Libs and Cindy Sheehan now say Obama is worse than Bush
McGarnagle
Just when you think it can't get any worse for Obama... it does!
Cindy Sheehan, the Peace Mom, the one who camped out in front of
Bush's ranch for years, now says Obama has done even worse and is
vowing, along with other top liberals, to do everything in their power
to make sure Obama is a one-term president!
Incredible, unprecedented and only after 500 days in office!
Still a liberal? Still support Obama? Read, weep and cry:
"If you were an Obama supporter, I get that, but it’s time to pull
your head out of the clouds and realize that you got fooled again."
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/where-have-all-peaceniks-gone
June 28th, 2010 5:35 PM
Where Have all the Peaceniks Gone?
By Cindy Sheehan
I believe it is human nature to want to be right (as in “correct” not
“conservative”). I like to be right. I also like to research my facts
because being wrong to me is embarrassing. The one time I would have
loved to be in error, though, was in a conviction that began over two
years ago. I was convinced that Barack Obama was not the
progressive-peace-savior that many of my friends and colleagues were
making him out to be.
But, I was right about that, and I think the facts have borne me out:
the Overseas Contingency Operation (formerly known as George’s War OF
Terror) has become even more of a quagmire under the new regime;
healthcare was not so much reformed or overhauled as it was a handout
to the health insurance companies; the oppressive police state is
increasing; no accountability for war criminals (few people will
prosecute themselves); torture continues; financial industry reform
looks like it is guaranteed for further rich v. poor conquest; and
this administration has proven to be as good a friend to Big Oil as
the last one.
To some of us, the problem is not so much that Obama has proven to be
a dismal failure — because we know that he has been a huge success to
the ruling class and corporations — but that partisan politics always
overshadows common sense and true peace. We lost a lot of time giving
Obama a “chance,” and thousands have lost their lives and their ways
of life.
I was outraged when, after three days in office, Obama authorized a
drone strike into Northern Pakistan that killed dozens of civilians,
but I was excoriated for being outraged. I was devastated when he
announced an increase in troops (3 times so far) to Afghanistan, and
attacked for not caring about Afghan women (the ones our Empire are
“protecting” by killing them and their children). I was laughed out of
town when I was infuriated that Obama had declared himself “Judge,
jury and executioner” of American citizens. People who formerly
supported me told me to “shut up and go away, you have had your 15
minutes of fame.”
I was deeply hurt and lonely when everyone from celebrities to my
friends in the peace-trenches abandoned me for someone who did not
even have a principled campaign platform. However, I could not abandon
my principles to support someone who did not conform to them.
Today, my friend, Rob Kall of OpEd News wrote a scathing article about
the financial aid “reform” bill after he spent significant time
researching it. Rob is someone that I debated with during the campaign
and to see him write that he will do everything in his power to make
sure that Obama is a “one-term president” was a very, dare I say,
“hopeful” sign to me. I knew Rob would come around because he is
insightful and compassionate.
It is very, very difficult to admit to making a mistake. I had to
admit to making one of the most personally tragic errors possible — I
failed my son and he is dead — killed by this Empire.
If you were an Obama supporter, I get that, but it’s time to pull your
head out of the clouds and realize that you got fooled again. It’s
hard to resist multi-million dollar marketing campaigns that give one
the urge to rush out to buy the “new and improved, lemony-minty fresh”
product, but it also usually doesn’t take one long to figure out it
was only the same old garbage in a new package.
The clock is ticking and until we all figure out that it’s “The
Empire, Stupid” (to borrow a ruling class phrase), nothing will change
for the better.
We are trying to build a movement that is resistant to changing winds
and that will stand strong on its principles to fight the tyrannical
violence of this Empire with all of our strength, energy, and
resources no matter who is in office.
I can also understand the urge to “have it both ways.” However, you
can’t be intellectually honest with yourself, or your own heart and
support the Democratic Party. It is simply too incongruous. The only
way to show that you are for peace and against racism, tyranny, and
the destruction of the environment, is to not bend to, or bend over
for, the War Party.
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Libs - they are all turning against their messiah.
The Nice Mean Man
> LOL
>
> Just when you think it can't get any worse for Obama... it does!
>
> Cindy Sheehan, the Peace Mom, the one who camped out in front of
> Bush's ranch for years, now says Obama has done even worse and is
> vowing, along with other top liberals, to do everything in their power
> to make sure Obama is a one-term president!
>
> Incredible, unprecedented and only after 500 days in office!
>
> Still a liberal? Still support Obama? Read, weep and cry:
>
> "If you were an Obama supporter, I get that, but it s time to pull
> your head out of the clouds and realize that you got fooled again."
>
But--But--But-- Obama MEANT well. And even if he ruins the country, at
least he isn't Bush..
McGarnagle
<shado...@shadowlane.com> wrote:
>In article <Xns9DA6E13...@216.196.97.142>,
> Nojoffa Subject <Nojof...@cageycable.com> wrote:
>
>> Libs - they are all turning against their messiah.
>
>
>Anytime you hear the current president and the word "messiah" mentioned
>in the same sentence, you are hearing from a right-wing partisan with an
>agenda. Every time, without exception.
Every time... EVERY FUCKING TIME TONY ELKA POSTS... without
exception.. you are hearing form a dumb fucking moron that can't
handle the truth.
He's keeps saying this and I'm going to keep posting this. The liberal
buttplug salesman can cry and deny all he wants, but it changes
nothing.
Read and fucking weep... YET AGAIN for smutboy:
"Barack has captured the youth. When the Messiah speaks, the youth
will hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking."
- Louis Farrakhan
"This guy was God before I was."
- Barack Obama
“This is bigger than Kennedy. . . . This is the New Testament.” -
Chris Matthews
“What Barack Obama has accomplished is the single most extraordinary
event that has occurred in the 232 years of the nation’s political
history. … The event itself is so extraordinary that another chapter
could be added to the Bible to chronicle its significance.”
- Jesse Jackson Jr.
"Obama is, of course, greater than Jesus."
-- Politiken (Danish newspaper)
"No one saw him coming, and Christians believe God comes at us from
strange angles and places we don't expect, like Jesus being born in a
manger."
--Lawrence Carter
"Many even see in Obama a messiah-like figure, a great soul, and some
affectionately call him Mahatma Obama."
-- Dinesh Sharma
"We just like to say his name. We are considering taking it as a
mantra."
-- Chicago] Sun-Times
"A Lightworker -- An Attuned Being with Powerful Luminosity and
High-Vibration Integrity who will actually help usher in a New Way of
Being"
-- Mark Morford
"This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our
planet began to heal."
-- Barack Obama
"Does it not feel as if some special hand is guiding Obama on his
journey, I mean, as he has said, the utter improbability of it all?"
-- Daily Kos
"He communicates God-like energy..."
-- Steve Davis (Charleston, SC)
"Not just an ordinary human being but indeed an Advanced Soul"
-- Commentator @ Chicago Sun Times
"I'll do whatever he says to do. I'll collect paper cups off the
ground to make his pathway clear."
-- Halle Berry
"A quantum leap in American consciousness"
-- Deepak Chopra
"He is not operating on the same plane as ordinary politicians. . . .
the agent of transformation in an age of revolution, as a figure
uniquely qualified to open the door to the 21st century."
-- Gary Hart
"Barack Obama is our collective representation of our purest hopes,
our highest visions and our deepest knowings . . . He's our product
out of the all-knowing quantum field of intelligence."
-- Eve Konstantine
"This is bigger than Kennedy. . . . This is the New Testament." | "I
felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often.
No, seriously. It's a dramatic event."
-- Chris Matthews
"[Obama is ] creative imagination which coupled with brilliance equals
wisdom . . . [He is] the man for this time."
-- Toni Morrison
"Obama's finest speeches do not excite. They do not inform. They don't
even really inspire. They elevate. . . . He is not the Word made
flesh, but the triumph of word over flesh . . . Obama is, at his best,
able to call us back to our highest selves."
-- Ezra Klein
"Obama has the capacity to summon heroic forces from the spiritual
depths of ordinary citizens and to unleash therefrom a symphonic
chorus of unique creative acts whose common purpose is to tame the
soul and alleviate the great challenges facing mankind."
-- Gerald Campbell
"We're here to evolve to a higher plane . . . he is an evolved leader
. . . [he] has an ear for eloquence and a Tongue dipped in the
Unvarnished Truth."
-- Oprah Winfrey
“I would characterize the Senate race as being a race where Obama was,
let’s say, blessed and highly favored. That’s not routine. There’s
something else going on. I think that Obama, his election to the
Senate, was divinely ordered. . . . I know that that was God’s plan."
-- Bill Rush
Buttplugboy - catch him today in AGA!
McGarnagle
<hither...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Jun 29, 9:37 pm, McGarnagle <mcgarna...@spammingsucks.com> wrote:
>> LOL
>>
>> Just when you think it can't get any worse for Obama... it does!
>>
SNIP
>>
>> Libs - they are all turning against their messiah.
>
>But--But--But-- Obama MEANT well. And even if he ruins the country, at
>least he isn't Bush..
Yeah, the "blame Bush" thing doesn't work for them anymore, does it?
Even before the oil leak disaster, Bush was in a dead heat with Obama.
That's incredible, considering Bush closed a 50 point gap in just
Obama's first year in office.
Obama is the best thing that ever happened to Bush's legacy. Look for
even Jimmy Carter to benefit as well -
April 14, 2010
Poll: Public Split On Whether They Would Prefer Obama Or George W.
Bush
In yet another sign of political polarization, a new national survey
from Public Policy Polling (D) finds that Americans are almost evenly
divided on whether they would want to stick with President Obama -- or
go back to George W. Bush.
The poll asked: "Would you rather have Barack Obama or George W. Bush
as President right now?" The answer was Obama 48%, Bush 46%, within
the ą3.9% margin of error. Consider what a close result this is,
compared to Bush's amazingly low ratings at the end of his
administration.
"George W. Bush's approval ratings were horrid his final few years in
office because even a decent number of Republicans and conservative
leaning independents were unhappy with him," writes PPP president Dean
Debnam. "Now those folks wish they could have him back over Obama."
------
"Things have gotten so bad for Obama, that even Jimmy Carter compared
him to Jimmy Carter." - Jay Leno
Me
>
> - Show quoted text -
You got that right. With liberal know-nothing America hating
progessive socialist scum, it's always the intentions that count.
NEVER the results. Fuck 'em.
Tony Elka
<1b95090a-0f1f-4e74...@s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
Me <BabaOh...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> You got that right. With liberal know-nothing America hating
> progessive socialist scum, it's always the intentions that count.
> NEVER the results. Fuck 'em.
Here's an equally valid paragraph:
You got that right. With conservative know-nothing America hating
corporate fascist scum, it's always the privatized profits that count.
NEVER the results as they effect the middle class. Fuck em.
Tony
Me
> In article
> <1b95090a-0f1f-4e74-b3b0-ce7ce8ae2...@s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Me <BabaOhRea...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> > You got that right. With liberal know-nothing America hating
> > progessive socialist scum, it's always the intentions that count.
> > NEVER the results. Fuck 'em.
>
> Here's an equally valid paragraph:
>
> You got that right. With conservative know-nothing America hating
> corporate fascist scum, it's always the privatized profits that count.
> NEVER the results as they effect the middle class. Fuck em.
>
> Tony
Yeah, but coming from your uneducated, simple mind, it doesn't mean
anything Tony. A monkey at the keyboard would make more sense than you
do.
Tony Elka
<3232967d-15e2-4c34...@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>,
Me <BabaOh...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yeah, but coming from your uneducated, simple mind, it doesn't mean
> anything Tony. A monkey at the keyboard would make more sense than you
> do.
You have called me uneducated and simple without proving it to be so.
FAIL.
You have claimed that a lower mammal typing at a keyboard would make
more sense than I do, without proving it to be so.
FAIL.
You have nothing but name calling on your side.
FAIL.
I accept your surrender.
Tony
Ngooffa Subject
Mooffa Subject
McGarnagle
wrote:
>On 2010-06-30 08:52:51 -0400, Me <BabaOh...@Yahoo.com> said:
>
>> You got that right. With liberal know-nothing America hating
>> progessive socialist scum, it's always the intentions that count.
>> NEVER the results. Fuck 'em.
>
> . . . then they sit, the libs out of work and suffer still
>supporting him happily and have to depend on the
>moderates/conservatives to sort things out while they suffer
>**gleefully!** out of work at home or on the street *supporting Obama*
>who is clueless for spurring the economy and putting together a climate
>for business to hire. The National Debt continues to raise, then, the
>Europeans almost threw-up when he told them the way out of the
>recession is more government spending recently when he was over there.
>Totally clueless.
No doubt. They're starting to look at Obama like he's a real dumbass
and it only took his first year.
>
>"I am broke. I have no real hope but I LOVE Obama!!!"
>
>LMAO!!! (not at the suffering but the brainlessness and shallow
>thinking of the Lib)
Yup, who can forget this memorable moment in lib history:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI
Noofa Subject
Tony Elka
Noofa Subject <Noof...@cagecable.com> wrote:
> No doubt. They're starting to look at Obama like he's a real dumbass
> and it only took his first year.
Do you think all the people that voted for President Obama in 2008 are
going to suddenly support a Republican candidate for that office in 2012?
If your answer is yes, you're living in fantasyland. Do you think
people wish McCain and Palin were in office? Do you really?
Tony
McGarnagle
<shado...@shadowlane.com> wrote:
>In article <Xns9DA7E38...@216.196.97.142>,
> Noofa Subject <Noof...@cagecable.com> wrote:
>
>> No doubt. They're starting to look at Obama like he's a real dumbass
>> and it only took his first year.
>
>
>
>Do you think all the people that voted for President Obama in 2008 are
>going to suddenly support a Republican candidate for that office in 2012?
Polls show just as many would vote for Bush as Obama.
...and that's before the bungled oil spill disaster.
...and independents decide elections, not lib chub boys like you.
...and polls show Obama has lost most of the independents.
>If your answer is yes, you're living in fantasyland.
If your answer is no, you're a dumbshit named Tony Elka.
How do you think different parties win from election to election?
Did you think all those same people that voted for Carter voted for
him again?
>Do you think
>people wish McCain and Palin were in office? Do you really?
Why not? Bush closed a 50 point gap in just one year of Obama and just
as many or more prefer him now.
>
>Tony
Yeah, we know. Who else could be so dumb.
You're really not good at this, are you?
Stick to the porn, kid.
Nffa Subject
You got that right. With liberal know-nothing America hating
progessive socialist scum, it's always the intentions that count.
NEVER the results. Fuck 'em.
. . . then they sit, the libs out of work and suffer still
supporting him happily and have to depend on the
moderates/conservatives to sort things out while they suffer
**gleefully!** out of work at home or on the street *supporting Obama*
who is clueless for spurring the economy and putting together a climate
for business to hire. The National Debt continues to raise, then, the
Europeans almost threw-up when he told them the way out of the
recession is more government spending recently when he was over there.
Totally clueless.
"I am broke. I have no real hope but I LOVE Obama!!!"
LMAO!!! (not at the suffering but the brainlessness and shallow
thinking of the Lib)
--
Tony Elka
Nffa Subject <Nff...@cagycable.com> wrote:
> On 2010-06-30 08:52:51 -0400, Me <BabaOh...@Yahoo.comsaid:
>
> You got that right. With liberal know-nothing America hating
> progessive socialist scum, it's always the intentions that count.
> NEVER the results. Fuck 'em.
More label spewing with no content. Just another snake milking it's own
venom.
Tony
The Nice Mean Man
>
> Just when you think it can't get any worse for Obama... it does!
>
> Cindy Sheehan, the Peace Mom, the one who camped out in front of
> Bush's ranch for years, now says Obama has done even worse and is
> vowing, along with other top liberals, to do everything in their power
> to make sure Obama is a one-term president!
>
> Incredible, unprecedented and only after 500 days in office!
>
> Still a liberal? Still support Obama? Read, weep and cry:
>
> "If you were an Obama supporter, I get that, but it s time to pull
> your head out of the clouds and realize that you got fooled again."
>
Sheehan is mentally imbalanced, in my opinion. It's outrageoushow
those evil lefties used her to prop up their lying agenda,,,, Utterly
shameless. They’ll turn her into a lesbian before it’s all over with.
She’ll forget that she ever had a child.
TNMM
The Nice Mean Man
>
> - Show quoted text -
Notice how they never talk about those... "results". LOL...!!!
Voice of Reason
>
> Cindy Sheehan, the Peace Mom, the one who camped out in front of
> Bush's ranch for years, now says Obama has done even worse and is
> vowing, along with other top liberals, to do everything in their power
> to make sure Obama is a one-term president!
>
I don't think President Obama needs their help in limiting his
presidency to one term. He seems to be making a lot of progress in
that regard all by himself.
I care about this country, so I wish him all the success in the world
in that respect. However, I do feel sorry for reasonable Democrats.
They voted for an unknown with a lot of favors to return as a means to
avoid what they considered a greater evil - any Republican candidate.
Now they must feel quite disillusioned and disappointed. But that
disillusionment and disappointment is nothing compared to what they
are going to feel for the eight to twelve years following the end of
President Obama's term. He may have outdone former President Carter in
terms of having perpetuating the notion that Democrats are
undisciplined fools who prove themselves incompetent when the nation
faces real problems.
My best advice for reasonable Democrats would be to go back to the
drawing board and look for candidates like the late John F. Kennedy.
At least Kennedy appreciated America's position in the world and
understood that a strong nation was one in which the people ask not
what their country can do for them but what they can do for their
country.
Tony Elka
<22eda3f5-aa62-438d...@k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Voice of Reason <locust.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My best advice for reasonable Democrats would be to go back to the
> drawing board and look for candidates like the late John F. Kennedy.
What's your advice for the Republicans? What can one say to a party
after 3 decades of coughing up hairball candidates like Ronald Reagan,
George Bush I/II and and John McCain?
Way to go, GOP. You damn near destroyed my beloved country.
Tony
Voice of Reason
> Voice of Reason <locust.of.cont...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > My best advice for reasonable Democrats would be to go back to the
> > drawing board and look for candidates like the late John F. Kennedy.
>
> What's your advice for the Republicans? What can one say to a party
> after 3 decades of coughing up hairball candidates like Ronald Reagan,
> George Bush I/II and and John McCain?
>
> Way to go, GOP. You damn near destroyed my beloved country.
>
> Tony
My best advice for the GOP would also be to go back to the drawing
board. They need to seek out candidates like former Senator Barry
Goldwater. Like Kennedy, he understood America's place in the world
and believed in personal and civic responsibility. The GOP needs to
rewind to the pre-Reagan era before the party got into bed with the
religious right.
I honestly find it inconceivable that both the Democrats and
Republicans do not realize at the highest levels that they have become
opposite sides of the same filthy coin in that they have both lost the
right to claim for one second that they stand for anything other than
screwing the American people. The two parties have literally reached
the level of becoming gross, feverish nightmares having strayed so far
from the dreams they once vowed to make realities. It's sad. But on
the bright side, at least I don't have to post on Usenet in defense of
losers and scumbags like Palin, Byrd, McCain, Obama, etc. Having
perspective and no party affiliation makes life as a political animal
far more pleasant.
Voice of Reason
> In article
> <22eda3f5-aa62-438d-83d4-02b43c9cf...@k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > My best advice for reasonable Democrats would be to go back to the
> > drawing board and look for candidates like the late John F. Kennedy.
>
> What's your advice for the Republicans? What can one say to a party
> after 3 decades of coughing up hairball candidates like Ronald Reagan,
> George Bush I/II and and John McCain?
>
> Way to go, GOP. You damn near destroyed my beloved country.
>
> Tony
Oh, and I forgot to mention that I would imagine Nixon, Reagan, Bush
the Elder, and the Rootin' Tootin' Baby Bush would gladly send "Thank
You' notes to Lyndon Johnson and Jimmy Carter for doing everything
within their power to set the stage for their rise to power. Capice?
You see, Tony, it's unfortunate that most people in this country are
ignorant and blindly led into believing that any of these crooks has
any interest in serving the American people. It's also unfortunate
that American politics is largely a reactionary, cyclical process.
This is why you will be crying your eyes out this November and then
again in 2012. As for me, I will be indifferent and merely sit back
and watch all of the Republicans on this newsgroup tell you to shut up
because you lost just like you enjoy telling them to shut up because
they lost in 2008.
Tony Elka
<56c2e113-81a8-4eec...@k39g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
Voice of Reason <locust.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> But on
> the bright side, at least I don't have to post on Usenet in defense of
> losers and scumbags like Palin, Byrd, McCain, Obama, etc. Having
> perspective and no party affiliation makes life as a political animal
> far more pleasant.
It also makes you the moral equivalent of Switzerland in the 1940's.
Neutral or just don't give a fuck?
Tony
Voice of Reason
> Voice of Reason <locust.of.cont...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > But on
> > the bright side, at least I don't have to post on Usenet in defense of
> > losers and scumbags like Palin, Byrd, McCain, Obama, etc. Having
> > perspective and no party affiliation makes life as a political animal
> > far more pleasant.
>
> It also makes you the moral equivalent of Switzerland in the 1940's.
>
> Neutral or just don't give a fuck?
>
> Tony
Unlike you, I have not been fooled into believing that I have to
choose sides and abandon my ideals in the process. An American does
not have to be a Republican or a Democrat in order to serve this great
nation; moreover, an American who refuses to make such a simplistic
choice will ultimately serve this nation far better than one who does
choose to become a partisan. It's funny how choosing sides leads a
person to look the other way here and there. The human mind has a
unique way of justifying the acceptance of vice. First a person
accepts what they know to be unsavory because they falsely believe
they should accept such things in order to achieve a greater good.
Eventually, they don't even cringe when accepting such things because
their political ideals have become warped and tainted by an irrational
hatred for 'the other' created by taking sides and hunkering down for
partisan battle when the true battle should only concern that which is
good for the nation and its people versus that which is not. Little
things like that get lost along the way, don't they?
I know lots of people who are dyed in the wool, both Democrats and
Republicans. When I hear them defend creeps and skirt issues because
they cannot bring themselves to admit the truth of the matter, I feel
sorry for them and often wonder if they are retarded in the sense that
they never developed the ability to know when they are being used as
mindless pawns. I've concluded that they are either retarded in that
sense or have become as corrupt as their false political idols.
Nothing else explains such irrational behavior.
Obviously, I do care about the future of our once great nation. If I
didn't, I would not take the time to remind you people that you seem
to be content to defend and worship whores, thieves, and charlatans.
Rest assured that I will not be one of the people who tells you to
shut up because you lose this November and in 2012. You will suffer
many great defeats for your party's hubris and lack of accomplishment.
That is certain. But I would never tell you to shut up if you want to
express your frustration because there is something very undemocratic
about doing so.
A neutral person would have no opinion on the incompetence and
criminality that exists in both parties. A neutral person would have
no objections to policies and actions as long as they could make a
dollar or be otherwise unaffected in a negative manner. Clearly, I
have many opinions and objections. That is why your Switzerland
analogy is a poor one.
Tony Elka
<a94c9803-68ca-46f1...@q16g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
Voice of Reason <locust.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Unlike you, I have not been fooled into believing that I have to
> choose sides and abandon my ideals in the process. An American does
> not have to be a Republican or a Democrat in order to serve this great
> nation; moreover, an American who refuses to make such a simplistic
> choice will ultimately serve this nation far better than one who does
> choose to become a partisan.
So how do you serve this nation exactly?
Tony
Noboffa Subject
Voice of Reason
> Voice of Reason <locust.of.cont...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Unlike you, I have not been fooled into believing that I have to
> > choose sides and abandon my ideals in the process. An American does
> > not have to be a Republican or a Democrat in order to serve this great
> > nation; moreover, an American who refuses to make such a simplistic
> > choice will ultimately serve this nation far better than one who does
> > choose to become a partisan.
>
> So how do you serve this nation exactly?
>
> Tony
I serve this nation in many ways. While I do vote in all elections, I
understand civic responsibility within a civil society means far more
than showing up at the voting booth on designated dates. I believe all
citizens have a right to their opinions and never tell them to shut up
when their candidates lose. I encourage people with other opinions to
share them since I appreciate the fact that the free exchange of ideas
is central to our form of government. I am gainfully employed and pay
my share of taxes which means I understand the concept of personal
responsibility and contribute to the nation's production and tax base.
As an individual, I try to be helpful to those in my community by
volunteering my time and donating my money to humanitarian causes that
I believe to be worthy. I also contribute my time and money to
environmental causes because I view our land and wildlife as a
valuable asset to the nation. I try to carry out my day to day
interactions with others in a cordial and respectable manner in order
to lead by example and act as a role model for the next generation.
How do you serve this nation? I have to assume your list begins with
getting on Usenet to tell Republicans to shut up because they lost.
That type of behavior runs contrary to the most basic notion of
political freedom.
Tony Elka
<9f03c7a9-8a75-4919...@k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Voice of Reason <locust.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How do you serve this nation? I have to assume your list begins with
> getting on Usenet to tell Republicans to shut up because they lost.
> That type of behavior runs contrary to the most basic notion of
> political freedom.
You are referring to that "YOU LOST GET OVER IT" slogan I posted here a
couple of times. That was nothing more than throwing their own words
back in their faces, after hearing it for eight long years of
Bush/Cheney.
Tony
Voice of Reason
> Voice of Reason <locust.of.cont...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > How do you serve this nation? I have to assume your list begins with
> > getting on Usenet to tell Republicans to shut up because they lost.
> > That type of behavior runs contrary to the most basic notion of
> > political freedom.
>
> You are referring to that "YOU LOST GET OVER IT" slogan I posted here a
> couple of times. That was nothing more than throwing their own words
> back in their faces, after hearing it for eight long years of
> Bush/Cheney.
>
> Tony
Yes, I believe I saw you write that a few times and thought it was
childish as though you were going along with the pack mentality that
exists here.
Another thing you seem to do frequently, as I pointed out a few times
in another thread, is refuse to answer questions even though you seem
to expect people to answer yours. I like polite conversation and am
always willing to agree to disagree, Tony. The thing is - you have to
fully participate in a conversation with me if you expect me to
continue to answer your questions.
So, you seem to have forgotten to answer my last question regarding
how you serve this nation.
Tony Elka
<cdac0d96-aa8d-433b...@j4g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Voice of Reason <locust.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 4:10 pm, Tony Elka <shadowl...@shadowlane.com> wrote:
> > You are referring to that "YOU LOST GET OVER IT" slogan I posted here a
> > couple of times. That was nothing more than throwing their own words
> > back in their faces, after hearing it for eight long years of
> > Bush/Cheney.
> >
> > Tony
>
> Yes, I believe I saw you write that a few times and thought it was
> childish as though you were going along with the pack mentality that
> exists here.
I get pissed off from time to time, and when called on it, generally
admit it wasn't the best way to act. You can count on zero fingers how
many "righties" in here do the same.
> Another thing you seem to do frequently, as I pointed out a few times
> in another thread, is refuse to answer questions even though you seem
> to expect people to answer yours. I like polite conversation and am
> always willing to agree to disagree, Tony. The thing is - you have to
> fully participate in a conversation with me if you expect me to
> continue to answer your questions.
>
> So, you seem to have forgotten to answer my last question regarding
> how you serve this nation.
Like you I vote. I stay informed. I actually create jobs and I pay my
taxes and license fees, and support the economy, locally and elsewhere
in the nation, by paying our bills to our suppliers, including printers,
manufacturers of everything from blank DVDs to packaging supplies. And
my business breaks no laws.
And we buy a lot of postage. The U.S.P.S. benefits hugely from my
industry.
Tony
Voice of Reason
> In article
> <cdac0d96-aa8d-433b-bee1-21d2ee79f...@j4g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
You are a business man and follow the rules. That is one of the
lifestyles afforded by this nation which continues to ensure its
prosperity. I'd like to see you do more in your personal life to give
back to the community. Do you like to walk dogs? You could volunteer
at the local SPCA.
I
Voice of Reason
> In article
> <cdac0d96-aa8d-433b-bee1-21d2ee79f...@j4g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> Voice of Reason <locust.of.cont...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 2, 4:10 pm, Tony Elka <shadowl...@shadowlane.com> wrote:
> > > You are referring to that "YOU LOST GET OVER IT" slogan I posted here a
> > > couple of times. That was nothing more than throwing their own words
> > > back in their faces, after hearing it for eight long years of
> > > Bush/Cheney.
>
> > > Tony
>
> > Yes, I believe I saw you write that a few times and thought it was
> > childish as though you were going along with the pack mentality that
> > exists here.
>
> I get pissed off from time to time, and when called on it, generally
> admit it wasn't the best way to act. You can count on zero fingers how
> many "righties" in here do the same.
>
You see, I don't buy into that whole defending bad behavior with other
people's bad behavior routine. You are a grown man and should be your
own man. I try to be my own person and treat people decently in
conversation when I am being serious.
I've got an idea. Every time you get mad, count to ten before you type
anything. Then you won't do things you regret.
Tony Elka
<9ace8b99-e7a8-4253...@u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com>,
Voice of Reason <locust.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've got an idea. Every time you get mad, count to ten before you type
> anything. Then you won't do things you regret.
I've got an idea about you too. But I'll count to ten and maybe not
type it...
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
Hmmm... maybe it works. Thanks!
Tony
Tony Elka
<c45e3e50-da64-46d1...@d37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Voice of Reason <locust.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You are a business man and follow the rules. That is one of the
> lifestyles afforded by this nation which continues to ensure its
> prosperity. I'd like to see you do more in your personal life to give
> back to the community. Do you like to walk dogs? You could volunteer
> at the local SPCA.
Oh I've taught adults to read and various other things you could call
good works I suppose. But here's one of the most important things I
left out. I actually manufacture a product within the USA and sell it,
domestically and internationally.
That puts me ahead of some billion dollar corporations when it comes to
doing good here.
Tony
Les Cargill
Bush/Cheney and Obama/Biden show a lot of common behavior, don't you
think? The office is bigger than the man.
--
Les Cargill