Were Yes the founding artists of heavy metal???????????????
Raja, The Great
have somewhat heavy (for a prog band of the early 70s) approach to
being artistic. Genesis and ELP were way too classical to be on this
list. Early Pink Floyd at least for their experimental jamming
abilities need to there as well.
From digitaldreamdoor.com
These are bands from the late 60s and early 70s, which were ranked for
their greatness, and more importantly, how much they influenced and
contributed to metal.
http://digitaldreamdoor.nutsie.com/pages/best_metal-art.html
1. Black Sabbath
2. Deep Purple
3. Led Zeppelin
4. Jimi Hendrix Experience
5. Alice Cooper
6. The Who
7. Aerosmith
8. Blue Cheer
9. Pink Floyd
10. The Doors
11. Grand Funk Railroad
12. The Kinks
13. Cream
14. Thin Lizzy
15. Steppenwolf
16. Ten Years After
17. UFO
18. Jethro Tull
19. MC5
20. Uriah Heep
21. King Crimson
22. The Yardbirds
23. Yes
24. Iron Butterfly
25. Velvet Underground
26. The Stooges
27. The Jeff Beck Group
28. Big Brother/Holding Company
29. Vanilla Fudge
30. The Move
DGDevin
"Raja, The Great" <zepf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I agree with the list.
Another day, another example of "Raja" masturbating over some meaningless
list.
Raja, The Great
Raja, The Great
It is rather good. And might the first real heavy metal album.
DGDevin
> quit it asshole. And mind your own business if not interested.
Quit cross-posting off-topic pollution, punk.
BTW, haven't you "plonked"me two or three times in the past few weeks?
Me
> Speaking of which have you guys heard The Jeff Group's "Truth" album.
> It is rather good. And might the first real heavy metal album.
You're just too stupid for words. You dumb fuck monkey boy. You know
nothing about music. You know nothing about anything. You're a
desperate loser, desperate for attention. All of this because your
mother ignored you, with good reason when you were just a little
marble-mouthed monkey boy.
On top of all of that you're a filthy little lying masturbator.
Fuck off jerk off.
Raja, The Great
> I agree with the list. Yes along with King Crimson and Jethro Tull did
> have somewhat heavy (for a prog band of the early 70s) approach to
> being artistic. Genesis and ELP were way too classical to be on this
> list. Early Pink Floyd at least for their experimental jamming
> abilities need to there as well.
>
> From digitaldreamdoor.com
> These are bands from the late 60s and early 70s, which were ranked for
> their greatness, and more importantly, how much they influenced and
Jeff
> have somewhat heavy (for a prog band of the early 70s) approach to
> being artistic. Genesis and ELP were way too classical to be on this
> list. Early Pink Floyd at least for their experimental jamming
> abilities need to there as well.
>
> From digitaldreamdoor.com
> These are bands from the late 60s and early 70s, which were ranked for
> their greatness, and more importantly, how much they influenced and
Same old list of groups.
DGDevin
> Speaking of which have you guys heard The Jeff Group's "Truth" album.
> It is rather good. And might the first real heavy metal album.
Most of us heard the album when it was first released; we saw no need to
slap a meaningless label on it then and see no such need now. Many of us
saw Beck live back then too, just as we'd seen him with the Yardbirds and
just as we saw him later. And you know what else, "Raja," with the
exception of you everybody here has a sex life that involves other people.
Char1ie
Yeah, it was quite good. I wonder what ever happened to his lead
singer on that album. If he has kept at it he might have made
something of himself.
Raja, The Great
Really? none of my posts have ever mentioned Big Brother And The
Holding Company and The Move before. Also The Stooges, Blue Cheer,
Iron Butterfly, UFO, Iron Butterfly are not bands I have heard much or
talk about.
Raja, The Great
> On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 10:11:48 -0800 (PST), "Raja, The Great"
>
> >Speaking of which have you guys heard The Jeff Group's "Truth" album.
> >It is rather good. And might the first real heavy metal album.
>
> Yeah, it was quite good. I wonder what ever happened to his lead
> singer on that album. If he has kept at it he might have made
> something of himself.
lol. yeah Rod Stewart. I never really liked his voice or his solo
career. But he was a good singer for Jeff Beck Group and The Faces.
Manco
proof enough.
Raja, The Great
> Sorry but Black Sabbath *are* the founder of heavy metal. War Pigs is
> proof enough.
yeah, and the original post disputed that?
viper
"Raja, The Great" <zepf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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The list must have been written by a pre-pubescent American. Uriah Heep
rated below the usual collection of fucking hamsters like Alice Cooper,
Aerosmith and GFR and no Budgie ? Don't know why these wankers persist. May
as well call these lists 'I know fuck all, but I'm having a crack anyway'
Viper
DGDevin
"viper" <vi...@rugby.com> wrote in message
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> The list must have been written by a pre-pubescent American. Uriah Heep
> rated below the usual collection of fucking hamsters like Alice Cooper,
> Aerosmith and GFR and no Budgie ? Don't know why these wankers persist.
> May as well call these lists 'I know fuck all, but I'm having a crack
> anyway'
>
> Viper
A wanker who knows nothing but persists in restating borrowed
opinions--that's not a bad description of "Raja".
Jason James
"Raja, The Great" <zepf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> have somewhat heavy (for a prog band of the early 70s) approach to
> being artistic. Genesis and ELP were way too classical to be on this
> list. Early Pink Floyd at least for their experimental jamming
> abilities need to there as well.
>
> From digitaldreamdoor.com
> These are bands from the late 60s and early 70s, which were ranked for
> their greatness, and more importantly, how much they influenced and
> contributed to metal.
> http://digitaldreamdoor.nutsie.com/pages/best_metal-art.html
>
While those educated in music at a university level, could give a technical
analysis of one group compared to the another, for most it is an aesthetic
experience, meaning, that which they enjoy the most, which can also include
other factors, such as group presentation. Sure some people may rate a group
higher based on the complexity of their performance, this doesn't usually
happen tho, around the discussion-table.
Jason
Char1ie
For the solo stuff, you had to be there. If he had died after his
first four albums he would have been remembered as on of the greatest
singers who ever lived.
keifspoon
Atomic Rooster's "Death Walks Behind You" came out the same year as
Sabbath's first. And a year later the for mentioned Budgie from Wales.
Though when I think of the founder fathers of Heavy Metal I still
think of this.....
DGDevin
"Char1ie" <j...@blow.com> wrote in message
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> For the solo stuff, you had to be there. If he had died after his
> first four albums he would have been remembered as on of the greatest
> singers who ever lived.
Rod was outstanding with the Faces and on those "solo" albums which were
really Faces albums with Rod's name on them (even Smiler was okay). But he
sure turned into a giant disco queen later on. I remember buying Atlantic
Crossing and wondering what the hell had happened to turn a rock n' roller
into a pop-tart. But Rod was probably laughing all the way to the bank.
RingoOno
> I agree with the list. Yes along with King Crimson and Jethro Tull did
> have somewhat heavy (for a prog band of the early 70s) approach to
> being artistic. Genesis and ELP were way too classical to be on this
> list. Early Pink Floyd at least for their experimental jamming
> abilities need to there as well.
>
> From digitaldreamdoor.com
> These are bands from the late 60s and early 70s, which were ranked for
> their greatness, and more importantly, how much they influenced and
Originator of Heavy Metal... Well Screaming Jay Hawkins comes to mind
but for the sake of it being British derived Arthur Brown concedes
this win.. He predated Sabbath first release by two years with "Fire"
Ian Gillan of Deep Purple says it was from Arthur he got the
inspiration for his falsetto style.He is recognized as an
inspirational force in music. Alice Cooper, Peter Gabriel, Kiss, and
Geoge Clinton of P-Funk have all acknowledged his influence. He is
regarded as the First Goth.
Here is Ozzy doin his track .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tap2_VtNCME&feature=related
And the original.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOErZuzZpS8&feature=fvw
bubba
> I agree with the list. Yes along with King Crimson and Jethro Tull did
> have somewhat heavy (for a prog band of the early 70s) approach to
> being artistic. Genesis and ELP were way too classical to be on this
> list. Early Pink Floyd at least for their experimental jamming
> abilities need to there as well.
>
> From digitaldreamdoor.com
> These are bands from the late 60s and early 70s, which were ranked for
> their greatness, and more importantly, how much they influenced and
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE KILL
YOURSELF!!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!
bubba
> Speaking of which have you guys heard The Jeff Group's "Truth" album.
> It is rather good. And might the first real heavy metal album.
Who the FUCK is "Jeff Group's"????????????
bubba
>
> >Speaking of which have you guys heard The Jeff Group's "Truth" album.
> >It is rather good. And might the first real heavy metal album.
>
> Yeah, it was quite good. I wonder what ever happened to his lead
> singer on that album. If he has kept at it he might have made
> something of himself.
please dont feed the monkeys
Raja, The Great
Arhtur Brown's Fire is a great song. The video is hilarious. Whatever
happened to Arthur Brown!
>
> Here is Ozzy doin his track ..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tap2_VtNCME&feature=related
Raja, The Great
Is it me or Arthur Brown looks and sounds like Frank Zappa?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOErZuzZpS8
>
> Here is Ozzy doin his track ..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tap2_VtNCME&feature=related
Raja, The Great
Another crazy mofo, just like Arthur Brown... Sreaming Jay Hawkwins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orNpH6iyokI
RingoOno
> Arhtur Brown's Fire is a great song. The video is hilarious. Whatever
> happened to Arthur Brown!
He's still kickin and performing... http://www.arthurbrownmusic.com/
Mr Bungle
progea
bubba
PLEASE DONT FEED THE MONKEYS
DGDevin
"Mr Bungle" <vl...@drac.com> wrote in message
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> Raja was the founding artist of vag lubing.
Unlikely, it's a safe bet that no vag was ever lubed as a result of anything
"Raja" did.
Mr Bungle
"DGDevin" <dgd...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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I meant his own vag.
stuth...@comcast.net
Bruford and even White would be confused, offended, or amused that
their drumming could ever be considered "heavy metal."
No self-respecting metal head would stand for Jon Anderson's wispy,
ethereal vocals in a metal band.
Steve Howe never played a Tony Iommi-style sludge chord.
Was this the stupidest thing you've ever posted? Nah, too much
competition.
Ray
Great list list boy. Ever heard of a band called steppenwolf? They
coined the term... that could be a clue.
You seem to have an aversion to clues, oh clueless one.
Ray
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It's you.
Stick to what you know, wanking.
Raja, The Great
wrote:
> No. Not in any shape, form or description.
>
> Bruford and even White would be confused, offended, or amused that
> their drumming could ever be considered "heavy metal."
lol, Bruford was quite heavy. Listen to Heart Of the Sunrise. White is
pretty much rock n roll. If Bill Ward played "heavy metal" (whateve
the fuck that means) drumming, then Bruford and White did as well.
>
> No self-respecting metal head would stand for Jon Anderson's wispy,
> ethereal vocals in a metal band.
You havent heard him on The Gates of Delerium have you? How is Robert
Plant heavy metal then. Geddy Lee... a slightly feminine voice does
not mean, you cannot be making loud and heavy music.
>
> Steve Howe never played a Tony Iommi-style sludge chord.
How about Machine Messiah?
Raja, The Great
Ever heard of eyeglasses? Steppenwolf is at 15th, you blind fuck.
Ray
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Still in your killfile I see.
Too easy, wayyyy too easy.
Ray
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Irony, you're doing it correctly.
DGDevin
"Ray" <6sicks...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Still in your killfile I see.
> Too easy, wayyyy too easy.
"Raja's" killfile is like his sex life--it's purely imaginary.
Ray
>
> certainly add a sheepish comment.
But you never have, therefore you cannot direct me to such an
occurrence.
Let me share something with you 'dude'... I've seen enough of what you
post not to give a shit about anything you, think say or do.
You are a gutless scold who won't stand by their own words. So why not
sit down and treat yourself to a nice serving of fuck off and die.
Ray
I'm still not sure what them being 15th on the list of founders of
heavy metal proves, I tend not to read those lists, but the fact
remains: I can recall no prior use of the term "heavy metal". And if
Born to be Wild doesn't fit the bill, I don't know what does from that
era. (1968 to be precise)
dahldude
>
>
>
> > I agree with the list. Yes along with King Crimson and Jethro Tull did
> > have somewhat heavy (for a prog band of the early 70s) approach to
> > being artistic. Genesis and ELP were way too classical to be on this
> > list. Early Pink Floyd at least for their experimental jamming
> > abilities need to there as well.
>
> > From digitaldreamdoor.com
> > These are bands from the late 60s and early 70s, which were ranked for
> > their greatness,
> > and more importantly,
> > how much they influenced and
> > contributed to metal.http://digitaldreamdoor.nutsie.com/pages/best_metal-art.html
So we have a list of bands that combines greatness, how much they
influenced, and finally, contributed to metal.
Hard to make a roster with hierarchy for three criteria.
Besides, is there a diff between metal and heavy metsl, rock and heavy
rock? There should be some clarity there.
The Move, The Kinks, and The Doors "metal"?!? Once again, so much for
these "lists".
Steppenwolf did presage Black Sabbath by two years - and had two
albums in 1968. There's got to be major "founding points" for that.
Else, why not just a list in no particular order of importance? I
think printing out all these names scattershot on a Kleenex would
serve the same purpose for our littering listerbaiter...
arnab.z@gmail
> I agree with the list. Yes along with King Crimson and Jethro Tull did
> have somewhat heavy (for a prog band of the early 70s) approach to
> being artistic. Genesis and ELP were way too classical to be on this
> list. Early Pink Floyd at least for their experimental jamming
> abilities need to there as well.
>
> From digitaldreamdoor.com
> These are bands from the late 60s and early 70s, which were ranked for
> their greatness, and more importantly, how much they influenced and
> contributed to metal.http://digitaldreamdoor.nutsie.com/pages/best_metal-art.html
>
BlackMonk
Any list that puts The Doors, Pink Floyd, Aerosmith and The Who in the top
ten when The Jeff Beck Group-who pretty much invented Led Zepplin's early
sound for them-doesn't make the top 20 and Free doesn't make the list at all
is compiled by by someone who knows even less about Heavy Metal than I do.
I'd complain about Patto not making the list, too, but I suspect few would
know who I'm talking about.
Oh, and to answer the question in the subject: No.
DGDevin
"Ray" <6SickS...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'm still not sure what them being 15th on the list of founders of heavy
> metal proves,
Nothing of course. Writers for music magazines and websites crank out this
garbage endlessly because it's an easy way to fill up the spaces between the
advertisements, but it doesn't mean anything. It's also a way to get their
readership stirred up, all the fanbois will react in outrage if their fave
band isn't listed high enough and they'll buy the next five issues in hopes
of seeing their e-mail to the editor published.
> I tend not to read those lists, but the fact remains: I can recall no
> prior use of the term "heavy metal". And if Born to be Wild doesn't fit
> the bill, I don't know what does from that era. (1968 to be precise)
People who don't understand something substitute labeling and categorizing
for insight. A beautiful example of where this leads is Jethro Tull winning
a 1989 Grammy for best hard rock/metal recording, beating out Metallica.
Sure as hell some silly little twit like "Raja" was responsible for putting
JT into that category. What an absurd process--this album has mandolin on
it so they must be folk-rock artists, but this album has synthesizers so now
they're a prog band, but now there's lots of overdriven guitars so they must
have switched to heavy metal.... At some point you have to wonder if these
morons obsessed with labelling music ever bother to listen to it.
Raja, The Great
> On Mar 8, 9:58 am, Ray <6sickstri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 6, 12:40 pm, "Raja, The Great" <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I agree with the list. Yes along with King Crimson and Jethro Tull did
> > > have somewhat heavy (for a prog band of the early 70s) approach to
> > > being artistic. Genesis and ELP were way too classical to be on this
> > > list. Early Pink Floyd at least for their experimental jamming
> > > abilities need to there as well.
>
> > > From digitaldreamdoor.com
> > > These are bands from the late 60s and early 70s, which were ranked for
> > > their greatness,
> > > and more importantly,
> > > how much they influenced and
> > > contributed to metal.http://digitaldreamdoor.nutsie.com/pages/best_metal-art.html
>
> So we have a list of bands that combines greatness, how much they
> influenced, and finally, contributed to metal.
>
> Hard to make a roster with hierarchy for three criteria.
>
> Besides, is there a diff between metal and heavy metsl, rock and heavy
> rock? There should be some clarity there.
>
> The Move, The Kinks, and The Doors "metal"?!? Once again, so much for
> these "lists".
I think you miss the point. The list says founders of metal. Not
metal. An artists could be making music which inspired a latter
genre... For example I can safely say Joy Division are founders of
goth, but they are not goth themselves.
Ray
> "Ray" <6SickStri...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I have a cousin (who I have not seen in 10 years and I'm OK with that,
nevertheless) who was obsessed with audio equipment. He spent a
fortune on Denon, ADS, Crown, you name it. But he got to the point
where he would only would ever listen to Mobile Fidelity LPs because
of their superior audio quality. (this was back in the vinyl days). To
be fair, they did sound better than the recycled vinyl shit that we
were getting retail. (Anyone remember the great ELO Out of the Blue
debacle? Thousands of double LP sets returned because they were SHIT)
But I don't care how good the quality of the signal is, if all you're
listening to is Flim and the BBs and Trans Siberian Orchestra... yer
fucked. Music is a 'lifestyle accessory" for some people. It reassures
them that they are discerning consumers of entertainment products. But
I wonder what s
Jason James
"DGDevin" <dgd...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
The only Tull song that *I remember* which could be called heavy,..was
"Teacher". Nice intro riff.
Jason
Jeff
I remember buying about 8 Harrison All things must pass albums
over 20 years ago, and everyone of the LP's had music on it
that sounded warped, with the music also being slowed down
and sped up. I finally gave up.
Ray
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wtf? I hit cancel... that's it... I'm getting a real newsreader. jesus
k-rist.
DGDevin
> I have a cousin (who I have not seen in 10 years and I'm OK with that,
> nevertheless) who was obsessed with audio equipment. He spent a
> fortune on Denon, ADS, Crown, you name it. But he got to the point
> where he would only would ever listen to Mobile Fidelity LPs because
> of their superior audio quality. (this was back in the vinyl days).
I was into that scene for years--Oracle, Apt, PS Audio, Stax, Ohm and so on.
It seemed like some people were way more into the hardware than the music.
I eventually reformed when I realized my stereo was worth more than my car.
I still have some of that gear in storage, I should get it tuned-up and back
into service, it would easily blow away the audio gear most people have
heard these days.
> To
> be fair, they did sound better than the recycled vinyl shit that we
> were getting retail. (Anyone remember the great ELO Out of the Blue
> debacle? Thousands of double LP sets returned because they were SHIT)
Re-grind vinyl was horrible, full of snaps and pops right out of the
wrapper. Some audiophile friends of mine put together a hi-fi club back
then, we had a private library of hi-end vinyl--direct-disc, half-speed
mastered--that sort of stuff. Later we got into CDs when those appeared. I
volunteered to be the librarian so at any given moment most of the
collection was at my place, that worked out quite well.
> But I don't care how good the quality of the signal is, if all you're
> listening to is Flim and the BBs and Trans Siberian Orchestra... yer
> fucked. Music is a 'lifestyle accessory" for some people. It reassures
> them that they are discerning consumers of entertainment products. But
> I wonder what s
I see people at concerts screaming into their cell phones as the music
plays, I have to wonder why they bothered to pay for tickets if they have no
interest in hearing the music. As you say, a lifestyle accessory, no real
passion required.
Manony Festation
RichL
> I think you miss the point. The list says founders of metal. Not
> metal. An artists could be making music which inspired a latter
> genre... For example I can safely say Joy Division are founders of
> goth, but they are not goth themselves.
I get your point, but you're using the wrong word. "Inspirers", maybe.
"Founders" implies that they were the first in a genre and therefore
*belong* to it.
FWIW, from the Joy Division wiki:
"The band's dark and gloomy sound, which Martin Hannett described in 1979 as
"dancing music with Gothic overtones", presaged the gothic rock genre."
So yeah, "presaged" works too. Not founded. 'Presaged' = came before,
among other things.
Raja, The Great
RichL
> On Mar 9, 4:04 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> who ever went through a Joy Division or Ian Curtis phase.
>
> I usually don't like films about musicians because it's never as good
> as the archival footage, but this came very close to hitting the spot.
I'm not a huge fan but someone who was near and dear to my heart was. I'd
probably want to see it for sentimental reasons. I'll check it out, thanks
for the tip.
Ray
> "Ray" <6sickstri...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I have to confess to the fact that I probably have spent wayyy too
much on audio reproduction over the years, from my first Wollensack
reel to reel to the home theater that nearly got me evicted from my
apartment in Harrisburg. (does anyone really need a self powered 600
watt subwoofer? Probably not, but it makes the beginning of Apollo 13
a genuinly visceral experience).
Having said that, I've invested WAY more in going to concerts and
buying LPs, Cassettes, 8-Tracks, Quadrophonic LPs, CDs and now MP3s
from the iTunes. If I could get half that money back I would be able
to afford that '62 strat I saw a few weeks ago in Vintage Guitar.
DGDevin
"Raja, The Great" <zepf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> The Move, The Kinks, and The Doors "metal"?!? Once again, so much for
>> these "lists".
> I think you miss the point.
There is no point to miss.
> The list says founders of metal. Not
> metal. An artists could be making music which inspired a latter
> genre... For example I can safely say Joy Division are founders of
> goth, but they are not goth themselves.
You cannot safely say Band A founded a genre of music they did not play (and
which did not even exist at the time), at best you can claim later bands
took elements of Band A's music and incorporated them in a new style. This
is just your usual dance of worship for those bands you're obsessed with, if
you thought you could get away with it you'd claim Yes invented punk, fusion
and probably disco too.
Raja, The Great
> "Raja, The Great" <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:3311ae81-df95-4d85...@c16g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
Yes didnt invent anything. No one copied Yes. Yes' music was way too
complicated to emulate. The Who on the other hand made amateur shit
which talent free bands like Journey could play ;-)
Raja, The Great
> "Raja, The Great" <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > The Who on the other hand made amateur shit
> > which talent free bands like Journey could play ;-)
>
This is between and me DGMoron. Why are you butting in between :)
Don't be a spoil sport.
keifspoon
>This is just your usual dance of worship for those bands you're
obsessed with, if
> you thought you could get away with it you'd claim Yes invented punk, fusion
> and probably disco too.
Don't forget, listening to Yes can also cure Cancer! LOL
Raja, The Great
Yes.
DGDevin
"keifspoon" <jim...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >This is just your usual dance of worship for those bands you're
>>obsessed with, if
>> you thought you could get away with it you'd claim Yes invented punk,
>> fusion
>> and probably disco too.
> Don't forget, listening to Yes can also cure Cancer! LOL
But obviously it can't cure stupid or "Raja" wouldn't be the slack-jawed
imbecile he is.
DGDevin
>> You cannot safely say Band A founded a genre of music they did not play
>> (and
>> which did not even exist at the time), at best you can claim later bands
>> took elements of Band A's music and incorporated them in a new style.
>> This
>> is just your usual dance of worship for those bands you're obsessed with,
>> if
>> you thought you could get away with it you'd claim Yes invented punk,
>> fusion
>> and probably disco too.
> Yes didnt invent anything. No one copied Yes. Yes' music was way too
> complicated to emulate. The Who on the other hand made amateur shit
> which talent free bands like Journey could play ;-)
Gee, let's think about this.
On the one hand we have an overwhelming majority of music critics and music
historians and successful musicians who agree that The Who are one of the
most innovative, influential and admired bands in the history of rock music.
And on the other hand we have a musical tourist who borrows his shallow
opinions from fanboi websites and endlessly makes meaningless lists of his
fave bands always with Led Zep at the top in every category, and he says The
Who made amateur shit.
Hmmmm, who to believe, who to believe...?
Raja, The Great
> "Raja, The Great" <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:293fe0c4-1b0a-40d2...@u9g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
Get back to me, when Townshend learns how to play the guitar instead
of breaking it. Its not the guitar's fault that he cannot play it...
lol
Raja, The Great
> "Raja, The Great" <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:293fe0c4-1b0a-40d2...@u9g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
How is it all the talented members of The Who are dead? Unfair... God
can be cruel.
TheWalrusWasDanny
> Don't forget, listening to Yes can also cure Cancer! LOL
The genius of YES was how bloody well they played..they were really
*tight* complex songs without flaw..sure there was studio stuff going
on but they were very clever at crafting the material so it just
flowed beautifully together..Going for the One is a brilliant LP..I
always liked Tormato as well...it's very innovative stuff that is so
well mastered..each musician was brilliant at their genre...sometimes
it's a bit bull and doring (tales from Toppy) but when they get
melodic and complex they were genius..I think the same of Rush..and
Hemispheres as well...really complicated songs that somehow flow
together with melody.
Both bands though are dippers in. In other words I can only hear one
LP at a sitting!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VZl_z_mgZw
Danny
DGDevin
> Get back to me, when Townshend learns how to play the guitar instead
> of breaking it. Its not the guitar's fault that he cannot play it...
> lol
According to you he doesn't need a guitar since he has whole albums where he
doesn't play one, remember dummy?
DGDevin
> How is it all the talented members of The Who are dead? Unfair... God
> can be cruel.
Indeed, your parents can testify to that.
Raja, The Great
> "Raja, The Great" <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:a9731be3-c7f8-4a46...@q16g2000yqq.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Get back to me, when Townshend learns how to play the guitar instead
> > of breaking it. Its not the guitar's fault that he cannot play it...
> > lol
>
> According to you he doesn't need a guitar since he has whole albums where he
> doesn't play one, remember dummy?
Do you realize that I like the Who very much and the only thing I keep
bashing them, is because of pricks like you? If you learn to respect
other bands and also recognize the fact that others might like some
other bands more than The Who, you could be saving yourself a lot of
misery. But your downright shitty attitude towards rock fans of other
bands and other bands in general will never let you acknowledge the
fact that there were many great bands in the 60s and 70s and The Who
were just one of them. But anyway, you can continue to be like this...
haha.
Raja, The Great
wrote:
> > Don't forget, listening to Yes can also cure Cancer! LOL
>
> The genius of YES was how bloody well they played..they were really
> *tight* complex songs without flaw..sure there was studio stuff going
> on but they were very clever at crafting the material so it just
> flowed beautifully together..Going for the One is a brilliant LP..I
> always liked Tormato as well...it's very innovative stuff that is so
> well mastered..each musician was brilliant at their genre...sometimes
> it's a bit bull and doring (tales from Toppy) but when they get
> melodic and complex they were genius..I think the same of Rush..and
> Hemispheres as well...really complicated songs that somehow flow
> together with melody.
I like Rush very much but the difference between Yes and Rush was
however that Rush was always an inspired band (inspired of bands like
Who, Zeppelin, Yes, Cream etc). Yes had moved into unknown and
uncharted territory with albums like Close To The Edge. No one was
doing the shit Yes were doing during their prime.
DGDevin
"Raja, The Fraud" <zepf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e7d2a48e-457b-4529...@g7g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>Do you realize that I like the Who very much and the only thing I keep
> bashing them, is because of pricks like you?
Yes, man-boy, we realize that, it's one of the many pathetic character flaws
you exhibit. Do you seriously believe I give a crap what an ignorant,
emotionally-immature clown like you thinks about *any* band? These bands
you worship from a great distance are old friends to many of us here--we
bought their LPs when they were first released, we saw them live at the
height of their powers, in some cases we've met members of those bands. So
why should we care about playground insults from a silly little twerp like
you who only discovered rock music a few years ago and only recently saw a
few concerts by retread bands that had their moment in the sun three or four
decades ago? Your opinions are *worthless* "Raja"--you weren't there, you
don't understand, you don't know what you're talking about. And you
childish attempts to lash out by spitting insults at bands you think we like
shows you for the giant infant you are--you might as well insult the brands
of cars we drive.
> If you learn to respect
> other bands and also recognize the fact that others might like some
> other bands more than The Who, you could be saving yourself a lot of
> misery.
The only misery here is your daily butt-kicking from people who have
forgotten more about rock than you'll ever know.
> But your downright shitty attitude towards rock fans of other
> bands
You're not a fan, you're a fanboi, and there is a huge difference. I enjoy
talking music with people who know more about some aspect of it than I do,
that's how we learn. You, on the other hand, try to deliver lectures
despite being the most ignorant person on Usenet when it comes to music.
You're a child on his first day of school trying to tell the teachers how
the world works, and you look like a fool every time you do it.
> and other bands in general will never let you acknowledge the
> fact that there were many great bands in the 60s and 70s and The Who
> were just one of them.
I saw those many great bands live long before your parents made the
regrettable decision to bring you into the world. I didn't have to read
about them on fanboi websites twenty or thirty years after they did their
best work, and thus I don't have your convert's obsessive need to worship
them.
> But anyway, you can continue to be like this...
> haha.
You mean with my foot on the back of your neck as you're face-down in the
mud? Okay, no problem fanboi, ha ha.
Raja, The Great
>
> you exhibit. Do you seriously believe I give a crap what an ignorant,
> emotionally-immature clown like you thinks about *any* band?
respected bands like Led Zeppelin and Yes?
DGDevin
"Raja, The Great" <zepf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:30afbdb0-ef07-43c7...@e7g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>> you exhibit. Do you seriously believe I give a crap what an ignorant,
>> emotionally-immature clown like you thinks about *any* band?
> Is that why keep responding? Is that why keep flinging your feces at
> respected bands like Led Zeppelin and Yes?
And we're back to the fanboi crying bitter tears that people don't bow down
and blindly worship his fave bands. Once again, dummy, I was listening to
and enjoying those bands long before you filled your first diaper (well
actually it seems you're still filling diapers)--so your customary
dishonesty won't work. Laughing at your clumsy ignorance does not equate to
disliking bands you approve of, sorry about that sonny.
Grow up "Raja"--or your parents will *never* be able to arrange a marriage
for you.
Ray
Go die.
Ray
>
> - Show quoted text -
Nothing quite as cruel as seeing once great bands reduced to playing
bars with bad hired hands in key positions as yes has, or just sitting
on their asses in their mansions and producing utter crap when the do
condescend to play a note like Led Zep.
Raja, The Great
Led Zep had class which the Who never had. They disbanded when their
dear friend died, the Who made money out of Keith Moon's death.
PATHETIC!
Ray
>
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How many lawsuits have the who settled out of court? How many assuault
and rape charges against the who vs. Led Zep? I don't remember any
stories of Pete Townsend shoving a fish and a beer bottle up teh twat
of some drugged up groupie. Let alone make a movie of it. Yeah, LZ
were real class.
Ray
DGDevin
>> > How is it all the talented members of The Who are dead? Unfair... God
>> > can be cruel.- Hide quoted text -
>> Nothing quite as cruel as seeing once great bands reduced to playing
>> bars with bad hired hands in key positions as yes has, or just sitting
>> on their asses in their mansions and producing utter crap when the do
>> condescend to play a note like Led Zep.
> Led Zep had class which the Who never had. They disbanded when their
> dear friend died, the Who made money out of Keith Moon's death.
> PATHETIC!
They disbanded in large part because Jimmy Page was busy being a heroin
addict and Robert Plant was sick of singing "STH". But later (when it was
time to cash in some more) they toured as Page and Plant but their show was
actually mostly Led Zep music because they knew their audience wasn't really
there to hear their solo material. And they had so much class that when
they were asked where John Paul Jones was Plant made snotty jokes about
Jones being outside parking cars. Yeah, some real class there.
And then "Raja" makes his usual little pissy noises about The Who because
those big bad Who fans are always beating up on him, poor thing.
Me
Wasn't Yes responsible for the be-bop movement in jazz before Bird and
Dizz came along?
Ray
They invented jazz in a secret time machine journey to New Orleans at
the end of the 18th century. That's what I heard.
Me
>
> - Show quoted text -
They also taught guys like Carl Perkins and Scotty Moore everything
that they know.
Yes was a blues band as well. Robert Johnson didn't sign a pact with
the devil. He signed it with Yes and they taught him the blues.
Raja, The Great
> "Raja, The Great" <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:d222fa17-769c-40a5...@o30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > How is it all the talented members of The Who are dead? Unfair... God
> >> > can be cruel.- Hide quoted text -
> >> Nothing quite as cruel as seeing once great bands reduced to playing
> >> bars with bad hired hands in key positions as yes has, or just sitting
> >> on their asses in their mansions and producing utter crap when the do
> >> condescend to play a note like Led Zep.
> > Led Zep had class which the Who never had. They disbanded when their
> > dear friend died, the Who made money out of Keith Moon's death.
> > PATHETIC!
>
> They disbanded in large part because Jimmy Page was busy being a heroin
> addict and Robert Plant was sick of singing "STH".
Raja, The Great
DGDevin
> I remember townshend getting arrested for pedophilia
Really? Can you provide links to document that? He voluntarily went in to
talk to the cops about the online porn site he had visited, but I don't
recall him ever being "arrested for pedophilia"--so where do you remember
that from? Or is this another example of your fanboi obsession with
defending Led Zep by attacking other bands even if you have to make up shit?
BTW, did you know a groupie Jimmy Page kept locked in his hotel room (with a
roadie at the door to keep her from leaving) was underage at the time? Lori
Maddox was only 14 when Page had LZ's road manager (that infamous pig
Richard Cole) "kidnap" her (that's Maddox's description) and bring her to
Page's hotel room which she was not allowed to leave for days. The poor
child decided Page was her man and she stuck with him for over a year until
he dumped her for another groupie--Maddox shouldn't have been surprised
since she was the replacement for an earlier groupie Page had kicked aside.
But all this talk about groupies and sex is probably making you
uncomfortable, that's just not something you're familiar with, is it,
"Raja".
DGDevin
>> They disbanded in large part because Jimmy Page was busy being a heroin
>> addict and Robert Plant was sick of singing "STH".
> Absolutely disgaceful lie
Oh, is it.
*****
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Page
By Led Zeppelin's 1977 tour of the United States, Page's heroin addiction
was beginning to hamper his guitar playing performances.[1][50][72] By this
time the guitarist had lost a noticeable amount of weight. His onstage
appearance was not the only obvious change: his addiction caused Page to
become so inward and isolated it altered the dynamic between him and Plant
considerably.[82] During the recording sessions for In Through the Out Door
in 1978, Page's diminished influence on the album (relative to bassist John
Paul Jones) is partly attributed to his ongoing heroin addiction, which
resulted in his absence from the studio for long periods of time.[83]
Page reportedly kicked his heroin habit in the early 1980s.[84
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stairway_to_Heaven
By 1975, the song had a regular place as the finale of every Led Zeppelin
concert. However, after their concert tour of the United States in 1977,
Plant began to tire of "Stairway to Heaven": "There's only so many times you
can sing it and mean it ... It just became sanctimonious."[19]
*****
Shouldn't a hopeless fanboi who bursts into tears if anyone criticizes Led
Zep at least know the band's history?
Me
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> - Show quoted text -
When did that ever happen Raja?
Fuck off you fool.