Jazz Perspectives On The Beatles
Jeff
cuppajoe2go
> http://www.jazz.com/dozens/beatles-covers-leskovic
Informative and interesting article. I am especially familiar with
the Buddy Rich Big Band's version of Norwegian Wood, being a stick man
myself. It always sends shivers down my spine. I'd like to pursue
the others listed here.
King Size Johnson
> I am especially familiar with the Buddy Rich Big Band's version of Norwegian Wood,
> being a stick man myself.
I prefer automatics.
The Arranger
I love jazz and I love the Beatles...in fact, they are my two great
musical loves. But it's like loving apple pie and lobster. Separate
plates, please.
M C hammered
> http://www.jazz.com/dozens/beatles-covers-leskovic
What is jazz people?? Well, many a you may or may not a knowe'd it,
but I, Mista Freakin Charlie, am a jazz musiciam. Now jazz, many dont
erlate to it. Its not "hip' like the Beatles or Yoke...its not
"fashnible'. Its a difficult an challengin music, invetere'd by black
peoples to express the pain of slavery. So-now, you prolly wanna go
on the ole Youtube ta wash Charlie playerin jazz. Well I took it
down, (I think), in onna of Johns dumbise. BUTT, I am still here, to
tell and infoam and COTTON PICKIN TEECH this new msical life form,
jazz.
Just say the word people. Jazz. Jaaaazzzz. Mmm.
An what jazz means, or what it is is, is.. Well, its everything. Its
every cotton pickin thing you could ever hope for. Jazz, people,
jazz..
Annit, what it rilly MEANS is, playin allda note's.
Just in jazz, there is no rules. Ya just play all the note's.
Few can do it like Mista C, specialy few white men!! LOL :-)! But I
can do it.
Jazz, people, jazz.
who?
With music, they go to the same brain. With food
it goes down the same stomach.
MC Hammered
I Mista C feel as if the Yoke blendered jazz an Beatles quite
perficintly. Just lissen to her recodes people,..,.jazz, beatlrs,
jazz, new wabe, dickso, punk, jass....
The fact is, people, this woman can play or invent anything.
Nuff said
Nuff cotton pickerin sed
stuth...@comcast.net
>
> > http://www.jazz.com/dozens/beatles-covers-leskovic
>
> Informative and interesting article. I am especially familiar with
> the Buddy Rich Big Band's version of Norwegian Wood, being a stick man
> myself. It always sends shivers down my spine.
"Hello, Mrs. Rich. May I speak to Buddy, please?"
"I'm sorry, Buddy recently passed away."
Next day:
"May I speak to Buddy?"
"No, Buddy's dead."
Next day:
"Can I speak to Buddy?"
"Look, I told you before, BUDDY'S DEAD!"
"I know. I just like hearing it."
King Size Johnson
brilton
Anyone elde (apart from The Arranger) ever heard the "Buddy Rich
bitching" tape?
King Size Johnson
Oh yeah. I can't believe someone didn't haul off and bust his face
open.
I played it for a few friends recently, who figured he was just a guy
who demanded professionalism from his musicians. They walked away with
a decidedly changed opinion of the man, regardless of his obvious
talent.
brilton
I made a copy once for a friend who was very intigued by Buddy's use of
the word "CLAMS!!?!".
From listening to the tape, it sounds like his band were an
ill-disciplined, beardy bunch. Maybe he had Elephant's Memory on tour
with him?
King Size Johnson
> I made a copy once for a friend who was very intigued by Buddy's use of
> the word "CLAMS!!?!".
LOL! I've heard some tirades from musical directors and "stars" in my
time, but never have I heard anyone refer to bad notes as "clams". I
liked the "There's no sound in flutes!" part, too.
> From listening to the tape, it sounds like his band were an
> ill-disciplined, beardy bunch. Maybe he had Elephant's Memory on tour
> with him?
Damn hippie kids. Didn't they know how great he was?!
brilton
> On Jan 25, 9:09 pm, brilton<notl...@yacht.net> wrote:
>> I made a copy once for a friend who was very intigued by Buddy's use of
>> the word "CLAMS!!?!".
>
> LOL! I've heard some tirades from musical directors and "stars" in my
> time, but never have I heard anyone refer to bad notes as "clams". I
> liked the "There's no sound in flutes!" part, too.
The person who originally gave me the tape explained to me before I
listened to it what "clams" were.so at least I knew.
RichL
news:4b5fe66c-e2d0-40c7...@v17g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 25, 9:09 pm, brilton <notl...@yacht.net> wrote:
>> I made a copy once for a friend who was very intigued by Buddy's use of
>> the word "CLAMS!!?!".
>
> LOL! I've heard some tirades from musical directors and "stars" in my
> time, but never have I heard anyone refer to bad notes as "clams". I
> liked the "There's no sound in flutes!" part, too.
Hmmm, I had an uncle who was a jazz pianist. He used the term a lot.
Nil
rec.music.beatles:
> Anyone elde (apart from The Arranger) ever heard the "Buddy Rich
> bitching" tape?
Of course! They're infamous. Check 'em out:
King Size Johnson
> "King Size Johnson" <bellyfl...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:4b5fe66c-e2d0-40c7...@v17g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Jan 25, 9:09 pm, brilton <notl...@yacht.net> wrote:
> >> I made a copy once for a friend who was very intigued by Buddy's use of
> >> the word "CLAMS!!?!".
>
> > LOL! I've heard some tirades from musical directors and "stars" in my
> > time, but never have I heard anyone refer to bad notes as "clams". I
> > liked the "There's no sound in flutes!" part, too.
>
> Hmmm, I had an uncle who was a jazz pianist. He used the term a lot.
Maybe it was more prevalent in days passed. I'm still in my 40s.
Lord Valve
You're a stupid fuck, and certainly a no-blower yourself.
I ran sound for Buddy in 1974 (or thereabouts) at
a joint near Quantico, VA, and I got royally reamed
for having the saxes too loud. Once I got the balance
right, he was totally cool and all smiles. All Buddy
ever wanted was the same thing he himself delivered
without fail: absolute perfection. No-blowers (got a
mirror?) don't get it at all, and that's why they are what
they are. <shrug>
From the site with the bus tapes:
"I recently received an email from a trumpet player in Buddy's band. Read what
he had to say about Buddy.
Emmett,
Hi, I have been looking at your site and I wanted you to know that Buddy Rich
wasn't at all the way you have him portrayed, as a "prick". I played trumpet
and stood next to him every night for almost three years from 1975-1977. We had
a great band that loved and respected him and he was 95% a sweetheart the whole
time. The only time I saw him as he sounds on the tapes is when he had a bad
back, or a band full of young guys who couldn't play well but thought they
could, who showed disrespect towards him and thought they were too good to be
there. I went back later for a few weeks and the band was like that. He and I
were both miserable. Steve Marcus and Buddy and I sat together on the bus one
night and he asked what he could do to get the band back to a high level. He
was frustrated that yelling didn't help. It only made the lousy players band
together and feel persecuted while continuing to suck.
I know that tape sounds funny to most people, but to the people who knew him to
be unbelievably generous, (I could tell you stories) funny, loving and a whole
different kind of drummer than any other on Earth, that tape hurts because we
hear his pain and confusion as to how guys can suck and not know it.
I'm sure you appreciate his playing or you wouldn't have bothered to design
such a great site! (I'm from Buffalo originally. Are you in Rochester? We
probably have mutual friends,) Anyway, I just thought you should know the real
Buddy.
p.s. I played with Barry Kiener (keys) for most of my stay with the band. He
was amazing. Not only could he play his ass off, he could remember what rooms
everyone stayed in on any date of any year. (one of those freakish kinds of
memory) We all loved him. Buddy was absolutely crazy about him. Anyway, keep up
the good work with your love of music and I'm glad you didn't mind my spouting
off about Buddy.
Sincerely,
Ross Konikoff"
Fuck you, asshole.
Lord Valve
Musician
King Size Johnson
> You're a stupid fuck, and certainly a no-blower yourself.
Look, I know your ego is bruised and all, but this will get you
nowhere. Consider yourself ignored in here in re: me.
Dismissed.
The Arranger
Still in use in jazz circles.
The Arranger
The Arranger
Here's another one:
When Benny Goodman put together an all-star big bad for a State Dept.
tour in the 1950s, he useed a lot of great musicians who were from the
bebop school. Alto sax player Phil Woods had the crowd on its feet
with an extended solo in the first concert. From the on, Benny shut
him down. No solos. Same for anyone else getting too much attention.
Tenor sax polayer and arranger Al Cohn was on this tour, too.
Decades later, Benny passed away. Subsequent phone call from Phil to
Al:
PHIL: Al, I have some good news and some bad news.
AL: Give me the good news.
PHIL: Benny Goodman died.
AL: What's the bad news?
PHIL: He died in his sleep.
The Arranger
The Arranger
When Buddy was the drummer in Tommy Dorsey's band, Frank Sinatra was
the vocalist. Monumental clash of egos. Dorsey once told a fellow
bandleader. There are three truly evil people in the world. One is
Hitler; the other two are in my band.
The Arranger
King Size Johnson
My favorite was Dorothy Parker, on being told of Calvin Coolidge's
death: "How do they know?"
stuth...@comcast.net
I'm 51, and I knew the term when I played in my JHS orchestra and band.
King Size Johnson
richforman
> http://www.jazz.com/dozens/beatles-covers-leskovic
Interesting but frustrating, no links to hear the tracks as I'm
reading the enticing descriptions of 'em.
richforman
richforman
I"m surprised to hear that people don't know that word, it's universal
among musicians.
richforman
brilton
By reading other comments in this thread, it seems to be jazz musicians
over a certain age group.
richforman
>
> > On Jan 25, 9:09 pm, brilton <notl...@yacht.net> wrote:
> >> I made a copy once for a friend who was very intigued by Buddy's use of
> >> the word "CLAMS!!?!".
>
> > LOL! I've heard some tirades from musical directors and "stars" in my
> > time, but never have I heard anyone refer to bad notes as "clams". I
> > liked the "There's no sound in flutes!" part, too.
>
> Hmmm, I had an uncle who was a jazz pianist. He used the term a lot.
I dunno, I've heard, and read, it used in lots of non-jazz contexts by
lots of non-jazz musicians. Fun word. I love all that old-school
musicians' hepcat slang and do my part to try to keep it alive by
using it in my musical situations.
richforman
richforman
> On 25 Jan 2011, brilton <notl...@yacht.net> wrote in
> rec.music.beatles:
>
> > Anyone elde (apart from The Arranger) ever heard the "Buddy Rich
> > bitching" tape?
>
> Of course! They're infamous. Check 'em out:
>
> http://www.cis.rit.edu/~ejipci/buddy_rich.htm
WSHEW! Thanks for the link! Those had me squirming, I thought Buddy
was gonna fire *me*! Fantastically cringe-alicious.
richforman
rwalker
<rfor...@msn.com> wrote:
>> http://www.cis.rit.edu/~ejipci/buddy_rich.htm
>
>WSHEW! Thanks for the link! Those had me squirming, I thought Buddy
>was gonna fire *me*! Fantastically cringe-alicious.
>
>richforman
I worked for a person like that in another field. Brings on
flashbacks.
King Size Johnson
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:27:16 -0800 (PST), richforman
>
> >>http://www.cis.rit.edu/~ejipci/buddy_rich.htm
>
> >WSHEW! Thanks for the link! Those had me squirming, I thought Buddy
> >was gonna fire *me*! Fantastically cringe-alicious.
>
> >richforman
>
> I worked for a person like that in another field. Brings on
> flashbacks.
So did I. He would call me at 7AM, frothing at the mouth, telling me
to fire entire shifts, and I just let him rant until he ran out of
steam and hung up on me. A few hours later, I'd call him back and tell
him I had no intentions of firing anyone -- but by that time he was
jovial and didn't even remember what pissed him off in the first
place. Spooky guy.