Friends of Amy question
Rob
the meet 'n greets, is it for only yourself or is it for you and a friend?
Please let me know. Thanks. -Rob
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and leave a trail." -Ralph Waldo Emerson
SRobin6053
>
>I'm considering buying a Friends Of Amy membership. For the soundchecks and
>the meet 'n greets, is it for only yourself or is it for you and a friend?
>Please let me know. Thanks. -Rob
>
Your FOA pass only allows soundchecks and meet and greets for the one who is
actually an FOA member. You can't bring anyone else using your pass. If someone
wants to come with you, then they must also be a member with a pass. :-)
Rob
year! -Rob
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C. Howerson
present, and all the other stuff that I get to know before the
general public is pretty darn awesome for $40 a year. Imagine each
crowd at the Amy Grant concert DOUBLED. The crowd is always big. I
doubt that would be much fun for Amy at the end of the night, either.
I remember when you paid half that to join FOA, and you never got the
promise of meeting her.
Not to mention the money goes to charity.
Christopher
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Covenant
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> I think that meeting amy if she tours near me, the chats, christmas
> present, and all the other stuff that I get to know before the
> general public is pretty darn awesome for $40 a year. Imagine each
> crowd at the Amy Grant concert DOUBLED. The crowd is always big. I
> doubt that would be much fun for Amy at the end of the night, either.
> I remember when you paid half that to join FOA, and you never got the
> promise of meeting her.
Now imagine living in the UK...
;' ))
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C. Howerson
1. An Imagine tour concert on FOA
2. tracks off ST before we were able to buy the cd.
3. internet chats.
All of these are good regardless where you live.
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Covenant
> well they had a few great things in the past.
>
> 1. An Imagine tour concert on FOA
A what ???
> 2. tracks off ST before we were able to buy the cd.
>
> 3. internet chats.
Not worth $40 though!
;' )
Rob
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Christopher
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Covenant
> it was worth every penny to me :)
But you don't live in the UK !!!
;' )))
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Hopeful in a hopeless world
Covenant schreef:
> Not worth $40 though!
I agree! For $40 you can buy the album and another album and who really
cares about hering low quality audio tracks a few weeks before the album
is released? On most online shops you can listen to samples of songs
before they get released as well.
$40 for a fan club is a ripp-off unless they offer something really
special and valuable that is available to everybody and not just a lucky
few. I remember that one time Lori Mc told me FOA had about 5000
members. If they still have that many members there is no way everybody
will get a meet and greet and sound check access and then I am not even
talking about people not living near a town where she will perform.
My wife is back with the kids so I better go.
C. Howerson
website (40 minutes of Amy) was worth every penny. She did not travel
near me, so I consider this to be a bonus.
if you attend an AG concert, and they have a meet and greet, and you
are a member, then you get to meet her. i will have travelled 12
hours to meet her on wednesday.
this newsgroup is free, but really....you all get stuff recycled from
FOA. There are so many things that I get from FOA. I totally think it
is worth it.
People Post pics, stories, and even stuff that they found on the net
(like interviews and stuff).
Christopher
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Hopeful in a hopeless world
> the fact that I got to see the IMAGINE CONCERT streamed from her
> website (40 minutes of Amy) was worth every penny. She did not travel
> near me, so I consider this to be a bonus.
They could release a live album in Doly digital 5.1 and that won't cost
you $40 and it would sound much better and it would be available to
everybody, including those without broadband.
> if you attend an AG concert, and they have a meet and greet, and you
> are a member, then you get to meet her.
I am not sure they can handle every member at the meet and greet. Like I
said, FOA once had about 5000 members and so if she is doing like 20
concerts with meet and greet (which I doubt she does) it could be up to
250 people at each show. i don't think they can handle that.
> i will have travelled 12 hours to meet her on wednesday.
Not everybody can afford such travel just to see an artist. Besides the
finacial side of this many have other obligations like family and work
you know.
> this newsgroup is free, but really....you all get stuff recycled from
> FOA. There are so many things that I get from FOA. I totally think it
> is worth it.
Many artists and their management give the things that FOA offers for
free. That is the difference. Having to pay $40 for some news and online
chats and internet sound files is too much. I even read in a thread here
that many are not renewing their FOA membership because it was not worth
the money. I can understand that.
> People Post pics, stories, and even stuff that they found on the net
> (like interviews and stuff).
They could post in in the free places like this as well.
SamNHisDog
concerts with meet and greet (which I doubt she does) it could be up to
250 sounds pretty close to what we had at our M&G at the Christmas show.
BQ
> Dear Christopher,
> > if you attend an AG concert, and they have a meet and greet, and you
> > are a member, then you get to meet her.
>
> I am not sure they can handle every member at the meet and greet. Like I
> said, FOA once had about 5000 members and so if she is doing like 20
> concerts with meet and greet (which I doubt she does) it could be up to
> 250 people at each show. i don't think they can handle that.
At the Christmas concert in Nashville, there were at least 250 people, they
handled that.
All I can say is I have paid the $40 each year it's been offered, and it's
been worth it. Granted, I did fly to Nashville and was able to attend a
Meet & Greet, and Vince and Amy are touring in Vancouver, so I will be able
to go to that Meet & Greet, but even without those, I do feel it would be
worth it.
> > i will have travelled 12 hours to meet her on wednesday.
>
> Not everybody can afford such travel just to see an artist. Besides the
> finacial side of this many have other obligations like family and work
> you know.
True, but I think the chats, the videos, the pre-release of songs on the
site are worth the $$. Not everyone thinks so, that's ok.
>
> > this newsgroup is free, but really....you all get stuff recycled from
> > FOA. There are so many things that I get from FOA. I totally think it
> > is worth it.
>
> Many artists and their management give the things that FOA offers for
> free. That is the difference. Having to pay $40 for some news and online
> chats and internet sound files is too much. I even read in a thread here
> that many are not renewing their FOA membership because it was not worth
> the money. I can understand that.
>
I know that is true, but for some who don't mind paying the $40, it's not a
big deal. I like the fact that a portion of my $$ goes to a charity, we can
all say we would rather donate privately rather than have FOA do it for us,
but realistically, it's lip service. How many actually do take the time to
donate?? I know I can get a lot of info online for free, but even the Dixie
Chicks only give you a minimal amount of info, and then they want you to pay
for more, same with Sarah McLaughlin, Chantal Krevaziuk, so I honestly don't
think Amy's FOA charging $40 is out of line.
I have no problem with those that don't want to pay the $40 or think it's
too much, it's their perogative, but I can say for me, it has been worth the
$40, even if I hadn't gone to any of the Meet & Greets. I was gifted the
trip to Nashville to meet Amy, it was never a thought when I originally
joined FOA. I actually know people who bought tickets to the concert and
then joined FOA in order to meet Amy.
> > People Post pics, stories, and even stuff that they found on the net
> > (like interviews and stuff).
>
> They could post in in the free places like this as well.
Nah, we don't have binaries in this here newsgroup......
:)
Bq
Hopeful in a hopeless world
> How many actually do take the time to donate??
We do and we really like to select the charities ourselves but I know
that is our personal preference. We just really like to know how much
exactly is donated. Usually we donate when we get a tax refund or some
other "bonus".
> Nah, we don't have binaries in this here newsgroup......
We don't have them either but there are alternatives like a good old
website. In the past i have put some Amy Concerts on a webserver so
Covenant and others could download them.
Take care.
Hopeful in a hopeless world
I have to add that I never really cared about meeting an artist in
person. I mean that I do love to see them perform live and that is why I
do go to concerts but I don't feel the need to meet them before or after
the concert to say "Hi".
Covenant
> the fact that I got to see the IMAGINE CONCERT streamed from her
> website (40 minutes of Amy) was worth every penny. She did not travel
> near me, so I consider this to be a bonus.
>
> if you attend an AG concert, and they have a meet and greet, and you
> are a member, then you get to meet her. i will have travelled 12
> hours to meet her on wednesday.
>
> this newsgroup is free, but really....you all get stuff recycled from
> FOA. There are so many things that I get from FOA. I totally think it
> is worth it.
>
> People Post pics, stories, and even stuff that they found on the net
> (like interviews and stuff).
Chris.... Follow what I'm saying !!!!
You say above...
> this newsgroup is free, but really....you all get stuff recycled from
> FOA.
So, therefore paying $40 for *that* is pointless, yeah?
Now, for *ME*, paying for any of the pother *benefits* is *also* pointless
because there is NO way I could involve myself with them!
To take advantage of any of the *meet and greet* and soundchecks etc etc etc
would involve Amy crossing the Atlanitc...
And She's not GOING to, is she?
Covenant
"BQ" <nos...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:2n9pfpF...@uni-berlin.de...
> All I can say is I have paid the $40 each year it's been offered, and it's
> been worth it. Granted, I did fly to Nashville and was able to attend a
> Meet & Greet, and Vince and Amy are touring in Vancouver, so I will be
able
> to go to that Meet & Greet, but even without those, I do feel it would be
> worth it.
Which, again, olvly seems top say that you can easiluy afford the $40... you
know?
If *I* could easily afford it, *I* wouldn't mind paying for it either.
Even for content that I would not be able to take part in...
thing being...
There *are* many, many websites which do very similar things *without*
having to pay $40, for artists a lot more famous than Amy.
(Internationally.)
> I have no problem with those that don't want to pay the $40 or think it's
> too much, it's their perogative,
But it isn't.
(Well, maybe it is for those who don't *want* to... )
But there are, remember, those who CANNOT. There's a big difference between
the two.
>> They could post in in the free places like this as well.
>
> Nah, we don't have binaries in this here newsgroup......
>
> :)
;' )
It is the easiest thing in the world to create a binaries NG.
;' )
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IN One !!! ;' )
Hopeful in a hopeless world
Covenant schreef:
> There *are* many, many websites which do very similar things *without*
> having to pay $40, for artists a lot more famous than Amy.
> (Internationally.)
Exactly! I still believe that artists should make their money with
selling albums and doing concerts. Websites are there to promote the
stuff and to give fans a little extra and so they should be for free.
The costs of runing a website are really low these days so that does not
justify the high price either. Now, like you said, the FOA site is
unavailable for many. For many people $40 is a lot of money!
Denise near Disney
Go to www.rickspringfield.com - you get photos, a message board, lyrics, an
occasional chat, a ton of stuff for free. He also posts messages to the site.
I don't know what his fan club offers, but I can say that he had an autograph
signing over at Virgin Records for free when he was here (I hadn't realized it
ahead of time) plus he works the crowd - I was about 5 feet from him for a
little while.
I think it's awesome that he gives so much to his fans, and it helps the
promotion as well. Those who might be casually interested in Amy will go to
the site and see pretty much nothing - and will leave. Those who go to Ricks
site can be part of the community (and likely will spend more money in the long
run).
I think Amy is missing the boat with charging. Die-hard fans will pay it (at
least some will). The many, many others who might have some interest in her
music will not.
Denise
Down 56 pounds and counting. :)
Hopeful in a hopeless world
I don't know Rick Springfield but I agree with this post. This is how it
should be, and yes, I really believe Amy is msing the boat. At least the
boat to the UK where Covenant is!
Hopeful in a hopeless world
Hopeful in a hopeless world
I don't know Rick Springfield but I agree with this post. This is how it
BQ
>
> "BQ" <nos...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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>
> > All I can say is I have paid the $40 each year it's been offered, and
it's
> > been worth it. Granted, I did fly to Nashville and was able to attend a
> > Meet & Greet, and Vince and Amy are touring in Vancouver, so I will be
> able
> > to go to that Meet & Greet, but even without those, I do feel it would
be
> > worth it.
>
> Which, again, olvly seems top say that you can easiluy afford the $40...
you
> know?
> If *I* could easily afford it, *I* wouldn't mind paying for it either.
> Even for content that I would not be able to take part in...
>
> thing being...
Covenant, stop making such an issue about being able to afford it or not.
It's a matter of choice. I am raising 3 kids on my own, I work two jobs. I
cannot easily afford it, but it is something that gives me pleasure, so I
opt out of doing a few other things in order to afford it. I am sure others
can do the same. I resent the fact you assume I can easily afford it, it
was a choice I made. I think when each one of us sits back and counts how
many frivilous things we do spend our money on, a coffee here or there, a
bag of chips we really don't need, a magazine, cigarettes, booze, a movie, a
cd, you name it, when you add all that up, $40 is a drop in the hat.
>
> There *are* many, many websites which do very similar things *without*
> having to pay $40, for artists a lot more famous than Amy.
> (Internationally.)
There are so many websites, Internationally as well, that charge. What's
the big deal? Why is it so wrong for Amy to charge, but it's ok for say,
The Dixie Chicks or Vince Gill to charge? A double standard??
>
> > I have no problem with those that don't want to pay the $40 or think
it's
> > too much, it's their perogative,
>
>
> But it isn't.
> (Well, maybe it is for those who don't *want* to... )
> But there are, remember, those who CANNOT. There's a big difference
between
> the two.
>
I disagree respectfully. I know what it's like to scrape the bottom and
still come up empty handed. But I also know that while doing it, we all
have choices and creature comforts that we have that we can do without in
order to have something we really want. What I think this boils down to is
you really don't care to belong to FOA, and that's ok, it's your choice to
not want it that much. I am sure if you did, you could find a way.
> >> They could post in in the free places like this as well.
> >
> > Nah, we don't have binaries in this here newsgroup......
> >
> > :)
>
>
> ;' )
>
> It is the easiest thing in the world to create a binaries NG.
I know silly, that wasn't the point. The point was you cannot post all that
stuff here in THIS newsgroup as it does not allow binaries, but please,
start a binarie NG and I will supply what I can to help those that aren't in
FOA out. I won't copyright infringe on anything that FOA has forbidden to
be copyrighted, but there are great sites out there as well, Can's is still
going.
Peace
bq
BQ
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I will add I do think Amy is missing the boat also, I would love to see FOA
no charge, I think she is doing a huge disservice to herself and her career
by putting up obstacles for others to share her career, it's her choice I
guess. I will agree that she would be better off having a FOA site free. I
can't argue that, but I will say I don't think $40 is a lot of money if it's
something you really desire, I did, so I sacrificed.
bq
>
> Denise
> Down 56 pounds and counting. :)
WAY TO GO DENISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
nickelshrink
with me, because i thought she'd play mostly hymns -- he's more
of a metal fan, and i figured hymns would make him grind his
teeth all evening. Then when it turned out to be a great rocking
all-around musical evening, i decided maybe i'd not only take him
next time .... but, hmmm.... maybe i should join FOA in case
there's ever a meet & greet here. My huz thinks highly of both
Amy & Vince as people, and might enjoy a chance Vince that he
liked Vince's NPR interview, about parenting daughters.
Thanks to this NG, i won't make that mistake! $40.00 - not exactly!
It would cost us *80.00* in FOA memberships to do that.
For only a 40.00 membership for myself .... why, hey, i can just
tell my Life Partner to go wait in the car. Bring a book and a
frikkin flashlight. I mean, come on.
Really, i *do understand* that the Meet&Greet crowds of 200, 250,
etc. are already large and all the partners would make it difficult,
and it's not like i claim to have a solution or anything...but something
about asking this of fans, or of their partners, seems ....discourteous.
Most clubs/associations welcome, and assume you'll bring, your
spouse/sig other to special events.
I dunno. seems weird to me, but i'd rather keep my $40 anyway
and buy a couple more cd's....
8~)
ruth
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: it was worth every penny to me :)
Hopeful in a hopeless world
BQ schreef:
> I think when each one of us sits back and counts how
> many frivilous things we do spend our money on, a coffee here or there, a
> bag of chips we really don't need, a magazine, cigarettes, booze, a movie, a
> cd, you name it, when you add all that up, $40 is a drop in the hat.
$40 is two CD's and if I have to choose I rather buy 2 CD over some
useless website fee. The CD's can be enjoyed years in a row while the
website fee runs out and what do have have at the end of the run? We
don't do cigarettes, chips or booze but we do love to go out for
ice-cream or hot chocolate with the children. That is what we prefer.
> There are so many websites, Internationally as well, that charge. What's
> the big deal? Why is it so wrong for Amy to charge, but it's ok for say,
> The Dixie Chicks or Vince Gill to charge? A double standard??
I have not seen anybody here saying it's okay for them to charge. I like
the Dixie Chicks and I buy their music and DVD's but no website
membership. I guess Covenant only talked about Amy because that is the
artist her likes.
> > But it isn't.
> > (Well, maybe it is for those who don't *want* to... )
> > But there are, remember, those who CANNOT. There's a big difference
> > between the two.
> >
> I disagree respectfully. I know what it's like to scrape the bottom and
> still come up empty handed. But I also know that while doing it, we all
> have choices and creature comforts that we have that we can do without in
> order to have something we really want.
I know plenty people for who there simply are no choices and so the $40
for FOA is really no option. I know you are supporting three children
and have two jobs but you can also afford to fly to Nashville from
Canada to see Amy so your budged is not really that tight. There are
plenty people who don't have that luxery. Just because you can still
make choices does not mean others have that luxery budgetwise.
Where is Can? I have not seen him in ages.
Hopeful in a hopeless world
>
> I dunno. seems weird to me, but i'd rather keep my $40 anyway
> and buy a couple more cd's....
The same here! With 8 children and my wife and me it would be $400... A
bit much
Happily Apathetic
Craig
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Denise near Disney
can't argue that, but I will say I don't think $40 is a lot of money if it's
I am not against anyone paying $40 if it's worth it for them. I just think
that Amy is shooting herself in the foot by having it be a pay site. It could
have been a great promotional tool during her last album.
Denise near Disney
Or your $80...
I hadn't realized that if you wanted to go to the meet and greet and you were
with someone, it'd cost another $40. Wow!
BQ
>
> I know plenty people for who there simply are no choices and so the $40
> for FOA is really no option. I know you are supporting three children
> and have two jobs but you can also afford to fly to Nashville from
> Canada to see Amy so your budged is not really that tight. There are
> plenty people who don't have that luxery. Just because you can still
> make choices does not mean others have that luxery budgetwise.
Yes, I did fly toNashville twice, but, I did not pay for one of those
flights as I could not afford it. They were both gifts. And yeah, my
budget is tight. As you know, kids are not inexpensive.
>
> Where is Can? I have not seen him in ages.
He is alive and kicking.
bq
PearL
>For only a 40.00 membership for myself .... why, hey, i can just
>tell my Life Partner to go wait in the car. Bring a book and a
>frikkin flashlight. I mean, come on.
bwaaahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! THat cracked me up Ruth!
~ PearL
My greatest fear is that we're going to get attacked again. The enemy watches
and sees other parts of the world kind of cower in the face of their barbaric
behavior and, therefore, draw the wrong lessons from it. That's my worry. -GWB
Denise near Disney
Amy has a right to charge what she wants for anything - t-shirts, website,
concert tickets, etc. FOA isn't a need of anyone, so to me it isn't an issue
in that sense that she is charging. I think it's great that BQ has been able
to go see her.
But it would never be worth it to me - I wouldn't pay $40 for * any * website,
not even of the artists that I listen to the most. I don't do it either for
talk show hosts that I listen to, etc. I do think that Amy could have sold
more albums and garnered more fans if she had the website free - but that is
her decision.
Hopeful in a hopeless world
> As you know, kids are not inexpensive.
It's really a fortune that goes down their throats but what you get in
return is even more valuable.
> > Where is Can? I have not seen him in ages.
>
> He is alive and kicking.
Anybody still talking to him? I still remember him as the biggest Amy
Grant fan but suddenly he a kind of disappeared.
Hopeful in a hopeless world
> But it would never be worth it to me - I wouldn't pay $40 for * any * website,
> not even of the artists that I listen to the most.
The same here. As I said in another posts don't I really care to meet
these pleople because I don't really know them and I won't know much
more after I shake hands and say "hi". i also don't care about web
chats. I took part in one of the very first chats Amy did (it was for
free at that time) and one of my questions was answered by Amy but I
have to say it was not even worth staying up late. Web chats just don't
do it for me. It's a few choatic letters on the screen. I don't mind
spending some of my money on entertainment but I want something really
valuable in return like a good album or a nice concert DVD. Things you
can enjoy over and over.
Covenant
"Denise near Disney" <tinyb...@aol.comawesome> wrote in message
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> having to pay $40, for artists a lot more famous than Amy. >><BR><BR>
>
> Go to www.rickspringfield.com - you get photos, a message board, lyrics,
an
> occasional chat, a ton of stuff for free. He also posts messages to the
site.
> I don't know what his fan club offers, but I can say that he had an
autograph
> signing over at Virgin Records for free when he was here (I hadn't
realized it
> ahead of time) plus he works the crowd - I was about 5 feet from him for a
> little while.
;' )
Which is cool...
But I don't really like him !!
;' ))))
(Or actively *dislike* him!)
Covenant
"BQ" <nos...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:2naku8F...@uni-berlin.de...
> Covenant, stop making such an issue about being able to afford it or not.
> It's a matter of choice.
But it *is* an issue sweetheart.
If you CANNOT afford it then you simply DO NOT have that choice!
Covenant
"BQ" <nos...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:2nc8gfF...@uni-berlin.de...
> > Where is Can? I have not seen him in ages.
>
> He is alive and kicking.
WHO !!????
;' ))))
BQ
>
> "BQ" <nos...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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>
>
> > Covenant, stop making such an issue about being able to afford it or
not.
> > It's a matter of choice.
>
> But it *is* an issue sweetheart.
>
> If you CANNOT afford it then you simply DO NOT have that choice!
Damnit Joe, it's my opinion it is not an issue, it's a choice. I am sure
that everyone has their *luxury* items that they do spend what little extra
they have on, and thereby they choose what they spend it on. I am not
fighting you on this, it's pointless, I think it is a choice, not an issue.
bq
Hopeful in a hopeless world
>
> Damnit Joe, it's my opinion it is not an issue, it's a choice. I am sure
> that everyone has their *luxury* items that they do spend what little extra
> they have on
This is not true. there are plenty all over the world (including
families in Europe and the US) who already have a hard time putting a
good dinner on the table and so for those it is not a matter of choice
when talking about $40 for FOA. For them it's even a question if they
can do a $2 ice-cream for their children. People who lost their job for
a reason that is not under their control are likely not to have the
choice wheather or not to spend on FOA. If you suddenly lost your job
and don't have a new one on your way I am sure you would think twice
before spending $40 on FOA.
BQ
Yes I would, but if it was something I felt I wanted badly enough, I am sure
I could find ways to sacrifice other things to belong.
bq
Hopeful in a hopeless world
>
> Yes I would, but if it was something I felt I wanted badly enough, I am sure
> I could find ways to sacrifice other things to belong.
I think you are a kind of missing the point that I and Covenant have
been trying top make. For some people theer really is choice. It would
mean having to sacrifice food, something we all need more badly than the
FOA membership. For us, wo have the luxery that we can make a choice
it's easy to say we can sacrifice something if we want this so badly but
for some people (and there are more that fall in this catergry than you
might realize) it really is no matter of choice or sacrifice.
Paula
I grew up in a home where mom and dad worked, and while they are
amazing, loving parents, growing up in daycares and babtsitters homes
was very lonely. So, my husband and I made the choice that I would
stay home and raise our 3 children.
Now, my husband makes 550.00 a week (well, used to, he is no
unemployed, but God is being soo very kind, and he is getting alot of
freelance work). But for the last 3 years he has made 550.00 a week.
We are Christians who tithe, so right of the top, we give 10% back to
the Lord. We also take another 5% off the top, which we give as
offering/charity. EVERY week. With the remainder, we buy food, pay
for our 780.00 a month mortgage, gas, insurance, etc... etc.. etc...
We make EVERY penny count. God is good and blesses us, and we have
never wanted for food. My sister-in-law is very well off, and oh so
kind, and sends my kids new clothes every year, so that is an expense
that we do not have. But believe me, it's not easy. I would LOVE to
be a FOA member. But I simply cannot. It's not a matter of giving up
certain luxuries. You have no idea how long we saved in order to be
able to take a trip up to Nashville. My husband, who dreams of living
as a singer-songwriter, had gear from a home-based recording studio
from when we were first married (before we had kids). Well, he sold a
whole bunch of his gear just to be able to make the trip. And I know
that there are alot of people who are MUCH MUCH worse off than we are.
We have a happy family, our kids are healthy, we love eachother, and
God has been extremely good. But I just wanted to give a perspective
for those who feel like anyone can afford 40 a year for this, if they
want it bad enough. That is not true. I don't blame Amy for
charging, I don't really think she is even the one who handles this.
I think it's her management company. And they have the right to do as
they wish. Just please don't take a position that says, "anyone can
afford this", because it's not true.
"Happily Apathetic" <cra...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message news:<4z%Pc.48$tX5....@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au>...
BQ
to agree to disagree.
bq
Covenant
"BQ" <nos...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:2ndmjjF...@uni-berlin.de...
I'm not fighting *you* either. (Dunno why you might think I *was*??)
Anyway... Maybe to *you* it is not an issue.
But if it is an issue to *anyone* then it *is* an issue.
Covenant
"BQ" <nos...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:2ng1oh...@uni-berlin.de...
> You are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine. We will have
> to agree to disagree.
No we don't.
Cos if people cannot afford it, they canot afford it.
NO opinion will change that fact.
BQ
>
> "BQ" <nos...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:2ng1oh...@uni-berlin.de...
> > You are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine. We will
have
> > to agree to disagree.
>
>
> No we don't.
>
> Cos if people cannot afford it, they canot afford it.
>
> NO opinion will change that fact.
Disagree.
bq
Hopeful in a hopeless world
Good to you! Thanks for the great post to explain things. You may not be
able to afford $40 on FOA but you do seem to have a really nice family
and seem to have things worked out fine. I agree with you that not
anybody can afford $40 on something like FOA because I know there are
plenty hard working families like yours.
My wife and I manage to make quite a good living with our 8 children.
It's mostly because my wife has a really good job. We could easily
afford the $40 if we want to but we won't because we feel it's not right
to waste money on something as un-important as a fanclub. We rather
donate an extra $40 to some charity that we choose over spending it on
FOA where we have no idea what they really do with our money.
Take care
Paula schreef:
Hopeful in a hopeless world
>
> You are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine. We will have
> to agree to disagree.
This is not a matter of opinion. This is a matter of people not being
able to judge other people's lives and decisions. You have not walked
Paula's (or anybody elses) shoes and so you can't know so sure that
there is a way to find the extra $40 to spend on FOA. There are plenty
families who go in dept because suddenly their fridge or laundry machine
breaks down while their income is not all that great. No way those
people will find a way to afford $40 on something unimportant as FOA.
BQ
Disagree with the *matter of opinion*. I think that $40 isn't a lot, and
that we spend 40 easily each month friviously, and if one wanted FOA badly
enough, they would change their habits. It's a choice, in my opinion. You
can debate this all you wish, you will not change my opinion on this matter
one iota.
bq
Hopeful in a hopeless world
>
> Disagree with the *matter of opinion*.
When talkinmg about weather or not people can afford to spend $40 on
FIOA is not an opinion. It is a fact that many just simply can, no
matter how badly they want. As explained by me, Paula and Covenant there
are people for who it simply is no option. That it is an option for you
and that youi can free up money for it does not mean that everybody else
can. Like I have said before, when your budget is tight and have to
choose between buying food or paying off the replacement laundry machine
that you needed there really is no choice. Like it or not but that is
the truth for many. Even in relatively rich countries places like
Europe, the US and Canada
> I think that $40 isn't a lot,
That is an opinion and that is something people can agree or disagree
about. Not weather or not everybody can afford it
> that we spend 40 easily each month friviously,
This is not true!! People on a tight budget turn every peny before they
spend it. Please step out of your own shoes for a moment. What holds in
your situation does not hold for other people. Cicumstances like budgeds
and such might be completely different.
> and if one wanted FOA badly
> enough, they would change their habits.
It is not a matter of habbits for many.
> It's a choice, in my opinion. You
> can debate this all you wish, you will not change my opinion on this matter
> one iota.
It's because you just can't step out of your own personal situation for
a moment. Rememeber that you are fortunate enough to be able to afford
$40 on nothing but this does not mean everybdoy can. That is not an
opinion,. it's simple reality.
PearL
> I think that $40 isn't a lot, and
>that we spend 40 easily each month friviously, and if one wanted FOA badly
>enough
Just thought I'd point out that FOA is $40 *a year.* ; )
Hopeful in a hopeless world
>
> Just thought I'd point out that FOA is $40 *a year.* ; )
Does not matter, for some people (more than you probably think) that is
still a lot!
Paula
since expired)... If I could afford it, /i would renew for the
soundstage & meet and greet.
PearL
I'm not debating that it's not a lot. I think it is as well. I just wanted to
clarify the amount because there is a HUGE difference between $40 *a year* and
$40 a *MONTH.* lol ; )
BQ
>
> It's because you just can't step out of your own personal situation for
> a moment. Rememeber that you are fortunate enough to be able to afford
> $40 on nothing but this does not mean everybdoy can. That is not an
> opinion,. it's simple reality.
You know NOTHING about my reality Arald. Give it a rest, you will not
change my opinion with your posts. I believe it is a choice, not an issue.
Nothing you nor Covenant will say, will change my mind. Respect my opinion
for a change would you and let it rest. You are entitled to yours and you
don't see me always trying to change your mind do you? We disagree, simply
put. Nothing will change on this.
bq
Happily Apathetic
it)...........I may even pay it if I was going to catch a concert on
holidays. But I am not and I missed her concert by 2 days when I was last in
the USA so bummer for me.
Craig
"Paula" <linc...@email.com> wrote in message
news:e7a72fdb.04080...@posting.google.com...
Denise near Disney
computer, or FOA, or anything. But for those who have any money at all - FOA
costs about the same as a Big Mac and fries a month. If you can afford to go
to McDonalds, you can afford to be a member of FOA - but it just depends on
priorities.
I am not a member. I really don't feel a need to, and my financial situation
was really bad last year. If it was 15 years ago, probably 10 years ago, I
very well may have.
SWatson932
>costs about the same as a Big Mac and fries a month.
Holy cow!!! Where do you live? I could buy a lot of Big Mac's and fries in a
month for $40.
LOL
slw
Denise near Disney
in a
It's only $3.25 or so a month - so actually, I'm not sure if you might have to
go for the small fries.
SWatson932
>in a
>month for $40. >>
>
>
Then I just might splurge for the large fries!!
LOL
Congrats on the 56 lbs
BQ
"Denise near Disney" <tinyb...@aol.comawesome> wrote in message
news:20040806140440...@mb-m20.aol.com...
> There are certainly people in this world who can't afford food let alone a
> computer, or FOA, or anything. But for those who have any money at all -
FOA
> costs about the same as a Big Mac and fries a month. If you can afford
to go
> to McDonalds, you can afford to be a member of FOA - but it just depends
on
> priorities.
Thank you Denise,....that is my point.
bq
Hopeful in a hopeless world
BQ schreef:
>
> If you can afford to go to McDonalds, you can afford to be a member of FOA -
> but it just depends on priorities.
>
> Thank you Denise,....that is my point.
The point is that many never go to Mc Donalds because they can't afford
it. It's as simple as that. A little over $2/month may not be a lot for
you or me but it really is for many others and that is the point. You
are bot walking their shoes and you simply can not say it's a matter of
choice or priorities. People with a minium income or even lower who have
responsibilities have no choise to waste money on Mc Donalds or
something as un important as FOA.
Hopeful in a hopeless world
>
> There are certainly people in this world who can't afford food let alone a
> computer, or FOA, or anything. But for those who have any money at all - FOA
> costs about the same as a Big Mac and fries a month. If you can afford to go
> to McDonalds, you can afford to be a member of FOA - but it just depends on
> priorities.
>
> I am not a member. I really don't feel a need to, and my financial situation
> was really bad last year.
I am not a member either. We can easily afford it since our financial
situation is good but I just don't want to waste money on "Nothing". Yes
"Nothing" is what FOA is these days, especially for people who don't
live near where she will perform and when you don't care about meeting
the artist just to say a rushed "Hi". When we got the e-mail about the
new FOA and what it was and what the fee was I asked why international
membership was more expensive than US membership. I did not plan on
becoming a member because they had nothing to offer but I was just
curious because it was odd. They never really explained this and I know
why. It's because they simply can't! They have no valid reason to make
international membership more expensive. With the old FOA they had the
valid reason that postal rates for sending the newsletter to
international addresses where higher. Now it's an all online thing and
so there is no reason to charge more. They should even give a discount
because some of the items in the package are not available for people
outside the US and who (understandable) are not spending a fortune to
fly to a place where Amy will perform.
I was a member in the days of the printed newsletter done by Lori Mc.
After she left I did not renews because I did not like the changes at
FOA, especially because no news was made available anymore and the
website stayed in a sad and out-dated state.
Now I am older, have more life experience because my life has changed
quite drastically since then and I really don't feel the need to be a
member of any fan club. I still love music a lot but I love it for the
music and not all the other things that are added by fan clubs. No way I
will spend time "chatting" online with an artist. I rather go to a
concert than spend the same time and money on a fan club. I'd love to
spend the money on McDonalds because their Nuggets and shakes are great
but since I am on a diet I really can't handle those anymore. If I would
take anything that is not on the list of things "I can handle" I will be
sick again and I am fortunately enough to not have been sick since the
last surgery a few months ago. That is really is a nice change from
being sick almost every week. Sometimes when we have gone out or
shopping or whatever we take the children to the McDonalds. Not too
often though because it's not the healthiest food in the world.
Hopeful in a hopeless world
> I'm not debating that it's not a lot. I think it is as well. I just wanted to
> clarify the amount because there is a HUGE difference between $40 *a year* and
> $40 a *MONTH.* lol ; )
That is ;o)
Brennan07
>From: Hopeful in a hopeless world ourad...@mail.com
>Date: 8/7/2004 2:55 AM US Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <41148AD7...@mail.com>
I think the point they are insisting on is that one could, theoretically,
choose not to eat and give their money to the Friends of Amy site. You could
choose to rob people in the streets for the money. So they define this as a
choice.
Sophie had a choice, too, by their definitions.
Avital
Covenant
"BQ" <nos...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:2nged1...@uni-berlin.de...
Then would you please *explain* your logic which enables people who barely
have enough money to *live*, in any decent sense, can afford to spend $40 on
a frivolous website then...?
Covenant
"BQ" <nos...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:2ninbaF...@uni-berlin.de...
Actually... the SECOND part of her post ios your point.
However your *point* (and the basis of your opinion) neglects to take into
account the FIRST part of her post...
IE...
> There are certainly people in this world who can't afford food let alone a
computer,
So... How can *these* people *afford* to gain $40 for an FOA membership???
I await your reply with *great* interest!
Covenant
"PearL" <bstn...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040806100539...@mb-m28.aol.com...
> >From: Hopeful in a hopeless world
>
> >PearL schreef:
> >>
> >> Just thought I'd point out that FOA is $40 *a year.* ; )
> >
> >Does not matter, for some people (more than you probably think) that is
> >still a lot!
>
> I'm not debating that it's not a lot. I think it is as well. I just wanted
to
> clarify the amount because there is a HUGE difference between $40 *a
year* and
> $40 a *MONTH.* lol ; )
Indeed!!!!
Nearly...
Errmm....
(Hang on........ just a tick.... where's that formulaic calculator...)
it's...
Ummm...
(lots of crashing and sweary noises)
BLAST!!!
It'ssssss......
(Holds out two hands with random amount of fingers raised....)
THIS many !!!!!!
--
Covenant
A Man With Far Too Much Time On His Hands.... Who Is Bored This
Afternoon....
BQ
"Brennan07" <bren...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040807095726...@mb-m11.aol.com...
Bullshit Avital....that is not the point...and why bring Sophie into this?
No one else did. I won't go into that here, it's not the proper thing to
do. Keep their kids out of it.
bq
Brennan07
>Date: 8/7/2004 11:37 AM US Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <2nkeplF...@uni-berlin.de>
What on earth are you talking about?
Are you unfamiliar with "Sophie's Choice", the award winning book and film?
Avital
BQ
I guess I am, that was so out of left field, I thought you were referring to
something else, my apologies.
I still stand on my other opinion though.
bq
>
> Avital
>
>
Brennan07
>Message-id: <2nkhvoF...@uni-berlin.de>
Okay.
"Sophie's Choice" was a complicated book but the 'choice" she faces was to pick
which of her children would be murdered. If she refused to choose, they would
both be killed.
In other words, it is not really a choice at all, in the traditional sense of
free will.
Along the lines of "would you prefer to be hanged or shot".
There are truly some people who could not possibly 'choose' to spend any sum of
money on entertainment because they cannot produce this money by any rational
means. Just as some people cannot choose to be healthy or choose to be
heterosexual, the word "choice" carries implications - options, the ability to
weigh cost/benefit.
I think the point Cov and Arald are making is that to say, "well, you may
choose to spend $40 on this and go without other things" implies that there are
things that one is now currently in possession of or paying for that one could
'choose' to do without. That is a big assumption. It's not a correct one for
everyone.
Avital
BQ
Disagree.
> Avital
>
Brennan07
>Message-id: <2nkikiF...@uni-berlin.de>
What if your total income was zero? You lived only by scavenging from trash
cans? You were homeless? I am using these extreme examples to see if there is
anyone in the world for whom you think a choice to spend $40 on a FOA is not
viable.
People in comas? Those who are mentally ill? Can "everyone" choose? If not,
who?
Avital
PearL
>Along the lines of "would you prefer to be hanged or shot".
I'd rather be shot. Less suffering.
Brennan07
>Date: 8/7/2004 1:41 PM US Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20040807144143...@mb-m22.aol.com>
>
>>From: bren...@aol.com
>
>>Along the lines of "would you prefer to be hanged or shot".
>
>I'd rather be shot. Less suffering.
>
Ah, don't you think it depends? A really well placed noose with just the right
counterweights could be pretty fast. As opposed to a slightly off bullet.
Too many variables, right? All things equal, though, I would agree with you.
The idea of a broken neck is quite unpleasant.
Avital
BQ
>
> What if your total income was zero? You lived only by scavenging from
trash
> cans? You were homeless? I am using these extreme examples to see if
there is
> anyone in the world for whom you think a choice to spend $40 on a FOA is
not
> viable.
>
#1, I was never referring to those who *scavenge from trash cans*, and if
you couldn't see that, you are clueless. You are trying to argue something
completely different. I am talking about those who have even a tiny
disposable income, and we all here have it. We all here have internet
access - that is an option we have. If we were that destitute, we would
forego the internet connection. I was never ever talking homeless and you
knew it, but you chose to assume I was to further your argument.
> People in comas? Those who are mentally ill? Can "everyone" choose? If
not,
> who?
#2, now you are just being ridiculous. Show me where I once inferred this?
For cripes sake, get a grip would you.
bq
Denise near Disney
reason to even be a member of FOA in the first place) can generally afford a
few dollars a month for something. Even those who are poor in this country
sometimes/often have cable television.
Denise
Brennan07
>Date: 8/7/2004 2:10 PM US Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <2nknocF...@uni-berlin.de>
>
>
>"Brennan07" <bren...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20040807141000...@mb-m16.aol.com...
>>
>> What if your total income was zero? You lived only by scavenging from
>trash
>> cans? You were homeless? I am using these extreme examples to see if
>there is
>> anyone in the world for whom you think a choice to spend $40 on a FOA is
>not
>> viable.
>>
>
>#1, I was never referring to those who *scavenge from trash cans*, and if
>you couldn't see that, you are clueless. You are trying to argue something
>completely different. I am talking about those who have even a tiny
>disposable income, and we all here have it.
Really? You are psychic? Perhaps someone is using a friend's computer.
Perhaps a welfare office computer.
We all here have internet
>access - that is an option we have. If we were that destitute, we would
>forego the internet connection. I was never ever talking homeless and you
>knew it, but you chose to assume I was to further your argument.
No, you make assumptions about things being black and white and then get angry
when it is pointed out.
>
>> People in comas? Those who are mentally ill? Can "everyone" choose? If
>not,
>> who?
>
>#2, now you are just being ridiculous. Show me where I once inferred this?
>
>For cripes sake, get a grip would you.
>
>bq
If you can put aside hostility for a second - can you? - you will see you are
making outrageous assumptions.
Avital
Brennan07
>Date: 8/7/2004 3:16 PM US Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20040807161600...@mb-m01.aol.com>
>
>Those who can afford to have a computer in a home (which would be the only
>reason to even be a member of FOA in the first place) can generally afford a
>few dollars a month for something. Even those who are poor in this country
>sometimes/often have cable television.
>
>
their computer accesss.
Your circumstances are not universal. Even in small details.
Avital
KJCSmith1
Or in my case a reatlives...after paying rent, bills, grocery bills I have no
extra's for things like FOA. My son and I are lucky if we get to eat out once
every three months.
Brennan07
>Date: 8/7/2004 4:25 PM US Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20040807172522...@mb-m04.aol.com>
The only point I am trying to make is that it is really not rational to say
"Everyone can...." and then fill in something based on personal experience. I
am sure that in the US it is true that most people could, if they cut out
things like tolls, etc., walked to work the 20 miles instead of drove, or
whatever, raise $40. But is that really a "choice" in the reasonable usage of
the word?
I could 'choose" to live in the US. But it would mean I couldn't live in the
same country as my husband and children. Because right now, they - or 2/3rds
of them - cannot legally make that choice.
Everyone has parameters that they must work within. If choosing to do one
thing means the consequences are overwhelmingly awful, you are not really free
to make a choice.
The Catholic Church, for example, recognises this in their anullment laws. I
am no expert on them but in order to consent to a marriage, you must be free of
duress while doing so. Otherwise they do not consider it a choice.
Another example: A prisoner has been told that if he will not confess, he will
be taken to a third country that is quite happy to perform acts of torture. If
he confesses, is that a choice? International law says no, that is a coercion
and that invalidates the concept of choice.
Yes, this sounds very bloody minded. But I am concerned about the increasing
tendency of black and white thinking.
Avital
BQ
And neither are yours. I find your arrogance very disturbing. I for one am
glad you don't sully the good citizens of the US by living there. Stay
where you are, away from the North American continent.
bq
>
> Avital
Denise near Disney
Not * everyone * can. But I would personally guess that the average Amy Grant
listener/fan could afford to do it if they chose to. Personally, I don't have
lots of money (I try not to even spend money on fast food often) - and I choose
to use what little discretionary income I have elsewhere. Like - I bought my
$32 ticket to see Rick Springfield (or whatever it cost, maybe $40 after
Ticketmaster).
That was more valuable to me than FOA.
DarkrWater
"Everyone can...." and then fill in something based on personal experience. I
am sure that in the US it is true that most people could, if they cut out
things like tolls, etc., walked to work the 20 miles instead of drove, or
whatever, raise $40. But is that really a "choice" in the reasonable usage of
the word?
I could 'choose" to live in the US. But it would mean I couldn't live in the
same country as my husband and children. Because right now, they - or 2/3rds
of them - cannot legally make that choice.
Is Avital a woman or a man? I thought hope was out of the country?
Or is it a case of spilt personality?
Brennan07
>From: tinyb...@aol.comawesome (Denise near Disney)
>Message-id: <20040807193829...@mb-m29.aol.com>
>
><< The only point I am trying to make is that it is really not rational to
>say
>"Everyone can...." >>
>
>don't havelots of money (I try not to even spend money on fast food often) -
>and I chooseto use what little discretionary income I have elsewhere. Like -
>I bought my$32 ticket to see Rick Springfield (or whatever it cost, maybe $40
>afterTicketmaster).That was more valuable to me than FOA.DeniseDown 56 pounds
>and counting. :)
I would agree that most Amy Grant fans could choose. But not all.
That was the only reason I entered this topic. As soon as you acknowledge that
it is a most/not all situation it becomes a matter of gray, not black and
white.
For those who think I never comment on Amy Grant:
I would like to make some cover suggestions to Amy from my perspective, but
figure they would be pretty obscure and she wouldn't be interested, and that is
the only reason I'd want special access to her. Here are my suggestions:
1. Four Strong Winds (Neil Young's)
2. And it Stoned Me (Van Morrison)
3. some Joan Armatrading song - all good
4. Any of the songs of one of the Chieftain's Duet albums - she has a voice
that would be perfect for some celtic songs, I think
5. Some real American folk music, maybe something from the Carters. Something
with those Appalachian hammered dulcimers
6. Another Jimmy Webb cover - "If these walls" is done so well, and he writes
such interesting tunes.
Brennan07
>Date: 8/7/2004 5:48 PM US Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <2nl4i1F...@uni-berlin.de>
Does being hateful give you pleasure?
Or make you feel important?
Just wondering.
Avital
Brennan07
>Date: 8/7/2004 7:35 PM US Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20040807203543...@mb-m16.aol.com>
What does Hope have to do with anything?
Avital
Brennan07
>Date: 8/7/2004 7:42 PM US Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20040807204237...@mb-m23.aol.com>
Oh - you are confusing me with Arald?
Arald is a Dutch man.
I am an Israeli American woman.
Not split personality.
Just same first initial.
Avital
Christy
> I think the point they are insisting on is that one could, theoretically,
> choose not to eat and give their money to the Friends of Amy site. You could
> choose to rob people in the streets for the money. So they define this as a
> choice.
I am losing my mind reading this thread, and I was trying sooooo hard to
stay out of it. But I just have to ask how in the world can you guys not
see that we all have a choice?! If you want the $40, deliver pizzas for one
weekend?
Now someone will say, "What if you don't have a car?" To that I say, take a
night job at a business near you. There's a McDonalds on every
corner or offer to clean houses.
"No childcare!" I hear you say. Watch other children in your home a few
days a week.
There is always a way in this land for a half-way intelligent person to earn
$40. Our local grocery store employs several mentally slow men as baggers.
They got out there and made something of their lives. And if people don't
have skills there are community colleges (with scholarship money available),
public libraries, churches...there is always a way. Sometimes you just have
to dig a little to find it. And I'm afraid America has too many people not
willing to work for what they want.
Back to packing -- we're going to Florida tomorrow to pick up our son who
has been in Australia all summer on a missions trip. I cannot wait to hug
his neck!
Christy
DarkrWater
>Message-id: <20040807205658...@mb-m23.aol.com>
Sorry, I got my "A's " mixed up. It's been a long day today.
Covenant
"BQ" <nos...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:2nknocF...@uni-berlin.de...
>
> "Brennan07" <bren...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040807141000...@mb-m16.aol.com...
> >
> > What if your total income was zero? You lived only by scavenging from
> trash
> > cans? You were homeless? I am using these extreme examples to see if
> there is
> > anyone in the world for whom you think a choice to spend $40 on a FOA is
> not
> > viable.
> >
>
> #1, I was never referring to those who *scavenge from trash cans*, and if
> you couldn't see that, you are clueless. You are trying to argue
something
> completely different. I am talking about those who have even a tiny
> disposable income, and we all here have it.
No.. THERE is your flaw....
THERE is your huge assumption !!!
What on earth makes you think you know *everyone* in here has disposable
income?
And regardless, this was NOT limited to *us in here*, this was to *anyone*,
remember?
Covenant
"KJCSmith1" <kjcs...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040807172522...@mb-m04.aol.com...
If I live near ya I'd FIND the money to take ya BOTh out !!!
(Still be cheaper than FAO !! )
;' )
Covenant
A Man Who's A Cheap Date !!!! xxx
Covenant
"DarkrWater" <darkr...@aol.comDONTDOIT> wrote in message
news:20040807213540...@mb-m26.aol.com...
> Sorry, I got my "A's " mixed up. It's been a long day today.
Falling down on your "As" huh !!??
;' )))))
Covenant
"PearL" <bstn...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040807144143...@mb-m22.aol.com...
> >From: bren...@aol.com
>
> >Along the lines of "would you prefer to be hanged or shot".
>
> I'd rather be shot. Less suffering.
I'd rather be hung...
Wait a second.....
I *AM* !!!
Grroooaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
--
Covenant
A Man Stepping Over That Line !!!!! (Ohhh Yes... I *Went* There !!) ;' )))
Covenant
Apparently a 'good' hanging *is* quicker than being shot!
Covenant
"Denise near Disney" <tinyb...@aol.comawesome> wrote in message
news:20040807161600...@mb-m01.aol.com...
> Those who can afford to have a computer in a home (which would be the only
> reason to even be a member of FOA in the first place) can generally afford
a
> few dollars a month for something.
Again, though, *generally, does not mean *everyone*.
>Even those who are poor in this country sometimes/often have cable
television.
There is a HUGE discussion in there...
(I mean, seriously... a MASSIVE socialogical debate could take place based
on that one sentence!! BUt it/s nearly 3am. so..)
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Covenant
A Man Dropping Off To Sle............