Question for California residents.
Henry
A friend of mine if thinking about moving to Clovis,
which is near Fresno. I'm looking for opinions on
the area, such as climate, quality of life, quality
of air, economy, etc..
TIA!
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> A friend of mine if thinking about moving to Clovis,
> which is near Fresno. I'm looking for opinions on
> the area, such as climate, quality of life, quality
> of air, economy, etc..
Your friend is stupid or crazy for wanting to live anywhere in the San
Joaquin valley.
If he lives in New York state, he should *stay* there.
Fresno has the third worst quality air in California, and farmers plow
up fungus spores that blow around, causing Valley Fever, which can
eventually cause a person to need an infected lung removed.
It's hotter than a motherfucker from Memorial Day until mid-September.
it gets up to 100 degrees by 2 PM every day. It's like sticking your
head in an oven.
And the area is overwhelmed with illegal aliens and Mexican
gangbangers.
The most notorious Mexican gang in Fresno are the Bulldogs, who shave
their heads and tattoo themselves (and their children) with dog
pawprints. They call themselves "the Dogs" and they bark at people who
stray into "their" barrios.
Fresno was the auto theft capital of California, last time I looked.
The unemployed gang bangers are going to get cars if they have to
steal them.
The biggest cash crop in California is marijuana. The Mexicans operate
illegal marijuana plantations in national parks like Yosemite and
Sequoia.
DEA helicopters are constantly looking for outdoors plantations, so
Mexicans excavate their back yards and grow weed underground.
Tens of thousands of ag workers are unemployed due to the government
cutting off irrigation water to western Fresno County,
Sean Hannity's "The Valley that Hope Forgot" story about western
Fresno County
is a crock of shit which depicts unemployed Mexicans whining about
having to stand in line for boxes of food from local food banks.
Mexicans *always* whine, it's what they do best, even when they are
driving Cadillac Escalades and paying for steaks and beer with welfare
cards and wads of hundred dollar bills.
The small town of Huron where Hannity filmed the story is a
Tiajuanaville mostly populated by illegal aliens. Its Mexican mayor
was recently arrested for corruption.
Huron is in the middle of what was always semi-desert land, and the
only reason it ever was developed agriculturally was because the
farmers were getting water robbed from the Sacramento river delta.
This causes the Delta Smelt, a small fish resembling an anchovy, to
get sucked into the irrigation pumps, and the farmers are pissing and
moaning about how "unfair" it is to cut off "their" irrigation water.
Actually, a lot of farmers "sold" their water rights to downstream
users.
The population of California is likely to grow 25% over the next 20
years if a comprehensive immigration reform bill speeds up the process
of allowing Mexicans to immigrate legally.
As it stands right now, half the population of Mexico wants to live in
the USA, because it's "better".
When the population of California reaches 50 million (it's over 30
million now), the
government will have to make the hard decision about whether to
allocate water to farmers or to human beings for sanitary purposes.
It's obvious that the priority will be for human needs, so the farmers
will have to go out of business.
And agriculture is 50% of California's economy! Where will all the
excess agricultural laborers work?
Also, those immigrants are going to want to drive private cars, which
will add to the air polution in the valley. The prevailing wind blows
from west to east, and the 14,000 foot tall Sierra Nevada mountains
hold the air polution in the valley.
Henry
> On Feb 1, 6:19 am, Henry <9-11tr...@experts.org> wrote:
>> A friend of mine if thinking about moving to Clovis,
>> which is near Fresno. I'm looking for opinions on
>> the area, such as climate, quality of life, quality
>> of air, economy, etc..
> Your friend is stupid or crazy for wanting to live anywhere in the San
> Joaquin valley.
Her family lives there (Clovis) and is pressuring her to join them.
> Fresno has the third worst quality air in California, and farmers plow
> up fungus spores that blow around, causing Valley Fever, which can
> eventually cause a person to need an infected lung removed.
> It's hotter than a motherfucker from Memorial Day until mid-September.
> it gets up to 100 degrees by 2 PM every day. It's like sticking your
> head in an oven.
The pollution, summer heat, and winter fog concerned me. She has
a bit of trouble with allergies and asthma, although living here
in the pristine Finger Lakes region of NY, it didn't seem to be
much of a problem.
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> The pollution, summer heat, and winter fog concerned me. She has
> a bit of trouble with allergies and asthma, although living here
> in the pristine Finger Lakes region of NY, it didn't seem to be
> much of a problem.
Well, she should know about Valley Fever then:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_fever
Fresno *is* the cultural capital of the county though. She might like
to read the events section of the Fresno Bee to see if there are
events she'd like to attend and things she likes to do.
Rob Kleinschmidt
> which is near Fresno. I'm looking for opinions on
> the area, such as climate, quality of life, quality
> of air, economy, etc..
> TIA!
I'm not real keen on the central valley myself, the one
exception being maybe some university towns. Pretty
hot in the summer. Close to the Sierras. Low housing
costs by California standards. Very agribusiness oriented.
Fairly conservative politically.
OK I guess if it's the right job or person that's the attraction.
I meet some likable enough people at rallys who hail from
the Fresno area. Your friend might want to take a look
beforehand.
My personal preference would be the coast range, Sierra
foothills, central coast or north of SF. I guess I'd also
include S.F., parts of L.A. and some of the towns and cities
near the coast.
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> Pretty hot in the summer. Close to the Sierras.
A lot of the mountain roads are closed from the end of October until
April, making
the Sierras inacessible for winter riding.
> Very agribusiness oriented.
You can translate agribusiness as "fascist". Agribusiness managers are
dedicated to squeezing their profit out of labor, so they keep
demanding more and more "guest workers," claiming that Americans
"don't want to do that kind of work."
Guess what? Mexicans don't want to do that kind of work either, and
they don't want their children to have to do that when they grow up.
So they make sure that the kids go to public schools and community
colleges.
But when the kids graduate, there's no work for them that they are
willing to do, so they leave the area, and there is always a demand
for more and more and more Mexican laborers to keep this stupid cycle
going.
And why do the agribusiness managers need to cut costs and squeeze a
profit out of cheap labor?
It's because 40% of California's budget is going to pay for educating
the children of the supposedly cheap laborers.
The solution to California's immigration problem should be obvious:
quit bringing in
Mexican labor and retrain the idle African American work force which
is sitting idle in places like Detroit.
But the problem with that is racism. California was brought into the
Union in 1850 as part of the Missouri Compromise. Negros, free or
slave, were not allowed in California.
And the San Joaquin valley farmers opposed Colonel Allensworth when he
tried to set up a farming colony of freed slaves after the Civil War.
Farmers poisoned wells and burned barns and crops and Colonel
Allensworth was murdered when a motorcyclist "accidentally" ran over
him. Twice.
Locals don't even want to *hear* the suggestion that African Americans
be brought to the valley to do farm work.
> Fairly conservative politically.
Of course the *farmers* and land owners are Republicans. The ag
workers are Mexicans and vote for Democrats.
> I meet some likable enough people at rallys who hail from
> the Fresno area.
People who own BMW's aren't like the mouth breathers that ride
cruisers around the valley.
> My personal preference would be the coast range, Sierra
> foothills, central coast or north of SF.
But it seems like it's never going to stop raining from November to
April along the coast north of San Francisco. My friend from high
school moved to Sacramento and he said that the sun never shines there
until late spring.
> I guess I'd also include S.F., parts of L.A. and some of the towns and cities
> near the coast.
San Luis Obisbo, Morro Bay, and points north along Hwy 1 are nice, but
locals are complaining about Mexican problems from Lompoc north
through Atascadero to Gilroy.
Rob Kleinschmidt
> Her family lives there (Clovis) and is pressuring her to join them.
> The pollution, summer heat, and winter fog concerned me. She has
> a bit of trouble with allergies and asthma, although living here
> in the pristine Finger Lakes region of NY, it didn't seem to be
> much of a problem.
She ought to make one or more extended visits before committing.
I'm moderately familiar with both Ithaca and Fresno and there's
quite a large difference. Do it on a trial basis if possible.
Allergies vary from person to person. I'm better in California than
NY. If they're a problem, best bet might be a bedroom with really
well filtered air. 8 hours a day in good air can sometimes get you
through another 16 where you're exposed to heavy irritants.
Some allergies can be very seasonal too, so you don't really know
how well you'll get on until you've spent a full year.
Henry
Thanks for the info, Rob. I'll pass it on. She visited over
Thanksgiving for a few days, but that's about it. I suppose she
can always come back if she doesn't like it long term...
Vito
[ The solution to California's immigration problem should be obvious:
[ quit bringing in Mexican labor and retrain the idle African American work
RR tried that back when he was governor of Ca - didn't work then & won't
work now. Them who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.
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> "@" <breoganmacbr...@yahoo.com> wrote
Well, I see only three more alternatives.
1. Convince the growers to sell their land and relocate to Chile or
Brazil to be close to their cheap labor source.
2. Pay Americans a living wage to pick fruit.
3. Genetically engineer smarter chimpanzees to pick the fruit, but
don't let labor organizers find out about the potential new union
brothers...
CS
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>
> A friend of mine if thinking about moving to Clovis,
> which is near Fresno. I'm looking for opinions on
> the area, such as climate, quality of life, quality
> of air, economy, etc..
> TIA!
It's been a few years since I was in Clovis, but I remember this:
Very nice area, nice folks, very conservative, pretty.
It's right next to Fresno. One inch past the sign that says "Welcome to
Fresno" is shithole.
And I do mean shithole.
The only way I'd live in Clovis is if they built a 50' wall all around
Fresno, complete with electrified barbed wire, machine gun towers,
minefields...
The problem with living in areas where "there are some nice places" right
next to shitholes is, all the goblins from the shitholes go 'shopping' in
the "nice places," since it doesn't do much good to steal from poor fuckers.
This means you have to lock up everything, including your fucking trash
cans, because whatever isn't tightly secured, and some of what is, will be
gone the next morning.
It's also nearly impossible to avoid the not-nice places, whether getting to
work, shopping, whatever.
This isn't a racial rant. Personally, I could care less whether the thief
is from a Barrio, Ghetto, or White Trash Dump. All that matters to me is
never being able to have nice things because some dickhead keeps stealing
it, painting graffiti on it, or breaking it.
Why is your friend thinking of moving, especially to CA? The job market
sucks, and it's only going to get worse as Sacramento tries to tax everybody
into bankruptcy. If it's for better weather, the West coast is good, but
Clovis isn't ideal, and it certainly isn't worth the problems.
CS
tomorrowat...@yahoo.com
This is nice, seeing Krusty help someone new to the group.
tomorrowat...@yahoo.com
Idiot. As long as the crops grown in CA can also be grown overseas
and imported more cheaply, Americans will buy the cheaper imported
version and let California landowners, farmers, and laborers go to
hell.
It's the American way.
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> It's been a few years since I was in Clovis, but I remember this:
>
> Very nice area, nice folks, very conservative, pretty.
All of California was nice and conservative before the Mexican
Depression started in 1972 and all the wetbacks started heading north.
Compare these demographics, and also realize that Fresno has an
Armenian problem and a Hmong problem...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clovis,_California#Demographics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresno,_California#Demographics
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> It's right next to Fresno. One inch past the sign that says "Welcome to
> Fresno" is shithole.
Most houses in the San Joaquin valley rent for at least $500 a month,
usually closer to $750 ~ $1000 a onth.
But there are parts of Fresno that are so run down, the landlords will
rent a house for $350 a month on an "as is" basis.
If the tenant wants any repairs done, he can't call the landlord, he
has to buy the materials and do the repairs himself.
But Mexicans are good at remodeling, so they jump right onto a deal
like that.
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<tomorrowaterolsdot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This is nice, seeing Krusty help someone new to the group.
In the classic verbiage of a Mexican gangbanger who's about to get
annoyed, "Don't worry about it, holmes."
@
> Idiot.
Egomaniac.
> As long as the crops grown in CA can also be grown overseas
> and imported more cheaply, Americans will buy the cheaper imported
> version and let California landowners, farmers, and laborers go to
> hell.
Who the fuck takes time to read labels on produce to see where it's
grown?
> It's the American way.
Hey, the Mayfair Market just down the block from where I lived in
Hollyweird decided to quit printing double coupons in their advertiser
in the Los Angeles Times, but it didn't hurt their business because
the movie stars and film
technicians that shopped there had tons of $$$$ and just didn't care
what anything cost.
I was standing in line with Brad Pitt one day and he was staring at
his American Express card as if he'd never seen it before.
I suppose his housekeeper did all his grocery shopping...
BryanUT
>
> Who the fuck takes time to read labels on produce to see where it's
> grown?
>
They look at the price. Most don't give a shit where their food comes
from.
CS
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On Feb 1, 3:50 pm, "CS" <donts...@sears.com> wrote:
> It's been a few years since I was in Clovis, but I remember this:
>
> Very nice area, nice folks, very conservative, pretty.
All of California was nice and conservative before the Mexican
Depression started in 1972 and all the wetbacks started heading north.
Compare these demographics, and also realize that Fresno has an
Armenian problem and a Hmong problem...
~~~~~~~~~~~
I don't much mind Armenians. In fact, when I needed a part for my pool
pump, nobody in my city wanted to work on Sunday, except Leslies, which
claimed these parts were real hot potatos...for this model pump...during
winter...
I had to go one city over, where the Armenian run pool shop had a shitload
of these things in stock, as well as other 'hard to find' stuff that Leslies
claims fly right off the shelves.
Then there's the Armenian run dry cleaners that's open on Saturdays, and the
Armenian barber who's cheap, cuts fast, cuts the way I want it, and works on
Sundays, and the bike shop which is a little pricey, but does better,
cheaper, and faster work than the dealer, who lets my bike sit around for
weeks before they get around to ordering parts.
I don't know about you, but since I got on a Monday through Friday work
schedule, I find it's a real pain in the ass to get anything done on my days
off. Most of these fuckspots around here are closed on the very days most
people with jobs are out trying to spend money.
Most Armenian businessmen here are armed, keeping crime rates down. They're
also friendly, helpful, and do good work.
I'm well aware of the scammer dickhead Armenians, who are so damn crooked
they can find a way to pull a scam on a fucking gumball machine. These guys
are easy to spot, once you know what to look for. I know it sounds cliche,
but it's easy to notice the buttholes in any race, that doesn't make them
all buttholes.
Don't much mind the Hmong or other Asians either. They generally keep to
themselves, especially when commiting crimes. Like most folks, they rather
steal from, rape, and/or kill those of their own race.
I hate to break this to you, but California has always been run by nutcases.
After the San Francisco quake of 1906, where piss poor building codes
resulted in collapsed buildings, the codes were...relaxed...to speed
economic recovery on the cheap.
CS
CS
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> I hate to break this to you, but California has always been run by nutcases.
Yes, I read Jack London's semi-autobiographical novel, "Martin Eden,"
in which he describes all the anarchists and radical socialists
hanging around San Francisco a century ago...
Between the socialist revolutions in Europe during the late 1840's and
the South Anerican countries opening the doors to all their prisons
and telling the convicts to head for California, we got a pandora's
box of assholes.
Speaking of Huron, in Fresno County, there is a marker west of
Interstate 5 that claims that the South American bandit known as
"Joaquin Murietta" was finally caught anf killed there. he and his
brother were *probably* among the released convicts.
S'mee
heh, last pachuco that said that to me ended up needing knee and elbow
surgery...last piece of white trash like you that said that was never
seen again. OH and your advice sucks. Rob has the better info and
advice.
S'mee
well then I guess that just proves I'm better than the average
american...I read the labels and pay attention to WHERE it came from.
Unlike the lower class types that shop based on JUST the price.
S'mee
I can FIX your problem purty damn quick...quit shopping at wal-marx
you idiot.
The Older Gentleman
> I was standing in line with Brad Pitt one day
Sure you were.
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> heh, last pachuco that said that to me ended up needing knee and elbow
> surgery...last piece of white trash like you that said that was never
> seen again.
Now, calm down, Snookums, or I'll have to put you down for a nappy
again.
Here's your widdle pacifier: 3==D
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> well then I guess that just proves I'm better than the average
> american...I read the labels (snip)
Isn't pwecious widdle snookums pwecocious? Yes, he is! He's a *big
boy* now!
And it only took 44 years for snookums to wearn to wead...
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Fruit) wrote:
> @ <breoganmacbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I was standing in line with Brad Pitt one day
>
> Sure you were.
Shut up.
I was in a different supermarket when I encountered John Thomas (he
played John Boy on "The Waltons.") We just smiled and nodded and I
respected his privacy by saying nothing.
I used to encounter into public figures, celebrities, and those who
had their 15 minutes of fame very frequently when I lived in
Hollyweird.
Like, I met "Dave" one day. He's the kid whose father got mad at his
wife, so the
attention-seeking father set the kid on fire, hoping to come out of
the deal smelling like a hero.
I met Kirk Douglas in an elevator once. He had a doctor's appointment
in the same building that the agency I was working for had their
office. I was there to collect my paycheck, so I didn't bother Mr.
Douglas. My co-worker had to make a big deal about recognizing the
celebrity, though.
I met O. J. Simpson's erstwhile house guest Kato Kaelin twice. I
recognized him and he just smiled.
Kirsty Alley waddled across my field of vision at the motorcyle
hangout once, and Nicholas Cage snubbed all the bikers by refusing to
acknowledge any of us.
Jay Leno used to hang with the bikers there before he got famous and
started going to the Rock Store on Saturday mornings.
I also met Brad Dourif at the hangout. He played the role of Billy,
the kid who committed suicide in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest."
Oh, and I had a speaking part in a movie that was filmed at the
hangout. It was called "Crazy Planet." My line was "What a crazy
planet!"
The production company didn't have a permit to film in the park, so
they had to leave.
I also used to get into staring contests with LAPD chief William
Brattan at Mayfair Market and at the donut shop in the strip mall next
door to the apartment building where I lived in Hollyweird.
S'mee
actually you illiterate fatherless virgin...I've been reading
approximately 40 of those years adn that's a fact. 8^) Unlike you who
still use a speak and spell app to read usenet...man the welfare dept
in california will do anything for deviants like you.
S'mee
ROTFLMAO you are such a LIAR it's hilarious! lol...almost as funny as
all those fruitcakes you claim as family.
S'mee
Aww, cute he thinks he's man enough to raise children know...what a
ignorant, uneducated, illiterate, illegitamate piece of sailor trash.
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> Aww, cute he thinks he's man enough to raise children know...what a
> ignorant, uneducated, illiterate, illegitamate piece of sailor trash.
Time for you nappy, Snookums.
Here's your baba: 3==D
S'mee
<YAWN> you are so pathetic it's boring me to sleep...anyway you show
that around here and I'll just show you the end of it you've never
seen. IF I'm in a good mood I'll even cauterize the stump....would you
prefer I use the steak knife OR the rusty, dull hacksaw blade?
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tomorrowat...@yahoo.com
> I was standing in line with Brad Pitt one day
Egomaniac.
tomorrowat...@yahoo.com
Egomaniac.
Liar.
Sociopath.
Racist.
S'mee
who are you talking to? Your delusions are truely hilarious, madam
goatse.
S'mee
Mark Olson
I stood in line next to David Sedaris at a Bruegger's Bagel shop
once, and you don't hear me bragging about it.
It was all I could do to avoid patting him on the head.
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> I stood in line next to David Sedaris at a Bruegger's Bagel shop
> once, and you don't hear me bragging about it.
>
> It was all I could do to avoid patting him on the head.
Or the tush?
S'mee
Who the fuck is David Sedaris? A wrench for a racing team?
S'mee
Well, that's all a chickenhawk like you is interested in Goatse...by
the way your mom (tub girl) called and was mad that you don't call or
write and you STILL haven't given her back her prom dress...the one
you loaned your boyfriend.
@
> Well, that's all (snip)
Why are you still stuck in high school mode?
S'mee
aww poor kid...never made to the big leagues did you? You are just mad
I found out tub girl is your mother...
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<stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> aww poor kid...never made to the big leagues did you? You are just mad
> I found out tub girl is your mother...
Your supply of responses is rather limited, isn't it.
How did a retard like you ever get into the Army?
S'mee
> On Feb 3, 7:17 am, "Special Olympics Stevie"
>
> <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > aww poor kid...never made to the big leagues did you? You are just mad
> > I found out tub girl is your mother...
>
> Your supply of responses is rather limited, isn't it.
No I dumb it down 100iq points so a inbred backstabbing thief like you
can understand...you don't deserve to exist and NOBODY owes you
anything except for contempt and a moment to pray before you take a
bullet to the head. I just dumbed it down so a degenerate serf like
you could understand.
> How did a retard like you ever get into the Army?
By being overqualified...scored the highest asvab score in over 20
years, could have had any MOS I wanted. So I did them BOTH...though
financially photo interp would have paid better. But if you were
wondering...no you still can't join. YOUR sexual deviance isn't
allowed in the military, not even the pakistani army allows it.
@
wrote:
> > How did a retard like you ever get into the Army?
>
> By being overqualified...scored the highest asvab score in over 20
> years, could have had any MOS I wanted.
BFD. Only total mouthbreathers aren't promised the Moon to get them to
enlist.
> But if you were wondering...no you still can't join.
I completed my military obligation and had my final discharge before
you were ever born, sonny.
S'mee
> On Feb 3, 6:06 pm, "Special Olympics Steve" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > > How did a retard like you ever get into the Army?
>
> > By being overqualified...scored the highest asvab score in over 20
> > years, could have had any MOS I wanted.
>
> BFD. Only total mouthbreathers aren't promised the Moon to get them to
> enlist.
actually I joined for two reasons...money and they let me blow up
cities. 8^) I LOVE making hundreds of thousands homeless...the wails
of the displaced, the screams...
> > But if you were wondering...no you still can't join.
>
> I completed my military obligation and had my final discharge before
> you were ever born, sonny.
Liar, I've seen the paper work...4F for sexual deviant behaviour. It's
a bit a question WHY you didn't end up in jail back then, guess I'll
have to get my data diggers back to work.
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> > I completed my military obligation and had my final discharge before
> > you were ever born, sonny.
>
> guess I'll have to get my data diggers back to work.
Your "data diggers" are your fingers inside your dirty diaper, Baby
Snookums.
S'mee
as far as you know old chickenhawk.