Rustoleum wrinkling on 2nd coat!?
Jeffrey Lefstin
I sprayed on a coat of "Painter's Touch" gloss white. Went on fine over
Krlyon primer, looked great, I think "Hey, Rustoleum's good stuff."
24 hours later, I sand out some dust spots and spray another coat on...
... and I get a bunch of wrinkles! Not everywhere - mostly the really
hard to sand places.
The can says recoat within 1 hour or after 24... the only thing I can
think of is that the recoat window is a little longer then they claim.
Especially where the paint is thick. Can I avoid this problem by waiting
more than 24 hours?
The only other thing that touched the rocket was a tack cloth, but I
wiped the rocket pretty thoroughly with the cloth before the 1st coat &
the 1st coat went on fine.
Oh well.. back to the sanding board... and probably to Krlyon "recoat
anytime" for my next project. Any thoughts appreciated.
Mike Burch
Rustoleum can be a real pain in the ass! As for my experience's I would let
it sit a week in between coats. I have trashed up several really nice
paint jobs by applying the second coat too early. This paint has to totally
dry out before the second app. If you don't really need that specific
color stick to krylon. You can get a really nice finish after about 6 to 8
coats. Krylon has been much more user friendly for me.
Good luck.
Mike Burch
Berkley, Michigan.
Greg Cisko
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> Having heard all the "Don't paint your Saturn V with Krylon" warnings:
>
> I sprayed on a coat of "Painter's Touch" gloss white. Went on fine over
> Krlyon primer, looked great, I think "Hey, Rustoleum's good stuff."
>
> 24 hours later, I sand out some dust spots and spray another coat on...
>
> ... and I get a bunch of wrinkles! Not everywhere - mostly the really
> hard to sand places.
Yep... It is a feature.
> The can says recoat within 1 hour or after 24... the only thing I can
I think it should have said that you should recoat after 1-3 hours
or 4-5 days. If you don't do it within 3 hours, it must *COMPLETELY*
dry.
> think of is that the recoat window is a little longer then they claim.
> Especially where the paint is thick. Can I avoid this problem by waiting
> more than 24 hours?
Yes. The problem is the paint was only sort of really dried.
--
Greg Cisko
paint I have tried on my rockets will do this.
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Mercury Redstone I received some Rustoleum painters choice for free..........so
I thought I would give it a try. The white went on nicely. Now I masked it off
the next day and sprayed the black. WHAT A MESS! Wrinkles all over but mostly
in the fillet area. I finished this rocket the day before I left for LDRS to
use as a display for my new kit. When I get more time I will sand it down and
try again. Oh well.........live and learn.
Bill Rossi
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I don't care for 'Rustoleum' because it's so heavy, and I've
experienced results similar to the one you mentioned. Krylon is great
stuff and is available in a wider selection of colors. However, I
prefer 'Plasti-kote' Ultra Enamel. It's a sort of epoxy paint and
behaves like Krylon, but once it's dried you can't hardly remove it
with anything but a hammer. I used to buy it at Checker Auto Parts but
Pep Boys sells it now.
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application.
The paint I've had good luck with is the Ace brand, available at the
local Ace hardware store. It comes in a reasonable variety of colors
and is a LOT less expensive than Krylon, etc. I've had good luck with
2nd and 3rd coats on it, too.
-Kevin
Gordon McGrew
At the risk of enhancing my reputation as a contrarian, I will say that I like
Rustoleum (the regular kind - haven't used Painter's Touch.) I did have a
problem with wrinkling one time but I think I have the hang of using it now. My
secret is to not wait a long time between coats. I got this idea from someone
in this forum.
Start with a fully cured primer coat. The first paint coat is very light
leaving a very blotchy appearance. After five minutes of drying (70F, light
wind) I apply a second, slightly heavier coat concentrating on the thin areas.
After five or ten minutes a third, more thorough coat is applied. Finally,
after another five to ten minutes I apply a heavy coat making sure all surfaces
are left glossy wet. Then the piece goes into the shed where hopefully
temperatures will exceed 80 or 90F over the next 24 hours. The piece can then
be handled gently but I think it takes several days or even a week or two for a
complete cure. This has produced the best finishes that I have achieved so far.
The early light coats seem to prevent the final coat from sagging or running.
On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 00:14:22 GMT, Kevin Trojanowski <tr...@nospam.home.com>
wrote:
Neil Tarasoff
Oh common, Tai Fu comments on stuff he has never tried or used.
Go for it! 8-)
Neil Tarasoff
Leonard Fehskens
wrote
>I've never used Rustoleum on rockets, so I cannot comment on it in that
>application.
I've used it extensively and have had great results. But I do my recoats
within the 1 hour window. Otherwise I wait a week (weekend to weekend).
len.
Andy Waddell
half-dozen cans or so for two reasons, unless I can't get Krylon in a
similar color:
1) The Rustoleum seems to be very prone to plugging the nozzle midway
through the can no matter how much shaking you do before and during. Kind of
a PITA to be halfway through a rocket and have to go out and get another can
of the same thing because the first one plugged up. (Obviously twice as
expensive that way, too).
2) It takes a LOT longer to dry. With Krylon I can handle the rocket in a
few hours, with Rustoleum the next day, minimum. Of course both should be
left for at least a week for good curing, but the Krylon's much faster to
keep working with, IMHO.
I've always had great luck with Krylon; Len's had good luck with Rustoleum.
'Spose it's all a matter of personal taste, but I definitely lean toward the
Krylon.
--
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Kevin Trojanowski
guy has heard from some Andy Shecter guy that John Cato says that Jerry
Irvine says that Bob Fortune told him about Gene Constanza talking about
some guy who goes by the name of Leonard Fehskens says that Rustoleum
works just fine...
-Kevin "Neil TOLD me to do it!" Trojanowski
Chris Taylor Jr.
a second either in less than X time OR youmust wait to AFTER x time (which i
think is 48 or 72 hours if you miss the X time after first coat)
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Chris Taylor Jr.
BUT once you pass that early time YOU MUST wait until it is fully dry
Otherwise it is most wonderful paint. Very nice coating and hard to run
Nice finishes. ALthough it if you put it on too thick is may not run but it
will take anywhere from forever to never to full dry it always seems to be a
little soft for a LOOOOOONG time
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Crussell51
Paint happens..
Chas, NAR 9790
Steven Piette
>
> I've always avoided Rustoleum after using it a few years ago for a
> half-dozen cans or so for two reasons, unless I can't get Krylon in a
> similar color:
I just want to add that the Rustoleum Metalics paint seems to be quite
different from the rest of the Rustoleum branded paints. It drys quite
quickly, wet sands well, and can be overcoated as soon as it's dry.
Make sure to shake the can well or the flakes will come out all at once
and you flock your rocket...
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to dry VERY quickly, like 10-15 minutes.
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Kurt Kesler
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Maybe we should start a club...
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Neil Tarasoff
You left out Tai Fu. 8-)
Neil (I have NOT used Rustoleum) Tarasoff
Gene Costanza
BTW, it's C-O-S-T-A-N-Z-A. :-)>
Like that damn GEORGE, dammit!
I use Painter's Touch whenever I actually PAINT a rocket. (Mark Simpson told me
NEVER to paint a rocket before its first pass.) GOTSTA, GOTSTA, GOTSTA, do a
hair dryer or (low setting) heat gun between coats, though. Makes all the diff.
in the world. Killer coats...
METRA BOD
TRA #07107
NAR #74503
Brian Jarvis
"killer coat"?
--the walrus
Kevin Trojanowski
for $19.99 the other day. Does a GREAT job on its low setting on 3M
window seal kits...
Gonna use that puppy to help kick off epoxy when I fiberglass tubes.
Used a hair dryer last time and it helped reduce the drying time a bit.
-Kevin
Gene Costanza
heat gun, while the better 'tool', generates scads of heat and requires
a lighter touch and assurance you don't locally overheat a spot (it
could delaminate the airframe).
Here's a synopsis (assuming a ready-to-paint airframe):
-Light primer coat
-Heat and 'dry' paint throughout EVENLY (NOTE:paint is NOT dry when the
exposed part seems to be; the lower paint strata are still curing and
need a little bit of time to cure. The ROT I use is that when the
airframe seems to have returned to room temperature (by touch), I move
on.
-LIGHT!!! sanding with 320 or higher sandpaper. Although I don't
necessarily recommend it, I've laid three light coats of primer and two
coats of color on a rocket without sanding and it looked pretty
spankin'. In my guesstimate, sanding between coats may lend to more
longevity. But it can be done otherwise.
-Repeat as many (or few) primer coats with a subsequent 'curing' cycle
of even heat.
-After last coat of primer allow to sit at room temp. for several hours,
then lightly sand with fine sandpaper, wipe with a tack cloth (a clean
cotton T you ain't usin' no mo' follows the tack cloth nice, too) and
spray on a light color coat.
-Do alternating color coats/heat curing cycles until you like how it
looks or you're sick of doing it.
--
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Mark Simpson
It's nice to know that you listened to my painting (or lack thereof) advice. Now,
to really surprise you, I do paint...occasionally, and I PREFER Rustoleum to Krylon
every time. No contest. Rustoleum hides better, runs less, give higher gloss with
less work and dries to a harder shell. What else could you ask from a rattle can?
;-)
Mark Simpson
NAR 71503 Level II
BTW, I just finished covering my in-process Bruiser EXP "Woody" in wood-grained
contact paper. It looks great.
Mark Simpson
It's nice to know that you listened to my painting (or lack thereof) advice. Now,
to really surprise you, I do paint...occasionally, and I PREFER Rustoleum to Krylon
every time. No contest. Rustoleum hides better, runs less, give higher gloss with
less work and dries to a harder shell. What else could you ask from a rattle can?
;-)
Mark Simpson
NAR 71503 Level II
BTW, I just finished covering my in-process Bruiser EXP "Woody" in wood-grained
contact paper. It looks great.
Lewis Garrow
like better are automotive lacquers - but they are more expensive and more
toxic.
now how do you paint the contact paper.......8^D
Mark Simpson wrote in message <3A526E1C...@home.com>...
Steven Piette
Since you follow Mark's painting system, when do you apply the kitty litter?
L.C.
(20 minutes, 2 hours?) or not within about 48 hours. Wrinkling
is the price for nonconformance. It's a pain.
-Larry C.
Bruce Kirchner
>Since you follow Mark's painting system, when do you apply the kitty litter?<
Actually, that's one of my techniques, Steve. Interesting texture.
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Steven Piette
>
> Steve Piette wrote:
>
> >Since you follow Mark's painting system, when do you apply the kitty litter?<
>
> Actually, that's one of my techniques, Steve. Interesting texture.
How quickly the memory goes. I couldn't quite remember if it was you or Mark.
So you say Mark doesn't actually drop his paint jobs in a box of kitty litter
<(:-)
markws...@my-deja.com
Besides, how on earth would I get such realistic wood-like appearances
on my rockets using paint? Don't answer, it was a rhetorical question.
:-)
I am considering doing a 5.5" diameter rocket using wood veneer in
place of fiberglass and contact paper. Imagine a high performance wood-
grained Phoenix.......... I can see it now.....
Mark Simpson
NAR 71503 Level II
In article <92u0m5$8a7$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>,
markws...@my-deja.com
That would be Bruce. Mine just look like they've been dragged through
the litter box because I hate filling, sanding and painting. <bg>
Mark Simpson
NAR 71503 Level II
In article <3A533B61...@simon.chi.il.us>,
Lewis Garrow
markws...@my-deja.com wrote in message <92vn66$c67$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
Steven Piette
>
> Steve,
> That would be Bruce. Mine just look like they've been dragged through
> the litter box because I hate filling, sanding and painting. <bg>
>
I forgot for a moment in my quest to develop something approaching wit.
Your rockets, all look like the inside of my kitchen cabinets.
Steve "starting to really get cabin fever" Piette
Mark Simpson
progress. After I get sick of wood-grained paper, I'm switching to
marble-esque contact paper and using the two part fake marble paint for the
nosecones. They'll be my ROCK-et series. ;-)
Mark Simpson
NAR 71503 Level II
Steven Piette
>
> Did you see my pix on ABMR? I posted a picture of my Bruiser EXP "Woody" in
> progress. After I get sick of wood-grained paper, I'm switching to
> marble-esque contact paper and using the two part fake marble paint for the
> nosecones. They'll be my ROCK-et series. ;-)
>
trailer trash contact paper available and use it once. You'll never loose
it and no one will ever forget it. After a while the team 1 guys will pay
you to leave it at home.
Mark Simpson
Maybe the Team 1 guys would chip in and buy me a bigger motor, hoping that the
rocket got lost. ;-)
Mark Simpson
NAR 71503 Level II
Bruce Kirchner
>but you really need to find some of the most annoying trailer trash contact
paper available<
Mark Simpson wrote:
>Maybe the Team 1 guys would chip in and buy me a bigger motor, hoping that the
rocket got lost<
Don't know 'bout that but you may be able to pick up some trailer trash contact
paper real cheap. The Sears Hardware in Farmington Hills be goin' out of
bizzness and be liquidatin' everthin'.
--
Bruce Kirchner
TRA L2 #5888
Mark Simpson
Pick me up a hundred or so rolls. ;-)
Mark Simpson
NAR 71503 Level II
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I have found Rustolem to be a good paint,BUT it doesn't dry quickly and if you put it on kinda thick YOU got to wait until you cannot SMELL any solvents coming from it,about double the time for both paint and primer.
So put it all on at one time or several small coats,and leave it alone,IF you going with a clear coat,do ALL the sanding when in primer,not in color or clear
I spray a test piece at the same time ,and wait until it's not tackie sometime twice as long as recommended.
and smell for solvents,if you smell them leave it alone for a while longer,because it isn't dry yet,
I spray guitars and screw one of those up and learn to let it dry.
Krylon and all the others will wrinkle too.So no thick coats,
My best application is 2 light coats of color and wait at least a hour then 3/4 of a wet coat,most of the time it will dry glossed out,a full heavy wet coat and it most likely krinkle,
I do use a fan to help dry the paint and DO wear a mask when spraying (read warnings on can) brain seizures,headaches ect.
BEST of LUCK !
SKY
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> At the risk of enhancing my reputation as a contrarian, I will say that I like
> Rustoleum (the regular kind - haven't used Painter's Touch.) I did have a
> problem with wrinkling one time but I think I have the hang of using it now. My
> secret is to not wait a long time between coats. I got this idea from someone
> in this forum.
>
> Start with a fully cured primer coat. The first paint coat is very light
> leaving a very blotchy appearance. After five minutes of drying (70F, light
> wind) I apply a second, slightly heavier coat concentrating on the thin areas.
> After five or ten minutes a third, more thorough coat is applied. Finally,
> after another five to ten minutes I apply a heavy coat making sure all surfaces
> are left glossy wet. Then the piece goes into the shed where hopefully
> temperatures will exceed 80 or 90F over the next 24 hours. The piece can then
> be handled gently but I think it takes several days or even a week or two for a
> complete cure. This has produced the best finishes that I have achieved so far.
>
> The early light coats seem to prevent the final coat from sagging or running.
> On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 00:14:22 GMT, Kevin Trojanowski <tr...@nospam.home.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I've never used Rustoleum on rockets, so I cannot comment on it in that
> >application.
> >
> >The paint I've had good luck with is the Ace brand, available at the
> >local Ace hardware store. It comes in a reasonable variety of colors
> >and is a LOT less expensive than Krylon, etc. I've had good luck with
> >2nd and 3rd coats on it, too.
> >
> >-Kevin
> >Jeffrey Lefstin wrote:
> >>
> >> Having heard all the "Don't paint your Saturn V with Krylon" warnings:
> >>
> >> I sprayed on a coat of "Painter's Touch" gloss white. Went on fine over
> >> Krlyon primer, looked great, I think "Hey, Rustoleum's good stuff."
> >>
> >> 24 hours later, I sand out some dust spots and spray another coat on...
> >>
> >> ... and I get a bunch of wrinkles! Not everywhere - mostly the really
> >> hard to sand places.
> >>
> >> The can says recoat within 1 hour or after 24... the only thing I can
> >> think of is that the recoat window is a little longer then they claim.
> >> Especially where the paint is thick. Can I avoid this problem by waiting
> >> more than 24 hours?
> >>
> >> The only other thing that touched the rocket was a tack cloth, but I
> >> wiped the rocket pretty thoroughly with the cloth before the 1st coat &
> >> the 1st coat went on fine.
> >>
> >> Oh well.. back to the sanding board... and probably to Krlyon "recoat
> >> anytime" for my next project. Any thoughts appreciated.
dog...@gmail.com
> Having heard all the "Don't paint your Saturn V with Krylon" warnings:
>
> I sprayed on a coat of "Painter's Touch" gloss white. Went on fine over
> Krlyon primer, looked great, I think "Hey, Rustoleum's good stuff."
>
> 24 hours later, I sand out some dust spots and spray another coat on...
>
> ... and I get a bunch of wrinkles! Not everywhere - mostly the really
> hard to sand places.
>
> The can says recoat within 1 hour or after 24... the only thing I can
> think of is that the recoat window is a little longer then they claim.
> Especially where the paint is thick. Can I avoid this problem by waiting
> more than 24 hours?
>
> The only other thing that touched the rocket was a tack cloth, but I
> wiped the rocket pretty thoroughly with the cloth before the 1st coat &
> the 1st coat went on fine.
>
> Oh well.. back to the sanding board... and probably to Krlyon "recoat
> anytime" for my next project. Any thoughts appreciated.
matt...@gmail.com
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> Having heard all the "Don't paint your Saturn V with Krylon" warnings:
>
> I sprayed on a coat of "Painter's Touch" gloss white. Went on fine over
> Krlyon primer, looked great, I think "Hey, Rustoleum's good stuff."
>
> 24 hours later, I sand out some dust spots and spray another coat on...
>
> ... and I get a bunch of wrinkles! Not everywhere - mostly the really
> hard to sand places.
>
> The can says recoat within 1 hour or after 24... the only thing I can
> think of is that the recoat window is a little longer then they claim.
> Especially where the paint is thick. Can I avoid this problem by waiting
> more than 24 hours?
>
> The only other thing that touched the rocket was a tack cloth, but I
> wiped the rocket pretty thoroughly with the cloth before the 1st coat &
> the 1st coat went on fine.
>
> Oh well.. back to the sanding board... and probably to Krlyon "recoat
> anytime" for my next project. Any thoughts appreciated.
chw...@aol.com
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> Every 2nd coat makes it wrinkle with rust ileum never have that problem with krylon. I'll never buy rustoleum again. It's a fucking pain in the ass.
OR
Your coats must be within 15 min of each other…
But if you are sanding, you absolutely have to wait at least 2 days…. I wait a week… then I sand… and reapply the coat
The patience pays off, as the coating is very very glossy.
Ouisie
floor finish top coat.
Dana Thorne
> Airbrushing might be what's needed...with a "Future" or similar acrylic
> floor finish top coat