Olympic tae kwon do tv schedule
Eddie G
Does anyone know the TV schedule for tae kwon do?
I'll be on vacation and want to set the DVR.
Thanks!
Eddie G
SPORTfighter
I'd only watch if they did the right thing...
put the TKD, Judo, wrestling, boxing,greco, weightlifting, decathalon
and speed walking gold medalists into an 8 man MMA tournament.
My guess
1 greco
2 freestyle wrestling
3 judo
4 weightlifting
5 boxing
6 decathalon
And cause tkd's so rad....i bet it would come in ahead of the guys who
can walk like nobodies buisness.
zxcv
Why do you put greco ahead of freestyle? Aren't all of the throws in
greco legal in free so they would at least be familiar with defending
them? Shouldn't the freestyle guys be able to single/double-leg the
greco guys and then g-n-p?
Reid
As far as I can tell they are not going to be on tv anywhere. If you
find out differently, I'd love to watch.
Reid P.
Don Geddis
> On Aug 11, 2:02 pm, SPORTfighter <billamaho...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> put the TKD, Judo, wrestling, boxing,greco, weightlifting, decathalon
>> and speed walking gold medalists into an 8 man MMA tournament.
>> My guess
>> 1 greco
>> 2 freestyle wrestling
>
> greco legal in free so they would at least be familiar with defending
> them? Shouldn't the freestyle guys be able to single/double-leg the
> greco guys and then g-n-p?
That was the logical theory, when MMA started.
But the empirical evidence (and, aren't we glad that MMA is actually an
experimental science, rather than a mere tradition of "just-so" stories?)
is that the greco-roman guys have a better base to adapt to MMA. They wind
up being able to use more of their training during the MMA match.
We can discuss all day why it might be so ... how strikes change the clinch
game and the shot, etc. But it's pretty clear at this point that the
greco guys have an advantage over the freestyle guys, when competing in MMA.
-- Don
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SPORTfighter
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greco guys tend to do better in mma.
it does seem odd given that freestyle has less retrictive rules.But
ive a theory that in many places, as the usa, most wrestlers probably
started in collegiate or freestyle, or folkstyle, so they know all
about attacking the legs, and at the same time cause they did greco,
they developed the ability to wrestle with their head up.
a greco stance is much more like an mma stance.
suds macheath
---Where's the BJJ?
YumYumPandaburger
>
> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
He mentioned Judo, didn't he.
SPORTfighter
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
watching olympic judo is like watching softcore porn.The whole time im
thinking "wow, this is so close to being really cool."
suds macheath
---BJJ's not Judo, Judo's not BJJ....
suds macheath
---And the wrestling is like watching *gay* softcore porn...
The whole time im
> thinking "wow, this is so close to being really cool."
----It is cool....but you weren't very good at it and quit, didn't you?
YumYumPandaburger
Another victim of the Gracie's marketing ploy
SPORTfighter
yes, but thats not why i quit.I quit cause i broke the assistant
instructers arm in a jujigatame and they made it seem like i did
something wrong.well that and the 30 minutes of breakfalls when they
only found time for 5 minutes randori.it was really annoying.But i
dont mean to rip judo, but these guys are sick athletes and the sport
at the highest level is just so contrived so many rules open to
interpretation.
basically guys walk at each other, both get a grip and try and throw,
the grip breaks ,maybe one stumbles to a knee, they break apart and
repeat over and over.just seems its changed athlets so explosive they
dont dance around in the tie up trying to unbalance, they just try and
brutally toss each other soon after a grip is in.and thats to say
nothing of the constant breaks and the bizzarre groundwork.
i mean shoulderlocks,guillotines kneebars, they are banned cause they
can cause injury...but now we know they are safe as armbars.so why not
allow them? why? cause those in charge did not learn to allow them as
kids, so they dodnt want them allowed.bullshit traditional crap.they
are part of the judo sylabus, they should be allowed.THAT is judo.
when judo guys say bjj is really judo bjjsers go into denail and say
wrong.
THEY rea wrong to say that.What i would say to a judo guy ripping me
that way were i a bjjer id say "yes, bjj IS judo...too bad judo isnt
judo anymore"
theyd have a point.
flying armbars kicking ass? ban them.Guys grabbing belts and getting
new pick ups and dumps? make it so you can cling to the belt.
thats kinda bullshit has transformed judo into something weird.no one
intented it to become what it is and yet incrementally it did.
ok picture a bicycle.
take away the seat what is it? a bike without a seat.
now the handlebars what is it? a bike without the seat and handle bars
maybe? maybe its just some parts to a bike.
at this point olympic judo is some parts to judo.not judo.not saying i
like the traditional style much either, i like that its a combat sport
and not tma bullshit, but to me its just an odd sport.most sports i
got some issue with, but with judo i got alot.Like instead of standing
them up the instant theres no progression in groundwork say fuck it
and take all groundwork out.it seems almost a weird antiquated part
now that occasionally pops up, but it makes reffing so subjective that
the sport becomes less purist.seems contrived.guys in judo for year
can love it sure, but an mma match even a bjj match can be grasped by
people seeing it the firts time pretty fast.at a judo match i still
find mysle thinking alot"how did that guy just win?" "how the fuck is
that ippon and the last one wasnt?" "whyd he just stand him up?" ok, i
dont love it cause i dony understand it.
im not einstein but i trained judo, train with a ton of them and am a
grappler for a long time and watch it on tv when its on and one the
web all the time and have for well over a decade.that i only mostly
understand it is a huge problem.no fucking way does a nonjudo person
get it when he happens on it.
its still poplular for now, but i think its slowly dying.hopefully
theyll wise up.
bjjs boring as shit but at least i know whats going on.
soccer the worlds biggest sport is like watching grass grow, but at
least anyone from any culture can understand it with no issues.
SPORTfighter
half right.
SPORTfighter
bet on the guy absurdly tall for his weight class in any game of tag.
prediction Yao Ming gets gold in TKD.
suds macheath
> On Aug 13, 11:57 am, suds macheath <sudsmcd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> SPORTfighter wrote:
>>> On Aug 12, 7:23 am, YumYumPandaburger <theoriginald...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 12 aug, 11:59, suds macheath <sudsmcd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> SPORTfighter wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 11, 12:28 pm, Eddie G <egoldb...@amh.org> wrote:
>>>>>> And cause tkd's so rad....i bet it would come in ahead of the guys who
>>>>>> can walk like nobodies buisness.
>>>>> ---Where's the BJJ?- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>>>> He mentioned Judo, didn't he.- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> watching olympic judo is like watching softcore porn.
>> ---And the wrestling is like watching *gay* softcore porn...
>>
>> The whole time im
>>
>>> thinking "wow, this is so close to being really cool."
>> ----It is cool....but you weren't very good at it and quit, didn't you?
>
> yes, but thats not why i quit.I quit cause i broke the assistant
> instructers arm in a jujigatame and they made it seem like i did
> something wrong.
---You did. I played judo for years and never broke anyone's arm. Slight
dislocation maybe....
well that and the 30 minutes of breakfalls when they
> only found time for 5 minutes randori.
---At my kid's school the only breakfalls they do are a couple front
rolls at the beginning of class.
it was really annoying.But i
> dont mean to rip judo, but these guys are sick athletes and the sport
> at the highest level is just so contrived so many rules open to
> interpretation.
----You got that right.
> basically guys walk at each other, both get a grip
----Not any grip....it has to be a "legal one".
and try and throw,
> the grip breaks ,maybe one stumbles to a knee, they break apart and
> repeat over and over.just seems its changed athlets so explosive they
> dont dance around in the tie up trying to unbalance, they just try and
> brutally toss each other soon after a grip is in.
---The unbalance happens, it's just very quick.
and thats to say
> nothing of the constant breaks and the bizzarre groundwork.
> i mean shoulderlocks,guillotines kneebars, they are banned cause they
> can cause injury...but now we know they are safe as armbars.so why not
> allow them?
why? cause those in charge did not learn to allow them as
> kids, so they dodnt want them allowed.bullshit traditional crap.they
> are part of the judo sylabus, they should be allowed.THAT is judo.
> when judo guys say bjj is really judo bjjsers go into denail and say
> wrong.
> THEY rea wrong to say that.What i would say to a judo guy ripping me
> that way were i a bjjer id say "yes, bjj IS judo...too bad judo isnt
> judo anymore"
Judo's not BJJ. There aren't any pins in BJJ, so the groundwork goals
are different. I see where you're coming from though, I became
disillusioned with the sport partly because of the rule changes you
mentioned.
> theyd have a point.
> flying armbars kicking ass? ban them.Guys grabbing belts and getting
> new pick ups and dumps? make it so you can cling to the belt.
----I agree. You should be able to pin any way you can manage to uke's
shoulder down. You should be able to grip the jacket on the same side
with both hands, ect...
> thats kinda bullshit has transformed judo into something weird.no one
> intented it to become what it is and yet incrementally it did.
> ok picture a bicycle.
> take away the seat what is it? a bike without a seat.
> now the handlebars what is it? a bike without the seat and handle bars
> maybe? maybe its just some parts to a bike.
> at this point olympic judo is some parts to judo.not judo.not saying i
> like the traditional style much either, i like that its a combat sport
> and not tma bullshit, but to me its just an odd sport.most sports i
> got some issue with, but with judo i got alot.Like instead of standing
> them up the instant theres no progression in groundwork say fuck it
> and take all groundwork out.
---Everyone wants to see throws.
it seems almost a weird antiquated part
> now that occasionally pops up, but it makes reffing so subjective that
> the sport becomes less purist.seems contrived.guys in judo for year
> can love it sure, but an mma match even a bjj match can be grasped by
> people seeing it the firts time pretty fast.
---I know some about grappling, and I gotta tell ya, when they go to
guard in an MMA match I switch the channel to Wed Nite Boxing.
at a judo match i still
> find mysle thinking alot"how did that guy just win?" "how the fuck is
> that ippon and the last one wasnt?" "whyd he just stand him up?" ok, i
> dont love it cause i dony understand it.
---You gotta point. When I plyed, you had to throw the guy *hard* on his
back to gut an ippon.Now they have these rolling ippons that to me would
score wazari at best.
> im not einstein but i trained judo, train with a ton of them and am a
> grappler for a long time and watch it on tv when its on and one the
> web all the time and have for well over a decade.that i only mostly
> understand it is a huge problem.no fucking way does a nonjudo person
> get it when he happens on it.
> its still poplular for now, but i think its slowly dying.hopefully
> theyll wise up.
---It's really big in other countries. Most kids here are into the high
school sports if they're good athletes, that's where the fame and cooch
are.Hobbies like Judo are left by the wayside.
suds macheath
---No pins in BJJ. It's really a different ballgame.
suds macheath
---Which half?
SPORTfighter
> dislocation maybe....
Well lets face it...you're not me.Sorry to say, but true nontheless.
> > basically guys walk at each other, both get a grip
>
> ----Not any grip....it has to be a "legal one".
No illegal grips on the steet!
they just try and
> > brutally toss each other soon after a grip is in.
>
> ---The unbalance happens, it's just very quick.
I see guys all the time grab the callar jerk it towards them hard as
they can and try and force uchimata, they explode so as to jerk them
out of balance and get the throw, often doesnt work and the guys
posture isnt broken generally the guy trying the throw explodes so
much when the guy doesnt get forced forward they lose the grip and the
thrower turtles the throwee just stands there the ref lets him stand
up and they try again.It seems often that guys just so fear getting
thrown first they try throws without the unbalancing.
> Judo's not BJJ. There aren't any pins in BJJ, so the groundwork goals
> are different.
Of course, but BJJ comes from Judo, one could argue that the judo
showed to carlos Gracie around 1919 changed less bewteen then and now
than olympic judo did.They are both Kano's judo's mutant children.
> > theyd have a point.
> > flying armbars kicking ass? ban them.Guys grabbing belts and getting
> > new pick ups and dumps? make it so you can cling to the belt.
>
> ----I agree. You should be able to pin any way you can manage to uke's
> shoulder down. You should be able to grip the jacket on the same side
> with both hands, ect...
They of course create more rules to keep judos look from changing and
at the same time make it look exciting for fans.But when the wagon is
pulling the horse you have something so ass backwards that it only
alienates fans.Im sure you've watchied judo with someone who doesnt
know it.I have.The person I brought after watching a judo tourney
lasting hours by the end still had no idea why some matches were
ending and others not, and what the refs calls were about.I think its
hard for those who love it and have been around it so long to see how
the average man would see it.I still get puzled when new guys at my
club see men between each others legs at my club and get confused.New
guys get embarrased, im like "lie down put your legs around me" and
they oftebn giggle or seem uncomfortable.Retards.like 5 year olds.
> ---Everyone wants to see throws.
I don't buy that.I think people like sankakujimes , jujigatames.Hell I
think theyd LOVE flying armbars and dare i say...rolling kneebars
sisscor takedowns to anklelocks.Heck if its about what people wanna
see why not allow spinning backkicks? the hell with it lets make it so
you must land 3 spinning backkicks within the first 30 seconds of the
match and attempt 14 throws or you lose.People would LOVE that.And
lets make the judoka wear no clothes.The women anyways.And they are
covered in oil.The attendance would skyrocket.THEN judo will be
huge.Fuck throws if you wanna get fans.Lets throw a rabid wolverine in
the midle of every match and the loser is sacrificed to Ra the
sungod.I am at every judo match EVER with these new rules.
> > now that occasionally pops up, but it makes reffing so subjective that
> > the sport becomes less purist.seems contrived.guys in judo for year
> > can love it sure, but an mma match even a bjj match can be grasped by
> > people seeing it the firts time pretty fast.
>
> ---I know some about grappling, and I gotta tell ya, when they go to
> guard in an MMA match I switch the channel to Wed Nite Boxing.
You been watching the UFC these past few years? I mean usually guys
who speak of the boring nature of lay and pray think dan severn is
still champ.But I conceed long as stalemates on the floor suck.Same as
boring as UFC matches where all they do is kickbox suck.Im not saying
judo should be mma or bjj.But what it is now...i try real hard to like
I WANT TO LIKE JUDO AND HATE BJJ.I know too many brazilians to ever
give bigprops toBJJ, but shit, try though i might judo is not just
boring like bjj, but its boring AND THE FUCKING REF WONT STAY THE HELL
OUT OF THE ACTION.To me its as bad as football.A whistle goes off just
when its getting interesting.
> > find mysle thinking alot"how did that guy just win?" "how the fuck is
> > that ippon and the last one wasnt?" "whyd he just stand him up?" ok, i
> > dont love it cause i dony understand it.
>
> ---You gotta point. When I plyed, you had to throw the guy *hard* on his
> back to gut an ippon.Now they have these rolling ippons that to me would
> score wazari at best.
>
> > im not einstein but i trained judo, train with a ton of them and am a
> > grappler for a long time and watch it on tv when its on and one the
> > web all the time and have for well over a decade.that i only mostly
> > understand it is a huge problem.no fucking way does a nonjudo person
> > get it when he happens on it.
> > its still poplular for now, but i think its slowly dying.hopefully
> > theyll wise up.
>
> ---It's really big in other countries.
Sue, but mma and grappling are spreading.They are spreading at mostly
as things you do, as participant sports, but at least mma will hugle
outpace judo oneday worldwide.Judo will die.Itll take time but itll
happen.And the idiots in charge of it dont know Judo created MMA and
if they were smart theyd move judo a few steps towards it.Its blwing
up like no sport ever for a reason.
suds macheath
>> ---You did. I played judo for years and never broke anyone's arm. Slight
>> dislocation maybe....
>
> Well lets face it...you're not me.Sorry to say, but true nontheless.
----I agree. I am able to play and win within the rules.
>
>>> basically guys walk at each other, both get a grip
>> ----Not any grip....it has to be a "legal one".
>
> No illegal grips on the steet!
---I was being sarcastic. But, actually, the grips they teach you in
Judo class are very efficient in the street, but trying to apply them to
an opponenet that knows where you're goin'....that's the difference.
>
> they just try and
>>> brutally toss each other soon after a grip is in.
>> ---The unbalance happens, it's just very quick.
>
> I see guys all the time grab the callar jerk it towards them hard as
> they can and try and force uchimata, they explode so as to jerk them
> out of balance and get the throw, often doesnt work and the guys
> posture isnt broken generally the guy trying the throw explodes so
> much when the guy doesnt get forced forward they lose the grip and the
> thrower turtles the throwee just stands there the ref lets him stand
> up and they try again.It seems often that guys just so fear getting
> thrown first they try throws without the unbalancing.
----If you slo mo alot of these throws, you'll be able to see the
unbalancing. Along with the feints
>
>> Judo's not BJJ. There aren't any pins in BJJ, so the groundwork goals
>> are different.
>
> Of course, but BJJ comes from Judo, one could argue that the judo
> showed to carlos Gracie around 1919 changed less bewteen then and now
> than olympic judo did.They are both Kano's judo's mutant children.
----I agree.
>
>>> theyd have a point.
>>> flying armbars kicking ass? ban them.Guys grabbing belts and getting
>>> new pick ups and dumps? make it so you can cling to the belt.
>> ----I agree. You should be able to pin any way you can manage to uke's
>> shoulder down. You should be able to grip the jacket on the same side
>> with both hands, ect...
>
> They of course create more rules to keep judos look from changing and
> at the same time make it look exciting for fans.But when the wagon is
> pulling the horse you have something so ass backwards that it only
> alienates fans.Im sure you've watchied judo with someone who doesnt
> know it.I have.The person I brought after watching a judo tourney
> lasting hours by the end still had no idea why some matches were
> ending and others not, and what the refs calls were about.I think its
> hard for those who love it and have been around it so long to see how
> the average man would see it.
----You could say the same about wrestling.
I still get puzled when new guys at my
> club see men between each others legs at my club and get confused.New
> guys get embarrased, im like "lie down put your legs around me" and
> they oftebn giggle or seem uncomfortable.Retards.like 5 year olds.
>
>> ---Everyone wants to see throws.
>
> I don't buy that.I think people like sankakujimes , jujigatames.
---Not as spectacular as throws.
Hell I
> think theyd LOVE flying armbars and dare i say...rolling kneebars
> sisscor takedowns to anklelocks.Heck if its about what people wanna
> see why not allow spinning backkicks? the hell with it lets make it so
> you must land 3 spinning backkicks within the first 30 seconds of the
> match and attempt 14 throws or you lose.People would LOVE that.And
> lets make the judoka wear no clothes.The women anyways.
----Uh, you ever seen the +100k female competitors?
And they are
> covered in oil.
---See above.
The attendance would skyrocket.THEN judo will be
> huge.Fuck throws if you wanna get fans.Lets throw a rabid wolverine in
> the midle of every match and the loser is sacrificed to Ra the
> sungod.I am at every judo match EVER with these new rules.
>
>>> now that occasionally pops up, but it makes reffing so subjective that
>>> the sport becomes less purist.seems contrived.guys in judo for year
>>> can love it sure, but an mma match even a bjj match can be grasped by
>>> people seeing it the firts time pretty fast.
>> ---I know some about grappling, and I gotta tell ya, when they go to
>> guard in an MMA match I switch the channel to Wed Nite Boxing.
>
> You been watching the UFC these past few years?
---Yes, indeed.
I mean usually guys
> who speak of the boring nature of lay and pray think dan severn is
> still champ.But I conceed long as stalemates on the floor suck.
----Yup, it's advanced so far that subs are rare if not set up by a
strike that wobbles the guy. Fedor caught Sylvia with a wicked uppercut
that sent him to the canvas, then finished with a rear naked. The
counters to the standard subs are well know. How many times have you
seen a guy muscle his head out of a guiutine or slip a sweat soaked arm
out of a cross arm lock?
Same as
> boring as UFC matches where all they do is kickbox suck.Im not saying
> judo should be mma or bjj.But what it is now...i try real hard to like
> I WANT TO LIKE JUDO AND HATE BJJ.
----I don't hate BJJ, I just see it as another art based on groundwork.
I know too many brazilians to ever
> give bigprops toBJJ, but shit, try though i might judo is not just
> boring like bjj, but its boring AND THE FUCKING REF WONT STAY THE HELL
> OUT OF THE ACTION.To me its as bad as football.A whistle goes off just
> when its getting interesting.
>
>>> find mysle thinking alot"how did that guy just win?" "how the fuck is
>>> that ippon and the last one wasnt?" "whyd he just stand him up?" ok, i
>>> dont love it cause i dony understand it.
>> ---You gotta point. When I plyed, you had to throw the guy *hard* on his
>> back to gut an ippon.Now they have these rolling ippons that to me would
>> score wazari at best.
>>
>>> im not einstein but i trained judo, train with a ton of them and am a
>>> grappler for a long time and watch it on tv when its on and one the
>>> web all the time and have for well over a decade.that i only mostly
>>> understand it is a huge problem.no fucking way does a nonjudo person
>>> get it when he happens on it.
>>> its still poplular for now, but i think its slowly dying.hopefully
>>> theyll wise up.
>> ---It's really big in other countries.
>
> Sue, but mma and grappling are spreading.They are spreading at mostly
> as things you do, as participant sports, but at least mma will hugle
> outpace judo oneday worldwide.
----Perhaps. When they start paying them alot more.
Judo will die.
----No, Judo survived the Karate, TKD, and Kung Fu booms, I think it'll
survive this one as well.
Itll take time but itll
> happen.And the idiots in charge of it dont know Judo created MMA and
> if they were smart theyd move judo a few steps towards it.Its blwing
> up like no sport ever for a reason.
----Well, sure, it's a violent blood sport. The 20 somethings are the
ones "Blowing it up".
Thanks for the judo chat, anyways...
SPORTfighter
> >> ----Not any grip....it has to be a "legal one".
>
> > No illegal grips on the steet!
>
> ---I was being sarcastic.
And what was i being?
> > they just try and
> >>> brutally toss each other soon after a grip is in.
> >> ---The unbalance happens, it's just very quick.
>
> > I see guys all the time grab the callar jerk it towards them hard as
> > they can and try and force uchimata, they explode so as to jerk them
> > out of balance and get the throw, often doesnt work and the guys
> > posture isnt broken generally the guy trying the throw explodes so
> > much when the guy doesnt get forced forward they lose the grip and the
> > thrower turtles the throwee just stands there the ref lets him stand
> > up and they try again.It seems often that guys just so fear getting
> > thrown first they try throws without the unbalancing.
>
> ----If you slo mo alot of these throws, you'll be able to see the
And if you slow it even more youll see im right.In fact stop it and
make it go backward.Then youll know.
> > They of course create more rules to keep judos look from changing and
> > at the same time make it look exciting for fans.But when the wagon is
> > pulling the horse you have something so ass backwards that it only
> > alienates fans.Im sure you've watchied judo with someone who doesnt
> > know it.I have.The person I brought after watching a judo tourney
> > lasting hours by the end still had no idea why some matches were
> > ending and others not, and what the refs calls were about.I think its
> > hard for those who love it and have been around it so long to see how
> > the average man would see it.
>
> ----You could say the same about wrestling.
Less so.A takedown is takedown in wrestling.
> I still get puzled when new guys at my
>
> > club see men between each others legs at my club and get confused.New
> > guys get embarrased, im like "lie down put your legs around me" and
> > they oftebn giggle or seem uncomfortable.Retards.like 5 year olds.
>
> >> ---Everyone wants to see throws.
A flying armbars more spectacular.
> > think theyd LOVE flying armbars and dare i say...rolling kneebars
> > sisscor takedowns to anklelocks.Heck if its about what people wanna
> > see why not allow spinning backkicks? the hell with it lets make it so
> > you must land 3 spinning backkicks within the first 30 seconds of the
> > match and attempt 14 throws or you lose.People would LOVE that.And
> > lets make the judoka wear no clothes.The women anyways.
>
> ----Uh, you ever seen the +100k female competitors?
Some guys are weird.those guys got money too.
> > huge.Fuck throws if you wanna get fans.Lets throw a rabid wolverine in
> > the midle of every match and the loser is sacrificed to Ra the
> > sungod.I am at every judo match EVER with these new rules.
>
> >>> now that occasionally pops up, but it makes reffing so subjective that
> >>> the sport becomes less purist.seems contrived.guys in judo for year
> >>> can love it sure, but an mma match even a bjj match can be grasped by
> >>> people seeing it the firts time pretty fast.
> >> ---I know some about grappling, and I gotta tell ya, when they go to
> >> guard in an MMA match I switch the channel to Wed Nite Boxing.
>
> > You been watching the UFC these past few years?
>
> ---Yes, indeed.
>
> I mean usually guys
>
> > who speak of the boring nature of lay and pray think dan severn is
> > still champ.But I conceed long as stalemates on the floor suck.
>
> ----Yup, it's advanced so far that subs are rare if not set up by a
> strike that wobbles the guy.
Subs happened in 38% of ufc matches the last couple years.22% in the
ufcs the couple years preceding that.It is regarded that subs are
where the sport is moving too within the sport.GnP has been falling
away.
Fedor caught Sylvia with a wicked uppercut
> that sent him to the canvas, then finished with a rear naked. The
> counters to the standard subs are well know. How many times have you
> seen a guy muscle his head out of a guiutine or slip a sweat soaked arm
> out of a cross arm lock?
The guilotine is bigger than ever...which i predicted a long
while.mostloy good guys know when they have it.In a coupole years the
guillotine will rule the sport.There is so many ways to do it so much
cutting edge shit its mind boggling.The armlock is over tho yea
> Same as
>
> > boring as UFC matches where all they do is kickbox suck.Im not saying
> > judo should be mma or bjj.But what it is now...i try real hard to like
> > I WANT TO LIKE JUDO AND HATE BJJ.
>
> ----I don't hate BJJ, I just see it as another art based on groundwork
Another?
> > Sue, but mma and grappling are spreading.They are spreading at mostly
> > as things you do, as participant sports, but at least mma will hugle
> > outpace judo oneday worldwide.
>
> ----Perhaps. When they start paying them alot more.
You got no idea what mma guys make.Its more than you think.You should
see the cash handed out after a ufc or wec, and im not talking show
and win purse.
> Judo will die.
>
> ----No, Judo survived the Karate, TKD, and Kung Fu booms, I think it'll
> survive this one as well.
Theyll survive like those arts are surviving...on life support.
> ----Well, sure, it's a violent blood sport. The 20 somethings are the
> ones "Blowing it up".
Yes, and they will be middleaged, and those in the 40's now will be
dead, and their hobbies with them.
suds macheath
> On Aug 15, 12:08 pm, suds macheath <sudsmcd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> SPORTfighter w
>>
>>>>> basically guys walk at each other, both get a grip
>>>> ----Not any grip....it has to be a "legal one".
>>> No illegal grips on the steet!
>> ---I was being sarcastic.
>
> And what was i being?
---The street's not a tournament. Chances are the grips you learn as a
beginner will work fine on the street. Especially with the "dogs" that
wear hoodies even if it's 90 degrees out. Baggy clothes are tailor made
for judo.
>
>>> they just try and
>>>>> brutally toss each other soon after a grip is in.
>>>> ---The unbalance happens, it's just very quick.
>>> I see guys all the time grab the callar jerk it towards them hard as
>>> they can and try and force uchimata, they explode so as to jerk them
>>> out of balance and get the throw, often doesnt work and the guys
>>> posture isnt broken generally the guy trying the throw explodes so
>>> much when the guy doesnt get forced forward they lose the grip and the
>>> thrower turtles the throwee just stands there the ref lets him stand
>>> up and they try again.It seems often that guys just so fear getting
>>> thrown first they try throws without the unbalancing.
>> ----If you slo mo alot of these throws, you'll be able to see the
>
> And if you slow it even more youll see im right.In fact stop it and
> make it go backward.Then youll know.
----I know. I can see the feints and combinations. And the off balancing.
>
>>> They of course create more rules to keep judos look from changing and
>>> at the same time make it look exciting for fans.But when the wagon is
>>> pulling the horse you have something so ass backwards that it only
>>> alienates fans.Im sure you've watchied judo with someone who doesnt
>>> know it.I have.The person I brought after watching a judo tourney
>>> lasting hours by the end still had no idea why some matches were
>>> ending and others not, and what the refs calls were about.I think its
>>> hard for those who love it and have been around it so long to see how
>>> the average man would see it.
>> ----You could say the same about wrestling.
>
> Less so.A takedown is takedown in wrestling.
----But there's lot's of rules how points are scored, fouls, ect..
How many folks know what a wrestling ref is signaling?
Everybody knows the pin pat from rasslin, but how about the point system?
>
>> I still get puzled when new guys at my
>>
>>> club see men between each others legs at my club and get confused.New
>>> guys get embarrased, im like "lie down put your legs around me" and
>>> they oftebn giggle or seem uncomfortable.Retards.like 5 year olds.
>>>> ---Everyone wants to see throws.
>
> A flying armbars more spectacular.
---You sure do have wood for flying armbars...how often did they work
when they were legal? What was Kani Basame's ippon % before it was
removed from competition for safety purposes?
>
>>> think theyd LOVE flying armbars and dare i say...rolling kneebars
>>> sisscor takedowns to anklelocks.Heck if its about what people wanna
>>> see why not allow spinning backkicks? the hell with it lets make it so
>>> you must land 3 spinning backkicks within the first 30 seconds of the
>>> match and attempt 14 throws or you lose.People would LOVE that.And
>>> lets make the judoka wear no clothes.The women anyways.
>> ----Uh, you ever seen the +100k female competitors?
>
> Some guys are weird.those guys got money too.
----You a chubby chaser, are ya? Not a dis, but everybody's got a thing....
>
>>> huge.Fuck throws if you wanna get fans.Lets throw a rabid wolverine in
>>> the midle of every match and the loser is sacrificed to Ra the
>>> sungod.I am at every judo match EVER with these new rules.
>>>>> now that occasionally pops up, but it makes reffing so subjective that
>>>>> the sport becomes less purist.seems contrived.guys in judo for year
>>>>> can love it sure, but an mma match even a bjj match can be grasped by
>>>>> people seeing it the firts time pretty fast.
>>>> ---I know some about grappling, and I gotta tell ya, when they go to
>>>> guard in an MMA match I switch the channel to Wed Nite Boxing.
>>> You been watching the UFC these past few years?
>> ---Yes, indeed.
>>
>> I mean usually guys
>>
>>> who speak of the boring nature of lay and pray think dan severn is
>>> still champ.But I conceed long as stalemates on the floor suck.
>> ----Yup, it's advanced so far that subs are rare if not set up by a
>> strike that wobbles the guy.
>
> Subs happened in 38% of ufc matches the last couple years.22% in the
> ufcs the couple years preceding that.It is regarded that subs are
> where the sport is moving too within the sport.GnP has been falling
> away.
----Funny, I rarely see one that's not preceded by strikes, but then, I
don't watch a whole lot of them. Saw alot in the Pride days though.
>
> Fedor caught Sylvia with a wicked uppercut
>> that sent him to the canvas, then finished with a rear naked. The
>> counters to the standard subs are well know. How many times have you
>> seen a guy muscle his head out of a guiutine or slip a sweat soaked arm
>> out of a cross arm lock?
>
> The guilotine is bigger than ever...which i predicted a long
> while.mostloy good guys know when they have it.In a coupole years the
> guillotine will rule the sport.There is so many ways to do it so much
> cutting edge shit its mind boggling.The armlock is over tho yea
----I think I've seen one guilotine work the past 6 months or
so....switching back and forth between the boxing, that is.
>
>> Same as
>>
>>> boring as UFC matches where all they do is kickbox suck.Im not saying
>>> judo should be mma or bjj.But what it is now...i try real hard to like
>>> I WANT TO LIKE JUDO AND HATE BJJ.
>> ----I don't hate BJJ, I just see it as another art based on groundwork
>
> Another?
---Ever heard of Kosen Judo? I consider wrestling as an art as well,
maybe more like a science.
>
>>> Sue, but mma and grappling are spreading.They are spreading at mostly
>>> as things you do, as participant sports, but at least mma will hugle
>>> outpace judo oneday worldwide.
>> ----Perhaps. When they start paying them alot more.
>
> You got no idea what mma guys make.Its more than you think.You should
> see the cash handed out after a ufc or wec, and im not talking show
> and win purse.
----Sure, sure....when I see the hvywght champ take home a few mil I'll
be impressed with MMA coin.
>
>> Judo will die.
>>
>> ----No, Judo survived the Karate, TKD, and Kung Fu booms, I think it'll
>> survive this one as well.
>
> Theyll survive like those arts are surviving...on life support.
----No, that's the thing. These arts had huge press and pop in their
day, Judo just continued to chug on, and it's still here and it'll
always be here. It's such a great sport that I'd say 75% that try it is
hooked. The other 25% don't like being slammed and give it up (the wimp
factor).
>
>> ----Well, sure, it's a violent blood sport. The 20 somethings are the
>> ones "Blowing it up".
>
> Yes, and they will be middleaged, and those in the 40's now will be
> dead, and their hobbies with them.
-----Nah, they've been sayin' that about baseball as well....
I know some people who are bored with MMA, some say they see a lotta MMA
guys with glass jaws...they don't even know to tuck their chins in their
shoulders, and these are guys at the top levels.
SPORTfighter
> SPORTfighter wrote:
> > On Aug 15, 12:08 pm, suds macheath <sudsmc
> beginner will work fine on the street
ya but what about the HIV infected needles
> >>> They of course create more rules to keep judos look from changing and
> >>> at the same time make it look exciting for fans.But when the wagon is
> >>> pulling the horse you have something so ass backwards that it only
> >>> alienates fans.Im sure you've watchied judo with someone who doesnt
> >>> know it.I have.The person I brought after watching a judo tourney
> >>> lasting hours by the end still had no idea why some matches were
> >>> ending and others not, and what the refs calls were about.I think its
> >>> hard for those who love it and have been around it so long to see how
> >>> the average man would see it.
> >> ----You could say the same about wrestling.
>
> > Less so.A takedown is takedown in wrestling.
>
> ----But there's lot's of rules how points are scored, fouls, ect..
> How many folks know what a wrestling ref is signaling?
> Everybody knows the pin pat from rasslin, but how about the point system?
Not saying wrasslins transparent, just saying it is moreso than judo.
> > A flying armbars more spectacular.
>
> ---You sure do have wood for flying armbars...how often did they work
> when they were legal?
Thats why they are exciting, theyre hard.And frankly they never got a
shot to be popular, when they started working they were banned.I have
an 8 year old who hits em in competition.They really just look hard.
And you sidestepped my point entirely.
What was Kani Basame's ippon % before it was
> removed from competition for safety purposes?
11.5%
> >>> think theyd LOVE flying armbars and dare i say...rolling kneebars
> >>> sisscor takedowns to anklelocks.Heck if its about what people wanna
> >>> see why not allow spinning backkicks? the hell with it lets make it so
> >>> you must land 3 spinning backkicks within the first 30 seconds of the
> >>> match and attempt 14 throws or you lose.People would LOVE that.And
> >>> lets make the judoka wear no clothes.The women anyways.
> >> ----Uh, you ever seen the +100k female competitors?
>
> > Some guys are weird.those guys got money too.
>
> ----You a chubby chaser, are ya? Not a dis, but everybody's got a thing....
Thtis is how it will be, when you are in check and facing mate you
accuse people of things so as to throw a wrench in the debate? I'd
have been impressed were I still 5.But tendency towards durable women
is not the issue here.
> > Subs happened in 38% of ufc matches the last couple years.22% in the
> > ufcs the couple years preceding that.It is regarded that subs are
> > where the sport is moving too within the sport.GnP has been falling
> > away.
>
> ----Funny, I rarely see one that's not preceded by strikes, but then, I
> don't watch a whole lot of them. Saw alot in the Pride days though.
Everything inMMA is set up with strikes.Royce Gracie showed this in
UFC 1.
> > The guilotine is bigger than ever...which i predicted a long
> > while.mostloy good guys know when they have it.In a coupole years the
> > guillotine will rule the sport.There is so many ways to do it so much
> > cutting edge shit its mind boggling.The armlock is over tho yea
>
> ----I think I've seen one guilotine work the past 6 months or
> so....switching back and forth between the boxing, that is.
So watch more.You half watch 5 UFC fights every couple months? And why
are you seeming kinda down on MMA.Are you paying 45 bucks to watch
Judo on PPV? Would you? Would anyone?
> > Another?
>
> ---Ever heard of Kosen Judo? I consider wrestling as an art as well,
> maybe more like a science.
I was posting here about Kosen Judo by 1996 when I started posting
here.Please do not assume we do not share conclusions do to my
ignorance.While I am kind enough to not point out the reverse.
All combat sports are sciences.Common sense.
> > You got no idea what mma guys make.Its more than you think.You should
> > see the cash handed out after a ufc or wec, and im not talking show
> > and win purse.
>
> ----Sure, sure....when I see the hvywght champ take home a few mil I'll
> be impressed with MMA coin.
Then be impressed now.Cause UFC champs have earned in excess of 1
million for a fight.
> >> ----No, Judo survived the Karate, TKD, and Kung Fu booms, I think it'll
> >> survive this one as well.
>
> > Theyll survive like those arts are surviving...on life support.
>
> ----No, that's the thing. These arts had huge press and pop in their
> day, Judo just continued to chug on, and it's still here and it'll
> always be here. It's such a great sport that I'd say 75% that try it is
> hooked. The other 25% don't like being slammed and give it up (the wimp
> factor).
But Judo surviving the phoney fighting styles popularity was
obvious.Judoka could beat them up.It was the state of the art combat
sport.Now Judo is becoming what judo made karate look like.Traditional
fetishism.The 18 year olds in my town who are martial artists all do
MMA.If they had a friend doing Judo theyd ask why he was scared to get
hit.It wouldnt bother a man.But it would a kid, and kids become men
while men die off.
> > Yes, and they will be middleaged, and those in the 40's now will be
> > dead, and their hobbies with them.
>
> -----Nah, they've been sayin' that about baseball as well....
And they are right.It IS dying.No one finds it who wasnt brought up to
love it and not question the love.They love it cause they have
imprinted on their minds childhood rememberances of quality time with
their dad at the park eating hot dogs and hoping to catch a foul.
It is boring to the young.I was brought up on baseball moved out at
18, sat in my apartment that first weekend day and thought "hey the
games on ill turn it on." Within minutes though id been raised on
baseball i blurted out to no one"OH MY GOD...I HATE BASEBALL"
Id never considered that i may not like it while i was in a room with
endless siblings, i had no choice but to talk about it with them
all.Since then over many years ive never watched a game, world series
included.
I train lower middle class white men mostly 16- 39 15 miles south of
boston.Attendance was weirdly high the last time the red sox were in
the world series.
It was so big it was a religion around here, i mean that in many ways
literally, it was worshiped to question that was to face
ostrasization(sp bigtime) and be called an unbeliever, it was SO BIG
that in dying it is STILL big.But it is half what it was when I was a
boy, at the very most.
They say it about baseball, and it is true.To be sure it will exist as
both a participant sport and a televised major league sport 20 years
from now(barring the upcoming zombie apocalypse cuts it off before
then) but it'll be a shadow of what it is even now.
Just as in many places like near me judo is a shadow of what it was
before karate then kung fu degraded it, judos known a slight bump up
over here from mma's emergence, as until recently one hadnt the option
to train MMA in most areas, but now Judo is weakening again.
What is odd is that judo evolved to meet a new day by the rules we
discussed, but yet they now wont change it in obvious ways to cut off
the growth off mma into Judo.Heck an olympic medalist teaches judo
near me and you know what? He spends much time teaching aspiring MMA
fighters who wanna cross train.That seems crucial to this debate to
me.
SPORTfighter
Did research.There were guillotine finishes in the last 6 WEC's.Most
had multiple guillotine finishes.It is by far the most prevalent sub
with the exception of the RNC, and really as you suggest the RNC maybe
half the time is just an extension of getting punched out and they
could just as easily have won with more strikes.The giullotine most
often comes from the guy whos on the recieving end of getting tossed
around or beaten up.Thats why i consider it the most important
sub(always have in fact maybe 6 years ago i was in a big mma school
and i kept heitting fighters with it and a now ufc vet said "its just
so basic we dont even drill it or defenses anymore..i mean who would
even think to try it? well i guess you would" i think i always stuck
with it cause im lazy.dont have to outwork the guy to get it, now
there are just so many innovation..i learned a couple things thursday
a guy i know had just learned from marcello garcia...in fact class
today will be all giullotines escapes et ups, grips etc.Im inspired.
suds macheath
> On Aug 15, 4:46 pm, suds macheath <sudsmcd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> SPORTfighter wrote:
>>> On Aug 15, 12:08 pm, suds macheath <sudsmc
>> ---The street's not a tournament. Chances are the grips you learn as a
>> beginner will work fine on the street
>
> ya but what about the HIV infected needles
---In their lapels and sleeves? Uh, OK....
>
>>>>> They of course create more rules to keep judos look from changing and
>>>>> at the same time make it look exciting for fans.But when the wagon is
>>>>> pulling the horse you have something so ass backwards that it only
>>>>> alienates fans.Im sure you've watchied judo with someone who doesnt
>>>>> know it.I have.The person I brought after watching a judo tourney
>>>>> lasting hours by the end still had no idea why some matches were
>>>>> ending and others not, and what the refs calls were about.I think its
>>>>> hard for those who love it and have been around it so long to see how
>>>>> the average man would see it.
>>>> ----You could say the same about wrestling.
>>> Less so.A takedown is takedown in wrestling.
>> ----But there's lot's of rules how points are scored, fouls, ect..
>> How many folks know what a wrestling ref is signaling?
>> Everybody knows the pin pat from rasslin, but how about the point system?
>
> Not saying wrasslins transparent, just saying it is moreso than judo.
>
>>> A flying armbars more spectacular.
>> ---You sure do have wood for flying armbars...how often did they work
>> when they were legal?
>
> Thats why they are exciting, theyre hard.
-----And, not really that effective. There's an episode of "human
weapon" where the guy tried to pull one off on the judoka and "just
missed".But you can see in the replay the judoka saw it all the way and
countered it...
And frankly they never got a
> shot to be popular, when they started working they were banned.I have
> an 8 year old who hits em in competition.They really just look hard.
----The key here is "look"....
> And you sidestepped my point entirely.
---What, how effective were they when they were legal? Why would I drill
in a technique that's not that effective. BTW, if you miss it, you're in
a weak position judo wise, yes?
>
> What was Kani Basame's ippon % before it was
>> removed from competition for safety purposes?
>
> 11.5%
---Seriously? Where'd you get that figure? If it's true, it's still not
a very effective technique in tournament, is it? Why would I drill in a
technique with such a low success ratio? Because it looks karate kid kool?
>
>>>>> think theyd LOVE flying armbars and dare i say...rolling kneebars
>>>>> sisscor takedowns to anklelocks.Heck if its about what people wanna
>>>>> see why not allow spinning backkicks? the hell with it lets make it so
>>>>> you must land 3 spinning backkicks within the first 30 seconds of the
>>>>> match and attempt 14 throws or you lose.People would LOVE that.And
>>>>> lets make the judoka wear no clothes.The women anyways.
>>>> ----Uh, you ever seen the +100k female competitors?
>>> Some guys are weird.those guys got money too.
>> ----You a chubby chaser, are ya? Not a dis, but everybody's got a thing....
>
> Thtis is how it will be, when you are in check and facing mate you
> accuse people of things so as to throw a wrench in the debate?\
---What check and mate? You claimed that making the women compete
without clothing would be effective, I countered that the +100k girls
might not be the eye candy you think they would, and you counter some
guys would. I just assumed you were one of those guys. Here's a treat
for ya:
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/536641/2007085
Ms Tong may be the girl of your dreams.
I'd
> have been impressed were I still 5.But tendency towards durable women
> is not the issue here.
----Mn Tong looks eminently durable....slathered with oil as you suggested?
>
>>> Subs happened in 38% of ufc matches the last couple years.22% in the
>>> ufcs the couple years preceding that.It is regarded that subs are
>>> where the sport is moving too within the sport.GnP has been falling
>>> away.
>> ----Funny, I rarely see one that's not preceded by strikes, but then, I
>> don't watch a whole lot of them. Saw alot in the Pride days though.
>
> Everything inMMA is set up with strikes.Royce Gracie showed this in
> UFC 1.
---Well, gosh, I thought you were telling me they're not anymore.
>
>>> The guilotine is bigger than ever...which i predicted a long
>>> while.mostloy good guys know when they have it.In a coupole years the
>>> guillotine will rule the sport.There is so many ways to do it so much
>>> cutting edge shit its mind boggling.The armlock is over tho yea
>> ----I think I've seen one guilotine work the past 6 months or
>> so....switching back and forth between the boxing, that is.
>
> So watch more.You half watch 5 UFC fights every couple months?
----No, they have like year old matches on cable all the time.
Spike has UFC unleashed every Wednesday,TUF, and fsn had that other show
where they competed in teams. And I'll watch some of the newer ones on
youtube "if" they're big. I saw the Jackson/Liddel KO the very next
morning on youtube....
And why
> are you seeming kinda down on MMA.
I'm not really down on it. It's fun to watch sometimes, but I don't
consider it to be the second coming. I liked the original rule set (UFC
1) better.
Are you paying 45 bucks to watch
> Judo on PPV? Would you? Would anyone?
----Why hell no, I can go watch a judo tournament for ten bucks.
I'm not paying to watch *anything* on PPV.
>
>>> Another?
>> ---Ever heard of Kosen Judo? I consider wrestling as an art as well,
>> maybe more like a science.
>
> I was posting here about Kosen Judo by 1996 when I started posting
> here.
---I'm well aware, I agreed with you vis a vis a kosen judo thread back
then as well.
Please do not assume we do not share conclusions do to my
> ignorance.While I am kind enough to not point out the reverse.
----You said "another?" like you weren't aware there *were* any more
ground based arts.
> All combat sports are sciences.Common sense.
---Are they also "arts"?
>
>>> You got no idea what mma guys make.Its more than you think.You should
>>> see the cash handed out after a ufc or wec, and im not talking show
>>> and win purse.
>> ----Sure, sure....when I see the hvywght champ take home a few mil I'll
>> be impressed with MMA coin.
>
> Then be impressed now.Cause UFC champs have earned in excess of 1
> million for a fight.
----Oooooo! 1 mil! What was FM Jr's last payday?
>
>>>> ----No, Judo survived the Karate, TKD, and Kung Fu booms, I think it'll
>>>> survive this one as well.
>>> Theyll survive like those arts are surviving...on life support.
>> ----No, that's the thing. These arts had huge press and pop in their
>> day, Judo just continued to chug on, and it's still here and it'll
>> always be here. It's such a great sport that I'd say 75% that try it is
>> hooked. The other 25% don't like being slammed and give it up (the wimp
>> factor).
>
> But Judo surviving the phoney fighting styles popularity was
> obvious.Judoka could beat them up.It was the state of the art combat
> sport.
----I disagree. The heyday of Judo pop was in this country as regards to
the media was probably the late 50's/early 60's.
Now Judo is becoming what judo made karate look like.
---You got it backwards. People were *way* more impressed with those bad
asses breaking boards and blocks and Bruce Lee scything through Japanese
mobs with nunchaku that were ever impressed by a James Bond Ippon
Seoinage. And then we had Grasshoppa lifting a scalding kettle with his
fore arms. No way could Capt Kirks tomoe nage could compete.
Traditional
> fetishism.The 18 year olds in my town who are martial artists all do
> MMA.If they had a friend doing Judo theyd ask why he was scared to get
> hit.
---Well if they asked my kid, he'd say "No, I train in boxing as well."
Do they ask high school wrestlers the same thing?
It wouldnt bother a man.But it would a kid, and kids become men
> while men die off.
>
>
>>> Yes, and they will be middleaged, and those in the 40's now will be
>>> dead, and their hobbies with them.
>> -----Nah, they've been sayin' that about baseball as well....
>
> And they are right.It IS dying.
----It's probably bigger than its ever been since the '60's.
No one finds it who wasnt brought up to
> love it and not question the love.They love it cause they have
> imprinted on their minds childhood rememberances of quality time with
> their dad at the park eating hot dogs and hoping to catch a foul.
> It is boring to the young.
---Not when they're playing it. Hell, when I was a kid I was always
playing a game, I could rarely veg in front of the TV and watch a whole
game.
I was brought up on baseball moved out at
> 18, sat in my apartment that first weekend day and thought "hey the
> games on ill turn it on." Within minutes though id been raised on
> baseball i blurted out to no one"OH MY GOD...I HATE BASEBALL"
---I've yet to see anyone who was successful at baseball dislike the
game. What happened, did you get hit by a pitch and quit? Or was it that
hot grounder that popped you in the teeth that made the closet your
mitt's new home? Truly, the only people I've seen who hate baseball
either never played, or were so unsuccessful they had to confront their
dads to let them give it up in total frustration....
Baseball is a great game that teaches kids how to handle pressure and
failure. And, the highs of success are undeniable.
> Id never considered that i may not like it while i was in a room with
> endless siblings, i had no choice but to talk about it with them
> all.
---Talk. You never played?
Since then over many years ive never watched a game, world series
> included.
---Your loss.
> I train lower middle class white men mostly 16- 39 15 miles south of
> boston.Attendance was weirdly high the last time the red sox were in
> the world series.
---Yet, baseball's dying, eh?
> It was so big it was a religion around here, i mean that in many ways
> literally, it was worshiped to question that was to face
> ostrasization(sp bigtime) and be called an unbeliever, it was SO BIG
> that in dying it is STILL big.But it is half what it was when I was a
> boy, at the very most.
---I doubt that. Fenway is sold out year after year. Standing room only
sold out. The same at Chicago, a team that hasn't won a series since 19
ought something, is always sold out. St Louis, New York, on and on...
> They say it about baseball, and it is true.
---And, they've been saying the same since 1908...
To be sure it will exist as
> both a participant sport and a televised major league sport 20 years
> from now(barring the upcoming zombie apocalypse cuts it off before
> then) but it'll be a shadow of what it is even now.
> Just as in many places like near me judo is a shadow of what it was
> before karate then kung fu degraded it, judos known a slight bump up
> over here from mma's emergence, as until recently one hadnt the option
> to train MMA in most areas, but now Judo is weakening again.
> What is odd is that judo evolved to meet a new day by the rules we
> discussed, but yet they now wont change it in obvious ways to cut off
> the growth off mma into Judo.
---Don't you mean growth of MMA off Judo?
Heck an olympic medalist teaches judo
> near me and you know what? He spends much time teaching aspiring MMA
> fighters who wanna cross train.That seems crucial to this debate to
> me.
---Do they ask him if he's afraid to get hit? Why would they cross train
in Judo, I thought throws were considered almost useless in MMA?
trav...@aol.com
You know, some kids actually play baseball and like to watch it
because they play and enjoy the sport. Little league is something
that a lot of kids do, especially out in the rest of America outside
your little ghetto.
If baseball's dying, it's because they took the steroids out of it so
the sport is less exciting. If they ever take steroids out of MMA,
you are going to see some of the same things. Guys won't have the
explosive KO power, the burst, the insane strength to do the MMA game
as it exists now. They'll be forced to regress back to using guile
and BJJ and whatnot to win more of a war of attrition, like Royce used
to do. That is MMA for the lesser athlete. Even in the BJJ mundials
you see most of the guys are jacked; this isn't Rickson's game
anymore.
I think steroids are good for sports because they let older, smarter
athletes continue to compete at a high level. So, a guy like Barry
Bonds gets to the point where he's an incredibly disciplined and
experienced hitter and can use his mental advantage in the batter's
box gleaned over years of hitting, but with the juice he still has the
power to put that shit over the wall where a natural older hitter flat
wouldn't have the power or bat speed.
Same thing w/ MMA...guys who are 22, 24, 25 just don't have the
experience, maturity, and skills. It's true in the NFL too, the young
strong fast guys make so many errors in so many phases that it makes
the game sloppy. Cycling now...look at that. The guys look small and
slow compared to Armstrong or Indurain. The performances of guys like
Marco Pantani in his victory year will never be equaled without drugs
to boost performance.
If MMA ever gets "regulated" like that, you are going to have to teach
and learn a different game that doesn't rely any longer on abundant
strength and recovery. This will make the sport far less entertaining
to the casual fan.
Trav
YumYumPandaburger
wrote:
>
> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
Suprise, suprise, you managed to turn this argument into a plea to
defend your own steroid usage.
David O'Daniel
may have missed it (read a lot o the posts, off on the thread about a
list & such, but as usual, not able to go through all the thread yet).
Anyways, they announced someone getting a Bronze meal in TKD today or
last night so I assume that it is probably over or at least for sure
started. Since that was the only clip of TKD other than some human
interest story on the Today show & that Visa commercial of the same
family, I assume that the TKD is not to be shown on any stations that
I'm able to get, probably some pay stations or whatever.
I've heard even less to nothing about the Judo so it will probably not
be shown on stations I can get either.
If I missed the posts of there is a clear & easily understood website of
schedule listings that I have yet to find, sorry. I'm a slow reader &
tend to miss stuff, either not getting to it of skipping ahead to get
further head in stuff but in so doing, miss then stuff I skip over
reading.
Since NBC only had bought the rights to show the Olympics, I don't
suppose that we will see even the smallest part of the Wushu event that
China was to hold at thee same time? It was against Olympic rules but
they bent the rules for China since they couldn't get Wushu as an
Olympic event this time (not enough other countries to compete,
apparently).
Bo
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and
degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is
worth a war, is worse." --- John Stuart Mill
shuu...@gmail.com
> I take it that no one ever did find a schedule for the Olympic TKD? I
> may have missed it (read a lot o the posts, off on the thread about a
> list & such, but as usual, not able to go through all the thread yet).
Try typing "Olympic Taekwondo Schedule" on Google.
David O'Daniel
Kind of like the caveman tennis commercial, Google in place of geiko, I
get it..yep not quitting though but I get it, hilarious!... ;-)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=olympic+tae+kwon+do+tv+schedule
or any other searches; Sooooo, for any who can skim through all of it,
besides apparently starting today & continuing tomorrow 21-22 & maybe 1
other day 20th or 23rd?, allowing 12hrs ahead of Eastern time I believe
from Beijing time. Still, what station?
I of course get NBC main primetime network, also the business/finance I
think C-NBC or whatever, never watch it normally (usually has had boxing
mostly on), USA network and "sometimes" the digital & often not on,
MSNBC.
Will TKD or Judo be shown on any of those stations? Off to real life
stuff. No, I'm not looking up "NBC Olympics tae kwon do schedule
station", but feel free to try it & report back. ;-) From skimming
amongst the confusing sights, I got the 21 & 22 dates. Again, if others
with better eye-sight can read it all fully & more detailed, go for it.
Earl Camembert
> Hi.
>
> Does anyone know the TV schedule for tae kwon do?
>
> I'll be on vacation and want to set the DVR.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Eddie G
Only on line no TV. You might have to lie about your CATV provider. Say
Verizon.
http://www.nbcolympics.com/taekwondo/index.html
David O'Daniel
is still up by then, I'll try maybe next week to get out to the local
college to see if I can view the videos. Still a bit confusing but I'll
try to figure the site out more later.
Apparently, the TKD is now over. Just a human interest story on the
Today Show & in the closing clips, a kick-combination shown & at least a
still photo of a guy who they reported had been disqualified and THEN
attacked the judge so was banned for life. I flipped on that station
after the story had already started so there may have been more shown of
it but if so, I missed it.
From the clip they showed on that TKD family, I think the girl sparring,
I guess that it doesn't really matter. It seems that ALL Olympic (aka
WTF) TKD sparring looks about the same; hands dropped the entire time.
Not a word about Judo, maybe some past Olympics clips or photos only &
mentioning that it exists as an Olympic sport but nothing about this
year's competition. No mention of course of the World Wushu competition
going on supposedly at the same time now, either.