Juggling on Glenn Beck...
G.A.R
Glenn makes a straw man using a juggler. He's also pretty rude to the
guy. Anyone know who it is?
http://www.tangle.com/view_video?viewkey=feb432ebf51258faa964
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> Happened to catch a rerun of this while flipping through channels today.
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> Glenn makes a straw man using a juggler. He's also pretty rude to the
> guy. Anyone know who it is?
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not have resisted the urge to kick him in the head!
Dave Altman
> I am pretty sure that's Chris Chiappini. If it were me up there... I would
> not have resisted the urge to kick him in the head!
Obviously it was pre-planned and Chris got paid, so I doubt Chris had
those feelings or urges.
It was a horrible analogy, though.
Dave Altman
Luke Eden
Just what I need, another reason to hate Glenn Beck.
Al Teal
Why hate anyone because of their beliefs? Beck tells the truth and people
hate him for it. He advocates peaceful debate and they lie about him. Beck
has yet to be proven to say anything untrue about Obama or the
progressives.
I don't get it. I don't hate Kieth Olberman, Catie Couric, Matt Lauer or
any of the main stream media darlings but I know they always lie in
support of the left. It is sad. Very few media outlets today provide real
news, they only provide leftist propaganda.
G.A.R
this clip Al? "We had a guy who did card tricks the other day and he
sucked. Are you better?" That's a horribly rude introduction for a guest
of any show, and
it's personality like that which is reason enough alone to hate him.
Jay Linn
<alt...@comcast.net.nospam.com> wrote:
> Why hate anyone because of their beliefs? Beck tells the truth and people
> hate him for it. He advocates peaceful debate and they lie about him.
> Beck
> has yet to be proven to say anything untrue about Obama or the
> progressives.
<facepalm>
> I don't get it. I don't hate Kieth Olberman, Catie Couric, Matt Lauer or
> any of the main stream media darlings but I know they always lie in
> support of the left. It is sad. Very few media outlets today provide real
> news, they only provide leftist propaganda.
<re-facepalm>
You question why hate anyone for their beliefs, and then assert that
other people are always lying? Stupidity in the name of political loyalty.
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Jay Linn
Semper Eadem.
Dave Altman
> You question why hate anyone for their beliefs, and then assert that
> other people are always lying? Stupidity in the name of political loyalty.
You hit the nail on the head, Jay. In the US, the extreme right has an
active voice in a so-called news
channel called Fox News. It's motto is ironically, "Fair and Balanced." It
is laughable to anyone left of the
extreme 20% of the right. There is a cognitive dissonance that is being
thrown out by this super-bias
network and their followers. I've met Al Teal and he seems like a very
nice guy and has always been nice
to me, but we strongly disagree politically and in our world view.
To simplify it greatly, the US is going through the death rattle of a
back-lash to a progressively liberal
movement, which peaked in the 1970's. The conservatives has ruled for the
last 30+ years, but there is a
beginning of a swing back to a more enlightened, progressive direction,
where government helps protect
their people from unrestricted greed and selfishness which created a
super-rich upper class that exploits
the lower classes, especially the working poor.
Dave "standing on his soap box" Altman
Al Teal
Hating someone for their beliefs is much different that pointing out that
they are lying.
The current American main stream media are somewhat like Pravda was in the
Soviet Union in the 1970s and 1980s. Pravda was controlled by the Soviet
government by force. The difference with American media today is they
volunteer to be used by the government. They show all left wing ideas in a
good light and right wing opposition as racist or evil in some other way.
I am not a racist and I think I am a good man. I try to be.
Don't hate me. I promise I will never hate you and I am not looking for a
fight. I love juggling and I look forward to meeting and becoming friends
with more of you.
Juggling is more important to me than politics.
Al Teal
Michael Karas
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> Happened to catch a rerun of this while flipping through channels today.
>
> Glenn makes a straw man using a juggler. He's also pretty rude to the
> guy. Anyone know who it is?
>
> http://www.tangle.com/view_video?viewkey=feb432ebf51258faa964
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The Glenn Beck show called me for this gig originally but I turned it down
because I wasn't in NYC at the time. I'm very glad I did. The money was
good but I have a strong dislike for Glenn Beck and Fox News, so I'm glad
I was unavailable.
Basically he's using a juggler to make fun of the Obama administration. I
think it would've been funny if Chris had agreed to drop but then ran a
perfect 7b cascade. Then again it's TV and they would've either fired him
or shot it again.
Guy G
I'm pretty ignorant on matters of the US media, but it seems that the bad
thing about Pravda is that it was controlled by the government, not that
it was left-wing. That seems a fairly major difference. In fact, one
could even go as far as to suggest that if the media are not being
controlled by the government, then their left-wing stance is merely the
product of the free-market ideology which the US holds so dearly ;)
> Don't hate me. I promise I will never hate you and I am not looking for a
> fight. I love juggling and I look forward to meeting and becoming friends
> with more of you.
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> Juggling is more important to me than politics.
Well said.
Guy
Jay Linn
Thanks for that analysis Dave. This mostly accords with the view from
where I'm standing, although I disagree with some of the finer points. The
political landscape in the US seems to be pretty black and white from the
European point of view, but one is always suspicious of how much our view
is obscured or refracted by distance.
> Dave "standing on his soap box" Altman
<heckles>
<brandishes badly spelt placard bearing a non-sequitur>
<throws rotten fruit>
catiecat
I feel like this analogy is--besides being historically
inaccurate--somewhat insulting to the people who actually lived through
this period of history.
Little Paul
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> Pravda was controlled by the Soviet government by force.
They did churn out some *fabulous* handbags though.
-Paul
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AverageJoggler
Glenn Beck claims that Obama is the only president that did not swear
his oath of office on a bible. John Quincy Adams used a law book.
Teddy Roosevelt was sworn in using no bible. Link featuring video clip
of Beck telling this lie: http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/22/glenn-beck-bible/
He said something untrue when he stated that 1.4 million dollars of
stimulus money went to repair a door at Dyess AFB. It was actually a
hangar door that cost $246,000. Link to video clip of this lie:
http://mediamatters.org/research/200907210005
But I don't really understand why anyone would trust anything said on
TV. All shows are designed to tell a story in an interesting /
compelling way. The truth is always sacrificed for entertainment.
On Apr 24, 7:00 pm, alt...@comcast.net.nospam.com (Al Teal) wrote:
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dave
I'd be interested in hearing your view of US political landscape. Being
"here", too close, also effects one's perspective and can make seeing
something difficult.
Leaving aside Dave Altman's points, I think an important point to consider
is that a key motivation for the Glenn Beck show writers is probably to
draw market-share and with it, advertisers. This is true for "conservative
talk shows", for "the liberal media", and even for the "news" on SNL. The
logical argument Glenn Beck made (that Uncle Sam can't juggle so many
items) is largely meaningless. Glenn Beck could have divided the tasks
that Uncle Sam is juggling into more or less categories arbitrarily. So
the whole sketch was really just "entertainment". I suspect his audience
liked it, so by that measure it was "good entertainment", and his audience
will be back for more.
Jay Linn
wrote:
> Jay Linn wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:43:09 +0100, Dave Altman
>> <davea...@hughes.net.nospam.com> wrote:
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>> Thanks for that analysis Dave. This mostly accords with the view from
>> where I'm standing, although I disagree with some of the finer points.
>> The
>> political landscape in the US seems to be pretty black and white from
>> the
>> European point of view, but one is always suspicious of how much our
>> view
>> is obscured or refracted by distance.
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> I'd be interested in hearing your view of US political landscape. Being
> "here", too close, also effects one's perspective and can make seeing
> something difficult.
Wow. I reckon that's just about the meatiest question I've ever seen on
r.j, for me at least. I'll give it a little thought.
> Leaving aside Dave Altman's points, I think an important point to
> consider
> is that a key motivation for the Glenn Beck show writers is probably to
> draw market-share and with it, advertisers. This is true for
> "conservative
> talk shows", for "the liberal media", and even for the "news" on SNL. The
> logical argument Glenn Beck made (that Uncle Sam can't juggle so many
> items) is largely meaningless. Glenn Beck could have divided the tasks
> that Uncle Sam is juggling into more or less categories arbitrarily. So
> the whole sketch was really just "entertainment". I suspect his audience
> liked it, so by that measure it was "good entertainment", and his
> audience
> will be back for more.
Indeed. It was an insubstantial two and a half minute dig and nothing
more. Whatever you say about the conservative media, it is beyond doubt
that they really, really suck at satire.
Little Paul
>
> Leaving aside Dave Altman's points, I think an important point to consider
> is that a key motivation for the Glenn Beck show writers is probably to
> draw market-share and with it, advertisers. This is true for "conservative
> talk shows", for "the liberal media", and even for the "news" on SNL.
The key thing to remember about commercial television, is that you are
not the customer.
The advertisers are the customers.
Commercial television makes shows to attract advertisers, you're merely
a small cog in this machine - and a largely irrelevant one - the "truth"
is an even smaller cog.
Who was it who said "never let the truth get in the way of a good story"?
-Paul
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dave
> Commercial television makes shows to attract advertisers, you're merely
> a small cog in this machine - and a largely irrelevant one - the "truth"
> is an even smaller cog.
Exactly!
> Who was it who said "never let the truth get in the way of a good story"?
I looked but couldn't figure out who first said it. I suspect it has been
around for a long time in various forms. Interesting google search though.
Dave Altman
> > Who was it who said "never let the truth get in the way of a good story"?
>
> I looked but couldn't figure out who first said it. I suspect it has been
> around for a long time in various forms. Interesting google search though.
Interestingly enough, those were the words Mark Twain uttered on his death
bed, exactly as Halley's
Comet passed overhead at 1:11 a.m. Twain looked up at his wife and
children gathered around his bed,
smiled, then suddenly stopped breathing.
Dave "never lets the truth get in the way of a good story" Altman
Luke Eden
You are totally right. Spewing bilious and antagonistic hatred is a
horrible, horrible thing and you are right to point out my fault in
taking such an extreme view toward a man based solely on my perception
of him via his on-camera persona. The only way I can possibly imagine
making this worse is if I were to espouse a similar sentiment on some
sort of national news network.
On an unrelated note, Number Two on Glenn Beck's Top 10 Craziest
Quotes:
"I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I
could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do
it. ... No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the
eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out. Is this
wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus -- band -- Do, and I've
lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say,
'Yeah, I'd kill Michael Moore,' and then I'd see the little band: What
Would Jesus Do? And then I'd realize, 'Oh, you wouldn't kill Michael
Moore. Or at least you wouldn't choke him to death.' And you know,
well, I'm not sure." –responding to the question "What would people do
for $50 million?", "The Glenn Beck Program," May 17, 2005
These are truly words spoken by the noblest of ombudsmen.
Mike Willett
> hate him for it. He advocates peaceful debate and they lie about him. Beck
> has yet to be proven to say anything untrue about Obama or the
> progressives.
>
> I don't get it. I don't hate Kieth Olberman, Catie Couric, Matt Lauer or
> any of the main stream media darlings but I know they always lie in
> support of the left. It is sad. Very few media outlets today provide real
> news, they only provide leftist propaganda.
>
>
To be fair, neither side is really all that great at telling the truth
when the media is telling you. http://www.factcheck.org/articles/ is a
good place to start for trying to get just information. I dont use it
often, but the articles seem well researched.
Personally, I tend to think that so many people trying to say what is
right in politics and always insisting that they know whats best solely
because the watch tv is a load of bull. If you vote, vote for ideas and
philosophies you wholly believe in. Other than that just trust the people
you chose to do your job. If it were any other profession I would let them
do their thing. I don't tell a carpenter how to fix a door, but i tell him
what i want done. I know I hate it when someone tells me how to do my job,
particularly if they have no real knowledge on the subject other than
seeing a video on youtube about it.
Anyway, that's it for my political rant. Have fun!
dchild
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> Why hate anyone because of their beliefs? Beck tells the truth and people
> hate him for it. He advocates peaceful debate and they lie about him. Beck
> has yet to be proven to say anything untrue about Obama or the
> progressives.
Beck tells the truth? FEMA camps? Calling Obama a racist? Claiming
Fascism is a phenomenon of the left? Just the other day decrying the
comparison of the new immigration laws in AZ to Nazi tactics, saying that
comparison is outrageous yet has no problem comparing liberals to Nazis
all of the time.
Claiming Obama is a socialist? Really? When half is cabinet is made up
of ex-Goldman employees? He's a corporatist if ever we've seen one.
Jason Quinn
> The Glenn Beck show called me for this gig originally but I turned it down
> because I wasn't in NYC at the time. I'm very glad I did. The money was
> good but I have a strong dislike for Glenn Beck and Fox News, so I'm glad
> I was unavailable.
Fox News is just Republican propaganda. It's the American version of
Soviet Pravda. It is an immoral cesspool of slanted, biased, agenda-based
"journalism" that uses the first amendment to lie to the American people
whenever it's convenient. It's currently popular talking head, Glen Beck,
is a trollish imbecile who shouldn't be on TV in the first place but is
instead spearheading movements that are helping to destroy this country.
There is no amount of money that should cause a person to sell their soul
for this gig. This was a deal with the devil. I'd sooner dance on
someone's grave than help Glen Beck deliver his poisonous venom.
Jason
Jason Quinn
> The current American main stream media are somewhat like Pravda was in the
> Soviet Union in the 1970s and 1980s. Pravda was controlled by the Soviet
> government by force. The difference with American media today is they
> volunteer to be used by the government. They show all left wing ideas in a
> good light and right wing opposition as racist or evil in some other way.
> I am not a racist and I think I am a good man. I try to be.
Since I just used a Pravda comparison myself, I want to point out that
market forces are also important in the coverage by the American media.
The lone praise you'll hear me make for Rupert Murdoch is that --- like
some newspaper barons before him --- he understood the importance of
mixing entertainment with news.
Jason
Guy G
I think that reads better with "importance" replaced with "profitability".
The nicest thing you can say about Murdoch is that he's very skilled at
being a greedy fuck.
Guy
Dave Altman
> Fox News is just Republican propaganda. It's the American version of
> Soviet Pravda. It is an immoral cesspool of slanted, biased, agenda-based
> "journalism" that uses the first amendment to lie to the American people
> whenever it's convenient. It's currently popular talking head, Glen Beck,
> is a trollish imbecile who shouldn't be on TV in the first place but is
> instead spearheading movements that are helping to destroy this country.
> There is no amount of money that should cause a person to sell their soul
> for this gig. This was a deal with the devil. I'd sooner dance on
> someone's grave than help Glen Beck deliver his poisonous venom.
Tell us how you really feel, Jason. ;-D I'd pick apart your post,
point-by-point, if I saw where you
stepped over the line, but don't disagree with a single thing. Chris DID
dance on Francis Brunn's grave,
so his soul was already lost, or at least misplaced.
"- Voice over: Jugglers Dropped!
Yes, we get to the first of those who have left the chart since last year
or didn't get quite enough votes to break into the top 40 this year. The
first interesting story is Chris Chiappini. He was on the chart in 2003,
and yet he was the only juggler to get a minus amount of votes this year,
therefore is classed as the farthest falling juggler to ever be featured
on this chart. This is undoubtably down to his WJF profile video which
featured him dancing on Francis Brunn's grave. Not cool." ~Luke Burrage -
1st November, 2005.
http://www.jugglingdb.com/compendium/world/jugglers/top40of2005.html
Dave Altman