32X Color problem...
BelPowerslave
Just got around to finally opening up what I believed to be a dead
32X(thanks again, so very much, Bent!!!!) and found one of the sets of
wires hanging WAY out of the connection. Plugged it in, slapped it on
the Genesis, and miraculously it worked!!! MK2!!!!! YES! One thing
though, like, everything has a green tint to it. When you turn it on
with no game, the Sega CD menu is COMPLETELY green. Anyone have any
ideas of where else on the 32X I could look for wires being messed up or
anything?
Thanks in advance,
Bel
--
"At one time you used proudly to say: 'The League of the Scarlet
Pimpernel has never failed'."
- Sir Percy Blakeney in I Will Repay
Azathoth
>
> 'ello all,
>
> Just got around to finally opening up what I believed to be a dead
> 32X(thanks again, so very much, Bent!!!!) and found one of the sets of
> wires hanging WAY out of the connection. Plugged it in, slapped it on
> the Genesis, and miraculously it worked!!! MK2!!!!! YES! One thing
> though, like, everything has a green tint to it. When you turn it on
> with no game, the Sega CD menu is COMPLETELY green. Anyone have any
> ideas of where else on the 32X I could look for wires being messed up or
> anything?
I've had this problem before with my 32x connection. Turned my Sega CD
on one day and everything had this strange green tint to it. Powered
down and back up, same thing. Ended up unplugging every connection
(Genesis, 32x, SCD) and reconnecting and everything worked fine. I have
no idea what would cause it.
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BelPowerslave
> BelPowerslave wrote:
> >
> > 'ello all,
> >
> > Just got around to finally opening up what I believed to be a dead
> > 32X(thanks again, so very much, Bent!!!!) and found one of the sets of
> > wires hanging WAY out of the connection. Plugged it in, slapped it on
> > the Genesis, and miraculously it worked!!! MK2!!!!! YES! One thing
> > though, like, everything has a green tint to it. When you turn it on
> > with no game, the Sega CD menu is COMPLETELY green. Anyone have any
> > ideas of where else on the 32X I could look for wires being messed up or
> > anything?
>
> I've had this problem before with my 32x connection. Turned my Sega CD
> on one day and everything had this strange green tint to it. Powered
> down and back up, same thing. Ended up unplugging every connection
> (Genesis, 32x, SCD) and reconnecting and everything worked fine. I have
> no idea what would cause it.
>
Good call! I just went back in there, unhooked everything then rehooked it
all in. Still had the green, but started messing with the "Genesis 1
conversion cable". Sort of bent it back and forth, and there it was,
color(other than green)!!! Solid!!!! I must have played MK2 for at least an
hour solid, then I finally got to play Virtua Racing Deluxe(bought it, never
got a chance to play it). I even played Doom for a bit. Man, what the hell is
that running at? 320 X something? It's hard to believe that when I had my
first 32X, before it died, I used to play Doom EVERY damn day. I used to
think it was actually graphically impressive too. Of course, this is before I
had the Centris, and WAY before I had the iMac...;)
Kind of sucks, I used to have Shadow Squadron, now I don't know where it
is!!! Other than that, I really don't know what else is pretty good on 32X.
The only games I have ever played are MK2, Virtua Racing Deluxe, Doom, Space
Harrier and some space fighting game with lots of scaling(it was really bad).
Cosmic Fight maybe? I don't know...
At any rate, what does anyone think of the following:
Metal Head
SpiderMan: Web of Fire
Knuckles Chaotix
Supercross Motorbike Racing(I think that's what it's called)
Star Wars Arcade
Kolobri
Also, other than the ones above, what are some decent 32X games?
Bel, who is finally somewhat happy. Not only does he get to play MK2, but
Double Dragon actually works via the 32X...
Raymond McKeithen II
"BelPowerslave" <belpow...@ev1.net> wrote in message
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>
> Kind of sucks, I used to have Shadow Squadron, now I don't know where it
is!!!
If you want to buy another, you can get it new at Flashback Video Games
(www.flashbackinc.com) for $12.95. They have several of the other games you
mention below at the same price, and they're great to deal with.
> Other than that, I really don't know what else is pretty good on 32X.
> The only games I have ever played are MK2, Virtua Racing Deluxe, Doom,
Space
> Harrier and some space fighting game with lots of scaling(it was really
bad).
> Cosmic Fight maybe? I don't know...
I think it's probably "Cosmic Carnage."
> At any rate, what does anyone think of the following:
>
> Metal Head
> SpiderMan: Web of Fire
> Knuckles Chaotix
> Supercross Motorbike Racing(I think that's what it's called)
> Star Wars Arcade
> Kolobri
Of those all I've played is Chaotix. I think it's decent, though the
gratuitous over-use of scaling annoyed me a lot (when you switch between
some characters it does this stupid scaling "cinema" that gets annoying
after you see it a few times). Just don't expect it to be a Sonic game,
because while it looks a lot like one it plays quite differently; not
necessarily better or worse, just different.
Kolibri seems like an interesting shooter but I never got to play it.
> Also, other than the ones above, what are some decent 32X games?
Perhaps Tempo. A bit hard for me to judge as I played the Japanese Saturn's
"Super Tempo" first and I didn't like the different play mechanics of the
32X game as much as the Saturn game. Besides, where else can you hear "rap"
from a cartridge game? ;)
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Raymond
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Scott X
>
> > BelPowerslave wrote:
> > >
> > > 'ello all,
Did you just say hello?
>
> Good call! I just went back in there, unhooked everything then rehooked it
> all in. Still had the green, but started messing with the "Genesis 1
> conversion cable". Sort of bent it back and forth, and there it was,
> color(other than green)!!! Solid!!!! I must have played MK2 for at least
an
> hour solid, then I finally got to play Virtua Racing Deluxe(bought it,
never
> got a chance to play it). I even played Doom for a bit. Man, what the hell
is
> that running at? 320 X something? It's hard to believe that when I had my
> first 32X, before it died, I used to play Doom EVERY damn day. I used to
> think it was actually graphically impressive too. Of course, this is
before I
> had the Centris, and WAY before I had the iMac...;)
Sometimes mine gets set wrong in the Genesis cartridge slot too, and
wiggling it fixes the problem. No idea how bad that is for the systems.
Heh.
> Kind of sucks, I used to have Shadow Squadron, now I don't know where it
> is!!! Other than that, I really don't know what else is pretty good on
32X.
> The only games I have ever played are MK2, Virtua Racing Deluxe, Doom,
Space
> Harrier and some space fighting game with lots of scaling(it was really
bad).
> Cosmic Fight maybe? I don't know...
Cosmic Carnage, flawed but underrated game. Extremely difficult, and
fairly diverse thanks to the armor->special move system.
> At any rate, what does anyone think of the following:
>
> Metal Head
Decent Mech shooter with crappy explosions and a low framerate. Nice
texturework for the time.
> SpiderMan: Web of Fire
Sucks, but don't tell that to the fools payin $90+ for it because it's
*rare* on e-bay. I'm glad I got rid of mine.
> Knuckles Chaotix
Revamped 32X version of a Sonic 5 beta rom floating around the Internet
called Sonic Crackers. They turned Sonic into Mighty the Armadillo. Decent
graphics, boring level design, interesting gameplay concept requiring
interaction with another character at all times. Biggest last boss fight of
all the 2D Sonics. (Full screen red mecha sonic in a Mario World Bowser
style scaling and rotation special effects fest).
> Supercross Motorbike Racing(I think that's what it's called)
Decent texture work for the system. Not bad gameplay, somewhat similar to
Enduro Racer on the old SMS.
> Star Wars Arcade
Worst and most popular game on the system. Crappy graphics, crappy midi
music, crappy gameplay, low framerate, low resolution, no texture work (not
necessarily a bad thing). Get Shadow Squadron again, it's what this game
should have been.
> Kolobri
Dunno, can't get a hold of one for a reasonable price.
> Also, other than the ones above, what are some decent 32X games?
After Burner, Space Harrier, Virtua Racing, Shadow Squadron, Virtua
Figher, NBA JAM, MK2, Knuckles Chaotix, Blackthorne, Cosmic Carnage. That's
about all I can think of off the top of my head that contains anything
memorable. Check out http://eidolon.psp.net/
> Bel, who is finally somewhat happy. Not only does he get to play MK2, but
> Double Dragon actually works via the 32X...
What? You don't feel ripped off and taken by Sega? Hmm..... you should
read more mass media mags, they'll set you straight about how much the 32X
sucks. Heheh.
Azathoth
>
> Azathoth wrote:
>
> > BelPowerslave wrote:
> > >
> > > 'ello all,
> > >
> > > Just got around to finally opening up what I believed to be a dead
> > > 32X(thanks again, so very much, Bent!!!!) and found one of the sets of
> > > wires hanging WAY out of the connection.
> At any rate, what does anyone think of the following:
>
> Metal Head
As another poster said, this has an absolutely horrid framerate. This
really affects you after experiencing some of the eye candy we have
nowadays. Its got some interesting missions and some other cool stuff
about it, you just have to get past the slow ass pace of the game to
enjoy it.
I especially liked the mission where you chased an army jeep around the
city.
> Supercross Motorbike Racing(I think that's what it's called)
Motocross Championship
This is one of the worst games I've ever played in my life. Its one of
the few games I truly regret buying. I can't believe I paid 40 bucks for
this turd. Stay far, far away.
> Also, other than the ones above, what are some decent 32X games?
Afterburner 2 was pretty good. I also read that both the Sega baseball
game (World Series Baseball?) and the Acclaim Quarterback Club game were
really good.
P-O Gabriele
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>
> What? You don't feel ripped off and taken by Sega? Hmm..... you should
> read more mass media mags, they'll set you straight about how much the 32X
> sucks. Heheh.
>
You're little comments are annoying.......
Are you still crying because there's some people who don't like SA2.
-P.O
Scott X
"P-O Gabriele" <kei...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
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Actually, I'm making fun of all the people out there that believe they
were ripped off by Sega because of the 32X. Especially all the ones that
never actually bought a 32X, but read about it somewhere as sucking.
As far as SA2 goes, I don't care if people don't like it. I can see
lots of reasons why people wouldn't like the game. It being extremely
difficult to rank well being the best reason. I just don't get why people
try to run backwards in the levels and call it a camera problem when it
swings back around to point you in the right direction.
Oh, and who the hell are you? Try to stick to one screen name and maybe I'd
care.
Scott X
>
> "P-O Gabriele" <kei...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
> news:nKuj8.20506$Uk6.9...@weber.videotron.net...
> > Still whinning when someone doesn't agree with you.
> > You're little comments are annoying.......
> > Are you still crying because there's some people who don't like SA2.
> >
> > -P.O
> >
>
> Actually, I'm making fun of all the people out there that believe they
> were ripped off by Sega because of the 32X. Especially all the ones that
> never actually bought a 32X, but read about it somewhere as sucking.
> As far as SA2 goes, I don't care if people don't like it. I can see
> lots of reasons why people wouldn't like the game. It being extremely
> difficult to rank well being the best reason. I just don't get why people
> try to run backwards in the levels and call it a camera problem when it
> swings back around to point you in the right direction.
>
> Oh, and who the hell are you? Try to stick to one screen name and maybe
I'd
> care.
>
Ack, sorry, looks like you're not a troll. You're tone had me fooled,
what with all the name changing trolls we've got now days.
P-O Gabriele
It's just that i got 3 of your post with the same lines and i found it
redundant. I also remember the thread about sonic and jumped to conclusion.
As for my name changes they're mostly due to windows crashes, change of cpu
and lazyness on my part. I didn't try to fool anyone. Btw don't tell me
there's a big difference with me posting under P-O Gabriele and
Pierre-Olivier Gabriele.
I still didn't like SoA2 :)
And now back to Sakura Taisen.........
-P.O
BelPowerslave
> > > > 'ello all,
>
> Did you just say hello?
>
Yes.
>
> Sometimes mine gets set wrong in the Genesis cartridge slot too, and
> wiggling it fixes the problem. No idea how bad that is for the systems.
> Heh.
>
Well, it was only the Genesis 1 conversion cable, I don't think that's too
terribly bad.
>
> > SpiderMan: Web of Fire
>
> Sucks, but don't tell that to the fools payin $90+ for it because it's
> *rare* on e-bay. I'm glad I got rid of mine.
>
Ugh, I don't think I'd ever shell out that kind of cash for anything other than
Mega Man: The Wily Wars. Around here, if you can find them, buy 32X games for
about $4 and lower.
>
> > Knuckles Chaotix
>
> Revamped 32X version of a Sonic 5 beta rom floating around the Internet
> called Sonic Crackers. They turned Sonic into Mighty the Armadillo. Decent
> graphics, boring level design, interesting gameplay concept requiring
> interaction with another character at all times. Biggest last boss fight of
> all the 2D Sonics. (Full screen red mecha sonic in a Mario World Bowser
> style scaling and rotation special effects fest).
>
Sounds great!! This, along with Shadow Squadron are on my serious watch list.
>
> > Supercross Motorbike Racing(I think that's what it's called)
>
> Decent texture work for the system. Not bad gameplay, somewhat similar to
> Enduro Racer on the old SMS.
>
I almost picked this up today, but it was $7 so I passed...
>
> > Star Wars Arcade
>
> Worst and most popular game on the system. Crappy graphics, crappy midi
> music, crappy gameplay, low framerate, low resolution, no texture work (not
> necessarily a bad thing). Get Shadow Squadron again, it's what this game
> should have been.
>
I just ordered SS, and passed on SW today(thank the goddess). Thanks for the
advice, I was actually considering SW, but I think I will hold off until I can
get it for about $2 or so.
>
> > Kolobri
>
> Dunno, can't get a hold of one for a reasonable price.
>
It's another one I have seen for around $4. I will have to pick it up next time
I see it.
>
> > Also, other than the ones above, what are some decent 32X games?
>
> After Burner, Space Harrier, Virtua Racing, Shadow Squadron, Virtua
> Figher, NBA JAM, MK2, Knuckles Chaotix, Blackthorne, Cosmic Carnage. That's
> about all I can think of off the top of my head that contains anything
> memorable. Check out http://eidolon.psp.net/
>
I will do that. Perhaps they will have a complete list of all the 32X games out
there. Some that you mentioned, I didn't even realize were out.
>
> > Bel, who is finally somewhat happy. Not only does he get to play MK2, but
> > Double Dragon actually works via the 32X...
>
> What? You don't feel ripped off and taken by Sega?
Well, had I have bought it when it was $150, perhaps. I have had three, the
first was $20 new at Toys R Us: It broke soon enough. The second was $15 at a
pawn shop: It never worked very well. The third was given to me(along with the
gloriously low res Doom): It works fine.
> Hmm..... you should
> read more mass media mags, they'll set you straight about how much the 32X
> sucks. Heheh.
>
Hmmmm, I will assume your just kidding; I'd hate to think you were so happy to
contribute to the thread only to slam me at the end based on the assumption
that I was happy with my 32X. ;)
Bel
BelPowerslave
> "BelPowerslave" <belpow...@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:3C8DA303...@ev1.net...
> >
> > Kind of sucks, I used to have Shadow Squadron, now I don't know where it
> is!!!
>
> If you want to buy another, you can get it new at Flashback Video Games
> (www.flashbackinc.com) for $12.95. They have several of the other games you
> mention below at the same price, and they're great to deal with.
>
SHHHHHHHH!!!!! Raymond, you're killing me here! Keep it on the "qt" until I
get it ordered! ;)
Seriously though, I just ordered it a bit ago, thanks for the info! My only
problem with Flashback are the outrageous shipping charges. $6 to ship me SS!
Now, for this game, it's worth it, but still....
>
> Of those all I've played is Chaotix. I think it's decent, though the
> gratuitous over-use of scaling annoyed me a lot (when you switch between
> some characters it does this stupid scaling "cinema" that gets annoying
> after you see it a few times). Just don't expect it to be a Sonic game,
> because while it looks a lot like one it plays quite differently; not
> necessarily better or worse, just different.
>
Hmmmm, thanks for the info. I actually was expecting a Sonic knockoff, so I
don't know whether or not to be happy or dissapointed. It still looks pretty
cool, I will have to see what I can do about getting it.
>
> Kolibri seems like an interesting shooter but I never got to play it.
>
It's done by the same people who did Ecco right?
>
> > Also, other than the ones above, what are some decent 32X games?
>
> Perhaps Tempo. A bit hard for me to judge as I played the Japanese Saturn's
> "Super Tempo" first and I didn't like the different play mechanics of the
> 32X game as much as the Saturn game. Besides, where else can you hear "rap"
> from a cartridge game? ;)
>
Heheheheh, sounds good to me. Another on the list...
I went out today looking for SS, but had no luck. I did manage to find some
badass deals though. Picked up:
NBA Jam: TE for 32X for $4 - Not too bad, but other than the scaling
characters does anyone see any real differences between this and the regular
Genesis version?
*Hardcore-I-cannot-believe-it-deal-of-the-day* Picked up both Genghis Kahn II
and Romance of the Three Kingdoms III COMPLETE! Box, cart, manual and map: all
of it! I about passed out when I saw them. $4.99 and $14.99 respectively.
Got a few random Genesis games: Hit the Ice($1.99), Soldiers of Fortune($4.90)
and James Pond 2($1.99). Actually, these were free since Gamestop was having a
buy two get one free sale.
Then, and this is absolutely hilarious, I found this game(new, still in
shrinkwrap) called "Funny World & Balloon Boy". It's a non-licensed, 2 in 1
cart. The game is a SQUARE; not like the regular Genesis games. The manual is
a double sided fold out pamphlet with mediocre character drawings on it. I
cannot get the game to start though! You put it in, you get the "Realtec"
screen, then the choice of games, hit start and it takes you back to the
"Realtec" screen. I guess trying to get the motherfucker to work is half the
fun...;)
Oh, and the real jewels: Picked up a BRAND new, in box Lethal Enforcers for
Sega CD. The HUGE box, with the gun and game! Got part two as well(both
together were less than $20). Too cool....nothing like putting 28 bullets in
any civillian stupid enough to walk across the screen while you are taking out
the small army of men who decided to all rob this average bank...;)
Bel
Scott X
Yeah, I had jumped to the conclusion that you were bad guy or omarichao
renamed, and then discovered I was wrong and posted again in appology. No,
that's not a significant name change to confuse anyone. :)
> I still didn't like SoA2 :)
The key point would be why did you not like SA2? If it's just because
it didn't appeal to you, or you didn't like some part of the gameplay,
that's cool. If you're going to make up problems like lots of other people
are doing, then my former posts about SA2 apply to you.
There is a reason I posted those SA2 posts. It's been an extremely
popular comment in the media to say that SA2 has a camera problem, and then
not describe the problem, and then major mike over at gamepro magazine even
claimed that it had a stuttering framerate. In this forum I finally worked
out that the camera 'problem' is in fact the player trying to run back to
the beginning of the Sonic levels, and the camera forces you to move forward
in the levels by always pointing in that direction. I don't see that as a
problem, it's part of the gameplay, move forward, play the level again if
you want to see something. Like NiGHTs, the main focus of the Sonic levels
is collecting as many rings and points while finishing the level quickly,
not exploring. Go to the "lame" Knuckles levels for that.
> And now back to Sakura Taisen.........
Cool, gonna have to try those some day.
> -P.O
>
>
>
Scott X
> >
> > > > > 'ello all,
> >
> > Did you just say hello?
> >
>
> Yes.
No, you said 'ello.
Sorry, bad reference.
> >
> > Sometimes mine gets set wrong in the Genesis cartridge slot too, and
> > wiggling it fixes the problem. No idea how bad that is for the systems.
> > Heh.
> >
>
> Well, it was only the Genesis 1 conversion cable, I don't think that's too
> terribly bad.
Oh, no, I was referring to my 32X actually having to be wiggled in the
Genesis catridge port it sits in, sometimes. That's probably a bad idea
with the system on, I'd imagine.
> >
> > > SpiderMan: Web of Fire
> >
> > Sucks, but don't tell that to the fools payin $90+ for it because it's
> > *rare* on e-bay. I'm glad I got rid of mine.
> >
>
> Ugh, I don't think I'd ever shell out that kind of cash for anything other
than
> Mega Man: The Wily Wars. Around here, if you can find them, buy 32X games
for
> about $4 and lower.
Yeah, I think the most I've ever payed for a game alone was $70 for
Revenge of Shinobi. Little did I know I got a rare American release of the
version that still had SpiderMan turn into Batman, instead of turning into a
gargoyle.
> >
> > > Knuckles Chaotix
> >
> > Revamped 32X version of a Sonic 5 beta rom floating around the
Internet
> > called Sonic Crackers. They turned Sonic into Mighty the Armadillo.
Decent
> > graphics, boring level design, interesting gameplay concept requiring
> > interaction with another character at all times. Biggest last boss
fight of
> > all the 2D Sonics. (Full screen red mecha sonic in a Mario World Bowser
> > style scaling and rotation special effects fest).
> >
>
> Sounds great!! This, along with Shadow Squadron are on my serious watch
list.
Yeah, it's worth owning, but not as solid as the Sonic games are.
> >
> > > Supercross Motorbike Racing(I think that's what it's called)
> >
> > Decent texture work for the system. Not bad gameplay, somewhat similar
to
> > Enduro Racer on the old SMS.
> >
>
> I almost picked this up today, but it was $7 so I passed...
Man, I wish I could find them for that. They sell them for $9 + here,
usually without docs or the original box.
> >
> > > Star Wars Arcade
> >
> > Worst and most popular game on the system. Crappy graphics, crappy midi
> > music, crappy gameplay, low framerate, low resolution, no texture work
(not
> > necessarily a bad thing). Get Shadow Squadron again, it's what this
game
> > should have been.
> >
>
> I just ordered SS, and passed on SW today(thank the goddess). Thanks for
the
> advice, I was actually considering SW, but I think I will hold off until I
can
> get it for about $2 or so.
Good plan.
> >
> > > Kolobri
> >
> > Dunno, can't get a hold of one for a reasonable price.
> >
>
> It's another one I have seen for around $4. I will have to pick it up next
time
> I see it.
Really? Dangit, stupid small town market. I know I'm the only one here
who buys these things, and they'll never negotiate with me, or sell their
"display" boxes with the game. I ought to make them an insert for the game
I want with photo shop and give them that, then they could put it in one of
their crappy universal cartridge boxes, and give me the good stuff. ;|
> >
> > > Also, other than the ones above, what are some decent 32X games?
> >
> > After Burner, Space Harrier, Virtua Racing, Shadow Squadron, Virtua
> > Figher, NBA JAM, MK2, Knuckles Chaotix, Blackthorne, Cosmic Carnage.
That's
> > about all I can think of off the top of my head that contains anything
> > memorable. Check out http://eidolon.psp.net/
> >
>
> I will do that. Perhaps they will have a complete list of all the 32X
games out
> there. Some that you mentioned, I didn't even realize were out.
There's more, BC Racers came out for 32X as well, and I think they were
working on a version of Soul Star as well. There's also TMek that I forgot
about.
> >
> > > Bel, who is finally somewhat happy. Not only does he get to play MK2,
but
> > > Double Dragon actually works via the 32X...
> >
> > What? You don't feel ripped off and taken by Sega?
>
> Well, had I have bought it when it was $150, perhaps. I have had three,
the
> first was $20 new at Toys R Us: It broke soon enough. The second was $15
at a
> pawn shop: It never worked very well. The third was given to me(along with
the
> gloriously low res Doom): It works fine.
Heh, bought mine for $150, as a result I didn't buy the Saturn until
December 1995 when VF2 came out. I never felt ripped off, it was obvious
the danged thing didn't sell, that's why there are still 32Xs readily
available new in their original boxes, when only 500K were made. I don't
see how that would be Sega's fault at any rate. Ah well.
> > Hmm..... you should
> > read more mass media mags, they'll set you straight about how much the
32X
> > sucks. Heheh.
> >
>
> Hmmmm, I will assume your just kidding; I'd hate to think you were so
happy to
> contribute to the thread only to slam me at the end based on the
assumption
> that I was happy with my 32X. ;)
I'm making fun of popular sentiment. I like my 32X too, played it a lot
and would never take it off my Genesis 1 CD unit.
BelPowerslave
> Yeah, I think the most I've ever payed for a game alone was $70 for
> Revenge of Shinobi. Little did I know I got a rare American release of the
> version that still had SpiderMan turn into Batman, instead of turning into a
> gargoyle.
Oy! I have it as well, but I don't remember where I got it. I think at some
Funco Land or something. What is the other version like? It's not Spiderman and
Batman? I don't think I have ever seen the one without them.
>
> > I almost picked this up today, but it was $7 so I passed...
>
> Man, I wish I could find them for that. They sell them for $9 + here,
> usually without docs or the original box.
>
That always gets me, when they want $10 or so and it's JUST the cart. I have
become either an extreme cheapskate or just outrageously picky when it comes to
buying old Genesis/Sega CD/32X stuff. It's like I'll only pay the following
based on certain aspects:
$0.99 to $3.99 - Cart only
$4.99 to $9.99 - I better at least get the damn box with it
$9.99+ - Unless this game is rare, I better have the box and booklet(complete)!
>
> Really? Dangit, stupid small town market. I know I'm the only one here
> who buys these things, and they'll never negotiate with me, or sell their
> "display" boxes with the game.
That's another thing that would get me: You got to Funco or someplace, they
open a drawer FULL of manuals that they WILL NOT give you unless you ask them
for when you're buying a game! I did catch one guy, who let me rumage through
the drawer and dig out quite a few booklets...but that was the only time it's
ever happened.
> I ought to make them an insert for the game
> I want with photo shop and give them that, then they could put it in one of
> their crappy universal cartridge boxes, and give me the good stuff. ;|
Especially when it's JUST a display box. It's like, they're not collectors,
they don't care if the game is complete, but yet they guard or leave out pieces
to it. Like Blockbuster, they give you the game, but keep the case and manual
so they can pitch them later(bastards). I think Hollywood Video is my favorite.
Sometime, go in there and just start opening cases, you will find that EVERY
ONE OF THEM has the damn booklet in it. They won't even let you borrow it when
you rent the game!!!
>
> There's more, BC Racers came out for 32X as well, and I think they were
> working on a version of Soul Star as well. There's also TMek that I forgot
> about.
>
I hate to ask, but was Primal Rage any better on 32X?
>
> Heh, bought mine for $150, as a result I didn't buy the Saturn until
> December 1995 when VF2 came out. I never felt ripped off, it was obvious
> the danged thing didn't sell, that's why there are still 32Xs readily
> available new in their original boxes, when only 500K were made. I don't
> see how that would be Sega's fault at any rate. Ah well.
>
Well, my favorites are the Nintendo fans who seemingly forget about the Virtual
Boy...;)
>
> I'm making fun of popular sentiment. I like my 32X too, played it a lot
> and would never take it off my Genesis 1 CD unit.
You're alright in my book, man! :)
P-O Gabriele
>
> "P-O Gabriele" <kei...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
> news:n3yj8.22940$Uk6.1...@weber.videotron.net...
> >
> > I still didn't like SoA2 :)
>
> The key point would be why did you not like SA2? If it's just because
> it didn't appeal to you, or you didn't like some part of the gameplay,
> that's cool. If you're going to make up problems like lots of other
people
> are doing, then my former posts about SA2 apply to you.
> There is a reason I posted those SA2 posts. It's been an extremely
> popular comment in the media to say that SA2 has a camera problem, and
then
> not describe the problem, and then major mike over at gamepro magazine
even
> claimed that it had a stuttering framerate. In this forum I finally
worked
> out that the camera 'problem' is in fact the player trying to run back to
> the beginning of the Sonic levels, and the camera forces you to move
forward
> in the levels by always pointing in that direction. I don't see that as a
> problem, it's part of the gameplay, move forward, play the level again if
> you want to see something. Like NiGHTs, the main focus of the Sonic
levels
> is collecting as many rings and points while finishing the level quickly,
> not exploring. Go to the "lame" Knuckles levels for that.
>
the problem. Another factor may be the summer heat and school. I was going
to school all summer in Design and 3d animation for videogames and just
finished in december. So now, when i play a game i have to just "play" and
not look at it like it's work or i just end up finding faults.
For SoA2 i had expected too much as when my friend loaned me is copy he told
me something along the line of "i couldn't stop to play". It started good
with Sonic (i don't care about exploration i just wanted to run FAST :) )
but it degenerated with Knuckles and Tails. Really hate thoses as they're
just boring.
> > And now back to Sakura Taisen.........
>
> Cool, gonna have to try those some day.
>
You really have because it's just "charming" (i can't find a better word).
And that's coming from someone who don't speak japanese and not a fan of
dating games. I was hesitant first but i endend getting it with a bunch of
saturn games like Shining Force III Part3, Shadow of the Tusk and Waku Waku
Puyo Puyo Dungeon. I just started playing it and it's addictive. I will get
the others on the Dc but i wish someone could translate thoses. No Working
Designs please................
-P.O
Scott X
> >
> > Yeah, I think the most I've ever payed for a game alone was $70 for
> > Revenge of Shinobi. Little did I know I got a rare American release of
the
> > version that still had SpiderMan turn into Batman, instead of turning
into a
> > gargoyle.
>
> Oy! I have it as well, but I don't remember where I got it. I think at
some
> Funco Land or something. What is the other version like? It's not
Spiderman and
> Batman? I don't think I have ever seen the one without them.
I have two versions, the SegaCD1 classics disk version I think is the
same as the greatest hits version. Spider man turns into a gargoyal instead
of Batman, and Godzilla has no skin, making him a lot less recognizable, but
much cooler looking since you can see his organs in good detail. There's
also apparantly a version with Batman changed to a gargoyal but Godzilla
still has skin like the original version I have.
> >
> > > I almost picked this up today, but it was $7 so I passed...
> >
> > Man, I wish I could find them for that. They sell them for $9 +
here,
> > usually without docs or the original box.
> >
>
> That always gets me, when they want $10 or so and it's JUST the cart. I
have
> become either an extreme cheapskate or just outrageously picky when it
comes to
> buying old Genesis/Sega CD/32X stuff. It's like I'll only pay the
following
> based on certain aspects:
>
> $0.99 to $3.99 - Cart only
> $4.99 to $9.99 - I better at least get the damn box with it
> $9.99+ - Unless this game is rare, I better have the box and
booklet(complete)!
Yeah, I wouldn't even buy a game without the box until recently.
Without a lot of new games coming out, I'm bored more often and have the
cash to pick up those old titles. I've lowered my standards lately in favor
of actually owning games like SSF2 & TJ&E2, instead of just remembering
them.
>
>
> >
> > Really? Dangit, stupid small town market. I know I'm the only one
here
> > who buys these things, and they'll never negotiate with me, or sell
their
> > "display" boxes with the game.
>
> That's another thing that would get me: You got to Funco or someplace,
they
> open a drawer FULL of manuals that they WILL NOT give you unless you ask
them
> for when you're buying a game! I did catch one guy, who let me rumage
through
> the drawer and dig out quite a few booklets...but that was the only time
it's
> ever happened.
Hmm, I'll have to check Funco in San Antonio next time I'm in town.
That'd be interesting.
> > I ought to make them an insert for the game
> > I want with photo shop and give them that, then they could put it in one
of
> > their crappy universal cartridge boxes, and give me the good stuff. ;|
>
> Especially when it's JUST a display box. It's like, they're not
collectors,
> they don't care if the game is complete, but yet they guard or leave out
pieces
> to it. Like Blockbuster, they give you the game, but keep the case and
manual
> so they can pitch them later(bastards). I think Hollywood Video is my
favorite.
> Sometime, go in there and just start opening cases, you will find that
EVERY
> ONE OF THEM has the damn booklet in it. They won't even let you borrow it
when
> you rent the game!!!
Yeah, no kidding, I could make a near perfect photo copy of those
inserts and give it back to them no problem. It's not like they'll ever try
to sell it as mint on e-bay or anything.
> >
> > There's more, BC Racers came out for 32X as well, and I think they
were
> > working on a version of Soul Star as well. There's also TMek that I
forgot
> > about.
> >
>
> I hate to ask, but was Primal Rage any better on 32X?
I never played any version of that game, so I couldn't tell you. I'm
not even certain I've ever seen it's box for 32X. As cheap as the Genny
port was, I'd bet they just upped the colors or something on the same small
sprites.
> >
> > Heh, bought mine for $150, as a result I didn't buy the Saturn until
> > December 1995 when VF2 came out. I never felt ripped off, it was
obvious
> > the danged thing didn't sell, that's why there are still 32Xs readily
> > available new in their original boxes, when only 500K were made. I
don't
> > see how that would be Sega's fault at any rate. Ah well.
> >
>
> Well, my favorites are the Nintendo fans who seemingly forget about the
Virtual
> Boy...;)
Yeah, especially considering that the 32X is the only Sega system, that
was really just an add-on no different from the Snes SFX chip that came with
the carts, that didn't get a library of over 100 games. The SegaCD and
Saturn weren't really failures software wise, they just weren't huge
commercial successes.
> >
> > I'm making fun of popular sentiment. I like my 32X too, played it a
lot
> > and would never take it off my Genesis 1 CD unit.
>
> You're alright in my book, man! :)
Hey! Thanks, you're alright yourself. I know I'm anal about people
bashing things that are good, just because they aren't popular. I also know
that because of that, I'm not going to be very popular. Heh.
Scott X
>
> "Scott X" <weapo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a6nlao$fmdc6$1...@ID-54280.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > "P-O Gabriele" <kei...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
> > news:n3yj8.22940$Uk6.1...@weber.videotron.net...
> > >
> <Snipped>
> > > I still didn't like SoA2 :)
> >
> > The key point would be why did you not like SA2? If it's just
because
> > it didn't appeal to you, or you didn't like some part of the gameplay,
> > that's cool. If you're going to make up problems like lots of other
> people
> > are doing, then my former posts about SA2 apply to you.
>Like NiGHTs, the main focus of the Sonic
> levels
> > is collecting as many rings and points while finishing the level
quickly,
> > not exploring. Go to the "lame" Knuckles levels for that.
> >
> Firstlet me say that i really wanted to like Soa2 and maybe that's part of
> the problem. Another factor may be the summer heat and school. I was
going
> to school all summer in Design and 3d animation for videogames and just
> finished in december. So now, when i play a game i have to just "play" and
> not look at it like it's work or i just end up finding faults.
I can relate to that. For years I haven't been able to enjoy a game, no
matter how well it's made, if it doesn't make a significant advancement in
gameplay (physics, AI, control options, speed, etc.) from other games that
are similar. It's like watching a sitcom, I know what's going to happen,
I've been there before, nothing's new, and the game isn't necessarily even
as fun as the game that did it first.
That's actually why I like SA2, sure the adventure and shooting levels
are dull compared to the Sonic levels. But there's nothing really wrong
with them either, the Sonic levels are just blazingly fast and far more
entertaining because of it. But......
> For SoA2 i had expected too much as when my friend loaned me is copy he
told
> me something along the line of "i couldn't stop to play". It started good
> with Sonic (i don't care about exploration i just wanted to run FAST :) )
> but it degenerated with Knuckles and Tails. Really hate thoses as they're
> just boring.
I can't blame you for thinking they're boring, although the later levels
of both are far from uninspired, and were actually fairly fun for me. After
I beat the game though, I never played any of those levels again. Except
for a cool Knuckles or Rouge level that has moons and meteors that you fly
or float to, that suck you into their gravity. Then you have to use a
spring, to get out of it's gravity well, after finding an emerald. That
level is just cool. I would definitely prefer a gameplay style that would
make those levels optional the first time through, it is a Sonic game after
all.
> > > And now back to Sakura Taisen.........
> >
> > Cool, gonna have to try those some day.
> >
> You really have because it's just "charming" (i can't find a better word).
> And that's coming from someone who don't speak japanese and not a fan of
> dating games. I was hesitant first but i endend getting it with a bunch of
> saturn games like Shining Force III Part3, Shadow of the Tusk and Waku
Waku
> Puyo Puyo Dungeon. I just started playing it and it's addictive. I will
get
> the others on the Dc but i wish someone could translate thoses. No Working
> Designs please................
I have Shining Force III scenario 1 and 2. Never finished 2 because I
keep telling myself I'm going to translate it with my huge Japanese
character to English dictionary. It takes me an hour to translate one
dialog screen. Heheh. I do love those games, I have the Japanese Saturn
version of Grandia as well, it's way better than the US counterpart in
acting quality. I'll just leave WD out of it, they helped to negatively
hype the DC and push the PS2, and with UbiSoft and even Eidos now doing
translations too, I really don't see the need to buy one of their overpriced
limited edition games. Although I do love Gamearts and Technosoft games.
> -P.O
>
>
>
P-O Gabriele
shooting levels they drag the game down. I mean you get an high speed rush
then you have to find the key in the mines. I guess it was designed to add
variety but it only bring boredom. :)
> > For SoA2 i had expected too much as when my friend loaned me is copy he
> told
> > me something along the line of "i couldn't stop to play". It started
good
> > with Sonic (i don't care about exploration i just wanted to run FAST
:) )
> > but it degenerated with Knuckles and Tails. Really hate thoses as
they're
> > just boring.
>
> I can't blame you for thinking they're boring, although the later
levels
> of both are far from uninspired, and were actually fairly fun for me.
After
> I beat the game though, I never played any of those levels again. Except
> for a cool Knuckles or Rouge level that has moons and meteors that you fly
> or float to, that suck you into their gravity. Then you have to use a
> spring, to get out of it's gravity well, after finding an emerald. That
> level is just cool. I would definitely prefer a gameplay style that would
> make those levels optional the first time through, it is a Sonic game
after
> all.
>
If it was a real Sonic games i wouldn't complaint at all. I think they
should rename it like Sonics and it's shooting friends or something more
accurate than Sonic Adventure. Thinking of it the first one had rights to be
called "adventure" but there's no adventure at all in SoA2
> > > > And now back to Sakura Taisen.........
> > >
> > > Cool, gonna have to try those some day.
> > >
> > You really have because it's just "charming" (i can't find a better
word).
> > And that's coming from someone who don't speak japanese and not a fan of
> > dating games. I was hesitant first but i endend getting it with a bunch
of
> > saturn games like Shining Force III Part3, Shadow of the Tusk and Waku
> Waku
> > Puyo Puyo Dungeon. I just started playing it and it's addictive. I will
> get
> > the others on the Dc but i wish someone could translate thoses. No
Working
> > Designs please................
>
> I have Shining Force III scenario 1 and 2. Never finished 2 because I
> keep telling myself I'm going to translate it with my huge Japanese
> character to English dictionary. It takes me an hour to translate one
> dialog screen. Heheh. I do love those games, I have the Japanese Saturn
> version of Grandia as well, it's way better than the US counterpart in
> acting quality. I'll just leave WD out of it, they helped to negatively
> hype the DC and push the PS2, and with UbiSoft and even Eidos now doing
> translations too, I really don't see the need to buy one of their
overpriced
> limited edition games. Although I do love Gamearts and Technosoft games.
>
I tried to translate all the screen but it's easier getting a translation on
the net than anything.
If i was Working Design i wouldn't hype the Ps2 while i publish games like
Gungriffon or Silpheed :).
Talking about Technosoft....... what are they doing now. It's been a while
since we heard from the company.
-P.O
Scott X
>
> "Scott X" <weapo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a6o7jd$fp6v0$1...@ID-54280.news.dfncis.de...
I totally agree. But I think it says more for how advanced the
Sonic/Shadow levels are to other 3D gameplay styles, than it hurts Sonic
Adventure 2 as a game. I mean for shooter and adventure style levels, there
really isn't anything out there to compare the Knuckles and Tails levels to
that would be a completely fair comparison, because they're unique too. If
you went from the Sonic levels in SA2 to, say, Mario 64, or Zelda, or Donkey
Kong or something, I think a similar boredom reaction would would occur.
None of those games require the insane reaction time and pin point accuracy
that the Sonic/Shadow levels do to get a good rating.
I agree with this as well. I think that's where the complaining is
coming in about SA2, it says it's a Sonic game, but it's really a game in
Sonic's world. However, except for Sonic CD and Sonic 1, every Sonic game
had different characters to play as. They just concerved space and didn't
give them their own levels. Sonic Adventure 1 did a similar thing, and made
the other characters play through Sonic's levels, but SA2 gave them their
own levels and now everyone complains, even though there's easily just as
many Sonic/Shadow levels as there have been in past games.
> > I have Shining Force III scenario 1 and 2. Never finished 2 because
I
> > keep telling myself I'm going to translate it with my huge Japanese
> > character to English dictionary. It takes me an hour to translate one
> > dialog screen. Heheh. I do love those games, I have the Japanese
Saturn
> > version of Grandia as well, it's way better than the US counterpart in
> > acting quality. I'll just leave WD out of it, they helped to negatively
> > hype the DC and push the PS2, and with UbiSoft and even Eidos now doing
> > translations too, I really don't see the need to buy one of their
> overpriced
> > limited edition games. Although I do love Gamearts and Technosoft
games.
> >
> I tried to translate all the screen but it's easier getting a translation
on
> the net than anything.
Well the general idea is to take the Kanji I translate and their
context, put them on flash cards and memorize them. This I have been doing,
and I figure I only have about 1800 more Kanji to memorize before I'll be
able to read Japanese. Heheh. Oh, I have taken two years of Japanese, so I
know how to pronounce the words, sentence structure, a hiragana/katakana.
It's just a big task to actually get familiar with the way the language is
actually used by native speakers.
> If i was Working Design i wouldn't hype the Ps2 while i publish games like
> Gungriffon or Silpheed :).
> Talking about Technosoft....... what are they doing now. It's been a while
> since we heard from the company.
Last game I knew of was Thunder Force V on Saturn, maybe one of the
Thunder Force Gold packs. It's a shame really, they made great shooters.
Maybe they're staying alive on hamster sims over in Japan or something.
> -P.O
>
>
>
BelPowerslave
> I have two versions, the SegaCD1 classics disk version I think is the
> same as the greatest hits version. Spider man turns into a gargoyal instead
> of Batman, and Godzilla has no skin, making him a lot less recognizable, but
> much cooler looking since you can see his organs in good detail. There's
> also apparantly a version with Batman changed to a gargoyal but Godzilla
> still has skin like the original version I have.
>
Hmmmm, but the rare version has Spider-man turning into Batman right? I have
that one, and the Sega Classics(CD) version.
>
> Yeah, I wouldn't even buy a game without the box until recently.
> Without a lot of new games coming out, I'm bored more often and have the
> cash to pick up those old titles. I've lowered my standards lately in favor
> of actually owning games like SSF2 & TJ&E2, instead of just remembering
> them.
>
I don't think I could live without the constant thrill of picking up old
Genesis games! Even with 177 games in my collection, there are still soooooo
many I want!!!
>
>
> Hmm, I'll have to check Funco in San Antonio next time I'm in town.
> That'd be interesting.
>
It's a real crap shoot, some Funco's(almost all Gamestops now) are pretty cool
when it comes to old stuff, some aren't. It's really quite odd. At one Gamestop
I picked up a Genesis2/SegaCD2 combo for (drumroll please)$17.99!!! Then,
though, I will go to one across town and they will have just a regular old
Genesis 2 for $24.99. What I do kind of like is the fact that unless the game
is really well known for being rare, GS has no clue what to charge for it.
Example: Those fuckers KNOW that Shining Force 2 and 3 are rare as fuck, so
they jack your ass for $27.99 and $29.99 a piece, but then will turn around and
sell HARDCORE rare games like Sorcerer's Kingdom for $4.99 or Warsong for
$7.99....
> Yeah, no kidding, I could make a near perfect photo copy of those
> inserts and give it back to them no problem. It's not like they'll ever try
> to sell it as mint on e-bay or anything.
>
That's why, and this is the only time I an actually, truthfully say this, I
like dealing with Pawn Shop employees. If the owner's not around, and you flash
a few bucks, they'll give you anything...;)
>
> I never played any version of that game, so I couldn't tell you. I'm
> not even certain I've ever seen it's box for 32X. As cheap as the Genny
> port was, I'd bet they just upped the colors or something on the same small
> sprites.
>
Shame...I really used to like that in the arcade....
>
> Yeah, especially considering that the 32X is the only Sega system, that
> was really just an add-on no different from the Snes SFX chip that came with
> the carts, that didn't get a library of over 100 games.
Not only that, but I remember SNES games with the "SFX" chip in it being
upwards of $70 a piece. Hell, even at it's height, the 32X was only $149.99 or
so...
> The SegaCD and
> Saturn weren't really failures software wise, they just weren't huge
> commercial successes.
>
I agree. I think a lot of good games came out on the Sega CD, but the best
thing about that system had to be the audio. My GOD, the stuff that Spencer
Nilsen did with both Ecco's, Batman Returns, and yes even Sonic CD were
amazing! Tommy Tallerico's soundtrack for Virgin's "The Terminator" still rocks
my ass everytime I play it!
>
> Hey! Thanks, you're alright yourself. I know I'm anal about people
> bashing things that are good, just because they aren't popular. I also know
> that because of that, I'm not going to be very popular. Heh.
>
More power to you! :)
ScottX
> >
> > I have two versions, the SegaCD1 classics disk version I think is
the
> > same as the greatest hits version. Spider man turns into a gargoyal
instead
> > of Batman, and Godzilla has no skin, making him a lot less recognizable,
but
> > much cooler looking since you can see his organs in good detail.
There's
> > also apparantly a version with Batman changed to a gargoyal but Godzilla
> > still has skin like the original version I have.
> >
>
> Hmmmm, but the rare version has Spider-man turning into Batman right? I
have
> that one, and the Sega Classics(CD) version.
Yeah, the rare version is the cart that we both have, where Spiderman
turns into Batman. It was a limited press, and apparantly there was a legal
issue that caused Sega to release most of the US copies of RoS were the
later version with no Batman, and, I think, the copywrite screen with
Spiderman before the Sega symble.
> >
> > Yeah, I wouldn't even buy a game without the box until recently.
> > Without a lot of new games coming out, I'm bored more often and have the
> > cash to pick up those old titles. I've lowered my standards lately in
favor
> > of actually owning games like SSF2 & TJ&E2, instead of just remembering
> > them.
> >
>
> I don't think I could live without the constant thrill of picking up old
> Genesis games! Even with 177 games in my collection, there are still
soooooo
> many I want!!!
*shudder*, must control myself, buying a house soon......
> >
> >
> > Hmm, I'll have to check Funco in San Antonio next time I'm in town.
> > That'd be interesting.
> >
>
> It's a real crap shoot, some Funco's(almost all Gamestops now) are pretty
cool
> when it comes to old stuff, some aren't. It's really quite odd. At one
Gamestop
> I picked up a Genesis2/SegaCD2 combo for (drumroll please)$17.99!!! Then,
> though, I will go to one across town and they will have just a regular old
> Genesis 2 for $24.99. What I do kind of like is the fact that unless the
game
> is really well known for being rare, GS has no clue what to charge for it.
> Example: Those fuckers KNOW that Shining Force 2 and 3 are rare as fuck,
so
> they jack your ass for $27.99 and $29.99 a piece, but then will turn
around and
> sell HARDCORE rare games like Sorcerer's Kingdom for $4.99 or Warsong for
> $7.99....
Yeah, I notice that about Shining Foce 1+2, that really stinks too. You
know what else? My friend owns an original copy of Shining Force CD, which
is the only Shining Force I really want, and he won't sell it to me. He
doesn't even have any of his game systems hooked up!
> > Yeah, no kidding, I could make a near perfect photo copy of those
> > inserts and give it back to them no problem. It's not like they'll ever
try
> > to sell it as mint on e-bay or anything.
> >
>
> That's why, and this is the only time I an actually, truthfully say this,
I
> like dealing with Pawn Shop employees. If the owner's not around, and you
flash
> a few bucks, they'll give you anything...;)
Heh, haven't even tried a pawn shop yet.
> >
> > I never played any version of that game, so I couldn't tell you.
I'm
> > not even certain I've ever seen it's box for 32X. As cheap as the Genny
> > port was, I'd bet they just upped the colors or something on the same
small
> > sprites.
> >
>
> Shame...I really used to like that in the arcade....
That would have to be the only area I was disappointed with the Sega CD
and 32X. The biggest problem with the Genesis arcade conversions was memory
limitations on the cart. I really expected to see all of the Sega CD games
with smooth as Terminator, Spiderman and SoulStar. Instead they focused on
FMV games, which I never liked at all, and did a lot of straight graphic
ports of Genesis games with better music. I was extremely dissapointed with
the Golden Axe on the classics disk, they could have done a perfect arcade
conversion on a CD, but they didn't.
Similarly, the 32X could have done huge sprites and perfect arcade to
home conversions, and developers seemed content to do quick cruddy ports of
cruddy Genesis games in most cases. Not only that, but it had a great sound
chip, and hardly anything used it.
> >
> > Yeah, especially considering that the 32X is the only Sega system,
that
> > was really just an add-on no different from the Snes SFX chip that came
with
> > the carts, that didn't get a library of over 100 games.
>
> Not only that, but I remember SNES games with the "SFX" chip in it being
> upwards of $70 a piece. Hell, even at it's height, the 32X was only
$149.99 or
> so...
Oh yeah. To be brief, let's say that I paid $50 each, full retail, for
each of my eleven 32X games. I didn't pay that much, but I'll use that as
the extreme example. I did pay $150 for my 32X near launch. $150 divided
by 11 games is $13.63 per game for the 32X hardware(Way better than an SFX
chip), or a total cost per game of $63.63 each. *Far* from a freakin rip
off.
> > The SegaCD and
> > Saturn weren't really failures software wise, they just weren't huge
> > commercial successes.
> >
>
> I agree. I think a lot of good games came out on the Sega CD, but the best
> thing about that system had to be the audio. My GOD, the stuff that
Spencer
> Nilsen did with both Ecco's, Batman Returns, and yes even Sonic CD were
> amazing! Tommy Tallerico's soundtrack for Virgin's "The Terminator" still
rocks
> my ass everytime I play it!
Oh yeah it did. The SpiderMan, Soul Star and Final Fight soundtracks were
great too.
ammo...@cc.full.stop.helsinki.fi
> "P-O Gabriele" <kei...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
> news:HDQj8.49006$474.1...@wagner.videotron.net...
>>
>> since we heard from the company.
> Last game I knew of was Thunder Force V on Saturn, maybe one of the
> Thunder Force Gold packs. It's a shame really, they made great shooters.
> Maybe they're staying alive on hamster sims over in Japan or something.
Check out for yourself over at http://www.tecnosoft.com/
They seem to have settled on using Tecnosoft, but that may be because
www.technosoft.com is taken :-)
-a
Scott X
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Thanks!
> -a
BelPowerslave
> Yeah, the rare version is the cart that we both have, where Spiderman
> turns into Batman. It was a limited press, and apparantly there was a legal
> issue that caused Sega to release most of the US copies of RoS were the
> later version with no Batman, and, I think, the copywrite screen with
> Spiderman before the Sega symble.
>
I remember this first time I ever rented it, a buddy and I couldn't figure out
why Spiderman was listed on the copywrite's screen.
>
> *shudder*, must control myself, buying a house soon......
>
I hear that. I've been needing a new car for years now, but if I get one, that
seriously cuts into my DVD and Genesis games budget. I just don't think I could
handle it....;)
>
> Yeah, I notice that about Shining Foce 1+2, that really stinks too. You
> know what else? My friend owns an original copy of Shining Force CD, which
> is the only Shining Force I really want, and he won't sell it to me. He
> doesn't even have any of his game systems hooked up!
>
That does suck! SF CD is absolutely great! I remember when I saw that in the
Toys R Us bargain bin for $10, what a deal! THen again, like a jackass,
Snatcher was in there too and I PASSED on it.....oh, the pure stupidity!!!!
>
> Heh, haven't even tried a pawn shop yet.
>
Occasionally, when you can find some that aren't just complete scum, you can
get some damn good deals on older stuff. The Pawn Shop mentality tells them
that if it's new, charge high, if it's old, sell if for what you can. You can
almost walk in, name your price and they will almost always give you any
Genesis game you want. Picked up quite a few high priced Genesis games for dirt
cheap pulling that stunt...;)
>
> That would have to be the only area I was disappointed with the Sega CD
> and 32X. The biggest problem with the Genesis arcade conversions was memory
> limitations on the cart.
I agree, and you can imagine my disappointment with MK CD...
> I really expected to see all of the Sega CD games
> with smooth as Terminator, Spiderman and SoulStar.
I agree, and for the most part, there were alot of high quality games that hit
that mark, but then again, there were a lot that didn't even come close.
> Instead they focused on
> FMV games, which I never liked at all,
The only one I ever cared for was Sewer Shark, but then again I liked Ghost.
Hey, have you ever seen a 32X Sega CD game? How is the video? Somewhere between
SCD and Saturn?
> and did a lot of straight graphic
> ports of Genesis games with better music.
This didn't bother me too much, and some of the games(Pitfall and Earthworm
Jim) did add a few new levels.
> I was extremely dissapointed with
> the Golden Axe on the classics disk, they could have done a perfect arcade
> conversion on a CD, but they didn't.
Hell, they could have at least made it two players(it was only one player,
wasn't it? Or am I thinking of the DC Smash Pack?).
>
> Similarly, the 32X could have done huge sprites and perfect arcade to
> home conversions, and developers seemed content to do quick cruddy ports of
> cruddy Genesis games in most cases. Not only that, but it had a great sound
> chip, and hardly anything used it.
>
Imagine if Capcom would have given it a try.....SFA would have been WAY better
than that crap SNES version...
>
> Oh yeah. To be brief, let's say that I paid $50 each, full retail, for
> each of my eleven 32X games. I didn't pay that much, but I'll use that as
> the extreme example. I did pay $150 for my 32X near launch. $150 divided
> by 11 games is $13.63 per game for the 32X hardware(Way better than an SFX
> chip), or a total cost per game of $63.63 each. *Far* from a freakin rip
> off.
>
I agree. For the cost and performance of the "SFX" chip, I think it was a huge
rip off. Good example I like to point out: Virtua Racing Deluxe vs that Stunt
Racer FX(I think), or even 32X Doom vs Snes "SFX" Doom.
>
> Oh yeah it did. The SpiderMan, Soul Star and Final Fight soundtracks were
> great too.
>
I think Spencer did work on Final Fight(remixing some of the tracks) and some
work on Spiderman along with that other guy they list on the cover.
P-O Gabriele
Btw, you freaked me out with that.
It wasn't as bad as Chuck one-handed gaming but still. :)
While i'm there how was Thunder Force 5? I never got the chance to play it.
-P.O
Scott X
>
> > > Check out for yourself over at http://www.tecnosoft.com/
> > > They seem to have settled on using Tecnosoft, but that may be because
> > > www.technosoft.com is taken :-)
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> Well no hamster sims there............
> Btw, you freaked me out with that.
> It wasn't as bad as Chuck one-handed gaming but still. :)
Hamster sims are popular in Japan, no joke.
> While i'm there how was Thunder Force 5? I never got the chance to play
it.
I'd say it was the best in the series personally, the Saturn version
especially. The PS version has much more dull colors, partly due to the way
it due 2D with 3D graphics.
> -P.O
>
>
Scott X
> >
> > Yeah, the rare version is the cart that we both have, where
Spiderman
> > turns into Batman. It was a limited press, and apparantly there was a
legal
> > issue that caused Sega to release most of the US copies of RoS were the
> > later version with no Batman, and, I think, the copywrite screen with
> > Spiderman before the Sega symble.
> >
>
> I remember this first time I ever rented it, a buddy and I couldn't figure
out
> why Spiderman was listed on the copywrite's screen.
> >
> > *shudder*, must control myself, buying a house soon......
> >
>
> I hear that. I've been needing a new car for years now, but if I get one,
that
> seriously cuts into my DVD and Genesis games budget. I just don't think I
could
> handle it....;)
heheh
> >
> > Yeah, I notice that about Shining Foce 1+2, that really stinks too.
You
> > know what else? My friend owns an original copy of Shining Force CD,
which
> > is the only Shining Force I really want, and he won't sell it to me. He
> > doesn't even have any of his game systems hooked up!
> >
>
> That does suck! SF CD is absolutely great! I remember when I saw that in
the
> Toys R Us bargain bin for $10, what a deal! THen again, like a jackass,
> Snatcher was in there too and I PASSED on it.....oh, the pure
stupidity!!!!
That's where he got it from, along with about five memory carts and some
other SCD games. I should have bought them too, can't remember why I
didn't. I did talk him into selling me one of the memory carts for what it
cost him. Man did I get lucky there.
> >
> > Heh, haven't even tried a pawn shop yet.
> >
>
> Occasionally, when you can find some that aren't just complete scum, you
can
> get some damn good deals on older stuff. The Pawn Shop mentality tells
them
> that if it's new, charge high, if it's old, sell if for what you can. You
can
> almost walk in, name your price and they will almost always give you any
> Genesis game you want. Picked up quite a few high priced Genesis games for
dirt
> cheap pulling that stunt...;)
Hmm, ought to try that. Especially here where they trade in games to
pawn shops for "loans" they'll never be able to pay back.
> >
> > That would have to be the only area I was disappointed with the Sega
CD
> > and 32X. The biggest problem with the Genesis arcade conversions was
memory
> > limitations on the cart.
>
> I agree, and you can imagine my disappointment with MK CD...
Mine to, jeez that was bad.
> > I really expected to see all of the Sega CD games
> > with smooth as Terminator, Spiderman and SoulStar.
>
> I agree, and for the most part, there were alot of high quality games that
hit
> that mark, but then again, there were a lot that didn't even come close.
Batman Return's platforming levels for example.
> > Instead they focused on
> > FMV games, which I never liked at all,
>
> The only one I ever cared for was Sewer Shark, but then again I liked
Ghost.
> Hey, have you ever seen a 32X Sega CD game? How is the video? Somewhere
between
> SCD and Saturn?
I liked ghost, but Sewar Shark I couldn't stand, didn't it win awards?
I've seen it for PSX or Saturn too, I haven't seen any other version playing
though. Sorry.
> > and did a lot of straight graphic
> > ports of Genesis games with better music.
>
> This didn't bother me too much, and some of the games(Pitfall and
Earthworm
> Jim) did add a few new levels.
Yeah, those were great.
> > I was extremely dissapointed with
> > the Golden Axe on the classics disk, they could have done a perfect
arcade
> > conversion on a CD, but they didn't.
>
> Hell, they could have at least made it two players(it was only one player,
> wasn't it? Or am I thinking of the DC Smash Pack?).
Both I think.
> >
> > Similarly, the 32X could have done huge sprites and perfect arcade
to
> > home conversions, and developers seemed content to do quick cruddy ports
of
> > cruddy Genesis games in most cases. Not only that, but it had a great
sound
> > chip, and hardly anything used it.
> >
>
> Imagine if Capcom would have given it a try.....SFA would have been WAY
better
> than that crap SNES version...
They were supposed to do SSF2, but didn't for some reason.
> >
> > Oh yeah. To be brief, let's say that I paid $50 each, full retail,
for
> > each of my eleven 32X games. I didn't pay that much, but I'll use that
as
> > the extreme example. I did pay $150 for my 32X near launch. $150
divided
> > by 11 games is $13.63 per game for the 32X hardware(Way better than an
SFX
> > chip), or a total cost per game of $63.63 each. *Far* from a freakin
rip
> > off.
> >
>
> I agree. For the cost and performance of the "SFX" chip, I think it was a
huge
> rip off. Good example I like to point out: Virtua Racing Deluxe vs that
Stunt
> Racer FX(I think), or even 32X Doom vs Snes "SFX" Doom.
Yeah, no kidding.
> >
> > Oh yeah it did. The SpiderMan, Soul Star and Final Fight soundtracks
were
> > great too.
> >
>
> I think Spencer did work on Final Fight(remixing some of the tracks) and
some
> work on Spiderman along with that other guy they list on the cover.
It sounds like it anyway.
BelPowerslave
> That's where he got it from, along with about five memory carts and some
> other SCD games. I should have bought them too, can't remember why I
> didn't. I did talk him into selling me one of the memory carts for what it
> cost him. Man did I get lucky there.
>
I picked one up from a mail order place a long while back, and thank the
goddess! Jesus, some of those Sega CD games(Lunar 2) take up shitloads of
memory to save!
>
> Hmm, ought to try that. Especially here where they trade in games to
> pawn shops for "loans" they'll never be able to pay back.
>
Exactly. I don't know why Pawn shop owners keep believing that these people are
going to come back to get their stuff back, especially when it's old. First
off, true hardcore collectors wouldn't sell it, but moreso if the shop owner
actually gives them anything over $10 most dumbass gamers won't come back to
get it...
>
> > I agree, and you can imagine my disappointment with MK CD...
>
> Mine to, jeez that was bad.
>
Good'ole Probe: Fucking Sega fans since day one. ;)
>
> Batman Return's platforming levels for example.
>
If it weren't for the amazingly good driving and flying levels, not to mention
the great soundtrack, I would pop that bastard in the microwave...;)
>
> I liked ghost, but Sewar Shark I couldn't stand, didn't it win awards?
Probably, but that was waaaaaay back when noone had seen FMV. Reminds me of the
extreme hype FX Figher on the PC got.....talk about a shit game...
>
> I've seen it for PSX or Saturn too, I haven't seen any other version playing
> though. Sorry.
>
I am considering, if I can find one cheap, getting a 32X Sega CD game just to
see the video quality(just for kicks).
>
> > Imagine if Capcom would have given it a try.....SFA would have been WAY
> better
> > than that crap SNES version...
>
> They were supposed to do SSF2, but didn't for some reason.
>
That could have been very close to perfect! The Genesis version is already
excellent, add some more background detail, more color and better sound samples
and it could have been perfect!!!!
P-O Gabriele
i have some money. :)
-P.O
Raymond McKeithen II
> Raymond McKeithen II wrote:
>
> > "BelPowerslave" <belpow...@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > news:3C8DA303...@ev1.net...
> > >
> > > Kind of sucks, I used to have Shadow Squadron, now I don't know where
it
> > is!!!
> >
> > If you want to buy another, you can get it new at Flashback Video Games
> > (www.flashbackinc.com) for $12.95. They have several of the other games
you
> > mention below at the same price, and they're great to deal with.
> >
>
> SHHHHHHHH!!!!! Raymond, you're killing me here! Keep it on the "qt" until
I
> get it ordered! ;)
Hehe. Don't think there's any worry, as these aren't exactly sought-after
items by the general public.
> Seriously though, I just ordered it a bit ago, thanks for the info! My
only
> problem with Flashback are the outrageous shipping charges. $6 to ship me
SS!
> Now, for this game, it's worth it, but still....
That's probably the shippers' fault as much as anything (i.e. UPS rates are
getting outrageous).
> > Of those all I've played is Chaotix. I think it's decent, though the
> > gratuitous over-use of scaling annoyed me a lot (when you switch between
> > some characters it does this stupid scaling "cinema" that gets annoying
> > after you see it a few times). Just don't expect it to be a Sonic game,
> > because while it looks a lot like one it plays quite differently; not
> > necessarily better or worse, just different.
> >
>
> Hmmmm, thanks for the info. I actually was expecting a Sonic knockoff, so
I
> don't know whether or not to be happy or dissapointed. It still looks
pretty
> cool, I will have to see what I can do about getting it.
It's been a long time and I didn't play a lot of it but the weird "tag team"
gameplay makes the game more puzzle- than speed-oriented, as I recall.
> > Kolibri seems like an interesting shooter but I never got to play it.
>
> It's done by the same people who did Ecco right?
I don't know, or don't remember. Quite possible though.
> Then, and this is absolutely hilarious, I found this game(new, still in
> shrinkwrap) called "Funny World & Balloon Boy". It's a non-licensed, 2 in
1
> cart. The game is a SQUARE; not like the regular Genesis games. The manual
is
> a double sided fold out pamphlet with mediocre character drawings on it. I
> cannot get the game to start though! You put it in, you get the "Realtec"
> screen, then the choice of games, hit start and it takes you back to the
> "Realtec" screen. I guess trying to get the motherfucker to work is half
the
> fun...;)
Maybe it only works on a certain model of Genesis?
> Oh, and the real jewels: Picked up a BRAND new, in box Lethal Enforcers
for
> Sega CD. The HUGE box, with the gun and game! Got part two as well(both
> together were less than $20). Too cool....nothing like putting 28 bullets
in
> any civillian stupid enough to walk across the screen while you are taking
out
> the small army of men who decided to all rob this average bank...;)
At one time these were common, but I don't think so now. I remember this and
some other Konami titles being on clearance at Walmart some years ago.
I've read that the player 2 pink gun is hard to find though.
--
Raymond
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Scott X
> >
> > That's where he got it from, along with about five memory carts and
some
> > other SCD games. I should have bought them too, can't remember why I
> > didn't. I did talk him into selling me one of the memory carts for what
it
> > cost him. Man did I get lucky there.
> >
>
> I picked one up from a mail order place a long while back, and thank the
> goddess! Jesus, some of those Sega CD games(Lunar 2) take up shitloads of
> memory to save!
Yup.
> >
> > Hmm, ought to try that. Especially here where they trade in games
to
> > pawn shops for "loans" they'll never be able to pay back.
> >
>
> Exactly. I don't know why Pawn shop owners keep believing that these
people are
> going to come back to get their stuff back, especially when it's old.
First
> off, true hardcore collectors wouldn't sell it, but moreso if the shop
owner
> actually gives them anything over $10 most dumbass gamers won't come back
to
> get it...
> >
> > > I agree, and you can imagine my disappointment with MK CD...
> >
> > Mine to, jeez that was bad.
> >
>
> Good'ole Probe: Fucking Sega fans since day one. ;)
> >
> > Batman Return's platforming levels for example.
> >
>
> If it weren't for the amazingly good driving and flying levels, not to
mention
> the great soundtrack, I would pop that bastard in the microwave...;)
Yeah, I still play the driving levels though, that sewer level still looks
stinking good.
> >
> > I liked ghost, but Sewar Shark I couldn't stand, didn't it win
awards?
>
> Probably, but that was waaaaaay back when noone had seen FMV. Reminds me
of the
> extreme hype FX Figher on the PC got.....talk about a shit game...
>
> >
> > I've seen it for PSX or Saturn too, I haven't seen any other version
playing
> > though. Sorry.
> >
>
> I am considering, if I can find one cheap, getting a 32X Sega CD game just
to
> see the video quality(just for kicks).
I played both versions of Corpse Killer. The 32X CD version looks
extremely nice, better than a lot of Saturn video does.
> >
> > > Imagine if Capcom would have given it a try.....SFA would have been
WAY
> > better
> > > than that crap SNES version...
> >
> > They were supposed to do SSF2, but didn't for some reason.
> >
>
> That could have been very close to perfect! The Genesis version is already
> excellent, add some more background detail, more color and better sound
samples
> and it could have been perfect!!!!
Yeah, slightly bigger sprites would have been nice too. Technically it
could have, and should have, been better than the arcade version. I would
have gone for a good conversion of Dracula X, that was on the release list
from Konami too, they axed it and only released that crappy Snes version.
BelPowerslave
> Hehe. Don't think there's any worry, as these aren't exactly sought-after
> items by the general public.
>
Yeah, I guess you're right. Makes me wonder why 32X stuff is so hard to find,
since noone seems to want it. Perhaps low production?
>
> That's probably the shippers' fault as much as anything (i.e. UPS rates are
> getting outrageous).
>
Yeah, could be. I don't understand why more people don't use the USPS instead.
With UPS going on strike every five and half minutes, and the USPS being
cheaper anyway I just don't get it. I have used nothing but USPS for a very
long time and have never had any problems. Oh well...
>
> It's been a long time and I didn't play a lot of it but the weird "tag team"
> gameplay makes the game more puzzle- than speed-oriented, as I recall.
>
Still sounds interesting. I will scrape it up sometime, hopefully.
>
> > Then, and this is absolutely hilarious, I found this game(new, still in
> > shrinkwrap) called "Funny World & Balloon Boy". It's a non-licensed, 2 in
> 1
> > cart. The game is a SQUARE; not like the regular Genesis games. The manual
> is
> > a double sided fold out pamphlet with mediocre character drawings on it. I
> > cannot get the game to start though! You put it in, you get the "Realtec"
> > screen, then the choice of games, hit start and it takes you back to the
> > "Realtec" screen. I guess trying to get the motherfucker to work is half
> the
> > fun...;)
>
> Maybe it only works on a certain model of Genesis?
>
I tested it on the Nomad, seems to work fine(the games SUCK HARD though, btw).
I need to test it on my Genesis 2 model sometime....
>
> At one time these were common, but I don't think so now. I remember this and
> some other Konami titles being on clearance at Walmart some years ago.
>
I always liked Lethal Enforcers, and it about killed me when Konami cancelled
the Saturn compilation of LE 1&2 but went ahead with the PSX version.
>
> I've read that the player 2 pink gun is hard to find though.
>
Oh yeah, it is. I usually see them going for $40 or higher. Since I can't get
anyone to play any gun-based games with me anyway, it doesn't really bother me
too much...;)
Bel
BTW, do you know of anywhere that has a complete 32X game list?
BelPowerslave
> > If it weren't for the amazingly good driving and flying levels, not to
> mention
> > the great soundtrack, I would pop that bastard in the microwave...;)
>
> Yeah, I still play the driving levels though, that sewer level still looks
> stinking good.
>
The driving scenes in Batman and Robin(the animated series) on Sega CD were
also pretty cool. Just makes me wish they had something other than just driving
on it...
>
> I played both versions of Corpse Killer. The 32X CD version looks
> extremely nice, better than a lot of Saturn video does.
>
Really!? Wow, that's pretty cool. I will definitely have to pick a Sega CD 32X
game. Has anyone played Fahrenheit? I can't image any FMV game being any good,
but that one looks kind of interesting.
>
> Yeah, slightly bigger sprites would have been nice too. Technically it
> could have, and should have, been better than the arcade version.
Goddammit, I think that with Capcom's support, and a few others the 32X really
could have made it. Instead, what did we get?
> I would
> have gone for a good conversion of Dracula X, that was on the release list
> from Konami too, they axed it and only released that crappy Snes version.
>
You are kidding me!? Man, that would have REALLY rocked! The SNES version was
soooo amazingly bad, and I LOVE Castlevania. I am actually getting depressed
with all this info on what "might" have made it to 32X.... :(
Raymond McKeithen II
> >
> > Hehe. Don't think there's any worry, as these aren't exactly
sought-after
> > items by the general public.
> >
>
> Yeah, I guess you're right. Makes me wonder why 32X stuff is so hard to
find,
> since noone seems to want it. Perhaps low production?
Perhaps. Also if stores can't sell it they're not going to carry it.
> > That's probably the shippers' fault as much as anything (i.e. UPS rates
are
> > getting outrageous).
>
> Yeah, could be. I don't understand why more people don't use the USPS
instead.
> With UPS going on strike every five and half minutes, and the USPS being
> cheaper anyway I just don't get it. I have used nothing but USPS for a
very
> long time and have never had any problems. Oh well...
USPS offers no tracking information (delivery confirmation is just that and
nothing more), so it's a headache for shippers when packages get lost (and
they do with all shippers). NCS has recently stopped offereing USPS for this
reason according to a recent update. Also if you insure a package the rates
aren't as much different...the biggest difference is with a light package
like a game or two; once you get up to something like a system the cost
difference isn't much.
> > At one time these were common, but I don't think so now. I remember this
and
> > some other Konami titles being on clearance at Walmart some years ago.
> >
>
> I always liked Lethal Enforcers, and it about killed me when Konami
cancelled
> the Saturn compilation of LE 1&2 but went ahead with the PSX version.
Yet I believe they still brought out the inferior "Henry Explorers"
(different name in the US that I can't recall, Crypt Killer or something).
> BTW, do you know of anywhere that has a complete 32X game list?
Gamefaqs 32X system FAQ, no idea of its accuracy and/or completeness:
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/32x/file/sega_32x.txt
Scott X
> >
> > > If it weren't for the amazingly good driving and flying levels, not to
> > mention
> > > the great soundtrack, I would pop that bastard in the microwave...;)
> >
> > Yeah, I still play the driving levels though, that sewer level still
looks
> > stinking good.
> >
>
> The driving scenes in Batman and Robin(the animated series) on Sega CD
were
> also pretty cool. Just makes me wish they had something other than just
driving
> on it...
I never played that one, and have passed up multiple opportunities to
pick it up for $10. Now I can't find it. :(
> >
> > I played both versions of Corpse Killer. The 32X CD version looks
> > extremely nice, better than a lot of Saturn video does.
> >
>
> Really!? Wow, that's pretty cool. I will definitely have to pick a Sega CD
32X
> game. Has anyone played Fahrenheit? I can't image any FMV game being any
good,
> but that one looks kind of interesting.
My memory could be off, I did play it before I played any Saturn games.
I just remembered it looking very clear and colorful. If I recall correctly
it wasn't quite full screen, but it was much large on the screen that the
plain Sega CD version was. I'd bet on the 32XCD and Saturn versions being
identical.
> >
> > Yeah, slightly bigger sprites would have been nice too. Technically
it
> > could have, and should have, been better than the arcade version.
>
> Goddammit, I think that with Capcom's support, and a few others the 32X
really
> could have made it. Instead, what did we get?
Well, as with all consoles or add-ons, the 3rd parties wait for the
sales. Since users wait for either the media to hype it, or the games to
come out that they want, it never really had a chance. Although, I do
remember Gamepro and Gamefan talking favorably of it, and touting large
release lists right up until launch. The poor little thing never sold
through it's initial 500,000 manufactures, even after they dropped to $20
with Star Wars Arcade.
> > I would
> > have gone for a good conversion of Dracula X, that was on the release
list
> > from Konami too, they axed it and only released that crappy Snes
version.
> >
>
> You are kidding me!? Man, that would have REALLY rocked! The SNES version
was
> soooo amazingly bad, and I LOVE Castlevania. I am actually getting
depressed
> with all this info on what "might" have made it to 32X.... :(
Yeah, I'd buy a TG16 and CD-Rom if I thought I could find the original game.
Who knows, with that 68000PC Castlevania being re-released on PS
BelPowerslave
> cancelled
> > the Saturn compilation of LE 1&2 but went ahead with the PSX version.
>
> Yet I believe they still brought out the inferior "Henry Explorers"
> (different name in the US that I can't recall, Crypt Killer or something).
>
...and holy shit was it BAD! I remember seeing the screenshots, thinking that
it looked alright, then I bought it. What a mistake that was, thank God EB let
me return it. I saw it once in the arcade, it actually has shotguns you cock
EVERYTIME you shoot....I can only dream of the arm cramps...;)
>
> > BTW, do you know of anywhere that has a complete 32X game list?
>
> Gamefaqs 32X system FAQ, no idea of its accuracy and/or completeness:
> http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/32x/file/sega_32x.txt
>
Good call! I'll take a look right now!
Thanks,
Bel
BelPowerslave
> I never played that one, and have passed up multiple opportunities to
> pick it up for $10. Now I can't find it. :(
>
I just wish you could ever do anything other than drive or fly around, that's
about the only bummer of it.
>
> My memory could be off, I did play it before I played any Saturn games.
> I just remembered it looking very clear and colorful. If I recall correctly
> it wasn't quite full screen, but it was much large on the screen that the
> plain Sega CD version was. I'd bet on the 32XCD and Saturn versions being
> identical.
>
I see it all the time at this one shop, for about $7, I guess I'll pick it up,
just to have one.
>
> Well, as with all consoles or add-ons, the 3rd parties wait for the
> sales. Since users wait for either the media to hype it, or the games to
> come out that they want, it never really had a chance. Although, I do
> remember Gamepro and Gamefan talking favorably of it, and touting large
> release lists right up until launch. The poor little thing never sold
> through it's initial 500,000 manufactures, even after they dropped to $20
> with Star Wars Arcade.
>
I forget, at it's launch was Doom available?
>
> Yeah, I'd buy a TG16 and CD-Rom if I thought I could find the original game.
I have had the opportunity a few times, but that is just WAY to much damn
money, even for Castlevania. With that game going for $150 or so, then the
system for about $140...I just don't know.
>
> Who knows, with that 68000PC Castlevania being re-released on PS
>
I just wish that they'd quit teasing us with this "maybe, oh, I don't know,
let's look at the sales, etc" bullshit and just let us know, one way or
another, is Castlevania 3 being redone for PSX. He hinted it throughout the
entire interview. Getting them to EVER redo Castlevania X on any platform other
than PC Engine would take an act of God(not to mention very little programming
on their part, but they are still too lazy)...
I hate to fly off the handle, but this bullshit of release ONE classic game on
a CD has to stop. Now, especially with the new formats like GD Rom and DVD,
crap like the Namco Museums need to beefed up A WHOLE LOT. 6 games, that take
up less than 10 megs, on a goddamn GD Rom!?
Then of course, we come to good'ole-fuck-us-up-the-ass Konami. Players scream
and scream for a Castlevania compilation. What do they do? Cancel the DC
version first, then release ONE classic version of Castlevania on a CD.
Imagine, every Castlevania, original code or not, all put, very nicely onto one
DVD. Slap a label on, jack the gaming community for $50(just like every other
GC, PS2 and X-Box publisher is doing) and be done with it....
Bel: sleepy and angry...
ScottX
It was by Christmas of that year, I'm honestly not sure if it was at launch.
> >
> > Yeah, I'd buy a TG16 and CD-Rom if I thought I could find the original
game.
>
> I have had the opportunity a few times, but that is just WAY to much damn
> money, even for Castlevania. With that game going for $150 or so, then the
> system for about $140...I just don't know.
>
> >
> > Who knows, with that 68000PC Castlevania being re-released on PS
> >
>
> I just wish that they'd quit teasing us with this "maybe, oh, I don't
know,
> let's look at the sales, etc" bullshit and just let us know, one way or
> another, is Castlevania 3 being redone for PSX. He hinted it throughout
the
> entire interview. Getting them to EVER redo Castlevania X on any platform
other
> than PC Engine would take an act of God(not to mention very little
programming
> on their part, but they are still too lazy)...
That would be way cool, and would really make sense with the success of
SOTN.
> I hate to fly off the handle, but this bullshit of release ONE classic
game on
> a CD has to stop. Now, especially with the new formats like GD Rom and
DVD,
> crap like the Namco Museums need to beefed up A WHOLE LOT. 6 games, that
take
> up less than 10 megs, on a goddamn GD Rom!?
>
> Then of course, we come to good'ole-fuck-us-up-the-ass Konami. Players
scream
> and scream for a Castlevania compilation. What do they do? Cancel the DC
> version first, then release ONE classic version of Castlevania on a CD.
> Imagine, every Castlevania, original code or not, all put, very nicely
onto one
> DVD. Slap a label on, jack the gaming community for $50(just like every
other
> GC, PS2 and X-Box publisher is doing) and be done with it....
Not only that, but it's one that nobody's played before, *but* nobody
had heard of before. Why they would do that game and not one of the more
popular or heard of ones I don't get it either. Six Namco classics games
are probably less than 2MB, they'd likely all fit on a floppy with room to
spare. I dunno, I guess if every company releases a really nice compilation
disk of their old games, my whole collection will suddenly only be worth a
hand full of CDs. That would kinda suck.
BelPowerslave
> It was by Christmas of that year, I'm honestly not sure if it was at launch.
>
IIRC, wasn't it given some pretty nice reviews by almost everyone? I remember
the guys at Gamefan really liking it.
>
> That would be way cool, and would really make sense with the success of
> SOTN.
>
I agree, but Konami won't do it.....they'll never do it...
>
> Not only that, but it's one that nobody's played before, *but* nobody
> had heard of before. Why they would do that game and not one of the more
> popular or heard of ones I don't get it either.
It's a good thing that game was only $20 new, even though I still feel shafted
on it, I would have felt raped if it had been any higher...;)
> Six Namco classics games
> are probably less than 2MB, they'd likely all fit on a floppy with room to
> spare.
Yeah, the 10 megs was a bit high, but either way it's a disgrace to have only
that one one CD/GD/DVD.
> I dunno, I guess if every company releases a really nice compilation
> disk of their old games, my whole collection will suddenly only be worth a
> hand full of CDs. That would kinda suck.
>
Hmmmmm, I disagree a little on that. I think it would be nice, and even though
the value of my collection would go down, I don't think it would bother me too
much as I never plan to sell anything in it. I look at rarity in two ways: I
either own the game, then I like the rarity of it, or I don't own the game,
then I hate the rarity of it. Sometimes, I can almost understand the piracy,
when it comes to an item like Castlevania X or Panzer Dragoon Saga which most
people haven't EVER seen.
It's kind of like a situation we had down here in Texas a while back: This talk
show host released a CD compilation of some of his best stuff. Only printed
about a hundred or so, that was it. Then, gets on the air screaming about how
people are jacking it on Napster. Well, dumbass, don't fuck your fans by
releasing and item you KNOW that everyone wants in a ridiculously low print. It
was absurd in my opinion...
Bel
ScottX
> >
> > It was by Christmas of that year, I'm honestly not sure if it was at
launch.
> >
>
> IIRC, wasn't it given some pretty nice reviews by almost everyone? I
remember
> the guys at Gamefan really liking it.
Yeah, it's because until the PS version that came way later it was the
best console conversion. Even though it was technically less impressive
than the PC game and only contains the levels of the shareware version of
Doom. Apparantly it was SOA's fault too, they forced Id to release the game
early. I'd bet if they'd have given Id the time they wanted, they would
have done like most other developers and never even bothered to release
their game. I personally put a lot of hours into 32X doom and I don't think
I ever beat it playing straight through (It has a level select available
from the start). Oh yeah! It was because if you played it straight through
it was likely to actually crash and display dev code explaining the glitch!
Heheh.
The 3D0 version was great. Yeah, that border you see on the 32X
version, multiply that by three and expect an even choppier framerate. I
think you could actually control the border size on that game though.
As Wolfenstein-ish as the Snes game was, at least it had all the
textures of the PC version, the 32X version didn't have that either. It
looked about like Zero Tolerance for the Genesis more than anything else,
flat shaded backgrounds for floors instead of scrolling textures.
> >
> > That would be way cool, and would really make sense with the success of
> > SOTN.
> >
>
> I agree, but Konami won't do it.....they'll never do it...
I've never much liked them anyway. Their games are some of the best in
the industry, but they seem to rely too much on trial and error gameplay,
meaning you actually die and start over a lot trying to guess what the
developer wanted you to do. Which will always cause me not to buy a game.
Great games, but there are ways to encourage a player to perfect their
skills without making them backtrack or start a level all over again.
> >
> > Not only that, but it's one that nobody's played before, *but*
nobody
> > had heard of before. Why they would do that game and not one of the
more
> > popular or heard of ones I don't get it either.
>
> It's a good thing that game was only $20 new, even though I still feel
shafted
> on it, I would have felt raped if it had been any higher...;)
Yeah.....is it worth anything now? I heard it was an extremely limited
press.
> > Six Namco classics games
> > are probably less than 2MB, they'd likely all fit on a floppy with room
to
> > spare.
>
> Yeah, the 10 megs was a bit high, but either way it's a disgrace to have
only
> that one one CD/GD/DVD.
I totally agree. I'm surprised there's not some hardware limitation for
reading disks with that little data on them. :)
> > I dunno, I guess if every company releases a really nice compilation
> > disk of their old games, my whole collection will suddenly only be worth
a
> > hand full of CDs. That would kinda suck.
> >
>
> Hmmmmm, I disagree a little on that. I think it would be nice, and even
though
> the value of my collection would go down, I don't think it would bother me
too
> much as I never plan to sell anything in it. I look at rarity in two ways:
I
> either own the game, then I like the rarity of it, or I don't own the
game,
> then I hate the rarity of it. Sometimes, I can almost understand the
piracy,
> when it comes to an item like Castlevania X or Panzer Dragoon Saga which
most
> people haven't EVER seen.
Well, I'd totally love to get true arcade conversions of some of my
Genesis games. The thing that I would hate would be popping in Shinobi 3 in
cartridge form, and knowing for once that there's a better version available
now. Some of the games in my library, like PDS and Shinobi 3 and Phantasy
Star 3 can't be played in any form or semblance anywhere else. As much as
I've always wanted a sequel to top them, it'd be sad to put those games one
notch down on the best ever list after their ten year reign.
> It's kind of like a situation we had down here in Texas a while back: This
talk
> show host released a CD compilation of some of his best stuff. Only
printed
> about a hundred or so, that was it. Then, gets on the air screaming about
how
> people are jacking it on Napster. Well, dumbass, don't fuck your fans by
> releasing and item you KNOW that everyone wants in a ridiculously low
print. It
> was absurd in my opinion...
I think I heard about that guy. Yeah, if you want people to buy your
stuff, MAKE ENOUGH FOR THEM.
BelPowerslave
> Yeah, it's because until the PS version that came way later it was the
> best console conversion. Even though it was technically less impressive
> than the PC game and only contains the levels of the shareware version of
> Doom.
Now that I have played Doom on an actual computer(my iMac) it's hard to play
even the badass PSX version. I love the transparencies, and especially the
music(my GOD it's good) but the framerate and resolution is pretty bad. I tried
sometime ago, unsuccessfully to extract the soundtrack from Doom, but never
could get any of the programs out there to actually work. Kind of sucks. I
could have gotten it off, converted it to MP3, then played it and turned the
music off on the iMac Doom and it would have been PERFECT!!!
> Apparantly it was SOA's fault too, they forced Id to release the game
> early. I'd bet if they'd have given Id the time they wanted, they would
> have done like most other developers and never even bothered to release
> their game.
It's kind of like Dominick at Lobotomy said to me once, "You're never through
with a game, they just take it away from you"...;)
> I personally put a lot of hours into 32X doom and I don't think
> I ever beat it playing straight through (It has a level select available
> from the start).
Oh, I am with you all the way. Back when I only had my Centris, playing Mac
games just wasn't an option so when I got the 32X version I played it NONSTOP!
Man, it was so good, so different than anything I had ever played before. I
actually never noticed that the enemies never turned their back to you, because
they didn't have that animation. ;) I also remember being very impressed with
the graphics and framerate...but that was a long time ago. I played it a bit
last night, just for kicks, I still think it's pretty impressive for the 32X
hardware. I also agree with you on it being rushed. Had they of had a little
more time, I think they may have been able to get it a little bit more full
screen with a smaller border...
> Oh yeah! It was because if you played it straight through
> it was likely to actually crash and display dev code explaining the glitch!
> Heheh.
That was the worst! I remember being on the LAST level and it pulled that
bullshit on me. All in all though, I think I went completely through it,
without dying about 5 or 6 times...
>
> The 3D0 version was great. Yeah, that border you see on the 32X
> version, multiply that by three and expect an even choppier framerate. I
> think you could actually control the border size on that game though.
Still, for a shit version of Doom, NOTHING will ever beat the Saturn version!
My God, not even the SNES version was THAT bad...
>
> As Wolfenstein-ish as the Snes game was, at least it had all the
> textures of the PC version, the 32X version didn't have that either. It
> looked about like Zero Tolerance for the Genesis more than anything else,
> flat shaded backgrounds for floors instead of scrolling textures.
>
I just couldn't get over the framerate on the SNES version; have you seen the
GBA version yet? I am betting, like almost ALL GBA games, it's just the SNES
version with a few minor enhancements. It would be nice if they actually took
advantage of the GBA hardware for once, and made a pretty smooth, portable
Doom...
>
> I've never much liked them anyway. Their games are some of the best in
> the industry, but they seem to rely too much on trial and error gameplay,
> meaning you actually die and start over a lot trying to guess what the
> developer wanted you to do. Which will always cause me not to buy a game.
> Great games, but there are ways to encourage a player to perfect their
> skills without making them backtrack or start a level all over again.
>
Hheheehh, kind of like the Reaper's level on the first Castlevania! If you
don't have Triple Boomerang.....you're gone.
>
> Yeah.....is it worth anything now? I heard it was an extremely limited
> press.
>
I doubt it. People say that of SotN as well, but even on ebay people don't get
more than $20 for it most of the time.
>
> I totally agree. I'm surprised there's not some hardware limitation for
> reading disks with that little data on them. :)
>
I think it would have been cool for Sega to have the DC check disc, and if it
was something ridiculously small you'd get that "Please insert disc" message,
but like this "Please insert REAL disc". ;)
>
> Well, I'd totally love to get true arcade conversions of some of my
> Genesis games. The thing that I would hate would be popping in Shinobi 3 in
> cartridge form, and knowing for once that there's a better version available
> now. Some of the games in my library, like PDS and Shinobi 3 and Phantasy
> Star 3 can't be played in any form or semblance anywhere else. As much as
> I've always wanted a sequel to top them, it'd be sad to put those games one
> notch down on the best ever list after their ten year reign.
>
Good call, but remember, even if they came out on a compilation CD/DVD you
still don't get the packaging, manual etc, which is a good reason to have to
original. Plus, and I may be off on this, but most games, when redone always
seems to mess it up somehow. Somehow, even though the hardware is superior,
they cannot seem to get the game right. Even the Sega CD 5/4 in on Classics are
off just a tiny bit, and that's a no brainer for the developers...;)
>
> I think I heard about that guy. Yeah, if you want people to buy your
> stuff, MAKE ENOUGH FOR THEM.
>
I agree, but I still don't have the balls to call his show and tell him
that...;)
ScottX
> >
> > Yeah, it's because until the PS version that came way later it was
the
> > best console conversion. Even though it was technically less impressive
> > than the PC game and only contains the levels of the shareware version
of
> > Doom.
>
> Now that I have played Doom on an actual computer(my iMac) it's hard to
play
> even the badass PSX version. I love the transparencies, and especially the
> music(my GOD it's good) but the framerate and resolution is pretty bad. I
tried
> sometime ago, unsuccessfully to extract the soundtrack from Doom, but
never
> could get any of the programs out there to actually work. Kind of sucks. I
> could have gotten it off, converted it to MP3, then played it and turned
the
> music off on the iMac Doom and it would have been PERFECT!!!
Yeah, some of the best midi work ever. I'm glad I'm not the only one
who thought the PSX version wasn't as smooth as it should have been. But
then, the PSX was never really better than a 486 PC for that kinda thing
anyway.
> > Apparantly it was SOA's fault too, they forced Id to release the game
> > early. I'd bet if they'd have given Id the time they wanted, they would
> > have done like most other developers and never even bothered to release
> > their game.
>
> It's kind of like Dominick at Lobotomy said to me once, "You're never
through
> with a game, they just take it away from you"...;)
Heheh.
> > I personally put a lot of hours into 32X doom and I don't think
> > I ever beat it playing straight through (It has a level select available
> > from the start).
>
> Oh, I am with you all the way. Back when I only had my Centris, playing
Mac
> games just wasn't an option so when I got the 32X version I played it
NONSTOP!
> Man, it was so good, so different than anything I had ever played before.
I
> actually never noticed that the enemies never turned their back to you,
because
> they didn't have that animation. ;) I also remember being very impressed
with
> the graphics and framerate...but that was a long time ago. I played it a
bit
> last night, just for kicks, I still think it's pretty impressive for the
32X
> hardware. I also agree with you on it being rushed. Had they of had a
little
> more time, I think they may have been able to get it a little bit more
full
> screen with a smaller border...
It really was a good port when you compare it to all the other versions.
Wasn't the Jaguar version pretty good too? I think I remember seeing them
both compared to eachother in a game shop once. The Jaguar version had all
the animations, and I think it was full screen. Doom was definitely an
original game, I don't know why, but I haven't liked a single FPS since
then.
> > Oh yeah! It was because if you played it straight through
> > it was likely to actually crash and display dev code explaining the
glitch!
> > Heheh.
>
> That was the worst! I remember being on the LAST level and it pulled that
> bullshit on me. All in all though, I think I went completely through it,
> without dying about 5 or 6 times...
That's impressive too, especially considering that most people tend to get
motion sick. I had a friend go outside and puke just from watching a few
levels. Heheh.
> >
> > The 3D0 version was great. Yeah, that border you see on the 32X
> > version, multiply that by three and expect an even choppier framerate.
I
> > think you could actually control the border size on that game though.
>
> Still, for a shit version of Doom, NOTHING will ever beat the Saturn
version!
> My God, not even the SNES version was THAT bad...
Oh yeah! I was going to mention that one. I couldn't believe how bad that
game was! Running on almost identical hardware, with more resources, and it
turns out worse than the cartridge version. Unbelievable, especially
considering the decent port of Quake, and the Matrox Mystique style
accelerated port of Duke Nukem.
> >
> > As Wolfenstein-ish as the Snes game was, at least it had all the
> > textures of the PC version, the 32X version didn't have that either. It
> > looked about like Zero Tolerance for the Genesis more than anything
else,
> > flat shaded backgrounds for floors instead of scrolling textures.
> >
>
> I just couldn't get over the framerate on the SNES version; have you seen
the
> GBA version yet? I am betting, like almost ALL GBA games, it's just the
SNES
> version with a few minor enhancements. It would be nice if they actually
took
> advantage of the GBA hardware for once, and made a pretty smooth, portable
> Doom...
I don't think it's as cheasy as the Snes game was. I'm pretty sure it
has floors, ceilings and multiple tiers like Doom was meant to be. I could
be wrong though. Imagine kids and business men playing that game on buses
and airplanes. Heheh.
> >
> > I've never much liked them anyway. Their games are some of the best
in
> > the industry, but they seem to rely too much on trial and error
gameplay,
> > meaning you actually die and start over a lot trying to guess what the
> > developer wanted you to do. Which will always cause me not to buy a
game.
> > Great games, but there are ways to encourage a player to perfect their
> > skills without making them backtrack or start a level all over again.
> >
>
> Hheheehh, kind of like the Reaper's level on the first Castlevania! If you
> don't have Triple Boomerang.....you're gone.
Yeah, exactly like that. Developers! Just put stuff like this in your
games, and you can be sure I'll never give you a penny!
> >
> > Yeah.....is it worth anything now? I heard it was an extremely limited
> > press.
> >
>
> I doubt it. People say that of SotN as well, but even on ebay people don't
get
> more than $20 for it most of the time.
Hmm. They did announce a 2D PS2 Castlevania, that'll be worth checking
into, hopefully the dev cycle won't be too much longer. Have you played
that N64 Castlevanias? I heard they're pretty good, and I've heard they
completely suck, and it can't be both. Sounds like I'd like them, heheh.
> >
> > I totally agree. I'm surprised there's not some hardware limitation
for
> > reading disks with that little data on them. :)
> >
>
> I think it would have been cool for Sega to have the DC check disc, and if
it
> was something ridiculously small you'd get that "Please insert disc"
message,
> but like this "Please insert REAL disc". ;)
"Please get this crap out of me." "Okay gill-less wonder, just open me up
and give me a real disk."
> >
> > Well, I'd totally love to get true arcade conversions of some of my
> > Genesis games. The thing that I would hate would be popping in Shinobi
3 in
> > cartridge form, and knowing for once that there's a better version
available
> > now. Some of the games in my library, like PDS and Shinobi 3 and
Phantasy
> > Star 3 can't be played in any form or semblance anywhere else. As much
as
> > I've always wanted a sequel to top them, it'd be sad to put those games
one
> > notch down on the best ever list after their ten year reign.
> >
>
> Good call, but remember, even if they came out on a compilation CD/DVD you
> still don't get the packaging, manual etc, which is a good reason to have
to
> original. Plus, and I may be off on this, but most games, when redone
always
> seems to mess it up somehow. Somehow, even though the hardware is
superior,
> they cannot seem to get the game right. Even the Sega CD 5/4 in on
Classics are
> off just a tiny bit, and that's a no brainer for the developers...;)
That's true, it's not like I'd suddenly not like my collection. But why
am I going to play the Genesis version of Strider now, when the PS version
is truly arcade perfect? Other than nostalgia and comparison plays. I
guess it'll help me keep my carts in good shape.
> >
> > I think I heard about that guy. Yeah, if you want people to buy
your
> > stuff, MAKE ENOUGH FOR THEM.
> >
>
> I agree, but I still don't have the balls to call his show and tell him
> that...;)
Why bother anyway.
Azathoth
>
> "BelPowerslave" <belpow...@ev1.net> wrote in message
> news:3C94FE6B...@ev1.net...
> > >
> > > It was by Christmas of that year, I'm honestly not sure if it was at
> launch.
> > >
> >
> > IIRC, wasn't it given some pretty nice reviews by almost everyone? I
> remember
> > the guys at Gamefan really liking it.
>
> Yeah, it's because until the PS version that came way later it was the
> best console conversion. Even though it was technically less impressive
> than the PC game and only contains the levels of the shareware version of
> Doom. Apparantly it was SOA's fault too, they forced Id to release the game
> early. I'd bet if they'd have given Id the time they wanted, they would
> have done like most other developers and never even bothered to release
> their game. I personally put a lot of hours into 32X doom and I don't think
> I ever beat it playing straight through (It has a level select available
> from the start). Oh yeah! It was because if you played it straight through
> it was likely to actually crash and display dev code explaining the glitch!
> Heheh.
I actually forced myself to sit down and play this thing all the way
through from the begining with no codes on. You get one extra level to
play at the end that you can't pick with the level select, and the
fucking game still goes to a C:\ whenever you beat it.
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BelPowerslave
> Yeah, some of the best midi work ever.
I have tried numerous times to get a hold of the artist who did the PSX Doom
soundtrack, Aubrey Hodges. No luck. I ANY of the fucking PSX audio extractor
programs came with any sort of instructions I know I could get it off there...
> I'm glad I'm not the only one
> who thought the PSX version wasn't as smooth as it should have been.
...and then came Final Doom, which they somehow managed to screw the framerate
up EVEN MORE. THAT, I couldn't believe...
> But
> then, the PSX was never really better than a 486 PC for that kinda thing
> anyway.
>
True.
>
> It really was a good port when you compare it to all the other versions.
> Wasn't the Jaguar version pretty good too?
Joe Ottoson raves about it whenever I mention it. I have heard good thing from
him and a few others, so I am betting it's pretty good.
> I think I remember seeing them
> both compared to eachother in a game shop once. The Jaguar version had all
> the animations, and I think it was full screen.
Yeah, I think it is as well.
> Doom was definitely an
> original game, I don't know why, but I haven't liked a single FPS since
> then.
>
Tried PowerSlave? ;)
>
> That's impressive too, especially considering that most people tend to get
> motion sick. I had a friend go outside and puke just from watching a few
> levels. Heheh.
>
I used to get a bit queezy from playing GL Quake on the HUGE monitors you would
sit in front of, back when they had it at our Gameworks. That was just too
much!
>
> Oh yeah! I was going to mention that one. I couldn't believe how bad that
> game was!
I'll never forget it: Ezra(lead programmer) at Lobotomy stated that "the
developers of that game should be dragged out to the street and shot". I agree.
;)
> Running on almost identical hardware, with more resources, and it
> turns out worse than the cartridge version.
I couldn't believe it, especially when I compared the 32X version with the
Saturn version and the 32X version had a HIGHER framerate.
> Unbelievable, especially
> considering the decent port of Quake, and the Matrox Mystique style
> accelerated port of Duke Nukem.
>
Quake, Duke and especially PowerSlave were all very well done and seriously
impressive for the hardware of the Saturn. The whole Lobotomy method for light
sourcing was really innovative, and took a lot of work off the processor
allowing the smooth framerates.
>
> I don't think it's as cheasy as the Snes game was. I'm pretty sure it
> has floors, ceilings and multiple tiers like Doom was meant to be. I could
> be wrong though. Imagine kids and business men playing that game on buses
> and airplanes. Heheh.
>
Hell, even though I can't see the damn screen without a 10,000 Watt lighbulb, I
would even try to RIP it out of my girlfriend's hands to play it in deathmatch
mode with other people. ;)
>
> Yeah, exactly like that. Developers! Just put stuff like this in your
> games, and you can be sure I'll never give you a penny!
>
It'd be nice if everyone was like that....Acclaim would be gone(and Probe with
them). ;)
>
> Hmm. They did announce a 2D PS2 Castlevania, that'll be worth checking
> into, hopefully the dev cycle won't be too much longer. Have you played
> that N64 Castlevanias? I heard they're pretty good, and I've heard they
> completely suck, and it can't be both. Sounds like I'd like them, heheh.
>
I've never seen them running, much like the DC version, it *looks* nice but
that's about all I know of them. ;)
>
> "Please get this crap out of me." "Okay gill-less wonder, just open me up
> and give me a real disk."
>
Oh, and I saw this the other day on Limewire: Namco Museum DC.zip - 3.6 meg.
Who in the HELL would pirate that piece of shit!? ;)
>
> That's true, it's not like I'd suddenly not like my collection. But why
> am I going to play the Genesis version of Strider now, when the PS version
> is truly arcade perfect? Other than nostalgia and comparison plays. I
> guess it'll help me keep my carts in good shape.
>
I agree with the Strider, I too rarely play that one now that I have the PSX
Strider 2 collection. BTW, is it just me or is the first one still way better
than part 2?
BelPowerslave
> through from the begining with no codes on. You get one extra level to
> play at the end that you can't pick with the level select, and the
> fucking game still goes to a C:\ whenever you beat it.
Oh yeah, I remember that. Hehehhe, that last level was kind of tough with every
enemy in the game being in it. As long as you had the Pulse Rifle, you could do
ok....until you beat it and get the "C:\", not even the BFG could take that
one...;)
ScottX
> >
> > Yeah, some of the best midi work ever.
>
> I have tried numerous times to get a hold of the artist who did the PSX
Doom
> soundtrack, Aubrey Hodges. No luck. I ANY of the fucking PSX audio
extractor
> programs came with any sort of instructions I know I could get it off
there...
You must have some crazy connections, to even try.
> > I'm glad I'm not the only one
> > who thought the PSX version wasn't as smooth as it should have been.
>
> ...and then came Final Doom, which they somehow managed to screw the
framerate
> up EVEN MORE. THAT, I couldn't believe...
Blame it on the masses, they don't notice choppy framerates, or smooth ones.
> > But
> > then, the PSX was never really better than a 486 PC for that kinda thing
> > anyway.
> >
>
> True.
>
> >
> > It really was a good port when you compare it to all the other
versions.
> > Wasn't the Jaguar version pretty good too?
>
> Joe Ottoson raves about it whenever I mention it. I have heard good thing
from
> him and a few others, so I am betting it's pretty good.
> > I think I remember seeing them
> > both compared to eachother in a game shop once. The Jaguar version had
all
> > the animations, and I think it was full screen.
>
> Yeah, I think it is as well.
> > Doom was definitely an
> > original game, I don't know why, but I haven't liked a single FPS since
> > then.
> >
>
> Tried PowerSlave? ;)
No, but I know it's a great game, I just haven't seen it in years. It's
probably not cheap now either.
> >
> > That's impressive too, especially considering that most people tend to
get
> > motion sick. I had a friend go outside and puke just from watching a
few
> > levels. Heheh.
> >
>
> I used to get a bit queezy from playing GL Quake on the HUGE monitors you
would
> sit in front of, back when they had it at our Gameworks. That was just too
> much!
Hmm, the only time I've ever gotten motion sick was when I was a kid on
one of those spinning things at MacDonalds. I ran and spun myself as fast as
I could and watched my surroundings get blurry, for an hour. I was sick all
night, but that's the only time.
> >
> > Oh yeah! I was going to mention that one. I couldn't believe how bad
that
> > game was!
>
> I'll never forget it: Ezra(lead programmer) at Lobotomy stated that "the
> developers of that game should be dragged out to the street and shot". I
agree.
> ;)
Right along with a bunch of other developers. Or maybe I should say
publishers that put a game out, rather than do whatever it takes to get it
out right.
> > Running on almost identical hardware, with more resources, and it
> > turns out worse than the cartridge version.
>
> I couldn't believe it, especially when I compared the 32X version with the
> Saturn version and the 32X version had a HIGHER framerate.
Yup.
> > Unbelievable, especially
> > considering the decent port of Quake, and the Matrox Mystique style
> > accelerated port of Duke Nukem.
> >
>
> Quake, Duke and especially PowerSlave were all very well done and
seriously
> impressive for the hardware of the Saturn. The whole Lobotomy method for
light
> sourcing was really innovative, and took a lot of work off the processor
> allowing the smooth framerates.
Dangit, now I want Duke Nukem Sat. Thanks. :)
> >
> > I don't think it's as cheasy as the Snes game was. I'm pretty sure
it
> > has floors, ceilings and multiple tiers like Doom was meant to be. I
could
> > be wrong though. Imagine kids and business men playing that game on
buses
> > and airplanes. Heheh.
> >
>
> Hell, even though I can't see the damn screen without a 10,000 Watt
lighbulb, I
> would even try to RIP it out of my girlfriend's hands to play it in
deathmatch
> mode with other people. ;)
Ugh, can't stand portables.
> >
> > Yeah, exactly like that. Developers! Just put stuff like this in
your
> > games, and you can be sure I'll never give you a penny!
> >
>
> It'd be nice if everyone was like that....Acclaim would be gone(and Probe
with
> them). ;)
Not to mention EA. Oh, wait, they make money re-releasing the same four
games every year, and occasionally coming up with something unique, that's a
whole different animal.
> >
> > Hmm. They did announce a 2D PS2 Castlevania, that'll be worth
checking
> > into, hopefully the dev cycle won't be too much longer. Have you played
> > that N64 Castlevanias? I heard they're pretty good, and I've heard they
> > completely suck, and it can't be both. Sounds like I'd like them,
heheh.
> >
>
> I've never seen them running, much like the DC version, it *looks* nice
but
> that's about all I know of them. ;)
> >
> > "Please get this crap out of me." "Okay gill-less wonder, just open me
up
> > and give me a real disk."
> >
>
> Oh, and I saw this the other day on Limewire: Namco Museum DC.zip - 3.6
meg.
> Who in the HELL would pirate that piece of shit!? ;)
Pirates I know do it just because they can. They don't play the games,
or sell them. It's really odd. I've used the occasional CD-R to test a
game, but if I don't like it, I don't play it, if I do, I go out and buy the
danged thing. CD-Rs are ugly, heheh.
> >
> > That's true, it's not like I'd suddenly not like my collection. But
why
> > am I going to play the Genesis version of Strider now, when the PS
version
> > is truly arcade perfect? Other than nostalgia and comparison plays. I
> > guess it'll help me keep my carts in good shape.
> >
>
> I agree with the Strider, I too rarely play that one now that I have the
PSX
> Strider 2 collection. BTW, is it just me or is the first one still way
better
> than part 2?
Yeah, part 2 was way better than the US Gold release for the Genesis,
but it doesn't match the first game somehow. Maybe it's just because it
really doesn't improve on the first game enough.
BelPowerslave
> You must have some crazy connections, to even try.
>
Oddly enough, a lot of these guys I have always wanted to talk to, I have. I'm
not bragging, but I've talked to Dan Forden(MK Music), Scott Hawkins(Sega Swirl
creator), Pete Clark(Producer of DC UT), Dan Jevons(Knighmare at the old GF),
almost everyone at Lobotomy(PowerSlave, Duke, Quake on Saturn) and ECM at GF.
They're all very nice, and I was shocked to hear anything from them, let alone
meet some of them face to face. I would still love to get a hold of Aubrey to
talk about the Doom Soundtrack, and especially Spencer Nilsen so I could tell
him how phenomenally amazing I found his work one Ecco and Ecco: ToT.
>
> Blame it on the masses, they don't notice choppy framerates, or smooth ones.
>
As long as it looks good, doesn't really seem to matter to most does it? I
always think of Toh Shin Den when this comes up...man, I cannot believe how
crazy this country went over that piece of shit. I will NEVER forget that one
cover of Game Players Magazine: "Greatest game of all time". I about cried...
>
> No, but I know it's a great game, I just haven't seen it in years. It's
> probably not cheap now either.
>
The PSX version is still readily available at most places, and pretty
cheap(about $9 or so). It's not the best out of the three versions, but it's
very, very good still. If you ever run across the Saturn version, I would
HIGHLY recommend it!
>
> Right along with a bunch of other developers. Or maybe I should say
> publishers that put a game out, rather than do whatever it takes to get it
> out right.
>
Doom, along with Hexen were absolute travesties on the Saturn.
>
> Dangit, now I want Duke Nukem Sat. Thanks. :)
>
Oh, sweet Jesus, if you don't have Duke on Saturn...what are you doing man!?
Duke on Saturn is (pardon me)FUCKING good. Super smooth framerate, UNCENSORED
quotes/levels, good control(you can play with the regular pad, or the analog
for "Jevon's Control{which I was there when they named it that}" which is just
like playing UT or Q3 or anything else on the DC) and most of all: DEATH TANK
ZWEI!!!!! The BEST multiplayer game OF ALL TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Ugh, can't stand portables.
>
I don't much care for any of them, other than my Nomad. Nothing beats a good
RPG like PS 3 or Sorcerer's Kingdom while your travelling around.
> Not to mention EA. Oh, wait, they make money re-releasing the same four
> games every year, and occasionally coming up with something unique, that's a
> whole different animal.
>
I remember the good'ole days, when EA would put something out other than {the
same}sports titles. General Chaos, B.O.B, The Immortal, etc....wow, those were
the days...
>
> Yeah, part 2 was way better than the US Gold release for the Genesis,
> but it doesn't match the first game somehow. Maybe it's just because it
> really doesn't improve on the first game enough.
Oh man, part two on the Genesis, what was Capcom thinking letting US Gold(of
ALL companies) do it!?
ScottX
ends)
Heheh
"BelPowerslave" <belpow...@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:3C96AB13...@ev1.net...
> >
> > You must have some crazy connections, to even try.
> >
>
> Oddly enough, a lot of these guys I have always wanted to talk to, I have.
I'm
> not bragging, but I've talked to Dan Forden(MK Music), Scott Hawkins(Sega
Swirl
> creator), Pete Clark(Producer of DC UT), Dan Jevons(Knighmare at the old
GF),
> almost everyone at Lobotomy(PowerSlave, Duke, Quake on Saturn) and ECM at
GF.
> They're all very nice, and I was shocked to hear anything from them, let
alone
> meet some of them face to face. I would still love to get a hold of Aubrey
to
> talk about the Doom Soundtrack, and especially Spencer Nilsen so I could
tell
> him how phenomenally amazing I found his work one Ecco and Ecco: ToT.
That's really cool. It just goes to show you what you can get just by
sticking your head up and asking.
> >
> > Blame it on the masses, they don't notice choppy framerates, or smooth
ones.
> >
>
> As long as it looks good, doesn't really seem to matter to most does it? I
> always think of Toh Shin Den when this comes up...man, I cannot believe
how
> crazy this country went over that piece of shit. I will NEVER forget that
one
> cover of Game Players Magazine: "Greatest game of all time". I about
cried...
Oh yeah, I remember that. That game was a joke, I have no idea what
made it popular. Other than everyone I knew who'd never played games
before, somehow managed to pick up a PS and that game and have fun mashing
buttons.
> >
> > No, but I know it's a great game, I just haven't seen it in years. It's
> > probably not cheap now either.
> >
>
> The PSX version is still readily available at most places, and pretty
> cheap(about $9 or so). It's not the best out of the three versions, but
it's
> very, very good still. If you ever run across the Saturn version, I would
> HIGHLY recommend it!
Naw, I've seen the Saturn version in action, I'd just be complaining
about what might have been with the PS version the whole time. I'll find
it, eventually.
> >
> > Right along with a bunch of other developers. Or maybe I should say
> > publishers that put a game out, rather than do whatever it takes to get
it
> > out right.
> >
>
> Doom, along with Hexen were absolute travesties on the Saturn.
Right along with most of the other 3rd party offerings.
> >
> > Dangit, now I want Duke Nukem Sat. Thanks. :)
> >
>
> Oh, sweet Jesus, if you don't have Duke on Saturn...what are you doing
man!?
> Duke on Saturn is (pardon me)FUCKING good. Super smooth framerate,
UNCENSORED
> quotes/levels, good control(you can play with the regular pad, or the
analog
> for "Jevon's Control{which I was there when they named it that}" which is
just
> like playing UT or Q3 or anything else on the DC) and most of all: DEATH
TANK
> ZWEI!!!!! The BEST multiplayer game OF ALL TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah it was, I actually really enjoyed it. It's probably the last high
res Saturn game, if I recall. I really should have bought it when I had the
chance. I wasn't much of a game collector then though, and I never ever
bought games that didn't have a gameplay advancement over the best game in
the genre. Duke had character, but it played almost exactly like Doom.
Which, in retrospect, isn't a bad thing at all. I'll find it too.
> >
> > Ugh, can't stand portables.
> >
>
> I don't much care for any of them, other than my Nomad. Nothing beats a
good
> RPG like PS 3 or Sorcerer's Kingdom while your travelling around.
That's true. I'd waste a lot of spare time with an RPG on a portable.
I just wouldn't want to play any of my favorite action games on such a small
screen. Man, I wish they'd make a TV adapter for the GBA, I'd buy it
tomorrow.
> > Not to mention EA. Oh, wait, they make money re-releasing the same
four
> > games every year, and occasionally coming up with something unique,
that's a
> > whole different animal.
> >
>
> I remember the good'ole days, when EA would put something out other than
{the
> same}sports titles. General Chaos, B.O.B, The Immortal, etc....wow, those
were
> the days...
Yeah, they released some good games back then, The Immortal in
particular was a quality port. I liked Populous too.
> >
> > Yeah, part 2 was way better than the US Gold release for the
Genesis,
> > but it doesn't match the first game somehow. Maybe it's just because it
> > really doesn't improve on the first game enough.
>
> Oh man, part two on the Genesis, what was Capcom thinking letting US
Gold(of
> ALL companies) do it!?
It really doesn't make sense. It seems like all of their popular games
that I like, they won't make sequels to. Yet they've dragged Street Fighter
along for a decade now.
I mean, come on, Maximo's okay, but it doesn't have the feeling of
Ghouls n Ghosts. Super GnG, and Ghost's N Goblins maybe, but not the
original Ghouls N Ghosts. I never could figure out what made that game so
entertaining for me, yet I couldn't stand the other two, and now Maximo's
the same way, and I was looking forward to it.
BelPowerslave
> ends)
>
I know it, isn't it great? ;)
>
> That's really cool. It just goes to show you what you can get just by
> sticking your head up and asking.
>
Indeed.
>
> Oh yeah, I remember that. That game was a joke, I have no idea what
> made it popular. Other than everyone I knew who'd never played games
> before, somehow managed to pick up a PS and that game and have fun mashing
> buttons.
>
No combos, no control, all graphics....I think that's what got the general
American gaming public with that game. ;)
>
> Naw, I've seen the Saturn version in action, I'd just be complaining
> about what might have been with the PS version the whole time. I'll find
> it, eventually.
>
Either way, they are both excellent.
>
> Yeah it was, I actually really enjoyed it. It's probably the last high
> res Saturn game, if I recall. I really should have bought it when I had the
> chance. I wasn't much of a game collector then though, and I never ever
> bought games that didn't have a gameplay advancement over the best game in
> the genre. Duke had character, but it played almost exactly like Doom.
> Which, in retrospect, isn't a bad thing at all. I'll find it too.
>
What makes Duke so good, in my opinion are the levels, especially the ones on
Earth.
>
> That's true. I'd waste a lot of spare time with an RPG on a portable.
> I just wouldn't want to play any of my favorite action games on such a small
> screen. Man, I wish they'd make a TV adapter for the GBA, I'd buy it
> tomorrow.
>
They do, but you better take a deep breath before you take a look at the
price... :(
>
> Yeah, they released some good games back then, The Immortal in
> particular was a quality port. I liked Populous too.
>
Budoken was always fun for a bit...but the hardcore gore in Immortal was great!
>
> It really doesn't make sense. It seems like all of their popular games
> that I like, they won't make sequels to. Yet they've dragged Street Fighter
> along for a decade now.
Yup, and not "wonderfully" at times...;)
>
> I mean, come on, Maximo's okay, but it doesn't have the feeling of
> Ghouls n Ghosts. Super GnG, and Ghost's N Goblins maybe, but not the
> original Ghouls N Ghosts. I never could figure out what made that game so
> entertaining for me, yet I couldn't stand the other two, and now Maximo's
> the same way, and I was looking forward to it.
Ghouls and Ghosts on the Genesis was great, it was truly old-school platforming
at it's best. Not to hard, not to easy and with a lot of cool weapons and
such...
ScottX
> > This is the thread that never ends.......(To the tune of the song that
never
> > ends)
> >
>
> I know it, isn't it great? ;)
I think it's the first one I've participated in that hadn't digressed
into a flame war in at least one subthread. Very nice.
> >
> > That's really cool. It just goes to show you what you can get just
by
> > sticking your head up and asking.
> >
>
> Indeed.
>
> >
> > Oh yeah, I remember that. That game was a joke, I have no idea what
> > made it popular. Other than everyone I knew who'd never played games
> > before, somehow managed to pick up a PS and that game and have fun
mashing
> > buttons.
> >
>
> No combos, no control, all graphics....I think that's what got the general
> American gaming public with that game. ;)
I never even though the graphics were great. They were okay, but not great.
> >
> > Naw, I've seen the Saturn version in action, I'd just be complaining
> > about what might have been with the PS version the whole time. I'll
find
> > it, eventually.
> >
>
> Either way, they are both excellent.
> >
> > Yeah it was, I actually really enjoyed it. It's probably the last
high
> > res Saturn game, if I recall. I really should have bought it when I had
the
> > chance. I wasn't much of a game collector then though, and I never ever
> > bought games that didn't have a gameplay advancement over the best game
in
> > the genre. Duke had character, but it played almost exactly like Doom.
> > Which, in retrospect, isn't a bad thing at all. I'll find it too.
> >
>
> What makes Duke so good, in my opinion are the levels, especially the ones
on
> Earth.
Yeah, the levels were cool. They just don't give me that gritty
satisfaction that Doom 1 levels did. But then, it has a similar problem as
all other FPS other than Doom, when you shoot things, they don't die. I
think the biggest thing for me with Doom was shooting most of the enemies
with the shot gun and seeing them die in one hit, and shooting into a crowd
with a bazooka and seeing the immediate death of most everything standing in
the area. Nothing else has really done it as solidly, that I've played.
> >
> > That's true. I'd waste a lot of spare time with an RPG on a
portable.
> > I just wouldn't want to play any of my favorite action games on such a
small
> > screen. Man, I wish they'd make a TV adapter for the GBA, I'd buy it
> > tomorrow.
> >
>
> They do, but you better take a deep breath before you take a look at the
> price... :(
Oh! Jeez, they did make one. I wonder if it works very well......$180 for
a GBA and the adapter, :(
> >
> > Yeah, they released some good games back then, The Immortal in
> > particular was a quality port. I liked Populous too.
> >
>
> Budoken was always fun for a bit...but the hardcore gore in Immortal was
great!
Budoken was cool. It was actually one of the games that got me to seriously
consider practicing martial "arts".
> >
> > It really doesn't make sense. It seems like all of their popular
games
> > that I like, they won't make sequels to. Yet they've dragged Street
Fighter
> > along for a decade now.
>
> Yup, and not "wonderfully" at times...;)
>
> >
> > I mean, come on, Maximo's okay, but it doesn't have the feeling of
> > Ghouls n Ghosts. Super GnG, and Ghost's N Goblins maybe, but not the
> > original Ghouls N Ghosts. I never could figure out what made that game
so
> > entertaining for me, yet I couldn't stand the other two, and now
Maximo's
> > the same way, and I was looking forward to it.
>
> Ghouls and Ghosts on the Genesis was great, it was truly old-school
platforming
> at it's best. Not to hard, not to easy and with a lot of cool weapons and
> such...
That's the only thing I can pin on it too. It was challenging, but not
cheap or too difficult. And it had the ability to throw the weapon up and
down! Screw the stupid mid-air jump and let the guy throw his weapon above
and below him.
BelPowerslave
> I think it's the first one I've participated in that hadn't digressed
> into a flame war in at least one subthread. Very nice.
>
In this day and age, it's hard to do that in good'ole RGVS.
>
> I never even though the graphics were great. They were okay, but not great.
>
Well, back when I first saw it, like Wipeout, I thought the graphics were very
impressive. Nowadays, they are good, not great(like you said).
>
> Yeah, the levels were cool. They just don't give me that gritty
> satisfaction that Doom 1 levels did. But then, it has a similar problem as
> all other FPS other than Doom, when you shoot things, they don't die. I
> think the biggest thing for me with Doom was shooting most of the enemies
> with the shot gun and seeing them die in one hit, and shooting into a crowd
> with a bazooka and seeing the immediate death of most everything standing in
> the area. Nothing else has really done it as solidly, that I've played.
>
I think Duke does it well, most things will die pretty quickly from the
shotgun, and especially the damn rocket launcher(man, that thing kills me more
than it does the enemies). Now, later on in the game, you're right, the pigs
and lizards don't go down nearly as quickly as the enemies in the first half of
the game did.
Also, and just to comment on what I see FPS shooter today: 1) They're all
polygon based now, so having 100 imps is just pretty much out of the question
until they can get some better 3D cards and processors out on the market so
therefore 2) They make every enemy a challenge(the first Quake was a good
example of this with the Ogres and Fiends).
>
> Oh! Jeez, they did make one. I wonder if it works very well......$180 for
> a GBA and the adapter, :(
>
I saw it for $80, but still, that's too damn much to play a portable SNES on
the TV. Hell, just take the $80, buy a SNES and use the other $50 to buy the
games you wanted on it(general majority of them are all available on the SNES
from with they were ported). The GBA is such a joke to me... ;)
>
> Budoken was cool. It was actually one of the games that got me to seriously
> consider practicing martial "arts".
>
I always loved the competitions where the guy gets a 6 foot pole and you got
the...well, nothing sometimes. Two hits, everytime: Whap, whap! hehehehe ;)
>
> That's the only thing I can pin on it too. It was challenging, but not
> cheap or too difficult. And it had the ability to throw the weapon up and
> down! Screw the stupid mid-air jump and let the guy throw his weapon above
> and below him.
>
I liked the Magic Armor system as well; assuming you could keep your Magic
Armor long enough to use it. Some of the spells were pretty sweet!
Scott X
Yeah, that's probably it. Not as many enemies to destroy, and enemies
are more powerful than you are. Not quite as fun in my opinion, but then
they moved on to multiplayer too, which I don't like to do because of time
constraints.
> >
> > Oh! Jeez, they did make one. I wonder if it works very well......$180
for
> > a GBA and the adapter, :(
> >
>
> I saw it for $80, but still, that's too damn much to play a portable SNES
on
> the TV. Hell, just take the $80, buy a SNES and use the other $50 to buy
the
> games you wanted on it(general majority of them are all available on the
SNES
> from with they were ported). The GBA is such a joke to me... ;)
It's just that Sonic Advance is so pretty, and I'd like to have it full
screen on my TV.....
> >
> > Budoken was cool. It was actually one of the games that got me to
seriously
> > consider practicing martial "arts".
> >
>
> I always loved the competitions where the guy gets a 6 foot pole and you
got
> the...well, nothing sometimes. Two hits, everytime: Whap, whap! hehehehe
;)
Heheh
> >
> > That's the only thing I can pin on it too. It was challenging, but
not
> > cheap or too difficult. And it had the ability to throw the weapon up
and
> > down! Screw the stupid mid-air jump and let the guy throw his weapon
above
> > and below him.
> >
>
> I liked the Magic Armor system as well; assuming you could keep your Magic
> Armor long enough to use it. Some of the spells were pretty sweet!
Yeah! Though, that was in SGnG too I believe. But yeah, I used to pause
the game during the lighting magic attack, and leave the screen there just
when Arthur was just a sillouette(sp?), very cool for the day.
Sean Connery
ScottX <weapo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It really was a good port when you compare it to all the other versions.
>Wasn't the Jaguar version pretty good too? I think I remember seeing them
>both compared to eachother in a game shop once. The Jaguar version had all
>the animations, and I think it was full screen. Doom was definitely an
>original game, I don't know why, but I haven't liked a single FPS since
>then.
Doom on the Jaguar was very good. Full screen. Alot of stuff intact
(from PC). No ingame music. Big woop. Usually when I frag demons in
real life I'm not using my Rio or Nomad (har har grin). Plus, it was
networkable with another Jaguar (tho buggy due to Atari). Carmack used to
post to Usenet back in 1993 and 1994. There's a "famous" post from then
on why ID did the Jaguar port inhouse but farmed out 3DO, etc. Punch
'doom jaguar carmack' into Google Groups and hit the first result. I
still play Jag Doom at least once a year, every Halloween. The first year
it came out I cranked it up thru the stereo and blasted it at the trick or
treaters. It's the perect version for that. No load times. Goes right
into demo mode. And no music, just SFX. Lots of screaming and shotguns.
An odd tradition I keep up to this day.
>> > The 3D0 version was great. Yeah, that border you see on the 32X
>> > version, multiply that by three and expect an even choppier framerate.
Read the post I mentioned above. Carmack went into Jaguar and 3DO
viability at the time. Interesting.
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BelPowerslave
> Yeah, that's probably it. Not as many enemies to destroy, and enemies
> are more powerful than you are. Not quite as fun in my opinion, but then
> they moved on to multiplayer too, which I don't like to do because of time
> constraints.
>
I used to not like multiplayer FPS, but then I played UT on DC and it got me
hooked. Shortly after the UT servers started being over run with fucking
Gamesharkers and people who would use "Auto Aim" I bought UT on the Mac. I
CANNOT get enough!
Oh, and get this: I was trying to remember the name of the people they got to
port Doom over on the Saturn, and if I find it and it's who I remember it was
someone in this newsgroup is in SERIOUS trouble. ;) Anyway, as I was looking
around for it, I read a review of Saturn Doom that said ALL 20 tracks of the
ambient music provided by Aubrey Hodges, is REDBOOK on the Saturn
disc!!!!!!!!!! I am going to pick it up next time I see it, bring a CD player,
test it and buy it if that's true! Hell, even though I'd never pop it in the
Saturn(EVER) I would love to have it just to use it as a music CD(like I do
with Ecco and Ecco:ToT. They never get played, I just use them for the music).
>
> It's just that Sonic Advance is so pretty, and I'd like to have it full
> screen on my TV.....
>
I don't blame you, I wouldn't mind getting it for my girlfriend either:
Assuming it ever drops to a REASONABLE price. I would pay about $20 for it, and
then give it to her....at least then, I could get Castlevania and finally play
it...and, more importantly, see it! ;)
>
> Yeah! Though, that was in SGnG too I believe. But yeah, I used to pause
> the game during the lighting magic attack, and leave the screen there just
> when Arthur was just a sillouette(sp?), very cool for the day.
>
Indeed! I was soooooooooooooo very impressed with that game when I first got
it. Hell, it's still impressive...:)
Sean Connery
BelPowerslave <belpow...@ev1.net> wrote:
>Oh, and get this: I was trying to remember the name of the people they got to
>port Doom over on the Saturn, and if I find it and it's who I remember it was
>someone in this newsgroup is in SERIOUS trouble. ;) Anyway, as I was looking
>around for it, I read a review of Saturn Doom that said ALL 20 tracks of the
>ambient music provided by Aubrey Hodges, is REDBOOK on the Saturn
>disc!!!!!!!!!! I am going to pick it up next time I see it, bring a CD player,
>test it and buy it if that's true! Hell, even though I'd never pop it in the
>Saturn(EVER) I would love to have it just to use it as a music CD(like I do
>with Ecco and Ecco:ToT. They never get played, I just use them for the music).
From what I recall, Saturn Doom was gamewise a pretty smelly port, and the
Jag port was better. Tho I think the music *was* Redbook, yes.
Hmmm..
aha!
Compare/contrast all Doom ports, good site!
BelPowerslave
> From what I recall, Saturn Doom was gamewise a pretty smelly port,
Oh, sweet Jesuss, it was REAL BAD. I'll never forget the overwhelming feeling of
disappointment that washed over me after I hit the start button and started to move
around. At that point all I had was my Saturn, so I was REALLY hoping the Saturn
version would be just as good, if not better, than the PSX version.
> and the
> Jag port was better.
Yeah, I hear that the Jag is pretty much the best port of all of them. I liked the
PSX for the transparencies, I thought they were a nice touch, but the framerate
kills me. When I get the soundtrack, playing it in the iMac while playing Ultimate
Doom on the iMac will be the PERFECT version in my opinion.
> Tho I think the music *was* Redbook, yes.
>
See, as much as I would like to completely fly off the handle on the fuckers at
Rage, I do have to at least give them credit for making the audio Redbook. Next
time I see Saturn Doom I will pick it up. I will rip Aubrey Hodges amazingly
ambient soundtrack to MP3, turn around and burn it to audio CD, use it as a
soundtrack only, then pop Saturn Doom in the microwave for 2 seconds....(btw, if
you've never done this, try it, just once. Label side down and NO MORE THAN 3
seconds though, trust me).
>
> Hmmm..
>
> aha!
>
> www.doomworld.com/pageofdoom
>
> Compare/contrast all Doom ports, good site!
I will have to take a look....
Thanks,