TRON-LEGACY movie getting BAD advance reviews, NOW WHAT???
miracleman
VIP screening and hated it.
Said the eye candy was decent but he almost walked out of it a couple
times because of the writing.
Other advance reviews are saying the same thing.
I know this will have no effect or whether TRON the pinball machine is
good/fun to play, but could/would Stern and their new investors bail
on making the game at this point, or is it too far in planning?
I WANT to see a TRON pin, but just curious since it's 2 games away.
SaBbRa CaDaBra
Doesn't surprise me. Now all we need is a shitty pinball to go along
with it.
Stern should incorporate that dork Tron fan who was all the rage
recently into the game.
Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3609OtM138c
bobbys world
Well, I'm not sure if the reviews effect Stern with production, but
I'm going to see the movie Sunday to judge for myself.
Rottentomatoes gave it a 56%, so it can't be all bad.
I'll go in the movie with my expectations fallen dramaticly. Then,
I'll hopefully enjoy it..
Bob
Bobbys World Amus.
SaBbRa CaDaBra
This game should be LOADED with that EL-Wire stuff.
B Coney
wrote:
Problem with EL wire on a pin is that if the pin has alot of GI then
the EL wire won't look bright enough. I tried putting some on my MM
under the moat and behind the castle and other areas just to see how
it would look and you really couldn't even tell it was there due to
all the other "ambient" lighting. I took it off.
Brian
skbrothers
showing of it tonite with a buddy. His only chance to see it this
holiday is tonite (as his wife's family rolls in town tomorrow and
he'll be required to entertain all week), so I offered to stay up late
and see it with him tonite (actually tomorrow morning).
I'm also required to bring my two boys to it as they are excited about
it so whether it sucks or not...I'm seeing it twice.
The way I see it, the writing in the first Tron sucked and I still
liked it, so my expectations for story are set VERY low...I'm sure I
won't be disappointed!
Steve
SaBbRa CaDaBra
Let's hope Stern can figure it out. It's probably the most essential
aspect of the game, aside from whatever Kmart toy they decide to use.
I say take the standard ambient lighting out and go all EL-Wire and
blue LED. Also, blue DMD. Actually, probably not a blue DMD. I just
watched the original Tron trailer and there was some orange in there
so standard orange might look good for some contrast. Kinda a
challenge how to incorporate the EL, while still keeping the game
playable. Ya think Stern is up to the task?
SaBbRa CaDaBra
G.I. has got to go for Tron. Maybe the game could be all EL, and
instead of a silver ball that reflects all the darkness and disappears
into dimly lit games and dark areas of the playfield, Stern could use
a white ball for this game. If the ball is white I don't think
standard G.I. will be necessary.
Todd S.
course played the heck out of the video games that came out. Disc of
Tron, Tron
Todd S.
Taylor-VA
AFM. Scrapping GI all together would be a bad idea imo. It would also
be cool to have a glow in the dark ball that would be used in the
mode, could be activated with an under playfield charging area, maybe
underplayfield GI encompassing the ball that is held captive ala BSD
until the mode is reached.
The movie being bad shouldn't hurt gameplay but if they stop the
action to play a crappy scene like IJ4 does than it will kill it. The
lighting possibilities with this theme are really exciting. I don't
get excited about Stern speculation but this one really could be
something. We shall see, or maybe not. bwahahahahah
bobbys world
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> - Show quoted text -
I agree. No GI, or very little.
Bob
Les Manley
I have heard way more good than bad. I take it with a grain of salt.
Some people are tough to please and some will never be pleased. Some
of the acting and the script were the bad I had read about, but what
do you expect from a sequel to a 30 year old Disney movie that didn't
have good acting or a good script to begin with? I am seeing it
tonight at midnight and couldn't be more excited.
kenny_ii
EL wire can have various brightness. The higher the frequency of the
input voltage,the brighter the wire.
K2
Jonny O
Yeah, I'm not expecting too much. The director is pretty much a
rookie whose experience is in television commercials. David Fincher
(Fight Club, Social Network) got his start in music videos so the
switch can be made. But then again, David Fincher's first movie was
Alien 3. Yikes.
trailiajohn
They're not using EL wire they're using some fiber based stuff used in
accent lighting in cars/limos. That should be bright enough to use
with GI. They had a facebook tease about it, so I googled the
brochure text and found the MFG site.
bayoubilly1970
Well, given they made an Avatar pin and that movie SUCKED (snore
fest), anything is possible.
I want a Pee-Wee's Playhouse pin myself... to each their own.
chuck
I don't think a lot of people saw the original. The writing was really
bad. The acting wasn't much better. The coolest two things about the
movie were the graphics and the premise. I still loved it =) I'm not
expecting much more out of Tron 2. Give me some cool fights and I'll
be happy.
lyons...@carolina.rr.com
Yeah! I can't believe people expect a Tron movie to be good... the
first one sure wasn't. If you thought the first one was cool, you
ought to be alright with the second one having shitty acting and a
rediculous plot.
I'm not slamming it, I'm just saying Tron's draw wasn't acting. Plus,
the original was a bomb. I'm not sure what people are looking for on
this one.
MB
At some point, Stern will actually do some marketing. And marketing
includes researching your product's key demographics. That being said-
I would wager pretty highly that the pinball playing crowd, AND those
people who would potentially drop coin into any pinball, would rate
TRON the Movie much higher than the standard movie goer. Don't they
know their market? Potential market?
Mark Clayton
computer-generated eye candy. This was before desktop graphics,
a CGI industry or photo-realistic computer graphics rendering
were ever seen in mainstream movies. It gave my friend a
headache, but I was jazzed. The plot made no sense and there
was some eye-rolling corny crap in there, but most people
going didn't care because it was "new". It probably inspired
many people to get into engineering, computers, graphics, etc.
The sequel is not new. It's a run-of-the-mill 3D CGI movie.
It still has the nonsense plot, corny elements and mediocre
acting, but other than the nostalgia factor, there's not
much there to get anyone excited. And waiting 28 years
to follow up the original means that most of the original
fans are outside the main demographic.
The inevitable XBOX/PS3 game will probably make much more
money than the movie, and rightly so.
-Mark
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Rare Hero
> At some point, Stern will actually do some marketing. And marketing
> includes researching your product's key demographics. That being said-
> I would wager pretty highly that the pinball playing crowd, AND those
> people who would potentially drop coin into any pinball, would rate
> TRON the Movie much higher than the standard movie goer. Don't they
> know their market? Potential market?
Well, this will be an interesting test, then. Stern has only done
franchises...and broke from that (Avatar) when they knew it was a mega-
popular hit. Tron was a shitty movie that no one remembers outside a
very rabid mid-thirties/fourties gamer geek fanbase. This new movie
is tracking horribly (the masses aren't interested) AND the reviews
are terrible....this could be this year's 3rd "Geek flop" (Kick-Ass &
Scott Pilgrim being the first 2....btw I LOVE those movies). So - at
that point, does Stern scrap Tron to avoid having a possible Johnny
Mnemonic level license on their hands, or test the uber-nerds who
probably would still like/play/buy the pinball? Is that concentration
of Tron-loving demographic enough to sell as many machines as IM or
Avatar? Hmm Hmmm Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....
Strange thing is, I'm in this "gamer geek" demographic and I honestly
don't give a shit about Tron.....I might actually see Yogi Bear this
weekend instead LOL. ;)
Greg
Andrzej
Let's see:
Starshit Troopers
The Shadow
Terminator 3
Congo
Johnny Mnemonic
Demolition Man
Just to name a few.
Lloyd Olson
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Lloyd Olson
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Lloyd Olson
to get something similar but easy to maintain. LTG :)
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Lloyd Olson
Not bad for a movie that sucked. ( perhaps stern was looking at the numbers
when they made their decision to build it ? ) LTG :)
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Lloyd Olson
go after them. No matter what the movie does, aftermarket items can be huge.
LTG :)
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Rompen
wrote:
> On Dec 16, 7:47 am, miracleman <psychospe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > A good friend who is a die-hard Tron fan saw it a couple days ago at a
> > VIP screening and hated it.
> > Said the eye candy was decent but he almost walked out of it a couple
> > times because of the writing.
> > Other advance reviews are saying the same thing.
>
> > I know this will have no effect or whether TRON the pinball machine is
> > good/fun to play, but could/would Stern and their new investors bail
> > on making the game at this point, or is it too far in planning?
> > I WANT to see a TRON pin, but just curious since it's 2 games away.
>
> with it.
> Stern should incorporate that dork Tron fan who was all the rage
> recently into the game.
> Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3609OtM138c
Doing a remake of Tron is like a cover band doing a Pink Floyd or Led
Zepplin tune. If you don't get Gilmour's or Page's lead right, you're
screwed. You don't mess with peoples' iconic movies unless you can
really do homage. From the reviews I've read, the screenplay is just
an attempt to milk money from a nostalgic demographic using well-worn
formulas. Then again, that's basically Stern's business model, so I
don't expect them to be concerned.
Rare Hero
> Doing a remake of Tron is like a cover band doing a Pink Floyd or Led
> Zepplin tune.
It's not a remake, it's a sequel.
Honestly I think it might have been better off as a remake, since most
people don't remember or like the original.
Greg
BoJo
ldnayman
> A good friend who is a die-hard Tron fan saw it a couple days ago at a
> VIP screening and hated it.
> Said the eye candy was decent but he almost walked out of it a couple
> times because of the writing.
> Other advance reviews are saying the same thing.
>
So, in other words, it's just like the original!
What's the problem?
Del
Levi,
The problem is, Like every new game that comes out there will be 20
something people to run out & buy it with out seeing or playing the
game & then the Bych-fest will start here about how cheap or crappy
the game is & We'll get to read all of that along with the hype we're
reading now & then we'll have 2 versions of the game, #1 the Watered
down bare to the bones game, # 2 Then the LE will come out & we'll get
to read about this as well .
Myself, I Hope they can build a game worth buying & I Do like Tron,
But I'd never buy another new Stern with out seeing & playing it 1st .
Pin-Del,
cargpb28
RazerX
preview teaser of it and it looked awesome to me. Granted I did not
see the whole movie, but it definitely left me wanting more. BTW,
they have an awesome promo set that they have built in the California
Adventure Park. Although the Flynn's arcade they have built there is
a kinda weak as it is light on games, but they do have one pin
(Whirlwind).
Rob
On Dec 16, 6:47 am, miracleman <psychospe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> A good friend who is a die-hard Tron fan saw it a couple days ago at a
> VIP screening and hated it.
> Said the eye candy was decent but he almost walked out of it a couple
> times because of the writing.
> Other advance reviews are saying the same thing.
>
Andrew Barney
> I know this will have no effect or whether TRON the pinball machine is
> good/fun to play, but could/would Stern and their new investors bail
> on making the game at this point, or is it too far in planning?
> I WANT to see a TRON pin, but just curious since it's 2 games away.
Stern is making a Tron pinball machine? hmmmm....
Andrew
Dr. Dave
TheKorn
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> Jack seen it and he likes it.
Jack really should get his name legally changed to Mikey. :)
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> BoJo <slap...@comcast.net> wrote in news:27eb498e-9ea1-4e5d-94a2-
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> > Jack seen it and he likes it.
>
> Jack really should get his name legally changed to Mikey. :)
>
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It isn't getting "poor" reviews. It's getting so-so reviews. I just
wonder if the eye candy can carry it since we now live in an age of
eye candy. If they wanted to be revolutionary like the original the
only thing they could have done would be to shoot it on film... in
black and white. :-)
ldnayman
>
> It isn't getting "poor" reviews. It's getting so-so reviews. I just
> wonder if the eye candy can carry it since we now live in an age of
> eye candy.
It can't. Eye candy can't compensate for a shit script that makes no
sense. Just like another Miracleman disappointment, the Speed Racer
movie.
I don't think this will be a titanic bomb of that magnitude, but it's
going to fall short of expectations, just another middle of the road
release forgotten weeks after its premier. Saw that coming a mile away.
Mark Clayton
wouldn't have made billions of dollars for a smurf movie
rehashing Dances with Pocahontas...
-Mark
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Rare Hero
> If eye candy couldn't compensate for a weak script, Avatar
> wouldn't have made billions of dollars for a smurf movie
> rehashing Dances with Pocahontas...
Say what you will about Avatar's cliches - it still has a "world" that
makes sense, likable/interesting characters, and elements people can
relate to. From the sounds of it - Tron has boring cardboard
characters who just exist for exposition, and a story that just makes
no sense at all.
Greg
Mark Clayton
the story is basically a point-by-point adaptation from pre-existing
literature and prior "hit" movies.
I'm not saying that Avatar and Tron Legacy are equal, but I'm saying
that both rely on "eye candy" to compensate for weaknesses in the story,
which include nonsense plots, lack of originality and wooden dialogue.
-Mark
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Jason
the arcade?
There's no doubt from reading this, and numerous threads on the
subject here, RGP'ers have a pre-existing dislike for the movie and
pin idea, before they've seen either.
MB
> wouldn't have made billions of dollars for a smurf movie
> rehashing Dances with Pocahontas...
>
> -Mark
>
> On 12/16/2010 7:36 PM, ldnayman wrote:
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> > On Dec 16, 4:30 pm, Jonny O<jonnyna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> It isn't getting "poor" reviews. It's getting so-so reviews. I just
> >> wonder if the eye candy can carry it since we now live in an age of
> >> eye candy.
>
> > It can't. Eye candy can't compensate for a shit script that makes no
> > sense. Just like another Miracleman disappointment, the Speed Racer
> > movie.
>
> > I don't think this will be a titanic bomb of that magnitude, but it's
> > going to fall short of expectations, just another middle of the road
> > release forgotten weeks after its premier. Saw that coming a mile away.
+1
Avatar was nothing BUT eye candy. The dialogue was embarrassing at
best.
Marc
ldnayman
> Why is everyone so eager for Tron Legacy to tank at the box office and
> the arcade?
>
I'm eager for the movie to tank for the same reason I was eager for
Speed Racer to tank - this garbage is making us all stupider, one
idiot at a time. If studios are punished for turning out this crap,
they might start backing more good movies.
I'm eager for the pinball machine to tank so Stern will stop latching
onto every cheesy "blockbuster" movie, and churning out cookie cutter
games with all the aesthetic charm of a movie poster.
Rare Hero
> the arcade?
I'm not eager for it to tank...I'm just looking at the reality of the
situation.
-Sequel to a movie that tanked in the 80's
-Most people don't remember or know of Tron (tracking on this movie
has been very poor)
-Reviews mostly say it's pretty but stupid (Same as the original...and
that tanked)
-Uber-geek movies do not translate to huge box office...see Scott
Pilgrim & Kick-Ass, also underperformed this year.
-$300 million-ish budget after marketing ...no WAY it'll make its
money back any time soon.
-Yogi Bear 3D is also opening this weekend, which will snatch the
family audience from Tron.
I hope everyone who's really looking forward to Tron enjoys it....but
all signs point to flop.
Greg
Lloyd Olson
Heck, it might turn out to be an enjoyable popcorn muncher. Sit back and
enjoy. LTG :)
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Jason
> On Dec 16, 6:27 pm, Jason <reactor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Why is everyone so eager for Tron Legacy to tank at the box office and
> > the arcade?
>
> I'm eager for the movie to tank for the same reason I was eager for
> Speed Racer to tank - this garbage is making us all stupider, one
> idiot at a time. If studios are punished for turning out this crap,
> they might start backing more good movies.
Yet you haven't seen it yet, have you?
>
> I'm eager for the pinball machine to tank so Stern will stop latching
> onto every cheesy "blockbuster" movie, and churning out cookie cutter
> games with all the aesthetic charm of a movie poster.
Yet you haven't seen or played one yet, have you? How would you know
if Tron is a "cookie-cutter" or what "aesthetic charm" it has or
doesn't? Because the movie that you haven't seen is "crap"?
Geez, guys. Maybe try giving things a chance before you crucify
it? There have been many movies I did not particularly like whose
themed pin was a lot of fun. .
Underspin
horrible script. I'm a big Tron fan, proudly own and play my "Tron"
machine but thought three things as I heard/saw them:
1. Joe Kosinski made a teaser for what could be a new Tron movie.
He's calling it TR2N. (FUCKING SWEET)
2. Daft Punk is scoring the new Tron movie (FUCKING SWEET)
3. Adam Horowitz and Edward Kitsis are writing the screenplay (SHIT.
THEY'LL DUMB IT DOWN TO THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR AND RUIN THE
ENTIRE THING....FUCK THEM)
I'll see the movie Saturday. IMAX 3D. I'm sure there will be enough
to keep me in the chair but I'll squirm the whole time because of the
screenplay and dialogue. You know Jeff Bridges saw the final cut,
tilted his head back, closed his eyes and thought "Oh, son of a
bitch. This is the worst fucking movie I've ever been a part of.
Worse than K-PAX"
skbrothers
Steve
ldnayman
> Yet you haven't seen it yet, have you?
>
Let's just say I have a hunch. Notice how the previews featured
virtually no dialogue?
>
>
> > I'm eager for the pinball machine to tank so Stern will stop latching
> > onto every cheesy "blockbuster" movie, and churning out cookie cutter
> > games with all the aesthetic charm of a movie poster.
>
> Yet you haven't seen or played one yet, have you? How would you know
> if Tron is a "cookie-cutter" or what "aesthetic charm" it has or
> doesn't? Because the movie that you haven't seen is "crap"?
>
This isn't "about Tron", it's "about Stern". Stern has a "proven
record" releasing movie-tie in games that are "unimaginative" and rely
too much on movie poster/publicity "photoshop jobs."
I have no reason to suspect this one will be any different.
And yes I'm making fun of your "overuse" of quotation marks.
ldnayman
You know Jeff Bridges saw the final cut,
> tilted his head back, closed his eyes and thought "Oh, son of a
> bitch. This is the worst fucking movie I've ever been a part of.
> Worse than K-PAX"
I'm sure he didn't think that at all. He probably thought "Holy
crap...I can't believe I'm being paid millions of dollars to do
another Tron movie." If you'd told him that 15 years ago he would have
erupted into laughter.
He's also probably thinking "this movie paid for my new guest house."
Bridges does movies like this and Iron Man to pay the bills, just like
most actors do. It's not going to reflect badly on him when it tanks.
Jason
I was quoting your words when I used quotation marks, and only then.
Your use of them is random and nonsensical, yet you are making fun of
me? ;)
I rather enjoy playing Iron Man, Spider-man and Avatar... even with
the " 'photoshop jobs.' "
Underspin
>
> - Show quoted text -
I'm not "the norm".
I'm not "camera friendly",
I don't "wear clothes that fit me",
I'm not a "heartbreaker",
I haven't had "sex with a woman",
I don't know "how that works",
I don't "fall in line",
I'm not "hygienic",
I don't "wipe properly",
I lack "style",
I don't have "self-esteem",
I have no "charisma",
I don't "own a toothbrush",
I don't "let my scabs heal",
I can't "reach all the parts of my body", when I sleep I sweat
profusely. But I guess the powers that be will keep signing my pay
check until Jack and Jane K. Viewer start to go for the remote so they
can get back to commentators who don't
"frighten children", who don't
"eat their own dandruff", who don't
"pop their whiteheads with a compass they used in high school".
metallik
> family audience from Tron.
>
> I hope everyone who's really looking forward to Tron enjoys it....but
> all signs point to flop.
You honestly think yogi bear and tron are competing for the same
audience? What parent is going to being young kids to see tron??
Even if tron was a kickass movie, it's not Disney, and it's not being
marketed as a family film.
Rare Hero
> You honestly think yogi bear and tron are competing for the same
> audience? What parent is going to being young kids to see tron??
> Even if tron was a kickass movie, it's not Disney, and it's not being
> marketed as a family film.
Tron is a Star-Wars-ish type of movie, rated PG...easily could grab
the family audience, and is being marketed as such on the Disney
Channel... Yogi Bear is definitely competition at the Box Office this
weekend. Two 3D PG movies.
Greg
Underspin
Seriously Nayman I think the screenplay of this was better:
http://www.break.com/break-originals/other-funny-stuff/tron-jeremy-1969596
CEllison
waited until I actually played Avatar to complain about it. I find
most movie reviews are from biased people so I promptly ignore the
reviews. Strange how I don;t feel the same about RGP pin reviews and
personal opinions expressed here.
I enjoyed Tron because it was mind blowing technology for its time. I
loved and still love the Tron arcade games. If Stern follows the
typical one ramp two flipper model I'll once again be very
disappointed and won't purchase either standard or LE model. I try to
stay some what positive but anymore I'm tired of the rehashed
playfield layouts and the over all lack of imagination that goes into
these games. I realize we are always reinventing the wheel but there
just has to be something more than what Stern has done with the last
3-4 games. This is what is to be considered as the new "norm" and I
don;t like it at all. I don't see Stern releasing an epic/top 10 pin
ever again.
The new norm really sucks.
Not trying to purposely offend any Stern lovers - solely just my
personal opinion as a non biased B/W and Stern pin owner.
goatdan
> VIP screening and hated it.
> Said the eye candy was decent but he almost walked out of it a couple
> times because of the writing.
> Other advance reviews are saying the same thing.
Some are, and some aren't. I actually just got back from a midnight
launch (about to head to bed, couldn't stay up tonight but I'm sitting
here typing... not smart) and from a friend who was a friend of mine
and enjoyed the first who saw a press screener...
The 3D sucks and isn't worth it.
The story is just as out there as the first -- you need to have some
knowledge of computers to make a lot of the jumps that the movie makes
between things and how those connections can lead to other stuff. If
you don't have that understanding, you won't get what is going on. If
you do and can think in an abstract way about how computers work, it's
a pretty solid showing.
Visuals are sometimes stupid, sometimes mind-blowing.
I can honestly say that I haven't wanted to see a movie as bad as I
want to see TRON: Legacy since the Dark Knight was released. I'm
hoping to go back Sunday to see it.
> I know this will have no effect or whether TRON the pinball machine is
> good/fun to play, but could/would Stern and their new investors bail
> on making the game at this point, or is it too far in planning?
> I WANT to see a TRON pin, but just curious since it's 2 games away.
I'm pretty certain that if there is a TRON pin, Stern is waiting for
Disney to officially greenlight TRON Legacy 2 and TRON Legacy 3, which
we'll know if they are greenlit in the next month or two, based on how
this movie does at the box office. If it's a hit and the rumors of
TRON are true, we'll see a TRON machine. If it's a dud, it'll be
rethemed to something better.
I'm pretty sure that if this rumor is correct, this is the *exact*
reason Stern isn't producing it next. Even Disney has no clue if TRON
is going to be a tentpole for them or fall on it's face like Prince of
Persia did. Disney wasn't expecting Tangled to do very well, and it's
holding it's own very strongly (and surpassed Harry Potter in week 2
of it's run). Disney isn't that good at calling them right now, and
they are in the middle on TRON.
The visuals however look absolutely mind melting...
pinghetto
next week. Might be a better avanue for Stern if the Disney one flops.
Sounds that this will be more of the target crowd Stern is aiming for
(adult). Its called "Tron Jeremy". Staring everyones favorite
hedgehog!! Think of the pinball possibilities. =)
skbrothers
review.
VISUALS are VERY cool and pretty much hold up to what the trailers
have promised in this department. Light cycles were great as were the
environments.
STORY is mediocre yet serviceable enough (just as the original was),
definitely nothing ground breaking
ACTING was just fine. I thought Sam, Quorra, and Bridges all played
their parts convincingly
MUSIC was Phenomenal and I applaud Daft Punk for their genius. Ebert
felt the same way stating there are parts where the visuals seem to
play to the music. BIG thumbs up!
SOUND also Phenomenal. I've never felt a subwoofer system work so
hard in an Imax theater than when a recognizer rolls onto the
screen....VERY COOL!
3D was so so and not quite up to Avatar levels I would say. Maybe it
was just used more sparingly. Still think this movie is a "Must see"
in Imax though, the visuals demand it.
Our midnite IMAX 3D showing was sold out and people that were turned
away opted for an additional midnite showing in a standard
theater....suckers ;-)
I'd give it a 3.5 to 4 out of 5 stars with the soundtrack earning 1.5
to 2 of those stars!
Will be taking my two sons to see this over the holiday break....and
I'm looking forward to seeing it a second time.
Steve
madtownmoxie
> On Dec 16, 6:54 am, SaBbRa CaDaBra <generalemailacco...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 16, 7:47 am, miracleman <psychospe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > A good friend who is a die-hard Tron fan saw it a couple days ago at a
> > > VIP screening and hated it.
> > > Said the eye candy was decent but he almost walked out of it a couple
> > > times because of the writing.
> > > Other advance reviews are saying the same thing.
>
> > > good/fun to play, but could/would Stern and their new investors bail
> > > on making the game at this point, or is it too far in planning?
> > > I WANT to see a TRON pin, but just curious since it's 2 games away.
>
> > with it.
> > Stern should incorporate that dork Tron fan who was all the rage
> > recently into the game.
> > Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3609OtM138c
>
> Doing a remake of Tron is like a cover band doing a Pink Floyd or Led
> Zepplin tune. If you don't get Gilmour's or Page's lead right, you're
> screwed. You don't mess with peoples' iconic movies unless you can
> really do homage. From the reviews I've read, the screenplay is just
> an attempt to milk money from a nostalgic demographic using well-worn
> formulas. Then again, that's basically Stern's business model, so I
> don't expect them to be concerned.
So only 49% of critics liked it but 83% of moviegoers liked it. On
this one I have to side with the moviegoers. As they will likely be
the geeky one (like us) and will most likely have a similar outlook.
I am not expecting Citizen Kane and know that going in. BUT I am not
expecting Ishtar either. 4 o'clock imax showing in 3D so time will
tell. If the movie bombs maybe Stern has a back up in their back
pocket.
Les Manley
>
> - Show quoted text -
From what I have read, many of the "haters"
of this film have no idea what they are actually even reviewing, in
fact, I would question whether or not some of them even saw the film.
I have
read so many reviews talking about how Flynn has been stuck in the
original Encom grid...that he created...since 1982. Strike 1, 2 and
3...you're out. You will enjoy it, don't worry.
madtownmoxie
Yep, of that I have no doubt!!
Bryan Kelly
work on this one.
Now that I think of it, Python looks a bit like a hedgehog
himself. ;-)
Bryan (CARGPB 14)
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/bspins
Jonny O
> Why is everyone so eager for Tron Legacy to tank at the box office and
> the arcade?
>
Because for some people the greatest, most fantastic feeling in the
world is summed up in these five words:
"See? I told you so."
Cliffy
> Tron was a shitty movie that no one remembers outside a
> very rabid mid-thirties/fourties/*fiftys* gamer geek fanbase.
>
> Greg
sonofa... that's me! well, short of the rabid anyway. Imho the first
movie wasn't poopy at all but I reserve judgment on T:L until I've
actually seen it.
--
Cliffy - CARGPB2
Home of the world's finest pinball protectors
http://www.passionforpinball.com
Rare Hero
> sonofa... that's me! well, short of the rabid anyway. Imho the first
> movie wasn't poopy at all but I reserve judgment on T:L until I've
> actually seen it.
Yeh, I'm gonna go see it to. :)
Greg
hAbO
movie released nearly 3 decades ago :)
'TRON: Legacy' makes novelty look cool
http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/12/17/tron.review/index.html?hpt=Sbin
Thanks,
Mike
www.HabosArcade.com
Rare Hero
cool...but BORING BORING BORING with zero character, 100% exposition
to explain away the nonsense that's happening. I really had to fight
my eyelids from closing and falling asleep. 3D wasn't very well done
either, which was surprising - I thought simple colors and start
images would make for a really nice 3D experience. Oh well...what's 2
hours out of my life....no biggie. ...I have to watch something non-
boring now to make up for it. :)
...so to bring it back to pinball. If the pinball looks and sounds
like the movie, it will be a very very cool game....just has to have a
good playfield/rules so it's not BORING like the movie. :)
Greg
barnhart_pinball
cc450f...@c17g2000prm.googlegroups.com:
Greg, you and I saw two different movies. My wife and I thoroughly
enjoyed it. Yeah, the 3D was quite the ripoff - it even had a disclaimer
that said most of the movie was in 2D.
The story was thin, but then again so was the original. I enjoyed it.
But, that's why Hollywood makes different movies.
If Stern would do a Tron pinball...do it with black lights (maybe during
multiball, regular lighting otherwise) with glo-balls. Put a ramp where
the balls would cross each other down the ramp (think of a helix - light
cycle ramp). Have the Master Control come out of the pf for hits. Gotta
have a Tron disc kickback (think War Machine).
Mitch :)
--
"That deaf dumb and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball"
Underspin
with "A" effects and music for a good solid "B" movie. Great for the
eyes and ears, bad for the brain.
Rare Hero
<barnhart_pinball@nospam_charter.net> wrote:
> Greg, you and I saw two different movies. My wife and I thoroughly
> enjoyed it. Yeah, the 3D was quite the ripoff - it even had a disclaimer
> that said most of the movie was in 2D.
>
> The story was thin, but then again so was the original. I enjoyed it.
> But, that's why Hollywood makes different movies.
No, I think we saw the same movie...as you said - 3D sucked, story was
thin. :)
The 3D was supposed to be like Wizard of Oz's Black&White to Color
transition. The real world was 2D and Tronland was 3D. It just
wasn't pushed to the extent I would have liked...I like "STUFF FLYING
IN MY FACE" 3D ....I wanted to see some of those discs flying out of
the screen and into my face! It was all too subtle.
Greg
barnhart_pinball
> thin. :)
>
> The 3D was supposed to be like Wizard of Oz's Black&White to Color
> transition. The real world was 2D and Tronland was 3D. It just
> wasn't pushed to the extent I would have liked...I like "STUFF FLYING
> IN MY FACE" 3D ....I wanted to see some of those discs flying out of
> the screen and into my face! It was all too subtle.
>
> Greg
>
flying discs...they missed some really good chances for 3D. Even some of
the 'derezzing' would have been awesome in 3D.
I was disappointed to see the tanks just milling about.
Even though the story was thin, it was cool to see an arcade again and
guess at the vids undercover. It even had my jukebox.
I did like the father/son interplay. That was really well done. "I'd give
this all up just for one more day with you"...strong sentiment.
mnpinball
like "STUFF FLYING
> IN MY FACE" 3D ....
>
Then you'd like a Ron Jeremy porno 3D flick ;-)
Xamindar
> The 3D was supposed to be like Wizard of Oz's Black&White to Color
> transition. The real world was 2D and Tronland was 3D. It just
> wasn't pushed to the extent I would have liked...
Who said it was supposed to be like that? Though, I did think that it
would be that way when I saw that disclaimer at the beginning. But was
surprised that it wasn't when I saw the 1989 house was in 3D but the
dialog in the next scene wasn't. It seems they were just lazy with the
3D and didn't want to spend the money to film the whole thing that way.
Shame they have gone to the trouble of adding disclaimers so people wont
get upset. I don't think I will bother seeing any more 3D movies.
chuck
.I like "STUFF FLYING
> IN MY FACE" 3D ....I wanted to see some of those discs flying out of
> the screen and into my face! It was all too subtle.
That's exactly what I enjoyed about the 3D in Tron. It wasn't cheesy
throw crap in your face for no good reason. You defend avatar and are
bored by Tron ;-)
MB
>
> That's exactly what I enjoyed about the 3D in Tron. It wasn't cheesy
> throw crap in your face for no good reason.
+1
Rare Hero
> That's exactly what I enjoyed about the 3D in Tron. It wasn't cheesy
> throw crap in your face for no good reason. You defend avatar and are
> bored by Tron ;-)
What is 3D other than shit floating in front of your face!? That's
the point! There are ways to do it well....usually the animated
movies do it best- Despicable Me, Cloudy w/ a Chance of Meatballs,
and How to Train Your Dragon had very nice 3D. ...and I'll defend
Avatar vs. Tron, cuz Avatar wasn't boring! ...and, it was a sci-fi
world that "worked" ...the rules made sense....and, it had a
"believability" factor in the sense that I could suspend disbelief
for the world and story presented. I can imagine a future where we go
to other planets and meet other humanoid life forms....it's hard for
me to care about what happens inside a computer. Honestly, I think
anyone digging Tron has major nostalgia for the original. I didn't
see the original until like 7 years ago....and I saw it for what it
was - a movie of it's time, that tried to do something visually
unique, but failed in its storytelling....and, it was BORING. :) I
respect Tron - it's one of those movie milestones and had a great
effect on people....but as a movie it's not that good....and this new
sequel brought nothing new to the table and without the nostalgia
attached to it, it's just kind of a shitty movie.
Greg
SaBbRa CaDaBra
> So far the reviews are fairly positive. Not bad for a sequel to a
> movie released nearly 3 decades ago :)
>
>
> Thanks,
> Mikewww.HabosArcade.com
you think Tron is cool and high tech??? You should check out Habo's
video game mash up with Van Halen on his website. It's awesome!
Kwisatz
, cuz Avatar wasn't boring! ...and, it was a sci-fi
> world that "worked" ...the rules made sense....and, it had a
> "believability" factor in the sense that I could suspend disbelief
> for the world and story presented. I can imagine a future where we go
> to other planets and meet other humanoid life forms....
Yeah, Floating mountains in the sky was real believable!
Steve
brokenvette
Just to add my 2 cents I saw the movie last night and I actually
enjoyed it. Yes the plot was thin and it could have been a LOT better
but I didnt want to leave. The 2 chicks in it were pretty easy on the
eyes. They could have left out that little faggy dweeb that stole
Flynns disk. I was thinking the whole time however that it has the
potential for a awesome pin if Stern has the mind to do it right.
Rare Hero
> Yeah, Floating mountains in the sky was real believable!
It was believable in the context of that world...and - it was
explained....gravitational vortex or some shit. ;) How about
explaining where Lebowski found a roasted pig in Tronland!? ...or why
they had to eat!? ;)
Anyway...if you liked the movie, glad for you. End of rant.
Greg
Rompen
Yea, if it weren't for the previews in 3D, I wouldn't have known the
movie was in 3D. There was virtually no discernible depth perception
in the movie (possibly due to the color palette - I felt like I was in
a vampire movie with all the drab colors).
The movie was entertaining and we watched the original movie before
going to see it, which I would recommend because the sequel does such
a poor job of character development, unless you remember who-did-what,
you miss a lot of things.
The biggest disappointment for me was how little the tron world had
changed from the original movie. With all this time and changes in
technology there were so many things they could have integrated into
the visuals and dialogue but instead, they just basically regenerated
the same old world with new CGI. A major opportunity to expose a new
generation to what was special about the original movie, and instead
they just milked the old theme.
dorschel
"TRON: Legacy' dominated the box office with an estimated $43.6
million, about $17 million more than the 1982 'TRON' earned during its
entire run. You'd think a sequel to a movie made nearly 30 years ago
and beloved only by a cult of fanboys would face an uphill climb at
the box office, but Disney deserves a lot of credit for expertly
marketing the sequel, making sure it had state-of-the-art special
effects, getting Jeff Bridges to return as the star (and to play
opposite a CGI version of his younger self), and getting it into as
many 3-D and IMAX theaters as possible."
The entire article can be found here:
http://blog.moviefone.com/2010/12/19/box-office-report-december-17-19/
appetite4pinball
Tron Guy liked it :)
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2010/12/tron-guy-reviews-tron-legacy/
I'm going to see it tonight. I'll post my findings tomorrow. I-Max
was sold out on Saturday, so I watched "The Fighter" instead which is
a great movie!
-Mike
Jonny O
not a flop. Predictably heavy on eye candy and style. The light
cycle scene was better in the first film.
The first film is basically a corporate espionage film and that's the
way they should have kept the second. Jeff Bridges has sort of gone
off to hollywood new age land these days and I wonder if he had a part
in the silly new age subplot that went practically nowhere (maybe they
have plans for it in follow up films).
Rare Hero
>The light cycle scene was better in the first film.
I was talking w/ a hardcore Tron fan about the light cycle sequence -
and we both agreed that there was something more intense and menacing
about how the cycles adhered to the grid and how they were forced to
take those hard right angles, causing the eventual losers to get boxed
in.
Greg
Mark Clayton
and the Buddhist influence in Tron Legacy:
http://www.whispy.com/blog/jeff-bridges-on-the-buddhist-influence-in-tron-legacy/
Bridges had his own personal "Zen teacher" on-set with him during
the filming. I remember when Sci-Fi was space ships and ray guns.
Now it's apparently Zen meditation and magic trees.
-Mark
-----
http://pinballpal.com
Jonny O
Yeah, the 90 degree turns are something only possible in the digital
realm, which is what made it cool and like being in a video game.
On a sidenote, Tron 2.0 is a first-person shooter style game for the
PC that's very solid. You can probably get it from the Bargain bin
for $10. The visuals are very faithful to the original film and it's
fun throwing the disc around.
brokenvette
How can they go any further with it? Didnt Flynn destroy himself and
the Tron world?
Jonny O
> Not so much New Age as Buddhism. Here's an article on Bridges
> and the Buddhist influence in Tron Legacy:
>
>
> Bridges had his own personal "Zen teacher" on-set with him during
> the filming. I remember when Sci-Fi was space ships and ray guns.
> Now it's apparently Zen meditation and magic trees.
>
> -Mark
>
> On 12/20/2010 1:23 PM, Jonny O wrote:
>
> > Saw it yesterday. It's not fantastic but it's not garbage. Certainly
> > not a flop. Predictably heavy on eye candy and style. The light
> > cycle scene was better in the first film.
>
> > The first film is basically a corporate espionage film and that's the
> > way they should have kept the second. Jeff Bridges has sort of gone
> > off to hollywood new age land these days and I wonder if he had a part
> > in the silly new age subplot that went practically nowhere (maybe they
> > have plans for it in follow up films).
It's the weakest aspect of the film. To pull off anything religious/
philosophical you need a really strong storyline and characters.
Stapling it onto an otherwise popcorn flick plot, bracketed by product
placement and Daft Punk, it makes Bridges' character look more like a
burnt out stoner than an aged seer.
Mark Clayton
-Mark
-----
http://pinballpal.com
Jonny O
The real master control program is Disney.
skbrothers
Lloyd Olson
movie and blown on warm buttery salty air to the audience. LTG :)
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CEllison
a new table for Tron. So help me I will cry like a little school girl
if Tron ends up being a reworked Avatar PF.
PLEASE oh PLEASE let it have two ramps and possibly a 3rd flipper. Let
the normal GI lights cut out, and a black light comes on and the balls
are glowing (heh glowing balls). Let the audio and translite be of the
same caliber as Avatar (see I said something nice). Let it have a
USEFUL toy like the crane in BDK or the hand/arm in Pinball Magic.
Please let stern announce if an LE is being made so I don't end up
like you poor folks that bought the non LE Avatar so I can save my
money and buy the awesomeness that Stern could bring back to the
pinball world.
Maybe I'm dreaming - but dreaming is free and pinball isn't. Cut me
some slack. I'm turning 40 this month and I can't remember the last
time I had a wet dream.
-=Chris=-
Mike D
less. This isn't Inception, but it isn't the Phantom Menace either.
Mike
mnpinball
> I just heard on the radio that there is another Tron film coming out
> next week. Might be a better avanue for Stern if the Disney one flops.
> Sounds that this will be more of the target crowd Stern is aiming for
> (adult). Its called "Tron Jeremy". Staring everyones favorite
> hedgehog!! Think of the pinball possibilities. =)
>
> Underspin wrote:
> > On Dec 16, 10:11 pm, ldnayman <ldnay...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > On Dec 16, 6:51 pm, Underspin <tcmay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > You know Jeff Bridges saw the final cut,
>
> > > > tilted his head back, closed his eyes and thought "Oh, son of a
> > > > bitch. This is the worst fucking movie I've ever been a part of.
> > > > Worse than K-PAX"
>
> > > I'm sure he didn't think that at all. He probably thought "Holy
> > > crap...I can't believe I'm being paid millions of dollars to do
> > > another Tron movie." If you'd told him that 15 years ago he would have
> > > erupted into laughter.
>
> > > He's also probably thinking "this movie paid for my new guest house."
> > > Bridges does movies like this and Iron Man to pay the bills, just like
> > > most actors do. It's not going to reflect badly on him when it tanks.
>
> > Seriously Nayman I think the screenplay of this was better:
> >http://www.break.com/break-originals/other-funny-stuff/tron-jeremy-19...
Here ya go !
Tron Jeremy
http://www.break.com/break-originals/other-funny-stuff/tron-jeremy-1969596
Rare Hero
> Good fun movie worth watching on the big screen, nothing more nothing
> less. This isn't Inception, but it isn't the Phantom Menace either.
Three boring movies in one post!!!! ;)
Greg
skbrothers
I'm Mr 100th post!
.....I win!
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