A-List games
vivala...@aol.com
read the posting from a very excited new Jurassic Park owner and soon
after his post the bashing and comparing A to B began... or as I like
to call it.. the conformist monkeys and their "I'm right, your wrong"
simple minded opinions.....Hey, new JP owner...GOOD FOR YOU ....and if
you call it an A-list game then damn it it's an A-list game
because after all it's yours now and you can call it whatever the
hell you want it's not about price or popularity it's about whether
or not YOU enjoy it Damn people step off the trail and make your
own tracks 2 words Slumdog Millionaire did you see it? Why the
hell not it's an A-List movie according to the followers so it must
be A-list to everyone right??? What I have noticed about the so
called A-list pins it's not about fun so much (isn't that what games
where meant for) it's about availability so you tell me something
that sold over 9000 units or something that sold 900 seems to me
the 9000 units where more popular so that must make it a higher
ranking pin then right? I say BFD...pick your favorites, build your
collection, grade them however the hell you want and then enjoy the
f*ck out of them I mean I enjoy Elvis more then I enjoy several "so
called" A-list pins and guess what I got it for alot less then many
of your over rated so called A-listers BIG DEAL (boy am I gonna hear
it about that one) Buy it, play it, enjoy it, sell it, burn it....it
doesn't really matter.....if you call it A-List then so be it...it's A-
List whether anyone else agrees with you or not....BTW JP Rocks
now everyone sit back, grab your Cheetos and lets watch all the
conformist A-Listers bash what I just said Have a nice day And
hey, JP guy if you ever go to sell it...let me know....I need another
A-List pin in my collection of lovable losers BTW conformist...I
also like NBA Fastbreak and South Park more than Funhouse and Star
Trek TNG whatcha think about that? and away we go
Rare Hero
demand.....although, at the same time - most of those "A-List" games
ARE fun, well designed, and of high quality. However, there are
cheaper games that are just as good. *shrug*
Every pin has something for someone. A game is meant to be played and
enjoyed, not to be a status symbol.
zr1...@sbcglobal.net
Dude, crystal meth will cause you to have a stroke so you should lay
off. I dont think anyone here will bash anyone elses game if you like
the game you have or bought play the crap out of it. There are ones I
like and ones I dont and if you ask me I would tell you if I like it
or not but even if I dont I would still drink a few and play it with
you if I had the chance. Take it from me, getting shitty and screaming
gets you nowhere here.
Have fun
Kenbo
btrip
The Gottlieb Volcano I picked up for $50 is probably my favorite game
in my tiny collection of 4 and it's probably considered a D-list
title. I enjoy it more than my JP, Paragon, and Seawitch.
TEXAS...@yahoo.com
Just because you "like" a game does not make it an "A list" game.
Is Danny Bonaducce an "A list" celebrity just because I find him
funny?
Is a Toyota the "Ultimate driving machine" just because they are
popular?
No, and the same applies to JP.
Balboarules
>
> - Show quoted text -
Um.. if you like a game, what does it matter what list it is on? As
long it is on your list... my name is Steve.. so my games are S list
titles... Seriously, who cares what list what game is on??
JediTurtle
Yea...that's how I've always though of it. I really don't think there
are that many "A-List" games out there.
MM
CC
CV
MB
BBB
TZ
TAF
LOTR maybe
That's probably about it that most seem to refer to as A's. Spiderman
is probably creeping up there now that the software is all good, but I
think some might argue that it is too new to tell.
Now does that mean that I think those are the best games, heck no. I
enjoy them, but most of them aren't in my personal favorites list.
Just like a lot of "A-list" celebrities aren't necessarily the best
actors/musicions, etc. They are just popular. Popular does not equal
great.
Psyco
Adam
Taxman
up. Does he decide what is A-List? Nope, but if he likes it that is
fine.
There are diferent websites that many people vote on games based on
Play, Price, Availability, Artwork, Sound . . . And Bally/Williams
game do very well based on input from a large population. Are list
toppers all Bally/Williams? Nope, LOTR has proven to be a great
game. Is it all based on Price? Nope, CC and BBB are two of the most
expensive games and they don't make the cut.
I have all different types of games from many companies. But the
majority of what I find I like have been from Bally/Williams. Well
made, good themes, fun play. Diner is one of my favorites, not an "A"
list and not even a DMD. But a great game that "I" like. But I know
it is not an "A" list game. Do I own the cookie cutter classics like
MM, AFM, MB... Yes I do. and I think they are great games. But LOTR
would be my desert island game.
The only thing worse then a person who plays and talks about Bally/
Williams being the "only" games is somone who picks on people who like
those game. Why are they not allowed to love MM just as much as you
love JP? There are just more people who think MM is better then JP.
And that is how things work their way up the list.
I don't care for STTNG or Funhouse either. But I am sorry, South Part
is a turd.
Dave "Taxman"
JediTurtle
Dammit...I forgot AFM should definately be on the A-list. Not that's
it's comprehensive by any means, but I knew I was missing something
glaringly obvious. :)
cody chunn
valuable. The other are games that the listmaker likes the most. So you have
to determine which list is being discussed. It is very obvious the JurrPark
thread was naming the game an A list on playability by the poster. BTW, I
also think JurrPark is an A game based on playability. So he was absolutely
correct in his statement (opinion) and anyone calling him out on it is
either obtuse (did not understand) or just a jerk (knew but called him out
anyway).
Now, (no offense intended in any way) JediTurtle gives a quick list of games
he considers A games, but does not qualify which list it is. The most
important aspect of pinballs to me (as the reader) is playability, so that's
how I view the list (and is purely subjective).
So on the following list, disregarding prices and based solely on
playability, my feelings are:
MM = A
CC = not A
CV = definitely not A, way down the list, like Q maybe.
MB = not A, I really like the theme and integration, but too repetitive
BBB = A
TZ = A
TAF = A, but maybe teetering on the brink of dropping a notch
LOTR maybe = A
So while an A list based on price can be pretty much hammered out based on
known exchange rates, a list based on playability (personal preference) is
entirely subjective and could contain any pinball machine ever built,
depending on taste of the listmaker.
That's all I have to say about that (until next month's "A list" post)
:0)
--
-cody
--CARGPB4
"JediTurtle" <jedit...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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JediTurtle
> First there are two opinions of what "A" means. One are games that are most
> valuable. The other are games that the listmaker likes the most. So you have
> to determine which list is being discussed. It is very obvious the JurrPark
> thread was naming the game an A list on playability by the poster. BTW, I
> also think JurrPark is an A game based on playability. So he was absolutely
> correct in his statement (opinion) and anyone calling him out on it is
> either obtuse (did not understand) or just a jerk (knew but called him out
> anyway).
>
> Now, (no offense intended in any way) JediTurtle gives a quick list of games
> he considers A games, but does not qualify which list it is. The most
> important aspect of pinballs to me (as the reader) is playability, so that's
> how I view the list (and is purely subjective).
>
> So on the following list, disregarding prices and based solely on
> playability, my feelings are:
>
> MM = A
> CC = not A
> CV = definitely not A, way down the list, like Q maybe.
> MB = not A, I really like the theme and integration, but too repetitive
> BBB = A
> TZ = A
> TAF = A, but maybe teetering on the brink of dropping a notch
> LOTR maybe = A
>
No offense taken. Also, this isn't MY personal A-List as I
mentioned. These just seem to be the titles that I see over and over
again refered to as A's. If I were making my own A-list, only two of
those would be on it, and one of those are on your Q list! :) That's
one of the cool things about this hobby...we all like different things
which is why we have the wonderful variety that we do. Gotta love it!
TheKorn
c99922...@v15g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
> I like F-List games
The games *you* like cause the paper they're written on to spontaneously
combust! :)
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TheKorn
@l16g2000yqo.googlegroups.com:
> whatcha think about that?
I think the best way to building a collection that you hate is by buying
what other people like.
seymour-shabow
> vivala...@aol.com wrote in news:32d6f730-2f98-4080-9c52-ecd3859a7e05
> @l16g2000yqo.googlegroups.com:
>
>> whatcha think about that?
>
> I think the best way to building a collection that you hate is by buying
> what other people like.
>
even played until I bought them (and fixed them up)
Never lived in a classic stern area once their distribution sunk....and
now I have quite a few of them ;)
-scott CARGPB#29
joh...@comcast.net
share of a majority vote and then a personal A list which ends up
being your favorite games.
IMHO, the biggest problem with the public A list is that I gravitate
to the games I've had the opportunity to play. Since I was sucked
into pinball in 2002, I've had very few opportunities to test drive
various games (in playable condition) and have ended up doing a great
deal of guessing on things I would like based on the public A list.
If I were to vote on the public A list I could only vote on the games
I've played. Since they are so expensive I gravitated to the A list
generally so that I wouldn't lose my shirt if I had to resell a game.
I've found I made a couple mistakes along the way. The first mistake
would be to set a game to 5 balls. I think it short-changed my
appreciation for really beating various aspects of the pin and made
the game times seem to long. I'm in the process of setting
everything to 3 ball play again.
The second is probably assuming that all of the games I had needed to
be super deep. Although it's still my first perogative to get a game
that will be deep in a HUO situation (for longevity), I've also found
it's fun to have some easier games around so that you always have a
chance to invest 10-15 minutes and get some pin gratification as
needed.
I've recently just traded two A list games for what most consider B
list (public list). It's still the honeymoon period, but I'm really
happy with the mix so far. I'm actually looking forward to
continuing to moving games around to shake things up and get the
opportunity to play as many as possible in the next 5 years.
Current personal favorites are CP and SS. I also recently received a
TOTAN and I really like that game as well. Not sure if they will
stay on my personal A list, but I'll let you know in 6-12 months.
thaiisl...@yahoo.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
If JP is such a great game and supposedly A list, why does it not even
crack the top 25 on either Pinside ( #73) or Treasure Cove's (#43)
list?
Randy
Les Manley
You are very outspoken and opinionated for someone who has only been
posting here for a few days...
freeman
> Trek TNG whatcha think about that? and away we go
I agree.
Here is my list my "A list" of Bly/WMS games --
http://home.comcast.net/~sfreeman196492mi/pinball_ratings.htm
Now, everyone should have their own darn list, and stay away from
mine, since that will drive the price up of the games I want. :-)
Taxman
for a MM or P2K yourself. You wanted to trade away you NBA, South
Park, WPT, WOF, HRC.
So you called others "conformist monkeys" after looking for an MM?
Looks like a case high-and-mighty envy.
Dude, you just lost all credability. Since you are new here why don't
you start fresh and make friends before you start calling others
names.
Dave "Taxman"
tban...@yahoo.com
Funny, I bumped into your list a few minutes ago when I was googling
pinball (unrelated to the A list topic). I liked your list, but was
confused by the table list at the top vs. the graph at the bottom.
They don't seem to match up, so I wasn't sure what your real "A" list
was. Out of curiousity, maybe you can clarify.
vivala...@aol.com
> vivalaste...@aol.com wrote in news:32d6f730-2f98-4080-9c52-ecd3859a7e05
Well said TheKorn Well said
vivala...@aol.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Why yes, yes I am VERY much so....I guess I never got the memo on how
long I was suppose to be just a spectator before I was entitled to
have my own opinion Thank You very much
cody chunn
those polls, or were simply outnumbered. I didn't participate in either
list, and place no stock in polls anyway (especially anonymous online
polls). Also, who decides where A stops? You at 25? Someone else at 10?
Still someone else at 5? Does it really make any difference?
I'm sure there are alleged A games on those lists that I wouldn't walk
across the room to play. Doesn't change the fact that they're not A games to
me. Did you miss the part about personal preference? Why does there have to
be a stone tablet engraved with A titles? So someone can own a status
symbol? Does your tummy have a star on it too?
--
-cody
--CARGPB4
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Mike Schudel
that it eventually settles into whatever catagory it should be in.
Lists are based on popular opinion and not everyone is going to agree. I
don't care what list is put together (movies, cars, places to live, kitchen
blenders, favorite nude beaches or pinball machines) I know I won't agree
with what was listed as 'A' list.
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"All Your Pinball Are Belong To Us"
Mike S.
Kalamazoo, MI
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Bryan Kelly
either like it or I don't. And if I own it and you want to say it's a
B list pin, fine. Makes no difference to me. I own the games I own
because I want to own them, not because they're on someone's list.
What I do have a problem with are those who are so vocal about how
much they hate a certain title, they get to the point where they
attack those who do like and own that certain title. And you know who
you are.
Hell, I can't stand TZ but I'm not going to bash someone else because
they like it.
Bryan (CARGPB 14)
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On Feb 23, 10:47 am, vivalaste...@aol.com wrote:
> I see that this A-List subject has been touched on before but I just
> read the posting from a very excited new Jurassic Park owner and soon
> after his post the bashing and comparing A to B began... or as I like
> to call it.. the conformist monkeys and their "I'm right, your wrong"
> simple minded opinions.....Hey, new JP owner...GOOD FOR YOU ....and if
> you call it an A-list game then damn it it's an A-list game
> because after all it's yours now and you can call it whatever the
> hell yo want it's not about price or popularity it's about whether
freeman
The top list is a course grading, using a scale of up to 25 points.
It is a quick and dirty ranking, using just two factors.
The bottom list has greater granularity (score max is 100), and looks
at four factors, with unequal weighting.
The second list has way too much information for most casual
discussions, but attempts to finely sort games I have owned, or spent
significant time on to discern the nuances.
From the combination of the two lists, I was able to determine which
games from Bly/WMS would be 'keepers', for me.
The purpose of the lists are to help with my selection process, to
reduce buyer's remorse.
I do have games from other manufactures that are not shown on the
page, but have the same factors/characteristics that I seek.
Again, the essence of the OP's message, and my ranking process, are
that each would do well to create their own personal lists of favorite
games.
Taxman
but 3 days ago he posted -
Looking for a MM any condidtion please send info on price and
condition to vivalaste...@aol.com include many pictures if you have
them
And I love how he says "grab your Cheetos and lets watch all the
conformist A-Listers bash what I just said"
But 2 weeks ago he was willing to trade a bunch of non-"A"-list games
to get one -
Looking for a pinball 2000 or Medievel Madness would prefer Star Wars
2000 but would consider RFM 2000 - I am open to other trades too -
what do you have - I have a WPT (Chrome) - WOF - High Roller Casino -
South Park - NBA Fastbreak - Real Slot machines (3 Reel type 1 Video)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.pinball/browse_frm/thread/fd83bf8c77c8f3a6?q=
I guess he could not get one so now he hates people who have them.
Welcome him to the Borg collective. He is now one of the "Bashers".
At least until he gets an MM then we can here him talk about how great
it is.
Dave "Taxman"
Les Manley
>
> - Show quoted text -
There isn't a memo, I have just never seen someone so new come out and
alienate so many people like you do with your posts. Normally they
introduce themselves or make post after post about their new game; ie
Visitor Q...I love MB too so nothing but love for ya, just an
example. But really, it has just been nothing been *extreme*
opinionated stuff from you in a very "in your face" kind of tone which
usually don't get much accomplished or much sympathy from people in
the group. You can do whatever you want, I was just making an
observation.
pinballarizona
> Yes, and this guy is a basher. He calls people "conformist monkeys"
> but 3 days ago he posted -
>
> Looking for a MM any condidtion please send info on price and
> condition to vivalaste...@aol.com include many pictures if you have
> them
>
>
> And I love how he says "grab your Cheetos and lets watch all the
> conformist A-Listers bash what I just said"
>
> But 2 weeks ago he was willing to trade a bunch of non-"A"-list games
> to get one -
>
> Looking for a pinball 2000 or Medievel Madness would prefer Star Wars
> 2000 but would consider RFM 2000 - I am open to other trades too -
> what do you have - I have a WPT (Chrome) - WOF - High Roller Casino -
> South Park - NBA Fastbreak - Real Slot machines (3 Reel type 1 Video)
>
>
> I guess he could not get one so now he hates people who have them.
> Welcome him to the Borg collective. He is now one of the "Bashers".
> At least until he gets an MM then we can here him talk about how great
> it is.
>
> Dave "Taxman"
I have an "A" bank of games--most prominently featured, anyway. It
contains an empty space where TAF used to be and where Teekee's NGG is
going, plus: Jolly Park, BBB, AFM, LoTR and CV. MM's going to have
to go somewhere.
vivala...@aol.com
> Yes, and this guy is a basher. �He calls people "conformist monkeys"
> but 3 days ago he posted -
>
> Looking for a MM any condidtion � please send info on price and
> condition to vivalaste...@aol.com �include many pictures if you have
> them
>
>
> And I love how he says "grab your Cheetos and lets watch all the
> conformist A-Listers bash what I just said"
>
> But 2 weeks ago he was willing to trade a bunch of non-"A"-list games
> to get one -
>
> Looking for a pinball 2000 or Medievel Madness would prefer Star Wars
> 2000 but would consider RFM 2000 - I am open to other trades too -
> what do you have - I have a WPT (Chrome) - WOF - High Roller Casino -
> South Park - NBA Fastbreak - Real Slot machines (3 Reel type 1 Video)
>
>
> I guess he could not get one so now he hates people who have them.
> Welcome him to the Borg collective. �He is now one of the "Bashers".
> At least until he gets an MM then we can here him talk about how great
> it is.
>
> Dave "Taxman"
Dave, Dave, Dave oh sorry, "Taxman" Hey Dave, it's Borg here, gee
buddy whos handing out the name calling now...if you would have read
my post and not have been so quick to go on the defensive you would
notice that it all started with the "bashers" bashing the guy that
just bought the JP Now I'm the big bad guy with an opinion (and a
smile on my face) listening to all the "bashers" come out of the
woodwork and try to justify their bashing (all while eatin
cheetos :) ).... ( my plot is working) as for my inquiry on certain
pins please don't try to confuse profit for conformist behavior. I
mean any fool with a so called A-List of games in hand can tell the
difference Take a look at my request MM, why would I want one of
those?....because it's a great game and it's FUN to play (IMHO and I
don't care what list it is on) but P2K, come on, we all know it
failed in most peoples eyes and most pinball junkies (conformist or
not) would say the same thing...they are boring pins and they get old
real quick...but yet I still wanted one (BTW...now I can scratch that
one off of my envy list)...and I've never seen a P2K on any A-list
whatsoever...so where is the high-and-mighty envy in that?....I had
soooo many offers from people who couldn't wait to dump the P2K's and
the MM's too (but because of the so called A-List thing they all want
crazy $$$ for them) trust me Dave it's not about envy and it damn
sure isn't about credibility in your eyes "Taxman" or anyone elses....
BTW, who's calling whom names? I just threw out the term "conformist
monkeys" and if that bothered anyone maybe they should take a look in
the mirror....Ya know a wise person once told me....if you yell out
"hey a**hole" and someone turns around...they are most likely an
a**hole" (I am still entitled to have an opinion last time I checked)
(and I already know I'm an a**hole...thanks) I'm just expressing my
opinion on some things I think and it seems to be working because
there sure are alot of people reading and replying to what I say so I
must be getting noticed ...You could always just choose not to read it
and just click away (don't like it...change the channel....oooorr
jump right in and get down and dirty just like your doing...thanks,
you rock dude)... Alot of people don't like what alot of so called
"outspoken and opinionated" people have to say....and alot of people
would shun them and not want anything to do with them (like making
friends) BUT, they would continue to listen to and read about and
express their own opinion on what those "outspoken and opinionated"
people had to say...Just like they seem to be doing about this
post...Soooo if I'm not mistaken these groups are for people to
discuss, talk about and yes even sometimes bitch about things that are
on their minds...EVEN PINBALL.....so my quick question would be...is
this an open forum?....or is it a cencored bunch of "conformist
monkeys" (see...theres that term again...did anyones ears perk up when
I said it?) So in closing I just want to say, thanks all for reading
today's rant, thanks for writing back (even with all the negative
things....does anyone actually smoke meth on this site??? LOL ) and a
HUGE thanks for expressing YOUR opinion....because where I come from
you are entitled to have one (no matter what it is) I love you
all...see you soon Oh yeah, Dave....read my post again and you'll
realize I never called anyone, anything.....I stated a name of a kind
of person....your either in it ....or your not.....thanks for the
offer but I have enough friends (did you just call me an asshole?)
BTW Dave ..impressive collection of A-Listers buddy WOW you must
be so proud...I sure wanna be you so I can talk about how great it
is you wanna impress me Dave? Smile....you look so angry in your
picture BTW your still reading my post...my evil plot is still
working Let me get my cup of tea and danish before I write the
next one about how peachy keen it all is gee golly....then maybe
everyone will like me...boo hoo (my day wouldn't be complete without
getting a rise out of at least one person) lets start another list
called how many people read your last post? followed by your reply
entitled how do I get this asshole off of this site Damn people,
settle down a little, don't take stuff so serious....Have a beer,
laugh (even at yourself) play some pinball for christ sake
Borg...Out
Signed: Steve "The outspoken-opinionated high and mighty envious to
your A-List asshole new guy"
Damn, I forgot where I was...I meant to say
Signed: Steve "TOOHAMETYAANG"
Big shout out to JP guy once again....watch out for the T-Rex he'll
snatch your balls
Taxman
final trigger? Showing your old posts?
By the way. You wite too much. If you have a point, get to it.
Got-cha ;-)
Dave "Taxman"
Taylor-VA
who cares about "A" list.
I would be happy with "A" paragraph.
How does anyone read that?
BTW, my A list....
AFM
TZ
SC
BSD
TAF
JD
Bryan Kelly
Bryan (CARGPB 14)
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> snatch your balls- Hide quoted text -
Taxman
>
Yes, punctuation is your pal.
He wanted o get a rise out of someone, and he did. He just did not
know it would be himself.
I think I will play a game of POTC tonight. It must be A-list, I own
one :-)
Dave "Taxman"
vivala...@aol.com
Grammer corrections, Really? what difference does it make when it
just gets all scrunched together anyway Dave, buddy, taxman... I
think it all gets lost in cyber translation because you guys think I'm
mad and yelling or pissed off when I write this stuff I'm actually
laughing and just having fun It's the people that actually take it
way too seriously enough to get pissed off that makes me laugh
It's real easy to know how to take what I write, if it bothers you to
the point of angering you then your obviously taking me and what I'm
writing waaaaayyyy to serious ya need another cold one it's your
ball tell Jack I said hi peace
vivala...@aol.com
> A little tact goes a long way....that and the use of paragraphs. �;-)
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
But you all still read the whole thing didn't you
Even without paragraphs
Bryan Kelly
a bit, skipped a lot......then said f' it.
Bryan (CARGPB 14)
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On Feb 23, 10:30 pm, vivalaste...@aol.com wrote:
>
> But you all still read the whole thing didn't you
>
> Even without paragraphs- Hide quoted text -
TheKorn
@v31g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
> what difference does it make when it
> just gets all scrunched together anyway Dave, buddy, taxman...
Well, *since* you asked... When you don't have white space (i.e.
paragraph breaks), writing sounds like that crazy guy at the train
station. You know, the guy you ignore every day until that *one* day
when your train is late...
...then you're bored and waiting for the train and almost involuntarily
listen to him. And he goes on and on about aliens, about how satellites
are giving him the TV schedule in his fillings, and the evils of
nutrasweet. That wouldn't be all bad, except he goes onto all three of
those topics in under ten seconds! So you say to yourself, "Man, that
guy is NUTS!" and back to happily ignoring him.
*That's* what writing without paragraph breaks reads like. (Since you
asked.)
To be truthful, I didn't read your whole message. I read the first
couple of lines, the last couple of lines, and found something in those
that I had a reply to. (Just FYI)
cody chunn
it was obnoxiously long, and didn't read any. Not likely to read any more
from that postname either.
--
-cody
--CARGPB4
"Bryan Kelly" <bske...@aol.com> wrote in message
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vivala...@aol.com
> vivalaste...@aol.com wrote in news:c4d85710-4480-45ca-b95b-daf8ca122286
Things I like best: So far I've heard meth user, Borg, outspoken,
opinionated, high and mighty, envious, plus a few others i'm sure and
now crazy train guy (funniest of all by far...you go Korn)
Just one question for the class today, if you think i'm all these
things (or just plain stupid and unworthy of my opinion as many of you
have stated) Then why even give me the time of day? Train must be late
huh (insert white space here)
Did you see the movie Pulp Fiction? Do you remember when Juels is
talking to the Flock of Seagulls guy on the couch and Marvin chimes
in ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOOo7tSDCUs (2:55 in) Crazy
train guy....stop it....my sides hurt
John Bigbooty
Personal - The games one sees as their favorites, generally having
little to do with price. One person may see Popeye as their favorite,
another AFM, another an EM. Nothing wrong with that.
Public - A ranking based primarily on supply & demand which generally
equates to price. I stand by my previous statement using $2500 for a
cut-off between A and B list games. Any game that has been available
for more than 24 months and sells for >= $2500 in decent condition on
the open market is probably thought of as an "A" list game by the
majority of the "pinball public". Maybe the exclusion period (24
months) is a bit short or the dollar amount ($2500) is a bit high but
the concept is solid.
Now that I've typed that, I think it needs an adjustment. The supply
side of the equation has little or nothing to do with the rating.
Games that are extremely rare aren't necessarily public "A" list
titles. But titles with high demand always are.
I hearby revise my calculation to exclude titles with production
numbers less than 500.
Mark
Atlanta GA
Bryan Kelly
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On Feb 24, 7:03 am, TheKorn <TheK...@TheKorn.Net> wrote:
>
TheKorn
@t11g2000yqg.googlegroups.com:
> Things I like best: So far I've heard meth user, Borg, outspoken,
> opinionated, high and mighty, envious, plus a few others i'm sure and
> now crazy train guy (funniest of all by far...you go Korn)
Hey, if nothing else, made you laugh! :)
> Just one question for the class today, if you think i'm all these
> things (or just plain stupid and unworthy of my opinion as many of you
> have stated) Then why even give me the time of day? Train must be late
> huh (insert white space here)
Well, because I wasn't saying it to be mean or to dog you out. (i.e. I
don't *really* think you're crazy, that writing style just *reminds* me
of a crazy guy.) Rather, I was saying it just to give you some
perspective on how you come across when using that writing style. (And
hey, you *did* ask!)
> Did you see the movie Pulp Fiction? Do you remember when Juels is
> talking to the Flock of Seagulls guy on the couch and Marvin chimes
> in ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOOo7tSDCUs (2:55 in) Crazy
> train guy....stop it....my sides hurt
One of my favorite movies, but I don't really see the comparison here.
vivala...@aol.com
> That's no train guy, Korn, that's my sister in law.....seriously.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
See Bryan & Korn, that's what I'm talking about.....that was good (the
sister in law comment) Laugh and joke....have fun with it I'm really
not trying to piss anyone off I'm just playin' And you guys are
right about a lot of the things I've said...and I'm lovin it that your
pointing it out laughing at myself for being an ass more
people should try it out and as for my grammer and
punctuation...I'll be the first to admit it sucks (you should see my
handwriting skills) that's why I got into pinball LOL
Bryan Kelly
wrong, you're OK in my book.
You do have to admit, that tirade of yours was a bit difficult to
read. :-)
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On Feb 24, 9:42 am, vivalaste...@aol.com wrote:
>
> See Bryan & Korn, that's what I'm talking about.....that was good (the
> sister in law comment) Laugh and joke....have fun with it I'm really
> not trying to piss anyone off I'm just playin' And you guys are
> right about a lot of the things I've said...and I'm lovin it that your
> pointing it out laughing at myself for being an ass more
> people should try it out and as for my grammer and
> punctuation...I'll be the first to admit it sucks (you should see my
> handwriting skills) that's why I got into pinball LOL- Hide quoted text -
Mr. 68
Yeah, Google Bryan Kelly’s faults and you’ll see why he says that.
What the hell, Google my mistakes and make a giggle festival out of it
=)
Kim - CARGPB #36
www.WrongCrowdProductions.com
On Feb 24, 9:09 am, Bryan Kelly <bskel...@aol.com> wrote:
> As long as you can publicly admit your faults or publicly admit you're
> wrong, you're OK in my book.
>
> You do have to admit, that tirade of yours was a bit difficult to
> read. :-)
>
> Bryan (CARGPB 14)http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/bspins
> Home of the EXECUTIVE Pin Footie http://www.pinfooties.com
>
> On Feb 24, 9:42 am, vivalaste...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > See Bryan & Korn, that's what I'm talking about.....that was good (the
> > sister in law comment) Laugh and joke....have fun with it I'm really
> > not trying to piss anyone off I'm just playin' And you guys are
> > right about a lot of the things I've said...and I'm lovin it that your
> > pointing it out laughing at myself for being an ass more
> > people should try it out and as for my grammer and
> > punctuation...I'll be the first to admit it sucks (you should see my
> > handwriting skills) that's why I got into pinball LOL- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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Taxman
> I heard that, AH!!!!
I don't know Bryan. I understand you being tired of "YB", but the
"AH" is just not the same. AH seems mean and YB seems, well, South
Park.
"Plonk" ;-)
Dave "Taxman"
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TheKorn
934c-5c2...@l38g2000vba.googlegroups.com:
> I don't know Bryan. I understand you being tired of "YB", but the
> "AH" is just not the same. AH seems mean and YB seems, well, South
> Park.
You mean Bryan has been yelling out YetterBen all this time!??
Taxman
>
Darn-it, you, you, you - YetterBen!
(Thanks Korn, that will show him)
Dave "Taxman"
derrikd
never played looked nice but that is about it. lots of people want the
game and more power to them, but i like my JM, i play that one an
shadow more than anything. My buddy likes my BSM, ,my TZ and IJ gets
played little. my JP and RMF are in the middle. are all these "A"
games no, but to me they are... so each is own.
vivala...@aol.com
> As long as you can publicly admit your faults or publicly admit you're
> wrong, you're OK in my book.
>
> You do have to admit, that tirade of yours was a bit difficult to
> read. �:-)
>
> Home of the EXECUTIVE Pin Footie �http://www.pinfooties.com
>
> On Feb 24, 9:42�am, vivalaste...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > See Bryan & Korn, that's what I'm talking about.....that was good (the
> > sister in law comment) Laugh and joke....have fun with it � I'm really
> > not trying to piss anyone off � �I'm just playin' � �And you guys are
> > right about a lot of the things I've said...and I'm lovin it that your
> > pointing it out � � �laughing at myself for being an ass � �more
> > people should try it out � �and as for my grammer and
> > punctuation...I'll be the first to admit it sucks (you should see my
> > handwriting skills) � that's why I got into pinball LOL- Hide quoted text -
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
One big giant mess of words wasn't it? I will say this Bryan...if
there is envy to be had, your game room has mine not about the
gamelist so to say (not that there is anything wrong with it at all)
just the grandness of the size and # of toys (I think I need a bigger
basement)
Larry Scott
> contains an empty space where TAF used to be and where Teekee's NGG is
> going, plus: Jolly Park, BBB, AFM, LoTR and CV. MM's going to have
Jolly Park isn't an A-list game ;)
Seriously, as neat and original as it is, gameplay is repetitive, and
the software has serious issues. I'd still wouldn't mind owning one
at some point, but this is another example of the honeymoon wearing
off. There's a reason I only played it once last Expo - there isn't
much to it once you've seen all the tricks, and scoring strategy is
simply raping the Jackpot target (start the magnet-house MB for more
balls to rape said target).
Still love the music though, and I'm sure some folks like the
nipp^h^h^h^htranslite :) Is the spinball fighter-plane game you got
at Expo any better than JP? Any leads on a Verne's World? You know
you gotta complete the set...
Larry Scott
>
> Even without paragraphs
Nope. Skimmed it, recognized it as incoherent rambling, and moved
on. If you make stuff hard to read, people won't read it. Plenty of
other posts to read instead.
pinballarizona
Sold off the Mach 2. Gameplay lacked a coherent objective. I still
love my Jolly Park. She's just so....so...well, pretty. And I love
the gameplay, even if the software's not up to WPC standards. Maybe
it'll go into another room, to be replaced by my MM when Karl's done
with it.
Rick
> Obviously the conclusion is that the people who think it is didn't vote in
> those polls, or were simply outnumbered. I didn't participate in either
> list, and place no stock in polls anyway (especially anonymous online
> polls). Also, who decides where A stops? You at 25? Someone else at 10?
> Still someone else at 5? Does it really make any difference?
>
> I'm sure there are alleged A games on those lists that I wouldn't walk
> across the room to play. Doesn't change the fact that they're not A games to
> me. Did you miss the part about personal preference? Why does there have to
> be a stone tablet engraved with A titles? So someone can own a status
> symbol? Does your tummy have a star on it too?
>
> --
> -cody
> --CARGPB4
>
> <thaiisland2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8eb25af1-0461-4af2...@t3g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 23, 9:57 am, JediTurtle <jeditur...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 23, 11:38 am, "cody chunn" <cchu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > First there are two opinions of what "A" means. One are games that are
> > > most
> > > valuable. The other are games that the listmaker likes the most. So you
> > > have
> > > to determine which list is being discussed. It is very obvious the
> > > JurrPark
> > > thread was naming the game an A list on playability by the poster. BTW,
> > > I
> > > also think JurrPark is an A game based on playability. So he was
> > > absolutely
> > > correct in his statement (opinion) and anyone calling him out on it is
> > > either obtuse (did not understand) or just a jerk (knew but called him
> > > out
> > > anyway).
>
> > > Now, (no offense intended in any way) JediTurtle gives a quick list of
> > > games
> > > he considers A games, but does not qualify which list it is. The most
> > > important aspect of pinballs to me (as the reader) is playability, so
> > > that's
> > > how I view the list (and is purely subjective).
>
> > > So on the following list, disregarding prices and based solely on
> > > playability, my feelings are:
>
> > > MM = A
> > > CC = not A
> > > CV = definitely not A, way down the list, like Q maybe.
> > > MB = not A, I really like the theme and integration, but too repetitive
> > > BBB = A
> > > TZ = A
> > > TAF = A, but maybe teetering on the brink of dropping a notch
> > > LOTR maybe = A
>
> > No offense taken. Also, this isn't MY personal A-List as I
> > mentioned. These just seem to be the titles that I see over and over
> > again refered to as A's. If I were making my own A-list, only two of
> > those would be on it, and one of those are on your Q list! :) That's
> > one of the cool things about this hobby...we all like different things
> > which is why we have the wonderful variety that we do. Gotta love it!-
> > Hide quoted text -
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> > - Show quoted text -
>
> crack the top 25 on either Pinside ( #73) or Treasure Cove's (#43)
> list?
> Randy- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Dont' know.List?
Whirlwind is an alleged "b" title.
I guess I love e'm all.
Feel The Power.,
\
Rick
Larry Scott
Aw, that sucks. I kinda hoped it had the charm that JP did. Hell,
you shoulda kept it for parts for JP :)
> love my Jolly Park. She's just so....so...well, pretty. And I love
> the gameplay, even if the software's not up to WPC standards. Maybe
> it'll go into another room, to be replaced by my MM when Karl's done
> with it.
Yeah JP has a great atmosphere and is truly unique. I wouldn't kick
one out, but for the money they command these days, I sure won't be
seeking one out either. Maybe everyone will get bored of theirs and I
can grab one cheap sometime down the road.
RestoringIJ
> Is Danny Bonaducce an "A list" celebrity just because I find him
> funny?
You seriously find him funny?