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Duncan Brown
Jan 5, 2016, 8:00:22 AM1/5/16
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Everyone calls the connectors in EM games "Jones Plugs" but I don't
think that's the correct name. Howard B. Jones was a connector and
terminal strip manufacturer in Chicago, so it seems plausible that they
would be the source for the connectors used so ubiquitously by the
largely Chicago-based coin-op amusement industry...but I can find no
evidence of that being the case. And "Jones Plugs" is the correct term
used for another kind of connector entirely, one that is still being
made to this day by Cinch, who bought out Jones in the 1940s or so.
http://www.cinch.com/products/misc-commercial/jones-plugs-sockets/
I have several Jones and Cinch/Jones connector catalogs, including one
from 1946, and nowhere do they show the kind of connectors we're
familiar with as a standard product. But it must have been somebody's
standard product, or it wouldn't have shown up in absolutely every
single game ever made. Obviously as time went on, coin-op manufacturers
got this style of connector custom made by all manner of connector
manufacturers, but it must have started somewhere, and I have not yet
figured out which company that is. (I liken it to electrical line cord
plugs or RCA audio plugs - at some point they just started getting made
and used by everyone, and their original manufacturer was no longer
important.)
We may never figure it out, but I think it's pretty clear that Jones
Plug is the wrong name - they aren't what is commonly referred to as a
Jones Plug, and they weren't, as near as I can tell, created by Howard B
Jones, so there is simply no justification for that name.
Duncan, playing etymology-Nazi for the day
think that's the correct name. Howard B. Jones was a connector and
terminal strip manufacturer in Chicago, so it seems plausible that they
would be the source for the connectors used so ubiquitously by the
largely Chicago-based coin-op amusement industry...but I can find no
evidence of that being the case. And "Jones Plugs" is the correct term
used for another kind of connector entirely, one that is still being
made to this day by Cinch, who bought out Jones in the 1940s or so.
http://www.cinch.com/products/misc-commercial/jones-plugs-sockets/
I have several Jones and Cinch/Jones connector catalogs, including one
from 1946, and nowhere do they show the kind of connectors we're
familiar with as a standard product. But it must have been somebody's
standard product, or it wouldn't have shown up in absolutely every
single game ever made. Obviously as time went on, coin-op manufacturers
got this style of connector custom made by all manner of connector
manufacturers, but it must have started somewhere, and I have not yet
figured out which company that is. (I liken it to electrical line cord
plugs or RCA audio plugs - at some point they just started getting made
and used by everyone, and their original manufacturer was no longer
important.)
We may never figure it out, but I think it's pretty clear that Jones
Plug is the wrong name - they aren't what is commonly referred to as a
Jones Plug, and they weren't, as near as I can tell, created by Howard B
Jones, so there is simply no justification for that name.
Duncan, playing etymology-Nazi for the day
whytat...@gmail.com
Jan 5, 2016, 8:14:36 AM1/5/16
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Joseph 'Tony' Dziedzic
Jan 5, 2016, 9:13:37 AM1/5/16
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I appreciate the use of proper terminology, Duncan, so thanks for the note. Now I'm curious who the heck made those connectors...I wonder if Cutler-Hammer might be a possibility, as they've been around for a long time and made some oddball connectors.
While we're on the subject of terminology, maybe someone could convince people that the reproduction vinyl artwork for pinball cabinets is *not* a "decal". Nah, probably less chance of that!
Joseph "Tony" Dziedzic
On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 8:00:22 AM UTC-5, Duncan Brown wrote:
While we're on the subject of terminology, maybe someone could convince people that the reproduction vinyl artwork for pinball cabinets is *not* a "decal". Nah, probably less chance of that!
Joseph "Tony" Dziedzic
On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 8:00:22 AM UTC-5, Duncan Brown wrote:
Kerry Imming
Jan 5, 2016, 9:21:03 AM1/5/16
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I'm curious about this also. The Cinch connectors are loosely similar
to the pinball "Jones plugs", so I always assumed that was the
connection. I'll have to check my Gottlieb manuals and see if they use
that name.
- Kerry
P.S. While we're nit-picking (sorry Jon), it's "moot" point.
http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/mute.html
On 1/5/2016 7:14 AM, whytat...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 8:00:22 AM UTC-5, Duncan Brown wrote:
>> Everyone calls the connectors in EM games "Jones Plugs" but I don't
>> think that's the correct name. Howard B. Jones was a connector and
>> terminal strip manufacturer in Chicago, so it seems plausible that they
>> would be the source for the connectors used so ubiquitously by the
>> largely Chicago-based coin-op amusement industry...but I can find no
>> evidence of that being the case. And "Jones Plugs" is the correct term
>> used for another kind of connector entirely, one that is still being
>> made to this day by Cinch, who bought out Jones in the 1940s or so.
>>
>
to the pinball "Jones plugs", so I always assumed that was the
connection. I'll have to check my Gottlieb manuals and see if they use
that name.
- Kerry
P.S. While we're nit-picking (sorry Jon), it's "moot" point.
http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/mute.html
On 1/5/2016 7:14 AM, whytat...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 8:00:22 AM UTC-5, Duncan Brown wrote:
>> Everyone calls the connectors in EM games "Jones Plugs" but I don't
>> think that's the correct name. Howard B. Jones was a connector and
>> terminal strip manufacturer in Chicago, so it seems plausible that they
>> would be the source for the connectors used so ubiquitously by the
>> largely Chicago-based coin-op amusement industry...but I can find no
>> evidence of that being the case. And "Jones Plugs" is the correct term
>> used for another kind of connector entirely, one that is still being
>> made to this day by Cinch, who bought out Jones in the 1940s or so.
>>
>
Duncan Brown
Jan 5, 2016, 9:27:47 AM1/5/16
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I believe the "decal" argument was lost long ago - same with "motor"
when talking about car engines!
I have some loose 1970's connectors with a capital "P" inside a circle
stamped on the side of the legs on the socket part... but that's the
only markings I've seen on any of these. And that was decades after
everyone was using them and getting them made by whoever, so that's not
really a clue to their origin. We need to go back to the 1930s, or
whenever these connectors first started showing up as games got
electricity, and see if any of those have manufacturer's markings.
In my 1946 Jones catalog, they have several pages of photographs of
random connectors and terminal strips as examples of what they can
custom-make for you to your specs. There is one picture that is clearly
a 14-pin male plug of this variety, complete with the notches on the
long end of the waferboard, where the harness gets tied for strain
relief. So, as a connector company that had waferboard punching and
metal forming equipment, they did get hired to make these connectors at
least once... but it wasn't "their" product. They were just making a
part to someone's specs.
I also find it odd that nowhere in all of my old parts catalogs (Bally,
Williams, Genco, United) do they list replacement connectors, and thus
give them a name. I figure it's like line cords - they don't list those
because they aren't unique to their games, you can just get them down at
your local electrical parts shop.
The answer is out there somewhere...
It might also be interesting to figure out where the mis-naming came
from. Why did people start incorrectly calling them Jones Plugs?
Normally I'd blame Clay, just because everything is always Clay's fault,
but his EM repair guide does not call them by that name, so I guess
we'll have to look elsewhere this time!
Duncan
when talking about car engines!
I have some loose 1970's connectors with a capital "P" inside a circle
stamped on the side of the legs on the socket part... but that's the
only markings I've seen on any of these. And that was decades after
everyone was using them and getting them made by whoever, so that's not
really a clue to their origin. We need to go back to the 1930s, or
whenever these connectors first started showing up as games got
electricity, and see if any of those have manufacturer's markings.
In my 1946 Jones catalog, they have several pages of photographs of
random connectors and terminal strips as examples of what they can
custom-make for you to your specs. There is one picture that is clearly
a 14-pin male plug of this variety, complete with the notches on the
long end of the waferboard, where the harness gets tied for strain
relief. So, as a connector company that had waferboard punching and
metal forming equipment, they did get hired to make these connectors at
least once... but it wasn't "their" product. They were just making a
part to someone's specs.
I also find it odd that nowhere in all of my old parts catalogs (Bally,
Williams, Genco, United) do they list replacement connectors, and thus
give them a name. I figure it's like line cords - they don't list those
because they aren't unique to their games, you can just get them down at
your local electrical parts shop.
The answer is out there somewhere...
It might also be interesting to figure out where the mis-naming came
from. Why did people start incorrectly calling them Jones Plugs?
Normally I'd blame Clay, just because everything is always Clay's fault,
but his EM repair guide does not call them by that name, so I guess
we'll have to look elsewhere this time!
Duncan
Scott Lurndal
Jan 5, 2016, 9:34:20 AM1/5/16
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[...]
the other hand....
>> We may never figure it out, but I think it's pretty clear that Jones
>> Plug is the wrong name - they aren't what is commonly referred to as a
>> Jones Plug, and they weren't, as near as I can tell, created by Howard B
>> Jones, so there is simply no justification for that name.
>>
>> Duncan, playing etymology-Nazi for the day
>
>What you say may be true but at this time I think it is a mute point as you're not going to get everyone to start calling them something else
If it is a mute point, you'll never hear about it. If it is a moot point on
>> Plug is the wrong name - they aren't what is commonly referred to as a
>> Jones Plug, and they weren't, as near as I can tell, created by Howard B
>> Jones, so there is simply no justification for that name.
>>
>> Duncan, playing etymology-Nazi for the day
>
>What you say may be true but at this time I think it is a mute point as you're not going to get everyone to start calling them something else
the other hand....
seymour.shabow
Jan 5, 2016, 9:44:30 AM1/5/16
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Duncan Brown wrote:
> We may never figure it out, but I think it's pretty clear that Jones
> Plug is the wrong name - they aren't what is commonly referred to as a
> Jones Plug, and they weren't, as near as I can tell, created by Howard B
> Jones, so there is simply no justification for that name.
probably some kind of tax dodge.
> We may never figure it out, but I think it's pretty clear that Jones
> Plug is the wrong name - they aren't what is commonly referred to as a
> Jones Plug, and they weren't, as near as I can tell, created by Howard B
> Jones, so there is simply no justification for that name.
Duncan Brown
Jan 5, 2016, 9:45:06 AM1/5/16
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OK with a little digging I found that Steve Kordek also had a 1970
Gottlieb parts manual. Wow, that thing is thorough!! In addition to
all the pictures, they have a price list with absolutely every last
thing listed, in the back. As near as I can tell skimming through it,
no mention of connectors anywhere...
The mystery deepens...
Duncan
Gottlieb parts manual. Wow, that thing is thorough!! In addition to
all the pictures, they have a price list with absolutely every last
thing listed, in the back. As near as I can tell skimming through it,
no mention of connectors anywhere...
The mystery deepens...
Duncan
Lee
Jan 5, 2016, 9:52:08 AM1/5/16
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> >
Since I had it out for another task, I just flipped though all the pages of the 1968 Gottlieb Parts Catalog, Volume J. I did not find any reference to, or even a diagram of, the plugs that are under discussion.
Lee
Since I had it out for another task, I just flipped though all the pages of the 1968 Gottlieb Parts Catalog, Volume J. I did not find any reference to, or even a diagram of, the plugs that are under discussion.
Lee
seanspin...@gmail.com
Jan 5, 2016, 9:54:08 AM1/5/16
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Have you called Steve Young? He has the original BOM for the GTB games, and maybe it's listed there?
Sean
DirtFlipper
Jan 5, 2016, 10:35:01 AM1/5/16
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Duncan Brown
Jan 5, 2016, 10:38:30 AM1/5/16
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materials, but if he invented that style, why was it completely gone
from his standard products by 1946, while his other ones live on to this
day? Can you point to a patent that shows anything like the style of
connector used on pins? I'd take that as hard proof of justification
for the name "Jones Plug"
Duncan
DirtFlipper
Jan 5, 2016, 10:49:13 AM1/5/16
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You might try contacting his grandson though - he states having lots of old catalogs:
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/geekslutz-forum/673980-cinch-jones-connector-whats-deal.html
kah...@yahoo.com
Jan 5, 2016, 11:10:14 AM1/5/16
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https://www.gearslutz.com/board/geekslutz-forum/673980-cinch-jones-connector-whats-deal.html
same person provides some relative input here too...may help in tracking him down:
http://blog.modernmechanix.com/hoot-nanny-traces-million-designs-by-turn-of-crank/
kah...@yahoo.com
Jan 5, 2016, 11:42:43 AM1/5/16
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http://www.suncommercial.com/obituaries/article_906bf71c-e061-11e3-8974-0019bb2963f4.html
DirtFlipper
Jan 5, 2016, 11:45:20 AM1/5/16
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http://www.google.com.sv/patents/US2429810
where Gottlieb apparently went with their own. But there are many earlier examples in the 1930s of this style of multiple terminal connector.
Duncan Brown
Jan 5, 2016, 11:56:40 AM1/5/16
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finds an earlier reference ;-) Interesting to note that Cinch
references this patent in a later patent they filed in 1949!
Duncan
Ken Layton
Jan 5, 2016, 12:51:01 PM1/5/16
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Steve B.
Jan 5, 2016, 12:53:57 PM1/5/16
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I don't know if the Jones Co. produced these connectors. However, HB Jones filed quite a number of patents for a variety of electrical connectors in the 1920's and 1930's and appears to have been a major supplier of electrical connectors and plugs. It is quite possible that the term Jones plug was adopted much the same way as Kleenex and Bandaid came into the common vocabulary beyond their branded products to represent similar products made by other companies. That's my theory and I am sticking with it until a better explanation is offered.
Steve
Steve
Duncan Brown
Jan 5, 2016, 1:08:16 PM1/5/16
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connector design. Like "RCA connectors" has become a generic term for
those audio plugs and sockets no matter who makes them, BUT they were
originally made by RCA.
Duncan
DirtFlipper
Jan 5, 2016, 2:26:38 PM1/5/16
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DirtFlipper
Jan 5, 2016, 2:32:27 PM1/5/16
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http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=1833&picno=65367
So it likely would be something from the industry dating to at least that old.
John Robertson
Jan 5, 2016, 2:34:45 PM1/5/16
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On 01/05/2016 6:45 AM, Duncan Brown wrote:
> OK with a little digging I found that Steve Kordek also had a 1970
> Gottlieb parts manual. Wow, that thing is thorough!! In addition to
> all the pictures, they have a price list with absolutely every last
> thing listed, in the back. As near as I can tell skimming through it,
> no mention of connectors anywhere...
>
> The mystery deepens...
>
> Duncan
I have Gottlieb parts manuals back to the mid 60s and also WICO
> OK with a little digging I found that Steve Kordek also had a 1970
> Gottlieb parts manual. Wow, that thing is thorough!! In addition to
> all the pictures, they have a price list with absolutely every last
> thing listed, in the back. As near as I can tell skimming through it,
> no mention of connectors anywhere...
>
> The mystery deepens...
>
> Duncan
catalogues back to 1959 - those connectors do not appear to be shown in
any of them!
John :-#)#
>
> On 1/5/2016 8:20 AM, Kerry Imming wrote:
>> I'm curious about this also. The Cinch connectors are loosely similar
>> to the pinball "Jones plugs", so I always assumed that was the
>> connection. I'll have to check my Gottlieb manuals and see if they use
>> that name.
>>
>> - Kerry
>>
>> P.S. While we're nit-picking (sorry Jon), it's "moot" point.
>> http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/mute.html
>>
>>
>> On 1/5/2016 7:14 AM, whytat...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 8:00:22 AM UTC-5, Duncan Brown wrote:
>>>> Everyone calls the connectors in EM games "Jones Plugs" but I don't
>>>> think that's the correct name. Howard B. Jones was a connector and
>>>> terminal strip manufacturer in Chicago, so it seems plausible that they
>>>> would be the source for the connectors used so ubiquitously by the
>>>> largely Chicago-based coin-op amusement industry...but I can find no
>>>> evidence of that being the case. And "Jones Plugs" is the correct term
>>>> used for another kind of connector entirely, one that is still being
>>>> made to this day by Cinch, who bought out Jones in the 1940s or so.
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>> What you say may be true but at this time I think it is a mute point
>>> as you're not going to get everyone to start calling them something else
>>>
>>
>>
>
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DirtFlipper
Jan 5, 2016, 2:39:24 PM1/5/16
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ldnayman
Jan 5, 2016, 3:12:28 PM1/5/16
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Everyone bitches about the Bally Gottlieb Connectors...uhh Jones Plugs...but all you have to do is kind of crimp them in a little bit with a narrow instrument and they are fine.
Those fuse holders though....
Those fuse holders though....
c...@provide.net
Jan 5, 2016, 5:40:05 PM1/5/16
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Duncan blames me for everything. He blames me for the closing of Williams in 1999. He blamed me for the Vietnam War. He blamed me for Watergate. I'm just everybody's whipping post.
John Robertson
Jan 5, 2016, 6:56:10 PM1/5/16
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On 01/05/2016 2:40 PM, c...@provide.net wrote:
> Duncan blames me for everything. He blames me for the closing of Williams in 1999. He blamed me for the Vietnam War. He blamed me for Watergate. I'm just everybody's whipping post.
>
Oh, so it was YOU that started Pinside? I might have known!
> Duncan blames me for everything. He blames me for the closing of Williams in 1999. He blamed me for the Vietnam War. He blamed me for Watergate. I'm just everybody's whipping post.
>
(ducking real fast).
John ;-#)#
Joseph 'Tony' Dziedzic
Jan 5, 2016, 7:24:41 PM1/5/16
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John wins the Internet today!
Joseph "Tony" Dziedzic
Joseph "Tony" Dziedzic
Pin Del
Jan 5, 2016, 7:31:09 PM1/5/16
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWOTdt9Bovk .
Kerry Imming
Jan 5, 2016, 10:48:41 PM1/5/16
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"DirtFlipper" <dirtf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:17e7ac30-f689-4ee7...@googlegroups.com...
>> Well, except that a very 'similar' type of connector can be seen
>>inside Gottlieb games from before WWII, and this patent wasn't filed
>>until May 1946. So even Gottlieb was using something like it from
>>somebody else long before. I don't know the earliest game appearance
>>though.
>Gottlieb's 1935 "Plus and Minus" at least shows use of a
>so-called Jones plug:
>http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=1833&picno=65367
>So it likely would be something from the industry dating to at least
>that old.
Plugs", but they're not really mentioned outside the context of the
adjustment plugs.
I find references to Jones plugs in rec.games.pinball back to 11/9/1996, but
that might just be as far back as the Google archive goes.
Are there any EM manuals that described how to set up a machine? They would
have had a step to plug in the connectors, so maybe there was a name there?
- Kerry
Kerry Imming
Jan 5, 2016, 11:14:44 PM1/5/16
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"Kerry Imming" <kcim...@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:n6i2lg$7e2$1...@dont-email.me...
> A quick search of the Gottlieb Service Manual doesn't refer to "Jones
> Plugs", but they're not really mentioned outside the context of the
> adjustment plugs.
>
> I find references to Jones plugs in rec.games.pinball back to 11/9/1996,
> but that might just be as far back as the Google archive goes.
>
> Are there any EM manuals that described how to set up a machine? They
> would have had a step to plug in the connectors, so maybe there was a name
> there?
>
> - Kerry
>
>
A search on Google Books for "Jones Plug" shows a reference as early as
> Plugs", but they're not really mentioned outside the context of the
> adjustment plugs.
>
> I find references to Jones plugs in rec.games.pinball back to 11/9/1996,
> but that might just be as far back as the Google archive goes.
>
> Are there any EM manuals that described how to set up a machine? They
> would have had a step to plug in the connectors, so maybe there was a name
> there?
>
> - Kerry
>
>
March 7, 1951 in "The Billboard". This was Juke Box, but there is a lot of
overlap in coin-op.
https://books.google.com/books?id=OR8EAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA147&dq=%22jones%20plug%22&pg=PA147#v=onepage&q=%22jones%20plug%22&f=false
- Kerry
Duncan Brown
Jan 6, 2016, 8:54:37 AM1/6/16
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pinball machine, so totally on-topic. It's talking about an adjustment
plug, not a mass connection between parts of the game, but in all
likelihood it's the same kind of connector. I guess we need someone
with a Bingo Bango game to chime in here just to make sure the
adjustment isn't being made with the flat-bladed kind of Jones Plug that
is more commonly referred to as such... There is one pictured on ipdb,
so there is at least one still existing out there in the world!
Duncan
Duncan Brown
Jan 6, 2016, 9:03:07 AM1/6/16
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adjustment thingies are referred to as "jacks" into which you insert
"plugs" while the general instructions include "NOTE: Always look for a
possible loose wire, bad connection at a plug and socket, broken or
unhooked springs on step-up units, relays, etc., before adjustments are
made or wires reconnected."
(Good advice to this very day!)
Duncan
Duncan Brown
Jan 6, 2016, 9:23:48 AM1/6/16
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no dice. I also have some EM-era Bally and Williams overall game
troubleshooting and service guides (those are in my to-be-scanned queue
for sure), and the closest they get is an occasional reference to a plug
and socket connector, as in checking them for good connections before
proceeding with the real troubleshooting.
The only BOM type stuff in Steve's files is too high level. They aren't
broken down into every last component part like the computerized ones of
more recent times. So the connectors would just be lumped under
"electrical parts" or "wire and cabling" or something, not called out
separately by name.
Duncan
Duncan Brown
Jan 6, 2016, 10:41:00 AM1/6/16
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****
In Gottlieb terminology...these were called either "Male or Female xx
point plugs". So the BOM will call for "F59-18" as an "18 point female
socket" or "M59-10" as a "10 point male plug". This determined from the
BOM for LUCKY HAND (game 415A). I have used heavily the BOM's from the
1950's and they called them the same name but did not indicate a part
number. A lot of the hardware type items they bought just went under the
description in the 50's-70's...just look at their screws and fastening
hardware in any old catalog and you will find it just lists it like you
would read from the box of screws you bought at a hardware store: 5-40 x
1/2 F.H.M.S. is a #5 by 40 thread Fillister Head Machine Screw 1/2 inch
long and so forth.
I cannot ID a supplier until the last of the Gottlieb archives gets
here...I don't have their purchasing records yet. These part numbers are
their usage of a vendor part number, in other words, these numbers are
likely the same number that the seller used when they bought something
off the shelf. For that reason, there is no print to be found in the
archives.
I chased this tooling thru Cinch Jones in the 1980's and after they
researched it, they indicated that the tooling was shipped to their
Canadian plant and lost, either in transit or just plain lost. I had
intended to restart the tooling and have made at the time. That kind of
ended it. Somewhere in my files, I have a letter or fax from them
indicating this.
I don't think they were the only to make as there are similar styles
that were obviously made by other makers. The term "Jones Plugs" has
become part of the pinball language much as "Xerox copies" and "Scotch
tape" have become general lingo for copies and cellophane tape.
Your United catalog I believe also shows the style that UMC and WMS used
in the late 50's where they are using flat sliding contacts. I also see
the Jones plugs shown in early 50's CHICOIN catalogs and GENCO catalogs,
but they are called out just as the Gottlieb's above with only the words
and no part numbers.
*****
And he also solved the circle-P vendor mystery!
*****
Further review of Gottlieb tooling records....I found a folder marked
"plug mounting panel" and in that folder is a letter from
Permonite Manufacturing Co
910 W. Jackson Blvd
Chicago, 7 IL
it has the "circle P" logo on the letterhead
dated...9-5-63 with attached print dated 12-27-54 giving the single
sided plug numbers and they match the F59 type numbers.
this print was amending their part number designation and they were
advising Gottlieb of those new numbers to be used.
the Permonite factory was in Morocco, IN.
*****
Duncan
Kerry Imming
Jan 6, 2016, 1:18:20 PM1/6/16
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On 1/6/2016 7:54 AM, Duncan Brown wrote:
> On 1/5/2016 10:14 PM, Kerry Imming wrote:
>
> ...
> On 1/5/2016 10:14 PM, Kerry Imming wrote:
>
>
> Wow, nice find! That's actually an article about a Schneller (NASCO)
> pinball machine, so totally on-topic. It's talking about an adjustment
> plug, not a mass connection between parts of the game, but in all
> likelihood it's the same kind of connector. I guess we need someone
> with a Bingo Bango game to chime in here just to make sure the
> adjustment isn't being made with the flat-bladed kind of Jones Plug that
> is more commonly referred to as such... There is one pictured on ipdb,
> so there is at least one still existing out there in the world!
>
> Duncan
Then you may also be interested in this Ad in "The Billboard" September
> Wow, nice find! That's actually an article about a Schneller (NASCO)
> pinball machine, so totally on-topic. It's talking about an adjustment
> plug, not a mass connection between parts of the game, but in all
> likelihood it's the same kind of connector. I guess we need someone
> with a Bingo Bango game to chime in here just to make sure the
> adjustment isn't being made with the flat-bladed kind of Jones Plug that
> is more commonly referred to as such... There is one pictured on ipdb,
> so there is at least one still existing out there in the world!
>
> Duncan
24, 1955, page 95.
https://books.google.com/books?id=DCMEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA95&dq=%22jones%20plug%22%20billboard&pg=PA95#v=onepage&q=%22jones%20plug%22%20billboard&f=false
Howard B. Jones Co. listing for "Jones Plugs" under "Electrical Wiring
and Components"
- Kerry
P.S. In my opinion, Jones Plug has become a generic name for a
rectangular, multi-pin connector.
Duncan Brown
Jan 6, 2016, 2:10:00 PM1/6/16
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I've seen "real" Jones Plugs in things like soda machines, and there's a
huge Vending section in Billboards of that era, so that's not quite
definitive proof yet.
Duncan
Kerry Imming
Jan 6, 2016, 2:52:20 PM1/6/16
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On 1/6/2016 1:09 PM, Duncan Brown wrote:
>
> Well to continue to be demanding about this, I will say that I think
> I've seen "real" Jones Plugs in things like soda machines, and there's a
> huge Vending section in Billboards of that era, so that's not quite
> definitive proof yet.
>
I helped out with a 1960 Mr. Top Gun Arcade shooting game and it had the
>
> Well to continue to be demanding about this, I will say that I think
> I've seen "real" Jones Plugs in things like soda machines, and there's a
> huge Vending section in Billboards of that era, so that's not quite
> definitive proof yet.
>
Cinch Jones plugs (if that's what you mean by "real"). At the time I
was surprised to find out that you could still buy those plugs.
- Kerry
Kerry Imming
Jan 6, 2016, 9:43:45 PM1/6/16
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"Duncan Brown" <dun...@ledgaming.com> wrote in message
news:n6jopi$f5u$1...@gioia.aioe.org...
>
> Well to continue to be demanding about this, I will say that I think I've
> seen "real" Jones Plugs in things like soda machines, and there's a huge
> Vending section in Billboards of that era, so that's not quite definitive
> proof yet.
>
Here's an interesting tool I ran across:
> Well to continue to be demanding about this, I will say that I think I've
> seen "real" Jones Plugs in things like soda machines, and there's a huge
> Vending section in Billboards of that era, so that's not quite definitive
> proof yet.
>
https://books.google.com/ngrams
Search for "Jones plug" and you'll see the usage of the term over time. It
peaks in 1950.
At the bottom of the web page you can search by year range, which takes you
to a search page where you can specify terms and alter the date range.
That said, searching for "Jones plug" pinball didn't turn up any hits from
1900-1940.
- Kerry
kah...@yahoo.com
Jan 6, 2016, 10:01:57 PM1/6/16
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DirtFlipper
Apr 29, 2016, 11:45:36 AM4/29/16
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http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=297&picno=56427
So apparently is was a familiar term used at the time, and I'd expect the plug in question is the typical ones used in Gottliebs (even though this was a conversion game).
Kerry Imming
Apr 29, 2016, 2:57:59 PM4/29/16
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On 4/29/2016 10:45 AM, DirtFlipper wrote:
>
> Just to add one more piece to this, I happened across a mention of Jones plug used in context of a pinball machine, 1951:
>
> http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=297&picno=56427
>
> So apparently is was a familiar term used at the time, and I'd expect the plug in question is the typical ones used in Gottliebs (even though this was a conversion game).
>
Interesting find. Thanks for posting it.
>
> Just to add one more piece to this, I happened across a mention of Jones plug used in context of a pinball machine, 1951:
>
> http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=297&picno=56427
>
> So apparently is was a familiar term used at the time, and I'd expect the plug in question is the typical ones used in Gottliebs (even though this was a conversion game).
>
- Kerry
havani...@gmail.com
Apr 30, 2016, 3:22:14 PM4/30/16
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Duncan and all interested in this topic of how common names for things used in pinball and EM arcade games are in current use:
In a conversation in past years with Wayne Neyens I asked him about names being used by the pinball community for the removable connectors and the holes in the playfield where the ball would drop off the table. He said that he and the people in the factory just referred to them as "plugs" and did not use the term "Jones plug" and the out holes on the playfield were just known to him and the other staff he worked with as "a playfield outhole" and not "gobble holes". Wayne acknowledges that the terms "Jones plug" and "gobble hole" have become common usage, but at the time he was designing and engineer for Gottlieb these terms were not in common factory use. He also uses the term "hats" for the plastic inserts flush in the playfield that have a light bulb beneath them that comes on in some feature of the game. I had not heard anyone else in the pinball community use that term until he started talking about "hats" in the playfield. The term "hats" makes since the original inserts have a rim and thus look like a tiny man's fedora that were so common in that era.
Wayne likes to hear from the pinball community, but I need to get his permission to list his phone or email. I plan to see him in mid May. His 10,000th production Spirit of 76 is always ready for a challenge. He will be 98 in July.
Just thought I'd pass along what I have heard about this topic. I'll forward this conversation about plugs to Wayne. He is quite a savvy computer user and regularly uses FaceTime on his Mac to communicate with his family.
In a conversation in past years with Wayne Neyens I asked him about names being used by the pinball community for the removable connectors and the holes in the playfield where the ball would drop off the table. He said that he and the people in the factory just referred to them as "plugs" and did not use the term "Jones plug" and the out holes on the playfield were just known to him and the other staff he worked with as "a playfield outhole" and not "gobble holes". Wayne acknowledges that the terms "Jones plug" and "gobble hole" have become common usage, but at the time he was designing and engineer for Gottlieb these terms were not in common factory use. He also uses the term "hats" for the plastic inserts flush in the playfield that have a light bulb beneath them that comes on in some feature of the game. I had not heard anyone else in the pinball community use that term until he started talking about "hats" in the playfield. The term "hats" makes since the original inserts have a rim and thus look like a tiny man's fedora that were so common in that era.
Wayne likes to hear from the pinball community, but I need to get his permission to list his phone or email. I plan to see him in mid May. His 10,000th production Spirit of 76 is always ready for a challenge. He will be 98 in July.
Just thought I'd pass along what I have heard about this topic. I'll forward this conversation about plugs to Wayne. He is quite a savvy computer user and regularly uses FaceTime on his Mac to communicate with his family.
DirtFlipper
Apr 30, 2016, 6:56:14 PM4/30/16
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