[SFB] Battlestar Galactica rules...
Dr Destructo
I was just wondering if any SFB players out there have devised (or
attempted) to adapt the SFB rules for use with Battlestar Galactica?
I'm currently in the process of trying this myself and I was just wondering
if anyone wanted to share any ideas!
Could you reply via email please as my access to the newsgroups is severely
limited these days.
Cheers!
Francis
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jen...@engr.sc.edu
On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:05:48 +0000, "Dr Destructo" <fe...@bton.ac.uk>
wrote:
>I was just wondering if any SFB players out there have devised (or
>attempted) to adapt the SFB rules for use with Battlestar Galactica?
>
One word, Why?
Robert
daniel steven kast
jen...@engr.sc.edu writes:
>One word, Why?
>Robert
"Why?" adapt to Battlestar Galactica, or "why?" use SFB?
I think it's a pretty cool idea myself -- I'm not a terribly huge SFB fan,
but the Battlestar Galactica universe always held some degree of interest
for me.
My only concern is that BG was very much a fighter-oriented show; with
only one "capital" ship type on either side, a big-ship type game like SFB
might not be the best choice...
Dan Kast
Resident Director, Babcock-Carr Halls
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
cri...@uiuc.edu
Bradley B Upson II
I myself loved Battlestar Galactica, but I do not think it would work using
SFB rules.
Maybe if you tried Babylon 5 rules.
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John C. Malis
In article <3472fbf3....@news.sc.edu>, jen...@engr.sc.edu says...
>
>On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:05:48 +0000, "Dr Destructo" <fe...@bton.ac.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>I was just wondering if any SFB players out there have devised (or
>>attempted) to adapt the SFB rules for use with Battlestar Galactica?
>>
>
>One word, Why?
>
>Robert
Why not? Sounds reasonable to me and a lot of fun too. Actually, I know for a
fact that BC was converted over to SFB. I'll try to remember who has the SSD's
and rules.
As a side note, the BC itself had Phaser 4's and the fighters had
Phaser 2's. I forget about everything else. Also, I got some stuff on the Borg!
That looked cool!
Malis.
Dr Destructo
In article <64uhct$d...@saturn.brighton.ac.uk>, "Dr Destructo"
<fe...@bton.ac.uk> wrote:
>I was just wondering if any SFB players out there have devised (or
>attempted) to adapt the SFB rules for use with Battlestar Galactica?
>
>I'm currently in the process of trying this myself and I was just wondering
>if anyone wanted to share any ideas!
>
>Could you reply via email please as my access to the newsgroups is severely
>limited these days.
Sorry, I should have mentioned that this is _NOT_ meant to be a cross over
where SFB ships can attack Battlestars, but a standalone for BSG just using
the SFB rules.
Thanks!
jen...@engr.sc.edu
On 19 Nov 1997 17:29:57 GMT, jm...@ctp.com (John C. Malis) wrote:
>
>Why not? Sounds reasonable to me and a lot of fun too. Actually, I know for a
>fact that BC was converted over to SFB. I'll try to remember who has the SSD's
>and rules.
> As a side note, the BC itself had Phaser 4's and the fighters had
>Phaser 2's. I forget about everything else. Also, I got some stuff on the Borg!
>That looked cool!
>
Well, 1) BG was a CHEAP TV knockoff of STAR WARS
2) The whole opening episode (you know where the all the
battle stars are siiting around with their fighters all neatly tucked
away in their hanger) with your old enemy showing for a "peace"
treaty) Peace treaties are negotiated with diplomats not main battle
groups...
Robert
Jeffery S. Jones
On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:05:48 +0000, "Dr Destructo" <fe...@bton.ac.uk>
wrote:
>I was just wondering if any SFB players out there have devised (or
>attempted) to adapt the SFB rules for use with Battlestar Galactica?
>
>I'm currently in the process of trying this myself and I was just wondering
>if anyone wanted to share any ideas!
>
>Could you reply via email please as my access to the newsgroups is severely
>limited these days.
OK.
I don't think that SFB will work well at all for BSG. Not without
throwing out most of the game mechanics. For one thing, you have no
shields, most combat is fighter vs. fighter dogfights with "pulsar
cannons" which don't really resemble phasers -- or other SFB weapons,
and the movement system doesn't use warp drive nor any approximate
equivalent.
A BSG game was published, but is out of print and I don't have
details handy. Full Thrust has a BSG adaptation available online, and
I think it would do a better job of giving the right feel than an SFB
conversion. Unless, of course, you just write a new game using a few
of the SFB concepts, such as impulse movement and SSDs for damage
recording. Or, you want to make ships which are vaguely like the BSG
units operating under the SFB rules -- which has been done as well,
though it isn't very close to the show.
I don't have the net references handy, but a quick search can point
them out, or if you have trouble finding them, I can look them up.
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jen...@engr.sc.edu
On 19 Nov 1997 20:17:43 GMT, ken...@aloha.net (Matthew W. Dicksion)
wrote:
>jen...@engr.sc.edu wrote:
>: 2) The whole opening episode (you know where the all the
>: battle stars are siiting around with their fighters all neatly tucked
>: away in their hanger) with your old enemy showing for a "peace"
>: treaty) Peace treaties are negotiated with diplomats not main battle
>: groups...
>
>Come to Hawaii in a year or so and you'll be able to visit the battleship
>Missouri, on whose deck the war with Japan ended. =)
>
>...
Yes I was thinking of Pearl Harbor when I typed the above BUTT, I
think you would agree the scale of the real U.S. fleet and BEN
CARTRIGHT's fictional fleet are comparing apples and oranges(Oh, BTW
the NAVY had sence enough to send the carriers out looking for the
Japanese, just in case they out there) Also you are comparing ONE DUMB
Admiral to a whole STUPID PLANETARY SYSTEM, again apples and oranges
And finally we were not defeated by the loss of the OLD battleships...
Robert
Matthew W. Dicksion
daniel steven kast
jen...@engr.sc.edu writes:
>On 19 Nov 1997 17:29:57 GMT, jm...@ctp.com (John C. Malis) wrote:
>Well, 1) BG was a CHEAP TV knockoff of STAR WARS
> 2) The whole opening episode (you know where the all the
>battle stars are siiting around with their fighters all neatly tucked
>away in their hanger) with your old enemy showing for a "peace"
>treaty) Peace treaties are negotiated with diplomats not main battle
>groups...
And your point is...? It was a fun show, and if someone enjoyed it enough
to want to play in that universe, why should the relative quality of the
show (a very subjective criterion, btw) keep him from doing so?
Dan
The Maverick
jen...@engr.sc.edu wrote:
>
> On 19 Nov 1997 20:17:43 GMT, ken...@aloha.net (Matthew W. Dicksion)
> wrote:
>
> >jen...@engr.sc.edu wrote:
> >: battle stars are siiting around with their fighters all neatly tucked
> >: away in their hanger) with your old enemy showing for a "peace"
> >: treaty) Peace treaties are negotiated with diplomats not main battle
> >: groups...
> >
> >Missouri, on whose deck the war with Japan ended. =)
> >
> >...
>
Well, when you think of the Missouri you need to think of the SURRENDER
of Japan which occurred on the battleship, not the declaration of
hostilities...
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Matthew W. Dicksion
jen...@engr.sc.edu wrote:
: On 19 Nov 1997 20:17:43 GMT, ken...@aloha.net (Matthew W. Dicksion)
: wrote:
:
: >jen...@engr.sc.edu wrote:
: >: 2) The whole opening episode (you know where the all the
: >: battle stars are siiting around with their fighters all neatly tucked
: >: away in their hanger) with your old enemy showing for a "peace"
: >: treaty) Peace treaties are negotiated with diplomats not main battle
: >: groups...
: >
: >Come to Hawaii in a year or so and you'll be able to visit the battleship
: >Missouri, on whose deck the war with Japan ended. =)
: Yes I was thinking of Pearl Harbor when I typed the above BUTT, I
: think you would agree the scale of the real U.S. fleet and BEN
: CARTRIGHT's fictional fleet are comparing apples and oranges(Oh, BTW
: the NAVY had sence enough to send the carriers out looking for the
: Japanese, just in case they out there) Also you are comparing ONE DUMB
: Admiral to a whole STUPID PLANETARY SYSTEM, again apples and oranges
:
: And finally we were not defeated by the loss of the OLD battleships...
I'm sorry; I guess the smiley I typed wasn't big enough. I certainly
didn't mean to give you the impression that I cared about your jihad
against all things Galactica. To quote Shatner, "It's just a goddamn TV
show! Get a life!"
...
Dr Destructo
Thanks to all who've mailed replies and ideas.
I apprecaite <sic?> the fact that SFB isn't probably the best system to use
(and at the moment I can't seem to get hold of Full Thrust, - the local
shops supplier is out of stock), but I think it could work.
I don't want to change rules if I don't have to, so warp becomes the big
drives that the Galactica uses, and out goes Impulse.
I would say that phaser 3's are the main weapon (each representing several
turbo lasers). Nothing bigger, I mean, when has the Galactica ever used
them against any other than fighters? (even the Pegasus didn't when it went
up against two baseships). And I would increase the general movement costs
and turning radius of the big ships.
Fighters are obviously the heart of the game, and I think using wings of
several craft would be the best answer, however they certainly wouldn't be
as effective as SFB fighters!
Anyway, if anyones interested in my workings on this, just let me know!
Thanks again,
Douglas_J._Evans
In article <3472fbf3....@news.sc.edu>
jen...@engr.sc.edu writes:
>On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:05:48 +0000, "Dr Destructo" <fe...@bton.ac.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>I was just wondering if any SFB players out there have devised (or
>>attempted) to adapt the SFB rules for use with Battlestar Galactica?
>>
>
>
>Robert
I'm one of the folks that don't think this is a terrible idea, though
I'd be much more likely to use one of the Full Thrust conversions.
On the other hand, an SFB battle that would break to the FASA game for
the fighter dogfight and ship-assault sounds intriguing. I never thought
the SFB separate dogfight rules were that seamless, though I only glanced
at them a LONG time ago. Can be really detrimental to game flow.
Switching systems is complicating and action-breaking, but for a game with
the emphasis on fighters as BG should be, it seems like a natural.
For those unfamiliar with the FASA game, basically a fighter game, with
attacks on ships run with a board map of a ship and fighters flying around,
but not over, it. Basically three map sheets available, one empty space, one
each for the battle star and base station. The ships COULD shoot back, but
were relatively harmless. If you have the large box Last Starfighter game,
mostly the same system for fighter movement and combat. Some of the weapon
functions were also in FASA's ST ship combat, but I'd have to look back again
to be sure.
By the way, I think some good PSB, as Jon Tuffley calls it, could be used to
explain why fighters can't fly 'over' the ships and are frozen in two dimen-
sions, but that should be for another post.
The_Beast
Satrix
Here is a webpage that someone did. It has Battlestar Galactica and others
(Star Wars, Buck Rogers etc..) Everything is set in the future, so the ship are
rather powerful compare to SFB
Derek 'Drake' Benak
In article <64uhct$d...@saturn.brighton.ac.uk>, "Dr Destructo" <fe...@bton.ac.uk> wrote:
>I was just wondering if any SFB players out there have devised (or
>attempted) to adapt the SFB rules for use with Battlestar Galactica?
>
>if anyone wanted to share any ideas!
>
BSG was a good show until they switched over to the BSG 1980 where they were
on earth.
As for adapting SFB to BSG, (Not to beat a dead horse) I think this would be a
waste because there were only a few capitol ships that could actually fight.
Most battles were fought between fighters.
Our campaign master created BG and her fighters and uses it as a random
event/encounter. Kinda like the Juggernaught. Dozens of launch tubes, phasers
threes, and a couple of Phasers 4's.
BTW, there were a handful of episodes where the pegasus and BG used a mega
cannon to defeat Basestations and other nasties. I distinctly remember a
battlestar flying between two basestations and hammering them with this
weapon.
--Drake
Mark Andrew Siefert
Could be worse... It could have been "Space Mutiny." A horrible
Canadian piece of trip that used FX footage from BG. They just had it on
MST3K.
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In <64v1af$h18$1...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, cri...@staff.uiuc.edu (daniel steven kast) writes:
>jen...@engr.sc.edu writes:
>
>>wrote:
>
>>>I was just wondering if any SFB players out there have devised (or
>>>attempted) to adapt the SFB rules for use with Battlestar Galactica?
>>>
>
>
>>Robert
>
>"Why?" adapt to Battlestar Galactica, or "why?" use SFB?
>
>I think it's a pretty cool idea myself -- I'm not a terribly huge SFB fan,
>but the Battlestar Galactica universe always held some degree of interest
>for me.
>
>My only concern is that BG was very much a fighter-oriented show; with
>only one "capital" ship type on either side, a big-ship type game like SFB
>might not be the best choice...
>
>Dan Kast
>Resident Director, Babcock-Carr Halls
>University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
>cri...@uiuc.edu
>
True you might want to look at Full Thrust, Silent Death or Babylon 5.
Paul Franz
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In <651mn1$gl6$1...@flood.xnet.com>, Dr...@no.spam.xnet.com (Derek 'Drake' Benak) writes:
>In article <64uhct$d...@saturn.brighton.ac.uk>, "Dr Destructo" <fe...@bton.ac.uk> wrote:
>>I was just wondering if any SFB players out there have devised (or
>>attempted) to adapt the SFB rules for use with Battlestar Galactica?
>>
>>if anyone wanted to share any ideas!
>>
>
>BSG was a good show until they switched over to the BSG 1980 where they were
>on earth.
>
>As for adapting SFB to BSG, (Not to beat a dead horse) I think this would be a
>waste because there were only a few capitol ships that could actually fight.
>Most battles were fought between fighters.
>
>Our campaign master created BG and her fighters and uses it as a random
>event/encounter. Kinda like the Juggernaught. Dozens of launch tubes, phasers
>threes, and a couple of Phasers 4's.
>
>BTW, there were a handful of episodes where the pegasus and BG used a mega
>cannon to defeat Basestations and other nasties. I distinctly remember a
>battlestar flying between two basestations and hammering them with this
>weapon.
>
>--Drake
If I remember correctly. The Pegasus used its Nuke Missles to destroy the baseships.
Paul Franz
Matthew Goldman
Glen Cote (War...@webtv.net) wrote:
: Actually, a BSG board game doesn't sound like a bad idea. And you could
: have capital ships, just set up scenarios before the armastice. They
: supposedly had a thousand years of war before then (I think, hey I was
: 12)
Which was why noone remembers how to repair the damned things. There
were a number of episodes where they would go off to some 'no longer
used' section of the warship! A thousand years of war really took a
toll on the tech level of the humans, they lost at least one perhaps
two or more tech levels.
Matt
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On Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:18:43 +0000, "Dr Destructo" <fe...@bton.ac.uk>
wrote:
>In article <347502...@pilot.msu.edu>, Guild of Blades
><ross...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
>
>>Dont be fooled by the lack of use of the Galactica's main weapon. As a
>>battleship it is much more than just a fighter carriers with some anti
>>fighter guns. I can't remember which episode right now, but in one the
>>Battlestar did fire its main weapon and it was one shot to destroy a
>>Cylone base star. A baatlestar's main gun has a LOT of fire power.
>>
>
>Well, out of the six battlestars that are actually seen in the series
>(Galactica, 4 others at the peace conferance, and the Pegasus), only the
>Pegasus seemed to have anything bigger that anti fighter weapons, and yep,
>it's missiles were powerful enough to destroy two Baseships.
>
>However, the Galactica, even when going up against Baseships itself never
>displayed this ability, so I presume that it was modified during the 1000
>yahren war with the Cylons.
>
>But it's certainly an idea for variants.
The Galactica used its Megapulsars in at least one episode where it
engaged, on its own, a Baseship.
But there are few instances where we see the Baseships or
Battlestars directly engaging, so there is not a lot of info to work
with. They do mention both the missiles and megapulsars, however,
neither of which are any use against fighters, and the vast majority
of fights have only fighters on one side.
Stephen Andersen
Dr Destructo wrote:
>
>SNIP
> However, the Galactica, even when going up against Baseships itself never
> displayed this ability, so I presume that it was modified during the 1000
> yahren war with the Cylons.
>
> But it's certainly an idea for variants.
>
IIRC, there was one episode [I think I only saw 3] where the BS
Galactica fired its main wepon and shot down an entire first strike of
missles on some parralel earth.
Dr Destructo
In article <34788B...@mail.snip.net>, Stephen Andersen
<scawe...@mail.snip.net> wrote:
>IIRC, there was one episode [I think I only saw 3] where the BS
>Galactica fired its main wepon and shot down an entire first strike of
>missles on some parralel earth.
No, that wasn't it's main weapon, that was something that they jury rigged
to do the job of shooting down the missiles, I think it scrambled the
missiles warheads or something, but it certainly wasn't it's main weapon.
We're still searching for that!
Jeffery S. Jones
On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:18:50 +0000, "Dr Destructo" <fe...@bton.ac.uk>
wrote:
>In article <34788B...@mail.snip.net>, Stephen Andersen
><scawe...@mail.snip.net> wrote:
>
>>IIRC, there was one episode [I think I only saw 3] where the BS
>>Galactica fired its main wepon and shot down an entire first strike of
>>missles on some parralel earth.
>
>No, that wasn't it's main weapon, that was something that they jury rigged
>to do the job of shooting down the missiles, I think it scrambled the
>missiles warheads or something, but it certainly wasn't it's main weapon.
That was the regular pulsars configured into a "defense grid" mode.
I'd have to watch the episode for more details, but it was certainly
not the main weapon.
>We're still searching for that!
The fore and aft megapulsars would be good options, as would be the
missile launchers. Neither are used in BSG vs. fighter engagements.
The FASA game only deals with those, and thus, doesn't need to show
weapons which would be used against Base Ships or planets.
Bradley B Upson II
As a fan of the OLD BS series,
>No, that wasn't it's main weapon, that was something that they jury rigged
>to do the job of shooting down the missiles, I think it scrambled the
>missiles warheads or something, but it certainly wasn't it's main weapon.
You are both wrong.
It put a shield around the planet for a few seconds, around the time the
missiles were re-entering the upper atmosphere.
Guild of Blades
Bradley B Upson II wrote:
>
> As a fan of the OLD BS series,
>
> >No, that wasn't it's main weapon, that was something that they jury rigged
> >to do the job of shooting down the missiles, I think it scrambled the
> >missiles warheads or something, but it certainly wasn't it's main weapon.
>
> You are both wrong.
> It put a shield around the planet for a few seconds, around the time the
> missiles were re-entering the upper atmosphere.
Yup, all the Battlsstars were equip witha planetary shield. If it sat
in the right location in orbit it could extend its protective sheild
around an entire planet. (wow!). But the Sheild, like the Battlestar's
normal shielding, could not effect fighters.
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Axanar61
>I was just wondering if any SFB players out there have devised (or
>attempted) to adapt the SFB rules for use with Battlestar Galactica?
>
>
http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/d/s/dsm131/sfbtng.htm
It has SSDs for the Basestar and Battlestar. He has a boat load of other
non-StarTrek SFB stuff there as well. Yes, you can fly the Battlestar against
a Imperial Star Destroyer if you want.
Thanks,
AX
Paul Torres
> I was just wondering if any SFB players out there have devised (or
> attempted) to adapt the SFB rules for use with Battlestar Galactica?
>
>
> limited these days.
>
Try sfb-swa gaming
Paul Torres
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