I don't like this uneven shit
Paul Popinjay
asshole who likes to bet unevenly. Do you know the kind of guy I'm talking
about? Instead of betting 20, 40, 100, whatever, this mutherfucker will bet
like 49, or 37, or something like that. Well let me tellya something. I
DON'T LIKE THAT SHIT! And if you do that uneven betting stuff with me, I
don't give a fuck what happens, I'm going all-in on you, no matter what I
got. Most times I do this, I find out they were full of it anyway and they
just fold like the little pussy that I thought they were. Oh, sure, once in
a great while, these uneven bettors have the nuts, and then they send me on
my way. But I don't care. It gets under my skin. It's gets on my nerves.
Just don't do that shit with me, or the chips are going all into the middle.
If you want to play like a normal human being, then bet like a normal human
being. Bet in even numbers, none of this 38 dollar shit. I'm just sayin.
They have buttons for betting. USE THESE BUTTONS! If you bet uneven
amounts, then you must be sitting there and typing the odd amount into the
text box. And they're doing that just to fuck with me. I don't like it,
not one bit.
BillB
"Paul Popinjay" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> I play a lot of heads-up SNGs. Every once in awhile I come across
> some
> asshole who likes to bet unevenly. Do you know the kind of guy I'm
> talking
> about? Instead of betting 20, 40, 100, whatever, this mutherfucker
> will bet
> like 49, or 37, or something like that.
It's usually a tell. When they bet 39 it's to make the stack of chips
look taller (i.e. they want you to fold). Raise those punks!
John the Savage
Hmm. Well I usually just try to ignore this stuff. It's not that hard
to think one step ahead, if people think like you (and they do). If I
bet 295 instead of 300, it sounds like a discount. That's what they do
in retail! So it looks like I want a call, doesn't it? If I make my
stack of chips look larger than it is (which I'm not sure is a valid
interpretation online anyway, when the number is right there), it looks
like I want a fold, doesn't it? I think the Caro interpretation of this
business would be the opposite of yours.
If unusual bet amounts cause you to play in a way that you otherwise
would not, then that alone is a reason to bet unusual amounts. I think
most players that do this stuff do it in a variety of situations. That
has been my experience, anyway. But then, I have always believed that
"tells" are vastly overrated.
XaQ Morphy
> But then, I have always believed that "tells" are vastly overrated.
What if you have a tell on a guy that he's betting not for value or a
bluff, but that he has the best hand and doesn't want you to call?
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Interpoker used to let you use decimals too. So you could raise to 555.55
one hand, 555.56 the next, etc. Too much work though.
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It sounds like this would be a good thing to do against you. If it is
going to cause you to make irrational plays and not care what happens.
But those idiots are just being annoying.
When I play 1/2 NL my pre-flop raises are all prime numbers, 7. 11,
13, 17, 19, 23, 29 etc. depending on the number of limpers and
position. Not my re-raises, unless I feel like it. It annoys people
and makes them think about something that means nothing. I'm just
being annoying.
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John the Savage
> On Apr 7 2010 9:14 PM, John the Savage wrote:
>
>> But then, I have always believed that "tells" are vastly overrated.
>
> What if you have a tell on a guy that he's betting not for value or a
> bluff, but that he has the best hand and doesn't want you to call?
>
I would probably swear up and down that I was sick of the bullshit going
on at the table, get up and leave, and promise not to return. I would
insist I was only going to play in my own private home game from now on.
Then I was sit back in on the next orbit.
Paul Popinjay
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John, tells are NOT vastly overrated. Anyone who thinks so, just doesn't
know. That's all, they just don't. I am sure Gary Carson, if no one else
on this newsgroup, at least Gary will agree with me. Trust me, he will.
Ask him.
But anyway, that's beside the point. I'm not talking about tells, I'm just
saying that this annoys the fuck out of me. So far I have run into several
of these guys, but not frequently, maybe one a week. And I fire it all at
them, I don't give a fuck, send me home broke, do or die time. It just
irritates me. And another thing that irritates me? It's when I'm sitting
there, minding my own business, just playing my game, and my opponent types
in "kunt". I hate that. If they call me "kunt" or "biatch" or something
sexist and rude like that, I don't say anything back to them, but I do put
the brakes on. I hope they're not in a hurry, because my game is going to
suddenly get very slow. I'll tellya, I'm usually fun to play with, but I
take some things personal, especially if they think I'm a girl and get rude
with me, I feel that as a man I have to stick up for the girl that I am
trying to pass myself off as. Y'know what I mean? It's like a chivalry
kinda thing.
BillB
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> Hmm. Well I usually just try to ignore this stuff. It's not that
> hard to think one step ahead, if people think like you (and they
> do). If I bet 295 instead of 300, it sounds like a discount.
> That's what they do in retail! So it looks like I want a call,
> doesn't it? If I make my stack of chips look larger than it is
> (which I'm not sure is a valid interpretation online anyway, when
> the number is right there), it looks like I want a fold, doesn't it?
> I think the Caro interpretation of this business would be the
> opposite of yours.
>
> If unusual bet amounts cause you to play in a way that you otherwise
> would not, then that alone is a reason to bet unusual amounts. I
> think most players that do this stuff do it in a variety of
> situations. That has been my experience, anyway. But then, I have
> always believed that "tells" are vastly overrated.
Your mileage may vary. I'm just going on a few million hands
experience.
Paul Popinjay
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>
> Interpoker used to let you use decimals too. So you could raise to 555.55
> one hand, 555.56 the next, etc. Too much work though.
>
I would fucking flip out. $238.67? I could stab a mutherfucker for that.
Mel
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> But then, I have always believed that
> "tells" are vastly overrated.
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> On Apr 7 2010 8:14 PM, John the Savage wrote:
>
>> But then, I have always believed that
>> "tells" are vastly overrated.
>
> You haven't played much live poker...
Reminds me of a time -- this guy two seats to my right was hyper-aggro,
taking way more blinds than he should have, so I started calling him down
every once in a while, and sure enough, he had air a lot of the time, and
suddenly he got real readable.
He got felted and re-bought, and was once again down to his last few chips.
I got dealt an K2o which I played (everyone else folded) just because he was
doing his shit again. He bets and I follow all the way to the river where I
pair my 2. Maniac bets out again, I call, and he says "Your pair is good".
I say, "Good, because that's all it is" and I turn over the deuce.
That's about as mad as I've ever seen anyone get at a poker table.
Jim
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<a1c...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>On Apr 7 2010 9:14 PM, John the Savage wrote:
>
>> But then, I have always believed that "tells" are vastly overrated.
>
>What if you have a tell on a guy that he's betting not for value or a
>bluff, but that he has the best hand and doesn't want you to call?
In other words, you're playing against Beldin.
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>
> Reminds me of a time -- this guy two seats to my right was hyper-aggro,
> taking way more blinds than he should have, so I started calling him down
> every once in a while, and sure enough, he had air a lot of the time, and
> suddenly he got real readable.
>
Clave, what do you mean, "taking way more blinds than he should have"? What
does that mean? What the fuck are you talking about? Does anyone else know
what Clave is talking about? Am I the only who doesn't? Explain yourself,
Clave. And be patient with me.
Clave
> "Clave" <ClaviusNo...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> Reminds me of a time -- this guy two seats to my right was hyper-aggro,
>> taking way more blinds than he should have, so I started calling him down
>> every once in a while, and sure enough, he had air a lot of the time, and
>> suddenly he got real readable.
>>
>
>
> Clave, what do you mean, "taking way more blinds than he should have"?
Raising pre-flop and the table folding round to him, fucking duh.
I thought you were some kind of poker expert.
Jim
Clave
More often than probability would suggest, hon.
Paul Popinjay
Who is raising pre-flop? Are you saying that somebody raised pre-flop, and
it folded around to him, and then he called? What the fuck are you saying,
Clave? You said he was taking way more blinds than he should have. Then
was he getting walks? What are you trying to say? If he got a walk, then
no one raised pre-flop. You're really confusing the fuck out of me, Clave.
Clave
> "Clave" <ClaviusNo...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
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>> "Paul Popinjay" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:hpjvns$klv$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNo...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>>
>>>> Reminds me of a time -- this guy two seats to my right was hyper-aggro,
>>>> taking way more blinds than he should have, so I started calling him
>>>> down every once in a while, and sure enough, he had air a lot of the
>>>> time, and suddenly he got real readable.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Clave, what do you mean, "taking way more blinds than he should have"?
>>
>> Raising pre-flop and the table folding round to him, fucking duh.
>>
>
>
I didn't advertise it as an accurate machine-generated BAHH, fucktard.
The point that escapes you is that if even *I* can get a read on someone in
a live game (which I did, and have done in other instances), then Savage's
claim that "tells are vastly overrated" has at least one data point against
it.
Fucking duh.
Oh, and get over yourself. You're worse than Beldin lately.
Jim
Paul Popinjay
>
> I didn't advertise it as an accurate machine-generated BAHH, fucktard.
>
> The point that escapes you is that if even *I* can get a read on someone
> in a live game (which I did, and have done in other instances), then
> Savage's claim that "tells are vastly overrated" has at least one data
> point against it.
>
Back up a minute, Clave, no need to get huffy. I get your point, that you
are telling John that tells are more important than he thought. Ok. But
back to what you were saying, YOU SAID, that the guy was taking way more
blinds than he should have. I still don't get it. Was he getting walks and
taking his own blinds? Was he taking other people's blinds? How could he
take other people's blinds if someone else had raised pre-flop and it went
around to him, in his blind. Wtf, can you just tell me? You've got me so
confused, and now I can't go to sleep because I'm still thinking about it.
Clave
> "Clave" <ClaviusNo...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> I didn't advertise it as an accurate machine-generated BAHH, fucktard.
>>
>> The point that escapes you is that if even *I* can get a read on someone
>> in a live game (which I did, and have done in other instances), then
>> Savage's claim that "tells are vastly overrated" has at least one data
>> point against it.
>>
>
>
> Back up a minute, Clave, no need to get huffy.
Agreed, fuckface.
> I get your point, that you are telling John that tells are more important
> than he thought. Ok. But back to what you were saying, YOU SAID, that
> the guy was taking way more blinds than he should have. I still don't get
> it. Was he getting walks and taking his own blinds?
If I thought it was a huge deal I'd have posted it here when it happened.
It was a while ago, and I don't remember the specifics, just my impressions.
He was taking too many pots before the flop is what I remember. Hard to
imagine the rest of the table being bigger donks than me and not noticing
themselves, but maybe all the deltas lined up that night and that's what
happened.
I thought I had a read on the guy and it seems I did.
You weren't the poor sumbitch I rivered there were you?
Jim
Paul Popinjay
>
> It was a while ago, and I don't remember the specifics, just my
> impressions.
>
> He was taking too many pots before the flop is what I remember.
Ok, but you said, that "the table was folding round to him." So if the
table was folding round to him, was he in the Big Blind? But if he was
raising pre-flop, and the table was folding round to him, who was he
raising? Was he raising himself?
Clave
Beats me. As I said, I don't remember the specifics.
I have a hard time imagining why it matters so much to you.
If it's because you want to expose me as a bad writer about poker, then I
guess you win.
Jim
da pickle
> Beats me. As I said, I don't remember the specifics.
>
> I have a hard time imagining why it matters so much to you.
>
> If it's because you want to expose me as a bad writer about poker, then I
> guess you win.
[Yeah, Paul!]
Will in New Haven
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> "John the Savage" <savage0...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:7emdnQ3m-IZ0piDW...@giganews.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 4/7/2010 10:00 PM, BillB wrote:
>
> >> It's usually a tell. When they bet 39 it's to make the stack of chips
> >> look taller (i.e. they want you to fold). Raise those punks!
>
> > Hmm. Well I usually just try to ignore this stuff. It's not that hard to
> > think one step ahead, if people think like you (and they do). If I bet
> > 295 instead of 300, it sounds like a discount. That's what they do in
> > retail! So it looks like I want a call, doesn't it? If I make my stack
> > of chips look larger than it is (which I'm not sure is a valid
> > interpretation online anyway, when the number is right there), it looks
> > like I want a fold, doesn't it? I think the Caro interpretation of this
> > business would be the opposite of yours.
>
> > If unusual bet amounts cause you to play in a way that you otherwise would
> > not, then that alone is a reason to bet unusual amounts. I think most
> > players that do this stuff do it in a variety of situations. That has
> > been my experience, anyway. But then, I have always believed that "tells"
> > are vastly overrated.
>
> John, tells are NOT vastly overrated. Anyone who thinks so, just doesn't
> know. That's all, they just don't. I am sure Gary Carson, if no one else
> on this newsgroup, at least Gary will agree with me. Trust me, he will.
> Ask him.
Tells are very useful and can be important. To say that they are
overrated, however, one just has to find someone who overrates them.
Phil Hellmuth makes claims about the importance of tells that make me
think that he and the people who believe him to be correct overrate
them. Some people do overrate them and some, like Negreanu, claim that
they are unimportant. He is wrong also.
>
> But anyway, that's beside the point. I'm not talking about tells, I'm just
> saying that this annoys the fuck out of me. So far I have run into several
> of these guys, but not frequently, maybe one a week. And I fire it all at
> them, I don't give a fuck, send me home broke, do or die time. It just
> irritates me. And another thing that irritates me? It's when I'm sitting
> there, minding my own business, just playing my game, and my opponent types
> in "kunt". I hate that. If they call me "kunt" or "biatch" or something
> sexist and rude like that, I don't say anything back to them, but I do put
> the brakes on. I hope they're not in a hurry, because my game is going to
> suddenly get very slow. I'll tellya, I'm usually fun to play with, but I
> take some things personal, especially if they think I'm a girl and get rude
> with me, I feel that as a man I have to stick up for the girl that I am
> trying to pass myself off as. Y'know what I mean? It's like a chivalry
> kinda thing.- H
Letting the way your opponent behaves affect your play isn't a good
idea. In a live game, of course, you can accidently bump a drink
server so that she spills his Captain and Coke* all over him. Online,
I don't think you have any recourse.
*Reasearch has shown that many, if not most, assholes at live poker
tables drink Captain and Coke.
John the Savage
> On Apr 7 2010 8:14 PM, John the Savage wrote:
>
>> But then, I have always believed that
>> "tells" are vastly overrated.
>
> You haven't played much live poker...
>
Well, it's true that I learned most of what I know about this game
playing online, and also have made more money playing online than live.
But I have played a fair amount live, and won, although surely not as
much as you, Paul, or Will (all of whom have disagreed with me here). I
could just be wrong, but let me try to explain what I mean a little better.
I am not saying that tells do not exist, or that they can't help a
skilled player. But anytime you are making a play based on a "tell",
you are doing something that would otherwise be suboptimal. So, to be
making a lot of suboptimal plays based on your tells, you had better be
pretty damned good at what you are doing.
I think the average poker player places too much stock in "tells". I
don't mean you shouldn't be observing and learning about your opponents.
But you can learn an awful lot of useful information by just following
the action and seeing what cards they show up with. Too many new
players get into the trap of looking for a twitch, or looking into their
opponent's eyes, or some other such nonsense, when they really have no
idea what they are looking for. Not only are they running the risk of
misinterpreting some signal, but they are being prone to being
deliberately misled by a skilled player. It can really be a waste of
energy.
We've all see the TVSM who wears sunglasses to the 3-6 table and stares
down opponents when tanking over an obvious river call. This guy is not
being helped by the idea that poker is about "tells". In general, it's
not. If you are a very highly skilled reader and really know what you
are doing, then by all means, act on the tells you perceive. But for
the rest of us, I think it's often wise to simply ignore them, and spend
your energy focusing concrete factors that you can analyze without
doubt. By that I mean things that are available to the online player as
well - bet amounts, general style (loose/tight weak/tenacious
aggressive/passive), and showdowns.
Paul Popinjay
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> Letting the way your opponent behaves affect your play isn't a good
> idea.
Don't you agree, though, that as a man, I have an obligation to stick up for
a woman when someone is being rude to her, even though I am the woman that I
am sticking for?
XaQ Morphy
Let me ask you this, do you consider betting patterns as tells?
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>
> Let me ask you this, do you consider betting patterns as tells?
>
No
John the Savage
>
> Let me ask you this, do you consider betting patterns as tells?
>
No. I realize viewed in this way its possible that betting an unusual
amount is not a "tell" proper, so maybe this discussion doesn't really
belong here anyway.
I think of a tell as something that you would not see if you just read
the hand history (minus the chat). In online poker, the only thing I
can think of besides chat that could be used as a "tell" is the amount
of time it takes a player to respond, but nowadays with most low limit
games full of multi-tabling grinders that can be pretty hard to
interpret as well.
Wikipedia's definition works for me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tell_%28poker%29
"A tell in poker is a subtle but detectable change in a player's
behavior or demeanor that gives clues to that player's assessment of his
hand."
XaQ Morphy
> > Let me ask you this, do you consider betting patterns as tells?
> >
>
> No
What if you are playing someone, tourney, cash game, whatever. Let's say
he makes a 3xBB raise every time, and has for 2 hours. Now all of a
sudden he makes it 2xBB, or 5xBB. Wouldn't you think that by breaking the
pattern he's giving away some information?
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> > Let me ask you this, do you consider betting patterns as tells?
> >
>
> No
Just thought of this as I hit send. How about bet sizing. In PLO I've
seen players who use the pot/half pot buttons so telling that you might as
well know their cards. One guy would always full pot it on draws, but
half pot once he made his hand. Like, over thousands of hands his
patterns stayed true. Are you saying that's not a tell?
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> No. I realize viewed in this way its possible that betting an unusual
> amount is not a "tell" proper, so maybe this discussion doesn't really
> belong here anyway.
>
> I think of a tell as something that you would not see if you just read
> the hand history (minus the chat). In online poker, the only thing I
> can think of besides chat that could be used as a "tell" is the amount
> of time it takes a player to respond, but nowadays with most low limit
> games full of multi-tabling grinders that can be pretty hard to
> interpret as well.
>
> Wikipedia's definition works for me:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tell_%28poker%29
>
> "A tell in poker is a subtle but detectable change in a player's
> behavior or demeanor that gives clues to that player's assessment of his
> hand."
Based on the definition above, a change in a player's betting patterns
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> On Apr 7, 9:47 pm, "Paul Popinjay" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > I play a lot of heads-up SNGs. Every once in awhile I come across some
> > asshole who likes to bet unevenly. Do you know the kind of guy I'm talking
> > about? Instead of betting 20, 40, 100, whatever, this mutherfucker will
bet
> > like 49, or 37, or something like that. Well let me tellya something. I
> > DON'T LIKE THAT SHIT! And if you do that uneven betting stuff with me, I
> > don't give a fuck what happens, I'm going all-in on you, no matter what I
> > got. Most times I do this, I find out they were full of it anyway and they
> > just fold like the little pussy that I thought they were. Oh, sure, once
in
> > a great while, these uneven bettors have the nuts, and then they send me on
> > my way. But I don't care. It gets under my skin. It's gets on my nerves.
> > Just don't do that shit with me, or the chips are going all into the
middle.
> > If you want to play like a normal human being, then bet like a normal human
> > being. Bet in even numbers, none of this 38 dollar shit. I'm just sayin.
> > They have buttons for betting. USE THESE BUTTONS! If you bet uneven
> > amounts, then you must be sitting there and typing the odd amount into the
> > text box. And they're doing that just to fuck with me. I don't like it,
> > not one bit.
>
> It sounds like this would be a good thing to do against you. If it is
> going to cause you to make irrational plays and not care what happens.
> But those idiots are just being annoying.
>
> When I play 1/2 NL my pre-flop raises are all prime numbers, 7. 11,
> 13, 17, 19, 23, 29 etc. depending on the number of limpers and
> position. Not my re-raises, unless I feel like it. It annoys people
> and makes them think about something that means nothing. I'm just
> being annoying.
>
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> "John the Savage" <savag...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7emdnQ3m-IZ0piDW...@giganews.com...
>
> > Hmm. Well I usually just try to ignore this stuff. It's not that
> > hard to think one step ahead, if people think like you (and they
> > do). If I bet 295 instead of 300, it sounds like a discount.
> > That's what they do in retail! So it looks like I want a call,
> > doesn't it? If I make my stack of chips look larger than it is
> > (which I'm not sure is a valid interpretation online anyway, when
> > the number is right there), it looks like I want a fold, doesn't it?
> > I think the Caro interpretation of this business would be the
> > opposite of yours.
> >
> > If unusual bet amounts cause you to play in a way that you otherwise
> > would not, then that alone is a reason to bet unusual amounts. I
> > think most players that do this stuff do it in a variety of
> > situations. That has been my experience, anyway. But then, I have
> > always believed that "tells" are vastly overrated.
>
> Your mileage may vary. I'm just going on a few million hands
> experience.
you do not have 3 million hands in
do you have a telephone number or a social security number or an address
or a ....
Alim's answer: None of those track my every move
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BillB
"K9way" <ad1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
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> you do not have 3 million hands in
If you say so. You know everything.
Paul Popinjay
> On Apr 8 2010 11:34 AM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
>
>> > Let me ask you this, do you consider betting patterns as tells?
>> >
>>
>> No
>
> Just thought of this as I hit send. How about bet sizing. In PLO I've
> seen players who use the pot/half pot buttons so telling that you might as
> well know their cards. One guy would always full pot it on draws, but
> half pot once he made his hand. Like, over thousands of hands his
> patterns stayed true. Are you saying that's not a tell?
>
Yes. I'm saying no.
Paul Popinjay
>
> What if you are playing someone, tourney, cash game, whatever. Let's say
> he makes a 3xBB raise every time, and has for 2 hours. Now all of a
> sudden he makes it 2xBB, or 5xBB. Wouldn't you think that by breaking the
> pattern he's giving away some information?
>
Yes. Tell? No.
Paul Popinjay
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You might. You're old enough. I think I certainly do, counting everything.
But 3 mill is a lot of fucking hands, Bill. I assume you've thought long
and hard about it. Were you playing cards before online took off? If not,
I am going to be very skeptical of your claim to 3 mill. Because for
myself, I'm thinking online, and all the stuff I did before that, and I'm
going back to the mid-70s.
Paul Popinjay
>
> I have a hard time imagining why it matters so much to you.
>
> If it's because you want to expose me as a bad writer about poker, then I
> guess you win.
>
No, of course not. I just want to understand what you're trying to say,
Clave. What really confused me was your saying that the table folded around
to him. But you also said someone raised. Who was it that raised, Clave?
Let's work this out. Don't leave me in the dark.
Clave
Ummm.....let's not.
It's not germane to the point, and I don't find this conversation worth the
effort to try to recall it more accurately.
Jim
Paul Popinjay
>
> It's not germane to the point,
It's not germane to what point? What was the point? If I recall, someone
started talking about tells, either John or Follow or someone, it wasn't me.
So regardless of the details you cannot remember, does your story relate to
that somehow?
BillB
"Paul Popinjay" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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No, I wasn't thinking long and hard about it. It was just a rough
estimate. I did play about 1 million in 2007 alone. I'd play about
5000 hands a day, sometimes a lot more. I'm nowhere near joeingram's
league though. He proved he can play 50,000 in a day. I don't think he
can sustain that though. lol
Ya, I have been playing poker since the 70's too, but I wasn't
factoring in live poker. I can easily play more hands in 1 day online
than most full-time live players would play in a month, and I only
played live full-time for a few years. Barely worth counting.
Clave
> "Clave" <ClaviusNo...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> news:hpm5fq$jkn$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>>
>> It's not germane to the point,
>
>
> It's not germane to what point? What was the point?
I suggest you look back in the thread, troll.
Jim
Paul Popinjay
Ok, I just did, and I cannot figure it out. And don't be silly, I do not
troll. But what does your story, however it really happened, have to do
with tells being overrated or not?
Paul Popinjay
>
>
> and I only played live full-time for a few years. Barely worth counting.
Where, Bill? Did you play the B.C. circuit? The "social clubs" in the old
days? Or whatever they were called? Never been there, but I know they had
a lot of cardrooms up there. Ever play or been to Kamloops? I love the
name.
BillB
"BillB" <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote in message
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> I'm nowhere near joeingram's league though. He proved he can play
> 50,000 in a day. I don't think he can sustain that though. lol
Look at this guy. What a degenerate! lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlTdQEpM8zA&feature=player_embedded
I do like his collection of snacks though. I respect a man who comes
to the table mentally and physically prepared.
BillB
"Paul Popinjay" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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I played full time in Edmonton for about two years and in Vancouver
for about one. Ya, I played the social clubs in Vancouver back in the
day. Lumbermans, Athens, Jokers, and a couple of others.
I lived in Kamloops for a while but I didn't have time to play much
poker. I had a responsible job. I played at a little hole-in-the-wall
club there. 5-10 holdem they played. Can't remember what it was
called. It was in a little strip mall. I only went a couple of times.
I didn't care for the room or the clientele, and that's saying a lot
after playing the Athens, which got closed down after their second
murder.
Clave
> "Clave" <ClaviusNo...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> news:hpm77k$rov$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Paul Popinjay" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:hpm6ng$pfo$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNo...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>>> news:hpm5fq$jkn$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's not germane to the point,
>>>
>>>
>>> It's not germane to what point? What was the point?
>>
>> I suggest you look back in the thread, troll.
>>
>
>
Wow.
Then I can't help you.
Jim
BillB
"BillB" <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote in message
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> Look at this guy. What a degenerate! lol
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlTdQEpM8zA&feature=player_embedded
OMG, I didn't see this one before. He doesn't even get up to piss. He
pisses in a bottle! That is hardcore.
And he's got an in-house masseuse/hooker! Is that living or what? Not
sure if I could handle a diet of Red Bulls and gummy bears though.
What do you figure this guy's life expectancy is?
Paul Popinjay
>
> Wow.
>
> Then I can't help you.
>
I'm just trying to figure out if you were relating it to tells being
overrated or something else. If you don't want to talk about it, then let's
just drop it. Far as I know you had no point, you were just babbling about
something for no reason except to be read. Fine, but stay out of our
poker-related threads from now on if you don't want to discuss it.
Clave
> "Clave" <ClaviusNo...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> news:hpm94a$4u3$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>>
>> Wow.
>>
>> Then I can't help you.
>>
>
>
> I'm just trying to figure out if you were relating it to tells being
Hello?
I don't care.
Jim
Tad Perry
but now everyone that ever holds aces against you is going to bet an uneven
amount to see if you flip out and go all in.
tvp
Michael Gordge
> "Paul Popinjay" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> news:hpmd8i$i7p$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> >news:hpm94a$4u3$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> >> Wow.
>
> >> Then I can't help you.
>
> > I'm just trying to figure out if you were relating it to tells being
> > overrated or something else...
>
> Hello?
>
> I don't care.
>
> Jim
Ewe fucking lying piece of lefturdian knuckle-dragging crap, ewe do
care about everything but your fucking sick in the head self.
MG
John the Savage
> On Apr 8 2010 12:24 PM, John the Savage wrote:
>>
>> Wikipedia's definition works for me:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tell_%28poker%29
>>
>> "A tell in poker is a subtle but detectable change in a player's
>> behavior or demeanor that gives clues to that player's assessment of his
>> hand."
>
> Based on the definition above, a change in a player's betting patterns
> would be a tell.
Only with a very broad definition of "behavior" that also included the
bets themselves, and only if the change was indicative of hand strength.
Regardless of the precision of the above definition, I'm believe that
most poker players think a tell is something beyond the factual details
of the bet; it's some behavior besides the "behavior" of playing poker
itself. Obviously, paying attention to your opponent's betting style is
something that should always be done.
Tad Perry
Now I can't sleep, wondering if you really can't sleep.
Being a translator, I will translate from Clave to English for you: When
people would fold around to him, he (the guy in question) would raise more
often than seemed reasonable in an attempt to steal the blinds.
(18 cents per word. You do the math.)
Tad "It was such a good act, I couldn't help myself." Perry
da pickle
>> I'm just trying to figure out if you were relating it to tells being
>> overrated or something else. If you don't want to talk about it, then
>> let's just drop it. Far as I know you had no point, you were just
>> babbling about something for no reason except to be read. Fine, but stay
>> out of our poker-related threads from now on if you don't want to discuss
>> it.
>
> Now I can't sleep, wondering if you really can't sleep.
>
> Being a translator, I will translate from Clave to English for you: When
> people would fold around to him, he (the guy in question) would raise more
> often than seemed reasonable in an attempt to steal the blinds.
If you are in the big blind and everyone folds around to you, you do not get
the raise.
Paul is just trying to understand that in some other way than what he keeps
asking.
(And he has been unusually polite in his questioning.)