That Lying Murdering Fucker, Trump

[Bradley K. Sherman]

|
| A video has emerged of Donald Trump talking about cutting
| the US pandemic response team in 2018 - days after claiming
| that he knew nothing about the disbanded White House unit.
|
| Mr Trump said of the pandemic team that "some of the people
| we've cut they haven't been used for many, many years and
| if we ever need them we can get them very quickly and
| rather then spending the money".
|
| "I'm a business person, I don't like having thousands of
| people around when you don't need them," he added.
| ...
<https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/coronavirus-video-trump-pandemic-team-cut-2018-a9405191.html>

--bks

[Clave]

People. Haven't been "used."

[Dutch]

That strategy might make more sense if the administration actually did
respond quickly when the pandemic was first emerging, but instead they
indulged one of Trump's alternate reality tours for six weeks, even
declining to accept an early offer of a test kit from the WHO. This was
criminal negligence on a massive scale.

[VegasJerry]

They ONLY reason was that the U.S. would have to pay for the test kids. The kits were given away to poor countries.

[Dutch]

That makes sense, and further proves my point below.

[popinjay]

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 1:46:19 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:



>
> They ONLY reason was that the U.S. would have to pay for the test kids.

They do not use test kids, you sick fuck.

[Mossingen]

"Bradley K. Sherman" wrote in message news:r4qf9r$8i$1...@panix2.panix.com...

_____________________________


So what? It was a good cost-cutting measure at the time. You act like all
of this was entirely predictable. You're like that annoying guy who never
bets on the game, but after it's over you tell us all about how you knew it
was going to happen that way. Piss off.

Plus, he's right. Trump has assembled the best experts and private industry
once it became clear how inept the CDC is, and now we have a plan of action
that is working. This entire thing should be over in a few months.

[BillB]

On Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 11:10:28 AM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:


> So what? It was a good cost-cutting measure at the time. You act like all
> of this was entirely predictable. You're like that annoying guy who never
> bets on the game, but after it's over you tell us all about how you knew it
> was going to happen that way. Piss off.
>
> Plus, he's right. Trump has assembled the best experts and private industry
> once it became clear how inept the CDC is, and now we have a plan of action
> that is working. This entire thing should be over in a few months.

"It's not as bad as the seasonal flu" -- Mossingen

LOL And he's STILL shooting his mouth off! If I said stupid shit like that I'd be hiding under my bed out of terminal embarrassment.

[BillB]

On Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 11:10:28 AM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:

"Now"?? You're two or three months too late, buddy. The horse left the barn. Americans are now dying in large numbers because of the Trump-virus and Trump incompetence.

If the CDC was so inept, why was Trump praising them on a daily basis? You realize it's been Trump's CDC for over three years, right? Why didn't he fix it? Incompetence?

[Bradley K. Sherman]

That lying murdering fuck:
|
| Trump Now Claims He Always Knew the Coronavirus Would Be a
| Pandemic
|
| The president tried to rewrite his history with advising
| Americans about the coronavirus. His own words prove him
| wrong.
| ...
<https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/us/politics/trump-coronavirus.html>

--bks

[Mossingen]

"BillB" wrote in message
news:cc72d4d6-2f74-4737...@googlegroups.com...

____________


What are the numbers of seasonal flu as compared to corona? Are you sure
corona is worse? Someone is shooting off their mouth, and I suspect it
isn't me.

[Dr. Jon LaPook]

On Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 11:10:28 AM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:

> "Bradley K. Sherman" wrote in message news:r4qf9r$8i$1...@panix2.panix.com...
>
> |
> | A video has emerged of Donald Trump talking about cutting
> | the US pandemic response team in 2018 - days after claiming
> | that he knew nothing about the disbanded White House unit.
> |
> | Mr Trump said of the pandemic team that "some of the people
> | we've cut they haven't been used for many, many years and
> | if we ever need them we can get them very quickly and
> | rather then spending the money".
> |
> | "I'm a business person, I don't like having thousands of
> | people around when you don't need them," he added.
> | ...
>
<https://www.independent.co.
uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/coronavirus-video-trump-pandemic-team-cut-2
018-a9405191.html>
>
> --bks
>
>
> _____________________________
>
>
> So what? It was a good cost-cutting measure at the time. You act like all
> of this was entirely predictable.

It was predictable you idiot. Medical experts have warned repeatedly that it
wasn't a matter of ‘if' but a matter of ‘when' there would be another
pandemic.


—article from World Health Organization---
http://www.emro.who.
int/pandemic-epidemic-diseases/news/the-next-flu-pandemic-a-matter-of-when-not
-if.html

Jon LaPook, M.D.

[VegasJerry]

On Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 11:10:28 AM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:

Because of him canceling Obamas Pandemic machine...

> and now we have a plan of action that is working.

Well, no..

> This entire thing should be over in a few months.

February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”

February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”

February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”

February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”

March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”

March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect.

March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.

March 13: [Declared state of emergency] “I don’t take responsibility at all.”

March 16: "I give my response a 10 out of 10"

[VegasJerry]

What's it matter? Fucking dodger...

> Are you sure corona is worse?

Yes. You don't know this? See what we mean about watching FO☭?

> Someone is shooting off their mouth, and I suspect it's me.

No shit!

[Bradley K. Sherman]

What was going on privately:
|
| A secret recording taken of Senate Intelligence Committee
| Chairman Richard Burr shows him warning a private audience
| three weeks ago about how the Coronavirus would have dire
| effects on the U.S.
|
<https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/818192535/burr-recording-sparks-questions-about-private-comments-on-covid-19>

What Trump was saying publicly at the same time:
|
| Feb. 26: "So we're at the low level. As they get better, we
| take them off the list, so that we're going to be pretty
| soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or
| two people over the next short period of time. So we've had
| very good luck." -- Trump at a White House briefing.
|
| Feb. 26: "And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15

| within a couple of days is going to be down to close to

| zero, that's a pretty good job we've done." -- Trump at a
| press conference.
|
<https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/trumps-statements-about-the-coronavirus/>

--bks

That Fat Lying Orange Fuck.

[Tim Norfolk]

It was predictable. That's why they established a response team. The details vary, but increased population numbers, global travel, and incursion into wild areas makes such things inevitable.

[Mossingen]

"Tim Norfolk" wrote in message
news:440670bb-c57f-4703...@googlegroups.com...

>It was predictable. That's why they established a response team. The
>details vary, but increased population numbers, global travel, and
>incursion into wild areas makes such things inevitable.

These events are not predictable in the sense that you are using the term.
Do you realize how many catastrophes we can be spending massive amounts of
money on right now? Government has to ration these things out. Trump's
actions were entirely reasonable based on the available information at the
time. I know you hate the guy, and will never give him the benefit of the
doubt, but when the CDC was exposed as useless Trump rallied resources in an
impressive way.

[Bradley K. Sherman]

Mossingen <jhan...@cox.net> wrote:
> ...

>These events are not predictable in the sense that you are using the term.

> ...

Wrong again!

Today:
|
| A Cascade of Warnings, Heard but Unheeded, Before Virus
| Outbreak
|
| Government exercises, including one last year, made clear
| that the U.S. was not ready for a pandemic like the
| coronavirus. But little was done.
| ...
<https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-outbreak.html>

2018:
|
| May 10, 2018 at 1:32 p.m. PDT
|
| The top White House official responsible for leading the
| U.S. response in the event of a deadly pandemic has left
| the administration, and the global health security team he
| oversaw has been disbanded under a reorganization by
| national security adviser John Bolton.
|
| The abrupt departure of Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer from the
| National Security Council means no senior administration
| official is now focused solely on global health security.
| Ziemer's departure, along with the breakup of his team,
| comes at a time when many experts say the country is
| already underprepared for the increasing risks of a
| pandemic or bioterrorism attack.
|
| Ziemer's last day was Tuesday, the same day a new Ebola
| outbreak was declared in Congo. He is not being replaced.
| ...
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/10/top-white-house-official-in-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/>

--bks

[VegasJerry]

On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 9:45:51 AM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:
> "Tim Norfolk" wrote in message
> news:440670bb-c57f-4703...@googlegroups.com...
>
>
> >It was predictable. That's why they established a response team. The
> >details vary, but increased population numbers, global travel, and
> >incursion into wild areas makes such things inevitable.
>
>
> These events are not predictable in the sense that you are using the term.

Bullshit. Every heard of ebola

> Do you realize how many catastrophes we can be spending massive amounts of
> money on right now?

Guess snot. Give us the LIST..

> Government has to ration these things out.

What things? LIST 'em.

> Trump's actions were entirely reasonable based on the available information at the time.

No, they were not. And you can't show that they were:

February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”

February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”

February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”

February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”

March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”

March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect.

March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.

March 13: [Declared state of emergency] “I don’t take responsibility at all.”

March 16: "I give my response a 10 out of 10"

> I know you hate the guy

Why should I? He's trying to take my Obamacare away from me.
why do you LOVE him?

> and will never give him the benefit of the doubt

What doubt?

> but when the CDC was exposed as useless Trump rallied resources in an
> impressive way.

No, he did not. He wouldn't have even needed the CDC at that point if he hasn't turned down WHO.

GFC you're stupid...

[Bradley K. Sherman]

>What was going on privately:
> | A secret recording taken of Senate Intelligence Committee
> | Chairman Richard Burr shows him warning a private audience
> | three weeks ago about how the Coronavirus would have dire
> | effects on the U.S.

>What Trump was saying publicly:

> | Feb. 26: "And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15
> | within a couple of days is going to be down to close to
> | zero, that's a pretty good job we've done." -- Trump at a
> | press conference.

|

| Senator Dumped Up to $1.6 Million of Stock After Reassuring
| Public About Coronavirus Preparedness
| ...
<https://www.propublica.org/article/senator-dumped-up-to-1-6-million-of-stock-after-reassuring-public-about-coronavirus-preparedness>

Burr was receiving all the classified reports on the pandemic:
<https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-usa-intelligence/u-s-spy-agencies-monitor-coronavirus-spread-concerns-about-india-sources-idUSKCN20L37R>

--bks

[Dutch]

On 2020-03-19 9:45 a.m., Mossingen wrote:
> Trump's actions were entirely reasonable based on the available
> information at the time.

They weren't reasonable at all. His predictions that the number of cases
was going to dry up in a week or two were totally at odds with the
advice of all the experts. This counter-factual narrative cost weeks in
response time.

C'mon, you know he spins everything to make it appear better *for him*.
It is his defining trait. Be honest.

[BillB]

When he says it was "entirely reasonable" he's speaking from an Oklahoman mentality. Normal, intelligent people know you don't disband the fire department just because you haven't had a fire in a while. Pure idiocy.

[Dutch]

Just based on the news reports out of Asia at the time even we knew that
what he was saying was total bullshit. Saying that his actions were
reasonable is patently absurd. There is a better argument, that his job
was to calm the public to avert a panic, but there is a right way to do
that, and lying and covering up the truth is definitely not it.

[Clave]

On 3/19/2020 8:45 AM, Mossingen wrote:
>
>
> "Tim Norfolk"  wrote in message
> news:440670bb-c57f-4703...@googlegroups.com...
>
>
>> It was predictable. That's why they established a response team. The
>> details vary, but increased population numbers, global travel, and
>> incursion into wild areas makes such things inevitable.
>
>
> These events are not predictable in the sense that you are using the
> term. Do you realize how many catastrophes we can be spending massive
> amounts of money on right now?  Government has to ration these things
> out.  Trump's actions were entirely reasonable based on the available
> information at the time.

Another stupid, STUPID lie.

[Tim Norfolk]

Only in the sense that hurricanes and earthquakes are unpredictable, let alone terrorist attacks. We in the US have a long history of being unprepared.

Look at all of our wars. The only major one for which we were actually ready was the first Gulf War.