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"American Sniper" versus "Selma"
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ramashiva
Jan 22, 2015, 6:56:31 AM1/22/15
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"American Sniper" continues to play to packed theaters --
http://variety.com/2015/film/news/box-office-american-sniper-to-hold-off-johnny-depp-and-j-lo-1201410948/
While free tickets are given to schoolchildren in a desperate attempt to fill the empty seats in theaters showing "Selma" --
http://www.afro.com/black-leaders-raise-funds-for-free-student-admissions-to-selma/
Meanwhile, America-hating pantywaists wet themselves over the fake baby in "American Sniper", while ignoring the glaring historical inaccuracies of "Selma" --
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-movie-selma-has-a-glaring-historical-inaccuracy/2014/12/26/70ad3ea2-8aa4-11e4-a085-34e9b9f09a58_story.html
Yes, it is much worse to have a fake baby which appears onscreen for a few seconds than to completely misrepresent the relationship between MLK and LBJ.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
http://variety.com/2015/film/news/box-office-american-sniper-to-hold-off-johnny-depp-and-j-lo-1201410948/
While free tickets are given to schoolchildren in a desperate attempt to fill the empty seats in theaters showing "Selma" --
http://www.afro.com/black-leaders-raise-funds-for-free-student-admissions-to-selma/
Meanwhile, America-hating pantywaists wet themselves over the fake baby in "American Sniper", while ignoring the glaring historical inaccuracies of "Selma" --
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-movie-selma-has-a-glaring-historical-inaccuracy/2014/12/26/70ad3ea2-8aa4-11e4-a085-34e9b9f09a58_story.html
Yes, it is much worse to have a fake baby which appears onscreen for a few seconds than to completely misrepresent the relationship between MLK and LBJ.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
observant lurker
Jan 22, 2015, 10:28:01 AM1/22/15
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Of course, when I was about 14, I went to the restroom in an Alabama restaurant and found the doors labeled "whites" and "colored". Even at 14, I thought that was a little strange and silly, but lets leave the civil rights bullshit to the Al Sharpton ass kissers.
BillB
Jan 22, 2015, 11:06:46 AM1/22/15
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On 22/01/2015 3:56 AM, ramashiva wrote:
> "American Sniper" continues to play to packed theaters --
>
> http://variety.com/2015/film/news/box-office-american-sniper-to-hold-off-johnny-depp-and-j-lo-1201410948/
>
> While free tickets are given to schoolchildren in a desperate attempt to fill the empty seats in theaters showing "Selma" --
>
> http://www.afro.com/black-leaders-raise-funds-for-free-student-admissions-to-selma/
That's not why they are giving tickets to schoolchildren. They want the
> "American Sniper" continues to play to packed theaters --
>
> http://variety.com/2015/film/news/box-office-american-sniper-to-hold-off-johnny-depp-and-j-lo-1201410948/
>
> While free tickets are given to schoolchildren in a desperate attempt to fill the empty seats in theaters showing "Selma" --
>
> http://www.afro.com/black-leaders-raise-funds-for-free-student-admissions-to-selma/
kids to learn about one of the great moments in American history, when,
for once, good triumphed over evil.
Why do you have this vendetta against Selma?
> Meanwhile, America-hating pantywaists wet themselves over the fake baby in "American Sniper", while ignoring the glaring historical inaccuracies of "Selma" --
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-movie-selma-has-a-glaring-historical-inaccuracy/2014/12/26/70ad3ea2-8aa4-11e4-a085-34e9b9f09a58_story.html
>
> Yes, it is much worse to have a fake baby which appears onscreen for a few seconds than to completely misrepresent the relationship between MLK and LBJ.
scenes. You don't think there are "historical inaccuracies" in American
Sniper??
The biggest flaw in American Sniper is that they totally glossed over
his ironic death, which was an excellent, but wasted, opportunity to
highlight the need for common sense gun regulations to help keep guns
out of the hands of the mentally ill.
risky biz
Jan 22, 2015, 1:41:38 PM1/22/15
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On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 3:56:31 AM UTC-8, ramashiva wrote:
Our ROEs [Rules of Engagement] when the [Iraq War] kicked off were pretty simple: If you see anyone from about sixteen to sixty-five and they're male, shoot 'em. Kill every male you see. That wasn't the official language, but that was the idea.
-Chris Kyle, in his memoir American Sniper
In his memoir, Kyle reportedly described killing as fun, something he loved; he was unwavering in his belief that everyone he shot was a bad guy. I hate the damn savages, he wrote. I couldn't give a flying fuck about the Iraqis.
-interview recorded for Netherlands radio:
MR [Mindy Ran, journalist in Hilversum]: Now, we have been hearing there is a cease-fire. Is there a cease-fire in effect?
LG [Leigh Gordon, journalist and temporary paramedic in Iraq]: No, quite the opposite. Effectively they are fighting. The US has snipers around the city from the West into the center, in houses all around the main streets and are picking off people on the streets, cars and ambulances.
MR: Do you mean they are actually firing on ambulances?
LG: Yeah, I mean, indeed. My colleague and I and some international volunteers from the United Kingdom and the US had to take over the responsibility for getting patients out of bomb damaged hospitals to one of the remaining make-shift hospitals, which is actually a converted doctors surgery effectively - because the ambulances were being shot at by the US forces.
Many families were stuck there with few supplies because US soldiers would not allow them to leave, she said. Even during a so-called ceasefire, Fallujah was under siege with bombing, missiles and mortar attacks [...] But the worst form of attack was the US snipers hiding on rooftops who kill hundreds of civilians as they tried to move about the city (Australian Associated Press, 16 April 2004)
About a half an hour after cease-fire had been called I was standing outside the hospital and I saw an Iraqi man of 28 years old who was an Iraqi nurse come from another city to try and help people in Fallujah, shot through the liver by a sniper as he was unloading an ambulance. He was dragged into the hospital and they tried to operate on him and sew up his wound. They had no painkillers, only the painkillers, um the parecetamol, that I could give them from my own bag. Um and we were told that unless we could get him to a hospital in Baghdad within an half an hour, he would die. Of course there was no way out of the city, and he did die.
MR: Do you have the feeling that American commanders are in control of their forces there?
LG: You know it's incredibly difficult to tell. Just moving about is, is - literally just stepping out of the hospital is hazardous. There is one sniper that has been positioned a few hundred yards from the hospital on the main street, for the last few days.
Abu Muher said US warplanes were bombing the city heavily last Saturday prior to his departure, and that Marine snipers continued to take their toll, shot after shot, on residents of the besieged city. There were so many snipers, anyone leaving their house was killed, he recalled.
[...]
Abdul Aziz, the 15 year-old son of Abu Muher, stated, I saw two of my neighbors shot by US snipers when I went outside one time. I also saw some of the small cluster bombs on the ground that were dropped by the warplanes of the Americans. Most times, we were too afraid even to look out of our windows
(New Standard, 23 April 2004).
On the side of the main street you will find destroyed buildings, and military tents on the buildings for snipers. Be careful, if you hear any sound of fighting, hide in the side roads, park your car there and get in any house and hide, because snipers will kill anyone who moves, even if the fighting is in another area.
Sheikh Majeed al-Ga'oud is from Wahaj al-Iraq village just outside Ramadi, and visits the city regularly. He also described snipers killing without discretion.
The American snipers don't make any distinction between civilians or fighters, anything that moves, he shoots immediately. This is a very dirty thing, they are killing lots of civilians who are not fighters.
According to the Iraqi friend, many people have been killed in Ramadi because they simply do not know which parts of the city are now no-go zones.
One such area is the main street through Ramadi. After the first traffic light you are not allowed to proceed forward, only to the right or left.
The way is blocked, not by concrete, but by snipers. Anyone who goes ahead in the street will be killed. There's no sign that it's not allowed, but it's known to the local people. Many people came to visit us from Baghdad. They didn't know this and they went ahead a few metres and were killed (Inter Press Service, 5 June 2006).
Paul Popinjay
Jan 22, 2015, 2:43:04 PM1/22/15
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On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 10:41:38 AM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:
>
> Murdering civilians trying to escape a battle area. That's really something to be proud of.
>
>
> Our ROEs [Rules of Engagement] when the [Iraq War] kicked off were pretty simple: If you see anyone from about sixteen to sixty-five and they're male, shoot 'em. Kill every male you see. That wasn't the official language, but that was the idea.
> -Chris Kyle, in his memoir American Sniper
>
> In his memoir, Kyle reportedly described killing as fun, something he loved; he was unwavering in his belief that everyone he shot was a bad guy. I hate the damn savages, he wrote. I couldn't give a flying fuck about the Iraqis.
>
>
> -interview recorded for Netherlands radio:
> MR [Mindy Ran, journalist in Hilversum]: Now, we have been hearing there is a cease-fire. Is there a cease-fire in effect?
>
> LG [Leigh Gordon, journalist and temporary paramedic in Iraq]: No, quite the opposite. Effectively they are fighting. The US has snipers around the city from the West into the center, in houses all around the main streets and are picking off people on the streets, cars and ambulances.
>
> MR: Do you mean they are actually firing on ambulances?
>
> LG: Yeah, I mean, indeed. My colleague and I and some international volunteers from the United Kingdom and the US had to take over the responsibility for getting patients out of bomb damaged hospitals to one of the remaining make-shift hospitals, which is actually a converted doctors surgery effectively - because the ambulances were being shot at by the US forces.
>
> Many families were stuck there with few supplies because US soldiers would not allow them to leave, she said. Even during a so-called ceasefire, Fallujah was under siege with bombing, missiles and mortar attacks [...] But the worst form of attack was the US snipers hiding on rooftops who kill hundreds of civilians as they tried to move about the city (Australian Associated Press, 16 April 2004)
>
> About a half an hour after cease-fire had been called I was standing outside the hospital and I saw an Iraqi man of 28 years old who was an Iraqi nurse come from another city to try and help people in Fallujah, shot through the liver by a sniper as he was unloading an ambulance. He was dragged into the hospital and they tried to operate on him and sew up his wound. They had no painkillers, only the painkillers, um the parecetamol, that I could give them from my own bag. Um and we were told that unless we could get him to a hospital in Baghdad within an half an hour, he would die. Of course there was no way out of the city, and he did die.
>
> MR: Do you have the feeling that American commanders are in control of their forces there?
>
> LG: You know it's incredibly difficult to tell. Just moving about is, is - literally just stepping out of the hospital is hazardous. There is one sniper that has been positioned a few hundred yards from the hospital on the main street, for the last few days.
>
>
> Abu Muher said US warplanes were bombing the city heavily last Saturday prior to his departure, and that Marine snipers continued to take their toll, shot after shot, on residents of the besieged city. There were so many snipers, anyone leaving their house was killed, he recalled.
> [...]
> Abdul Aziz, the 15 year-old son of Abu Muher, stated, I saw two of my neighbors shot by US snipers when I went outside one time. I also saw some of the small cluster bombs on the ground that were dropped by the warplanes of the Americans. Most times, we were too afraid even to look out of our windows
> (New Standard, 23 April 2004).
>
>
> On the side of the main street you will find destroyed buildings, and military tents on the buildings for snipers. Be careful, if you hear any sound of fighting, hide in the side roads, park your car there and get in any house and hide, because snipers will kill anyone who moves, even if the fighting is in another area.
>
> Sheikh Majeed al-Ga'oud is from Wahaj al-Iraq village just outside Ramadi, and visits the city regularly. He also described snipers killing without discretion.
>
> The American snipers don't make any distinction between civilians or fighters, anything that moves, he shoots immediately. This is a very dirty thing, they are killing lots of civilians who are not fighters.
>
> According to the Iraqi friend, many people have been killed in Ramadi because they simply do not know which parts of the city are now no-go zones.
>
> One such area is the main street through Ramadi. After the first traffic light you are not allowed to proceed forward, only to the right or left.
>
> The way is blocked, not by concrete, but by snipers. Anyone who goes ahead in the street will be killed. There's no sign that it's not allowed, but it's known to the local people. Many people came to visit us from Baghdad. They didn't know this and they went ahead a few metres and were killed (Inter Press Service, 5 June 2006).
I was thinking I might go see it tonight and I was just checking the theater times. But maybe I won't go. Fuck it, why do I need to see a movie like this? If they make a sequel to Casino, I'll go see that.
>
> Murdering civilians trying to escape a battle area. That's really something to be proud of.
>
>
> Our ROEs [Rules of Engagement] when the [Iraq War] kicked off were pretty simple: If you see anyone from about sixteen to sixty-five and they're male, shoot 'em. Kill every male you see. That wasn't the official language, but that was the idea.
> -Chris Kyle, in his memoir American Sniper
>
> In his memoir, Kyle reportedly described killing as fun, something he loved; he was unwavering in his belief that everyone he shot was a bad guy. I hate the damn savages, he wrote. I couldn't give a flying fuck about the Iraqis.
>
>
> -interview recorded for Netherlands radio:
> MR [Mindy Ran, journalist in Hilversum]: Now, we have been hearing there is a cease-fire. Is there a cease-fire in effect?
>
> LG [Leigh Gordon, journalist and temporary paramedic in Iraq]: No, quite the opposite. Effectively they are fighting. The US has snipers around the city from the West into the center, in houses all around the main streets and are picking off people on the streets, cars and ambulances.
>
> MR: Do you mean they are actually firing on ambulances?
>
> LG: Yeah, I mean, indeed. My colleague and I and some international volunteers from the United Kingdom and the US had to take over the responsibility for getting patients out of bomb damaged hospitals to one of the remaining make-shift hospitals, which is actually a converted doctors surgery effectively - because the ambulances were being shot at by the US forces.
>
> Many families were stuck there with few supplies because US soldiers would not allow them to leave, she said. Even during a so-called ceasefire, Fallujah was under siege with bombing, missiles and mortar attacks [...] But the worst form of attack was the US snipers hiding on rooftops who kill hundreds of civilians as they tried to move about the city (Australian Associated Press, 16 April 2004)
>
> About a half an hour after cease-fire had been called I was standing outside the hospital and I saw an Iraqi man of 28 years old who was an Iraqi nurse come from another city to try and help people in Fallujah, shot through the liver by a sniper as he was unloading an ambulance. He was dragged into the hospital and they tried to operate on him and sew up his wound. They had no painkillers, only the painkillers, um the parecetamol, that I could give them from my own bag. Um and we were told that unless we could get him to a hospital in Baghdad within an half an hour, he would die. Of course there was no way out of the city, and he did die.
>
> MR: Do you have the feeling that American commanders are in control of their forces there?
>
> LG: You know it's incredibly difficult to tell. Just moving about is, is - literally just stepping out of the hospital is hazardous. There is one sniper that has been positioned a few hundred yards from the hospital on the main street, for the last few days.
>
>
> Abu Muher said US warplanes were bombing the city heavily last Saturday prior to his departure, and that Marine snipers continued to take their toll, shot after shot, on residents of the besieged city. There were so many snipers, anyone leaving their house was killed, he recalled.
> [...]
> Abdul Aziz, the 15 year-old son of Abu Muher, stated, I saw two of my neighbors shot by US snipers when I went outside one time. I also saw some of the small cluster bombs on the ground that were dropped by the warplanes of the Americans. Most times, we were too afraid even to look out of our windows
> (New Standard, 23 April 2004).
>
>
> On the side of the main street you will find destroyed buildings, and military tents on the buildings for snipers. Be careful, if you hear any sound of fighting, hide in the side roads, park your car there and get in any house and hide, because snipers will kill anyone who moves, even if the fighting is in another area.
>
> Sheikh Majeed al-Ga'oud is from Wahaj al-Iraq village just outside Ramadi, and visits the city regularly. He also described snipers killing without discretion.
>
> The American snipers don't make any distinction between civilians or fighters, anything that moves, he shoots immediately. This is a very dirty thing, they are killing lots of civilians who are not fighters.
>
> According to the Iraqi friend, many people have been killed in Ramadi because they simply do not know which parts of the city are now no-go zones.
>
> One such area is the main street through Ramadi. After the first traffic light you are not allowed to proceed forward, only to the right or left.
>
> The way is blocked, not by concrete, but by snipers. Anyone who goes ahead in the street will be killed. There's no sign that it's not allowed, but it's known to the local people. Many people came to visit us from Baghdad. They didn't know this and they went ahead a few metres and were killed (Inter Press Service, 5 June 2006).
By the way, I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned the Jesse Ventura controversy, because I have not read everything on RGP. But I wonder who was telling the truth. I think Kyle said he decked him. Jesse said he didn't. And Jesse is a pretty big guy.
Bea Foroni
Jan 22, 2015, 2:47:46 PM1/22/15
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On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 11:43:04 AM UTC-8, Paul Popinjay wrote:
>
> I was thinking I might go see it tonight and I was just checking the theater times. But maybe I won't go. Fuck it, why do I need to see a movie like this? If they make a sequel to Casino, I'll go see that.
>
I won't be seeing it anytime soon. It is just another eye rape. After awhile you stop crying, and later you start to like it.
>
> I was thinking I might go see it tonight and I was just checking the theater times. But maybe I won't go. Fuck it, why do I need to see a movie like this? If they make a sequel to Casino, I'll go see that.
>
If you can, rent The Lego Movie. A fun entertainment that was smart.
BillB
Jan 22, 2015, 2:54:02 PM1/22/15
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speak for everyone in the world. The Lego movie has had no influence on
the world, compared to Star Wars. In the future, please limit your movie
commentary to Star Wars.
Bea Foroni
Jan 22, 2015, 3:00:19 PM1/22/15
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On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 11:54:02 AM UTC-8, BillB wrote:
>
> Nobody gives a fuck about the Lego movie. NOBODY. I know that because I
> speak for everyone in the world. The Lego movie has had no influence on
> the world, compared to Star Wars. In the future, please limit your movie
> commentary to Star Wars.
Someone's feeling are hurt.
>
> Nobody gives a fuck about the Lego movie. NOBODY. I know that because I
> speak for everyone in the world. The Lego movie has had no influence on
> the world, compared to Star Wars. In the future, please limit your movie
> commentary to Star Wars.
BillB
Jan 22, 2015, 3:02:53 PM1/22/15
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Bea Foroni
Jan 22, 2015, 3:14:17 PM1/22/15
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fred1...@gmail.com
Jan 22, 2015, 3:32:00 PM1/22/15
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On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 10:41:38 AM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:
> On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 3:56:31 AM UTC-8, ramashiva wrote:
> > "American Sniper" continues to play to packed theaters --
> >
> > http://variety.com/2015/film/news/box-office-american-sniper-to-hold-off-johnny-depp-and-j-lo-1201410948/
> >
> > While free tickets are given to schoolchildren in a desperate attempt to fill the empty seats in theaters showing "Selma" --
> >
> > http://www.afro.com/black-leaders-raise-funds-for-free-student-admissions-to-selma/
> >
> > Meanwhile, America-hating pantywaists wet themselves over the fake baby in "American Sniper", while ignoring the glaring historical inaccuracies of "Selma" --
> >
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-movie-selma-has-a-glaring-historical-inaccuracy/2014/12/26/70ad3ea2-8aa4-11e4-a085-34e9b9f09a58_story.html
> >
> > Yes, it is much worse to have a fake baby which appears onscreen for a few seconds than to completely misrepresent the relationship between MLK and LBJ.
> >
> >
> > William Coleman (ramashiva)
>
> Murdering civilians trying to escape a battle area. That's really something to be proud of.
It sure is. Killing your Muslime heroes before they can kill American soldiers no doubt keeps you up at night sobbing, so just replay that assault on the cartoonists' Paris headquarters to make yourself feel better, joke.
> > "American Sniper" continues to play to packed theaters --
> >
> > http://variety.com/2015/film/news/box-office-american-sniper-to-hold-off-johnny-depp-and-j-lo-1201410948/
> >
> > While free tickets are given to schoolchildren in a desperate attempt to fill the empty seats in theaters showing "Selma" --
> >
> > http://www.afro.com/black-leaders-raise-funds-for-free-student-admissions-to-selma/
> >
> > Meanwhile, America-hating pantywaists wet themselves over the fake baby in "American Sniper", while ignoring the glaring historical inaccuracies of "Selma" --
> >
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-movie-selma-has-a-glaring-historical-inaccuracy/2014/12/26/70ad3ea2-8aa4-11e4-a085-34e9b9f09a58_story.html
> >
> > Yes, it is much worse to have a fake baby which appears onscreen for a few seconds than to completely misrepresent the relationship between MLK and LBJ.
> >
> >
> > William Coleman (ramashiva)
>
> Murdering civilians trying to escape a battle area. That's really something to be proud of.
Dutch
Jan 22, 2015, 6:10:33 PM1/22/15
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ramashiva wrote:
> "American Sniper" continues to play to packed theaters --
Because people like war movies. I didn't think either movie was
> "American Sniper" continues to play to packed theaters --
particularly memorable, but if I had to sit through either one again I
would pick American Sniper. Despite being a blatant example of
jingoistic pro-American war propaganda and a rehash of better movies, it
was pretty entertaining, Selma fell flat as a pancake. I'll be
disappointed if either movie wins an Oscar, but not surprised.
TruthSeeker
Jan 22, 2015, 7:23:44 PM1/22/15
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On 1/22/15 4:08 PM, Dutch wrote:
> ramashiva wrote:
>> "American Sniper" continues to play to packed theaters --
>
> Because people like war movies. I didn't think either movie was
> particularly memorable, but if I had to sit through either one again I
> would pick American Sniper. Despite being a blatant example of
> jingoistic pro-American war propaganda
IOW, a reasonable, balanced and accurate telling of the story instead of
> ramashiva wrote:
>> "American Sniper" continues to play to packed theaters --
>
> Because people like war movies. I didn't think either movie was
> particularly memorable, but if I had to sit through either one again I
> would pick American Sniper. Despite being a blatant example of
> jingoistic pro-American war propaganda
an anti-American and anti-military propaganda piece.
> and a rehash of better movies, it
> was pretty entertaining, Selma fell flat as a pancake. I'll be
> disappointed if either movie wins an Oscar, but not surprised.
"Twelve Years a Slave" last year. Even so, neither the Director nor any
of the actors in it were nominated, which should tell you something. I
don't mean racism, I mean the quality of the movie.
What Eastwood had going against him (re not getting a Best Director
nomination) is Hollywood's hatred of non-PC movies that show the U.S.
military in a good light. That makes it a pretty uphill climb for the
movie to win Best Picture (even if it deserves it, I don't know that it
does).
Disclaimer: I haven't seen either one yet, and I won't until I can see
them at home for free.
--
Truthseeker
"Je suis Charlie."
risky biz
Jan 22, 2015, 7:54:16 PM1/22/15
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On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 4:23:44 PM UTC-8, TruthSeeker wrote:
- What Eastwood had going against him (re not getting a Best Director
- What Eastwood had going against him (re not getting a Best Director
> nomination) is Hollywood's hatred of non-PC movies that show the U.S.
> military in a good light. That makes it a pretty uphill climb for the
> movie to win Best Picture (even if it deserves it, I don't know that it
> does).
>
> Disclaimer: I haven't seen either one yet, and I won't until I can see
> them at home for free.
Yet you know "what Eastwood had going against him". Your typical backward thought process on display again.
> military in a good light. That makes it a pretty uphill climb for the
> movie to win Best Picture (even if it deserves it, I don't know that it
> does).
>
> Disclaimer: I haven't seen either one yet, and I won't until I can see
> them at home for free.
risky biz
Jan 22, 2015, 7:55:11 PM1/22/15
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risky biz
Jan 22, 2015, 8:09:33 PM1/22/15
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On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 11:43:04 AM UTC-8, Paul Popinjay wrote:
- By the way, I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned the Jesse Ventura controversy, because I have not read everything on RGP. But I wonder who was telling the truth. I think Kyle said he decked him. Jesse said he didn't. And Jesse is a pretty big guy.
Chris Kyle exhibits every appearance of being a prolific liar.
Q And though Kyle claimed Ventura appeared at a SEAL graduation afterward with a black eye -- where "everybody was laughing" and asking Who beat the shit out of him? -- HarperCollins never asked a member of the graduating class whether they saw Ventura's injury. (A photograph from the event shows a clear image of Ventura -- with no black eye.) Q
http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/20/american-sniper-chris-kyle-was-proved-a-liar-by-jesse-ventura-and-harpercollins-may-owe-the-former-governor-millions/
The Ventura "memoir" is apparently one of many lies from Kyle. What more could be expected from a sack of shit who shoots women and children with a sniper rifle when they're trying to escape a conflict zone?
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Dutch
Jan 22, 2015, 11:18:29 PM1/22/15
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TruthSeeker wrote:
> On 1/22/15 4:08 PM, Dutch wrote:
>> ramashiva wrote:
>>> "American Sniper" continues to play to packed theaters --
>>
>> Because people like war movies. I didn't think either movie was
>> particularly memorable, but if I had to sit through either one again I
>> would pick American Sniper. Despite being a blatant example of
>> jingoistic pro-American war propaganda
>
> IOW, a reasonable, balanced and accurate telling of the story instead of
> an anti-American and anti-military propaganda piece.
I can't think of a single Hollywood war movie that didn't paint the U.S.
> On 1/22/15 4:08 PM, Dutch wrote:
>> ramashiva wrote:
>>> "American Sniper" continues to play to packed theaters --
>>
>> Because people like war movies. I didn't think either movie was
>> particularly memorable, but if I had to sit through either one again I
>> would pick American Sniper. Despite being a blatant example of
>> jingoistic pro-American war propaganda
>
> IOW, a reasonable, balanced and accurate telling of the story instead of
> an anti-American and anti-military propaganda piece.
military protagonist as a big hero and the "cause" as righteous. He
enlists after seeing 9/11 on TV, to "defend freedom", no mention
anywhere that his eventual deployment to Iraq had zero connection to
9/11 whatsoever.
>> and a rehash of better movies, it
>> was pretty entertaining, Selma fell flat as a pancake. I'll be
>> disappointed if either movie wins an Oscar, but not surprised.
>
> What Selma had going for it is Hollywood's love of PC movies, like
> "Twelve Years a Slave" last year. Even so, neither the Director nor any
> of the actors in it were nominated, which should tell you something. I
> don't mean racism, I mean the quality of the movie.
>
> What Eastwood had going against him (re not getting a Best Director
> nomination) is Hollywood's hatred of non-PC movies that show the U.S.
> military in a good light. That makes it a pretty uphill climb for the
> movie to win Best Picture (even if it deserves it, I don't know that it
> does).
military in a poor light? Seems to me these films like Hurt Locker
regularly win Oscars. This is a very similar movie, and there have been
numerous others, all featuring the U.S. military as conquering heroes.
>
> Disclaimer: I haven't seen either one yet, and I won't until I can see
> them at home for free.
The award screeners are all available on usenet and/or torrents if
> Disclaimer: I haven't seen either one yet, and I won't until I can see
> them at home for free.
you're into that sort of thing.
Clave
Jan 22, 2015, 11:30:38 PM1/22/15
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> I can't think of a single Hollywood war movie that didn't paint the U.S.
> military protagonist as a big hero and the "cause" as righteous.
TruthSeeker
Jan 22, 2015, 11:58:31 PM1/22/15
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I read in multiple sources that it is a very well directed movie.
TruthSeeker
Jan 23, 2015, 12:01:17 AM1/23/15
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On 1/22/15 9:16 PM, Dutch wrote:
> TruthSeeker wrote:
>> On 1/22/15 4:08 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>> ramashiva wrote:
>>>> "American Sniper" continues to play to packed theaters --
>>>
>>> Because people like war movies. I didn't think either movie was
>>> particularly memorable, but if I had to sit through either one again I
>>> would pick American Sniper. Despite being a blatant example of
>>> jingoistic pro-American war propaganda
>>
>> IOW, a reasonable, balanced and accurate telling of the story instead of
>> an anti-American and anti-military propaganda piece.
>
> I can't think of a single Hollywood war movie that didn't paint the U.S.
> military protagonist as a big hero and the "cause" as righteous. He
> enlists after seeing 9/11 on TV, to "defend freedom", no mention
> anywhere that his eventual deployment to Iraq had zero connection to
> 9/11 whatsoever.
You didn't see "Platoon" or "Full Metal Jacket" or "Apocalypse Now?"
> TruthSeeker wrote:
>> On 1/22/15 4:08 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>> ramashiva wrote:
>>>> "American Sniper" continues to play to packed theaters --
>>>
>>> Because people like war movies. I didn't think either movie was
>>> particularly memorable, but if I had to sit through either one again I
>>> would pick American Sniper. Despite being a blatant example of
>>> jingoistic pro-American war propaganda
>>
>> IOW, a reasonable, balanced and accurate telling of the story instead of
>> an anti-American and anti-military propaganda piece.
>
> I can't think of a single Hollywood war movie that didn't paint the U.S.
> military protagonist as a big hero and the "cause" as righteous. He
> enlists after seeing 9/11 on TV, to "defend freedom", no mention
> anywhere that his eventual deployment to Iraq had zero connection to
> 9/11 whatsoever.
Those are just three that came to mind immediately.
>>> and a rehash of better movies, it
>>> was pretty entertaining, Selma fell flat as a pancake. I'll be
>>> disappointed if either movie wins an Oscar, but not surprised.
>>
>> What Selma had going for it is Hollywood's love of PC movies, like
>> "Twelve Years a Slave" last year. Even so, neither the Director nor any
>> of the actors in it were nominated, which should tell you something. I
>> don't mean racism, I mean the quality of the movie.
>
> It just isn't a great film, but still a fascinating era in history.
people responsible for them, not for an era in history.
Dutch
Jan 23, 2015, 1:33:14 AM1/23/15
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Dutch
Jan 23, 2015, 1:44:49 AM1/23/15
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TruthSeeker wrote:
> On 1/22/15 9:16 PM, Dutch wrote:
>> TruthSeeker wrote:
>>> On 1/22/15 4:08 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>>> ramashiva wrote:
>>>>> "American Sniper" continues to play to packed theaters --
>>>>
>>>> Because people like war movies. I didn't think either movie was
>>>> particularly memorable, but if I had to sit through either one again I
>>>> would pick American Sniper. Despite being a blatant example of
>>>> jingoistic pro-American war propaganda
>>>
>>> IOW, a reasonable, balanced and accurate telling of the story instead of
>>> an anti-American and anti-military propaganda piece.
>>
>> I can't think of a single Hollywood war movie that didn't paint the U.S.
>> military protagonist as a big hero and the "cause" as righteous. He
>> enlists after seeing 9/11 on TV, to "defend freedom", no mention
>> anywhere that his eventual deployment to Iraq had zero connection to
>> 9/11 whatsoever.
>
> You didn't see "Platoon" or "Full Metal Jacket" or "Apocalypse Now?"
> Those are just three that came to mind immediately.
I'm talking about the post-truth era, since 9/11. Hurt Locker, Zero Dark
> On 1/22/15 9:16 PM, Dutch wrote:
>> TruthSeeker wrote:
>>> On 1/22/15 4:08 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>>> ramashiva wrote:
>>>>> "American Sniper" continues to play to packed theaters --
>>>>
>>>> Because people like war movies. I didn't think either movie was
>>>> particularly memorable, but if I had to sit through either one again I
>>>> would pick American Sniper. Despite being a blatant example of
>>>> jingoistic pro-American war propaganda
>>>
>>> IOW, a reasonable, balanced and accurate telling of the story instead of
>>> an anti-American and anti-military propaganda piece.
>>
>> I can't think of a single Hollywood war movie that didn't paint the U.S.
>> military protagonist as a big hero and the "cause" as righteous. He
>> enlists after seeing 9/11 on TV, to "defend freedom", no mention
>> anywhere that his eventual deployment to Iraq had zero connection to
>> 9/11 whatsoever.
>
> You didn't see "Platoon" or "Full Metal Jacket" or "Apocalypse Now?"
> Those are just three that came to mind immediately.
Thirty, Restrepo, Kornegal, Captain Philips, too many to list.
>
>>>> and a rehash of better movies, it
>>>> was pretty entertaining, Selma fell flat as a pancake. I'll be
>>>> disappointed if either movie wins an Oscar, but not surprised.
>>>
>>> What Selma had going for it is Hollywood's love of PC movies, like
>>> "Twelve Years a Slave" last year. Even so, neither the Director nor any
>>> of the actors in it were nominated, which should tell you something. I
>>> don't mean racism, I mean the quality of the movie.
>>
>> It just isn't a great film, but still a fascinating era in history.
>
> Oscars are supposed to be for great films or great achievements by the
> people responsible for them, not for an era in history.
Dutch
Jan 23, 2015, 1:55:55 AM1/23/15
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TruthSeeker wrote:
> IOW, a reasonable, balanced and accurate telling of the story instead of
> an anti-American and anti-military propaganda piece.
http://www.vox.com/2015/1/21/7641189/american-sniper-history
> IOW, a reasonable, balanced and accurate telling of the story instead of
> an anti-American and anti-military propaganda piece.
I just never expected the movie to be honest, I just wanted to be
entertained a bit, and I was..
Dutch
Jan 23, 2015, 1:58:55 AM1/23/15
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TruthSeeker wrote:
> non-PC movies that show the U.S. military in a good light.
That's a contradiction. Every war movie I've seen since 9/11 has painted
> non-PC movies that show the U.S. military in a good light.
the U.S. military in a positive light. THAT is pc nowadays.
risky biz
Jan 23, 2015, 2:16:06 AM1/23/15
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Clave
Jan 23, 2015, 2:19:57 AM1/23/15
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risky biz
Jan 23, 2015, 2:22:04 AM1/23/15
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On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 9:01:17 PM UTC-8, TruthSeeker wrote:
- an anti-American and anti-military propaganda piece.
- You didn't see "Platoon" or "Full Metal Jacket" or "Apocalypse Now?"
- Those are just three that came to mind immediately.
Briefly explain how:
1. Platoon
2. Full Metal Jacket
3. Apocalypse Now
. . . were anti-American.
Or does anti-war, for you, equal anti-American?
- an anti-American and anti-military propaganda piece.
- You didn't see "Platoon" or "Full Metal Jacket" or "Apocalypse Now?"
- Those are just three that came to mind immediately.
Briefly explain how:
1. Platoon
2. Full Metal Jacket
3. Apocalypse Now
. . . were anti-American.
Or does anti-war, for you, equal anti-American?
risky biz
Jan 23, 2015, 2:23:45 AM1/23/15
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ramashiva
Jan 23, 2015, 3:15:17 AM1/23/15
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On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 8:18:29 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> I can't think of a single Hollywood war movie that didn't paint the U.S.
> military protagonist as a big hero and the "cause" as righteous. He
> enlists after seeing 9/11 on TV, to "defend freedom",
False. Kyle enlisted in the Navy in 1999.
> I can't think of a single Hollywood war movie that didn't paint the U.S.
> military protagonist as a big hero and the "cause" as righteous. He
> enlists after seeing 9/11 on TV, to "defend freedom",
> no mention anywhere that his eventual deployment to Iraq had zero connection to 9/11 whatsoever.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Dutch
Jan 23, 2015, 3:39:28 AM1/23/15
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ramashiva wrote:
> On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 8:18:29 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
>
>> I can't think of a single Hollywood war movie that didn't paint the U.S.
>> military protagonist as a big hero and the "cause" as righteous. He
>> enlists after seeing 9/11 on TV, to "defend freedom",
>
> False. Kyle enlisted in the Navy in 1999.
In the movie he enlists after seeing 8/11 as many of us did, live on TV.
> On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 8:18:29 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
>
>> I can't think of a single Hollywood war movie that didn't paint the U.S.
>> military protagonist as a big hero and the "cause" as righteous. He
>> enlists after seeing 9/11 on TV, to "defend freedom",
>
> False. Kyle enlisted in the Navy in 1999.
You can see the light bulb come on, his life suddenly has a purpose.
>> no mention anywhere that his eventual deployment to Iraq had zero connection to 9/11 whatsoever.
>
> So what? The purpose of the movie is to tell Kyle's story, not the story of the Iraq War and how we got into it. And many people, including Kyle, did think there was a connection between 9/11 and the Iraq War.
amplifies it, it ignores Afghanistan completely.
Hey, I liked the movie, but it's a war movie, not a documentary.
Clave
Jan 23, 2015, 3:42:53 AM1/23/15
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> The purpose of the movie is to tell Kyle's story...
You poor naive boob.
The purpise of the movie is to MAKE MONEY. Romanticizing/fictionalizing
reality is how that's done, especially when it's about someone with some
mental infirmity.
ramashiva
Jan 23, 2015, 4:01:32 AM1/23/15
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On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 8:06:46 AM UTC-8, BillB wrote:
> On 22/01/2015 3:56 AM, ramashiva wrote:
> > "American Sniper" continues to play to packed theaters --
Please explain how you know this.
> They want the kids to learn about one of the great moments in American history,
You don't know the motives of the ticket donors, and neither do I. But why are you ascribing noble motives to the capitalist class? I thought you were a Marxist revolutionary.
> when, for once, good triumphed over evil.
Huh?
> Why do you have this vendetta against Selma?
I have no vendetta against "Selma", but I find considerable mirth in the discomfiture of you and others over the relative box office performances of the two movies.
> > Meanwhile, America-hating pantywaists wet themselves over the fake baby in "American Sniper", while ignoring the glaring historical inaccuracies of "Selma" --
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-movie-selma-has-a-glaring-historical-inaccuracy/2014/12/26/70ad3ea2-8aa4-11e4-a085-34e9b9f09a58_story.html
> > Yes, it is much worse to have a fake baby which appears onscreen for a few seconds than to completely misrepresent the relationship between MLK and LBJ.
> I didn't notice the fake baby, but there were a lot of really corny
> scenes. You don't think there are "historical inaccuracies" in American
> Sniper??
I wouldn't know, since I haven't seen the movie and I didn't serve in Iraq. I do know that several Iraq War veterans, including some who served with Kyle, have said that the movie is an accurate portrayal of combat conditions in Iraq and Kyle's role in that combat.
> The biggest flaw in American Sniper is that they totally glossed over
> his ironic death, which was an excellent, but wasted, opportunity to
> highlight the need for common sense gun regulations to help keep guns
> out of the hands of the mentally ill.
I haven't been able to determine whether Routh brought his own gun to the shooting range, or if Kyle or Littlefield gave Routh the gun. If the latter, the regulations you propose would have done nothing to prevent Kyle's tragic death.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
> On 22/01/2015 3:56 AM, ramashiva wrote:
> > "American Sniper" continues to play to packed theaters --
> > http://variety.com/2015/film/news/box-office-american-sniper-to-hold-off-johnny-depp-and-j-lo-1201410948/
> > While free tickets are given to schoolchildren in a desperate attempt to fill the empty seats in theaters showing "Selma" --
> > http://www.afro.com/black-leaders-raise-funds-for-free-student-admissions-to-selma/
> That's not why they are giving tickets to schoolchildren.
> > While free tickets are given to schoolchildren in a desperate attempt to fill the empty seats in theaters showing "Selma" --
> > http://www.afro.com/black-leaders-raise-funds-for-free-student-admissions-to-selma/
Please explain how you know this.
> They want the kids to learn about one of the great moments in American history,
You don't know the motives of the ticket donors, and neither do I. But why are you ascribing noble motives to the capitalist class? I thought you were a Marxist revolutionary.
> when, for once, good triumphed over evil.
Huh?
> Why do you have this vendetta against Selma?
I have no vendetta against "Selma", but I find considerable mirth in the discomfiture of you and others over the relative box office performances of the two movies.
> > Meanwhile, America-hating pantywaists wet themselves over the fake baby in "American Sniper", while ignoring the glaring historical inaccuracies of "Selma" --
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-movie-selma-has-a-glaring-historical-inaccuracy/2014/12/26/70ad3ea2-8aa4-11e4-a085-34e9b9f09a58_story.html
> > Yes, it is much worse to have a fake baby which appears onscreen for a few seconds than to completely misrepresent the relationship between MLK and LBJ.
> scenes. You don't think there are "historical inaccuracies" in American
> Sniper??
I wouldn't know, since I haven't seen the movie and I didn't serve in Iraq. I do know that several Iraq War veterans, including some who served with Kyle, have said that the movie is an accurate portrayal of combat conditions in Iraq and Kyle's role in that combat.
> The biggest flaw in American Sniper is that they totally glossed over
> his ironic death, which was an excellent, but wasted, opportunity to
> highlight the need for common sense gun regulations to help keep guns
> out of the hands of the mentally ill.
I haven't been able to determine whether Routh brought his own gun to the shooting range, or if Kyle or Littlefield gave Routh the gun. If the latter, the regulations you propose would have done nothing to prevent Kyle's tragic death.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
ramashiva
Jan 23, 2015, 4:20:30 AM1/23/15
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On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 12:39:28 AM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> ramashiva wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 8:18:29 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> >> I can't think of a single Hollywood war movie that didn't paint the U.S.
> >> military protagonist as a big hero and the "cause" as righteous. He
> >> enlists after seeing 9/11 on TV, to "defend freedom",
> > False. Kyle enlisted in the Navy in 1999.
> In the movie he enlists after seeing 8/11 as many of us did, live on TV.
I seriously doubt that, since the movie is based on Kyle's book, in which he states that he enlisted in the Navy in 1999.
> ramashiva wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 8:18:29 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> >> I can't think of a single Hollywood war movie that didn't paint the U.S.
> >> military protagonist as a big hero and the "cause" as righteous. He
> >> enlists after seeing 9/11 on TV, to "defend freedom",
> > False. Kyle enlisted in the Navy in 1999.
> In the movie he enlists after seeing 8/11 as many of us did, live on TV.
> You can see the light bulb come on, his life suddenly has a purpose.
> >> no mention anywhere that his eventual deployment to Iraq had zero connection to 9/11 whatsoever.
> > So what? The purpose of the movie is to tell Kyle's story, not the story of the Iraq War and how we got into it. And many people, including Kyle, did think there was a connection between 9/11 and the Iraq War.
> That's kind of my point. the movie portrays that false connection, even
> amplifies it,
The critics of "American Sniper" are grasping at straws.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Maverick
Jan 23, 2015, 4:21:35 AM1/23/15
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On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 3:56:31 AM UTC-8, ramashiva wrote:
> "American Sniper" continues to play to packed theaters --
>
> http://variety.com/2015/film/news/box-office-american-sniper-to-hold-off-johnny-depp-and-j-lo-1201410948/
>
> While free tickets are given to schoolchildren in a desperate attempt to fill the empty seats in theaters showing "Selma" --
>
> http://www.afro.com/black-leaders-raise-funds-for-free-student-admissions-to-selma/
>
> "American Sniper" continues to play to packed theaters --
>
> http://variety.com/2015/film/news/box-office-american-sniper-to-hold-off-johnny-depp-and-j-lo-1201410948/
>
> While free tickets are given to schoolchildren in a desperate attempt to fill the empty seats in theaters showing "Selma" --
>
> http://www.afro.com/black-leaders-raise-funds-for-free-student-admissions-to-selma/
>
> Meanwhile, America-hating pantywaists wet themselves over the fake baby in "American Sniper", while ignoring the glaring historical inaccuracies of "Selma" --
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-movie-selma-has-a-glaring-historical-inaccuracy/2014/12/26/70ad3ea2-8aa4-11e4-a085-34e9b9f09a58_story.html
>
> Yes, it is much worse to have a fake baby which appears onscreen for a few seconds than to completely misrepresent the relationship between MLK and LBJ.
>
>
> William Coleman (ramashiva)
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-movie-selma-has-a-glaring-historical-inaccuracy/2014/12/26/70ad3ea2-8aa4-11e4-a085-34e9b9f09a58_story.html
>
> Yes, it is much worse to have a fake baby which appears onscreen for a few seconds than to completely misrepresent the relationship between MLK and LBJ.
>
>
I want it known here that in highschool, I used to date the daughter of the Film Editor for American Sniper. LOL.
ramashiva
Jan 23, 2015, 4:33:02 AM1/23/15
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On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 1:21:35 AM UTC-8, Maverick wrote:
> I want it known here that in highschool, I used to date the daughter of the Film Editor for American Sniper. LOL.
You should try to score some free tickets.
> I want it known here that in highschool, I used to date the daughter of the Film Editor for American Sniper. LOL.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
VegasJerry
Jan 23, 2015, 10:08:37 AM1/23/15
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Glorifying war. The reason our government (Military industrial complex) backs these movies and help in their productions, (unless it's an anti-military movie). It's recruitment on steroids. "You, too, can be John Wayne!" Remember the pictures of Pat Tillman? Mr. Square Jaw, football playing, military hat down over one steely eye? And how he died a hero in the protection of his country?
It was a lie, written and directed by the military - he died by friendly fire -- more likely, murder. Murder, as in civilian life, happens a lot in the military. My own division murdered one of our marines, just because he ratted out some fellow marines for rustling a local cow from a local (this was in the Philippines) and hanging it in the mess hall. They wouldn't share the meat with the rest of us so this guy ratted 'em out. They drowned him in the jungle in a practice exercise. I had to help retreave the body.
Governments need cannon fodder and recruitment has always been a problem. Bush couldn't create a Draft (too many Vietnam memories), so he glorifies troops, designs new medals for your chest, fancier hats and spiffier uniforms. Toss in lowering the recruitment standards, "Okay, so you've had a few felonies and used drugs, that's okay." Increase the signing bonus to $20,000. Make sure the job market is bad. Increase "Re-up" money. Appeal to patriotism (While Bush tries hiding the fact he was a draft dodger and went AWOL).
Making a hero of this sniper, and Pat Tillman, and refusing to allow pictures of body bags being unloaded from large, flying, military hearse. It's all a part of trying to get you to support money-making wars and maybe even get you into uniform. "Hey! Wanna go fight ISIS?"
Jerry (a vet) 'n Vegas
da pickle
Jan 23, 2015, 10:45:16 AM1/23/15
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On 1/23/2015 12:42 AM, Dutch wrote:
>>> I can't think of a single Hollywood war movie that didn't paint the U.S.
>>> military protagonist as a big hero and the "cause" as righteous.
Captain Phillips .... war movie ... LOL
>>> I can't think of a single Hollywood war movie that didn't paint the U.S.
>>> military protagonist as a big hero and the "cause" as righteous.
Pepe Papon
Jan 24, 2015, 1:46:44 AM1/24/15
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 07:27:52 -0800 (PST), observant lurker
<micha...@cox.net> wrote:
>What a waste of time and money sitting in a theater watching some half ass civil rights movie. I'm white; not black. I don't give a fuck about Selma or MLK, the same way blacks don't give a fuck about the white man.
What a deep thinker you are.
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Pepe Papon
<micha...@cox.net> wrote:
>What a waste of time and money sitting in a theater watching some half ass civil rights movie. I'm white; not black. I don't give a fuck about Selma or MLK, the same way blacks don't give a fuck about the white man.
What a deep thinker you are.
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risky biz
Jan 24, 2015, 2:03:07 AM1/24/15
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On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 7:28:01 AM UTC-8, observant lurker wrote:
I'm white; not black. I don't give a fuck about Selma or MLK, the same way blacks don't give a fuck about the white man.
I have an intuition that there are a lot of white people who don't give a fuck about you.
I'm white; not black. I don't give a fuck about Selma or MLK, the same way blacks don't give a fuck about the white man.
Mossingen
Jan 24, 2015, 3:53:09 PM1/24/15
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I have to agree with William here, BillB. Selma is a box office dud. I am
looking forward to seeing American Sniper, though.
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I have to agree with William here, BillB. Selma is a box office dud. I am
looking forward to seeing American Sniper, though.
Clave
Jan 24, 2015, 4:06:27 PM1/24/15
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> I have to agree with William here, BillB. Selma is a box office dud...
A movie that makes near twice its production budget in a single month may
not be the next "Avatar", but "box office dud" is hardly an accurate
characterization.
Paul Popinjay
Jan 24, 2015, 5:01:46 PM1/24/15
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On Saturday, January 24, 2015 at 1:06:27 PM UTC-8, Clave wrote:
>
> A movie that makes near twice its production budget in a single month may
> not be the next "Avatar", but "box office dud" is hardly an accurate
> characterization.
Why are you so obsessed with defending Selma? You haven't missed a chance, you phony cocksucker.
>
> A movie that makes near twice its production budget in a single month may
> not be the next "Avatar", but "box office dud" is hardly an accurate
> characterization.
Pepe Papon
Jan 25, 2015, 1:09:18 AM1/25/15
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ramashiva
Jan 25, 2015, 2:19:44 AM1/25/15
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On Saturday, January 24, 2015 at 2:01:46 PM UTC-8, Paul Popinjay wrote:
> Why are you so obsessed with defending Selma?
Because his panties are twisted in a knot. "Selma" is a box office dud. Clave knows it. Bradley knows it. It's grossed less than $40 million, and it won't be in theaters much longer.
> Why are you so obsessed with defending Selma?
William Coleman (ramashiva)
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Jan 25, 2015, 3:11:21 AM1/25/15
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Costing only $20M, you have a strange, racist idea of success.
ramashiva
Jan 25, 2015, 3:38:15 AM1/25/15
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On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 12:11:21 AM UTC-8, Clave wrote:
> Costing only $20M,
That's production costs, numbnuts. You think distribution and advertising are free???
> you have a strange, racist idea of success.
What the fuck does this have to do with racism??? Your panties really are twisted in a knot.
Here are the latest box office numbers --
http://deadline.com/2015/01/american-sniper-to-take-out-new-films-by-jennifer-lopez-johnny-depp-george-lucas-box-office-preview-1201354871/
Projected cumulative total at the end of this weekend --
"American Sniper" -- $197.7 million
"Selma" -- $39.45 million
Less than $40 million for "Selma", and not all of that money is revenue to the movie's backers.
So your panties are so twisted in a knot that you think I am a racist for not calling those numbers a success?
Get it fixed.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
> Costing only $20M,
That's production costs, numbnuts. You think distribution and advertising are free???
> you have a strange, racist idea of success.
Here are the latest box office numbers --
http://deadline.com/2015/01/american-sniper-to-take-out-new-films-by-jennifer-lopez-johnny-depp-george-lucas-box-office-preview-1201354871/
Projected cumulative total at the end of this weekend --
"American Sniper" -- $197.7 million
"Selma" -- $39.45 million
Less than $40 million for "Selma", and not all of that money is revenue to the movie's backers.
So your panties are so twisted in a knot that you think I am a racist for not calling those numbers a success?
Get it fixed.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Clave
Jan 25, 2015, 3:48:04 AM1/25/15
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minimal. Feel free to quote numbers proving me wrong.
>> you have a strange, racist idea of success.
>
> What the fuck does this have to do with racism?
Not racism in general, just yours.
I don't see any other reason you have such a hard-on against "Selma"'s
relatively modest success.
It kind of dovetails with your propensity to use the word "nigger" in other
threads more often than is really necessary to make any kind of rhetorical
point -- you seem to just enjoy typing the word and posting it.
> On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 12:11:21 AM UTC-8, Clave wrote:
>
>> Costing only $20M,
>
> That's production costs, numbnuts. You think distribution and advertising
> are free???
I think distribution and advertising for this particular movie are pretty
>
>> Costing only $20M,
>
> That's production costs, numbnuts. You think distribution and advertising
> are free???
minimal. Feel free to quote numbers proving me wrong.
>> you have a strange, racist idea of success.
>
> What the fuck does this have to do with racism?
I don't see any other reason you have such a hard-on against "Selma"'s
relatively modest success.
It kind of dovetails with your propensity to use the word "nigger" in other
threads more often than is really necessary to make any kind of rhetorical
point -- you seem to just enjoy typing the word and posting it.
Clave
Jan 25, 2015, 5:44:25 AM1/25/15
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What a pair of clowns.
ramashiva
Jan 25, 2015, 7:27:27 AM1/25/15
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On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 12:48:04 AM UTC-8, Clave wrote:
> I think distribution and advertising for this particular movie are pretty
> minimal. Feel free to quote numbers proving me wrong.
O I C. I have to provide facts to refute your opinion, which is unsupported by any facts.
> I think distribution and advertising for this particular movie are pretty
> minimal. Feel free to quote numbers proving me wrong.
> >> you have a strange, racist idea of success.
> > What the fuck does this have to do with racism?
> Not racism in general, just yours.
> I don't see any other reason you have such a hard-on against "Selma"'s
> relatively modest success.
And LOL @ "modest success". "Selma" is not a success in any way, shape, or form. It's a box office dud which is unlikely to show a profit when all costs are accounted for.
> It kind of dovetails with your propensity to use the word "nigger" in other
> threads more often than is really necessary to make any kind of rhetorical
> point --
> you seem to just enjoy typing the word and posting it.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Clave
Jan 25, 2015, 7:55:41 AM1/25/15
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1.2
VegasJerry
Jan 25, 2015, 9:05:14 AM1/25/15
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WTF difference does it matter how much these movies made? You're judging quality, truth, entertainment and relevance to dollars? What about those that spent that money and wish they hadn't?
You're the same folks that cry, "More people watch Fox News Channel (because of football), so that means more people watch the actual news, so that means Fox is actually fair and balanced, so that means Fox tells the truth, so that means President Obama wasn't born in America, so I told you so!"
Get the fuck outta here with your sniveling whining. It's a movie.
Jerry (not moved) 'n Vegas
You're the same folks that cry, "More people watch Fox News Channel (because of football), so that means more people watch the actual news, so that means Fox is actually fair and balanced, so that means Fox tells the truth, so that means President Obama wasn't born in America, so I told you so!"
Get the fuck outta here with your sniveling whining. It's a movie.
Jerry (not moved) 'n Vegas
da pickle
Jan 25, 2015, 11:04:13 AM1/25/15
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ramashiva
Jan 25, 2015, 12:43:41 PM1/25/15
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On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 8:04:13 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
> ngcfc
Did you notice it took 28 minutes for Clave to reply to me? I wonder what took so long. Maybe he took a break for cookies and ice cream.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
> ngcfc
Did you notice it took 28 minutes for Clave to reply to me? I wonder what took so long. Maybe he took a break for cookies and ice cream.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Paul Popinjay
Jan 25, 2015, 2:10:36 PM1/25/15
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ramashiva
Jan 25, 2015, 2:46:28 PM1/25/15
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On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 11:10:36 AM UTC-8, Paul Popinjay wrote:
> I wouldn't call his "1.2" a real reply. Looks like he's running out of steam.
One, two. Buckle my shoe.
> I wouldn't call his "1.2" a real reply. Looks like he's running out of steam.
Three, four. Go to the store.
Five, six. Pick up sticks.
Seven, eight. Don't be late.
Nine, ten. Do it again.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Clave
Jan 25, 2015, 8:28:33 PM1/25/15
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Concession accepted.
And nice to know you think of me when I'm not around.
> On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 8:04:13 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
>
>> ngcfc
>
> Did you notice it took 28 minutes...
>
>> ngcfc
>
Concession accepted.
And nice to know you think of me when I'm not around.
ramashiva
Jan 25, 2015, 9:58:20 PM1/25/15
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On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 5:28:33 PM UTC-8, Clave wrote:
> Concession accepted.
Yes, proclaim victory after getting your clock cleaned.
> And nice to know you think of me when I'm not around.
I don't. I was merely commenting on the unusually long period of time it took you to reply. Normally, you are sitting there obsessively refreshing RGP.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
> Concession accepted.
Yes, proclaim victory after getting your clock cleaned.
> And nice to know you think of me when I'm not around.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Clave
Jan 25, 2015, 10:11:43 PM1/25/15
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Yes, mooing concurrence from the likes of Polly Pickle and Pop-Tard really
dotted your rhetorical 'i'.
LOFL.
It's an old, yet reliable Usenet truism -- the amount of "clock cleaning"
done by any particular poster is inversely proportional to said poster's
insistence on having done such.
> On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 5:28:33 PM UTC-8, Clave wrote:
>
>> Concession accepted.
>
> Yes, proclaim victory after getting your clock cleaned...
>
>> Concession accepted.
>
Yes, mooing concurrence from the likes of Polly Pickle and Pop-Tard really
dotted your rhetorical 'i'.
LOFL.
It's an old, yet reliable Usenet truism -- the amount of "clock cleaning"
done by any particular poster is inversely proportional to said poster's
insistence on having done such.
ramashiva
Jan 25, 2015, 10:39:30 PM1/25/15
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On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 7:11:43 PM UTC-8, Clave wrote:
> "ramashiva" <ramas...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:27ea44d3-fd8d-4aa2...@googlegroups.com...
> > On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 5:28:33 PM UTC-8, Clave wrote:
> >> Concession accepted.
> > Yes, proclaim victory after getting your clock cleaned...
> Yes, mooing concurrence from the likes of Polly Pickle and Pop-Tard really dotted your rhetorical 'i'.
The thread speaks for itself. Comments by Popinjay and Pickle are irrelevant.
> "ramashiva" <ramas...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:27ea44d3-fd8d-4aa2...@googlegroups.com...
> > On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 5:28:33 PM UTC-8, Clave wrote:
> >> Concession accepted.
> > Yes, proclaim victory after getting your clock cleaned...
> Yes, mooing concurrence from the likes of Polly Pickle and Pop-Tard really dotted your rhetorical 'i'.
> LOFL.
> It's an old, yet reliable Usenet truism -- the amount of "clock cleaning"
> done by any particular poster is inversely proportional to said poster's
> insistence on having done such.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Clave
Jan 25, 2015, 11:09:51 PM1/25/15
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repeated use of your "panties in a knot" argument. Some pretty heavyweight
rhetorical clock-cleaning material there, I must say.
> Comments by Popinjay and Pickle are irrelevant.
Almost always. Funny how they came running to get your back though.
>> LOFL.
>
>> It's an old, yet reliable Usenet truism -- the amount of "clock cleaning"
>> done by any particular poster is inversely proportional to said poster's
>> insistence on having done such.
>
> Maybe you missed it, but you were the first to claim victory with
> "Concession accepted".
I understand your need to believe that's the same thing as your braggadouche
claim of "clock cleaning". I'd explain the semantic difference to you, but
you're already so far into your stuffed shirt act that you'd refuse to admit
it even to yourself.
> On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 7:11:43 PM UTC-8, Clave wrote:
>
>> "ramashiva" <ramas...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:27ea44d3-fd8d-4aa2...@googlegroups.com...
>
>> > On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 5:28:33 PM UTC-8, Clave wrote:
>
>> >> Concession accepted.
>
>> > Yes, proclaim victory after getting your clock cleaned...
>
>> Yes, mooing concurrence from the likes of Polly Pickle and Pop-Tard
>> really dotted your rhetorical 'i'.
>
> The thread speaks for itself.
Yep -- you pretty much reinforced or ignored everything I said, relying on
>
>> "ramashiva" <ramas...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:27ea44d3-fd8d-4aa2...@googlegroups.com...
>
>> > On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 5:28:33 PM UTC-8, Clave wrote:
>
>> >> Concession accepted.
>
>> > Yes, proclaim victory after getting your clock cleaned...
>
>> Yes, mooing concurrence from the likes of Polly Pickle and Pop-Tard
>> really dotted your rhetorical 'i'.
>
> The thread speaks for itself.
repeated use of your "panties in a knot" argument. Some pretty heavyweight
rhetorical clock-cleaning material there, I must say.
> Comments by Popinjay and Pickle are irrelevant.
>> LOFL.
>
>> It's an old, yet reliable Usenet truism -- the amount of "clock cleaning"
>> done by any particular poster is inversely proportional to said poster's
>> insistence on having done such.
>
> Maybe you missed it, but you were the first to claim victory with
> "Concession accepted".
claim of "clock cleaning". I'd explain the semantic difference to you, but
you're already so far into your stuffed shirt act that you'd refuse to admit
it even to yourself.
TruthSeeker
Jan 25, 2015, 11:36:05 PM1/25/15
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response as "conceding" or lack of response as "running away."
--
Truthseeker
"Je suis Charlie."
Clave
Jan 25, 2015, 11:56:16 PM1/25/15
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exception that proves the rule -- when people claim to have bitch-slapped
*YOU*, or that you've conceded or run away from issues, they're usually
right.
Paul Popinjay
Jan 26, 2015, 12:11:36 AM1/26/15
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On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 8:36:05 PM UTC-8, TruthSeeker wrote:
>
> Also such claims as "bitch slapped" and misrepresenting someone's
> response as "conceding" or lack of response as "running away."
>
Omg, you're not still crying about being accused of running away, when you DID run away, after the "Ron Paul incident", are you? Give it a rest. After all, nobody has brought it up in ages.
>
> Also such claims as "bitch slapped" and misrepresenting someone's
> response as "conceding" or lack of response as "running away."
>
da pickle
Jan 26, 2015, 8:07:03 AM1/26/15
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da pickle
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