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[halfpastdead9]

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[Mossingen]

"halfpastdead9" wrote in message
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>2 1/2


Do you have a girlfriend or something who is a SJW snowflake that has skewed
your perspective on politics? There is no scenario where Trump would resign
the Presidency, not this week, not ever. I get it that you don't like the
guy, but the fact he is governing in a way that is different than we are
accustomed to seeing in the presidency does not make every unusual posture
or policy statement by President Trump an incident where he will resign.

You sound like Rachel Maddow lecturing us again on how it is mathematically
impossible for Trump to win. Trump is a different creature. Crises and
situations that might make others resign do not affect him. He doesn't care
about protocol, tradition, or how things are usually done.

[Clave]

"Mossingen" <jhan...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> "halfpastdead9" wrote in message
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>
>>2 1/2
>
>
> Do you have a girlfriend or something who is a SJW snowflake that has
> skewed your perspective on politics? There is no scenario where Trump
> would resign the Presidency, not this week, not ever. I get it that you
> don't like the guy, but the fact he is governing in a way that is
> different than we are accustomed to seeing in the presidency does not make
> every unusual posture or policy statement by President Trump an incident
> where he will resign.

Firing Comey could certainly turn into obstruction of justice which,
incidentally, was the first charge in Nixon's Articles of Impeachment.

But it's all academic -- T-Rump could sell Alaska back to the Russians for a
happy meal and the GOP house wouldn't make the slightest move to impeach.

[halfpastdead9]

Ill take 3-1 on 500 that Trump doesnt complete his first and only term . And if he lasts that long I will let you out for 700 in 2018 when the Repugs get slaughtered

[Bill Vanek]

On Thu, 11 May 2017 20:04:56 -0700 (PDT), halfpastdead9
<fttja...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 9:06:20 PM UTC-5, Mossingen wrote:

>Ill take 3-1 on 500 that Trump doesnt complete his first and only term .

His first term ends Friday?

[Dutch]

Mossingen wrote:
> He doesn't care about protocol, tradition, or how things are usually done.

Like not lying his ass off constantly.

[Mossingen]

"halfpastdead9" wrote in message
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On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 9:06:20 PM UTC-5, Mossingen wrote:

Ill take 3-1 on 500 that Trump doesnt complete his first and only term .

_______________________


I might take that. "Doesn't complete" for any reason? As far as I know his
health is OK, he won't resign, and impeachment is a pipedream.

In fact, I will take that. Do we have a bet?

[Dutch]

Mossingen wrote:
> impeachment is a pipedream.

Not based on the facts, but because the Republicans control congress.
That could change in 2018. At the rate the wheels are falling off the
clown car it should be no worse than an even bet after that.

[popinjay]

Watching a clip of Trump answering press questions yesterday about the Comey firing and as the camera pans back you can see Henry Kissinger sitting in the room with him. This is so unbelievably bad. That is like, Swamp times Ten. Now that Rockefeller has croaked, Super K could be at the very top. I did not vote for that.

[popinjay]

I think you are mistaken, it's the democrats' wagon that has lost its wheels.

[Mossingen]

"popinjay" wrote in message
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>Watching a clip of Trump answering press questions yesterday about the
>Comey firing and as the camera pans back you can see Henry Kissinger
>sitting in the room with him. This is so >unbelievably bad. That is like,
>Swamp times Ten. Now that Rockefeller has croaked, Super K could be at the
>very top. I did not vote for that.

Kissinger is 93 years old, dude. Don't sweat it.

[Clave]

"Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote in message
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The bet is far from even, Canadian.

House impeachment doesn't equal a Senate conviction/removal, even on the
slim chance the Democrats take both houses in 2018.

Could happen, but I wouldn't bet a dime on it.

[Clave]

"Mossingen" <jhan...@cox.net> wrote in message

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What a shame he lasted this long without serving time for his war crimes.

[popinjay]

Rockefeller was 101, so what. Do you think he wasn't in control when he died?

I have a video of Pope Frances bowing his head and kissing the hands of Rockefeller, Kissinger, and one of the Rothchilds. I'm running to the casino now or I'd find it.

The oddest thing about Kissinger is that he was reliably identified by a defecting member of the Tsar's family that survived as once a mediocre KGB agent, by the code name Bore. Not even a high ranking agent. He used the word "mediocre". Fast forward to the man who threw the Vietnam War to the other side, this man had, and has, enormous power. Either Trump has sought him out, or more likely, the other way around. Bad bad bad, either way you look at it.

[popinjay]

War crimes is an understatement, reserved for mediocre students of history, like you, fuckface.

I said the same about Fidel Castro. Where were you? Phony.

[Dutch]

The Democrats are a freight train heading right for Trump and his
cronies. He bit off more than he can chew this time.

[Dutch]

I can dream. I want to see that fat fuck taken down sooooo bad.

[Clave]

"Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote in message

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Lemme put this gently.

Pence would become President. Think about that.

Ryan would become President if T-Rump and Pence were not available. Think
about that.

[Clave]

"Clave" <cla...@themonastery.com> wrote in message
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Which reminds me -- I haven't watched this week's "Designated Survivor" yet.

[Dutch]

My dream just became a nightmare..

[Clave]

"Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote in message

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Yeah, well we're akll living it.

[VegasJerry]

All the President’s Lies

David Leonhardt MARCH 20, 2017

nytimes.com | March 20, 2017

The ninth week of Donald Trump’s presidency began with the F.B.I. director calling him a liar.

The director, the very complicated James Comey, didn’t use the L-word in his congressional testimony Monday. Comey serves at the pleasure of the president, after all. But his meaning was clear as could be. Trump has repeatedly accused Barack Obama of wiretapping his phones, and Comey explained there is “no information that supports” the claim.

I’ve previously argued that not every untruth deserves to be branded with the L-word, because it implies intent and somebody can state an untruth without doing so knowingly. George W. Bush didn’t lie when he said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, and Obama didn’t lie when he said people who liked their current health insurance could keep it. They made careless statements that proved false (and they deserved much of the criticism they got).

But the current president of the United States lies. He lies in ways that no American politician ever has before. He has lied about — among many other things — Obama’s birthplace, John F. Kennedy’s assassination, Sept. 11, the Iraq War, ISIS, NATO, military veterans, Mexican immigrants, Muslim immigrants, anti-Semitic attacks, the unemployment rate, the murder rate, the Electoral College, voter fraud and his groping of women.

He tells so many untruths that it’s time to leave behind the textual parsing over which are unwitting and which are deliberate — as well as the condescending notion that most of Trump’s supporters enjoy his lies.

Trump sets out to deceive people. As he has put it, “I play to people’s fantasies.”

Caveat emptor: When Donald Trump says something happened, it should not change anyone’s estimation of whether the event actually happened. Maybe it did, maybe it didn’t. His claim doesn’t change the odds.

Which brings us to Russia.

Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential campaign was an attack on the United States. It’s the kind of national-security matter that a president and members of Congress swear to treat with utmost seriousness when they take the oath of office. Yet now it has become the subject of an escalating series of lies by the president and the people who work for him.

As Comey was acknowledging on Monday that the F.B.I. was investigating possible collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign, Trump was lying about it. From both his personal Twitter account and the White House account, he told untruths.

A few hours later, his press secretary, Sean Spicer, went before the cameras and lied about the closeness between Trump and various aides who have documented Russian ties. Do you remember Paul Manafort, the chairman of Trump’s campaign, who ran the crucial delegate-counting operation? Spicer said Manafort had a “very limited role” in said campaign.

The big question now is not what Trump and the White House are saying about the Russia story. They will evidently say anything. The questions are what really happened and who can uncover the truth.

The House of Representatives, unfortunately, will not be doing so. I was most saddened during Comey’s testimony not by the White House’s response, which I’ve come to expect, but by the Republican House members questioning him. They are members of a branch of government that the Constitution holds as equal to the presidency, but they acted like Trump staff members, decrying leaks about Russia’s attack rather than the attack itself. The Watergate equivalent is claiming that Deep Throat was worse than Haldeman, Ehrlichman and Nixon.

It fell to Adam Schiff, a Democratic representative from Southern California, to lay out the suspicious ties between Trump and Russia (while also hinting he couldn’t describe some classified details). Schiff did so in a calm, nine-minute monologue that’s worth watching. He walked through pro-Putin payments to Michael Flynn and through another Trump’s aide’s advance notice of John Podesta’s hacked email and through the mysterious struggle over the Republican Party platform on Ukraine.

“Is it possible that all of these events and reports are completely unrelated, and nothing more than an entirely unhappy coincidence? Yes, it is possible,” Schiff said. “But it is also possible, maybe more than possible, that they are not coincidental, not disconnected and not unrelated, and that the Russians used the same techniques to corrupt U.S. persons that they have employed in Europe and elsewhere. We simply don’t know, not yet, and we owe it to the country to find out.”

Comey, as much as liberals may loathe him for his 2016 bungling, seems to be one of the few public officials with the ability and willingness to pursue the truth. I dearly hope that Republican members of the Senate are patriotic enough to do so as well.

Our president is a liar, and we need to find out how serious his latest lies are.

© 2017 The New York Times Company

[popinjay]

So, before Clave told you those elementary facts, you made your opinion without even taking those into consideration? You are a dumb mutherfucker.

[VegasJerry]

It’s the Trump Campaign (which includes Pence) that’s being investigated. If Trump is impeached, wouldn’t it be the campaign (members) itself (including Pence) that’s impeached and indicted? They have enough on Flynn and his obvious violations to force him to (make a deal) talk. They’ve shown where Pence lied about what he knew (not under oath, but in talking to the press). Pence would be a part of the (co-)conspiracy.

Even if Flynn states that Trump (campaign) told him to offer a deal to the Russians (Flynn: “Trump says that if you help “us” win, we [Trump Campaign, and eventual Presidential Staff] will remove sanctions”) Trump is the campaign and Pence should go down as a part of the conspiracy charge.

In this way, Pence would NOT become President. Who should? House Speaker (Ryan) I believe is next in line. Not much better than Pence either, but I would think the election results could be ‘voided.’ (Talking off the top of my head on all this), including voiding Trump’s SC appointment. Perhaps the election is thrown to the Supreme Court (8) to decide on the next President (like when they – the Right wing SC – appointed Bush President of the United States over Gore, even though Gore – like Hillary – had more votes).

I haven’t heard what the eventual scenario would be or how the dominoes would fall. But you can bet the Republicans (Ryan, McConnell) have. They would like nothing better than to have an unruly Trump (kind of a Democrat) kicked out because they would love having a President Pence (a Republican) working with them and their agenda.

What'd ya think about that?

Jerry (shooting in the dark) 'n Vegas

[halfpastdead9]

Your 1500 to my 500. You are laying me 3 to 1. If Trump is still the president on Jan19th, 2021.. you win . If for any other reason anyone else is named as "President of the United States" before then or on that date.. you lose .

we have a bet

he is over 70 years old and his diet is HORRIBLE. His health was vouched for by Reverend Jim from the Taxi show. He has already stated that he hates the job. he will absolutely be "impeached" , though he might not be discharged.
Unless he comletely changes his ObamaCare obsession , the 2018 elections will be a total "slaughter" for the Repugs

[Dutch]

I knew it, I was just describing my horror. If they reanimated Josef
Stalin and made him vice president I'd still want trump impeached.

[popinjay]

No, I don't think you knew it. Because of your response to Clave's information, you said, "My dream JUST became a nightmare". Emphasis added to "JUST". In other words, I'm right, you didn't know fuck until Clave told you fuck. Why do you want to lie to me, Dutch?

[risky biz]

On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 7:06:20 PM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:
> "halfpastdead9" wrote in message
> news:f7ef846b-d7d9-4b7c...@googlegroups.com...
>
> >2 1/2
>
>
> Do you have a girlfriend or something who is a SJW snowflake that has skewed
> your perspective on politics? There is no scenario where Trump would resign
> the Presidency, not this week, not ever. I get it that you don't like the
> guy, but the fact he is governing in a way that is different than we are
> accustomed to seeing in the presidency does not make every unusual posture
> or policy statement by President Trump an incident where he will resign.
>
> You sound like Rachel Maddow lecturing us again on how it is mathematically
> impossible for Trump to win. Trump is a different creature. Crises and
> situations that might make others resign do not affect him. He doesn't care
> about protocol, tradition, or how things are usually done.

In other words- he behaves like a four-year-old which is not something we're accustomed to seeing in the office of President? How could anyone disagree with this insightful thought of yours? I'm only surprised you haven't noticed most other Americans thinking this thought quite a number of weeks ago.

[Mossingen]

"halfpastdead9" wrote in message
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Your 1500 to my 500. You are laying me 3 to 1. If Trump is still the
president on Jan19th, 2021.. you win . If for any other reason anyone else
is named as "President of the United States" before then or on that date..
you lose .

we have a bet

he is over 70 years old and his diet is HORRIBLE. His health was vouched for
by Reverend Jim from the Taxi show. He has already stated that he hates the
job. he will absolutely be "impeached" , though he might not be discharged.
Unless he comletely changes his ObamaCare obsession , the 2018 elections
will be a total "slaughter" for the Repugs

_____________________


OK, we have action.

I think you're betting with your heart here rather than your head...but
we'll see.

[popinjay]

On Friday, May 12, 2017 at 6:07:17 PM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:



>
> I think you're betting with your heart here rather than your head...but
> we'll see.

That's funny. He has neither.

[halfpastdead9]

we have action

[halfpastdead9]

On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 9:34:25 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> "Mossingen" <jhan...@cox.net> wrote in message

> news:of354i$kgl$1...@dont-email.me...
> > "halfpastdead9" wrote in message

> > news:f7ef846b-d7d9-4b7c...@googlegroups.com...
> >
> >>2 1/2
> >
> >
> > Do you have a girlfriend or something who is a SJW snowflake that has
> > skewed your perspective on politics? There is no scenario where Trump
> > would resign the Presidency, not this week, not ever. I get it that you
> > don't like the guy, but the fact he is governing in a way that is
> > different than we are accustomed to seeing in the presidency does not make
> > every unusual posture or policy statement by President Trump an incident
> > where he will resign.
>

> Firing Comey could certainly turn into obstruction of justice which,
> incidentally, was the first charge in Nixon's Articles of Impeachment.
>
> But it's all academic -- T-Rump could sell Alaska back to the Russians for a
> happy meal and the GOP house wouldn't make the slightest move to impeach.

Republican Senators wont take this stench for much longer

[Clave]

"halfpastdead9" <fttja...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I understand the sentiment, but the Senate can't do anything toward removal
until the house impeaches. Really, the only move the Senate has (to govern
T-Rump) right now is to simply shut down the legislative process --
everything -- until such time as an acceptable independent prosecutor is
appointed.

That's actually close to happening.

Then there's always the 25th, but his cabinet is not going to remove him any
more than the House is going to impeach. They'll quit or be fired, but
they're not going to act en masse against him. Someone that rich and that
demented can fuck with your life even as a civilian.

[VegasJerry]

Then there’s the JFK method…

[VegasJerry]

I say that because if Trump was suddenly – not in the picture – (you know, like, say he died or something…) that could let the Republicans end the investigation (as long as there wasn’t an independent prosecutor insisting on exposing the campaign’s conspiracy – which would impeach VP Pence) and Vice President Pence, an actual Republican, would be President. The Republicans could dust off their hands and say, “That’s over.” With Pence, the real Republican agenda could be completed.

Presently, as I pointed out in another thread, the conclusion of the investigation could find the Trump Campaign was guilty and all members co-conspirators, which would impeach Vice President Pence and, rather than The Speaker taking over, (could) toss the Presidency to the SCOTUS. Could Trump’s SC pick be invalided because he was picked by Trump? Would a 4-4 SC appoint Hillary ‘By Default.’ The SC appointed Bush President, even though he got less votes than Gore.

Makes quite a mess. The JFK Solution gets rid of all those messy speculations.

Jerry (I’m just saying) ‘n Vegas

[halfpastdead9]

On Friday, May 12, 2017 at 8:07:17 PM UTC-5, Mossingen wrote:

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