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jmcquown
Jun 21, 2017, 10:36:14 AM6/21/17
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Except as a child, I've never really cared for sweets. I didn't grow up
having dessert with every meal. As such, I never quite understood the
notion of having a slice of cake or pie after dinner. Dessert menu in a
restaurant? I'll pass.
These days, however, I find myself wanting a couple of cookies or a
scoop of ice cream in the evening after dinner. Suddenly I love sweets!
There are a lot of articles online about this. Here's one:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/05/05/526750174/why-taste-buds-dull-as-we-age
When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It didn't help
that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong with her pot roast,
mashed potatoes and green beans. But she never really made much use of
herbs and spices. On some level I realized he didn't want to eat
because he couldn't really taste it. Had to kick things up a notch, so
to speak.
Have your tastes in food changed as you get older?
Jill
having dessert with every meal. As such, I never quite understood the
notion of having a slice of cake or pie after dinner. Dessert menu in a
restaurant? I'll pass.
These days, however, I find myself wanting a couple of cookies or a
scoop of ice cream in the evening after dinner. Suddenly I love sweets!
There are a lot of articles online about this. Here's one:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/05/05/526750174/why-taste-buds-dull-as-we-age
When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It didn't help
that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong with her pot roast,
mashed potatoes and green beans. But she never really made much use of
herbs and spices. On some level I realized he didn't want to eat
because he couldn't really taste it. Had to kick things up a notch, so
to speak.
Have your tastes in food changed as you get older?
Jill
Dave Smith
Jun 21, 2017, 11:03:30 AM6/21/17
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On 2017-06-21 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> Except as a child, I've never really cared for sweets. I didn't grow
> up having dessert with every meal. As such, I never quite understood
> the notion of having a slice of cake or pie after dinner. Dessert
> menu in a restaurant? I'll pass.
I have always liked to have dessert, but things that are really sweet I
> Except as a child, I've never really cared for sweets. I didn't grow
> up having dessert with every meal. As such, I never quite understood
> the notion of having a slice of cake or pie after dinner. Dessert
> menu in a restaurant? I'll pass.
eat only in small amounts. I eat a square of dark chocolate every few
days, but just one square. I rarely eat candies. Yet, dessert remains
an important element of a meal for me.
> These days, however, I find myself wanting a couple of cookies or a
> scoop of ice cream in the evening after dinner. Suddenly I love
> sweets!
>
> There are a lot of articles online about this. Here's one:
>
> http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/05/05/526750174/why-taste-buds-dull-as-we-age
>
>
>
> When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It didn't
> help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong with her pot
> roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she never really made
> much use of herbs and spices. On some level I realized he didn't
> want to eat because he couldn't really taste it. Had to kick things
> up a notch, so to speak.
>
> Have your tastes in food changed as you get older?
squash and yams. I like carrots less than I did when I was young. I like
fish a lot more than I used to, but that may be because I learned how to
cook it better. I used to despise Brussels Sprouts, but now that I have
them barely cooked they are quite good. I like a lot more herbs and
spices that I used to. I learned to like lamb, and to eat beef rare.
jmcquown
Jun 21, 2017, 11:37:39 AM6/21/17
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On 6/21/2017 11:04 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-06-21 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> Except as a child, I've never really cared for sweets. I didn't grow
>> up having dessert with every meal. As such, I never quite understood
>> the notion of having a slice of cake or pie after dinner. Dessert
>> menu in a restaurant? I'll pass.
>
> I have always liked to have dessert, but things that are really sweet I
> eat only in small amounts. I eat a square of dark chocolate every few
> days, but just one square. I rarely eat candies. Yet, dessert remains
> an important element of a meal for me.
>
I keep some small wrapped butterscotch candies in a dish in the living
> On 2017-06-21 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> Except as a child, I've never really cared for sweets. I didn't grow
>> up having dessert with every meal. As such, I never quite understood
>> the notion of having a slice of cake or pie after dinner. Dessert
>> menu in a restaurant? I'll pass.
>
> I have always liked to have dessert, but things that are really sweet I
> eat only in small amounts. I eat a square of dark chocolate every few
> days, but just one square. I rarely eat candies. Yet, dessert remains
> an important element of a meal for me.
>
room. Every once in a while I'll have one. I love butterscotch. :)
>> These days, however, I find myself wanting a couple of cookies or a
>> scoop of ice cream in the evening after dinner. Suddenly I love
>> sweets!
>>
>> There are a lot of articles online about this. Here's one:
>>
>> http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/05/05/526750174/why-taste-buds-dull-as-we-age
>>
>>
>> When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It didn't
>> help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong with her pot
>> roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she never really made
>> much use of herbs and spices. On some level I realized he didn't
>> want to eat because he couldn't really taste it. Had to kick things
>> up a notch, so to speak.
>>
>> Have your tastes in food changed as you get older?
>
> There are things I like now that I did not like when I was younger, like
> squash and yams. I like carrots less than I did when I was young. I like
> fish a lot more than I used to, but that may be because I learned how to
> cook it better. I used to despise Brussels Sprouts, but now that I have
> them barely cooked they are quite good. I like a lot more herbs and
> spices that I used to. I learned to like lamb, and to eat beef rare.
>
kinds of squash. The "yams" I grew up with were canned, as were most of
the vegetables Mom bought. I do love what we call "yams" - sweet
potatoes. But only when fresh. And not in a pie. ;)
I didn't grow up eating lamb. I discovered I loved it when I was taken
to a restaurant by my high school boyfriend the night of the Senior
Prom. LOL I'd never tasted it before. Now I buy it a few times a year.
Braised lamb shanks are delicious. Lamb chops on the grill or roasted
are wonderful. I have yet to try ground lamb to make lamb burgers.
That's only because I forget to look for it.
I love beef, but it always has to be cooked to no more than medium-rare.
Unless we're talking chuck roast simmered in liquid...
Thanks for your thoughts.
Jill
Wayne Boatwright
Jun 21, 2017, 12:05:56 PM6/21/17
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On Wed 21 Jun 2017 07:35:59a, jmcquown told us...
More likely my preferences in foods have changed as I've gotten older.
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tert in seattle
Jun 21, 2017, 12:10:05 PM6/21/17
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jmcquown wrote:
> Except as a child, I've never really cared for sweets. I didn't grow up
> having dessert with every meal. As such, I never quite understood the
> notion of having a slice of cake or pie after dinner. Dessert menu in a
> restaurant? I'll pass.
>
> These days, however, I find myself wanting a couple of cookies or a
> scoop of ice cream in the evening after dinner. Suddenly I love sweets!
>
> There are a lot of articles online about this. Here's one:
>
> http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/05/05/526750174/why-taste-buds-dull-as-we-age
it could also be a sign of insulin resistance
> Except as a child, I've never really cared for sweets. I didn't grow up
> having dessert with every meal. As such, I never quite understood the
> notion of having a slice of cake or pie after dinner. Dessert menu in a
> restaurant? I'll pass.
>
> These days, however, I find myself wanting a couple of cookies or a
> scoop of ice cream in the evening after dinner. Suddenly I love sweets!
>
> There are a lot of articles online about this. Here's one:
>
> http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/05/05/526750174/why-taste-buds-dull-as-we-age
Cindy Hamilton
Jun 21, 2017, 12:52:37 PM6/21/17
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Since then the curve has flattened out and my preferences have not
changed that much in the last 20 years or so. I'm 60.
That said, I'm eating a lot more healthfully than I did 20 years ago.
Cindy Hamilton
Cheri
Jun 21, 2017, 1:15:56 PM6/21/17
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find I really like now, and some things that I really liked in the past,
don't much care for now.
Cheri
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> Except as a child, I've never really cared for sweets. I didn't grow up
> having dessert with every meal. As such, I never quite understood the
> notion of having a slice of cake or pie after dinner. Dessert menu in a
> restaurant? I'll pass.
>
> These days, however, I find myself wanting a couple of cookies or a scoop
> of ice cream in the evening after dinner. Suddenly I love sweets!
Yes, my tastes have changed, some things I never cared for in the past, I
> having dessert with every meal. As such, I never quite understood the
> notion of having a slice of cake or pie after dinner. Dessert menu in a
> restaurant? I'll pass.
>
> These days, however, I find myself wanting a couple of cookies or a scoop
> of ice cream in the evening after dinner. Suddenly I love sweets!
find I really like now, and some things that I really liked in the past,
don't much care for now.
Cheri
jmcquown
Jun 21, 2017, 1:34:52 PM6/21/17
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like a couple of cookies in the evening.
Jill
Julie Bove
Jun 21, 2017, 2:56:34 PM6/21/17
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to mind. Also fried okra. We had that a lot in the summer. But who knows? We
can't get good, fresh okra here. If we could, I might still eat that. In
general though, I have never eaten a lot of fried foods. Also have not been
a big sweets eater. There are certain specific sweets that I like, such as
Twizzlers but only the strawberry flavor and Mentos but only the peppermint.
I have been told and have also read that our taste buds will die out when we
get old. The ones that taste sweet are the last to go. This is why so many
seniors prefer sweets. I am not to that point yet.
Julie Bove
Jun 21, 2017, 2:59:40 PM6/21/17
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I am and I have extreme insulin resistance. I don't crave sweets though. But
when I was pregnant, I went through a brief period of craving fruit punch or
juice. This is before I knew that I had gestational diabetes. Once that was
discovered and I was put on the correct diet, the cravings stopped.
when I was pregnant, I went through a brief period of craving fruit punch or
juice. This is before I knew that I had gestational diabetes. Once that was
discovered and I was put on the correct diet, the cravings stopped.
Ed Pawlowski
Jun 21, 2017, 3:16:42 PM6/21/17
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On 6/21/2017 11:04 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-06-21 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> Except as a child, I've never really cared for sweets. I didn't grow
>> up having dessert with every meal. As such, I never quite understood
>> the notion of having a slice of cake or pie after dinner. Dessert
>> menu in a restaurant? I'll pass.
>
> I have always liked to have dessert, but things that are really sweet I
> eat only in small amounts. I eat a square of dark chocolate every few
> days, but just one square. I rarely eat candies. Yet, dessert remains
> an important element of a meal for me.
>
>
>
Unfortunately, I've always liked sweets. As a rule, we don't have
>> Except as a child, I've never really cared for sweets. I didn't grow
>> up having dessert with every meal. As such, I never quite understood
>> the notion of having a slice of cake or pie after dinner. Dessert
>> menu in a restaurant? I'll pass.
>
> I have always liked to have dessert, but things that are really sweet I
> eat only in small amounts. I eat a square of dark chocolate every few
> days, but just one square. I rarely eat candies. Yet, dessert remains
> an important element of a meal for me.
>
>
>
dessert, but a couple of hours later we have a sweet snack. Like Jill,
it may be a scoop of ice cream.
After lunch at work I'd usually have a small piece of candy like 2
Hersheu kisses. About 2 PM I'd have a piece of fruit
After breakfast (often 2 fried or soft boiled eggs) I will often have a
second piece of toast with strawberry preserves to finish my tea. I
guess you could consider it to be dessert.
Ophelia
Jun 21, 2017, 3:30:12 PM6/21/17
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"jmcquown" wrote in message news:oie01q$mfi$1...@dont-email.me...
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Yes they have. The older I get, the fewer and fewer foods I really like.
I used to love sweet stuff, but now all I am interested in is ice cream.
Apart from sweet stuff, there are many things that as time goes on, I
realise I don't really like any more.
That link is very interesting. I am on a lot of meds, perhaps that has a
lot do with it.
I have always put it down to age:)
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Yes they have. The older I get, the fewer and fewer foods I really like.
I used to love sweet stuff, but now all I am interested in is ice cream.
Apart from sweet stuff, there are many things that as time goes on, I
realise I don't really like any more.
That link is very interesting. I am on a lot of meds, perhaps that has a
lot do with it.
I have always put it down to age:)
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Gary
Jun 21, 2017, 3:56:22 PM6/21/17
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On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It didn't help
> that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong with her pot roast,
> mashed potatoes and green beans. But she never really made much use of
> herbs and spices.
No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he didn't
> When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It didn't help
> that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong with her pot roast,
> mashed potatoes and green beans. But she never really made much use of
> herbs and spices.
care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy food, imo.
Bruce
Jun 21, 2017, 4:07:13 PM6/21/17
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Ophelia
Jun 21, 2017, 4:26:53 PM6/21/17
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Why? Not everyone likes spics you know!
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Why? Not everyone likes spics you know!
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Ophelia
Jun 21, 2017, 4:26:56 PM6/21/17
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Good point:))))
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Good point:))))
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dsi1
Jun 21, 2017, 4:37:00 PM6/21/17
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Ophelia
Jun 21, 2017, 4:50:55 PM6/21/17
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Errr *SPICES* as you well knew:)))
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Errr *SPICES* as you well knew:)))
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Sheldon Katz
Jun 21, 2017, 5:11:46 PM6/21/17
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On 6/21/2017 4:50 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> This is not a good time for spics, that's for sure! :)
>
What do you get when you cross a Mexican and a nigger?
> This is not a good time for spics, that's for sure! :)
>
Somebody too lazy to steal.
jmcquown
Jun 21, 2017, 5:12:01 PM6/21/17
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for that matter. (He literally married the girl next door.) She hated
to cook. Doesn't negate the fact he really couldn't taste much when he
got older.
Jill
jmcquown
Jun 21, 2017, 5:14:02 PM6/21/17
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Jill
Bruce
Jun 21, 2017, 5:20:13 PM6/21/17
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jmcquown
Jun 21, 2017, 5:56:21 PM6/21/17
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On 6/21/2017 11:52 AM, l not -l wrote:
> Fig Newtons, asparagus and radishes. No, because now I find I also crave
> foods from my youth that I haven't had in years or at least seldom have;
> this morning's breakfast for example - 4 ounce chunk of pan fried ham steak,
> two eggs over, served attop buttery grits. Which put me in the mood to soon
> have country ham, red-eye gravy and biscuits; which I haven't had since the
> 70s.
>
> My father craved sweet foods in his later years, saying nothing else had any
> taste. A widespread phenomenon if the habits of the elderly shoppers I see
> every Friday are a good barometer.
>
I've always loved asparagus and Fig Newtons. I still don't like
radishes. I doubt I ever will.
Dad could taste sweet stuff so I'd buy pastries from the in-store bakery
for him. He didn't know who I was by that point, but he sure knew where
the tupperware container of cinnamon rolls or other bakery pastries were.
Jill
> On 21-Jun-2017, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Have your tastes in food changed as you get older?
>>
>> Jill
> Yes, and no. Yes, I now eat things that I once thought yucky; examples are
>
>> Have your tastes in food changed as you get older?
>>
>> Jill
> Fig Newtons, asparagus and radishes. No, because now I find I also crave
> foods from my youth that I haven't had in years or at least seldom have;
> this morning's breakfast for example - 4 ounce chunk of pan fried ham steak,
> two eggs over, served attop buttery grits. Which put me in the mood to soon
> have country ham, red-eye gravy and biscuits; which I haven't had since the
> 70s.
>
> My father craved sweet foods in his later years, saying nothing else had any
> taste. A widespread phenomenon if the habits of the elderly shoppers I see
> every Friday are a good barometer.
>
I've always loved asparagus and Fig Newtons. I still don't like
radishes. I doubt I ever will.
Dad could taste sweet stuff so I'd buy pastries from the in-store bakery
for him. He didn't know who I was by that point, but he sure knew where
the tupperware container of cinnamon rolls or other bakery pastries were.
Jill
Dave Smith
Jun 21, 2017, 6:08:51 PM6/21/17
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store bakery fare. I remember that they were a real treat when I was a
kid because what we ever got back then was home made cookies. Store
boughts were a special treat. I now find them way too sweet and totally
unsatisfying. It must be a sugar rush that leaves me wanting more. I
used to almost always have some home baked cookies om hand and I had a
bad habit of snacking on them too often.
I think my new weakness is date squares. They are so much more
satisfying than cookies. However, they are loaded with calories. AAMOF
I was going to make some about a week ago but found that my date supply
had run out.
Dave Smith
Jun 21, 2017, 6:13:22 PM6/21/17
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I felt like a snack, instead of a cookie, I would have 2-3 grapes. That
did the trick. My diet allowed me a cookie for dessert, and I could do
that and still lose weight. If I had a second one I gained. I know it
sounds absurd, but I was keeping track and noticed it several time. It
never seemed to happen when I snacked on fruit.
Dave Smith
Jun 21, 2017, 6:17:51 PM6/21/17
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in their food. They prefer things bland. I live near the home of
Buffalo wings and discovered them before they went international. When
I have then I order them hot and enjoy them, but I know people who find
even the mild ones to be too hot.
Dave Smith
Jun 21, 2017, 6:23:55 PM6/21/17
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On 2017-06-21 5:11 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
>> didn't care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy food,
>> imo.
>>
> No offense taken. :) She grew up eating pretty bland food. So did
> Dad, for that matter. (He literally married the girl next door.) She
> hated to cook. Doesn't negate the fact he really couldn't taste much
> when he got older.
My parents were born born in the 1920s and raised on bland Anglo food.
>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
>> didn't care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy food,
>> imo.
>>
> No offense taken. :) She grew up eating pretty bland food. So did
> Dad, for that matter. (He literally married the girl next door.) She
> hated to cook. Doesn't negate the fact he really couldn't taste much
> when he got older.
We were usually careful not to spice things up when they came for
dinner. One night when they came for dinner I cooked Tandoori chicken.
My father had never been much of a meat eater, and it was the first time
I ever saw him help himself to seconds. The next time was when I grilled
pork chops that had been rubbed with salt, pepper, garlic powder,
oregano and mint. He loved them.
Bruce
Jun 21, 2017, 6:31:50 PM6/21/17
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tests today?
tert in seattle
Jun 21, 2017, 7:10:04 PM6/21/17
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dsi1
Jun 21, 2017, 7:58:54 PM6/21/17
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cshenk
Jun 21, 2017, 8:33:13 PM6/21/17
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Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
(fixed minor typo above).
It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that when
they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking. Sure, we
might but it's not automatic.
I tend to lump herbs in with 'spices' as a generic when I refer to
seasonings but Gary has them separate. List of things we'd call
'spices' (not even remotely conclusive): garlic powder, cinnamon, mace,
nutmeg, sweet or hot paprika, pepper, cardamom, cumin, mustard,
fenugreek (seeds, ground), ginger, 'poulty seasoning' (a ubiquitous
blend here you might use in stuffing and many other things), sesame
seeds, anise seed (ground or whole or crushed), tumeric, onion powder
and so on it goes. I'm sure there are hundreds of them that could be
meant in a generic way with 'spices' by us here.
--
(fixed minor typo above).
It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that when
they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking. Sure, we
might but it's not automatic.
I tend to lump herbs in with 'spices' as a generic when I refer to
seasonings but Gary has them separate. List of things we'd call
'spices' (not even remotely conclusive): garlic powder, cinnamon, mace,
nutmeg, sweet or hot paprika, pepper, cardamom, cumin, mustard,
fenugreek (seeds, ground), ginger, 'poulty seasoning' (a ubiquitous
blend here you might use in stuffing and many other things), sesame
seeds, anise seed (ground or whole or crushed), tumeric, onion powder
and so on it goes. I'm sure there are hundreds of them that could be
meant in a generic way with 'spices' by us here.
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Bruce
Jun 21, 2017, 8:43:12 PM6/21/17
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:33:05 -0500, "cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote:
>Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> "Gary" wrote in message news:oieiq6$qfs$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> > When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It didn't
>> > help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong with her pot
>> > roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she never really made
>> > much use of herbs and spices.
>>
>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he didn't
>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy food, imo.
>>
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
>
>(fixed minor typo above).
>
>It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
>'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that when
>they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking. Sure, we
>might but it's not automatic.
I've noticed that too. To me, spicy food is hot. To Americans, it may
>Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> "Gary" wrote in message news:oieiq6$qfs$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> > When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It didn't
>> > help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong with her pot
>> > roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she never really made
>> > much use of herbs and spices.
>>
>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he didn't
>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy food, imo.
>>
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
>
>(fixed minor typo above).
>
>It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
>'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that when
>they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking. Sure, we
>might but it's not automatic.
mean there's a lot of cinnamon in there.
cshenk
Jun 21, 2017, 8:47:13 PM6/21/17
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Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:
My FIL was almost in the opposite side. His wife was actually a very
good cook, but tended to over spice. Not too badly, but just enough to
be less optimal. Never hot spices, just a little 'too much of a good
thing'. Clove was one of her favorites.
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good cook, but tended to over spice. Not too badly, but just enough to
be less optimal. Never hot spices, just a little 'too much of a good
thing'. Clove was one of her favorites.
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cshenk
Jun 21, 2017, 8:50:58 PM6/21/17
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Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:
sake of hot'. If described as a '5 alarm chili' I am apt to not even
taste it. Hot buffalo wings fall in there. I like the milder form
better. I also like Kimchee (grin). There the 'hot' fits right.
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notbob
Jun 21, 2017, 9:41:20 PM6/21/17
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On 2017-06-22, cshenk <csh...@cox.net> wrote:
> It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
> 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that when
> they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking. Sure, we
> might but it's not automatic.
Try using "savory" as a qualifier for non-spicy spices. ;)
> It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
> 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that when
> they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking. Sure, we
> might but it's not automatic.
nb
jmcquown
Jun 21, 2017, 9:41:44 PM6/21/17
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me for someone who lives in your general vicinity. ;)
Jill
jmcquown
Jun 21, 2017, 9:49:42 PM6/21/17
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On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> "Gary" wrote in message news:oieiq6$qfs$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It didn't
>>> help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong with her pot
>>> roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she never really made
>>> much use of herbs and spices.
>>
>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he didn't
>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy food, imo.
>>
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
>
> (fixed minor typo above).
>
> It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
> 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that when
> they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking. Sure, we
> might but it's not automatic.
>
Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
> Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> "Gary" wrote in message news:oieiq6$qfs$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It didn't
>>> help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong with her pot
>>> roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she never really made
>>> much use of herbs and spices.
>>
>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he didn't
>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy food, imo.
>>
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
>
> (fixed minor typo above).
>
> It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
> 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that when
> they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking. Sure, we
> might but it's not automatic.
>
don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which *is* a spice.
To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we can't all
like the same things.
Pretty much the only seasonings my mom used when I was growing up was
salt & pepper. Occasionally garlic powder or onion powder. Herbs? Bay
leaf in the simmered pot roast and occasionally some parsley. My mom's
cooking mostly *was* pretty bland.
Jill
penm...@aol.com
Jun 21, 2017, 9:59:06 PM6/21/17
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or a couple kasha k'nishes and a half dozen cherry peppers... winter
antifreeze... but as I reached middle age those hot peppers burned a
lot more coming out as going in so I no longer eat hot peppers. I can
easily handle hot Chinese mustard and super strong horseradish, but
not hot peppers. I can handle hot Eyetalian saw-seege, pepperoni, and
hot sopressata but not hot peppers. Hot oriental mustard and
horseradish is a very different kind of hot. blows your skull out for
a brief moment but leaves your nether region alone.
I never liked kimchee but I like regular kraut a lot... can't enjoy a
dawg without... I like dawgs, ring bologna, and kielbasa simmered in a
potful of kraut and dark brewski.
cshenk
Jun 21, 2017, 10:41:15 PM6/21/17
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penm...@aol.com wrote in rec.food.cooking:
THats actually a common reaction to have where 'good going in, not so
good going out'. Some always have it and learn to fear 'spicy' (but
often only react to the fresh oils, not the dried product) and it can
shift as you get older very easily, to be more adverse.
I make several 'mild' kimchee types sporadically here. That means they
don't blow your socks off but have a definate bite.
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good going out'. Some always have it and learn to fear 'spicy' (but
often only react to the fresh oils, not the dried product) and it can
shift as you get older very easily, to be more adverse.
I make several 'mild' kimchee types sporadically here. That means they
don't blow your socks off but have a definate bite.
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cshenk
Jun 21, 2017, 10:45:41 PM6/21/17
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Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
Yup! If we say 'Tex-Mex' and spicy, we probably mean hot. It's not a
given though that we mean 'hot' when we say 'spicy'. For that reason I
tend to use 'savory' frequently to avoid the confusion but sadly, to
others thant seems to translate more as 'juicy' for some reason.
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given though that we mean 'hot' when we say 'spicy'. For that reason I
tend to use 'savory' frequently to avoid the confusion but sadly, to
others thant seems to translate more as 'juicy' for some reason.
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cshenk
Jun 21, 2017, 10:47:52 PM6/21/17
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notbob wrote in rec.food.cooking:
LOL, was jst typing that but some places they put that in the catagory
of 'juicy' (I don't know why).
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of 'juicy' (I don't know why).
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jmcquown
Jun 21, 2017, 11:12:42 PM6/21/17
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fish was exotic! Then again, she thought fish (any kind) was exotic.
She actually had a number of good recipes she'd trot out from time to
time. But she really didn't care much about cooking. Mostly just meat
& potatoes + some kind of vegetable. Maybe a salad. Her cupboard was
very limited in terms of herbs and spices.
Jill
jmcquown
Jun 21, 2017, 11:13:35 PM6/21/17
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Jill
sanne
Jun 22, 2017, 2:31:39 AM6/22/17
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Am Donnerstag, 22. Juni 2017 05:13:35 UTC+2 schrieb Jill McQuown:
> I can't think of the last time I used cloves for anything.
Gingerbread?
> I can't think of the last time I used cloves for anything.
Bye, Sanne.
Ophelia
Jun 22, 2017, 4:49:10 AM6/22/17
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"Bruce" wrote in message news:lg4mkcd02i75bie5t...@4ax.com...
==
I can't even abide the smell of cinnamon:(
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I can't even abide the smell of cinnamon:(
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Ophelia
Jun 22, 2017, 4:49:10 AM6/22/17
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"jmcquown" wrote in message news:oif7gm$ntj$1...@dont-email.me...
==
We love and I grow, mint, rosemary, sage and thyme.
I don't like to cover up the flavour of the food which is why I am careful
with the additions.
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We love and I grow, mint, rosemary, sage and thyme.
I don't like to cover up the flavour of the food which is why I am careful
with the additions.
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Bruce
Jun 22, 2017, 4:58:24 AM6/22/17
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:49:03 +0100, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I don't think I ever have it. From childhood, I remember a candy item
called cinnamon stick, that was ok back then. And maybe it's in
Glühwein? I'm not a fan of that.
wrote:
called cinnamon stick, that was ok back then. And maybe it's in
Glühwein? I'm not a fan of that.
Bruce
Jun 22, 2017, 5:00:18 AM6/22/17
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:48:56 +0100, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>"jmcquown" wrote in message news:oif7gm$ntj$1...@dont-email.me...
>
>On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> "Gary" wrote in message news:oieiq6$qfs$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It didn't
>>>> help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong with her pot
>>>> roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she never really made
>>>> much use of herbs and spices.
>>>
>>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he didn't
>>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy food, imo.
>>>
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
>>
>> (fixed minor typo above).
>>
>> It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
>> 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that when
>> they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking. Sure, we
>> might but it's not automatic.
>>
>Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
>don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which *is* a spice.
>
>To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we can't all
>like the same things.
I think I could live without spices.
wrote:
>"jmcquown" wrote in message news:oif7gm$ntj$1...@dont-email.me...
>
>On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> "Gary" wrote in message news:oieiq6$qfs$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It didn't
>>>> help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong with her pot
>>>> roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she never really made
>>>> much use of herbs and spices.
>>>
>>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he didn't
>>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy food, imo.
>>>
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
>>
>> (fixed minor typo above).
>>
>> It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
>> 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that when
>> they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking. Sure, we
>> might but it's not automatic.
>>
>Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
>don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which *is* a spice.
>
>To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we can't all
>like the same things.
Ophelia
Jun 22, 2017, 6:19:33 AM6/22/17
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"Bruce" wrote in message news:le1nkc9vp5ppk6jb7...@4ax.com...
==
I don't know. Try and get hold of something with it in and see what you
think. You might like it because many here do.
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I don't know. Try and get hold of something with it in and see what you
think. You might like it because many here do.
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Ophelia
Jun 22, 2017, 6:19:33 AM6/22/17
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"Bruce" wrote in message news:tj1nkc17sreu4ojq3...@4ax.com...
==
I do:) I don't understand the desperation to cover up the flavour of
whatever people are cooking.
I use herbs and seasoning and that is fine for us:)
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I do:) I don't understand the desperation to cover up the flavour of
whatever people are cooking.
I use herbs and seasoning and that is fine for us:)
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Cindy Hamilton
Jun 22, 2017, 6:20:12 AM6/22/17
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difficult to distinguish a food redolent with spices, a food that
contains capsaicin, and a food whose temperature is too high.
Cindy Hamilton
Bruce
Jun 22, 2017, 6:31:58 AM6/22/17
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 11:19:26 +0100, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>"Bruce" wrote in message news:tj1nkc17sreu4ojq3...@4ax.com...
>
>On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:48:56 +0100, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>"jmcquown" wrote in message news:oif7gm$ntj$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>>On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
have you? But I love me hot chillies and garlic :)
wrote:
>"Bruce" wrote in message news:tj1nkc17sreu4ojq3...@4ax.com...
>
>On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:48:56 +0100, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>"jmcquown" wrote in message news:oif7gm$ntj$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>>On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
>>>
>>> (fixed minor typo above).
>>>
>>> It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
>>> 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that when
>>> they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking. Sure, we
>>> might but it's not automatic.
>>>
>>Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
>>don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which *is* a spice.
>>
>>To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we can't all
>>like the same things.
>
>I think I could live without spices.
>
>==
>
>I do:) I don't understand the desperation to cover up the flavour of
>whatever people are cooking.
>
>I use herbs and seasoning and that is fine for us:)
Yes, I don't need cinnamon, cloves, mace, even pepper and what else
>>>
>>> (fixed minor typo above).
>>>
>>> It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
>>> 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that when
>>> they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking. Sure, we
>>> might but it's not automatic.
>>>
>>Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
>>don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which *is* a spice.
>>
>>To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we can't all
>>like the same things.
>
>I think I could live without spices.
>
>==
>
>I do:) I don't understand the desperation to cover up the flavour of
>whatever people are cooking.
>
>I use herbs and seasoning and that is fine for us:)
have you? But I love me hot chillies and garlic :)
Cindy Hamilton
Jun 22, 2017, 6:39:05 AM6/22/17
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spices. I enjoy plain chicken. I enjoy curried chicken. It's
all good.
Cindy Hamilton
lucretia
Jun 22, 2017, 7:14:11 AM6/22/17
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 10:41:47 +1000, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
I'm glad you filtered out Canadians, don't know what makes her think
she knows about anything Canadian.
wrote:
she knows about anything Canadian.
cshenk
Jun 22, 2017, 7:32:52 AM6/22/17
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jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > "Gary" wrote in message news:oieiq6$qfs$1...@dont-email.me...
> > > On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > > > When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It
> > > > didn't help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong
> > > > with her pot roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she
> > > > never really made much use of herbs and spices.
> > >
> > > No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
> > > didn't care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
> > > food, imo.
> > >
> > >
> > > ==
> > >
> > > Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
> >
> > (fixed minor typo above).
> >
> > It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
> > 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that
> > when they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking.
> > Sure, we might but it's not automatic.
> >
> Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
> don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which is a spice.
pepper came out once a year. The only other was cinnamon blended with
sugar to be used on toast. She had some bay leaves she'd gotten before
I was born, that she used once a year until I was about 14.
Yes, I grew up in a culinary derth.
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> On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > "Gary" wrote in message news:oieiq6$qfs$1...@dont-email.me...
> > > On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > > > When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It
> > > > didn't help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong
> > > > with her pot roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she
> > > > never really made much use of herbs and spices.
> > >
> > > No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
> > > didn't care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
> > > food, imo.
> > >
> > >
> > > ==
> > >
> > > Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
> >
> > (fixed minor typo above).
> >
> > It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
> > 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that
> > when they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking.
> > Sure, we might but it's not automatic.
> >
> Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
>
> To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we can't
> all like the same things.
>
> Pretty much the only seasonings my mom used when I was growing up was
> salt & pepper. Occasionally garlic powder or onion powder. Herbs?
> Bay leaf in the simmered pot roast and occasionally some parsley. My
> mom's cooking mostly was pretty bland.
> To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we can't
> all like the same things.
>
> Pretty much the only seasonings my mom used when I was growing up was
> salt & pepper. Occasionally garlic powder or onion powder. Herbs?
> Bay leaf in the simmered pot roast and occasionally some parsley. My
>
> Jill
>
> > I tend to lump herbs in with 'spices' as a generic when I refer to
> > seasonings but Gary has them separate. List of things we'd call
> > 'spices' (not even remotely conclusive): garlic powder, cinnamon,
> > mace, nutmeg, sweet or hot paprika, pepper, cardamom, cumin,
> > mustard, fenugreek (seeds, ground), ginger, 'poulty seasoning' (a
> > ubiquitous blend here you might use in stuffing and many other
> > things), sesame seeds, anise seed (ground or whole or crushed),
> > tumeric, onion powder and so on it goes. I'm sure there are
> > hundreds of them that could be meant in a generic way with 'spices'
> > by us here.
> >
LOL, my Mom's was very bland. Her main 'spice' was salt. The black
> Jill
>
> > I tend to lump herbs in with 'spices' as a generic when I refer to
> > seasonings but Gary has them separate. List of things we'd call
> > 'spices' (not even remotely conclusive): garlic powder, cinnamon,
> > mace, nutmeg, sweet or hot paprika, pepper, cardamom, cumin,
> > mustard, fenugreek (seeds, ground), ginger, 'poulty seasoning' (a
> > ubiquitous blend here you might use in stuffing and many other
> > things), sesame seeds, anise seed (ground or whole or crushed),
> > tumeric, onion powder and so on it goes. I'm sure there are
> > hundreds of them that could be meant in a generic way with 'spices'
> > by us here.
> >
pepper came out once a year. The only other was cinnamon blended with
sugar to be used on toast. She had some bay leaves she'd gotten before
I was born, that she used once a year until I was about 14.
Yes, I grew up in a culinary derth.
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Ophelia
Jun 22, 2017, 7:48:27 AM6/22/17
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"Bruce" wrote in message news:9v6nkcpeu3sfm94fg...@4ax.com...
=
Oh yes, I love garlic too:) As for hot chillies, each to his her own:)
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Oh yes, I love garlic too:) As for hot chillies, each to his her own:)
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cshenk
Jun 22, 2017, 7:49:14 AM6/22/17
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Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
I gather some spices are more common in some areas but that one
suprises me. Not that you don't cook with it (many don't, I don't
except when it's in a mix unless to add to an apple pie), but to not
see it in a lot of bakery goods?
I had to google the Glühwein. Yes, uses a stick of cinnamon. Might be
a bit too much for your tastes.
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suprises me. Not that you don't cook with it (many don't, I don't
except when it's in a mix unless to add to an apple pie), but to not
see it in a lot of bakery goods?
I had to google the Glühwein. Yes, uses a stick of cinnamon. Might be
a bit too much for your tastes.
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jmcquown
Jun 22, 2017, 8:46:42 AM6/22/17
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Jill
penm...@aol.com
Jun 22, 2017, 9:32:46 AM6/22/17
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 08:46:30 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:
I add one or two whole cloves to vegetable beef soup, spikes the
flavors without adding any detectable clove flavor... sticking cloves
into a small onion makes for easy retrieval.
Whole cloves are also good for easing the pain of a tooth ache until
you can get to a dentist... just place against the gum by the
offending tooth, it'll numb the area... easier to apply than oil of
clove that can be purchased OTC at any drug store.
Stud an orange with cloves to make a great pomander.
Stud a ham with cloves and bake... Virgina Ham... I sometimes stud a
can of Spam with cloves, apply brown ssugar, and nuke on med-lo til
heated through.
wrote:
flavors without adding any detectable clove flavor... sticking cloves
into a small onion makes for easy retrieval.
Whole cloves are also good for easing the pain of a tooth ache until
you can get to a dentist... just place against the gum by the
offending tooth, it'll numb the area... easier to apply than oil of
clove that can be purchased OTC at any drug store.
Stud an orange with cloves to make a great pomander.
Stud a ham with cloves and bake... Virgina Ham... I sometimes stud a
can of Spam with cloves, apply brown ssugar, and nuke on med-lo til
heated through.
Cheri
Jun 22, 2017, 9:42:38 AM6/22/17
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"cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:kZudnW-DbaQvM9bE...@giganews.com...
Can't make a decent Snickerdoodle without it. :)
Cheri
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Cheri
cshenk
Jun 22, 2017, 11:04:48 AM6/22/17
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Cindy Hamilton wrote in rec.food.cooking:
Sure Cindy, but I'm trying to say 'it's not automatic'. Savory can be
tricky with some parts of the world too (not sure why) but us
USA/Canada folks mean it the same way. I just don't want to trip up a
person overseas who means something different by it.
Here's an example that could be called Savory or Spicy but it's not at
all hot.
MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05
Title: Xxcarol's sausage seasoning
Categories: Xxcarol, Sausage
Yield: 1 Servings
2 ts Salt
2 ts Anise seed
1 ts Black pepper
1 ts Oregano
1 ts Ginger
1 ts Thyme
1 ts Garlic powder
1/2 ts Onion powder
3/4 ts Hot hungarian paprika
Hi all, this mix can be doubled and tripled and stored in a jar for
use.
Add this to ground pork, mix well. I normally add about 1 TB to a
1.5lb of ground pork but taste test that to see if it's more than you
want.
I make it into patties and freeze as is to cook when ready.
From the VB Kitchen of xxcarol: typed up 8Mar16
MMMMM
Even 'Hot' paprika isnt 'hot' and in fact, I often used the milder
'sweet' if that comes to hand first. To make up in bulk, translate the
ts to TB. I keep it in a jar with the recipe printed on it.
If trying the recipe above, I recommend get 1.5lbs ground pork, then
separate to 1/3 portions and use 1 ts of the mix in 1/3 of it. Mix
well then cook a small bit and taste it. If too strong, take one of
the remaining 1/3 bits of pork and half that and mix it in well then
test a bit again. If that works, you want 2 ts for 1.5lbs of pork. To
my terminology, this is a 'spicy' with the distinct label of savory vs
hot. BTW, if I want a 'hot spicy' mix, I use Korean flaked red pepper
added to this. Chipotly blend will also work (practice with 1/4 ts of
either to the measures above and see how it works for you).
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tricky with some parts of the world too (not sure why) but us
USA/Canada folks mean it the same way. I just don't want to trip up a
person overseas who means something different by it.
Here's an example that could be called Savory or Spicy but it's not at
all hot.
MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05
Title: Xxcarol's sausage seasoning
Categories: Xxcarol, Sausage
Yield: 1 Servings
2 ts Salt
2 ts Anise seed
1 ts Black pepper
1 ts Oregano
1 ts Ginger
1 ts Thyme
1 ts Garlic powder
1/2 ts Onion powder
3/4 ts Hot hungarian paprika
Hi all, this mix can be doubled and tripled and stored in a jar for
use.
Add this to ground pork, mix well. I normally add about 1 TB to a
1.5lb of ground pork but taste test that to see if it's more than you
want.
I make it into patties and freeze as is to cook when ready.
From the VB Kitchen of xxcarol: typed up 8Mar16
MMMMM
Even 'Hot' paprika isnt 'hot' and in fact, I often used the milder
'sweet' if that comes to hand first. To make up in bulk, translate the
ts to TB. I keep it in a jar with the recipe printed on it.
If trying the recipe above, I recommend get 1.5lbs ground pork, then
separate to 1/3 portions and use 1 ts of the mix in 1/3 of it. Mix
well then cook a small bit and taste it. If too strong, take one of
the remaining 1/3 bits of pork and half that and mix it in well then
test a bit again. If that works, you want 2 ts for 1.5lbs of pork. To
my terminology, this is a 'spicy' with the distinct label of savory vs
hot. BTW, if I want a 'hot spicy' mix, I use Korean flaked red pepper
added to this. Chipotly blend will also work (practice with 1/4 ts of
either to the measures above and see how it works for you).
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cshenk
Jun 22, 2017, 11:10:42 AM6/22/17
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lucretia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
Got a lot of cooking friends up there. Been chatting with a couple of
them since 1988 via Fidonet (still am). While there are certainly
differences, linguistically they are less notable in the world of
cooking.
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them since 1988 via Fidonet (still am). While there are certainly
differences, linguistically they are less notable in the world of
cooking.
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cshenk
Jun 22, 2017, 11:23:26 AM6/22/17
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jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > "Gary" wrote in message news:oieiq6$qfs$1...@dont-email.me...
> > > On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > > > When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It
> > > > didn't help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong
> > > > with her pot roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she
> > > > never really made much use of herbs and spices.
> > >
> > > No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
> > > didn't care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
> > > food, imo.
> > >
> > >
> > > ==
> > >
> > > Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
> >
> > (fixed minor typo above).
> >
> > It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
> > 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that
> > when they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking.
> > Sure, we might but it's not automatic.
> >
Well, thats their choice. Perhaps they had an overly hot sort of blend
once in a cracked fashion and they dislike it from then.
>
> Pretty much the only seasonings my mom used when I was growing up was
> salt & pepper. Occasionally garlic powder or onion powder. Herbs?
> Bay leaf in the simmered pot roast and occasionally some parsley. My
> mom's cooking mostly was pretty bland.
My Mom's definately was. The food wasn't terrible and was always
balanced and on time, but when kids pray for school lunches of the 60's
and TV dinners of the same era, you kinda got the picture ;-)
--
> On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > "Gary" wrote in message news:oieiq6$qfs$1...@dont-email.me...
> > > On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > > > When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It
> > > > didn't help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong
> > > > with her pot roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she
> > > > never really made much use of herbs and spices.
> > >
> > > No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
> > > didn't care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
> > > food, imo.
> > >
> > >
> > > ==
> > >
> > > Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
> >
> > (fixed minor typo above).
> >
> > It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
> > 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that
> > when they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking.
> > Sure, we might but it's not automatic.
> >
> Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
> don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which is a spice.
Well, thats their choice. Perhaps they had an overly hot sort of blend
once in a cracked fashion and they dislike it from then.
>
> To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we can't
> all like the same things.
True!
> To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we can't
> all like the same things.
>
> Pretty much the only seasonings my mom used when I was growing up was
> salt & pepper. Occasionally garlic powder or onion powder. Herbs?
> Bay leaf in the simmered pot roast and occasionally some parsley. My
> mom's cooking mostly was pretty bland.
balanced and on time, but when kids pray for school lunches of the 60's
and TV dinners of the same era, you kinda got the picture ;-)
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cshenk
Jun 22, 2017, 11:39:01 AM6/22/17
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Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> "jmcquown" wrote in message news:oif7gm$ntj$1...@dont-email.me...
>
> On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > "Gary" wrote in message news:oieiq6$qfs$1...@dont-email.me...
> > > On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > > > When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It
> > > > didn't help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong
> > > > with her pot roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she
> > > > never really made much use of herbs and spices.
> > >
> > > No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
> > > didn't care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
> > > food, imo.
> > >
> > >
> > > ==
> > >
> > > Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
> >
> > (fixed minor typo above).
> >
> > It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
> > 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that
> > when they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking.
> > Sure, we might but it's not automatic.
> >
> Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
> don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which is a spice.
is as well.
Herbs and other seasonings, used *right* do not cover up the flavor of
the food, with exception of when it is intended to do so to make
something new. Example, my pork sausage mix is *intended* to change the
flavor of raw ground pork (which isnt very good pan fried on it's own).
--
> "jmcquown" wrote in message news:oif7gm$ntj$1...@dont-email.me...
>
> On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > "Gary" wrote in message news:oieiq6$qfs$1...@dont-email.me...
> > > On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > > > When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It
> > > > didn't help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong
> > > > with her pot roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she
> > > > never really made much use of herbs and spices.
> > >
> > > No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
> > > didn't care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
> > > food, imo.
> > >
> > >
> > > ==
> > >
> > > Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
> >
> > (fixed minor typo above).
> >
> > It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
> > 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that
> > when they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking.
> > Sure, we might but it's not automatic.
> >
> Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
>
> To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we can't
> all like the same things.
>
> Pretty much the only seasonings my mom used when I was growing up was
> salt & pepper. Occasionally garlic powder or onion powder. Herbs?
> Bay leaf in the simmered pot roast and occasionally some parsley. My
> mom's cooking mostly was pretty bland.
> To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we can't
> all like the same things.
>
> Pretty much the only seasonings my mom used when I was growing up was
> salt & pepper. Occasionally garlic powder or onion powder. Herbs?
> Bay leaf in the simmered pot roast and occasionally some parsley. My
>
> Jill
>
> ==
> We love and I grow, mint, rosemary, sage and thyme.
>
> I don't like to cover up the flavour of the food which is why I am
> careful with the additions.
No problem! Garlic or Chives? Chives are really easy to grow. Oregano
> Jill
>
> ==
> We love and I grow, mint, rosemary, sage and thyme.
>
> I don't like to cover up the flavour of the food which is why I am
> careful with the additions.
is as well.
Herbs and other seasonings, used *right* do not cover up the flavor of
the food, with exception of when it is intended to do so to make
something new. Example, my pork sausage mix is *intended* to change the
flavor of raw ground pork (which isnt very good pan fried on it's own).
--
cshenk
Jun 22, 2017, 11:39:46 AM6/22/17
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Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:48:56 +0100, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > "jmcquown" wrote in message news:oif7gm$ntj$1...@dont-email.me...
> >
> > On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >> Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >
> >>> "Gary" wrote in message news:oieiq6$qfs$1...@dont-email.me...
> >>> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >>>> When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It
> didn't >>>> help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong
> with her pot >>>> roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she
> never really made >>>> much use of herbs and spices.
> > > >
> >>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
> didn't >>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
> food, imo.
> > > >
> > > >
> >>> ==
> > > >
> >>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
> > >
> >> (fixed minor typo above).
> > >
> >> It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
> >> 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that
> when >> they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking.
> Sure, we >> might but it's not automatic.
> > >
> > Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
> > don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which is a
--
> On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:48:56 +0100, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > "jmcquown" wrote in message news:oif7gm$ntj$1...@dont-email.me...
> >
> > On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >> Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >
> >>> "Gary" wrote in message news:oieiq6$qfs$1...@dont-email.me...
> >>> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >>>> When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It
> didn't >>>> help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong
> with her pot >>>> roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she
> never really made >>>> much use of herbs and spices.
> > > >
> >>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
> didn't >>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
> food, imo.
> > > >
> > > >
> >>> ==
> > > >
> >>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
> > >
> >> (fixed minor typo above).
> > >
> >> It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
> >> 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that
> when >> they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking.
> Sure, we >> might but it's not automatic.
> > >
> > Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
> > spice.
> >
> > To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we
> > can't all like the same things.
>
> I think I could live without spices.
Yeah, but would you enjoy it as much? ;-)
> >
> > To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we
> > can't all like the same things.
>
> I think I could live without spices.
--
jmcquown
Jun 22, 2017, 11:55:51 AM6/22/17
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On 6/22/2017 11:23 AM, cshenk wrote:
> jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
I remember asking for lunch money was when we lived in Vista, outside of
San Diego. I was... hmm, 7. It was going to be "taco day" and all my
classmates were excited about it. So I asked for lunch money. Might
have been 50 cents, I don't really remember.
Mom said, "You won't like them [tacos]." Reason being, they put iceburg
lettuce on the tacos. I hated lettuce. (Still do, as a matter of
fact.) But Mom gave in to teach me a lesson.
The "lunch lady" in the cafeteria wouldn't leave the lettuce off my
tacos. Ugh! I wouldn't eat them. The teacher/cafeteria monitor
refused to let me out until I ate it. I refused. They called my mom,
"She won't eat her lunch." "Of course she won't, she hates lettuce." LOL
What right did they have to try to force me to eat something I didn't
like? None. Why couldn't they have simply skipped the lettuce? It was
an assembly line, surely you don't HAVE to put shredded iceburg lettuce
on the taco. It would have been easy enough to leave out. That was the
last time I ever bought lunch at a school cafeteria.
BTW, I will eat tacos all day long as long as there aren't raw
vegetables (or salsa, can't stand that either) piled on top. All I need
is a crispy shell, some spicy beef (ground or shredded) and top it with
cheese.
Jill
> jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>
> My Mom's definately was. The food wasn't terrible and was always
> balanced and on time, but when kids pray for school lunches of the 60's
> and TV dinners of the same era, you kinda got the picture ;-)
>
I got the picture. :) I didn't pray for school lunches. The only time
>
> My Mom's definately was. The food wasn't terrible and was always
> balanced and on time, but when kids pray for school lunches of the 60's
> and TV dinners of the same era, you kinda got the picture ;-)
>
I remember asking for lunch money was when we lived in Vista, outside of
San Diego. I was... hmm, 7. It was going to be "taco day" and all my
classmates were excited about it. So I asked for lunch money. Might
have been 50 cents, I don't really remember.
Mom said, "You won't like them [tacos]." Reason being, they put iceburg
lettuce on the tacos. I hated lettuce. (Still do, as a matter of
fact.) But Mom gave in to teach me a lesson.
The "lunch lady" in the cafeteria wouldn't leave the lettuce off my
tacos. Ugh! I wouldn't eat them. The teacher/cafeteria monitor
refused to let me out until I ate it. I refused. They called my mom,
"She won't eat her lunch." "Of course she won't, she hates lettuce." LOL
What right did they have to try to force me to eat something I didn't
like? None. Why couldn't they have simply skipped the lettuce? It was
an assembly line, surely you don't HAVE to put shredded iceburg lettuce
on the taco. It would have been easy enough to leave out. That was the
last time I ever bought lunch at a school cafeteria.
BTW, I will eat tacos all day long as long as there aren't raw
vegetables (or salsa, can't stand that either) piled on top. All I need
is a crispy shell, some spicy beef (ground or shredded) and top it with
cheese.
Jill
jmcquown
Jun 22, 2017, 11:59:18 AM6/22/17
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Jill
lucretia
Jun 22, 2017, 12:09:54 PM6/22/17
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your own.
jmcquown
Jun 22, 2017, 12:16:27 PM6/22/17
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pretty damned embarrassing.
If she knows people who live in Canada who discuss cooking with her, who
are you to ban her perceptions of what they tell her about how they cook?
Jill
Janet
Jun 22, 2017, 12:41:21 PM6/22/17
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In article <076278b9-eb59-4027...@googlegroups.com>,
angelica...@yahoo.com says...
> Subject: Re: Have Your Tastes in Food Changed?
> From: Cindy Hamilton <angelica...@yahoo.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
food, so subtly that the spice used can't be tasted let alone
identified. Cumin has that effect in amny stews and soups; a grate of
nutmeg into frying mushrooms makes tham taste more mushroomy; cardamom
invisibly enhances many cakes and milk puddings. A clove or two infused
in the milk used for bread sauce.
I'm sometimes struck in rfc by Americans using the word"spice" for
ingredients I'd classify as a herb. In UK English herbs and spices are
two distinct groups, the terms are not interchangeable.
Janet UK
Janet.
angelica...@yahoo.com says...
> Subject: Re: Have Your Tastes in Food Changed?
> From: Cindy Hamilton <angelica...@yahoo.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>
> On Thursday, June 22, 2017 at 6:19:33 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> > [quoted text muted]
> On Thursday, June 22, 2017 at 6:19:33 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> > I do:) I don't understand the desperation to cover up the flavour of
> > whatever people are cooking.
> >
> > I use herbs and seasoning and that is fine for us:)
>
> It's not about covering up. It's about enjoying the flavor of the
> spices. I enjoy plain chicken. I enjoy curried chicken. It's
> all good.
>
You can also use some spices to enhance the natural flavour of
> > I do:) I don't understand the desperation to cover up the flavour of
> > whatever people are cooking.
> >
> > I use herbs and seasoning and that is fine for us:)
>
> It's not about covering up. It's about enjoying the flavor of the
> spices. I enjoy plain chicken. I enjoy curried chicken. It's
> all good.
>
food, so subtly that the spice used can't be tasted let alone
identified. Cumin has that effect in amny stews and soups; a grate of
nutmeg into frying mushrooms makes tham taste more mushroomy; cardamom
invisibly enhances many cakes and milk puddings. A clove or two infused
in the milk used for bread sauce.
I'm sometimes struck in rfc by Americans using the word"spice" for
ingredients I'd classify as a herb. In UK English herbs and spices are
two distinct groups, the terms are not interchangeable.
Janet UK
Janet.
notbob
Jun 22, 2017, 12:48:16 PM6/22/17
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On 2017-06-22, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I was... hmm, 7. It was going to be "taco day".....
When I was 7, I'd never even heard of a taco ....and I lived in
California!
I suspect what I DID eat at my gradeschool cafetria (25¢ + 5¢ fer milk),
in the 50s, a lot of it was canned. I notice Manwhich (Hunt's) sloppy
joes taste exactly like what I ate in grade school. But, it was all
prepared by a kitchen staff in a real kitchen. Someone hadda cook
that hamburger for that canned Hunt's sauce. ;)
nb
> I was... hmm, 7. It was going to be "taco day".....
When I was 7, I'd never even heard of a taco ....and I lived in
California!
I suspect what I DID eat at my gradeschool cafetria (25¢ + 5¢ fer milk),
in the 50s, a lot of it was canned. I notice Manwhich (Hunt's) sloppy
joes taste exactly like what I ate in grade school. But, it was all
prepared by a kitchen staff in a real kitchen. Someone hadda cook
that hamburger for that canned Hunt's sauce. ;)
nb
penm...@aol.com
Jun 22, 2017, 12:52:36 PM6/22/17
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pure laziness or don't know the difference.
cshenk
Jun 22, 2017, 1:49:29 PM6/22/17
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jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> On 6/21/2017 8:47 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > > did Dad, for that matter. (He literally married the girl next
> > > > door.) She hated to cook. Doesn't negate the fact he really
> > > > couldn't taste much when he got older.
> > >
> > > My parents were born born in the 1920s and raised on bland Anglo
> > > food. We were usually careful not to spice things up when they
> > > came for dinner. One night when they came for dinner I cooked
> > > Tandoori chicken. My father had never been much of a meat eater,
> > > and it was the first time I ever saw him help himself to seconds.
> > > The next time was when I grilled pork chops that had been rubbed
> > > with salt, pepper, garlic powder, oregano and mint. He loved
> > > them.
> >
> > My FIL was almost in the opposite side. His wife was actually a
> > very good cook, but tended to over spice. Not too badly, but just
> > enough to be less optimal. Never hot spices, just a little 'too
> > much of a good thing'. Clove was one of her favorites.
It was a ham that really got me. She used powdered clove with honey as
a covered and embedded possibly 40 cloves (deep in, must have pushed
them in with something). You couldn't taste the ham, just cloves.
--
> On 6/21/2017 8:47 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > On 2017-06-21 5:11 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > >
> > > > > No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
> > > > > didn't care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
> > > > > food, imo.
> > > > >
> > > > No offense taken. :) She grew up eating pretty bland food. So
> > > On 2017-06-21 5:11 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > >
> > > > > No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
> > > > > didn't care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
> > > > > food, imo.
> > > > >
> > > > did Dad, for that matter. (He literally married the girl next
> > > > door.) She hated to cook. Doesn't negate the fact he really
> > > > couldn't taste much when he got older.
> > >
> > > My parents were born born in the 1920s and raised on bland Anglo
> > > food. We were usually careful not to spice things up when they
> > > came for dinner. One night when they came for dinner I cooked
> > > Tandoori chicken. My father had never been much of a meat eater,
> > > and it was the first time I ever saw him help himself to seconds.
> > > The next time was when I grilled pork chops that had been rubbed
> > > with salt, pepper, garlic powder, oregano and mint. He loved
> > > them.
> >
> > My FIL was almost in the opposite side. His wife was actually a
> > very good cook, but tended to over spice. Not too badly, but just
> > enough to be less optimal. Never hot spices, just a little 'too
> > much of a good thing'. Clove was one of her favorites.
> >
> I can't think of the last time I used cloves for anything.
>
> Jill
> I can't think of the last time I used cloves for anything.
>
It was a ham that really got me. She used powdered clove with honey as
a covered and embedded possibly 40 cloves (deep in, must have pushed
them in with something). You couldn't taste the ham, just cloves.
--
lucretia
Jun 22, 2017, 2:13:01 PM6/22/17
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 12:16:14 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:
Nobody but who is she to refer to Canadians and us without qualifying
it to some Canadians I know or somesuch. Knowing some Canadians does
NOT mean she knows what we all think/do, see how you reacted to being
called a Trumpite!
wrote:
it to some Canadians I know or somesuch. Knowing some Canadians does
NOT mean she knows what we all think/do, see how you reacted to being
called a Trumpite!
cshenk
Jun 22, 2017, 2:19:54 PM6/22/17
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Cindy Hamilton wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > spice.
> > >
> > > To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we
> > > can't all like the same things.
> >
> > I think I could live without spices.
> >
> > ==
> >
> > I do:) I don't understand the desperation to cover up the flavour
> > of whatever people are cooking.
> >
> > I use herbs and seasoning and that is fine for us:)
>
> It's not about covering up. It's about enjoying the flavor of the
> spices. I enjoy plain chicken. I enjoy curried chicken. It's
> all good.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
Yup. No problem that she likes a simpler cooking style, but like you,
> > >
> > > To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we
> > > can't all like the same things.
> >
> > I think I could live without spices.
> >
> > ==
> >
> > I do:) I don't understand the desperation to cover up the flavour
> > of whatever people are cooking.
> >
> > I use herbs and seasoning and that is fine for us:)
>
> It's not about covering up. It's about enjoying the flavor of the
> spices. I enjoy plain chicken. I enjoy curried chicken. It's
> all good.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
I like to use spices to good effect. I like plain rice. I also like
curried fried rice and a variety of 'rice ball' mixes.
--
notbob
Jun 22, 2017, 2:33:46 PM6/22/17
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I always cut recipe recommendations for clove amounts by at least one
third. Usually more like one-half. Even in my DIY five-spice-blend
(star anise, fennel seed, cinnamon, szechuan ppr, cloves) I either dbl
all the other ingredients or cut cloves by 50%. Clove is more than
jes savory, it's overwhelming. Make that downright brutal! ;)
nb
third. Usually more like one-half. Even in my DIY five-spice-blend
(star anise, fennel seed, cinnamon, szechuan ppr, cloves) I either dbl
all the other ingredients or cut cloves by 50%. Clove is more than
jes savory, it's overwhelming. Make that downright brutal! ;)
nb
Bruce
Jun 22, 2017, 2:42:17 PM6/22/17
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American thing. Or maybe also Australian, but I've never had them.
>I had to google the Glühwein. Yes, uses a stick of cinnamon. Might be
>a bit too much for your tastes.
Bruce
Jun 22, 2017, 2:45:02 PM6/22/17
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 06:41:54 -0700, "Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
And what's life without the occasional Snickerdoodle :)
Here's a cinnamon stick candy thing:
<https://www.candyonline.nl/Files/3/4000/4251/ProductPhotos/MaxContent/83266645.jpg>
Or the luxury version:
<https://www.easywebshop.com/shops/zuurstok/1709837-1.jpg>
wrote:
Here's a cinnamon stick candy thing:
<https://www.candyonline.nl/Files/3/4000/4251/ProductPhotos/MaxContent/83266645.jpg>
Or the luxury version:
<https://www.easywebshop.com/shops/zuurstok/1709837-1.jpg>
Bruce
Jun 22, 2017, 2:48:25 PM6/22/17
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 12:48:11 +0100, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
instead of butter when I have bread for breakfast or lunch. You
wouldn't like it :)
wrote:
>"Bruce" wrote in message news:9v6nkcpeu3sfm94fg...@4ax.com...
>
>On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 11:19:26 +0100, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
>>news:tj1nkc17sreu4ojq3...@4ax.com...
>>
>>On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:48:56 +0100, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>"jmcquown" wrote in message news:oif7gm$ntj$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>
>"Bruce" wrote in message news:9v6nkcpeu3sfm94fg...@4ax.com...
>
>On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 11:19:26 +0100, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
>>news:tj1nkc17sreu4ojq3...@4ax.com...
>>
>>On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:48:56 +0100, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>"jmcquown" wrote in message news:oif7gm$ntj$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>>Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
>>>don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which *is* a spice.
>>>
>>>To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we can't all
>>>like the same things.
>>
>>I think I could live without spices.
>>
>>==
>>
>>I do:) I don't understand the desperation to cover up the flavour of
>>whatever people are cooking.
>>
>>I use herbs and seasoning and that is fine for us:)
>
>Yes, I don't need cinnamon, cloves, mace, even pepper and what else
>have you? But I love me hot chillies and garlic :)
>
>=
>
>Oh yes, I love garlic too:) As for hot chillies, each to his her own:)
I make a paste (sambal) of cooked medium heat chillies and use that
>>>don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which *is* a spice.
>>>
>>>To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we can't all
>>>like the same things.
>>
>>I think I could live without spices.
>>
>>==
>>
>>I do:) I don't understand the desperation to cover up the flavour of
>>whatever people are cooking.
>>
>>I use herbs and seasoning and that is fine for us:)
>
>Yes, I don't need cinnamon, cloves, mace, even pepper and what else
>have you? But I love me hot chillies and garlic :)
>
>=
>
>Oh yes, I love garlic too:) As for hot chillies, each to his her own:)
instead of butter when I have bread for breakfast or lunch. You
wouldn't like it :)
Bruce
Jun 22, 2017, 2:49:55 PM6/22/17
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food, I guess. It wouldn't be Indian anymore.
Bruce
Jun 22, 2017, 2:51:50 PM6/22/17
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 11:59:06 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:
I don't think we use any spices with fish, except pepper. Who uses
cinnamon, cloves, mace etc... with fish?
wrote:
cinnamon, cloves, mace etc... with fish?
cshenk
Jun 22, 2017, 2:55:23 PM6/22/17
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notbob wrote in rec.food.cooking:
Agreed. I don't have any clove other than in mixes and if they use too
much, I reverse engineer them to reduce the clove. Its not that I
don't like it, it's that some like it a lot more than me so tends to be
over-powering.
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much, I reverse engineer them to reduce the clove. Its not that I
don't like it, it's that some like it a lot more than me so tends to be
over-powering.
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Cindy Hamilton
Jun 22, 2017, 3:06:06 PM6/22/17
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Herb: leaves and relatively tender stems of plants
Spice: seeds, bark, pods, roots, and other plant parts
Of course, some sort of flavor component is implied. Rice is a seed,
but it's not a spice.
Cindy Hamilton
Cindy Hamilton
Jun 22, 2017, 3:10:42 PM6/22/17
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Coriander seed is quite good with fish.
Cindy Hamilton
Bruce
Jun 22, 2017, 3:34:00 PM6/22/17
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wouldn't want to add more to a nice piece of salmon.
cshenk
Jun 22, 2017, 3:35:33 PM6/22/17
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jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> On 6/22/2017 11:23 AM, cshenk wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >
> > My Mom's definately was. The food wasn't terrible and was always
> > balanced and on time, but when kids pray for school lunches of the
> > 60's and TV dinners of the same era, you kinda got the picture ;-)
> >
> I got the picture. :) I didn't pray for school lunches. The only
> time I remember asking for lunch money was when we lived in Vista,
> outside of San Diego. I was... hmm, 7. It was going to be "taco
> day" and all my classmates were excited about it. So I asked for
> lunch money. Might have been 50 cents, I don't really remember.
I don't either. I just remember with 3 kids, it was more tham Mom had
to do all the time.
> Mom said, "You won't like them [tacos]." Reason being, they put
> iceburg lettuce on the tacos. I hated lettuce. (Still do, as a
> matter of fact.) But Mom gave in to teach me a lesson.
>
> The "lunch lady" in the cafeteria wouldn't leave the lettuce off my
> tacos. Ugh! I wouldn't eat them. The teacher/cafeteria monitor
> refused to let me out until I ate it. I refused. They called my
> mom, "She won't eat her lunch." "Of course she won't, she hates
> lettuce." LOL
>
> What right did they have to try to force me to eat something I didn't
> like? None. Why couldn't they have simply skipped the lettuce? It
> was an assembly line, surely you don't HAVE to put shredded iceburg
> lettuce on the taco. It would have been easy enough to leave out.
> That was the last time I ever bought lunch at a school cafeteria.
Dunno, but in my case, I'd have devoured them and if lettuce bothered
me, I'd have picked it out then devoured them. Then again, I like
Balut, squid, raw fish, and a host of things most consider quite odd,
so I don't find it odd that I'd do that.
It is odd that they wouldnt put it on the side for you. I wonder why
not?
> BTW, I will eat tacos all day long as long as there aren't raw
> vegetables (or salsa, can't stand that either) piled on top. All I
> need is a crispy shell, some spicy beef (ground or shredded) and top
> it with cheese.
I'm not too fond of most of their salsas . I do like a little sour
cream on that item. I got one with a little scoup of Guacamole once
and loved that! Odd yes, but I liked it.
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> On 6/22/2017 11:23 AM, cshenk wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >
> > My Mom's definately was. The food wasn't terrible and was always
> > balanced and on time, but when kids pray for school lunches of the
> > 60's and TV dinners of the same era, you kinda got the picture ;-)
> >
> I got the picture. :) I didn't pray for school lunches. The only
> time I remember asking for lunch money was when we lived in Vista,
> outside of San Diego. I was... hmm, 7. It was going to be "taco
> day" and all my classmates were excited about it. So I asked for
> lunch money. Might have been 50 cents, I don't really remember.
to do all the time.
> Mom said, "You won't like them [tacos]." Reason being, they put
> iceburg lettuce on the tacos. I hated lettuce. (Still do, as a
> matter of fact.) But Mom gave in to teach me a lesson.
>
> The "lunch lady" in the cafeteria wouldn't leave the lettuce off my
> tacos. Ugh! I wouldn't eat them. The teacher/cafeteria monitor
> refused to let me out until I ate it. I refused. They called my
> mom, "She won't eat her lunch." "Of course she won't, she hates
> lettuce." LOL
>
> What right did they have to try to force me to eat something I didn't
> like? None. Why couldn't they have simply skipped the lettuce? It
> was an assembly line, surely you don't HAVE to put shredded iceburg
> lettuce on the taco. It would have been easy enough to leave out.
> That was the last time I ever bought lunch at a school cafeteria.
me, I'd have picked it out then devoured them. Then again, I like
Balut, squid, raw fish, and a host of things most consider quite odd,
so I don't find it odd that I'd do that.
It is odd that they wouldnt put it on the side for you. I wonder why
not?
> BTW, I will eat tacos all day long as long as there aren't raw
> vegetables (or salsa, can't stand that either) piled on top. All I
> need is a crispy shell, some spicy beef (ground or shredded) and top
> it with cheese.
cream on that item. I got one with a little scoup of Guacamole once
and loved that! Odd yes, but I liked it.
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cshenk
Jun 22, 2017, 3:36:09 PM6/22/17
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jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
Translation?
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Dave Smith
Jun 22, 2017, 3:37:25 PM6/22/17
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that herbs and spices are similar in that they are used in small amounts
to flavour foods, but distinguished from each other by the parts used.
Herbs are the leaves while spices my be the seeds, bark or root.
cshenk
Jun 22, 2017, 4:10:09 PM6/22/17
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Janet wrote in rec.food.cooking:
Hi Janet UK,
I think we know, but for us 'spices' also in a sort of generic way
covers herbs. I'd not say 'add the following 3 herbs (listing them and
amount) then the followng 3 spices (listing them and amount) but say
'add the following 6 spices' (and list the herbs and spices with
amounts). I guess it's a bit lazy but really common to do.
My mind says a leaf is an herb, and a seed, pollen or bark is a spice.
Not sure where flowers or garlic bulbs might classify but I'd lean to
herb for a flower and spice for a bulb.
I think we know, but for us 'spices' also in a sort of generic way
covers herbs. I'd not say 'add the following 3 herbs (listing them and
amount) then the followng 3 spices (listing them and amount) but say
'add the following 6 spices' (and list the herbs and spices with
amounts). I guess it's a bit lazy but really common to do.
My mind says a leaf is an herb, and a seed, pollen or bark is a spice.
Not sure where flowers or garlic bulbs might classify but I'd lean to
herb for a flower and spice for a bulb.
Bruce
Jun 22, 2017, 4:17:40 PM6/22/17
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 15:09:56 -0500, "cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote:
>I think we know, but for us 'spices' also in a sort of generic way
>covers herbs. I'd not say 'add the following 3 herbs (listing them and
>amount) then the followng 3 spices (listing them and amount) but say
>'add the following 6 spices' (and list the herbs and spices with
>amounts). I guess it's a bit lazy but really common to do.
>
>My mind says a leaf is an herb, and a seed, pollen or bark is a spice.
>Not sure where flowers or garlic bulbs might classify but I'd lean to
>herb for a flower and spice for a bulb.
I don't think garlic is a spice. I think it's a vegetable. (I say this
>I think we know, but for us 'spices' also in a sort of generic way
>covers herbs. I'd not say 'add the following 3 herbs (listing them and
>amount) then the followng 3 spices (listing them and amount) but say
>'add the following 6 spices' (and list the herbs and spices with
>amounts). I guess it's a bit lazy but really common to do.
>
>My mind says a leaf is an herb, and a seed, pollen or bark is a spice.
>Not sure where flowers or garlic bulbs might classify but I'd lean to
>herb for a flower and spice for a bulb.
in a very unpedantic manner.)
cshenk
Jun 22, 2017, 4:18:56 PM6/22/17
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lucretia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
Having a bad day?
I didnt insult anyone. It seems you are excessively upset that your
southern neighbors realize our differences are smaller than our
similarities when it comes to talking to someone from Germany, UK, OZ,
NZ and such. I didnt qualify my statement by 'some USA people I know'
either.
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I didnt insult anyone. It seems you are excessively upset that your
southern neighbors realize our differences are smaller than our
similarities when it comes to talking to someone from Germany, UK, OZ,
NZ and such. I didnt qualify my statement by 'some USA people I know'
either.
--
cshenk
Jun 22, 2017, 4:20:04 PM6/22/17
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jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
(hush now, but some come from her own posts over the last 5 or more
years)
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years)
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cshenk
Jun 22, 2017, 4:21:39 PM6/22/17
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Cheri wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> "cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:kZudnW-DbaQvM9bE...@giganews.com...
> > Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:49:03 +0100, "Ophelia"
> >>> news:lg4mkcd02i75bie5t...@4ax.com...
> > > >
> >>>On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:33:05 -0500, "cshenk" <csh...@cox.net>
LOL, I'll take your word for it. I'm not into sweets much and
snickerdoodles I gather are sweets.
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> "cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:kZudnW-DbaQvM9bE...@giganews.com...
> > Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >>> news:lg4mkcd02i75bie5t...@4ax.com...
> > > >
> >>>On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:33:05 -0500, "cshenk" <csh...@cox.net>
> wrote:
> > > >
> >>> > Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >>> >
> >>>>> "Gary" wrote in message news:oieiq6$qfs$1...@dont-email.me...
> >>>>> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >>>>> > When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It
> >>didn't >>> > help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong
> >>with her pot >>> > roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she
> >>never really made >>> > much use of herbs and spices.
> >>> > >
> >>>>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
> >>didn't >>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
> > > food, imo.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>>>> ==
> >>> > >
> >>>>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
> >>> >
> >>> > (fixed minor typo above).
> >>> >
> >>> > It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
> >>> > 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean
> >>> > that when they says 'spices' in the same way you might be
> >>> > thinking. Sure, we might but it's not automatic.
> > > >
> > > >
> >>> > Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >>> >
> >>>>> "Gary" wrote in message news:oieiq6$qfs$1...@dont-email.me...
> >>>>> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >>>>> > When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It
> >>didn't >>> > help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong
> >>with her pot >>> > roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she
> >>never really made >>> > much use of herbs and spices.
> >>> > >
> >>>>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
> >>didn't >>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
> > > food, imo.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>>>> ==
> >>> > >
> >>>>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
> >>> >
> >>> > (fixed minor typo above).
> >>> >
> >>> > It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
> >>> > 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean
> >>> > that when they says 'spices' in the same way you might be
> >>> > thinking. Sure, we might but it's not automatic.
> > > >
> >>> I've noticed that too. To me, spicy food is hot. To Americans, it
> >>> may mean there's a lot of cinnamon in there.
> > > >
> >>> ==
> > > >
> >>> may mean there's a lot of cinnamon in there.
> > > >
> >>> ==
> > > >
> >>> I can't even abide the smell of cinnamon:(
> > >
> > > I don't think I ever have it. From childhood, I remember a candy
> > > item called cinnamon stick, that was ok back then. And maybe it's
> > > in Glühwein? I'm not a fan of that.
> >
> > I gather some spices are more common in some areas but that one
> > suprises me. Not that you don't cook with it (many don't, I don't
> > except when it's in a mix unless to add to an apple pie), but to not
> > see it in a lot of bakery goods?
> >
> > I had to google the Glühwein. Yes, uses a stick of cinnamon. Might
> > be a bit too much for your tastes.
>
> Can't make a decent Snickerdoodle without it. :)
>
> Cheri
> > >
> > > I don't think I ever have it. From childhood, I remember a candy
> > > item called cinnamon stick, that was ok back then. And maybe it's
> > > in Glühwein? I'm not a fan of that.
> >
> > I gather some spices are more common in some areas but that one
> > suprises me. Not that you don't cook with it (many don't, I don't
> > except when it's in a mix unless to add to an apple pie), but to not
> > see it in a lot of bakery goods?
> >
> > I had to google the Glühwein. Yes, uses a stick of cinnamon. Might
> > be a bit too much for your tastes.
>
> Can't make a decent Snickerdoodle without it. :)
>
LOL, I'll take your word for it. I'm not into sweets much and
snickerdoodles I gather are sweets.
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cshenk
Jun 22, 2017, 4:31:46 PM6/22/17
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Cindy Hamilton wrote in rec.food.cooking:
Matches. Not sure what to do with lavender or rose flowers though!
--
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cshenk
Jun 22, 2017, 4:34:15 PM6/22/17
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Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
I think once dried, it is added generically to the group we'd say is a
'spice'. That doesnt mean it is right or wrong, just how people
commonly use it here.
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'spice'. That doesnt mean it is right or wrong, just how people
commonly use it here.
--
Bruce
Jun 22, 2017, 4:39:09 PM6/22/17
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 15:31:39 -0500, "cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote:
>Cindy Hamilton wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Thursday, June 22, 2017 at 12:41:21 PM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>> > In article <076278b9-eb59-4027...@googlegroups.com>,
>> > angelica...@yahoo.com says...
>> > > Subject: Re: Have Your Tastes in Food Changed?
>> > > From: Cindy Hamilton <angelica...@yahoo.com>
>> > > Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>> > >
>Cindy Hamilton wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Thursday, June 22, 2017 at 12:41:21 PM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>> > In article <076278b9-eb59-4027...@googlegroups.com>,
>> > angelica...@yahoo.com says...
>> > > Subject: Re: Have Your Tastes in Food Changed?
>> > > From: Cindy Hamilton <angelica...@yahoo.com>
>> > > Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>> > >
>> > > It's not about covering up. It's about enjoying the flavor of the
>> > > spices. I enjoy plain chicken. I enjoy curried chicken. It's
>> > > all good.
>> > >
>> > You can also use some spices to enhance the natural flavour
>> > of food, so subtly that the spice used can't be tasted let alone
>> > identified. Cumin has that effect in amny stews and soups; a grate
>> > of nutmeg into frying mushrooms makes tham taste more mushroomy;
>> > cardamom invisibly enhances many cakes and milk puddings. A clove
>> > or two infused in the milk used for bread sauce.
>> >
>> > I'm sometimes struck in rfc by Americans using the word"spice"
>> > for ingredients I'd classify as a herb. In UK English herbs and
>> > spices are two distinct groups, the terms are not interchangeable.
>>
>> Depends on the American. In my lexicon:
>>
>> Herb: leaves and relatively tender stems of plants
>> Spice: seeds, bark, pods, roots, and other plant parts
>>
>> Of course, some sort of flavor component is implied. Rice is a seed,
>> but it's not a spice.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>Matches.
They're not a spice or a herb. I'd say they're a tool.
>> > > spices. I enjoy plain chicken. I enjoy curried chicken. It's
>> > > all good.
>> > >
>> > You can also use some spices to enhance the natural flavour
>> > of food, so subtly that the spice used can't be tasted let alone
>> > identified. Cumin has that effect in amny stews and soups; a grate
>> > of nutmeg into frying mushrooms makes tham taste more mushroomy;
>> > cardamom invisibly enhances many cakes and milk puddings. A clove
>> > or two infused in the milk used for bread sauce.
>> >
>> > I'm sometimes struck in rfc by Americans using the word"spice"
>> > for ingredients I'd classify as a herb. In UK English herbs and
>> > spices are two distinct groups, the terms are not interchangeable.
>>
>> Depends on the American. In my lexicon:
>>
>> Herb: leaves and relatively tender stems of plants
>> Spice: seeds, bark, pods, roots, and other plant parts
>>
>> Of course, some sort of flavor component is implied. Rice is a seed,
>> but it's not a spice.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>Matches.
Bruce
Jun 22, 2017, 4:40:12 PM6/22/17
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Dave Smith
Jun 22, 2017, 5:20:59 PM6/22/17
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On 2017-06-22 4:16 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> My mind says a leaf is an herb, and a seed, pollen or bark is a spice.
>> Not sure where flowers or garlic bulbs might classify but I'd lean to
>> herb for a flower and spice for a bulb.
>
> I don't think garlic is a spice. I think it's a vegetable. (I say this
> in a very unpedantic manner.)
One of the things that makes something a herb or a spice is that is it
>> My mind says a leaf is an herb, and a seed, pollen or bark is a spice.
>> Not sure where flowers or garlic bulbs might classify but I'd lean to
>> herb for a flower and spice for a bulb.
>
> I don't think garlic is a spice. I think it's a vegetable. (I say this
> in a very unpedantic manner.)
used in small amounts to flavour dishes but is not really used as a
food. Garlic often is eaten as a good. It may be a minor ingredient
because of its potent taste, but there a number of dishes that use large
amounts of it. It can even be roasted and then used as a spread om bread
or crackers. It may be very strong tasting, and it may vary a lot in
taste and potency depending on the way it is cooked, but it is more of a
vegetable than a herb.
Cheri
Jun 22, 2017, 5:29:04 PM6/22/17
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"cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:Q6qdnfRFn_tWu9HE...@giganews.com...
> LOL, I'll take your word for it. I'm not into sweets much and
> snickerdoodles I gather are sweets.
Cheri
lucretia
Jun 22, 2017, 5:41:33 PM6/22/17
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needlessly because she is trying to teach the ignorant. The biggest
insult to Canadians is for someone to equate them with Americans.
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