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graham
Dec 14, 2015, 9:38:31 PM12/14/15
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Although I have absolutely no time for veganism and vegans, the idea of
using chickpea liquid intrigued the scientist in me and I had to try it.
As it happened, I was going to use some chickpeas in a soup so it was no
trouble to try the recipe that was posted here last week.
The ~275ml whipped up to almost fill a 2.5litre bowl as you can see.
This is the foam from the liquid from a can of chickpeas:
http://i64.tinypic.com/2jese86.jpg
The recipe called for a volume of sugar equal to the amount of liquid
but, bearing in mind the overly sweet teeth of the average US baker, I
cut the amount back by ~30%. I also added a "slug" of vanilla essence.
The "meringues" prior to baking were typically voluminous but they
spread during baking:
http://i66.tinypic.com/sy0d1j.jpg
This is the result in cross section:
http://i67.tinypic.com/2qcnp02.jpg
The resulting "cookies" melt in the mouth but even with the reduced
sugar content, are *disgustingly sweet* and would readily contribute to
the obesity epidemic. There is an obvious background chickpea flavour.
A savoury version would work well to accompany cheese. However, the foam
is very delicate and when I tried adding a powdered herb/spice mix to
another batch (sans sugar) it deflated. Perhaps just baking them without
sugar would be preferable and it might be worth trying a little Tabasco.
However, I shan't try another version until I feel the need for
chickpeas in a soup or stew.
I really think vegans should have their heads examined. Humans are
omnivores and meat is part of a *normal* diet.
Graham
using chickpea liquid intrigued the scientist in me and I had to try it.
As it happened, I was going to use some chickpeas in a soup so it was no
trouble to try the recipe that was posted here last week.
The ~275ml whipped up to almost fill a 2.5litre bowl as you can see.
This is the foam from the liquid from a can of chickpeas:
http://i64.tinypic.com/2jese86.jpg
The recipe called for a volume of sugar equal to the amount of liquid
but, bearing in mind the overly sweet teeth of the average US baker, I
cut the amount back by ~30%. I also added a "slug" of vanilla essence.
The "meringues" prior to baking were typically voluminous but they
spread during baking:
http://i66.tinypic.com/sy0d1j.jpg
This is the result in cross section:
http://i67.tinypic.com/2qcnp02.jpg
The resulting "cookies" melt in the mouth but even with the reduced
sugar content, are *disgustingly sweet* and would readily contribute to
the obesity epidemic. There is an obvious background chickpea flavour.
A savoury version would work well to accompany cheese. However, the foam
is very delicate and when I tried adding a powdered herb/spice mix to
another batch (sans sugar) it deflated. Perhaps just baking them without
sugar would be preferable and it might be worth trying a little Tabasco.
However, I shan't try another version until I feel the need for
chickpeas in a soup or stew.
I really think vegans should have their heads examined. Humans are
omnivores and meat is part of a *normal* diet.
Graham
Bruce
Dec 14, 2015, 10:19:20 PM12/14/15
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On 15/12/2015 13:38 graham wrote:
> Although I have absolutely no time for veganism and vegans,
Just like vegans have no time for people who like to chew on
> Although I have absolutely no time for veganism and vegans,
dead animal matter. Ghe.
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Bruce
tert in seattle
Dec 15, 2015, 12:10:06 AM12/15/15
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graham wrote:
> Humans are omnivores and meat is part of a *normal* diet.
>
> Graham
"In other words, there is very little evidence that our guts are terribly
> Humans are omnivores and meat is part of a *normal* diet.
>
> Graham
special and the job of a generalist primate gut is primarily to eat
pieces of plants."
<http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/>
he goes on to say that human gut microbes may have evolved to help with
digestion of meat but the science on that is new
Bruce
Dec 15, 2015, 12:10:54 AM12/15/15
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On 15/12/2015 15:24 Sqwertz wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 19:38:30 -0700, graham wrote:
>
>> I really think vegans should have their heads examined. Humans are
>> omnivores and meat is part of a *normal* diet.
>
> I've always taken into account that vegetarians (and vegans) have set
> the flavor bar pretty low when they brag about how good something
> tastes.
Or they're better cooks than y'all because they can't just char a
hamburger.
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Bruce
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 19:38:30 -0700, graham wrote:
>
>> I really think vegans should have their heads examined. Humans are
>> omnivores and meat is part of a *normal* diet.
>
> the flavor bar pretty low when they brag about how good something
> tastes.
Or they're better cooks than y'all because they can't just char a
hamburger.
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Bruce
Sqwertz
Dec 15, 2015, 12:29:13 AM12/15/15
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On 12/14/2015 9:24 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> they brag about how good something
> tastes.
>
> -sw
> they brag about how good something
> tastes.
>
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She should call the cops. I've already publicly admitted it is me so
a conviction should be a piece of cake and then forging would stop.
So what's stopping her? I think she suffers from Bovism - she just
loves the attention and drama and screw the rest of the group.
-sw
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Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.
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There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.
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> The facebook group is much more pleasant.
Only because you cower there in mortal fear of being booted by the admins.
You're _done_ here virus, I mean really done.
Bruce
Dec 15, 2015, 12:34:08 AM12/15/15
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that.
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Dec 15, 2015, 6:03:53 AM12/15/15
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Dec 15, 2015, 6:15:32 AM12/15/15
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lucreti...@fl.it
Dec 15, 2015, 6:32:39 AM12/15/15
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heathen.
Ophelia
Dec 15, 2015, 7:31:24 AM12/15/15
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Gary
Dec 15, 2015, 9:32:38 AM12/15/15
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Ophelia wrote:
>
> We never eat hamburgers let alone char one ..
How about bunny burgers?
>
> We never eat hamburgers let alone char one ..
Brooklyn1
Dec 15, 2015, 9:42:53 AM12/15/15
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 11:03:42 -0000, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
>"Bruce" <Br...@Bruce.invalid> wrote in message
>news:n4o783$lp7$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 15/12/2015 15:24 Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 19:38:30 -0700, graham wrote:
>>>
>>>> I really think vegans should have their heads examined. Humans are
>>>> omnivores and meat is part of a *normal* diet.
>>>
>>> I've always taken into account that vegetarians (and vegans) have set
>>> the flavor bar pretty low when they brag about how good something
>>> tastes.
>>
>> Or they're better cooks than y'all because they can't just char a
>> hamburger.
>
>We never eat hamburgers.
But you say that you grind your own meat... I know there are infinite
uses for ground meat but why don't you ever eat hamburgers, just
curious.
wrote:
>
>
>"Bruce" <Br...@Bruce.invalid> wrote in message
>news:n4o783$lp7$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 15/12/2015 15:24 Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 19:38:30 -0700, graham wrote:
>>>
>>>> I really think vegans should have their heads examined. Humans are
>>>> omnivores and meat is part of a *normal* diet.
>>>
>>> I've always taken into account that vegetarians (and vegans) have set
>>> the flavor bar pretty low when they brag about how good something
>>> tastes.
>>
>> Or they're better cooks than y'all because they can't just char a
>> hamburger.
>
But you say that you grind your own meat... I know there are infinite
uses for ground meat but why don't you ever eat hamburgers, just
curious.
Brooklyn1
Dec 15, 2015, 9:56:39 AM12/15/15
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ingest particular amino acids that are not present in any vegetables.
Ophelia
Dec 15, 2015, 10:13:21 AM12/15/15
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"Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message news:56702444...@att.net...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> We never eat hamburgers let alone char one ..
>
> How about bunny burgers?
lol no! I told you how I cook my bunnies and I haven't been able to
>>
>> We never eat hamburgers let alone char one ..
>
> How about bunny burgers?
persuade him to let me make them into burgers:))
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Ophelia
Dec 15, 2015, 10:13:21 AM12/15/15
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"Brooklyn1" <grave...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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we prefer our minced meat in sauces, ie bolognese, for lasagna etc.,
shepherd's pie, cottage pie ... that kind of stuff. I don't just grind meat
on my machine, I use it for other stuff too.
Incidentally, I don't 'say' I grind my own meat ... I 'DO' grind my own
meat!
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Gary
Dec 15, 2015, 10:20:28 AM12/15/15
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Ophelia wrote:
>
> "Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message news:56702444...@att.net...
> > Ophelia wrote:
> >>
> >> We never eat hamburgers let alone char one ..
> >
> > How about bunny burgers?
>
> lol no! I told you how I cook my bunnies and I haven't been able to
> persuade him to let me make them into burgers:))
I'll bet if you grind a little bit with some beef fat, he might change
>
> "Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message news:56702444...@att.net...
> > Ophelia wrote:
> >>
> >> We never eat hamburgers let alone char one ..
> >
> > How about bunny burgers?
>
> lol no! I told you how I cook my bunnies and I haven't been able to
> persuade him to let me make them into burgers:))
his mind.
Ophelia
Dec 15, 2015, 11:05:18 AM12/15/15
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"Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message news:56702F79...@att.net...
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Abiquiu
Dec 15, 2015, 11:36:30 AM12/15/15
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Groupkilla
Dec 15, 2015, 11:46:30 AM12/15/15
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Sqwertz wrote:
> how good something
> tastes.
>
> -sw
> how good something
> tastes.
>
> -sw
Janet
Dec 15, 2015, 11:59:01 AM12/15/15
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In article <ep907bt8rongnr7p2...@4ax.com>, gravesend10
@verizon.net says...
The essential amino acids humans need, are available in eggs and dairy
(and beans and nuts) so vegetarians who eat those will have no
deficiency.
Janet UK
@verizon.net says...
(and beans and nuts) so vegetarians who eat those will have no
deficiency.
Janet UK
tert in seattle
Dec 15, 2015, 1:40:05 PM12/15/15
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and if that's what Graham means by "normal" then I can't really argue
with that can I?
But I suspect that what most people are murkily attaching to "normal"
is some foundation in biology, and the evidence from that perspective
decidedly shows that a diet heavy in meat is not "normal".
tert in seattle
Dec 15, 2015, 1:40:06 PM12/15/15
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notbob
Dec 15, 2015, 1:48:31 PM12/15/15
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On 2015-12-15, tert in seattle <te...@ftupet.com> wrote:
> decidedly shows that a diet heavy in meat is not "normal".
Get a clue! Even ground squirrels eat their own.
> decidedly shows that a diet heavy in meat is not "normal".
nb
jmcquown
Dec 15, 2015, 2:16:39 PM12/15/15
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to invade a nest not protected by a mother bird.
Then again, birds also eat eggs. I've seen them do it. There was a
funny moment many years ago when I was sitting on my apartment balcony
after work. A woman came down the walkway carrying two bags of
groceries. She dropped a carton of eggs. I guess not all of them broke
because she picked up what was left and walked on to her apartment. Not
a minute later, a bunch of house finches decended from the pine trees
nearby. They ate the broken chicken eggs.
Many birds will invade a nest and eat the hatchlings. Hence, the cowbird.
Nature is cruel. Nature knows we need all sorts of foodstuffs to
survive. That includes greens, seeds and grains. But no, we don't all
have to be vegetarians. :)
Jill
Bruce
Dec 15, 2015, 2:45:50 PM12/15/15
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Bruce
Bruce
Dec 15, 2015, 2:52:30 PM12/15/15
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their own?
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Bruce
Bruce
Dec 15, 2015, 2:55:51 PM12/15/15
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difference healthwise, vegetarians are probably a bit healthier, also
depending on which meats and how much.
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Bruce
zxcvbob
Dec 15, 2015, 4:29:31 PM12/15/15
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graham wrote:
> Although I have absolutely no time for veganism and vegans, the idea of
> using chickpea liquid intrigued the scientist in me and I had to try it.
> As it happened, I was going to use some chickpeas in a soup so it was no
> trouble to try the recipe that was posted here last week.
>
> The ~275ml whipped up to almost fill a 2.5litre bowl as you can see.
>
> This is the foam from the liquid from a can of chickpeas:
> http://i64.tinypic.com/2jese86.jpg
>
[snip]
> Although I have absolutely no time for veganism and vegans, the idea of
> using chickpea liquid intrigued the scientist in me and I had to try it.
> As it happened, I was going to use some chickpeas in a soup so it was no
> trouble to try the recipe that was posted here last week.
>
> The ~275ml whipped up to almost fill a 2.5litre bowl as you can see.
>
> This is the foam from the liquid from a can of chickpeas:
> http://i64.tinypic.com/2jese86.jpg
>
> I really think vegans should have their heads examined. Humans are
> omnivores and meat is part of a *normal* diet.
>
> Graham
The pun in the subject line was quite clever. :) (just in case you
>
> Graham
thought nobody got it)
Bob
graham
Dec 15, 2015, 5:16:28 PM12/15/15
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Graham
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Brooklyn1
Dec 15, 2015, 7:09:33 PM12/15/15
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amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.
Abiquiu
Dec 15, 2015, 7:17:14 PM12/15/15
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Brooklyn1
Dec 15, 2015, 7:18:59 PM12/15/15
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 19:43:15 -0000 (UTC), Bruce <Br...@Bruce.invalid>
wrote:
No, I'm saying you cheat... ALL so called vegetarians cheat.... I've
caught neighbors who claimed to be vegetarians eating balogna in a
parking lot, friggin' crappy Oscar Mayer. Blech If they're gonna
cheat at least with a decent steak. Brruthcie cheats by sucking penis
and swallowing man juice.
wrote:
caught neighbors who claimed to be vegetarians eating balogna in a
parking lot, friggin' crappy Oscar Mayer. Blech If they're gonna
cheat at least with a decent steak. Brruthcie cheats by sucking penis
and swallowing man juice.
Nunya Bidnits
Dec 15, 2015, 7:21:54 PM12/15/15
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"Brooklyn1" wrote in message
news:8la17bp92mtpme195...@4ax.com...
>Vegetarians/vegans don't eat eggs, or so they claim, and the
>vital
>amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.
Groupkilla
Dec 15, 2015, 7:43:43 PM12/15/15
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Nunya Bidnits wrote:
> Which specific vital amino acids are you talking about?
Sending folks viruses?
> Which specific vital amino acids are you talking about?
You're beneath scum.
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>
> 7/21/2011 11:57 AM
> rec.food.cooking, alt.sports.football.pro.gb-packers
>
>> Post flames are like getting the silver in the Olympics.
>>
>> Even if you win, you still lose.
>>
>> I am warning you now for the last time. I am not a snitch. But if you
>> try to
>> email me one more virsus like you did yesterday, you're getting a
>> visit from
>> law enforcement. I'm not joking about this. Quit it.
________________________________________________________________________________________
Dave Smith
Dec 15, 2015, 7:57:17 PM12/15/15
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On 2015-12-15 19:18, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> No, I'm saying you cheat... ALL so called vegetarians cheat.... I've
> caught neighbors who claimed to be vegetarians eating balogna in a
> parking lot, friggin' crappy Oscar Mayer. Blech If they're gonna
> cheat at least with a decent steak. Brruthcie cheats by sucking penis
> and swallowing man juice.
>
My best example and reason I will not cater to vegans is my nephew's
> No, I'm saying you cheat... ALL so called vegetarians cheat.... I've
> caught neighbors who claimed to be vegetarians eating balogna in a
> parking lot, friggin' crappy Oscar Mayer. Blech If they're gonna
> cheat at least with a decent steak. Brruthcie cheats by sucking penis
> and swallowing man juice.
>
daughter who appeared unexpectedly at a pot luck Boxing Day family
party. I didn't know she was in town or that she was vegan. She arrived
late, just as 15 people were ready to eat. My wife scoured the cupboards
looking for some something she could <?> eat.
About a year and a half later she was sitting across from my at a buffet
and I just had to check out her plate. It was loaded with beef, pork,
chicken, shrimp, fish......
Bruce
Dec 16, 2015, 1:11:19 AM12/16/15
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can eat eggs, butter, milk. Vegans don't.
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Bruce
Bruce
Dec 16, 2015, 1:13:26 AM12/16/15
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logic.
>Brruthcie cheats by sucking penis and swallowing man juice.
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Ophelia
Dec 16, 2015, 4:37:26 AM12/16/15
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Gary
Dec 16, 2015, 8:16:01 AM12/16/15
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Ophelia wrote:
>
> "Gary" wrote:
> > Ophelia wrote:
> >> lol no! I told you how I cook my bunnies and I haven't been able to
> >> persuade him to let me make them into burgers:))
> >
> > I'll bet if you grind a little bit with some beef fat, he might change
> > his mind.
>
> Why don't you come for a visit and I will make them for you!
I'm having trouble getting a passport for Mia. :-o
Evidently, the US never thought of that situation.
Not only that, the airlines want me to pay for an extra seat.
Really? :)
BTW - how do you cook rabbit? If you've told, I've forgotten. My
grandfather loved rabbit hunting and I often ate it there when I was
young. I don't ever remember fried or so but I do remember various
casseroles that contained bunny meat. good eats!
>
> "Gary" wrote:
> > Ophelia wrote:
> >> lol no! I told you how I cook my bunnies and I haven't been able to
> >> persuade him to let me make them into burgers:))
> >
> > I'll bet if you grind a little bit with some beef fat, he might change
> > his mind.
>
> Why don't you come for a visit and I will make them for you!
Evidently, the US never thought of that situation.
Not only that, the airlines want me to pay for an extra seat.
Really? :)
BTW - how do you cook rabbit? If you've told, I've forgotten. My
grandfather loved rabbit hunting and I often ate it there when I was
young. I don't ever remember fried or so but I do remember various
casseroles that contained bunny meat. good eats!
Gary
Dec 16, 2015, 8:47:08 AM12/16/15
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Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> Vegetarians/vegans don't eat eggs, or so they claim, and the vital
> amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.
Vegetarians eat dairy, just not meat.
>
> Vegetarians/vegans don't eat eggs, or so they claim, and the vital
> amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.
I've heard it said that the "egg" is almost the perfect food.
Fat and protein in the yolk and the egg-white contains
most or all of the required amino acids.
Dave Smith
Dec 16, 2015, 9:48:33 AM12/16/15
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On 2015-12-16 8:14 AM, Gary wrote:
> BTW - how do you cook rabbit? If you've told, I've forgotten. My
> grandfather loved rabbit hunting and I often ate it there when I was
> young. I don't ever remember fried or so but I do remember various
> casseroles that contained bunny meat. good eats!
>
It is tasty and, in my experience, best braised. Rabbit meat used to be
> BTW - how do you cook rabbit? If you've told, I've forgotten. My
> grandfather loved rabbit hunting and I often ate it there when I was
> young. I don't ever remember fried or so but I do remember various
> casseroles that contained bunny meat. good eats!
>
quite cheap but I was astounded at the high price of it the last time I
saw it for sale. It was one meat we never had at home when I was a kid.
My father's parents ran a rabbit ranch and they ate way too much rabbit
during the Depression.
Ophelia
Dec 16, 2015, 9:50:00 AM12/16/15
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"Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message news:567163CD...@att.net...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" wrote:
>
>> > Ophelia wrote:
>> >> lol no! I told you how I cook my bunnies and I haven't been able to
>> >> persuade him to let me make them into burgers:))
>> >
>> > I'll bet if you grind a little bit with some beef fat, he might change
>> > his mind.
>>
>> Why don't you come for a visit and I will make them for you!
>
> I'm having trouble getting a passport for Mia. :-o
> Evidently, the US never thought of that situation.
> Not only that, the airlines want me to pay for an extra seat.
> Really? :)
Pah you can't come without Mia!!! I am afraid you will just have to do
>>
>> "Gary" wrote:
>
>> > Ophelia wrote:
>> >> lol no! I told you how I cook my bunnies and I haven't been able to
>> >> persuade him to let me make them into burgers:))
>> >
>> > I'll bet if you grind a little bit with some beef fat, he might change
>> > his mind.
>>
>> Why don't you come for a visit and I will make them for you!
>
> I'm having trouble getting a passport for Mia. :-o
> Evidently, the US never thought of that situation.
> Not only that, the airlines want me to pay for an extra seat.
> Really? :)
without <g>
> BTW - how do you cook rabbit? If you've told, I've forgotten. My
> grandfather loved rabbit hunting and I often ate it there when I was
> young. I don't ever remember fried or so but I do remember various
> casseroles that contained bunny meat. good eats!
the pressure cooker and when it was cool, I coated it and fried it off. He
doesn't want it any other way now:))
I make my own coating if you are interested but I think you have your own
favourites.
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Janet
Dec 16, 2015, 9:55:51 AM12/16/15
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In article <8la17bp92mtpme195...@4ax.com>, gravesend10
You're mininformed. The difference between vegans and vegetarians is
that vegetarians DO eat eggs, milk and cheese etc. Vegans don't.
Janet UK
that vegetarians DO eat eggs, milk and cheese etc. Vegans don't.
Janet UK
Janet
Dec 16, 2015, 9:59:41 AM12/16/15
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In article <n4qv5c$dq$1...@dont-email.me>, Br...@Bruce.invalid says...
Its amazing that in a discussion group about food, there are still
longterm posters ignorant of either term or the difference between
them.
Janet UK
longterm posters ignorant of either term or the difference between
them.
Janet UK
Gary
Dec 16, 2015, 10:04:02 AM12/16/15
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Ophelia wrote:
>
> I always used to slow cook it but the last couple of times, I cooked it in
> the pressure cooker and when it was cool, I coated it and fried it off. He
> doesn't want it any other way now:))
>
> I make my own coating if you are interested but I think you have your own
> favourites.
Please do tell. I do have my own frying coating preferences but I'm
>
> I always used to slow cook it but the last couple of times, I cooked it in
> the pressure cooker and when it was cool, I coated it and fried it off. He
> doesn't want it any other way now:))
>
> I make my own coating if you are interested but I think you have your own
> favourites.
always willing to learn other and maybe better ways. :) Also...do
you ever add some kind of fat or just eat it lean?
Dave Smith
Dec 16, 2015, 10:11:55 AM12/16/15
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On 2015-12-16 9:55 AM, Janet wrote:
>> Vegetarians/vegans don't eat eggs, or so they claim, and the vital
>> amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.
>
> You're mininformed. The difference between vegans and vegetarians is
> that vegetarians DO eat eggs, milk and cheese etc. Vegans don't.
>
>
Some do. Some don't. The Wikipedia article about vegetarianism lists
>> Vegetarians/vegans don't eat eggs, or so they claim, and the vital
>> amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.
>
> You're mininformed. The difference between vegans and vegetarians is
> that vegetarians DO eat eggs, milk and cheese etc. Vegans don't.
>
>
about a dozen types if them. Some eat eggs but not dairy while some eat
dairy but not eggs. Some eat only fruits and vegetables that can be
eaten without harming the plant. Each seems to think they are entitled
to bragging rights for their particular school of vegetarianism.
graham
Dec 16, 2015, 10:19:23 AM12/16/15
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Dec 16, 2015, 10:34:56 AM12/16/15
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On 2015-12-16 10:20 AM, graham wrote:
>> Some do. Some don't. The Wikipedia article about vegetarianism lists
>> about a dozen types if them. Some eat eggs but not dairy while some eat
>> dairy but not eggs. Some eat only fruits and vegetables that can be
>> eaten without harming the plant. Each seems to think they are entitled
>> to bragging rights for their particular school of vegetarianism.
>>
> ... and expect those around them to cater to their every whim!
Yep. That has been my experience. A friend told me recently about his
>> Some do. Some don't. The Wikipedia article about vegetarianism lists
>> about a dozen types if them. Some eat eggs but not dairy while some eat
>> dairy but not eggs. Some eat only fruits and vegetables that can be
>> eaten without harming the plant. Each seems to think they are entitled
>> to bragging rights for their particular school of vegetarianism.
>>
> ... and expect those around them to cater to their every whim!
son and DiL becoming vegetarian and coming for a visit. They made some
vegetarian dishes but the son objected to them serving meat. They didn't
have to have any. One of my nephews and his wife vegetarian. They
always make the drive down to my brothers for Christmas, Easter and
Thanksgiving, the major feast holidays that feature large roasts, but
they do not want meat served. One year SiL could not cook the meal and
no one else stepped up to take over so they decider to order Chinese
food. The son and DiL wanted them to order only vegetarian dishes.
My brother and his wife cater to their diet, much to the disgust of
another of their sons who usually accepts a standing invitation to our
place. When the parents go to visit with the vegetarians there is no
reciprocal dietary accommodation. The DiL was upset that my brother
dared to cook a steak on their as BBQ. If my brother wants meat with a
meal up there he has to take everyone out for dinner and he gets stuck
with the bill.
Dave Smith
Dec 16, 2015, 10:35:43 AM12/16/15
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We have a friend who says she won't eat anything whose feet have touched
water.
Gary
Dec 16, 2015, 10:38:05 AM12/16/15
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Dave Smith wrote:
>
> The Wikipedia article about vegetarianism lists
> about a dozen types if them. Some eat eggs but not dairy while some eat
> dairy but not eggs. Some eat only fruits and vegetables that can be
> eaten without harming the plant.
I have a good vegetarian friend that skips meat only because he loves
>
> The Wikipedia article about vegetarianism lists
> about a dozen types if them. Some eat eggs but not dairy while some eat
> dairy but not eggs. Some eat only fruits and vegetables that can be
> eaten without harming the plant.
animals and won't promote killing them. Most of us are sheltered from
the killing part. Just buy nice tasty meat at the grocery store. I'd
be willing to bet some would become vegetarians if they actually did
have to kill and process for meat.
If that was the case, I would probably eat less meat but maybe not
quit completely. When I was a young teenager, I thought hunting was so
cool. Once I finally started doing it, it was a completely different
ball game. I went deer hunting twice. Once with my grandfather and we
never saw one. The next time was with a friend and I could have so
easily shot this deer (it was only about 50' away and I had my gun up
aiming at it). But it just stood there looking at me, all cute and
innocent, dammit. I ended up lowering my gun and shooing it away.
Then I've told my one rabbit hunting kill story here before. After
than, I went home, cleaned my shotgun and eventually sold it.
Janet
Dec 16, 2015, 10:44:19 AM12/16/15
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In article <JF2cy.9$cu...@fx13.iad>, adavid...@sympatico.ca says...
> My best example and reason I will not cater to vegans is my nephew's
> daughter who appeared unexpectedly at a pot luck Boxing Day family
> party. I didn't know she was in town or that she was vegan. She arrived
> late, just as 15 people were ready to eat. My wife scoured the cupboards
> looking for some something she could <?> eat.
in that circumstance I would have handed her a plate and said "help
yourself to whatever you can eat" (surely some vegetables, salad, fruit,
potatoes or rice or beans or bread at a potluck ?); no embarrassment for
anyone.
Janet UK
> My best example and reason I will not cater to vegans is my nephew's
> daughter who appeared unexpectedly at a pot luck Boxing Day family
> party. I didn't know she was in town or that she was vegan. She arrived
> late, just as 15 people were ready to eat. My wife scoured the cupboards
> looking for some something she could <?> eat.
yourself to whatever you can eat" (surely some vegetables, salad, fruit,
potatoes or rice or beans or bread at a potluck ?); no embarrassment for
anyone.
Janet UK
Janet
Dec 16, 2015, 10:51:31 AM12/16/15
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In article <567163CD...@att.net>, g.ma...@att.net says...
> I'm having trouble getting a passport for Mia. :-o
> Evidently, the US never thought of that situation.
> Not only that, the airlines want me to pay for an extra seat.
> Really? :)
Don't forget her rabies vaccination certificate.
Traditionally, ferrets travel down the trousers or up the sleeve of
their owner.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferret-legging
Janet UK
> I'm having trouble getting a passport for Mia. :-o
> Evidently, the US never thought of that situation.
> Not only that, the airlines want me to pay for an extra seat.
> Really? :)
Traditionally, ferrets travel down the trousers or up the sleeve of
their owner.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferret-legging
Janet UK
MisterDiddyWahDiddy
Dec 16, 2015, 11:08:40 AM12/16/15
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On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 10:05:18 AM UTC-6, Ophelia wrote:
> "Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message news:56702F79...@att.net...
> >> news:56702444...@att.net...
> >> > Ophelia wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> We never eat hamburgers let alone char one ..
> >> >
> >> > How about bunny burgers?
One thing that the Casa troll agree on is that New Mexico and Arizona
are stunning.
>
--Bryan
> "Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message news:56702F79...@att.net...
> >> news:56702444...@att.net...
> >> > Ophelia wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> We never eat hamburgers let alone char one ..
> >> >
> >> > How about bunny burgers?
> >>
> >> lol no! I told you how I cook my bunnies and I haven't been able to
> >> persuade him to let me make them into burgers:))
> >
> > I'll bet if you grind a little bit with some beef fat, he might change
> > his mind.
>
> Why don't you come for a visit and I will make them for you!
>
>
Or you could visit Gary. If you haven't seen the USA Southwest...
> >> lol no! I told you how I cook my bunnies and I haven't been able to
> >> persuade him to let me make them into burgers:))
> >
> > I'll bet if you grind a little bit with some beef fat, he might change
> > his mind.
>
> Why don't you come for a visit and I will make them for you!
>
>
One thing that the Casa troll agree on is that New Mexico and Arizona
are stunning.
>
--Bryan
Gary
Dec 16, 2015, 11:12:20 AM12/16/15
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Dave Smith wrote:
>
> We have a friend who says she won't eat anything whose feet have touched
> water.
??? WTH? lol
>
> We have a friend who says she won't eat anything whose feet have touched
> water.
Ophelia
Dec 16, 2015, 11:29:02 AM12/16/15
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"Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message news:56717D22...@att.net...
For mix: fresh breadcrumbs, Italian seasoning, garlic powder, onion powder,
salt, grated mozzarella.
Don't ask me for quantities because I don't measure, but it seems I could
coat just about anything in that and D will ask for more (???)) I just add
the stuff until it looks right. Oh he likes chops coated in that too.
Oh the bread is my own mix with seeds and wheat flakes
Sorry can't help you more then that.
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Dec 16, 2015, 11:51:30 AM12/16/15
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"MisterDiddyWahDiddy" <bryang...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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different countries. I am happy to stay here now:))
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Dec 16, 2015, 12:23:12 PM12/16/15
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"graham" wrote in message news:Kkfcy.167$TE6...@fx41.iad...
>I have a colleague who won't eat anything that has/had eyes.
>Graham
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Dec 16, 2015, 12:28:16 PM12/16/15
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Dec 16, 2015, 1:01:39 PM12/16/15
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and vegan for quite a while, has been informed of the
difference, and still refuses to learn.
Vegetarians: Won't eat anything that kills an animal
Vegan: Won't eat anything that inconveniences an animal
Cindy Hamilton
Nunya Bidnits
Dec 16, 2015, 1:11:40 PM12/16/15
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On 12/16/2015 10:22 AM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
> A Buddhist perhaps?
> So yeah, consider me an asshole. I'd be dejected if you
> thought of me in any other way. I'm an asshole and there's nothing
you can
> do about it, cretin.
>
> BTW, this group is hereby KILLED. Li'l boner was right! Yo poor slobs
> shoulda LISTENED!
>
> MUAHahahahaHAA! You DIE!
>
> So all of you go away. You don't have to go home but you can't stay here.
> BEGONE!
>
> I mean it.
>
> !! Come on, man.
>
> Now.
>
> Grrr....
>
> Drat. You aren't moving very fast.
>
> You folks already heard about The Agonizingly Slow Groupkillas,
didn't ya.
> Over in RFC.
>
> You aren't skeered any more, are ya.
>
> Well crap.
>
> Yeah, ok, we are indeed agonizingly slow at killing groups and we
were found
> out. Exposed. We admit this.
>
> OK then. Take your time but get the hell out. When you're ready No rush,
> but hurry up.
>
> And you're still killed. I mean it.
>
> On Behalf of The Agonizingly Slow Groupkillas® Cabal (TINASG®C),
>
> MartyB
> Supreme Exalted Leader and President for Life
> The Agonizingly Slow Groupkillas® Cabal (TINASG®C)
> Member #007 (license to groupkill)
> (adv)
> You too can become an Agonizingly Slow Groupkilla®! It's FREE! You are a
> member when you say you are. Just pick any title at all you want to claim
> for yourself, and assign yourself a any member number you like.
Except mine,
> of course.
> A Buddhist perhaps?
> So yeah, consider me an asshole. I'd be dejected if you
> thought of me in any other way. I'm an asshole and there's nothing
you can
> do about it, cretin.
>
> BTW, this group is hereby KILLED. Li'l boner was right! Yo poor slobs
> shoulda LISTENED!
>
> MUAHahahahaHAA! You DIE!
>
> So all of you go away. You don't have to go home but you can't stay here.
> BEGONE!
>
> I mean it.
>
> !! Come on, man.
>
> Now.
>
> Grrr....
>
> Drat. You aren't moving very fast.
>
> You folks already heard about The Agonizingly Slow Groupkillas,
didn't ya.
> Over in RFC.
>
> You aren't skeered any more, are ya.
>
> Well crap.
>
> Yeah, ok, we are indeed agonizingly slow at killing groups and we
were found
> out. Exposed. We admit this.
>
> OK then. Take your time but get the hell out. When you're ready No rush,
> but hurry up.
>
> And you're still killed. I mean it.
>
> On Behalf of The Agonizingly Slow Groupkillas® Cabal (TINASG®C),
>
> MartyB
> Supreme Exalted Leader and President for Life
> The Agonizingly Slow Groupkillas® Cabal (TINASG®C)
> Member #007 (license to groupkill)
> (adv)
> You too can become an Agonizingly Slow Groupkilla®! It's FREE! You are a
> member when you say you are. Just pick any title at all you want to claim
> for yourself, and assign yourself a any member number you like.
Except mine,
> of course.
Nunya Bidnits
Dec 16, 2015, 1:12:37 PM12/16/15
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On 12/15/2015 5:21 PM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>
> Which specific vital amino acids are you talking about?
>
> Which specific vital amino acids are you talking about?
Moe DeLoughan
Dec 16, 2015, 1:20:38 PM12/16/15
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said, Oh, too bad for Paul.
Abiquiu
Dec 16, 2015, 1:25:46 PM12/16/15
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Gary wrote:
> BTW - how do you cook rabbit?
Fried and then braised, you?
> BTW - how do you cook rabbit?
Abiquiu
Dec 16, 2015, 1:29:18 PM12/16/15
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Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message
> news:567163CD...@att.net...
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> "Gary" wrote:
>>
>>> > Ophelia wrote:
>>> >> lol no! I told you how I cook my bunnies and I haven't been able to
>>> >> persuade him to let me make them into burgers:))
>>> >
>>> > I'll bet if you grind a little bit with some beef fat, he might change
>>> > his mind.
>>>
>>> Why don't you come for a visit and I will make them for you!
>>
>> I'm having trouble getting a passport for Mia. :-o
>> Evidently, the US never thought of that situation.
>> Not only that, the airlines want me to pay for an extra seat.
>> Really? :)
>
> Pah you can't come without Mia!!! I am afraid you will just have to do
> without <g>
>
>
>> BTW - how do you cook rabbit? If you've told, I've forgotten. My
>> grandfather loved rabbit hunting and I often ate it there when I was
>> young. I don't ever remember fried or so but I do remember various
>> casseroles that contained bunny meat. good eats!
>
> I always used to slow cook it but the last couple of times, I cooked it
> in the pressure cooker and when it was cool, I coated it and fried it
> off. He doesn't want it any other way now:))
That sounds VERY nice!
>
>
> "Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message
> news:567163CD...@att.net...
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> "Gary" wrote:
>>
>>> > Ophelia wrote:
>>> >> lol no! I told you how I cook my bunnies and I haven't been able to
>>> >> persuade him to let me make them into burgers:))
>>> >
>>> > I'll bet if you grind a little bit with some beef fat, he might change
>>> > his mind.
>>>
>>> Why don't you come for a visit and I will make them for you!
>>
>> I'm having trouble getting a passport for Mia. :-o
>> Evidently, the US never thought of that situation.
>> Not only that, the airlines want me to pay for an extra seat.
>> Really? :)
>
> Pah you can't come without Mia!!! I am afraid you will just have to do
> without <g>
>
>
>> BTW - how do you cook rabbit? If you've told, I've forgotten. My
>> grandfather loved rabbit hunting and I often ate it there when I was
>> young. I don't ever remember fried or so but I do remember various
>> casseroles that contained bunny meat. good eats!
>
> I always used to slow cook it but the last couple of times, I cooked it
> in the pressure cooker and when it was cool, I coated it and fried it
> off. He doesn't want it any other way now:))
>
> I make my own coating if you are interested but I think you have your
> own favourites.
Abiquiu
Dec 16, 2015, 1:30:17 PM12/16/15
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Abiquiu
Dec 16, 2015, 1:35:46 PM12/16/15
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Abiquiu
Dec 16, 2015, 1:44:10 PM12/16/15
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Punch Line of the week!!!!
Bruce
Dec 16, 2015, 1:53:21 PM12/16/15
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On 17/12/2015 01:59 Janet wrote:
> In article <n4qv5c$dq$1...@dont-email.me>, Br...@Bruce.invalid says...
>> can eat eggs, butter, milk. Vegans don't.
>
> Its amazing that in a discussion group about food, there are still
> longterm posters ignorant of either term or the difference between
> them.
Yes, strange. I felt like I was stating the obvious.
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> In article <n4qv5c$dq$1...@dont-email.me>, Br...@Bruce.invalid says...
>>
>> On 16/12/2015 11:09 Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:58:52 -0000, Janet <nob...@home.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >>In article <ep907bt8rongnr7p2...@4ax.com>, gravesend10
>> >>@verizon.net says...
>> >>>
>> On 16/12/2015 11:09 Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:58:52 -0000, Janet <nob...@home.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >>In article <ep907bt8rongnr7p2...@4ax.com>, gravesend10
>> >>@verizon.net says...
>> >>>
>> >>> That's not true... humans must eat some meat to survive, they must
>> >>> ingest particular amino acids that are not present in any vegetables.
>> >>
>> >> The essential amino acids humans need, are available in eggs and dairy
>> >>(and beans and nuts) so vegetarians who eat those will have no
>> >>deficiency.
>> >>
>> >>> ingest particular amino acids that are not present in any vegetables.
>> >>
>> >> The essential amino acids humans need, are available in eggs and dairy
>> >>(and beans and nuts) so vegetarians who eat those will have no
>> >>deficiency.
>> >>
>> > Vegetarians/vegans don't eat eggs, or so they claim, and the vital
>> > amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.
>>
>> Let's distinguish between vegetarians and vegans. Vegetarians
>> > amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.
>>
>> can eat eggs, butter, milk. Vegans don't.
>
> Its amazing that in a discussion group about food, there are still
> longterm posters ignorant of either term or the difference between
> them.
Yes, strange. I felt like I was stating the obvious.
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Dec 16, 2015, 1:58:13 PM12/16/15
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I'd simply eat anything, except the meat. No catering to any whims
required.
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Ophelia
Dec 16, 2015, 2:00:47 PM12/16/15
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Dec 16, 2015, 2:16:41 PM12/16/15
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Ophelia
Dec 16, 2015, 2:53:28 PM12/16/15
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Oh hang on ... OK
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"For mix: fresh breadcrumbs, Italian seasoning, garlic powder, onion powder,
salt, grated mozzarella.
Don't ask me for quantities because I don't measure, but it seems I could
coat just about anything in that and D will ask for more (???)) I just add
the stuff until it looks right. Oh he likes chops coated in that too.
Oh the bread is my own mix with seeds and wheat flakes
Sorry can't help you more then that.
*awaits sneers* :))"
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"For mix: fresh breadcrumbs, Italian seasoning, garlic powder, onion powder,
salt, grated mozzarella.
Don't ask me for quantities because I don't measure, but it seems I could
coat just about anything in that and D will ask for more (???)) I just add
the stuff until it looks right. Oh he likes chops coated in that too.
Oh the bread is my own mix with seeds and wheat flakes
Sorry can't help you more then that.
*awaits sneers* :))"
--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
jmcquown
Dec 16, 2015, 4:27:43 PM12/16/15
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On 12/16/2015 1:20 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>
> Linda McCartney said she wouldn't eat anything that had a face. I said,
> Oh, too bad for Paul.
LOL! IIRC he caught her chowing down on a hamburger once.
>
> Linda McCartney said she wouldn't eat anything that had a face. I said,
> Oh, too bad for Paul.
Jill
Bruce
Dec 16, 2015, 4:48:04 PM12/16/15
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Dave Smith
Dec 16, 2015, 5:22:15 PM12/16/15
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On 2015-12-16 10:37 AM, Gary wrote:
> I have a good vegetarian friend that skips meat only because he loves
> animals and won't promote killing them. Most of us are sheltered from
> the killing part. Just buy nice tasty meat at the grocery store. I'd
> be willing to bet some would become vegetarians if they actually did
> have to kill and process for meat.
There is that to it. A lot of people scorn hunters because they think
it is cruel to get meat the old fashioned way, though it seems to be
perfectly acceptable for the native people because it is their tradition.
> Then I've told my one rabbit hunting kill story here before. After
> than, I went home, cleaned my shotgun and eventually sold it.
As I mentioned in another post, my father had had his fill of rabbit
when he was a kid in the Depression and ate way too much it. There is
an interesting scenario in his written account of escaping after being
shot down over Denmark during the war. He has sitting down on a small
hill near a rail line as a train loaded with munitions went by. He waved
at the German Guards and they waved back. A rabbit had hopped over
towards him and stood on it's hind legs, also watching the train go by.
Dad had not eaten in several days and the rabbit was close enough to
grab.... but he didn't.
> I have a good vegetarian friend that skips meat only because he loves
> animals and won't promote killing them. Most of us are sheltered from
> the killing part. Just buy nice tasty meat at the grocery store. I'd
> be willing to bet some would become vegetarians if they actually did
> have to kill and process for meat.
There is that to it. A lot of people scorn hunters because they think
it is cruel to get meat the old fashioned way, though it seems to be
perfectly acceptable for the native people because it is their tradition.
> Then I've told my one rabbit hunting kill story here before. After
> than, I went home, cleaned my shotgun and eventually sold it.
As I mentioned in another post, my father had had his fill of rabbit
when he was a kid in the Depression and ate way too much it. There is
an interesting scenario in his written account of escaping after being
shot down over Denmark during the war. He has sitting down on a small
hill near a rail line as a train loaded with munitions went by. He waved
at the German Guards and they waved back. A rabbit had hopped over
towards him and stood on it's hind legs, also watching the train go by.
Dad had not eaten in several days and the rabbit was close enough to
grab.... but he didn't.
Dave Smith
Dec 16, 2015, 5:31:05 PM12/16/15
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On 2015-12-16 10:44 AM, Janet wrote:
>> My best example and reason I will not cater to vegans is my nephew's
>> daughter who appeared unexpectedly at a pot luck Boxing Day family
>> party. I didn't know she was in town or that she was vegan. She arrived
>> late, just as 15 people were ready to eat. My wife scoured the cupboards
>> looking for some something she could <?> eat.
>
> in that circumstance I would have handed her a plate and said "help
> yourself to whatever you can eat" (surely some vegetables, salad, fruit,
> potatoes or rice or beans or bread at a potluck ?); no embarrassment for
> anyone.
>
Yep. You may have noticed that I said it was my wife who scoured the
kitchen cupboards to find something the kid could eat.
This is the same great niece who was sitting across from me at a brunch
buffet about a year and a half later. Naturally I was curious about what
a vegan could find to eat at a nice brunch buffet. .... bacon, roast
beef, turkey, devilled eggs, shrimp, pickled herring, smoked salmon....
She is a prime example of why I will not cater to people who follow fad
diets. She is now an accomplished chef and actress and has done a TV
cooking show. She has a small catering business. She can do vegan
stuff, but she does real food too.
>> My best example and reason I will not cater to vegans is my nephew's
>> daughter who appeared unexpectedly at a pot luck Boxing Day family
>> party. I didn't know she was in town or that she was vegan. She arrived
>> late, just as 15 people were ready to eat. My wife scoured the cupboards
>> looking for some something she could <?> eat.
>
> in that circumstance I would have handed her a plate and said "help
> yourself to whatever you can eat" (surely some vegetables, salad, fruit,
> potatoes or rice or beans or bread at a potluck ?); no embarrassment for
> anyone.
>
Yep. You may have noticed that I said it was my wife who scoured the
kitchen cupboards to find something the kid could eat.
This is the same great niece who was sitting across from me at a brunch
buffet about a year and a half later. Naturally I was curious about what
a vegan could find to eat at a nice brunch buffet. .... bacon, roast
beef, turkey, devilled eggs, shrimp, pickled herring, smoked salmon....
She is a prime example of why I will not cater to people who follow fad
diets. She is now an accomplished chef and actress and has done a TV
cooking show. She has a small catering business. She can do vegan
stuff, but she does real food too.
Dave Smith
Dec 16, 2015, 5:37:20 PM12/16/15
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On 2015-12-16 10:51 AM, Janet wrote:
> Don't forget her rabies vaccination certificate.
>
> Traditionally, ferrets travel down the trousers or up the sleeve of
> their owner.
>
And.... they are owned by people who seem to get a kick out of it.
> Don't forget her rabies vaccination certificate.
>
> Traditionally, ferrets travel down the trousers or up the sleeve of
> their owner.
>
And.... they are owned by people who seem to get a kick out of it.
Dave Smith
Dec 16, 2015, 6:01:34 PM12/16/15
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On 2015-12-16 1:01 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> Vegetarians: Won't eat anything that kills an animal
Cows don't intentionally kill animals.
> Vegetarians: Won't eat anything that kills an animal
> Vegan: Won't eat anything that inconveniences an animal
>
inconvenience bees since they live to produce it, but they don't mind
eating the food that other humans have had to labour to produce.
Bruce
Dec 16, 2015, 6:05:03 PM12/16/15
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Bruce
Abiquiu
Dec 16, 2015, 6:21:38 PM12/16/15
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Dave Smith wrote:
> She is now an accomplished chef and actress and has done a TV cooking
> show. She has a small catering business. She can do vegan stuff, but
> she does real food too.
I think I know who she is, long brunette hair?
> She is now an accomplished chef and actress and has done a TV cooking
> show. She has a small catering business. She can do vegan stuff, but
> she does real food too.
Bit of a looker.
dsi1
Dec 16, 2015, 6:52:44 PM12/16/15
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On 12/16/2015 4:55 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article <8la17bp92mtpme195...@4ax.com>, gravesend10
> @verizon.net says...
>>
> In article <8la17bp92mtpme195...@4ax.com>, gravesend10
> @verizon.net says...
>>
>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:58:52 -0000, Janet <nob...@home.org> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <ep907bt8rongnr7p2...@4ax.com>, gravesend10
>>> @verizon.net says...
>>>>
>>
>>> In article <ep907bt8rongnr7p2...@4ax.com>, gravesend10
>>> @verizon.net says...
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:34:01 +1100, Bruce <Br...@Bruce.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 05:09:52 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>>>>> <te...@ftupet.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> graham wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Humans are omnivores and meat is part of a *normal* diet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "In other words, there is very little evidence that our guts are terribly
>>>>>> special and the job of a generalist primate gut is primarily to eat
>>>>>> pieces of plants."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> he goes on to say that human gut microbes may have evolved to help with
>>>>>> digestion of meat but the science on that is new
>>>>>
>>>>> Our bodies don't mind if we eat meat or not. We're free to decide
>>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 05:09:52 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>>>>> <te...@ftupet.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> graham wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Humans are omnivores and meat is part of a *normal* diet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "In other words, there is very little evidence that our guts are terribly
>>>>>> special and the job of a generalist primate gut is primarily to eat
>>>>>> pieces of plants."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> he goes on to say that human gut microbes may have evolved to help with
>>>>>> digestion of meat but the science on that is new
>>>>>
>>>>> Our bodies don't mind if we eat meat or not. We're free to decide
>>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> That's not true... humans must eat some meat to survive, they must
>>>> ingest particular amino acids that are not present in any vegetables.
>>>
>>> The essential amino acids humans need, are available in eggs and dairy
>>> (and beans and nuts) so vegetarians who eat those will have no
>>> deficiency.
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>> ingest particular amino acids that are not present in any vegetables.
>>>
>>> The essential amino acids humans need, are available in eggs and dairy
>>> (and beans and nuts) so vegetarians who eat those will have no
>>> deficiency.
>>>
>>
>> Vegetarians/vegans don't eat eggs, or so they claim, and the vital
>> amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.
>
> You're mininformed. The difference between vegans and vegetarians is
> that vegetarians DO eat eggs, milk and cheese etc. Vegans don't.
>
> Janet UK
>> Vegetarians/vegans don't eat eggs, or so they claim, and the vital
>> amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.
>
> You're mininformed. The difference between vegans and vegetarians is
> that vegetarians DO eat eggs, milk and cheese etc. Vegans don't.
>
>
My son has a friend he calls "The Evil Vegan." He entered one of those
food challenges where you have to eat a ridiculous amount of food. If he
ate a giant burrito, in 30 minutes or less, he gets it free. I went to
take a little walk when he started his half-hour because watching most
people eating like a hog makes me queasy. I come back after 20 minutes
expecting to see him fail but he had long finished. That fucker
terminated that giant veggie burrito with extreme prejudice. Truly he
was the most evil one, or at least, the most evil vegan.
Abiquiu
Dec 16, 2015, 7:11:56 PM12/16/15
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Fortunate he was.
Cheryl
Dec 16, 2015, 9:49:06 PM12/16/15
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> news:56702444...@att.net...
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> We never eat hamburgers let alone char one ..
>>
>> How about bunny burgers?
>
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>> We never eat hamburgers let alone char one ..
>>
>> How about bunny burgers?
>
> lol no! I told you how I cook my bunnies and I haven't been able to
> persuade him to let me make them into burgers:))
>
I can't imagine not eating a nice juicy burger, but that's me. :)
> persuade him to let me make them into burgers:))
>
--
ღ.¸¸.✫*¨`*✶
Cheryl
Cheryl
Dec 16, 2015, 9:55:08 PM12/16/15
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when she's here, and make sure she gets the proper nutrients at the same
time. She's not vegan, so she'll eat eggs and cheese and (sometimes)
drink milk. Kids are so hard to get to drink enough milk.
Cheryl
Dec 16, 2015, 10:05:58 PM12/16/15
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On 12/15/2015 2:16 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
> Squirrels eat eggs, too. They'll also eat baby birds if they can manage
> to invade a nest not protected by a mother bird.
>
> Then again, birds also eat eggs. I've seen them do it. There was a
> funny moment many years ago when I was sitting on my apartment balcony
> after work. A woman came down the walkway carrying two bags of
> groceries. She dropped a carton of eggs. I guess not all of them broke
> because she picked up what was left and walked on to her apartment. Not
> a minute later, a bunch of house finches decended from the pine trees
> nearby. They ate the broken chicken eggs.
>
House sparrows are notorious for destruction of nests. Just watch bigger
birds like blue jays in the spring when there are sparrows around.
Sparrows have been a very destructive non-native species. Even a total
bird lover I know wouldn't bat an eye at killing a sparrow.
> Many birds will invade a nest and eat the hatchlings. Hence, the cowbird.
>
> Nature is cruel. Nature knows we need all sorts of foodstuffs to
> survive. That includes greens, seeds and grains. But no, we don't all
> have to be vegetarians. :)
Many birds will eat other birds or kill and/or eat the young or eggs of
other birds. Very right, nature is cruel. We watched a hawk swoop down
and grab a cardinal one day from my parents kitchen window. The hawk
wasn't very steady after that catch and lost control, let go of the
cardinal where it hit the big kitchen picture window. But the cardinal
got up, and flew off.
>>
> Squirrels eat eggs, too. They'll also eat baby birds if they can manage
> to invade a nest not protected by a mother bird.
>
> Then again, birds also eat eggs. I've seen them do it. There was a
> funny moment many years ago when I was sitting on my apartment balcony
> after work. A woman came down the walkway carrying two bags of
> groceries. She dropped a carton of eggs. I guess not all of them broke
> because she picked up what was left and walked on to her apartment. Not
> a minute later, a bunch of house finches decended from the pine trees
> nearby. They ate the broken chicken eggs.
>
House sparrows are notorious for destruction of nests. Just watch bigger
birds like blue jays in the spring when there are sparrows around.
Sparrows have been a very destructive non-native species. Even a total
bird lover I know wouldn't bat an eye at killing a sparrow.
> Many birds will invade a nest and eat the hatchlings. Hence, the cowbird.
>
> Nature is cruel. Nature knows we need all sorts of foodstuffs to
> survive. That includes greens, seeds and grains. But no, we don't all
> have to be vegetarians. :)
Many birds will eat other birds or kill and/or eat the young or eggs of
other birds. Very right, nature is cruel. We watched a hawk swoop down
and grab a cardinal one day from my parents kitchen window. The hawk
wasn't very steady after that catch and lost control, let go of the
cardinal where it hit the big kitchen picture window. But the cardinal
got up, and flew off.
MisterDiddyWahDiddy
Dec 16, 2015, 10:16:04 PM12/16/15
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On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 8:55:51 AM UTC-6, Janet wrote:
> In article <8la17bp92mtpme195...@4ax.com>, gravesend10
> @verizon.net says...
> >
> In article <8la17bp92mtpme195...@4ax.com>, gravesend10
> @verizon.net says...
> >
> > On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:58:52 -0000, Janet <nob...@home.org> wrote:
> >
> > >In article <ep907bt8rongnr7p2...@4ax.com>, gravesend10
> > >@verizon.net says...
> > >>
> >
> > >In article <ep907bt8rongnr7p2...@4ax.com>, gravesend10
> > >@verizon.net says...
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:34:01 +1100, Bruce <Br...@Bruce.invalid> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 05:09:52 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> > >> ><te...@ftupet.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>graham wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> Humans are omnivores and meat is part of a *normal* diet.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Graham
> > >> >>
> > >> >>"In other words, there is very little evidence that our guts are terribly
> > >> >>special and the job of a generalist primate gut is primarily to eat
> > >> >>pieces of plants."
> > >> >>
> > >> >><http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>he goes on to say that human gut microbes may have evolved to help with
> > >> >>digestion of meat but the science on that is new
> > >> >
> > >> >Our bodies don't mind if we eat meat or not. We're free to decide
> > >> >that.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 05:09:52 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> > >> ><te...@ftupet.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>graham wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> Humans are omnivores and meat is part of a *normal* diet.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Graham
> > >> >>
> > >> >>"In other words, there is very little evidence that our guts are terribly
> > >> >>special and the job of a generalist primate gut is primarily to eat
> > >> >>pieces of plants."
> > >> >>
> > >> >><http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>he goes on to say that human gut microbes may have evolved to help with
> > >> >>digestion of meat but the science on that is new
> > >> >
> > >> >Our bodies don't mind if we eat meat or not. We're free to decide
> > >> >that.
> > >>
> > >> That's not true... humans must eat some meat to survive, they must
> > >> ingest particular amino acids that are not present in any vegetables.
> > >
> > > The essential amino acids humans need, are available in eggs and dairy
> > >(and beans and nuts) so vegetarians who eat those will have no
> > >deficiency.
> > >
> > > Janet UK
> > >> ingest particular amino acids that are not present in any vegetables.
> > >
> > > The essential amino acids humans need, are available in eggs and dairy
> > >(and beans and nuts) so vegetarians who eat those will have no
> > >deficiency.
> > >
> >
> > Vegetarians/vegans don't eat eggs, or so they claim, and the vital
> > amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.
>
> > Vegetarians/vegans don't eat eggs, or so they claim, and the vital
> > amino acids are simply not available in beans or nuts.
>
> You're mininformed. The difference between vegans and vegetarians is
> that vegetarians DO eat eggs, milk and cheese etc. Vegans don't.
Another difference is that vegetarians are generally fairly normal people,
> that vegetarians DO eat eggs, milk and cheese etc. Vegans don't.
and vegans are generally fruitcakes.
>
> Janet UK
--Bryan
MisterDiddyWahDiddy
Dec 16, 2015, 10:24:51 PM12/16/15
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On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 12:01:39 PM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> He's been ignorant of the difference between vegetarian
> and vegan for quite a while, has been informed of the
> difference, and still refuses to learn.
Farming soybeans for tofu kills lots of earthworms.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
--Bryan
> and vegan for quite a while, has been informed of the
> difference, and still refuses to learn.
>
> Vegetarians: Won't eat anything that kills an animal
> Vegetarians: Won't eat anything that kills an animal
> Vegan: Won't eat anything that inconveniences an animal
>
I use the moniker, "Vegan Earthworm Holocaust" as my screen name on alt.punk.
>
Farming soybeans for tofu kills lots of earthworms.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
--Bryan
Bruce
Dec 16, 2015, 11:10:22 PM12/16/15
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Bruce
Bruce
Dec 16, 2015, 11:11:32 PM12/16/15
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MisterDiddyWahDiddy
Dec 16, 2015, 11:23:01 PM12/16/15
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whole milk, plus about a quart of half&half. I'm losing weight again, now
that I'm working again; in the 9 weeks I took off (late Aug. to late Oct) I
put on about 15 pounds. I need to cut the carbs down though, but I'm not
cutting down on milk, just potatoes (evil), and bread.
>
> --
> Bruce
--Bryan
Bruce
Dec 16, 2015, 11:32:20 PM12/16/15
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as a child: frozen in winter, curdled in summer.
--
Bruce
sf
Dec 17, 2015, 1:16:23 AM12/17/15
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 04:07:46 -0000 (UTC), Bruce <Br...@Bruce.invalid>
wrote:
My husband told me just today that he stopped drinking milk at an
early age because it made him feel bad. I know as an adult, his
tolerance is one mug of hot chocolate.
--
sf
wrote:
early age because it made him feel bad. I know as an adult, his
tolerance is one mug of hot chocolate.
--
sf
sf
Dec 17, 2015, 1:19:16 AM12/17/15
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 04:29:25 -0000 (UTC), Bruce <Br...@Bruce.invalid>
wrote:
>
happened to our milk.
--
sf
wrote:
>
> I still suffer from milk PTSD after having been exposed to "school milk"
> as a child: frozen in winter, curdled in summer.
Sorry to hear it! I attended a 3 room school house and that never
> as a child: frozen in winter, curdled in summer.
happened to our milk.
--
sf
Bruce
Dec 17, 2015, 1:21:03 AM12/17/15
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Bruce
Ophelia
Dec 17, 2015, 5:58:57 AM12/17/15
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Cindy Hamilton
Dec 17, 2015, 7:02:00 AM12/17/15
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On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 6:01:34 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-12-16 1:01 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> > Vegetarians: Won't eat anything that kills an animal
> Cows don't intentionally kill animals.
You're right, that was badly worded.
> On 2015-12-16 1:01 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> > Vegetarians: Won't eat anything that kills an animal
> Cows don't intentionally kill animals.
> > Vegan: Won't eat anything that inconveniences an animal
> >
>
> Funny how they won't eat something like honey, which doesn't really
> inconvenience bees since they live to produce it, but they don't mind
> eating the food that other humans have had to labour to produce.
choose to labor producing food where bees can't. But it's probably
that they think animals are more worthy of respect than humans.
It's funny. You always see those types throwing red paint on women in
fur coats, never on bikers in leather. So much for principles.
Cindy Hamilton
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