recommendation for meat grinder
Mark Thorson
I do have a manual grinder, but it is an Italian Jolly
brand made out of plastic. It's served me well for
what it is, but I need a real machine, powered by
electricity. I understand this is a subject for which
many have strong opinions. I'd like to hear them.
ImStillMags
Do you have a Kitchen Aid Mixer? Unless you are planning on grinding
up a whole cow, the grinder attachment works very well for most people.
cshenk
1 x Tasin TS-108 Electric Meat Grinder (Tasin TS-108) = $150.00
(Onestop Jerkey Shop)
A quality model capably of grinding bones for rawfeeding dogs.
notbob
Jim Elbrecht
>I've pretty much decided I need a serious meat grinder.
How serious? A couple pounds at a time-- or 'I just got 100 pounds
of venison that needs to be ground and frozen today?"
>I do have a manual grinder, but it is an Italian Jolly
>brand made out of plastic. It's served me well for
>what it is, but I need a real machine, powered by
>electricity. I understand this is a subject for which
>many have strong opinions. I'd like to hear them.
I've used a hand grinder for the rare occasions I've needed one, but I
just got a meat grinder for my kitchenaid mixer - mostly for the fruit
and veggie strainer.
I ground up 4 lbs of sirloin yesterday & now I think I'll be eating
better ground beef. It sure made quick work of it-- and it cleans up
like a breeze. The grinder plate and knife is hand wash only, but
the bulk of it goes in the dishwasher.
So-- If you *have* a kitchenaid mixer and don't need to grind 5 pounds
a minute- I would recommend the attachment.
Jim
zxcvbob
I have one of these. It will grind a whole beef brisket in just a
few minutes. It takes standard #10 or #12 plates, but the square
drive for the knife is a little too big -- it could be filed down to
take standard knives, but the knife that came with the unit is a
good one so it doesn't really matter. HTH :-)
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_36989_36989
-Bob
Mark Thorson
No, I don't.
Mark Thorson
>
> Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
> >I've pretty much decided I need a serious meat grinder.
>
> How serious? A couple pounds at a time-- or 'I just got 100 pounds
> of venison that needs to be ground and frozen today?"
Just a countertop model. Not more than 1500W.
Mark Thorson
>
> Get the most powerful one you can afford.
I'm limited to about 1500W by the electricity here.
More than that risks blowing a fuse. I live in
an old house, in which electricity and plumbing
were added after the house was built. I've been
told it was originally a barn, which explains the
dirt floor downstairs.
Steve Pope
>Omelet wrote:
You can always install a new service entrance, breaker
box, and several new circuits thus allowing you to run
several industrial-scale meat grinders simultaneously
so that you can grind hundreds of pounds of meat per
minute.
Or you could get the Kitchenaid attachment.
S.
Boron Elgar
wrote:
Even if you did, my recommendation would be for a separate grinder.
This way, if the mixer goes south or is replaced for any reason, you
do not lose all the attachment tools. Ask me how I know.....
boron
Mark Thorson
Ah, I see how the KithenAid people are locking people
into their system. Kind of like how Nikon and Canon
used to lock people into their film cameras.
Jim Elbrecht
the OP said he didn't have a Kitchenaid.
Boron Elgar <boron...@hootmail.com> wrote:
-snip-
>
>Even if you did, my recommendation would be for a separate grinder.
>This way, if the mixer goes south or is replaced for any reason, you
>do not lose all the attachment tools. Ask me how I know.....
Just curious- did you replace the mixer with a different brand, or
did the new one not take older style attachments?
If you changed brands- what did you come from and go to.
I like having one motor that does lots of things. So far I haven't
been disappointed in the kitchenaid attachments- as far as I can
tell they haven't changed in 30-40 years.
Jim
[and on that vein- anybody want some attachments for an old style
Cuisinart?]
Stu
I watched a documentary on Kitchen Aid stand mixers, they said that all
attachments since the first mixer came off the assembly line can still be used
on today's models.
--
Stu
So much more than just a recipe website
Recipe of the week "CHILI CHICKEN"
http://foodforu.ca/recipeofweek.html
Boron Elgar
wrote:
>A couple of us recommended the Kitchenaid meat grinder attachment and
>the OP said he didn't have a Kitchenaid.
>
>Boron Elgar <boron...@hootmail.com> wrote:
>-snip-
>>
>>Even if you did, my recommendation would be for a separate grinder.
>>This way, if the mixer goes south or is replaced for any reason, you
>>do not lose all the attachment tools. Ask me how I know.....
>
>Just curious- did you replace the mixer with a different brand, or
>did the new one not take older style attachments?
>
>If you changed brands- what did you come from and go to.
I am giving my son my Kenwood - a solid rock of a mixer that I have
had for almost 20 years. Still works perfectly. It is a mom's sincere
cooking gift to her kid. He gets the grain mill, the blender and a few
other accoutrements acquired over the past 2 decades. They all work,
too.
I am a bread baker and I do not use the Kenwood for doughs, generally,
as I usually make 9-10 lbs of whole grain bread...too much for a 5qt
mixer, even one of the strength of an old Kenwood. I use my Electrolux
for breads.
I still need an "everyday" mixer for cookies and cakes. I am biting my
tongue, crossing my fingers and getting a 6qt KA.
>
>I like having one motor that does lots of things. So far I haven't
>been disappointed in the kitchenaid attachments- as far as I can
>tell they haven't changed in 30-40 years.
That may be so, but there are a lot of good mixers out there these
days and if one is heavily invested in KA attachments, one might be
guided only to look at them
Again, My decision to go with KA this time is because I do not need a
real workhorse. This will be my "puff" mixer. Were I looking for
something to do serious bread making, I'd be looking more broadly.
>
>Jim
>[and on that vein- anybody want some attachments for an old style
>Cuisinart?]
Have a bunch myself, thanks.
Boron
notbob
> real workhorse. This will be my "puff" mixer. Were I looking for
> something to do serious bread making, I'd be looking more broadly.
The advantage to the Kenwoods is the number of attachments, or used to
be. There used to be over 23 attachements for the 3 diff speed pwr
takeoffs. Even a kibbe maker, whatever the heck that is. Not sure
what's available, anymore. I know more makers have entered the
orbital stand mixer field, including Viking, Hamilton Beach, and
Cuisinart. Kenwood is now owned by DeLonghi, which I've never been
impressed by. I don't know who is making the Metropolis-Robot looking
Wolfgang Puck mixer. I'll keep my Kenwood.
nb
sf
<boron...@hootmail.com> wrote:
> I still need an "everyday" mixer for cookies and cakes. I am biting my
> tongue, crossing my fingers and getting a 6qt KA.
I'm just looking at the smallest one, what you do you think - tilt
head or lift bowl? I saw a comment where the person said she got a
lift bowl without thinking about it and was glad later because once
she got it she realized she didn't have enough clearance to
accommodate a tilt. It looks like the beater just slips on and off
the stem - no tightening, is it really that easy?
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
Jim Elbrecht
-snip-
>
>I watched a documentary on Kitchen Aid stand mixers, they said that all
>attachments since the first mixer came off the assembly line can still be used
>on today's models.
That sounds like a cool documentary-- I'll have to look for it. Glad
to hear their attachment coupler is a 60-70 yr old design. If it
works- don't change it.
Jim
Lyndon Watson
> notbob <not...@notbob.invalid> wrote:
> > Kenwood is now owned by DeLonghi, which I've never been
> > impressed by. I don't know who is making the Metropolis-Robot looking
> > Wolfgang Puck mixer. I'll keep my Kenwood.
>
> Where it was made? I dunno!
It was a Japanese product, sold under the name "Trio" elsewhere. I
don't think there is any connection with the English company.
My Kenwood Chef was bought by my parents in 1949 and has never needed
any sort of servicing. These days it's used mainly for bread dough
mixing.
More recently Kenwood have introduced a lighter "patisserie" machine
that looks a bit like a KA, but apparently it is not nearly as robust
as the older Kenwoods. "Consumer" magazine here rated it as inferior
to competing models.
LW
ImStillMags
Lift bowl, definitely. Trust me.
Jim Elbrecht
-snip-
>
>I am a bread baker and I do not use the Kenwood for doughs, generally,
>as I usually make 9-10 lbs of whole grain bread...too much for a 5qt
>mixer, even one of the strength of an old Kenwood. I use my Electrolux
>for breads.
Whew-- I never do more than about 3lbs.
>
>I still need an "everyday" mixer for cookies and cakes. I am biting my
>tongue, crossing my fingers and getting a 6qt KA.
I sure like mine. I don't know that much about cooking- but I know
machinery & it is a darn fine piece of machinery.
>>
>>I like having one motor that does lots of things. So far I haven't
>>been disappointed in the kitchenaid attachments- as far as I can
>>tell they haven't changed in 30-40 years.
>
>That may be so, but there are a lot of good mixers out there these
>days and if one is heavily invested in KA attachments, one might be
>guided only to look at them
I'm hoping I'll be dead before the KA is. And I won't be tempted
to replace it by something new.
Jim
Jim Elbrecht
>On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 15:36:03 -0500, Boron Elgar
><boron...@hootmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I still need an "everyday" mixer for cookies and cakes. I am biting my
>> tongue, crossing my fingers and getting a 6qt KA.
>
>I'm just looking at the smallest one, what you do you think - tilt
>head or lift bowl? I saw a comment where the person said she got a
>lift bowl without thinking about it and was glad later because once
>she got it she realized she didn't have enough clearance to
>accommodate a tilt.
I owned a tilt for 4 hours last spring. I picked it up, did a
batch of bread in it, and brought it back for the 6qt.
The 5qt tilt 'kind of' held my 7cups-of-flour bread mix-- but the
motor labored to knead it for 4 minutes. It was smelling like it
would burst into flames.
So I brought it back and got the 6qt bowl lift. It hurt. I'm a
cheap SOB & don't like to spend more than I have to for any tool. But
it was money well spent. The extra quart is nice-- but the motor on
the 5qt was 350watts, the 6qt is 575.
It doesn't strain to grind meat, churn ice cream or knead stiff dough.
I probably would have burned the smaller one up in a year or two--
this one should last me a decade or two.
If you're just going to use it for cookies and cakes the smaller one
should be fine- but if you are thinking of running attachments on it,
consider the bigger one.
>It looks like the beater just slips on and off
>the stem - no tightening, is it really that easy?
Yep-- That's a pretty neat coupling.
Jim
Mark Thorson
>
> I have one of these. It will grind a whole beef brisket in just a
> few minutes. It takes standard #10 or #12 plates, but the square
> drive for the knife is a little too big -- it could be filed down to
> take standard knives, but the knife that came with the unit is a
> good one so it doesn't really matter. HTH :-)
>
> http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_36989_36989
Thanks. I'm leaning toward that one.
Only $99, with the current sale.
Victor Sack
> I've pretty much decided I need a serious meat grinder.
From what I gather, there is now only one 110V meat grinder/mincer on the
American market which is not produced in China/Laogai: the made-in-Japan
Panasonic MK-G20NR-W.
In the 220-240V category, there is a choice of producing countries. I
like the made-in-Germany Braun Power Plus 1300 (also labelled G1300K).
Some US distributors carry this and other such mincers, for example
<http://www.newkunst.com/cat.asp?mCat=Small%20Appliance&sCat=Meat%20Grinder>.
This is just an example, not a personal recommendation, as I do not know
anything about this particular retailer. Otherwise, these mincers may
have to be ordered from abroad.
Victor
Jean B.
my mom used, even though I don't have her mixer--or my
grandmother's. I keep forgetting to look but think my mixer was
from the Hobart days though.
Drat! I just saw a mixer repair place and have already forgotten
where it is. A couple of years ago, I got an old KA mixer (with a
glass bowl--not the same as grandma's though), and it is missing a
piece that has since evolved. I suspect a mixer repair place
might be able to replace it.
--
Jean B.
J. Clarke
says...
>
> On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 15:36:03 -0500, Boron Elgar
> <boron...@hootmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I still need an "everyday" mixer for cookies and cakes. I am biting my
> > tongue, crossing my fingers and getting a 6qt KA.
>
> I'm just looking at the smallest one, what you do you think - tilt
> head or lift bowl? I saw a comment where the person said she got a
> lift bowl without thinking about it and was glad later because once
> she got it she realized she didn't have enough clearance to
> accommodate a tilt. It looks like the beater just slips on and off
> the stem - no tightening, is it really that easy?
You twist it a quarter turn or so.
Boron Elgar
My Kenwood has never so much as burped mechanically. And believe me,
that thing has gotten a workout over the years. I have one recipe for
Cocodrilo bread that requires it to run for 17 minutes at high speed.
To be honest - The head-raising lever was a cheap piece of plastic and
replaced quickly, and somehow over the past year I lost a rubber
footie, but it is exactly the height of a nickel and I always have
loose change.
Within a year after I bought mine, the line was taken over in the US
by Rival and then by DeLonghi, as you mention, and Rival was never so
hot, either. Customer service went all to hell, but since the thing is
a workhorse, I was fortunate in never having to experience it any
closer than other owners' online complaints with the re-branded
machines.
The current Cuisineart and Viking mixers look as if they are stolen
from the Kenwood design. I often wondered.
Boron
Boron Elgar
>On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 15:36:03 -0500, Boron Elgar
><boron...@hootmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I still need an "everyday" mixer for cookies and cakes. I am biting my
>> tongue, crossing my fingers and getting a 6qt KA.
>
>I'm just looking at the smallest one, what you do you think - tilt
>head or lift bowl? I saw a comment where the person said she got a
>lift bowl without thinking about it and was glad later because once
>she got it she realized she didn't have enough clearance to
>accommodate a tilt. It looks like the beater just slips on and off
>the stem - no tightening, is it really that easy?
I have just taken it out of the box, but won't put it through its
paces until the weekend.
I got the lift bowl and it is a good 4.5" higher than the Kenwood.
Dunno where in hell I am going to keep it now.....
Boron
Nunya Bidnits
To be fair, you can buy a brand new KA grinder attachment and it works fine
on an ancient KA mixer (which will probably outlive a new one). Ask me how I
know. ;-)
You can buy a high quality manual grinder for well under a hundred bucks.
Again, not much to go wrong. But electric or manual, if I were going to buy
one today, I'd want it to include a sausage stuffer with the spring loaded
can-like reservoir you can load up with meat
MartyB
Nunya Bidnits
ImStillMags <sitar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 31, 3:21 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
>> I've pretty much decided I need a serious meat grinder.
>> brand made out of plastic. It's served me well for
>> what it is, but I need a real machine, powered by
>> electricity. I understand this is a subject for which
>> many have strong opinions. I'd like to hear them.
>
> up a whole cow, the grinder attachment works very well for most
> people.
I agree, but with the caveat that you can't feed large pieces, strips, or
crowd the tube, especially with fatty meat intended for sausage like pork
butt. I cube up the meat in about 1 inch pieces and never pack the tube and
it does a fabulous job.
MartyB
Boron Elgar
wrote:
Pentax and MInolta did it, too. I was a photography junkie in those
years and I stuck with Minoltas until I switched over to digital.
Boron
sf
wrote:
> sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 15:36:03 -0500, Boron Elgar
> ><boron...@hootmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I still need an "everyday" mixer for cookies and cakes. I am biting my
> >> tongue, crossing my fingers and getting a 6qt KA.
> >
> >I'm just looking at the smallest one, what you do you think - tilt
> >head or lift bowl? I saw a comment where the person said she got a
> >lift bowl without thinking about it and was glad later because once
> >she got it she realized she didn't have enough clearance to
> >accommodate a tilt.
>
> I owned a tilt for 4 hours last spring. I picked it up, did a
> batch of bread in it, and brought it back for the 6qt.
>
> The 5qt tilt 'kind of' held my 7cups-of-flour bread mix-- but the
> motor labored to knead it for 4 minutes. It was smelling like it
> would burst into flames.
>
> So I brought it back and got the 6qt bowl lift. It hurt. I'm a
> cheap SOB & don't like to spend more than I have to for any tool. But
> it was money well spent. The extra quart is nice-- but the motor on
> the 5qt was 350watts, the 6qt is 575.
Thanks for those observations! I hadn't thought about how
powerful/weak the motor is and I wasn't thinking of doing more dough
than I would ask my Cuisinart to do, but I can see where it would be
easy to let the amount creep up with all that bowl space to fill.
>
> It doesn't strain to grind meat, churn ice cream or knead stiff dough.
> I probably would have burned the smaller one up in a year or two--
> this one should last me a decade or two.
>
> If you're just going to use it for cookies and cakes the smaller one
> should be fine- but if you are thinking of running attachments on it,
> consider the bigger one.
I haven't even considered the attachments yet! How does a 6qt work
with just enough batter for an ordinary sized cake? Doesn't that
small of an amount sorta get lost way down in there?
>
> >It looks like the beater just slips on and off
> >the stem - no tightening, is it really that easy?
>
> Yep-- That's a pretty neat coupling.
>
Sounds easy enough, thanks.
Jim Elbrecht
-snip-
>I haven't even considered the attachments yet!
Mine came with a coupon for the ice cream maker. I wouldn't have
bought it otherwise--- but boy am I glad it did. It is small, which I
thought was a down side at first-- but I'd never get through my
favorite ice cream book if I was making big batches.
>How does a 6qt work
>with just enough batter for an ordinary sized cake? Doesn't that
>small of an amount sorta get lost way down in there?
When adjusted right it mixes from the bottom - so no matter how little
is in three, it gets it.
Mine- and several other folk's mixers, I found out- was slightly out
of adjustment from the factory. The manual recommends you put a
dime in the bowl and turn it on. The dime should get brushed on
every turn of the beater. Mine needed to be adjusted about 1/4".
I did it- but it is a warranty thing for the squeamish.
Now it will whip a single egg white to a stiff peak in short order. I
had looked at the beaters with little spatulas on them- but no need.
The stock beater seems to get everything mixed up.
Jim
sf
wrote:
> Now it will whip a single egg white to a stiff peak in short order. I
> had looked at the beaters with little spatulas on them- but no need.
> The stock beater seems to get everything mixed up.
Wow! I would have thought one egg white would be too little for such
a big bowl. Thanks! Where do you store your machine?
Ed Pawlowski
"Jim Elbrecht" <elbr...@email.com> wrote >
> is in three, it gets it.
>
Get a Beater Blade for about $20. Mixes better than the stock blade.
sf
wrote:
Do both the stock paddle and the whisk come with the unit or is one of
them an extra charge?
Jim Elbrecht
>On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 23:35:55 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snetnospam.net>
>wrote:
>
>> ?
>> "Jim Elbrecht" <elbr...@email.com> wrote >
>> > When adjusted right it mixes from the bottom - so no matter how little
>> > is in three, it gets it.
>> >
>>
>> Get a Beater Blade for about $20. Mixes better than the stock blade.
>
>Do both the stock paddle and the whisk come with the unit or is one of
>them an extra charge?
I think there might be different 'packages' - but mine came with the
beater, the dough hook, and the whisk. [and the plastic 'pouring
shield which I tried to use once- but gather dust with, now]
Bought it at Sears, BTW. It was $350 -the same price as Amazon.
You might find that what you mix needs one of the beater blades- but I
haven't felt a need for it since I adjusted my bowl height.
Jim
Michael O'Connor
> I don't get it. You'll never loose a Kitchenaide, and nobody has ever
> reported that their grinder attachment has broken.
>
I bought a Kitchen Aid a couple months ago, and tried the meat grinder
a few times. It works well, I bought my own chuck roast and cut it
into small pieces and ground it, but you have to trim off a lot of
that stringy fat.
Boron Elgar
>On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 23:35:55 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snetnospam.net>
>wrote:
>
>> ?
>> "Jim Elbrecht" <elbr...@email.com> wrote >
>> > When adjusted right it mixes from the bottom - so no matter how little
>> > is in three, it gets it.
>> >
>>
>> Get a Beater Blade for about $20. Mixes better than the stock blade.
>
>Do both the stock paddle and the whisk come with the unit or is one of
>them an extra charge?
Whisk, dough hook and stock paddle were in the box.
Boron
Boron Elgar
wrote:
>On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 14:35:21 -0500, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>
>> A couple of us recommended the Kitchenaid meat grinder attachment and
>> the OP said he didn't have a Kitchenaid.
>>
>> Boron Elgar <boron...@hootmail.com> wrote:
>> -snip-
>>>
>>>Even if you did, my recommendation would be for a separate grinder.
>>>This way, if the mixer goes south or is replaced for any reason, you
>>>do not lose all the attachment tools. Ask me how I know.....\
>
>I don't get it. You'll never loose a Kitchenaide, and nobody has ever
>reported that their grinder attachment has broken.
>
>-sw
Among bread bakers, KAs of the last decade or so are notorious for
stripping their gears and/or burning out. If you then decide to buy a
mixer that can really handle bread dough, you'd then be stuck with a
KA-only grinder and nothing with which to power it.
Look, I have a nice, new KP26M1XPM-Professional-600-Series-6-Quart
sitting on my kitchen table right now. I am sure it'll give me years
of happy use, but I am not doing any serious bread baking with it.
It's cute and ideal for cakes and cookies, but THIS is for bread:
http://kodiakhealth.com/catalog/extra/DLXwhatYouGet.jpg
Boron
notbob
> by Rival and then by DeLonghi, as you mention, and Rival was never so
Mine is a Rival. I got it jes as Rival dropped them and retailers
were clearing their shelves. I think Rival was jes a rebranding, as I
saw them sell for nother few years under the original Kenwood name,
with better models. They were even featured on a couple PBS cooking
shows. I never got around to more than a couple attachments. The
coffee grinder sucked, but I still have the spice grinder attachment.
Despite mine being the cheaper all plastic model, I've had not a bit
of trouble with it and it's still chugging along jes fine.
nb
notbob
> Pentax and MInolta did it, too. I was a photography junkie in those
> years and I stuck with Minoltas until I switched over to digital.
How did they lock one in? I had Canon and could buy Vivitar lenses,
Fuji or Kodak film, 3rd party flashes, etc. There's more of an
attempted lock in with digital ...think proprietary RAW formats, dwnld
software, etc.... but still ways around it. I bypass Canon's horrible
dwnld issues by simply taking out the memory card and hooking it
directly to my linux computer with a card reader.
nb
notbob
> Whisk, dough hook and stock paddle were in the box.
I think Ed is referring to those aftermkt blades with the rubber
wipers built in:
nb
Ed Pawlowski
"notbob" <not...@notbob.invalid> wrote in message
news:8qt3h4...@mid.individual.net...
> On 2011-02-01, Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Pentax and MInolta did it, too. I was a photography junkie in those
>> years and I stuck with Minoltas until I switched over to digital.
>
> How did they lock one in? I had Canon and could buy Vivitar lenses,
> Fuji or Kodak film, 3rd party flashes, etc.
No different than the auto industry. That GM water pump will not fit a
Ford, but there are plenty of third party units that will.
OTOH, they are not locking you into using their lenses, but your next camera
purchase. If you have a large collection of Brand X lenses, you probably
won't be quick to change to Brand Y
Ed Pawlowski
"sf" <s...@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:6aphk6580ee7b8gh4...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 23:35:55 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snetnospam.net>
> wrote:
>
>> ?
>> "Jim Elbrecht" <elbr...@email.com> wrote >
>> > When adjusted right it mixes from the bottom - so no matter how little
>> > is in three, it gets it.
>> >
>>
>> Get a Beater Blade for about $20. Mixes better than the stock blade.
>
> Do both the stock paddle and the whisk come with the unit or is one of
> them an extra charge?
Paddle, whisk and dough hook included
notbob
> purchase. If you have a large collection of Brand X lenses, you probably
> won't be quick to change to Brand Y
True dat. My first SERIOUS camera was an Olympus, which took
brilliant pictures. In fact, their lenses often got higher ratings
than Nikon or Canon. Unfortunately, it wasn't a pro grade body and
the metal shutter rusted after only a year, rendering the thing
useless. I'm glad I hadn't invested in extra lenses at that point.
nb
Boron Elgar
You could always buy other lenses, but the mounts usually only worked
with one camera brand. I had some Tamron and Vivitar lenses, as I
recall.
I have several Canon digitals now...P&S & DSLRs, and always remove the
card. Wait, I take that back...I have to use the cable for the new
16mb SDHC card I got, because my computer card reader will not
recognize anything over 8. I just got the card a week or so ago and
found this out. No reason to go out and buy a new computer...hmmm...or
is it?
Boron
Boron Elgar
I'll reserve judgment until I take Betsy out for a test run this
weekend.
Do they make those for the bowl-raised version, too?
Frankly, if I have ever worked with an odd dough, I just stop the
mixer and use a rubber scraper to floop it all together. Can't say
that on other mixers it has been so much of a problem that I'd shell
out more for another beater.
Boron
Stu
>?
>"sf" <s...@geemail.com> wrote in message
>news:6aphk6580ee7b8gh4...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 23:35:55 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snetnospam.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ?
>>> "Jim Elbrecht" <elbr...@email.com> wrote >
>>> > When adjusted right it mixes from the bottom - so no matter how little
>>> > is in three, it gets it.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Get a Beater Blade for about $20. Mixes better than the stock blade.
>>
>> Do both the stock paddle and the whisk come with the unit or is one of
>> them an extra charge?
>
>Paddle, whisk and dough hook included
I picked up the meat grinder attachment for my KA at a garage sale for $6
notbob
> card. Wait, I take that back...I have to use the cable for the new
> 16mb SDHC card I got, because my computer card reader will not
> recognize anything over 8. I just got the card a week or so ago and
> found this out. No reason to go out and buy a new computer...hmmm...or
> is it?
Perhaps it's jes the card reader. I know earlier card readers didn't
allow one to write to the card and now most do. Mine CR takes SDHC
cards, which are up to 32G, but I've only tried a 4G card. You
computer can't be much older than mine, an ancient P4 box w/ USB 1.1.
nb
Brooklyn1
>Ed Pawlowski <e...@snetnospam.net> wrote:
>
>> purchase. If you have a large collection of Brand X lenses, you probably
>> won't be quick to change to Brand Y
>
>True dat.
>
A lotta nonsense.
Probably not at Walmart, Costco, and of that ilk but most pro type
camera shops carry a broad stock of lens adapter rings/bushings...
even for fitting camera bodies to telescopes/microscopes.... most in
the $15 to $25 range. If your local camera shop doesn't have what
you need they can order from catalogs. I've very recently purchased
adapters for my spotting scope. There are many web sites that sell
lens adapters, here's one out of of hundreds:
http://www.bugeyedigital.com/
It's silly to think one needs to buy same brand cameras and lenses...
often even same brand needs an adaptor because of model changes over
the years.
Jim Elbrecht
>On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 19:38:00 -0500, Jim Elbrecht <elbr...@email.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Now it will whip a single egg white to a stiff peak in short order. I
>> had looked at the beaters with little spatulas on them- but no need.
>> The stock beater seems to get everything mixed up.
>
>Wow! I would have thought one egg white would be too little for such
>a big bowl. Thanks! Where do you store your machine?
Store? <g> It takes up some serious real estate on the
counter-- but it is easier on my back than dragging it out every day.
It is a rare day that it doesn't get used for something.
Jim
Jim Elbrecht
-snip-
>
>Among bread bakers, KAs of the last decade or so are notorious for
>stripping their gears and/or burning out. If you then decide to buy a
>mixer that can really handle bread dough, you'd then be stuck with a
>KA-only grinder and nothing with which to power it.
I think KA shot themselves in the foot by making a 350watt machine
that would be sold to the masses. And they were just plain
stupid when they replaced the metal gearbox in the 6quart 'Pro' models
with a plastic one.
They've corrected the gearbox in the 6qt-- I'd check to see if they've
gotten around to doing the same with the 5qt lift bowl before I spent
any money on one.
There is a *world* of difference between the power and longevity of a
575watt motor and a 350watt.
>
>Look, I have a nice, new KP26M1XPM-Professional-600-Series-6-Quart
>sitting on my kitchen table right now. I am sure it'll give me years
>of happy use, but I am not doing any serious bread baking with it.
Just for giggles, put the beater in and toss a dime into the bottom of
the bowl. I think they said to test this way in the manual- but
it might have been on the old KA site's forum. Are they adjusting
them right, now?
>It's cute and ideal for cakes and cookies, but THIS is for bread:
>
>http://kodiakhealth.com/catalog/extra/DLXwhatYouGet.jpg
>
That looks like a pretty serious piece of equipment. Now I know
what that curious looking plastic cylinder was in the background of
one of your Kaiser roll flicks.
Jim
Boron Elgar
I know it is just the card reader and as such, is easily remedied, but
next month we get the magic checks from AmEx and Costco for the annual
cash refund...just sayin' because the computer is 4 years old.
I used to be hot into replacing my computers all the time. I had to
have the latest and greatest. I still probably do it more than most,
but with a laptop, netbook and desktop, and a fondness for refurbs,
and contentment for just one new toy of the bunch being upgraded
every year or two, the habit is really not a problem to accommodate.
I mean, really, I didn't NEED a new mixer, either, but someone has to
get this economy going and make sure the Chinese factories are
humming.
Boron
Boron Elgar
>On Wed, 2 Feb 2011 08:56:35 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snetnospam.net> wrote:
>
>>?
>>"sf" <s...@geemail.com> wrote in message
>>news:6aphk6580ee7b8gh4...@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 23:35:55 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snetnospam.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ?
>>>> "Jim Elbrecht" <elbr...@email.com> wrote >
>>>> > When adjusted right it mixes from the bottom - so no matter how little
>>>> > is in three, it gets it.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Get a Beater Blade for about $20. Mixes better than the stock blade.
>>>
>>> Do both the stock paddle and the whisk come with the unit or is one of
>>> them an extra charge?
>>
>>Paddle, whisk and dough hook included
>
>I picked up the meat grinder attachment for my KA at a garage sale for $6
That would make it quite worthwhile.
Boron
Jim Elbrecht
Talk about thread drift-- But every time I see Canon and P&S I have
to mention CHDK-
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK_for_Dummies
Essentially it is open source free-ware that changes nothing on your
camera-- but allows it to do time lapse, motion detection, bracketing
by aperture, shutter speed, exposure, or even focus. . . .
Some really cool stuff- different for every camera-- but a wide range
of things I've never played with.
Jim
notbob
> Psst, Boron. My SDHC card slides into a slot in my MacBook Pro. No
> cable, no card reader. Slicker'n snot.
psst... Barb. Your MacBook Pro cost twice what an equivelent PC
would. A card reader costs $10-15. Slick snot comes from where you
paid big $$$ through. ;)
nb
Brooklyn1
I toss salad in an 8 qt bowl. An 8 qt capacity is kinda stingy for an
expensive dedicated dough kneader... most folks heavily into bread
baking at home would buy something at least in the 12 qt range,
probably larger. Unless handicapped most normal folks could easily
knead by hand what would fit into an 8 qt capacity unit. Those dough
kneaders work well but they have no other use and they are
expensive... makes no sense to buy one so small... they also don't do
well with very heavy doughs like pizza/bagel. Actually those
expensive dough kneaders don't do any better than the typical ABM,
they operate on the same principle. I often use my ABM to make up
dough but bake it in my stove oven... I'd rather run it twice than
spend all that money on such a dinky sized machine. That's why I
don't own a KA stand mixer, I can knead by hand what it can do, and
everything else I can accomplish just as well with my trusty KA hand
mixer. Many years ago I used to bake lots of bread but not anymore...
I had a 12 qt Hobart stand mixer I bought used, and even that was
lacking, could have used a 20 qt. Twenty quarts is not a lot, I make
soup in 20 qt pots.
Boron Elgar
<barbsc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>In article <jppik6pnmv18fttpr...@4ax.com>,
> Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have several Canon digitals now...P&S & DSLRs, and always remove the
>> card. Wait, I take that back...I have to use the cable for the new
>> 16mb SDHC card I got, because my computer card reader will not
>> recognize anything over 8. I just got the card a week or so ago and
>> found this out. No reason to go out and buy a new computer...hmmm...or
>> is it?
>>
>> Boron
>
>Psst, Boron. My SDHC card slides into a slot in my MacBook Pro. No
>cable, no card reader. Slicker'n snot.
You can't gloat yet...I have a slot on the netbook and laptop and on
the desktop. The card readers are built in, like the old floppy drives
were. BUT, the older desktop just doesn't recognize the higher
capacity cards. TH's desktop, which is only 2 years old does, though.
I do have a portable card reader, though. It looks like a flash drive.
I carry it around because the computer at the office are ancient and
have no card readers.
TH replaced the Mac he was using when Apple told him he'd have to get
a whole new system to accommodate a digital video editing program he
wanted. The new PC was less than half what it would have cost him to
replace the Mac.
We've always been a equal opportunity household. We're easy over
here...Windows, Mac Os versions, Linux, you name it, we play with it.
I should open a store.
Boron
Boron Elgar
wrote:
>Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
That is a very popular hack. Lot of good stuff there.
Boron
Brooklyn1
wrote:
>?
>"Jim Elbrecht" <elbr...@email.com> wrote >
>> When adjusted right it mixes from the bottom - so no matter how little
>> is in three, it gets it.
>>
>
>Get a Beater Blade for about $20. Mixes better than the stock blade.
No one needs a stand mixer to beat a couple three eggs... I beat a
dozen eggs most every omelet, I use a small wire whisk in a 1 1/2 qt
bowl, why bother to break out my hand mixer and then have to clean it.
Boron Elgar
<barbsc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>In article
><5049861e-a7cc-4181...@g1g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
> "Michael O'Connor" <mpoco...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> > I don't get it. �You'll never loose a Kitchenaide, and nobody has ever
>> > reported that their grinder attachment has broken.
>> >
>>
>> I bought a Kitchen Aid a couple months ago, and tried the meat grinder
>> a few times. It works well, I bought my own chuck roast and cut it
>> into small pieces and ground it, but you have to trim off a lot of
>> that stringy fat.
>
>It also helps if you *slightly* freeze those 1-1/2" cubes - maybe 20
>minutes on a cookie sheet in the freezer. That makes a big difference.
I do not make sausage and I only use ground meat rarely. I suppose
that is why I hesitate to bother with the grinder.
I do not see how I would save any money and I get my specialty ground
meats like lamb, from the best butcher around here. He charges me what
a lamb shoulder would run anyway, so I figure let him do the work.
I suppose if I used ground meat more often, it'd make some sense.
Grain mill...well,, that's a whole 'nother thing.
Boron
Pete C.
Yes, they do have the beaterblade for the 5qt bowl lift machines.
Pete C.
Boron Elgar wrote:
>
> Among bread bakers, KAs of the last decade or so are notorious for
> stripping their gears and/or burning out. If you then decide to buy a
> mixer that can really handle bread dough, you'd then be stuck with a
> KA-only grinder and nothing with which to power it.
Not true, all of the kitchenaid drive hub attachments will work just
fine on a Hobart N-50 mixer. If they are serious bread bakers, they need
to either buy the top end KA models and hope for the best, or else cough
up the dough for the Hobart and be done with it.
Pete C.
Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>
> ImStillMags <sitar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 31, 3:21 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
> >> I've pretty much decided I need a serious meat grinder.
> >> I do have a manual grinder, but it is an Italian Jolly
> >> brand made out of plastic. It's served me well for
> >> what it is, but I need a real machine, powered by
> >> electricity. I understand this is a subject for which
> >> many have strong opinions. I'd like to hear them.
> >
> > Do you have a Kitchen Aid Mixer? Unless you are planning on grinding
> > up a whole cow, the grinder attachment works very well for most
> > people.
>
> I agree, but with the caveat that you can't feed large pieces, strips, or
> crowd the tube, especially with fatty meat intended for sausage like pork
> butt. I cube up the meat in about 1 inch pieces and never pack the tube and
> it does a fabulous job.
>
> MartyB
I routinely feed my KA grinder attachment (on my Hobart) with 1" square
by 5-6" long strips of meat with no issues.
gloria.p
> In article<jppik6pnmv18fttpr...@4ax.com>,
> Boron Elgar<boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> card. Wait, I take that back...I have to use the cable for the new
>> 16mb SDHC card I got, because my computer card reader will not
>> recognize anything over 8. I just got the card a week or so ago and
>> found this out. No reason to go out and buy a new computer...hmmm...or
>> is it?
>>
>> Boron
>
> cable, no card reader. Slicker'n snot.
Ditto for my 18 month old Dell Studio laptop. I downloaded photos from
our Panama trip last night. I could have sworn I took more but most of
them are OK.
gp
Boron Elgar
wrote:
You took a boat through the canal?
Boron
Boron Elgar
<barbsc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>In article <rluik69v1ib1af7sk...@4ax.com>,
> Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I do not see how I would save any money and I get my specialty ground
>> meats like lamb, from the best butcher around here. He charges me what
>> a lamb shoulder would run anyway, so I figure let him do the work.
>>
>> I suppose if I used ground meat more often, it'd make some sense.
>>
>> Grain mill...well,, that's a whole 'nother thing.
>>
>> Boron
>
>Understood. I used to grind the pigmeat for my tourtiere until Cub
>built a fresh meat counter. Now I let them do it to my specs. Works a
>treat. And no ligaments or whatever to gunk up the operation.
The ligaments and other stringy bits seem to be a universal complaint
until the home grinder gets into the $300 or so range.
Do folks use these to create plain ground meat or more likely sausage
making?
Boron
Jim Elbrecht
>On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 11:21:25 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
><barbsc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
-snip-
>>Understood. I used to grind the pigmeat for my tourtiere until Cub
>>built a fresh meat counter. Now I let them do it to my specs. Works a
>>treat. And no ligaments or whatever to gunk up the operation.
>
>The ligaments and other stringy bits seem to be a universal complaint
>until the home grinder gets into the $300 or so range.
>
>Do folks use these to create plain ground meat or more likely sausage
>making?
I used the manual one I had for years and the KA attachment mostly for
grinding veggies for soup.
But last week I made a consomme & rather than running to the store for
lean ground beef- I ground up a couple pounds of CAB round that I'd
just bought. Worked a treat for me.
Sausage is in my future- but I have a couple thousand other things to
get done first.
Jim
notbob
> though Mac's OS is essentially a Linux app, I think. I have used
Pretty close. OS X is based on BSD unix, with proprietary coding,
which allows Apple to charge through that slick stuff fount. Linux is
free, in all senses of the word. They CAN charge for it, but are also
REQUIRED to provide it at NO cost.
> address for you I wouldn't have posted this; I'd've emailed it. :-)
not bob (all one word) at q (the letter) dot com (the domain)
nb
sf
> I bypass Canon's horrible
> dwnld issues by simply taking out the memory card and hooking it
> directly to my linux computer with a card reader.
What are you talking about? As far as card readers go, I'd rather die
than try a POS like that again. I bought one once and couldn't get
the GD thing to work if my life depended on it.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
sf
> On 2011-02-02, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snetnospam.net> wrote:
>
> > purchase. If you have a large collection of Brand X lenses, you probably
> > won't be quick to change to Brand Y
>
> True dat. My first SERIOUS camera was an Olympus, which took
> brilliant pictures. In fact, their lenses often got higher ratings
> than Nikon or Canon. Unfortunately, it wasn't a pro grade body and
> the metal shutter rusted after only a year, rendering the thing
> useless. I'm glad I hadn't invested in extra lenses at that point.
>
I had a Pentax SLR and don't remember being locked into Pentax... I
think I used Vivitar lenses, so what's all this whining about being
locked into Canon brand lenses? I heard somewhere that we can still
use our old lenses on new SLR digitals.
sf
<boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I have to use the cable
I use the cable by preference and it's always plugged in.
sf
<boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> the computer is 4 years old.
You have a mere baby in computer age. ;)
sf
> On 2011-02-02, Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Whisk, dough hook and stock paddle were in the box.
>
> I think Ed is referring to those aftermkt blades with the rubber
> wipers built in:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/48upg6f
>
Yes, I understood (thanks)... but it triggered that question, which
I've been meaning to ask for quite a while but didn't have the
opportunity until yesterday.
notbob
> What are you talking about? As far as card readers go, I'd rather die
> than try a POS like that again.
You have our full support! Provide an address and I'm sure many will
be glad to donate. ;)
nb
sf
<boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frankly, if I have ever worked with an odd dough, I just stop the
> mixer and use a rubber scraper to floop it all together. Can't say
> that on other mixers it has been so much of a problem that I'd shell
> out more for another beater.
That one seems more like one to use with thinish batters, because I
used to use a spatula that way.
sf
> I picked up the meat grinder attachment for my KA at a garage sale for $6
Lucky you! I never see bargains like that.
sf
<mpoco...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't get it. �You'll never loose a Kitchenaide, and nobody has ever
> > reported that their grinder attachment has broken.
> >
>
> I bought a Kitchen Aid a couple months ago, and tried the meat grinder
> a few times. It works well, I bought my own chuck roast and cut it
> into small pieces and ground it, but you have to trim off a lot of
> that stringy fat.
It's either you or the meat man... I had some chuck ground by the
butcher last week and didn't ask him trim it first. I drained it
well, but didn't rinse and it was still too fatty for me. Next time
I'll tell him to take some of the fat off first.
sf
<boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Among bread bakers, KAs of the last decade or so are notorious for
> stripping their gears and/or burning out. If you then decide to buy a
> mixer that can really handle bread dough, you'd then be stuck with a
> KA-only grinder and nothing with which to power it.
>
> Look, I have a nice, new KP26M1XPM-Professional-600-Series-6-Quart
> sitting on my kitchen table right now. I am sure it'll give me years
> of happy use, but I am not doing any serious bread baking with it.
> It's cute and ideal for cakes and cookies, but THIS is for bread:
>
> http://kodiakhealth.com/catalog/extra/DLXwhatYouGet.jpg
If you already have one of those, why did you just get a KA? It has a
smaller bowl for smaller jobs and doesn't seem as bulky as the KA is.
Boron Elgar
The lock is that the NEXT time you buy a camera, you have a pantload
of lenses that only fit the previous brand.
Boron Elgar
>On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 10:12:26 -0500, Boron Elgar
><boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> the computer is 4 years old.
>
>You have a mere baby in computer age. ;)
I have a basement full of its ancestors.
Boron Elgar
The DLX is quite large and has an 8 qt metal bowl. The smaller bowl
you see is bendable plastic and so far as I am concerned, only usable
with the whisk to make meringue. It is terrific for that.
AND the DLX does not take kindly to small amounts in the big bowl.
Boron
Brooklyn1
>
>I picked up the meat grinder attachment for my KA at a garage sale for $6
Ice in winter... first time you use it it'll ruin $6 worth of meat.
Hmm, never occured to you why it was being sold at a garage sale...
you paid $5.75 too much! Lol
I can't believe people buy those silly Toys R Us gizmos, I wouldn't
take one for free.
Brooklyn1
>sf wrote:
>>Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>>
>>> Now it will whip a single egg white to a stiff peak in short order.
>>
>>Wow! I would have thought one egg white would be too little for such
>>a big bowl. Thanks! Where do you store your machine?
>
>Store? <g> It takes up some serious real estate on the
>counter-- but it is easier on my back than dragging it out every day.
>It is a rare day that it doesn't get used for something.
No one needs any machine to beat an egg, not unless you have arms like
the mick has legs.
A $350.00 stand mixer sitting on your counter taking up the acreage of
a McMansion... 99.9% of the time doing stuff can't be done just as
well if not better with a $19.98 Sunbeam hand mixer that stores in the
corner of a kitchen drawer, most times all one needs is a whisk or
even a fork and a small cereal bowl. The ONLY reason anyone needs a
KA stand mixer and it's ilk displayed on their counter is for one
reason and for one reason only, in an attempt to impress guests to
think they can cook. Other than kneading a relatively small batch of
dough a KA stand mixer can't do anything better than a garage sale
hand mixer... and anyone not handicapped can knead that amount of
dough and knead it better by hand... no machine can knead dough better
than the human hand. And no one needs a stand mixer to bake a box
cake once a year, Jim. I bet you had one of those track spot lights
installed so it's shining on your KA. LOL-LOL
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .
Brooklyn1
wrote:
>
>Boron Elgar wrote:
>>
>> Among bread bakers, KAs of the last decade or so are notorious for
>> stripping their gears and/or burning out. If you then decide to buy a
>> mixer that can really handle bread dough, you'd then be stuck with a
>> KA-only grinder and nothing with which to power it.
>
>Not true, all of the kitchenaid drive hub attachments will work just
>fine on a Hobart N-50 mixer. If they are serious bread bakers, they need
>to either buy the top end KA models and hope for the best, or else cough
>up the dough for the Hobart and be done with it.
And not a 5 qt Hobart, that's too small to invest so much money... the
N-50 is still only 5 qts and any normal person can easily knead more
dough by hand. Were I into serious bread baking today I'd go for the
20 qt Hobart... used they don't cost nearly so much as new. Years ago
I bought a 12 qt Hobart at a liquidation sale, even that could have
been larger... with stiff doughs it can only knead about 1/3 bowl
capacity.
Jean B.
Nah. I disagree. I love my KA. My grandmother had one (her
husband was a mechanical engineer and did some business
withHobart), my mom had one, and now I have one. I have a
sentimental attachment to them. I just wish I still had my
grandmother's with the glass bowls (although those bowls were
heavy and obviously destructible). I gave it to my sister when I
moved to Japan, and she dropped the bowl. Come to think of it, I
have no idea what the fate of the mixer was.
The one I picked up at a sale has different glass bowls. They
have some texture (on the outside). The ones of my youth were smooth.
--
Jean B.
Mark Thorson
>
> I had a Pentax SLR and don't remember being locked into Pentax... I
> think I used Vivitar lenses, so what's all this whining about being
> locked into Canon brand lenses? I heard somewhere that we can still
> use our old lenses on new SLR digitals.
As I recall, lots of companies made Pentax-compatible
lenses and camera bodies. Not so with Nikon, Canon,
and Minolta. Pentax was sort of the Linux of film
cameras.