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notbob
Jan 20, 2012, 2:04:38 AM1/20/12
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Do you use them? For what?
Are you proficient with them?
How often? For non-Asian foods?
The history can be found on wiki, so I'll bypass that. I've been
using them, regularly, for about 6 yrs. I still don't consider myself
anywhere near having mastered them. More comfortable and use 'em more
and more, but still not my primary eating implement.
I notice my old geezer honky friend, who uses chopsticks exclusively,
has mastered them to a point where it's natural. He even does what I
call the scissors method --which is choreographed nowhere on the web.
Instead of the narrow isosceles trianble hold, most common with
novice/intermediate users, he crosses the sticks and pinches the food
item in a backward cross pinch. This is not unusual, having seen
scores of old geezers at pho houses using the exact same scissors-like
method. My buddy can't even articulate what he's doing, having done
it so long. But, I see the distinction.
BTW, nothing pisses me off like the lame-O retard TV producers who
consistently, to the point of boredom, always show ppl eating Chinese
take-out from the box with chopsticks, like every single living
individual in NYC is born with the inate ability to eat with
chopsticks. The only exception to this insane stereotype is
Christopher Noth on Law and Order, who once actually ate Chinese
take-out from the box with a plastic fork, like most real ppl! Mark
this day!! ;)
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Are you proficient with them?
How often? For non-Asian foods?
The history can be found on wiki, so I'll bypass that. I've been
using them, regularly, for about 6 yrs. I still don't consider myself
anywhere near having mastered them. More comfortable and use 'em more
and more, but still not my primary eating implement.
I notice my old geezer honky friend, who uses chopsticks exclusively,
has mastered them to a point where it's natural. He even does what I
call the scissors method --which is choreographed nowhere on the web.
Instead of the narrow isosceles trianble hold, most common with
novice/intermediate users, he crosses the sticks and pinches the food
item in a backward cross pinch. This is not unusual, having seen
scores of old geezers at pho houses using the exact same scissors-like
method. My buddy can't even articulate what he's doing, having done
it so long. But, I see the distinction.
BTW, nothing pisses me off like the lame-O retard TV producers who
consistently, to the point of boredom, always show ppl eating Chinese
take-out from the box with chopsticks, like every single living
individual in NYC is born with the inate ability to eat with
chopsticks. The only exception to this insane stereotype is
Christopher Noth on Law and Order, who once actually ate Chinese
take-out from the box with a plastic fork, like most real ppl! Mark
this day!! ;)
nb
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Bob Terwilliger
Jan 20, 2012, 2:16:40 AM1/20/12
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notbob asked:
> Do you use them?
Yes.
> For what?
Eating and cooking. I use chopsticks wherever I find them more
expedient, e.g., with all manner of long noodles or for dishes which
don't have too-large or too-small chunks of food. I use them in cooking
frequently, especially when stir-frying with a nonstick pan.
> Are you proficient with them?
I get by.
> How often? For non-Asian foods?
Doesn't matter to me whether the food is Asian or not. Maybe four times
a week for eating, and that same number for cooking.
Bob
> Do you use them?
Yes.
> For what?
Eating and cooking. I use chopsticks wherever I find them more
expedient, e.g., with all manner of long noodles or for dishes which
don't have too-large or too-small chunks of food. I use them in cooking
frequently, especially when stir-frying with a nonstick pan.
> Are you proficient with them?
> How often? For non-Asian foods?
a week for eating, and that same number for cooking.
Bob
sf
Jan 20, 2012, 2:32:37 AM1/20/12
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On 20 Jan 2012 07:04:38 GMT, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
> Do you use them?
I use them, yes - but not very often.
> For what?
I use them to eat with and I only use them when in that kind of
restaurant. I do have some at home for family members who want to use
them. When I'm eating at home, give me a fork and damn the ethnicity
of the meal.
> Are you proficient with them?
I'd say so, not an expert by any means - I can't twirl noodles with
them, but I haven't seen many who can.
> How often?
As little as humanly possible. Two sticks are not my idea of eating
utensils.
> For non-Asian foods?
H*ll no.
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> Do you use them?
I use them, yes - but not very often.
> For what?
I use them to eat with and I only use them when in that kind of
restaurant. I do have some at home for family members who want to use
them. When I'm eating at home, give me a fork and damn the ethnicity
of the meal.
> Are you proficient with them?
them, but I haven't seen many who can.
> How often?
As little as humanly possible. Two sticks are not my idea of eating
utensils.
> For non-Asian foods?
H*ll no.
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notbob
Jan 20, 2012, 2:42:39 AM1/20/12
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On 2012-01-20, Bob Terwilliger <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
> Doesn't matter to me whether the food is Asian or not. Maybe four times
> a week for eating, and that same number for cooking.
Likewise.
> Doesn't matter to me whether the food is Asian or not. Maybe four times
> a week for eating, and that same number for cooking.
Use 'em when I can. Sometimes a spatula is jes a better tool when
cooking. I often eat popcorn w/ sticks, specially the flavor coated
p-corns that can be so messy eating by hand. Good c-stick practice.
Julie Bove
Jan 20, 2012, 2:47:16 AM1/20/12
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of them one year for my daughter's birthday party. It was Sagwa the Chinese
Siamese kitten party. So of course we had Chinese food and we gave out
fancy chopsticks for all the guests to eat with and keep.
spamtrap1888
Jan 20, 2012, 3:06:43 AM1/20/12
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On Jan 19, 11:04 pm, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
> Do you use them? For what?
> Are you proficient with them?
> How often? For non-Asian foods?
>
At home, I use bamboo chopsticks to eat things I cook in the wok; out,
> Do you use them? For what?
> Are you proficient with them?
> How often? For non-Asian foods?
>
mostly for Japanese food. Chinese restaurants give you plastic
chopsticks to use, which gives me no grip on something round, smooth,
and greasy like stirfried gai lan. Other than that, I am proficient.
One useful chopstick feature: when you're heating oil in the wok,
stick a (bamboo) chopstick point down into the oil. When you see
bubbles coming up from the point, the oil is hot enough for frying.
NB: Not even Asians should use chopsticks to eat lunchtime "rice
plates." The sauce coats and lubricates the rice, forcing one to pick
it up grain by grain, should you be foolish enough to try to use
chopsticks.
Steve Pope
Jan 20, 2012, 3:21:27 AM1/20/12
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On Jan 19, 11:04 pm, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
> Do you use them? For what?
> Are you proficient with them?
> How often? For non-Asian foods?
I could use chopsticks to eat anything. However, Chinese people tell
> Do you use them? For what?
> Are you proficient with them?
> How often? For non-Asian foods?
me if they have a fork, they would (other things being equal) use
a fork, rather than chopsticks. Kind of a crime of opportunity.
There is one advantage, with (Japanese) chopsticks in a sushi place,
you can grasp the fish, dip it into soy sauce, without having to
"prick" it with a fork. They are like tongs in that respect.
Somebody pay me, and I'll eat a chicken-fried steak w/ sides using
chopsticks.
S.
A Moose in Love
Jan 20, 2012, 4:07:36 AM1/20/12
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use the chop sticks to shovel it into your mouth.
Julie Bove
Jan 20, 2012, 2:47:16 AM1/20/12
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Ed Pawlowski
Jan 20, 2012, 5:56:24 AM1/20/12
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Yes
> For what?
Stirring small cans of paint or stain, filling screw holes, mixing
epoxy.
>Are you proficient with them?
Sure, especially with epoxy.
> For what?
Stirring small cans of paint or stain, filling screw holes, mixing
epoxy.
>Are you proficient with them?
Jim Elbrecht
Jan 20, 2012, 7:30:12 AM1/20/12
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spo...@speedymail.org (Steve Pope) wrote:
>On Jan 19, 11:04 pm, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>> Do you use them? For what?
>> Are you proficient with them?
>> How often? For non-Asian foods?
>
>I could use chopsticks to eat anything. However, Chinese people tell
>me if they have a fork, they would (other things being equal) use
>a fork, rather than chopsticks. Kind of a crime of opportunity.
>
>There is one advantage, with (Japanese) chopsticks in a sushi place,
>you can grasp the fish, dip it into soy sauce, without having to
>"prick" it with a fork. They are like tongs in that respect.
So are my fingers. Or I could use a knife and spoon like we did here
>On Jan 19, 11:04 pm, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>> Do you use them? For what?
>> Are you proficient with them?
>> How often? For non-Asian foods?
>
>I could use chopsticks to eat anything. However, Chinese people tell
>me if they have a fork, they would (other things being equal) use
>a fork, rather than chopsticks. Kind of a crime of opportunity.
>
>There is one advantage, with (Japanese) chopsticks in a sushi place,
>you can grasp the fish, dip it into soy sauce, without having to
>"prick" it with a fork. They are like tongs in that respect.
in the colonies until the 18th century or so.
>
>Somebody pay me, and I'll eat a chicken-fried steak w/ sides using
>chopsticks.
I'd rather use a utensil I'm familiar with and concentrate on the
flavors-- or company.
Jim
George
Jan 20, 2012, 8:09:30 AM1/20/12
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George
Jan 20, 2012, 8:11:47 AM1/20/12
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On 1/20/2012 3:21 AM, Steve Pope wrote:
> On Jan 19, 11:04 pm, notbob<not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>> Do you use them? For what?
>> Are you proficient with them?
>> How often? For non-Asian foods?
>
> I could use chopsticks to eat anything. However, Chinese people tell
> me if they have a fork, they would (other things being equal) use
> a fork, rather than chopsticks. Kind of a crime of opportunity.
>
> There is one advantage, with (Japanese) chopsticks in a sushi place,
> you can grasp the fish, dip it into soy sauce, without having to
> "prick" it with a fork. They are like tongs in that respect.
That seems to be another as seen on TV thing. It is considered polite to
> On Jan 19, 11:04 pm, notbob<not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>> Do you use them? For what?
>> Are you proficient with them?
>> How often? For non-Asian foods?
>
> I could use chopsticks to eat anything. However, Chinese people tell
> me if they have a fork, they would (other things being equal) use
> a fork, rather than chopsticks. Kind of a crime of opportunity.
>
> There is one advantage, with (Japanese) chopsticks in a sushi place,
> you can grasp the fish, dip it into soy sauce, without having to
> "prick" it with a fork. They are like tongs in that respect.
pick up sushi with your fingers.
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James Silverton
Jan 20, 2012, 10:03:15 AM1/20/12
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On 1/20/2012 2:32 AM, sf wrote:
> On 20 Jan 2012 07:04:38 GMT, notbob<not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>
>> Do you use them?
>
> I use them, yes - but not very often.
>
>> For what?
>
> I use them to eat with and I only use them when in that kind of
> restaurant. I do have some at home for family members who want to use
> them. When I'm eating at home, give me a fork and damn the ethnicity
> of the meal.
>
>> Are you proficient with them?
>
> I'd say so, not an expert by any means - I can't twirl noodles with
> them, but I haven't seen many who can.
>
>> How often?
>
> As little as humanly possible. Two sticks are not my idea of eating
> utensils.
>
>> For non-Asian foods?
>
> H*ll no.
>
I use them for Chinese and Japanese food but I've never learned how to
> On 20 Jan 2012 07:04:38 GMT, notbob<not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>
>> Do you use them?
>
> I use them, yes - but not very often.
>
>> For what?
>
> I use them to eat with and I only use them when in that kind of
> restaurant. I do have some at home for family members who want to use
> them. When I'm eating at home, give me a fork and damn the ethnicity
> of the meal.
>
>> Are you proficient with them?
>
> I'd say so, not an expert by any means - I can't twirl noodles with
> them, but I haven't seen many who can.
>
>> How often?
>
> As little as humanly possible. Two sticks are not my idea of eating
> utensils.
>
>> For non-Asian foods?
>
> H*ll no.
>
cut with them, unlike the mothers of some friends of my daughter. I've
also used them for Spaghetti (as I suspect Marco Polo did!) Unlike some
people in Thai restaurants, I normally use a spoon and fork as do the Thais.
--
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Kalmia
Jan 20, 2012, 10:41:07 AM1/20/12
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On Jan 20, 2:04 am, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
> Do you use them? For what?
> Are you proficient with them?
> How often? For non-Asian foods?
> /
> Do you use them? For what?
> Are you proficient with them?
> How often? For non-Asian foods?
Can't handle them for eating. Too old to
learn. Not a thing I need on my resume.
I DO take em home tho if they're plopped down with my food, as I
figure they won't re-serve them. I find em useful for poking coffee
grounds, lifting a waffle from the iron, shoring up plants.....
If you attach a wet paper towel to the end, it can make a dandy
cleaning device for small, hard to reach places.
Brooklyn1
Jan 20, 2012, 11:36:40 AM1/20/12
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Brooklyn1
Jan 20, 2012, 11:51:00 AM1/20/12
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>Do you use them? For what?
For what do you have in mind?
>Are you proficient with them?
and bring it to my mouth.
>How often? For non-Asian foods?
me eating with chopsticks is tantamount to starting a fire by rubbing
two sticks together. The only plus I can think of about eating with
chopsticks is they are less gross than how a-rabs eat with the same
unwashed fingers they use to squeegee their butt hole.
John Kuthe
Jan 20, 2012, 12:26:38 PM1/20/12
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On Jan 20, 10:51 am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
...
controlled pair of chopsticks with a wireless Internet connection
running at T3 speeds, GPS mil-spec chopstick tip locators, and fuel
injection! Fuel injection! Fuel injection!
John Kuthe...
...
> Rarely, for any food. I don't enjoy any food using chop sticks. To
> me eating with chopsticks is tantamount to starting a fire by rubbing
> two sticks together. The only plus I can think of about eating with
> chopsticks is they are less gross than how a-rabs eat with the same
> unwashed fingers they use to squeegee their butt hole.
Got you beat here too Sheldon! I've got a nuclear powered computer-
> me eating with chopsticks is tantamount to starting a fire by rubbing
> two sticks together. The only plus I can think of about eating with
> chopsticks is they are less gross than how a-rabs eat with the same
> unwashed fingers they use to squeegee their butt hole.
controlled pair of chopsticks with a wireless Internet connection
running at T3 speeds, GPS mil-spec chopstick tip locators, and fuel
injection! Fuel injection! Fuel injection!
John Kuthe...
A Moose in Love
Jan 20, 2012, 12:35:26 PM1/20/12
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spamtrap1888
Jan 20, 2012, 12:33:02 PM1/20/12
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On Jan 20, 8:51 am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> The only plus I can think of about eating with
> chopsticks is they are less gross than how a-rabs eat with the same
> unwashed fingers they use to squeegee their butt hole.
Once again, the Brokelyn compass needle points reliably south. Muslims
> The only plus I can think of about eating with
> chopsticks is they are less gross than how a-rabs eat with the same
> unwashed fingers they use to squeegee their butt hole.
(and Christian Arabs as far as I know) eat only with their right hand,
reserving their left hands for all butt cleaning service. (Lefties
must learn to eat only with their rights.) In public, the left hand is
a helper hand only -- give and receive things (e.g. money and change)
only with your right hand, but you can carry bags, etc. with your left
hand.
Muslims prize personal hygiene highly -- the toilet in a public place
will be two ceramic footprints and a hole, so your ass touches nothing
that anyone else's did. A long-handled pail will be provided for you
to dip into water and sluice your buttcrack with.
Cindy Fuller
Jan 20, 2012, 1:05:52 PM1/20/12
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In article <slrnjhi4ga...@nbleet.hcc.net>,
chopsticks in our home is to give treats of meat baby food to the cats
during training sessions or after grooming/claw clipping. The SO
started this when we acquired our first Russian Blue kitten, who was a
very quick study. Our current pair of cats are more easily distracted.
They have had more success training US than vice versa.
A true chopstick story: Years ago I went to lunch in DC's Chinatown with
a colleague (of Korean ancestry, who grew up in Atlanta) and his grad
student (from China) when we attended the Experimental Biology meeting.
When our meals came, two out of three of us dug in with chopsticks. My
colleague picked up a fork. His explanation: "I learned early on that
I could get more food in with a fork than with chopsticks." This same
colleague used to go to all-you-can-eat buffets with the grad students,
events that became known as Eatathons. (To his credit, he was obsessive
compulsive about working out BECAUSE he liked to eat.)
Cindy
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notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
> Do you use them? For what?
> Are you proficient with them?
> How often? For non-Asian foods?
>
We use them mostly for Asian food. However, the most important use of
> Do you use them? For what?
> Are you proficient with them?
> How often? For non-Asian foods?
>
chopsticks in our home is to give treats of meat baby food to the cats
during training sessions or after grooming/claw clipping. The SO
started this when we acquired our first Russian Blue kitten, who was a
very quick study. Our current pair of cats are more easily distracted.
They have had more success training US than vice versa.
A true chopstick story: Years ago I went to lunch in DC's Chinatown with
a colleague (of Korean ancestry, who grew up in Atlanta) and his grad
student (from China) when we attended the Experimental Biology meeting.
When our meals came, two out of three of us dug in with chopsticks. My
colleague picked up a fork. His explanation: "I learned early on that
I could get more food in with a fork than with chopsticks." This same
colleague used to go to all-you-can-eat buffets with the grad students,
events that became known as Eatathons. (To his credit, he was obsessive
compulsive about working out BECAUSE he liked to eat.)
Cindy
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George L
Jan 20, 2012, 1:11:17 PM1/20/12
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On Friday, January 20, 2012 1:04:38 AM UTC-6, notbob wrote:
> Do you use them? For what?
> Are you proficient with them?
> How often? For non-Asian foods?
Yep, I can use them well enough that I won't starve.
> Do you use them? For what?
> Are you proficient with them?
> How often? For non-Asian foods?
The first time I tried was when Becca took me to a Vietnamese shop for Pho. I needed a bib... but with a little practice I got the hang of it fairly quickly. We use them at home when we make Asian dishes or when we are out to east in Asian restaruants, but i don't use them for "regualr" food.
George L
Brooklyn1
Jan 20, 2012, 2:03:41 PM1/20/12
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:44:04 -0800 (PST), aem <aem_...@yahoo.com>
>have a pair for cooking that are about a foot long, if not a bit
>longer, that are useful for cooking. I think of all of them as "long
>fingers".
The gals must love you!
Have you considered a career as a GYN? hehe
>> Do you use them? For what?
>
>Yes, for eating and for cooking.
>
>
>> Are you proficient with them?
>
>Yes, after a lifetime of practice.
>> Are you proficient with them?
>
>
>> How often? For non-Asian foods?
>
>Whenever it's convenient. In addition to the normal eating-size I
>> How often? For non-Asian foods?
>
>have a pair for cooking that are about a foot long, if not a bit
>longer, that are useful for cooking. I think of all of them as "long
>fingers".
The gals must love you!
Have you considered a career as a GYN? hehe
James Silverton
Jan 20, 2012, 2:13:07 PM1/20/12
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interest. The major observation is that the upper stick is manipulated
just like a pencil and the lower is held unmoving.
Michael Kuettner
Jan 20, 2012, 2:12:22 PM1/20/12
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"notbob" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:slrnjhi4ga...@nbleet.hcc.net...
> Do you use them?
Yes.
> Do you use them?
> For what?
For food prepared for chopsticks.
> Are you proficient with them?
> How often?
Depends on how often I eat food prepared for chopsticks.
> For non-Asian foods?
It makes little sense to eat Schweinsbraten mit Knoedel with chopsticks.
Cheers,
Michael Kuettner
Jerry Avins
Jan 20, 2012, 4:53:58 PM1/20/12
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> Are you proficient with them?
> How often? For non-Asian foods?
>
>
> The history can be found on wiki, so I'll bypass that. I've been
> using them, regularly, for about 6 yrs. I still don't consider myself
> anywhere near having mastered them. More comfortable and use 'em more
> and more, but still not my primary eating implement.
>
> I notice my old geezer honky friend, who uses chopsticks exclusively,
> has mastered them to a point where it's natural. He even does what I
> call the scissors method --which is choreographed nowhere on the web.
> Instead of the narrow isosceles trianble hold, most common with
> novice/intermediate users, he crosses the sticks and pinches the food
> item in a backward cross pinch. This is not unusual, having seen
> scores of old geezers at pho houses using the exact same scissors-like
> method. My buddy can't even articulate what he's doing, having done
> it so long. But, I see the distinction.
>
> BTW, nothing pisses me off like the lame-O retard TV producers who
> consistently, to the point of boredom, always show ppl eating Chinese
> take-out from the box with chopsticks, like every single living
> individual in NYC is born with the inate ability to eat with
> chopsticks. The only exception to this insane stereotype is
> Christopher Noth on Law and Order, who once actually ate Chinese
> take-out from the box with a plastic fork, like most real ppl! Mark
> this day!! ;)
>
> nb
>
> using them, regularly, for about 6 yrs. I still don't consider myself
> anywhere near having mastered them. More comfortable and use 'em more
> and more, but still not my primary eating implement.
>
> I notice my old geezer honky friend, who uses chopsticks exclusively,
> has mastered them to a point where it's natural. He even does what I
> call the scissors method --which is choreographed nowhere on the web.
> Instead of the narrow isosceles trianble hold, most common with
> novice/intermediate users, he crosses the sticks and pinches the food
> item in a backward cross pinch. This is not unusual, having seen
> scores of old geezers at pho houses using the exact same scissors-like
> method. My buddy can't even articulate what he's doing, having done
> it so long. But, I see the distinction.
>
> BTW, nothing pisses me off like the lame-O retard TV producers who
> consistently, to the point of boredom, always show ppl eating Chinese
> take-out from the box with chopsticks, like every single living
> individual in NYC is born with the inate ability to eat with
> chopsticks. The only exception to this insane stereotype is
> Christopher Noth on Law and Order, who once actually ate Chinese
> take-out from the box with a plastic fork, like most real ppl! Mark
> this day!! ;)
>
> nb
>
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At home, I use chopsticks mostly for cooking. Picking out a piece of
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pasta to check for done, for example, or manipulating pieces 1n Teflon
pan. (My steel turners are smooth enough for Teflon, but my tongs
would scratch.) I guess I'm fairly proficient. Being mostly left
handed, I was eating with my right hand while I did a crossword with
my left. After a while, I realized that I was eating with chopsticks
-- crosswords can be distracting. I have eaten stiff Jello with
chopsticks just to show off, but that's nothing next to a Korean chap
who broke an egg into desert cup and picked the yolk out whole to --
as he put it -- "make show". I sometimes make my own version of ramen
that I eat with a large soup spoon abd chopsticks. If I had to use a
fork, I would probably use something else or break the noodles small
before putting them in.
Jerry
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Brooklyn1
Jan 20, 2012, 5:29:30 PM1/20/12
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but still I don't enjoy eating any foods with chopsticks. I prefer a
fork or a spoon. However one of my eating oddities is that I don't
like to eat with a tablespoon, I prefer a teaspoon, even for foods
that most people eat with a tablespoon, like soup. I also don't like
eating with a dinner fork, I much prefer the smaller salad fork for
foods that need cutting, like steak. And for anything I can eat with
a spoon that's what I do, I eat stews with a teaspoon. I eat Chinese
food with a teaspoon, I eat Chinese food often, I eat the entire meal
with a teaspoon except those items I eat with my fingers; ribs,
eggrolls. On occasion I've been out with people who eat with
chopsticks so not to be the odd one out I go along with the program,
and I can handle chopsticks as well as anyone, but I don't enjoy my
meal. I think one reason is because chopsticks do not permit me to
carry enough sauce along with the food the way a spoon does and if I
try to bring saucy bits to my mouth with enough sauce to my liking
it's just too sloppy. I also don't like watching orientals eating
with chopsticks, no matter how deft when they eat saucy foods they
have to scoop and shovel and still juices run down their chins like a
bunch of toothless old nursing home crones... and to add insult to
injury orientals don't use a napkin, they use those chopsticks to
squeegee the dribbles from their chins back into their mouths...
actually watching makes me want to heave... orientals also talk with
their mouths full, in fact while they shovel food in as fast as they
can they're all the while babbling and drooling like sanitarium
lunatics, they never STFU. Maybe that's how the singsong oriental
languages evolved, from talking with a mouth crammed full of food and
keeping the beat with the shoveling, chewing, and swallowing. Italians
talk while they eat too but it's all silent gesticulations, a lot of
racy language all in mime. Krauts just belch and fart a lot, ach! LOL
James Silverton
Jan 20, 2012, 5:43:11 PM1/20/12
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with hashi (chopsticks). I only try that in Chinese buffets and I'm
sometimes reduced to stabbing them. Japanese and Chinese do eat soup
without a spoon by raising the cup to their lips. If there are solid
things, like noodles and meat in Pho soup, I use hashi. (OK, let me be
honest, I don't usually raise a large Pho bowl to my lips and I use the
porcelain soup spoons that are provided.)
Generally Chinese cooks use much oversized chopsticks as cooking
implements. It is also easier to cut food with the large ones.
Gary
Jan 20, 2012, 7:07:46 PM1/20/12
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> It makes little sense to eat Schweinsbraten mit Knoedel with chopsticks.
ok...maybe a hotdog or something similar. You could stab it with one stick
and munch on it like a popcycle.
Not long after The Beginning, some Chinese fellow said, "Hey...let's quit
eating with our fingers like a bunch of heathens and use these cool sticks
instead."
Thus began table manners.
Later on, someone figured out that eating with a pair of sticks was kind of
stupid, and he invented the fork. Worked so much better except for soup,
etc. No problem said the next inventor who came up with the complimentary
spoon.
I do have a couple of pairs of chopsticks here. Looking at them right now,
I might send them down to the Amazon, to be given out to the natives with
Moe haircuts. They can use them for blowgun darts to kill monkeys way up in
the canopy. I think they eat monkey meat with their fingers once cooked
though. That closes the circle of life I suppose.
Gary ;)
Serene Vannoy
Jan 20, 2012, 9:50:13 PM1/20/12
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On 01/19/2012 11:04 PM, notbob wrote:
> Do you use them? For what?
> Are you proficient with them?
> How often? For non-Asian foods?
I use them well, and usually only in two circumstances: If we're eating
> Do you use them? For what?
> Are you proficient with them?
> How often? For non-Asian foods?
Chinese/Japanese food (not Thai), or if we're out of clean forks.
My first boyfriend was from Vietnam, and he taught me how to use them.
He said they used to play a game when he was little to see who could
pick up the smallest grain of rice.
Serene
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Mark Thorson
Jan 20, 2012, 11:03:53 PM1/20/12
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notbob wrote:
>
> Do you use them? For what?
I used to use them all the time,
>
> Do you use them? For what?
but not since I went to low-carb.
> Are you proficient with them?
> How often? For non-Asian foods?
a pho restaurant.
> I notice my old geezer honky friend, who uses chopsticks exclusively,
> has mastered them to a point where it's natural. He even does what I
> call the scissors method --which is choreographed nowhere on the web.
> Instead of the narrow isosceles trianble hold, most common with
and I don't get how you're supposed to eat
rice that way.
Doug Freyburger
Jan 21, 2012, 6:42:02 AM1/21/12
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notbob wrote:
>
> Do you use them? For what?
>
> Do you use them? For what?
> Are you proficient with them?
> How often?
After learning how and a bit of practice I ended up thinking they are
easier to use than a fork for a range of food shapes.
> For non-Asian foods?
Anything with noodles. When I go to Noodles & Company I will get
Stronganoff of Wisconsin cheese on rice noodles. I'll use chop sticks
to eat the noodles. Same at home.
Jim Elbrecht
Jan 21, 2012, 8:01:37 AM1/21/12
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Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
-snip-
centuries. Forks were for grabbing stuff out of a fire-- fingers
and knives gave way to knives and spoons-- and a few hundred years
alter the fork made it to the table.
Jim
-snip-
>
>Later on, someone figured out that eating with a pair of sticks was kind of
>stupid, and he invented the fork. Worked so much better except for soup,
>etc. No problem said the next inventor who came up with the complimentary
>spoon.
>
Just to pick a nit here-- the spoon predated the [eating] fork by
>Later on, someone figured out that eating with a pair of sticks was kind of
>stupid, and he invented the fork. Worked so much better except for soup,
>etc. No problem said the next inventor who came up with the complimentary
>spoon.
>
centuries. Forks were for grabbing stuff out of a fire-- fingers
and knives gave way to knives and spoons-- and a few hundred years
alter the fork made it to the table.
Jim
Gary
Jan 21, 2012, 8:24:45 AM1/21/12
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Serene Vannoy wrote:
>
> I use them well, and usually only in two circumstances: If we're eating
> Chinese/Japanese food (not Thai), or if we're out of clean forks.
"if we're out of clean forks?"
>
> I use them well, and usually only in two circumstances: If we're eating
> Chinese/Japanese food (not Thai), or if we're out of clean forks.
Geez....how long does it take to wash a couple of forks? ;-D
> My first boyfriend was from Vietnam, and he taught me how to use them.
> He said they used to play a game when he was little to see who could
> pick up the smallest grain of rice.
Here at the beach a few years ago, one tourist shop offered:
"Your name printed on a grain of rice - $5.00"
LOL! Very weird yet different and unique.
They used a laser something and they actually printed your name on a single
grain of rice. You could only see it by using maybe a magnifying glass, or
more likely a microscope?
Anyway, that was strange enough that I was tempted to buy a few for future
gifts to family or friends.
Gary
notbob
Jan 21, 2012, 8:44:09 AM1/21/12
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On 2012-01-21, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>
> They used a laser something and they actually printed your name on a single
> grain of rice.
That's pretty mudane. I've seen busts of famous ppl carved from a
>
> They used a laser something and they actually printed your name on a single
> grain of rice.
grape seed, also old hat. Google for micro sculptures and find a lot
of these:
http://tinyurl.com/85dhytb
See! Another miracle of miniaturization at the mere push of a button.
The above link was originally almost 12 lines long!! ;)
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Jan 21, 2012, 8:49:14 AM1/21/12
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vanillabeans18 wrote:
>
> sometimes it just feels awkward to use chopsticks.
You think?
Sorry folks but I've always had a pet peeve about using chopsticks.
WTH? They were probably new-tech utensils 3 thousand years ago but we do
progress and move on. I have no urge to ride a horse to work now or to
visit family/friends just because that's they way they used to do it.
I also have no urge to eat my meals with a couple of sticks.
Gary ;)
>
> sometimes it just feels awkward to use chopsticks.
You think?
Sorry folks but I've always had a pet peeve about using chopsticks.
WTH? They were probably new-tech utensils 3 thousand years ago but we do
progress and move on. I have no urge to ride a horse to work now or to
visit family/friends just because that's they way they used to do it.
I also have no urge to eat my meals with a couple of sticks.
Gary ;)
Gary
Jan 21, 2012, 8:51:22 AM1/21/12
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Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> notbob wrote:
> >
> > Do you use them? For what?
>
> I used to use them all the time,
> but not since I went to low-carb.
Well there ya go! Chopsticks are evil high carbs too! ;)
>
> notbob wrote:
> >
> > Do you use them? For what?
>
> I used to use them all the time,
> but not since I went to low-carb.
Gary
notbob
Jan 21, 2012, 9:00:12 AM1/21/12
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> I also have no urge to eat my meals with a couple of sticks.
There are times when they are right tool for the job, like fishing pickle chips
or olives outta half empty jar. I use 'em for eating cheese covered popcorn
and salt/ppr potato chips. Keeps the hands clean.
J. Clarke
Jan 21, 2012, 9:41:56 AM1/21/12
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In article <4F1AC25A...@att.net>, g.ma...@att.net says...
They are alternate-tech. Forks did not replace chopsticks, chopsticks
were never used in Europe. And Asians, despite being eminently capable
of making forks, don't seem to have any interest in doing so for any
purpose other than to sell them to the round-eyed Western devils.
But you reflect a cultural bias so well established that it has become a
cliche. From a 1955 movie: "To the Western world at that time, Japan
was a fairybook nation: little people living in a strange land of rice-
paper houses... people who had almost no furniture, who sat on the floor
and ate with chopsticks. The quaint houses of rice paper, sir: they were
made of paper because there was no other material available. And the
winters in Japan are as cold as they are in Boston. And the chopsticks:
there was no metal for forks and knives and spoons, but slivers of wood
could suffice." Funny, the Japanese, with the second largest economy on
Earth, still like those rice paper houses (the ones who can afford a
house anyway--land is scarce in Japan) and still use slivers of wood to
eat the rice they prepared in their computer-controlled fuzzy-logic
induction heated rice cookers, and still prefer to sit on the floor
while they watch their high definition televisions reporting on the
accident at one of their many their nuclear power plants.
were never used in Europe. And Asians, despite being eminently capable
of making forks, don't seem to have any interest in doing so for any
purpose other than to sell them to the round-eyed Western devils.
But you reflect a cultural bias so well established that it has become a
cliche. From a 1955 movie: "To the Western world at that time, Japan
was a fairybook nation: little people living in a strange land of rice-
paper houses... people who had almost no furniture, who sat on the floor
and ate with chopsticks. The quaint houses of rice paper, sir: they were
made of paper because there was no other material available. And the
winters in Japan are as cold as they are in Boston. And the chopsticks:
there was no metal for forks and knives and spoons, but slivers of wood
could suffice." Funny, the Japanese, with the second largest economy on
Earth, still like those rice paper houses (the ones who can afford a
house anyway--land is scarce in Japan) and still use slivers of wood to
eat the rice they prepared in their computer-controlled fuzzy-logic
induction heated rice cookers, and still prefer to sit on the floor
while they watch their high definition televisions reporting on the
accident at one of their many their nuclear power plants.
notbob
Jan 21, 2012, 10:38:29 AM1/21/12
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On 2012-01-21, J. Clarke <jclark...@cox.net> wrote:
> house anyway--land is scarce in Japan) and still use slivers of wood to
> eat the rice they prepared in their computer-controlled fuzzy-logic
> induction heated rice cookers.....
> house anyway--land is scarce in Japan) and still use slivers of wood to
> eat the rice they prepared in their computer-controlled fuzzy-logic
Unfortunately, the popularity of chopsticks seems to waning in present
day Japan, where it's been reported that children's training
chopsticks are at a shocking all time low in sales. I don't know
about China, where chopsticks are still the primary eating implement.
Perhaps they are fading, there, too. Seems the only place chopsticks
are still religiously utilized is on NYC produced TV programs where
apparently every round-eye in town is gifted from birth with the
ability to retrieve Chinese from a take-out box using sticks and
obviously everyone has a good pair in their pocket or desk drawer, as
you never ever see anyone using those crappy disposable "slivers"
(literally!) that are routinely included with every order. ;)
Brooklyn1
Jan 21, 2012, 11:24:15 AM1/21/12
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vanillabeans.foodbanana wrote:
>
>Do you use them? For what?
>-Yes. Most foods... 90% asian dishes
>
>Do you use them? For what?
>
>Are you proficient with them?
>yes. after a long long time. i used to hold them "wrong" but i fixed it
>Are you proficient with them?
>after a while so i wouldnt hold it like that when i become older
>
>How often? For non-Asian foods?
>pretty much all the time. even for non-asian foods.
>How often? For non-Asian foods?
>
>really depends. i can use chopsticks to eat spaghetti... but probably
>not stuff like paella, tacos, fries, etc.
Huh? Paella was made for chopsticks... there is no more perfect dish
on the planet for eating with chopsticks. Fries are very easy to eat
with chopstics too. And tacos are finger food, every beaner Mexican
knows that.
>sometimes it just feels awkward to use chopsticks. like eating a cake
>with chopsticks
Why would you eat an entire cake with chopsticks... cut into serving
size cake is as easy to eat with chopsticks as dim sum. I think
you're full of doodoo... you've never used chopsticks, no way, no how.
The concept of chopsticks was very likely born of watching birds eat,
especially when feeding their young... chopsticks operate exactly like
bird beaks. I've watched bluejays eat my left over rice and beans,
only difference from watching a common coolie eat is their round eyes.
Pico Rico
Jan 21, 2012, 11:30:02 AM1/21/12
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"notbob" <not...@nothome.com> wrote in message
news:slrnjhlmvt...@nbleet.hcc.net...
> On 2012-01-21, J. Clarke <jclark...@cox.net> wrote:
>> house anyway--land is scarce in Japan) and still use slivers of wood to
>> eat the rice they prepared in their computer-controlled fuzzy-logic
>> induction heated rice cookers.....
>
> Unfortunately, the popularity of chopsticks seems to waning in present
> day Japan, where it's been reported that children's training
> chopsticks are at a shocking all time low in sales.
When I was in Japan 5 years ago, they complemented me on how well I used
>> house anyway--land is scarce in Japan) and still use slivers of wood to
>> eat the rice they prepared in their computer-controlled fuzzy-logic
>> induction heated rice cookers.....
>
> Unfortunately, the popularity of chopsticks seems to waning in present
> day Japan, where it's been reported that children's training
> chopsticks are at a shocking all time low in sales.
chopsticks. They even bantered back in forth to themselves in Japanese about
it. Then back at the hotel I read a newspaper article bemoaning the fact
that Japan's kids were so poor in chopstick ability.
China is probably different, likely just behind this curve a bit.
Gary
Jan 21, 2012, 11:35:13 AM1/21/12
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That's interesting to know, Jim. Makes sense though...eating with 2 sticks
works (if you are so inclined) but neither sticks or forks work for liquid
meals. I can see now how the spoon was the next invention.
Gary
Jerry Avins
Jan 21, 2012, 12:32:01 PM1/21/12
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a wok (more like a woklet) that I have. They are only rarely more
useful than a normal size.
I've been told quite seriously by ethnic Chinese that chopsticks are
superior because foods with delicate tastes are "invaded" by contact
with metal. When I ask what effect the iron wok and wok shovel have on
the flavors, I get a blank stare. I don't mean to sneer. I prefer to
drink water from an aluminum dipper. It changes the taste.
dsi1
Jan 21, 2012, 3:08:34 PM1/21/12
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On 1/21/2012 3:24 AM, Gary wrote:
> Serene Vannoy wrote:
>>
>> I use them well, and usually only in two circumstances: If we're eating
>> Chinese/Japanese food (not Thai), or if we're out of clean forks.
>
> "if we're out of clean forks?"
> Geez....how long does it take to wash a couple of forks? ;-D
>
>
>> My first boyfriend was from Vietnam, and he taught me how to use them.
>> He said they used to play a game when he was little to see who could
>> pick up the smallest grain of rice.
>
> Sounds like he was easily amused. ;)
You're kidding but being easily amused should be a virtue these days. To
> Serene Vannoy wrote:
>>
>> I use them well, and usually only in two circumstances: If we're eating
>> Chinese/Japanese food (not Thai), or if we're out of clean forks.
>
> "if we're out of clean forks?"
> Geez....how long does it take to wash a couple of forks? ;-D
>
>
>> My first boyfriend was from Vietnam, and he taught me how to use them.
>> He said they used to play a game when he was little to see who could
>> pick up the smallest grain of rice.
>
> Sounds like he was easily amused. ;)
amuse us, it takes a lot of cash, megahertz, terabytes, wattage, grams,
kilos, pounds, drama, CGI, speed, and sometimes, a good amount of flesh.
If there's anything about our culture, it is that we're not easily
amused - especially not by the smallest grain of rice.
>
> Here at the beach a few years ago, one tourist shop offered:
>
> "Your name printed on a grain of rice - $5.00"
> LOL! Very weird yet different and unique.
satanic message would probably be worth $5. My guess is that a bag of
rice so inscribed for $10 would sell like cheap hotcakes. I wonder how
many grains of rice there are in a small bag?
Gary
Jan 21, 2012, 3:24:28 PM1/21/12
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notbob wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, the popularity of chopsticks seems to waning in present
> day Japan, where it's been reported that children's training
> chopsticks are at a shocking all time low in sales. I don't know
> about China, where chopsticks are still the primary eating implement.
> Perhaps they are fading, there, too. Seems the only place chopsticks
> are still religiously utilized is on NYC produced TV programs where
> apparently every round-eye in town is gifted from birth with the
> ability to retrieve Chinese from a take-out box using sticks and
> obviously everyone has a good pair in their pocket or desk drawer, as
> you never ever see anyone using those crappy disposable "slivers"
> (literally!) that are routinely included with every order. ;)
I agree. Normal ppl will use a spoon and fork to get the best out of their
>
> Unfortunately, the popularity of chopsticks seems to waning in present
> day Japan, where it's been reported that children's training
> chopsticks are at a shocking all time low in sales. I don't know
> about China, where chopsticks are still the primary eating implement.
> Perhaps they are fading, there, too. Seems the only place chopsticks
> are still religiously utilized is on NYC produced TV programs where
> apparently every round-eye in town is gifted from birth with the
> ability to retrieve Chinese from a take-out box using sticks and
> obviously everyone has a good pair in their pocket or desk drawer, as
> you never ever see anyone using those crappy disposable "slivers"
> (literally!) that are routinely included with every order. ;)
meal. Using chopsticks today seems to be more of a yuppie "let's try to be
cool" thing to do.
"Let's do chinese (or Japanese) tonight. Chopsticks, of course."
I did teach myself how to use them (somewhat) but I really don't see any
good use for them. It's old tech stuff now and I don't have any need to
impress anyone with my ability to use the useless things.
Gary
Gary
Jan 21, 2012, 3:28:57 PM1/21/12
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Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> Fries are very easy to eat with chopsticks too.
> >sometimes it just feels awkward to use chopsticks. like eating a cake
> >with chopsticks
>
> Why would you eat an entire cake with chopsticks...
I'm wondering why YOU would eat fries with chopsticks?
Gary
>
> Fries are very easy to eat with chopsticks too.
> >sometimes it just feels awkward to use chopsticks. like eating a cake
> >with chopsticks
>
> Why would you eat an entire cake with chopsticks...
Gary
Gary
Jan 21, 2012, 3:33:16 PM1/21/12
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Jerry Avins wrote:
>
> I prefer to drink water from an aluminum dipper.
> It changes the taste.
If you might remember, I questioned you on that years ago.
>
> I prefer to drink water from an aluminum dipper.
> It changes the taste.
Now that you've said it again, I believe you completely.
Gary
Jerry Avins
Jan 21, 2012, 3:33:39 PM1/21/12
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an amusing trick. I developed some skill when, in my early 20s, I
shared an apartment in Boston with three others. It was their custom
to have dinner every Friday night at Wah Yuen's in Chinatown, and they
invited me to join them. (Great food! The House of Roy was also
excellent.) It turned out that one ate with chopsticks from the common
serving dish, and the faster one ate, the more one ate. One's skill is
quickly honed!
Jerry
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Serene Vannoy
Jan 21, 2012, 3:55:04 PM1/21/12
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On 01/21/2012 05:24 AM, Gary wrote:
> Serene Vannoy wrote:
>>
>> I use them well, and usually only in two circumstances: If we're eating
>> Chinese/Japanese food (not Thai), or if we're out of clean forks.
>
> "if we're out of clean forks?"
> Geez....how long does it take to wash a couple of forks? ;-D
Depends. Do you have to wash a sinkful of dishes first, to find the
> Serene Vannoy wrote:
>>
>> I use them well, and usually only in two circumstances: If we're eating
>> Chinese/Japanese food (not Thai), or if we're out of clean forks.
>
> "if we're out of clean forks?"
> Geez....how long does it take to wash a couple of forks? ;-D
forks, or do you have to go upstairs to the teenager's room and excavate?
>> My first boyfriend was from Vietnam, and he taught me how to use them.
>> He said they used to play a game when he was little to see who could
>> pick up the smallest grain of rice.
>
> Sounds like he was easily amused. ;)
>
> Here at the beach a few years ago, one tourist shop offered:
>
> "Your name printed on a grain of rice - $5.00"
> LOL! Very weird yet different and unique.
>
> They used a laser something and they actually printed your name on a single
> grain of rice. You could only see it by using maybe a magnifying glass, or
> more likely a microscope?
>
> Anyway, that was strange enough that I was tempted to buy a few for future
> gifts to family or friends.
Serene
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Ross@home
Jan 21, 2012, 4:13:19 PM1/21/12
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On 20 Jan 2012 07:04:38 GMT, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>Do you use them? For what?
>Are you proficient with them?
>How often? For non-Asian foods?
I used to use chopsticks whenever we went out for Chinese food and
>Do you use them? For what?
>Are you proficient with them?
>How often? For non-Asian foods?
when we made Asian-style food at home and, I was quite proficient with
them.
We have a number of universities in the area and a large number of
students are Asian. Several years ago I learned a great lesson by
watching a bunch of these Asian students eat in a local Chinese
restaurant.
They were very proficient with their chopsticks, deftly using them to
push the food onto their forks. Saves getting sauce on your thumb.
Ross.
notbob
Jan 21, 2012, 4:43:38 PM1/21/12
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> I'm wondering why YOU would eat fries with chopsticks?
It's understood that chopsticks are a cultivated extension of using
one's fingers. No salt, grated cheese, bbq sauce, etc, on the
fingers. A no brainer. OTOH, Westerners are not fluent in sticks, so
it's neither obvious nor convenient. It's been my experience, the
more proficient one becomes at using them, the more often they are
used. I know everyone pooh-poohs their use, but ever tried to eat
sticky caramel corn with a fork? ;)
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notbob
Jan 21, 2012, 4:46:39 PM1/21/12
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On 2012-01-21, Ross@home <Ross@home> wrote:
> They were very proficient with their chopsticks, deftly using them to
> push the food onto their forks.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard and have never witnessed such
> They were very proficient with their chopsticks, deftly using them to
> push the food onto their forks.
a preposterous exercise in my life. In short, yer a lying troll!!
James Silverton
Jan 21, 2012, 5:39:52 PM1/21/12
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of food in two before picking them up with chopsticks. It's really an
implicit criticism of the restaurant since food is supposed to be sized
properly for chopsticks.
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dsi1
Jan 21, 2012, 6:17:06 PM1/21/12
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On Jan 21, 12:39 pm, James Silverton <jim.silver...@verizon.net>
wrote:
We're a multi-utensil culture over here. If I eat out, it's pretty
much 50-50. At home, I mostly use fork and spoon, mostly fork. My kids
grew up using hashi but my guess is that with each generation, the use
of 2 sticks will be on the wane.
You're right that the person preparing the food should be ashamed that
an old Chinese lady would do this. That's inexcusable. My guess is
that the Japanese still consider Western utensils as exotic and chic.
If they eat foreign dishes like curry or French food, they'll probably
use a fork or spoon. I'll use chopsticks cause I consider curry to be
Japanese food. :-)
wrote:
much 50-50. At home, I mostly use fork and spoon, mostly fork. My kids
grew up using hashi but my guess is that with each generation, the use
of 2 sticks will be on the wane.
You're right that the person preparing the food should be ashamed that
an old Chinese lady would do this. That's inexcusable. My guess is
that the Japanese still consider Western utensils as exotic and chic.
If they eat foreign dishes like curry or French food, they'll probably
use a fork or spoon. I'll use chopsticks cause I consider curry to be
Japanese food. :-)
spamtrap1888
Jan 21, 2012, 6:27:32 PM1/21/12
to
eat it with chopsticks. But Chinese restaurants leave it whole, making
it difficult to eat with their plastic chopsticks unless you don't
mind (a) nibbling a little off the ends in public, and (b) running the
risk of it escaping your grip and caroming off the table or plate.
spamtrap1888
Jan 21, 2012, 6:28:58 PM1/21/12
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chopsticks a breeze.
spamtrap1888
Jan 21, 2012, 6:30:19 PM1/21/12
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On Jan 20, 8:03 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
> a pho restaurant.
> and I don't get how you're supposed to eat
> rice that way.
You're supposed to eat rice out of a bowl, shoveling it into your
mouth with the chopsticks.
> notbob wrote:
>
> > Do you use them? For what?
>
>
> > Do you use them? For what?
>
> I used to use them all the time,
> but not since I went to low-carb.
>
> but not since I went to low-carb.
>
> > Are you proficient with them?
>
> Very.
>
>
> > How often? For non-Asian foods?
>
> Not at all anymore, unless I'm at
> > How often? For non-Asian foods?
>
> a pho restaurant.
>
> > I notice my old geezer honky friend, who uses chopsticks exclusively,
> > has mastered them to a point where it's natural. He even does what I
> > call the scissors method --which is choreographed nowhere on the web.
>
> That's how I do it.
> > I notice my old geezer honky friend, who uses chopsticks exclusively,
> > has mastered them to a point where it's natural. He even does what I
> > call the scissors method --which is choreographed nowhere on the web.
>
>
> > Instead of the narrow isosceles trianble hold, most common with
>
> I've tried that. I don't see any advantage,
> > Instead of the narrow isosceles trianble hold, most common with
>
> and I don't get how you're supposed to eat
> rice that way.
You're supposed to eat rice out of a bowl, shoveling it into your
mouth with the chopsticks.
dsi1
Jan 21, 2012, 7:37:26 PM1/21/12
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prepare dishes for use with chopsticks. I guess that's part of the
reason I use mostly a fork at home.
Ross@home
Jan 21, 2012, 7:45:48 PM1/21/12
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On 21 Jan 2012 21:46:39 GMT, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>On 2012-01-21, Ross@home <Ross@home> wrote:
>
>> They were very proficient with their chopsticks, deftly using them to
>> push the food onto their forks.
>
>That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard and have never witnessed such
>a preposterous exercise in my life. In short, yer a lying troll!!
>
>nb
The dumbest thing I've heard lately is what you just said.
>On 2012-01-21, Ross@home <Ross@home> wrote:
>
>> They were very proficient with their chopsticks, deftly using them to
>> push the food onto their forks.
>
>That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard and have never witnessed such
>a preposterous exercise in my life. In short, yer a lying troll!!
>
>nb
does nb stand for nutbar?
Ross.
notbob
Jan 21, 2012, 7:56:44 PM1/21/12
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On 2012-01-22, Ross@home <Ross@home> wrote:
> does nb stand for nutbar?
Oh chryst! ....not THIS friggin' troll, again. Toodles.
> does nb stand for nutbar?
Dan Abel
Jan 21, 2012, 8:49:42 PM1/21/12
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In article <4F1B1EFB...@att.net>, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
> notbob wrote:
> >
> > Unfortunately, the popularity of chopsticks seems to waning in present
> > day Japan, where it's been reported that children's training
> > chopsticks are at a shocking all time low in sales. I don't know
> > about China, where chopsticks are still the primary eating implement.
> > Perhaps they are fading, there, too. Seems the only place chopsticks
> > are still religiously utilized is on NYC produced TV programs where
> > apparently every round-eye in town is gifted from birth with the
> > ability to retrieve Chinese from a take-out box using sticks and
> > obviously everyone has a good pair in their pocket or desk drawer, as
> > you never ever see anyone using those crappy disposable "slivers"
> > (literally!) that are routinely included with every order. ;)
>
> I agree. Normal ppl will use a spoon and fork to get the best out of their
> meal. Using chopsticks today seems to be more of a yuppie "let's try to be
> cool" thing to do.
I guess you've never seen people eat with chopsticks who grew up with
> notbob wrote:
> >
> > Unfortunately, the popularity of chopsticks seems to waning in present
> > day Japan, where it's been reported that children's training
> > chopsticks are at a shocking all time low in sales. I don't know
> > about China, where chopsticks are still the primary eating implement.
> > Perhaps they are fading, there, too. Seems the only place chopsticks
> > are still religiously utilized is on NYC produced TV programs where
> > apparently every round-eye in town is gifted from birth with the
> > ability to retrieve Chinese from a take-out box using sticks and
> > obviously everyone has a good pair in their pocket or desk drawer, as
> > you never ever see anyone using those crappy disposable "slivers"
> > (literally!) that are routinely included with every order. ;)
>
> I agree. Normal ppl will use a spoon and fork to get the best out of their
> meal. Using chopsticks today seems to be more of a yuppie "let's try to be
> cool" thing to do.
them. My brother married a woman from China. She can do things with
chopsticks that I cannot do with spoon and fork. She has been in the US
for decades, so she is a pro with forks also. My brother has gotten
very good with chopsticks. Their children are also very adept with
chopsticks. They also read and write Chinese fluently.
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
da...@sonic.net
gregz
Jan 21, 2012, 10:00:33 PM1/21/12
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>> On Jan 20, 2:04 am, notbob<not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>>> Do you use them? For what?
>>> Are you proficient with them?
>>> How often? For non-Asian foods?
>>>
>>> Do you use them? For what?
>>> Are you proficient with them?
>>> How often? For non-Asian foods?
>>>
>>> The history can be found on wiki, so I'll bypass that. I've been
>>> using them, regularly, for about 6 yrs. I still don't consider myself
>>> anywhere near having mastered them. More comfortable and use 'em more
>>> and more, but still not my primary eating implement.
>>>
>>> using them, regularly, for about 6 yrs. I still don't consider myself
>>> anywhere near having mastered them. More comfortable and use 'em more
>>> and more, but still not my primary eating implement.
>>>
>>> I notice my old geezer honky friend, who uses chopsticks exclusively,
>>> has mastered them to a point where it's natural. He even does what I
>>> call the scissors method --which is choreographed nowhere on the web.
>>> has mastered them to a point where it's natural. He even does what I
>>> call the scissors method --which is choreographed nowhere on the web.
>>> Instead of the narrow isosceles trianble hold, most common with
>>> novice/intermediate users, he crosses the sticks and pinches the food
>>> item in a backward cross pinch. This is not unusual, having seen
>>> scores of old geezers at pho houses using the exact same scissors-like
>>> method. My buddy can't even articulate what he's doing, having done
>>> it so long. But, I see the distinction.
>>>
>>> BTW, nothing pisses me off like the lame-O retard TV producers who
>>> consistently, to the point of boredom, always show ppl eating Chinese
>>> take-out from the box with chopsticks, like every single living
>>> individual in NYC is born with the inate ability to eat with
>>> chopsticks. The only exception to this insane stereotype is
>>> Christopher Noth on Law and Order, who once actually ate Chinese
>>> take-out from the box with a plastic fork, like most real ppl! Mark
>>> this day!! ;)
>>>
>>> item in a backward cross pinch. This is not unusual, having seen
>>> scores of old geezers at pho houses using the exact same scissors-like
>>> method. My buddy can't even articulate what he's doing, having done
>>> it so long. But, I see the distinction.
>>>
>>> BTW, nothing pisses me off like the lame-O retard TV producers who
>>> consistently, to the point of boredom, always show ppl eating Chinese
>>> take-out from the box with chopsticks, like every single living
>>> individual in NYC is born with the inate ability to eat with
>>> chopsticks. The only exception to this insane stereotype is
>>> Christopher Noth on Law and Order, who once actually ate Chinese
>>> take-out from the box with a plastic fork, like most real ppl! Mark
>>> this day!! ;)
>>>
>>> nb
>>>
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>>
>> At home, I use chopsticks mostly for cooking. Picking out a piece of
>> pasta to check for done, for example, or manipulating pieces 1n Teflon
>> pan. (My steel turners are smooth enough for Teflon, but my tongs
>> would scratch.) I guess I'm fairly proficient. Being mostly left
>> handed, I was eating with my right hand while I did a crossword with
>> my left. After a while, I realized that I was eating with chopsticks
>> -- crosswords can be distracting. I have eaten stiff Jello with
>> chopsticks just to show off, but that's nothing next to a Korean chap
>> who broke an egg into desert cup and picked the yolk out whole to --
>> as he put it -- "make show". I sometimes make my own version of ramen
>> that I eat with a large soup spoon abd chopsticks. If I had to use a
>> fork, I would probably use something else or break the noodles small
>> before putting them in.
>
> The egg is a real achievement but I can usually pick up cubes of jello
> with hashi (chopsticks). I only try that in Chinese buffets and I'm
> sometimes reduced to stabbing them. Japanese and Chinese do eat soup
> without a spoon by raising the cup to their lips. If there are solid
> things, like noodles and meat in Pho soup, I use hashi. (OK, let me be
> honest, I don't usually raise a large Pho bowl to my lips and I use the
> porcelain soup spoons that are provided.)
>
> Generally Chinese cooks use much oversized chopsticks as cooking
> implements. It is also easier to cut food with the large ones.
I was fortunate to have worked in a university research center. I often ate
>>
>> At home, I use chopsticks mostly for cooking. Picking out a piece of
>> pasta to check for done, for example, or manipulating pieces 1n Teflon
>> pan. (My steel turners are smooth enough for Teflon, but my tongs
>> would scratch.) I guess I'm fairly proficient. Being mostly left
>> handed, I was eating with my right hand while I did a crossword with
>> my left. After a while, I realized that I was eating with chopsticks
>> -- crosswords can be distracting. I have eaten stiff Jello with
>> chopsticks just to show off, but that's nothing next to a Korean chap
>> who broke an egg into desert cup and picked the yolk out whole to --
>> as he put it -- "make show". I sometimes make my own version of ramen
>> that I eat with a large soup spoon abd chopsticks. If I had to use a
>> fork, I would probably use something else or break the noodles small
>> before putting them in.
>
> The egg is a real achievement but I can usually pick up cubes of jello
> with hashi (chopsticks). I only try that in Chinese buffets and I'm
> sometimes reduced to stabbing them. Japanese and Chinese do eat soup
> without a spoon by raising the cup to their lips. If there are solid
> things, like noodles and meat in Pho soup, I use hashi. (OK, let me be
> honest, I don't usually raise a large Pho bowl to my lips and I use the
> porcelain soup spoons that are provided.)
>
> Generally Chinese cooks use much oversized chopsticks as cooking
> implements. It is also easier to cut food with the large ones.
lunch and worked with a wide variety of people. For example one group
consisted of a female Russian. A black and white girl from England. There
was the Korean from Australian dialect. Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, etc.
I was reminded eating at one place, thinking Chinese, were one of the
favorite menu items was a big bowl of soup, too big to lift to mouth. There
were several soups being offered with interesting ingredients. I think all
used spoons sitting and eating with the mixed group of people.
Greg
gregz
Jan 21, 2012, 10:00:33 PM1/21/12
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James Silverton <jim.si...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 1/20/2012 11:51 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> and bring it to my mouth.
>> me eating with chopsticks is tantamount to starting a fire by rubbing
>> two sticks together. The only plus I can think of about eating with
>> chopsticks is they are less gross than how a-rabs eat with the same
>> unwashed fingers they use to squeegee their butt hole.
>
> A method I have used to teach chopsticks to Europeans might be of
> interest. The major observation is that the upper stick is manipulated
> just like a pencil and the lower is held unmoving.
I ate a whole dish once. I watched others my table, most were oriental, and
it was not that bad. I don't do it at home. And, got to also have .saltine
crackers, made for Chinese food. Prefer unsalted tops.
Greg
> On 1/20/2012 11:51 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On 20 Jan 2012 07:04:38 GMT, notbob<not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Do you use them? For what?
>>
>> For what do you have in mind?
>>
>>> Do you use them? For what?
>>
>>
>>> Are you proficient with them?
>>
>> Not sure what's meant by proficient, but I can pick up whatever I want
>>> Are you proficient with them?
>>
>> and bring it to my mouth.
>>
>>> How often? For non-Asian foods?
>>
>> Rarely, for any food. I don't enjoy any food using chop sticks. To
>>> How often? For non-Asian foods?
>>
>> me eating with chopsticks is tantamount to starting a fire by rubbing
>> two sticks together. The only plus I can think of about eating with
>> chopsticks is they are less gross than how a-rabs eat with the same
>> unwashed fingers they use to squeegee their butt hole.
>
> A method I have used to teach chopsticks to Europeans might be of
> interest. The major observation is that the upper stick is manipulated
> just like a pencil and the lower is held unmoving.
I ate a whole dish once. I watched others my table, most were oriental, and
it was not that bad. I don't do it at home. And, got to also have .saltine
crackers, made for Chinese food. Prefer unsalted tops.
Greg
Polly Esther
Jan 21, 2012, 10:34:13 PM1/21/12
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"Serene Vannoy" <
> Depends. Do you have to wash a sinkful of dishes first, to find the forks,
> or do you have to go upstairs to the teenager's room and excavate?
>
LOL. Good shot, Serene. Only those of us who have survived excavation can
> or do you have to go upstairs to the teenager's room and excavate?
>
really understand. Polly
Polly Esther
Jan 21, 2012, 10:42:13 PM1/21/12
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"spamtrap1888" When I make gai lan, I slice it diagonally across the grain
so I can
eat it with chopsticks. But Chinese restaurants leave it whole, making
it difficult to eat with their plastic chopsticks unless you don't
mind (a) nibbling a little off the ends in public, and (b) running the
risk of it escaping your grip and caroming off the table or plate.
I wear chopsticks. My hair is quite long so I wind it up on my head (
eat it with chopsticks. But Chinese restaurants leave it whole, making
it difficult to eat with their plastic chopsticks unless you don't
mind (a) nibbling a little off the ends in public, and (b) running the
risk of it escaping your grip and caroming off the table or plate.
somewhere between Princess Grace and Ma Kettle) and poke a chopstick
through. It's a trick I learned from a Chinese friend who showed me that a
plain old pencil works quite as well. I sew with chopsticks. When easing
lace onto entredeux, firm guidance is required. A wooden chopstick won't
break if a sewing machine needle hits it and no trip to the ER results.
Polly
Bob Terwilliger
Jan 22, 2012, 12:07:02 AM1/22/12
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spamtrap wrote:
> When I make gai lan, I slice it diagonally across the grain so I can
> eat it with chopsticks. But Chinese restaurants leave it whole, making
> it difficult to eat with their plastic chopsticks unless you don't
> mind (a) nibbling a little off the ends in public, and (b) running the
> risk of it escaping your grip and caroming off the table or plate.
I'm willing to take that risk. Adds excitement and an element of danger
> When I make gai lan, I slice it diagonally across the grain so I can
> eat it with chopsticks. But Chinese restaurants leave it whole, making
> it difficult to eat with their plastic chopsticks unless you don't
> mind (a) nibbling a little off the ends in public, and (b) running the
> risk of it escaping your grip and caroming off the table or plate.
to the meal.
Bob
Gary
Jan 22, 2012, 7:48:14 AM1/22/12
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Dan Abel wrote:
fork or spoon to cook. It's impressive to see.
Nice that your brother's wife has taught their children Chinese too. I can
imagine that being fluent in that language will give them many extra job
opportunities after college. It would look good on a resume for say
government jobs with....State dept, Defense dept, CIA, NSA, etc.
My father worked for Dept of Defense all of his career. He can speak/read
Chinese. I think they have many variations of the language too, don't they?
Learning a 2nd language takes well if you learn it early as a child at home.
When I was in school, I had the choice of French or Spanish. I took several
years of French. In hindsight, Spanish would have been more useful to know
now. At the very least, when a phone recording said, "Press 1 for English
Press 2 for Spanish," I'd have two choices instead of one. heheh ;)
Gary
>
> Gary wrote:
> > I agree. Normal ppl will use a spoon and fork to get the best out of their
> > meal. Using chopsticks today seems to be more of a yuppie "let's try to be
> > cool" thing to do.
>
> I guess you've never seen people eat with chopsticks who grew up with
> them. My brother married a woman from China. She can do things with
> chopsticks that I cannot do with spoon and fork. She has been in the US
> for decades, so she is a pro with forks also. My brother has gotten
> very good with chopsticks. Their children are also very adept with
> chopsticks. They also read and write Chinese fluently.
I've seen Morimoto use them proficiently on Iron Chef just as I might use a
> Gary wrote:
> > I agree. Normal ppl will use a spoon and fork to get the best out of their
> > meal. Using chopsticks today seems to be more of a yuppie "let's try to be
> > cool" thing to do.
>
> I guess you've never seen people eat with chopsticks who grew up with
> them. My brother married a woman from China. She can do things with
> chopsticks that I cannot do with spoon and fork. She has been in the US
> for decades, so she is a pro with forks also. My brother has gotten
> very good with chopsticks. Their children are also very adept with
> chopsticks. They also read and write Chinese fluently.
fork or spoon to cook. It's impressive to see.
Nice that your brother's wife has taught their children Chinese too. I can
imagine that being fluent in that language will give them many extra job
opportunities after college. It would look good on a resume for say
government jobs with....State dept, Defense dept, CIA, NSA, etc.
My father worked for Dept of Defense all of his career. He can speak/read
Chinese. I think they have many variations of the language too, don't they?
Learning a 2nd language takes well if you learn it early as a child at home.
When I was in school, I had the choice of French or Spanish. I took several
years of French. In hindsight, Spanish would have been more useful to know
now. At the very least, when a phone recording said, "Press 1 for English
Press 2 for Spanish," I'd have two choices instead of one. heheh ;)
Gary
Ed Pawlowski
Jan 22, 2012, 10:11:04 AM1/22/12
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On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 07:48:14 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>
>When I was in school, I had the choice of French or Spanish. I took several
>years of French. In hindsight, Spanish would have been more useful to know
>now. At the very least, when a phone recording said, "Press 1 for English
>Press 2 for Spanish," I'd have two choices instead of one. heheh ;)
>
>Gary
You were fortunate. I was "given" Latin. I know what they say about
>
>When I was in school, I had the choice of French or Spanish. I took several
>years of French. In hindsight, Spanish would have been more useful to know
>now. At the very least, when a phone recording said, "Press 1 for English
>Press 2 for Spanish," I'd have two choices instead of one. heheh ;)
>
>Gary
it, but as a typical high school student I had no interest in learning
a dead language. Spanish would be much more useful in real life. Or
most any other language. Wish I paid more attention to Polish when my
grandparents used it too.
Brooklyn1
Jan 22, 2012, 12:44:49 PM1/22/12
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On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 03:00:33 +0000 (UTC), gregz <ze...@comcast.net>
wrote:
>James Silverton <jim.si...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On 1/20/2012 11:51 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> On 20 Jan 2012 07:04:38 GMT, notbob<not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you use them? For what?
>>>
>>> For what do you have in mind?
>>>
>>>> Are you proficient with them?
>>>
>>> Not sure what's meant by proficient, but I can pick up whatever I want
>>> and bring it to my mouth.
>>>
>>>> How often? For non-Asian foods?
>>>
>>> Rarely, for any food. I don't enjoy any food using chop sticks. To
>>> me eating with chopsticks is tantamount to starting a fire by rubbing
>>> two sticks together. The only plus I can think of about eating with
>>> chopsticks is they are less gross than how a-rabs eat with the same
>>> unwashed fingers they use to squeegee their butt hole.
>>
>> A method I have used to teach chopsticks to Europeans might be of
>> interest. The major observation is that the upper stick is manipulated
>> just like a pencil and the lower is held unmoving.
>
>
>I ate a whole dish once.
Musta hurt like a motherfucker exiting.
wrote:
>James Silverton <jim.si...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On 1/20/2012 11:51 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> On 20 Jan 2012 07:04:38 GMT, notbob<not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you use them? For what?
>>>
>>> For what do you have in mind?
>>>
>>>> Are you proficient with them?
>>>
>>> Not sure what's meant by proficient, but I can pick up whatever I want
>>> and bring it to my mouth.
>>>
>>>> How often? For non-Asian foods?
>>>
>>> Rarely, for any food. I don't enjoy any food using chop sticks. To
>>> me eating with chopsticks is tantamount to starting a fire by rubbing
>>> two sticks together. The only plus I can think of about eating with
>>> chopsticks is they are less gross than how a-rabs eat with the same
>>> unwashed fingers they use to squeegee their butt hole.
>>
>> A method I have used to teach chopsticks to Europeans might be of
>> interest. The major observation is that the upper stick is manipulated
>> just like a pencil and the lower is held unmoving.
>
>
>I ate a whole dish once.
Gary
Jan 22, 2012, 1:07:03 PM1/22/12
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Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> greg wrote:
> >I ate a whole dish once.
>
> Musta hurt like a motherfucker exiting.
LMAO!@ You ppl are funny sometimes! ;)
> greg wrote:
> >I ate a whole dish once.
>
> Musta hurt like a motherfucker exiting.
Doug Freyburger
Jan 23, 2012, 3:53:32 PM1/23/12
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Jim Elbrecht wrote:
> Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>
>>Later on, someone figured out that eating with a pair of sticks was kind of
>>stupid, and he invented the fork. Worked so much better except for soup,
>>etc. No problem said the next inventor who came up with the complimentary
>>spoon.
>
> Just to pick a nit here-- the spoon predated the [eating] fork by
> centuries. Forks were for grabbing stuff out of a fire-- fingers
> and knives gave way to knives and spoons-- and a few hundred years
> alter the fork made it to the table.
The fork was invented in China and then evenaully fell out of use again
in favor of chopsticks which had been used there long before the fork
was invented. Forks are one of the products Marco Polo introduced to
Europe.
> Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>
>>Later on, someone figured out that eating with a pair of sticks was kind of
>>stupid, and he invented the fork. Worked so much better except for soup,
>>etc. No problem said the next inventor who came up with the complimentary
>>spoon.
>
> Just to pick a nit here-- the spoon predated the [eating] fork by
> centuries. Forks were for grabbing stuff out of a fire-- fingers
> and knives gave way to knives and spoons-- and a few hundred years
> alter the fork made it to the table.
The fork was invented in China and then evenaully fell out of use again
in favor of chopsticks which had been used there long before the fork
was invented. Forks are one of the products Marco Polo introduced to
Europe.
Doug Freyburger
Jan 23, 2012, 3:55:36 PM1/23/12
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Gary wrote:
> Mark Thorson wrote:
The good ones are made out of wood. Insoluble fiber. If you eat your
chop sticks you get to deduct their fiber. They come out a net zero.
;^)
> Mark Thorson wrote:
>> notbob wrote:
>
>> > Do you use them? For what?
>>
>
>> > Do you use them? For what?
>>
>> I used to use them all the time,
>> but not since I went to low-carb.
>
> Well there ya go! Chopsticks are evil high carbs too! ;)
>> but not since I went to low-carb.
>
The good ones are made out of wood. Insoluble fiber. If you eat your
chop sticks you get to deduct their fiber. They come out a net zero.
;^)
dsi1
Jan 23, 2012, 4:26:47 PM1/23/12
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and tried eating the fried rice with the long plastic chopsticks. I'm as
good as anybody who's used chopsticks since small kid time but it didn't
take but seconds for me to change it out for a fork. Good thing too,
otherwise we'd still be there. :-)
notbob
Jan 23, 2012, 4:42:43 PM1/23/12
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On 2012-01-23, dsi1 <ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
> good as anybody who's used chopsticks since small kid time but it didn't
> take but seconds for me to change it out for a fork. Good thing too,
> otherwise we'd still be there. :-)
Anyone who's ever watched some of the better Chinese cinema, knows
> good as anybody who's used chopsticks since small kid time but it didn't
> take but seconds for me to change it out for a fork. Good thing too,
> otherwise we'd still be there. :-)
it's perfect etiquette to bring the bowl to your mouth and shovel rice
with chopsticks, as someone here in rfc has already pointed out.
nb
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dsi1
Jan 23, 2012, 5:23:13 PM1/23/12
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On 1/23/2012 11:42 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2012-01-23, dsi1<ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>
>> good as anybody who's used chopsticks since small kid time but it didn't
>> take but seconds for me to change it out for a fork. Good thing too,
>> otherwise we'd still be there. :-)
>
> Anyone who's ever watched some of the better Chinese cinema, knows
> it's perfect etiquette to bring the bowl to your mouth and shovel rice
> with chopsticks, as someone here in rfc has already pointed out.
>
> nb
>
I'll eat it like that too - but it has to be in a rice bowl. I have yet
> On 2012-01-23, dsi1<ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>
>> good as anybody who's used chopsticks since small kid time but it didn't
>> take but seconds for me to change it out for a fork. Good thing too,
>> otherwise we'd still be there. :-)
>
> Anyone who's ever watched some of the better Chinese cinema, knows
> it's perfect etiquette to bring the bowl to your mouth and shovel rice
> with chopsticks, as someone here in rfc has already pointed out.
>
> nb
>
to see a Chinese person hold a plate up to their mouth and shovel food
in. I also drink soup that way too - if it's in the proper bowl. As it
goes, I pretty much know what the acceptable and customary way to eat
Chinese, Korean, and Japanese food.
I love Asian cinema, but don't know what you mean by "better Chinese
cinema." Here's a lesson on how not to use chopsticks by one of my
favorite directors - Takeshi Kitano
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY8PRFro7v0
Jean B.
Jan 23, 2012, 8:55:13 PM1/23/12
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Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> notbob asked:
>
> > Do you use them?
>
> Yes.
>
>
> > For what?
>
> Eating and cooking. I use chopsticks wherever I find them more
> expedient, e.g., with all manner of long noodles or for dishes which
> don't have too-large or too-small chunks of food. I use them in cooking
> frequently, especially when stir-frying with a nonstick pan.
> a week for eating, and that same number for cooking.
>
> Bob
My daughter prefers using chopstick. She claims she can't eat
noodle-type things any other way. I tell her she should carry
chopsticks with her.
Moi? Some things seem better with chopsticks. Little bits of
food. Or maybe it's the wood (in my case) as vs. metal.
--
Jean B.
> notbob asked:
>
> > Do you use them?
>
> Yes.
>
>
> > For what?
>
> Eating and cooking. I use chopsticks wherever I find them more
> expedient, e.g., with all manner of long noodles or for dishes which
> don't have too-large or too-small chunks of food. I use them in cooking
> frequently, especially when stir-frying with a nonstick pan.
>
>
> > Are you proficient with them?
>
> I get by.
>
> > Are you proficient with them?
>
>
>
> > How often? For non-Asian foods?
>
> Doesn't matter to me whether the food is Asian or not. Maybe four times
>
> > How often? For non-Asian foods?
>
> a week for eating, and that same number for cooking.
>
> Bob
My daughter prefers using chopstick. She claims she can't eat
noodle-type things any other way. I tell her she should carry
chopsticks with her.
Moi? Some things seem better with chopsticks. Little bits of
food. Or maybe it's the wood (in my case) as vs. metal.
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
Jan 23, 2012, 8:56:59 PM1/23/12
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aem wrote:
> Yes, for eating and for cooking.
> have a pair for cooking that are about a foot long, if not a bit
> longer, that are useful for cooking. I think of all of them as "long
> fingers". -aem
>
I wonder why I don't cook with them more? They sure would beat
other utensils for some things. I even have some cooking chopsticks.
--
Jean B.
> Yes, for eating and for cooking.
>
>> Are you proficient with them?
>
> Yes, after a lifetime of practice.
>> Are you proficient with them?
>
>
>> How often? For non-Asian foods?
>
> Whenever it's convenient. In addition to the normal eating-size I
>> How often? For non-Asian foods?
>
> have a pair for cooking that are about a foot long, if not a bit
> longer, that are useful for cooking. I think of all of them as "long
> fingers". -aem
>
I wonder why I don't cook with them more? They sure would beat
other utensils for some things. I even have some cooking chopsticks.
--
Jean B.
notbob
Jan 24, 2012, 8:32:53 AM1/24/12
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On 2012-01-24, Jean B. <jb...@rcn.com> wrote:
> food. Or maybe it's the wood (in my case) as vs. metal.
There's some really nice chopsticks, out there. Everything from
> food. Or maybe it's the wood (in my case) as vs. metal.
beautiful enameled Japanese sticks to stainless steel traveling
sticks. I couldn't find any in my remote corner of the World, even at
our one cooking specialty shop. They always seemed to be out or had
forgot to order more, etc. Even a trip to Colo Sprngs to the one
large Asian mkt was a bust, they having only cheap disposables. Last
Summer, my patience was rewarded and I discovered a single pkg of
twisted, cured, Chinese bamboo chopsticks (4 pr) at our little shop.
Very nice sticks, being both simple, yet elegant. I use them almost
daily.
James Silverton
Jan 24, 2012, 9:03:58 AM1/24/12
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On 1/24/2012 8:32 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2012-01-24, Jean B.<jb...@rcn.com> wrote:
>
>> food. Or maybe it's the wood (in my case) as vs. metal.
>
> There's some really nice chopsticks, out there. Everything from
> beautiful enameled Japanese sticks to stainless steel traveling
> sticks. I couldn't find any in my remote corner of the World, even at
> our one cooking specialty shop. They always seemed to be out or had
> forgot to order more, etc. Even a trip to Colo Sprngs to the one
> large Asian mkt was a bust, they having only cheap disposables. Last
> Summer, my patience was rewarded and I discovered a single pkg of
> twisted, cured, Chinese bamboo chopsticks (4 pr) at our little shop.
> Very nice sticks, being both simple, yet elegant. I use them almost
> daily.
>
> nb
>
I usually use washable bamboo chopsticks tho' I rather like the
> On 2012-01-24, Jean B.<jb...@rcn.com> wrote:
>
>> food. Or maybe it's the wood (in my case) as vs. metal.
>
> There's some really nice chopsticks, out there. Everything from
> beautiful enameled Japanese sticks to stainless steel traveling
> sticks. I couldn't find any in my remote corner of the World, even at
> our one cooking specialty shop. They always seemed to be out or had
> forgot to order more, etc. Even a trip to Colo Sprngs to the one
> large Asian mkt was a bust, they having only cheap disposables. Last
> Summer, my patience was rewarded and I discovered a single pkg of
> twisted, cured, Chinese bamboo chopsticks (4 pr) at our little shop.
> Very nice sticks, being both simple, yet elegant. I use them almost
> daily.
>
> nb
>
disposable Japanese ones (perhaps a bit wasteful in these ecological
days.) I have to admit that we were given a set of four engraved ivory
ones as a wedding present many years ago and I do use them on special
occasions.
Brooklyn1
Jan 24, 2012, 10:15:56 AM1/24/12
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"Jean B." wrote:
>
>My daughter prefers using chopstick. She claims she can't eat
>noodle-type things any other way. I tell her she should carry
>chopsticks with her.
>
>Moi? Some things seem better with chopsticks. Little bits of
>food. Or maybe it's the wood (in my case) as vs. metal.
There are disposable wooden forks, spoons, and cutlery too, for restos
>
>My daughter prefers using chopstick. She claims she can't eat
>noodle-type things any other way. I tell her she should carry
>chopsticks with her.
>
>Moi? Some things seem better with chopsticks. Little bits of
>food. Or maybe it's the wood (in my case) as vs. metal.
they're much more sanitary and cost a lot less than using metal eating
utensils, and far greener than plastic. I would much prefer wooden
utensils at restos, disposable dinnerware too. Very nice looking
dinnerware is available made from plant starch, it's biodegradable and
costs but pennies each piece... costs more just to wash china dishes,
a lot more.
Brooklyn1
Jan 24, 2012, 10:23:08 AM1/24/12
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convenient for the type of cooking westerners do. And haven't you
ever looked into an open Asian kitchen, they move food around in woks
with metal implements, I've never seen them use chopsticks for cooking
except on foodtv.
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gtr
Jan 24, 2012, 12:53:09 PM1/24/12
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On 2012-01-20 07:04:38 +0000, notbob said:
> Do you use them? For what?
> Do you use them? For what?
> Are you proficient with them?
> How often? For non-Asian foods?
When I was in my early 20's in college I saw a non-asian eating with
chopsticks in a Chinese restaurant. I thought it was really cool and
sophisticated some kinda way.
I figured if everytime I ate Chinese food I used chopsticks
exclusively, I would eventually be expert. I don't know when exactly,
but some time over the next many years, it became comfortable, logical,
easy.
Over the past 20 years the wife and I became heavily involved in
Japanese culture beginning with the food. We've now been there for 2-
or 3-week vacations on six occasions. There's an old Japanese idea that
one must eat every last grain of rice in the bowl. I always do, and at
one time eating one grain at a time was a little challenge. No more.
We always get compliments on our ability to use chopsticks, which is
kind of silly.
We live near Westminster, CA (aka "Little Saigon") and so eat
Vietnamese food at least once a week, and just next to Garden Grove
which has a sizeable Korean enclave. We get lots of opportunities to
continue using chopsticks.
It doesn't seem that difficult, and as you might imagine, I can barely
remember not being able to use them. If I eat steamed rice, as I did
last night at home, I don't feel comfortable eating it with a fork. So
despite having broiled cod, steamed broccoli and a salad, I still used
the chopsticks to eat the rice.
I'll be having left-over rice today for lunch with some furikake
sprinkled on it, as I always do the day after steaming rice. I'll be
using chopsticks.
--
I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use.
-- Galileo
gtr
Jan 24, 2012, 12:55:57 PM1/24/12
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On 2012-01-21 21:46:39 +0000, notbob said:
> On 2012-01-21, Ross@home <Ross@home> wrote:
>
>> They were very proficient with their chopsticks, deftly using them to
>> push the food onto their forks.
>
> That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard and have never witnessed such
> a preposterous exercise in my life. In short, yer a lying troll!!
I see this frequently in Japanese restaurants, but not with a fork.
> On 2012-01-21, Ross@home <Ross@home> wrote:
>
>> They were very proficient with their chopsticks, deftly using them to
>> push the food onto their forks.
>
> That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard and have never witnessed such
> a preposterous exercise in my life. In short, yer a lying troll!!
They use the chopsticks to place the items they want into a soup-spoon,
neatly meticulously; a little piece of park, a few pieces of this green
or that. Then they put the spoon in their mouth. I've seen kids do
that too, but particularly women.
Why they do it just so, I can't say. I prefer a more rapid way of
getting it in my mouth.
dsi1
Jan 24, 2012, 1:39:04 PM1/24/12
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On 1/24/2012 7:55 AM, gtr wrote:
> On 2012-01-21 21:46:39 +0000, notbob said:
>
>> On 2012-01-21, Ross@home <Ross@home> wrote:
>>
>>> They were very proficient with their chopsticks, deftly using them to
>>> push the food onto their forks.
>>
>> That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard and have never witnessed such
>> a preposterous exercise in my life. In short, yer a lying troll!!
>
> I see this frequently in Japanese restaurants, but not with a fork. They
> use the chopsticks to place the items they want into a soup-spoon,
> neatly meticulously; a little piece of park, a few pieces of this green
> or that. Then they put the spoon in their mouth. I've seen kids do that
> too, but particularly women.
>
> Why they do it just so, I can't say. I prefer a more rapid way of
> getting it in my mouth.
We always eat ramen with chopstick and Chinese style soup spoon. I have
> On 2012-01-21 21:46:39 +0000, notbob said:
>
>> On 2012-01-21, Ross@home <Ross@home> wrote:
>>
>>> They were very proficient with their chopsticks, deftly using them to
>>> push the food onto their forks.
>>
>> That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard and have never witnessed such
>> a preposterous exercise in my life. In short, yer a lying troll!!
>
> I see this frequently in Japanese restaurants, but not with a fork. They
> use the chopsticks to place the items they want into a soup-spoon,
> neatly meticulously; a little piece of park, a few pieces of this green
> or that. Then they put the spoon in their mouth. I've seen kids do that
> too, but particularly women.
>
> Why they do it just so, I can't say. I prefer a more rapid way of
> getting it in my mouth.
no idea how people eat that dish on the mainland. Probably wrongly.
George
Jan 24, 2012, 1:42:00 PM1/24/12
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could get someone familiar with NYC to take you to a restaurant that
features tempura. There are at least 3 I know there that are just like
being in Japan.
James Silverton
Jan 24, 2012, 2:19:10 PM1/24/12
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On 1/24/2012 12:55 PM, gtr wrote:
> On 2012-01-21 21:46:39 +0000, notbob said:
>
>> On 2012-01-21, Ross@home <Ross@home> wrote:
>>
>>> They were very proficient with their chopsticks, deftly using them to
>>> push the food onto their forks.
>>
>> That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard and have never witnessed such
>> a preposterous exercise in my life. In short, yer a lying troll!!
>
> I see this frequently in Japanese restaurants, but not with a fork. They
> use the chopsticks to place the items they want into a soup-spoon,
> neatly meticulously; a little piece of park, a few pieces of this green
> or that. Then they put the spoon in their mouth. I've seen kids do that
> too, but particularly women.
>
> Why they do it just so, I can't say. I prefer a more rapid way of
> getting it in my mouth.
I've seen people who look that they may have used chopsticks for a long
> On 2012-01-21 21:46:39 +0000, notbob said:
>
>> On 2012-01-21, Ross@home <Ross@home> wrote:
>>
>>> They were very proficient with their chopsticks, deftly using them to
>>> push the food onto their forks.
>>
>> That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard and have never witnessed such
>> a preposterous exercise in my life. In short, yer a lying troll!!
>
> I see this frequently in Japanese restaurants, but not with a fork. They
> use the chopsticks to place the items they want into a soup-spoon,
> neatly meticulously; a little piece of park, a few pieces of this green
> or that. Then they put the spoon in their mouth. I've seen kids do that
> too, but particularly women.
>
> Why they do it just so, I can't say. I prefer a more rapid way of
> getting it in my mouth.
time doing something similar in Pho restaurants. Dipping sauce in soup
spoon, picking up meat in chopsticks, dipping meat in sauce, then
eating. I'm not expert enough for that and just use a plate with the
dipping sauce (1:1 hoisin:sriracha, usually)
merryb
Jan 24, 2012, 2:23:56 PM1/24/12
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Doug Freyburger
Jan 24, 2012, 5:28:12 PM1/24/12
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gtr wrote:
>
> When I was in my early 20's in college I saw a non-asian eating with
> chopsticks in a Chinese restaurant. I thought it was really cool and
> sophisticated some kinda way.
>
> I figured if everytime I ate Chinese food I used chopsticks
> exclusively, I would eventually be expert. I don't know when exactly,
> but some time over the next many years, it became comfortable, logical,
> easy.
When I first arrived at college the guys at from the dorm went to a
>
> When I was in my early 20's in college I saw a non-asian eating with
> chopsticks in a Chinese restaurant. I thought it was really cool and
> sophisticated some kinda way.
>
> I figured if everytime I ate Chinese food I used chopsticks
> exclusively, I would eventually be expert. I don't know when exactly,
> but some time over the next many years, it became comfortable, logical,
> easy.
Chinese place that had no forks. They put me through a lesson and
expected me to eat. With practice it went from hard to easy.
> Over the past 20 years the wife and I became heavily involved in
> Japanese culture beginning with the food. We've now been there for 2-
> or 3-week vacations on six occasions.
>
> We live near Westminster, CA (aka "Little Saigon") and so eat
> Vietnamese food at least once a week, and just next to Garden Grove
> which has a sizeable Korean enclave. We get lots of opportunities to
> continue using chopsticks.
Torrence Bowl isn't that near to you but it is in the metro area. They
> Vietnamese food at least once a week, and just next to Garden Grove
> which has a sizeable Korean enclave. We get lots of opportunities to
> continue using chopsticks.
used to have very good Japanese food at a good price. Not what you'd
expect for a bowling alley.
Jean B.
Jan 24, 2012, 6:17:12 PM1/24/12
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isn't disposable though.
And I have a hard enough time pondering washing by hand vs. in the
DW (although here, I rarely use the latter) without thinking about
the pros and cons of that biodegradable dinnerware. If you
mention a brand, I'll try to look into that.
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
Jan 24, 2012, 6:17:58 PM1/24/12
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Jean B.
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