Penzeys Spices put up a letter to America's CEO's.

[ImStillMags]

Letter to America's CEOs
Dear CEO,

Please give us a moment to share something we hope you will find very valuable.

Our customers come from all walks of life. The kindness of cooks knows no borders or divides. In the aftermath of the election, seeing the intentional damage inflicted on so many outside the white heterosexual male world, we raised our voice. We felt we had to. We did this because we are Penzeys. The Spice business is so intertwined with history that it's not really possible to have one without the other. It became clear to us that we are now in a moment history will long have its eyes upon. For the sake of our customers, and for the sake of future generations, we felt the time had come to stand on the right side of history.

And while the reasons for why we took a stand might be specific to our unique outlook, what we learned actually applies to all commerce in the United States. What we learned is that President-elect Donald Trump has no real support. Voters, sure, but no constituency. Running a campaign on "that horrible-terrible-woman who should be locked up," while at the same time working to raise fear of minorities among white voters with limited access to education, clearly achieved its goal. But none of it left Americans with any sense of connection to the candidate they actually voted for.

Willing to take a hit for what is right, we did what we did. In the two weeks since, online sales are up 59.9%, gift box sales up 135%. And we didn't have a catalog arrive in this window this year, while last year we had 1.1 million! Yes, maybe for the moment we have lost 3% of our customers because of the so-called "right wing firestorm." And, yes, they send emails of rage, and ALL CAPS, and bad language with the hope of creating the perception that they are bigger than they really are. But what we learned is that, in terms of retail spending, Donald Trump simply has no one supporting his views for America. He has no constituency.

America's Values, on the other hand, have a really sizable constituency, and that constituency moves quickly to support those that stand up for the values of America. If, as a company, you have values, now is the time to share them. You may well lose a chunk of your AM radio-listening customers, but if you really are honest and sincere, don't be surprised to see your promotions suddenly, finally, find active engagement with the Millennial generation.

And the time for this really is now. We understand all too well that, with the holidays, December is a tough month to get things done. We understand that a change in direction will not be easy, but you are where you are because you don't need things to be easy. If you wait until after the wheels come off the track for the incoming administration, this moment will have passed. And while there's no bad time to do the right thing, to do the right thing at the same time as others in your industry will work so much better than waiting until someone else has shown the way.

In this moment there is finally the real chance to unite our nation in our shared rejection of sexism, homophobia, and racism. This is your chance to stand up for America's values and make January a tent pole in your company's history. Opportunities to do the right thing at the time when doing the right thing makes all the difference come once in a lifetime. Make your history proud.

Thanks for reading,

Penzeys Spices

[jmcquown]

On 12/3/2016 1:01 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
>
> Letter to America's CEOs
> Dear CEO,
>
> Please give us a moment to share something we hope you will find very valuable.
>

(snipped)

> Penzeys Spices
>
Seems to me they did this same thing a few years ago. Sorry, Penzey's.
How about you stick to selling herbs and spices?

Aside: If you've never stepped inside a Penzey's store... the scent is
fantasic. :)

Jill

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 12/3/2016 1:09 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/3/2016 1:01 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
>>
>> Letter to America's CEOs
>> Dear CEO,
>>
>> Please give us a moment to share something we hope you will find very
>> valuable.
>>
> (snipped)
>
>> Penzeys Spices
>>
> Seems to me they did this same thing a few years ago. Sorry, Penzey's.
> How about you stick to selling herbs and spices?

I wonder if they sell to Kellogs? Taking a strong stance on anything
political has to piss off lot of customers.

>
> Aside: If you've never stepped inside a Penzey's store... the scent is
> fantasic. :)
>
> Jill

Our closest is 50 miles but we do stop when in the area.

[Jeßus]

On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 13:49:43 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:

>On 12/3/2016 1:09 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 12/3/2016 1:01 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
>>>
>>> Letter to America's CEOs
>>> Dear CEO,
>>>
>>> Please give us a moment to share something we hope you will find very
>>> valuable.
>>>
>> (snipped)
>>
>>> Penzeys Spices
>>>
>> Seems to me they did this same thing a few years ago. Sorry, Penzey's.
>> How about you stick to selling herbs and spices?
>
>I wonder if they sell to Kellogs? Taking a strong stance on anything
>political has to piss off lot of customers.

A lot of companies have done this kind of thing in recent years. IMO,
in many cases I think its more a calculated marketing ploy rather than
any sort of standing up for principles or ethics.

[Sqwertz]

On 12/3/2016 11:01 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
> Opportunities to do the right thing at the time when doing the right thing makes all the difference come once in
> a lifetime. Make your history proud.
>
> Thanks for reading,
>
> Penzeys Spices

Blow chunks of fascism, you rotten Demotarded un_American bastards!

[cshenk]

ImStillMags wrote in rec.food.cooking:

We stopped using Pensey's after the 3rd email that said we were racists
if we didnt vote their way. Our group has 5 people and regardless of
how they voted (and we varied), they were all offended by those initial
emails. This one stops shy of calling all Americans who voted a way he
didnt like, a racist.

My dollars are going another direction now.

--

[Sqwertz]

Oooo rah!

[gtr]

On 2016-12-03 21:34:38 +0000, cshenk said:

> We stopped using Pensey's after the 3rd email that said we were racists
> if we didnt vote their way.

Do you have a quote to support that? Haven't followed it much but
Penzey's seems to be about condemning a racist candidate, not calling
people racist if they voted for him. In fact they said "In your
defense, most of you did so without thinking of the consequences of
your candidate’s racism."

> Our group has 5 people and regardless of
> how they voted (and we varied), they were all offended by those initial
> emails. This one stops shy of calling all Americans who voted a way he
> didnt like, a racist.

Maybe all 3 of their email's "stopped short" of this too?

> My dollars are going another direction now.

So it doesn't seem like it was a simple cynical marketing ploy as
someone says upstream. I guess Pensey's CEO/board just want to express
their corporate ideology. Like Hobby Lobby, a corporation, wanted to
express their religious and/or birth control viewpoint.

It's great that corporations are free to state their views, and
customers are free to punish them for it. It's the American way! I
wish more would as it would help me in all my consumer decisions.

[Sqwertz]

On 12/3/2016 5:13 PM, gtr wrote:
> Penzey's seems to be about condemning a racist candidate, not calling
> people racist if they voted for him. In fact they said "In your defense,
> most of you did so without thinking of the consequences of your
> candidate’s racism."

Who The FUCK appointed them judge and jury to determine anyone's alleged
"racism"?

FUCk them, and FUCK Kellogs too!

[Taxed and Spent]

On 12/3/2016 4:13 PM, gtr wrote:
> On 2016-12-03 21:34:38 +0000, cshenk said:
>
>> We stopped using Pensey's after the 3rd email that said we were racists
>> if we didnt vote their way.
>
> Do you have a quote to support that? Haven't followed it much but
> Penzey's seems to be about condemning a racist candidate, not calling
> people racist if they voted for him. In fact they said "In your defense,
> most of you did so without thinking of the consequences of your
> candidate’s racism."
>
>> Our group has 5 people and regardless of
>> how they voted (and we varied), they were all offended by those initial
>> emails. This one stops shy of calling all Americans who voted a way he
>> didnt like, a racist.
>
> Maybe all 3 of their email's "stopped short" of this too?
>
>> My dollars are going another direction now.
>
> So it doesn't seem like it was a simple cynical marketing ploy as
> someone says upstream. I guess Pensey's CEO/board just want to express
> their corporate ideology. Like Hobby Lobby, a corporation, wanted to
> express their religious and/or birth control viewpoint.

I don't recall Hobby Lobby sending out letters to the masses. They just
wanted to run their business and the Gov't kept sticking their noses
into their religious matters.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 12/3/2016 7:13 PM, gtr wrote:
> On 2016-12-03 21:34:38 +0000, cshenk said:
>
>> We stopped using Pensey's after the 3rd email that said we were racists
>> if we didnt vote their way.
>
> Do you have a quote to support that? Haven't followed it much but
> Penzey's seems to be about condemning a racist candidate, not calling
> people racist if they voted for him. In fact they said "In your defense,
> most of you did so without thinking of the consequences of your
> candidate’s racism."
>

So he implied they are stupid? Thoughtless?

[cshenk]

gtr wrote in rec.food.cooking:

The intent was clear and offended my little group of 5 so we are
shopping elsewhere. Thats is all tht matters,

--

[gtr]

Precisely my conclusion. Everybody gets their own freedom of speech,
and everybody gets to "do their chopping elsewhere". Freedom!

[gtr]

Prior to this, corporations didn't have a religion so it was historic
when their notices were unstuck.

Also, Hobby Lobby doesn't sell spices. There are actually myriad
differences, not including the one I pointed out.

[Nancy Young]

On 12/3/2016 9:37 PM, gtr wrote:
>
> Precisely my conclusion. Everybody gets their own freedom of speech,
> and everybody gets to "do their chopping elsewhere". Freedom!

Or freedom to put in an order for everyone on my list.

nancy

[U.S. Janet B.]

that's an excellent plan.
Janet US

[Cindy Hamilton]

Or freedom to ignore the whole thing, and their weepy editorials
about cooking = love. Sure, sometimes it is. Sometimes it's
just cooking.

Cindy Hamilton

[Nancy Young]

On 12/4/2016 6:56 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 10:01:03 PM UTC-5, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 12/3/2016 9:37 PM, gtr wrote:
>>>
>>> Precisely my conclusion. Everybody gets their own freedom of speech,
>>> and everybody gets to "do their chopping elsewhere". Freedom!
>>
>> Or freedom to put in an order for everyone on my list.

> Or freedom to ignore the whole thing, and their weepy editorials
> about cooking = love. Sure, sometimes it is. Sometimes it's
> just cooking.

Of course.

But in the last year I've seen enough hate to last me a lifetime,
and anyone who's willing to risk speaking up, I feel it's something
I can get behind.

nancy

[lucreti...@fl.it]

I'm with you Nancy - I barely watch the news anymore, it's so taken up
with the latest hate stuff, we're just starting on France now.

Meanwhile none of them seem to equate with the poor souls in Aleppo -
I keep thinking when a bomb lands on a building there must be many
people/children trapped who are alive but will never be rescued, they
are doomed to slowly die trapped under debris. I think we are part of
a really rotten world/society these days.

[Taxed and Spent]

not true at all.

[Taxed and Spent]

I read the letter as cooking = I hate YOU.

[Sqwertz]

On 12/3/2016 11:24 PM, Sqwertz wrote:

> On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:01:15 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags wrote:
>
>> we have lost 3% of our customers because of the so-called "right wing
>> firestorm." And, yes, they send emails of rage, and ALL CAPS, and
>> bad language with the hope of creating the perception that they are
>> bigger than they really are. But what we learned is that, in terms
>> of retail spending, Donald Trump simply has no one supporting his
>> views for America. He has no constituency.
>

> I sent Bill Penzey one of those "emails of rage, and bad language with

> the hope of creating the perception that they are bigger than they
> really are."
>

> That was 4.5 years ago even before Trump and Hillary were on the
> scene. Bill Penzy is a shit-stirring bastard that promotes hate with
> every newsletter/email he distributes. He's constantly trying to draw
> a line between us and them and using his gullible spice customers and
> vendors to back up his piddly statements.
>
> I get my spices at Central Market.
>
> -sw
>
> -sw
>

+1!!!!

[Nunya Bidnits]

On 12/4/2016 6:09 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 12/4/2016 6:56 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 10:01:03 PM UTC-5, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 12/3/2016 9:37 PM, gtr wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Precisely my conclusion. Everybody gets their own freedom of speech,
>>>> and everybody gets to "do their chopping elsewhere". Freedom!
>>>
>>> Or freedom to put in an order for everyone on my list.
>
>> Or freedom to ignore the whole thing, and their weepy editorials
>> about cooking = love. Sure, sometimes it is. Sometimes it's
>> just cooking.
>
> Of course.
>
> But in the last year I've seen enough hate to last me a lifetime,

Yes, DemoTards are purely emotionally driven HATERS, period.

> and anyone who's willing to risk speaking up, I feel it's something
> I can get behind.
>
> nancy

Join the Soros-paid rioters in Portland then.

[Sqwertz]

On 12/4/2016 7:01 AM, lucreti...@fl.it wrote:
>> But in the last year I've seen enough hate to last me a lifetime,
>> and anyone who's willing to risk speaking up, I feel it's something
>> I can get behind.
>>
>> nancy
> I'm with you Nancy - I barely watch the news anymore, it's so taken up
> with the latest hate stuff, we're just starting on France now.

No we're NOT!

It's the fucking Muzzies who've ruined that nation:

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/gunned-down-in-muslim-ghetto-marseille-madman-armed-with-a-kalashnikov-shots-three-people-dead/

> Meanwhile none of them seem to equate with the poor souls in Aleppo -
> I keep thinking when a bomb lands on a building there must be many
> people/children trapped who are alive but will never be rescued, they
> are doomed to slowly die trapped under debris. I think we are part of
> a really rotten world/society these days.

Yes, radical ISLIME is ruining their own nests and then taking their
exploding asses to Yurop and destroying it too.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 08:09:38 -0500, Nancy Young
<rjynlyo...@verizon.net> wrote:

thank you for speaking up, Nancy.

[Nancy Young]

> thank you for speaking up, Nancy.

And thanks for saying that.

nancy

[Taxed and Spent]

The last year? What about the last EIGHT years?

[Gary]

I think I'm with you there. If a company sells a good product at a good
price, I don't care about their politics or employee practices. Walmart
is no more restrictive about employees than most retailers. Odd that
Pensey's would even officially promote anything other than their
products.

[Nunya Bidnits]

On 12/4/2016 9:45 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> But in the last year I've seen enough hate to last me a lifetime,
>> and anyone who's willing to risk speaking up, I feel it's something
>> I can get behind.
>>
>> nancy
> thank you for speaking up, Nancy

Hate speech goes far among libitards.

[Sqwertz]

On 12/4/2016 9:47 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> But in the last year I've seen enough hate to last me a lifetime,
>>> and anyone who's willing to risk speaking up, I feel it's something
>>> I can get behind.
>
>> thank you for speaking up, Nancy.
>
> And thanks for saying that.
>
> nancy

Hate, hate, hate!!!!

[cshenk]

Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:

True. Anyways, we settled on 'Savory Spice' as our new spice place.
EXCELLENT customer service even if we haven't made our first order yet.
The others here refuse to use Penseys anymore (and yes, we split from
Clinton, to Trump, to the green party among us).

So I narrowed searches to 2 sites (the other was American Spice) and
this one had all but one item we needed, and when asked said they have
it but have to call in that portion of the order as it's a special that
they use internally for making their Fajita seasoning, but took off the
list as it's a slow seller. District Manager emailed me to tell me how
to get it. How cool is that?

Anyways, I have no problem with a company having a position. They will
in turn have to respect that I can vote with my feet anytime I want.

--

[Nancy Young]

On 12/4/2016 9:01 AM, lucreti...@fl.it wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 08:09:38 -0500, Nancy Young
> <rjynlyo...@verizon.net> wrote:

>> But in the last year I've seen enough hate to last me a lifetime,
>> and anyone who's willing to risk speaking up, I feel it's something
>> I can get behind.

> I'm with you Nancy - I barely watch the news anymore, it's so taken up

> with the latest hate stuff, we're just starting on France now. jj

I've found that's the best policy. A glance at the headlines and
for the most part, you're not missing anything.

nancy

[cshenk]

Sqwertz wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Grin, if the local store (assume Central Market is a local one) doesn't
have all you are looking for, we found 2 very suitable sites. Savory
Spice won hands down on the customer support but American Spice was not
bad (both are USA companies if that matters to you). I reviewed a lot
of others but they were either quite limited in items, had bad web
pages where you couldnt tell what they had, or were far higher in
prices than local stores.



--

[Sqwertz]

On 12/4/2016 11:06 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> I'm with you Nancy - I barely watch the news anymore, it's so taken up
>> with the latest hate stuff, we're just starting on France now. jj
>
> I've found that's the best policy. A glance at the headlines and
> for the most part, you're not missing anything.
>
> nancy

This handily explains your under-educated and complicit adherence to
rancid libitardia and the misleading headlines the media uses to
disguise the few facts they deign to disseminate in their daily
thought/speak drivel.

Thinking for yourself is tough, it requires...well...THOUGHT!

I can see where that is past your capacities by a long distance.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 12/4/2016 1:17 PM, cshenk wrote:

>
> Grin, if the local store (assume Central Market is a local one) doesn't
> have all you are looking for, we found 2 very suitable sites. Savory
> Spice won hands down on the customer support but American Spice was not
> bad (both are USA companies if that matters to you).

Don't think it matters much if it is an American company. I don't think
they are sourcing everything from US spice growers.

We just bought from www.savoryspiceshop.com for the first time. I was
looking for tomato powder and they had it. They seem to be an OK
outfit. First order came promptly.

[Bruce]

In article <d5884c97gsivdb92r...@4ax.com>,
lucreti...@fl.it says...

>
> On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 08:09:38 -0500, Nancy Young
> <rjynlyo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >But in the last year I've seen enough hate to last me a lifetime,
> >and anyone who's willing to risk speaking up, I feel it's something
> >I can get behind.
> >

> I'm with you Nancy - I barely watch the news anymore, it's so taken up
> with the latest hate stuff, we're just starting on France now.
>
> Meanwhile none of them seem to equate with the poor souls in Aleppo -
> I keep thinking when a bomb lands on a building there must be many
> people/children trapped who are alive but will never be rescued, they
> are doomed to slowly die trapped under debris. I think we are part of
> a really rotten world/society these days.

These types of things were always happening. We just hear and see more
about them. Be happy you didn't get as much information about the
Vietnam war, back in the day. Or take Hiroshima/Nagasaki.

I think the world's no more rotten than it used to be.

[Sqwertz]

On 12/4/2016 12:04 PM, Bruce wrote:
> I think the world's no more rotten than it used to be.

Nuh uh...it now has YOU in it!

[cshenk]

Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Cool on the order and yes, the spices come from all over so as said 'of
it matters to you they are USA'. For me, on this one it matters only
that a few folks here are able to get cheaper in country shippage *if*
in the USA.

Meantime, kitchen smells terrific! Making a tomato sauce. Going to
make a mess of the oven again but oh well!

Carol

--

[sf]

On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 16:13:09 -0800, gtr <x...@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> So it doesn't seem like it was a simple cynical marketing ploy as
> someone says upstream. I guess Pensey's CEO/board just want to express
> their corporate ideology. Like Hobby Lobby, a corporation, wanted to
> express their religious and/or birth control viewpoint.
>

> It's great that corporations are free to state their views, and
> customers are free to punish them for it. It's the American way! I
> wish more would as it would help me in all my consumer decisions.

If Right Wing corporations are people too, then so are those with
Progressive views. Penzy's obviously isn't very disturbed about
losing 3% of their customers, because they probably gained as many or
more by taking a stand.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

[Jeßus]

On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 06:04:09 +1100, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>These types of things were always happening. We just hear and see more
>about them. Be happy you didn't get as much information about the
>Vietnam war, back in the day. Or take Hiroshima/Nagasaki.
>
>I think the world's no more rotten than it used to be.

That's true.

[Sqwertz]

On 12/4/2016 12:30 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 16:13:09 -0800, gtr <x...@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>
>> So it doesn't seem like it was a simple cynical marketing ploy as
>> someone says upstream. I guess Pensey's CEO/board just want to express
>> their corporate ideology. Like Hobby Lobby, a corporation, wanted to
>> express their religious and/or birth control viewpoint.
>>
>> It's great that corporations are free to state their views, and
>> customers are free to punish them for it. It's the American way! I
>> wish more would as it would help me in all my consumer decisions.
>
> If Right Wing corporations are people too, then so are those with
> Progressive views. Penzy's obviously isn't very disturbed about
> losing 3% of their customers, because they probably gained as many or
> more by taking a stand.
>
>

They're typical libitarded fascists who represent all too well the
intolerant left.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 06:04:09 +1100, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

If that's correct then we are guilty of not correcting it!

[graham]

Your statement is hateful itself!

[Bruce]

In article <2016120316130949249-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr says...

>
> It's great that corporations are free to state their views, and
> customers are free to punish them for it. It's the American way!

Right, it doesn't happen anywhere else :)

[Bruce]

In article <tut84c5j4gh6d33rk...@4ax.com>,
lucreti...@fl.it says...

What can we do about Russia/Assad bombing schools and hospitals?

[dsi1]

On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 8:01:18 AM UTC-10, ImStillMags wrote:
> Letter to America's CEOs
> Dear CEO,
>
> Please give us a moment to share something we hope you will find very valuable.
>
> Our customers come from all walks of life. The kindness of cooks knows no borders or divides. In the aftermath of the election, seeing the intentional damage inflicted on so many outside the white heterosexual male world, we raised our voice. We felt we had to. We did this because we are Penzeys. The Spice business is so intertwined with history that it's not really possible to have one without the other. It became clear to us that we are now in a moment history will long have its eyes upon. For the sake of our customers, and for the sake of future generations, we felt the time had come to stand on the right side of history.
>
> And while the reasons for why we took a stand might be specific to our unique outlook, what we learned actually applies to all commerce in the United States. What we learned is that President-elect Donald Trump has no real support. Voters, sure, but no constituency. Running a campaign on "that horrible-terrible-woman who should be locked up," while at the same time working to raise fear of minorities among white voters with limited access to education, clearly achieved its goal. But none of it left Americans with any sense of connection to the candidate they actually voted for.
>
> Willing to take a hit for what is right, we did what we did. In the two weeks since, online sales are up 59.9%, gift box sales up 135%. And we didn't have a catalog arrive in this window this year, while last year we had 1.1 million! Yes, maybe for the moment we have lost 3% of our customers because of the so-called "right wing firestorm." And, yes, they send emails of rage, and ALL CAPS, and bad language with the hope of creating the perception that they are bigger than they really are. But what we learned is that, in terms of retail spending, Donald Trump simply has no one supporting his views for America. He has no constituency.
>
> America's Values, on the other hand, have a really sizable constituency, and that constituency moves quickly to support those that stand up for the values of America. If, as a company, you have values, now is the time to share them. You may well lose a chunk of your AM radio-listening customers, but if you really are honest and sincere, don't be surprised to see your promotions suddenly, finally, find active engagement with the Millennial generation.
>
> And the time for this really is now. We understand all too well that, with the holidays, December is a tough month to get things done. We understand that a change in direction will not be easy, but you are where you are because you don't need things to be easy. If you wait until after the wheels come off the track for the incoming administration, this moment will have passed. And while there's no bad time to do the right thing, to do the right thing at the same time as others in your industry will work so much better than waiting until someone else has shown the way.
>
> In this moment there is finally the real chance to unite our nation in our shared rejection of sexism, homophobia, and racism. This is your chance to stand up for America's values and make January a tent pole in your company's history. Opportunities to do the right thing at the time when doing the right thing makes all the difference come once in a lifetime. Make your history proud.
>
> Thanks for reading,
>
> Penzeys Spices

The world is entering into a dark phase. Everything is going as we have planned.

[sockmo...@comcast.net]

Looks like I'll be sending in a few Christmas gift orders to Penzey's.

Denise in NH

[Jeßus]

On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 07:10:38 +1100, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Funny how they have to continually make such statements when it's a
given in any other 'democracy' :)

[Bruce]

In article <g5094chrvhu0r9cqd...@j.net>, Jeßus says...

Exactly :)

[Brooklyn1]

Do they have a catalog... I didn't see anywhere at their site to order
one.

[Nunya Bidnits]

Not really no, it's simply a reality objectively noted.

[Nunya Bidnits]

On 12/4/2016 1:40 PM, sockmo...@comcast.net wrote:
> Looks like I'll be sending in a few Christmas gift orders to Penzey's.
>
> Denise in NH
>

More hateful Libs on parade...

[Sqwertz]

On 12/4/2016 1:20 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>> And the time for this really is now. We understand all too well that, with the holidays, December is a tough month to get things done. We understand that a change in direction will not be easy, but you are where you are because you don't need things to be easy. If you wait until after the wheels come off the track for the incoming administration, this moment will have passed. And while there's no bad time to do the right thing, to do the right thing at the same time as others in your industry will work so much better than waiting until someone else has shown the way.
>>
>> In this moment there is finally the real chance to unite our nation in our shared rejection of sexism, homophobia, and racism. This is your chance to stand up for America's values and make January a tent pole in your company's history. Opportunities to do the right thing at the time when doing the right thing makes all the difference come once in a lifetime. Make your history proud.
>>
>> Thanks for reading,
>>
>> Penzeys Spices
>
> The world is entering into a dark phase. Everything is going as we have planned.
>

Phew!!!

That's just deeply cynical for sure, and perhaps all too true given how
TV is used to program us all.

Have you been in advertising long?

;-)

[Sqwertz]

On 12/4/2016 1:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
> What can we do about Russia/Assad bombing schools and hospitals?

You???

An Auztard???

It is to LAUGH!

...send him some meat pies and beg, bitch.

[Sqwertz]

On 12/4/2016 1:09 PM, lucreti...@fl.it wrote:
>> I think the world's no more rotten than it used to be.
> If that's correct then we are guilty of not correcting it!

You have consciously made it WORSE, what would David say?

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 07:12:49 +1100, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>

Send a bomber over to bomb the palace, true it would kill his wife and
kids but how much did he care about other peoples kids.

[dsi1]

My advertising chops stink. I need other people handling that part - that's the truth!

[Sqwertz]

On 12/4/2016 2:31 PM, lucreti...@fl.it wrote:
>> What can we do about Russia/Assad bombing schools and hospitals?
> Send a bomber over to bomb the palace, true it would kill his wife and
> kids but how much did he care about other peoples kids.

Bloodthirsty Lucrezia likes her killing done by proxy, the cowardly
canuck cunt!

[Nancy Young]

On 12/4/2016 3:10 PM, graham wrote:
> On 12/4/2016 10:29 AM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>> On 12/4/2016 9:45 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>> But in the last year I've seen enough hate to last me a lifetime,
>>>> and anyone who's willing to risk speaking up, I feel it's something
>>>> I can get behind.

>>> thank you for speaking up, Nancy
>>
>> Hate speech goes far among libitards.
>
> Your statement is hateful itself!

You're getting the picture.

nancy

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 12/4/2016 4:03 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

>>
>> We just bought from www.savoryspiceshop.com for the first time. I was
>> looking for tomato powder and they had it. They seem to be an OK
>> outfit. First order came promptly.
>
> Do they have a catalog... I didn't see anywhere at their site to order
> one.
>

Didn't see one. There was none in the box when the order was delivered.

[Sqwertz]

Says the leftarded HATER...

[Sqwertz]

On 12/4/2016 2:36 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> The world is entering into a dark phase. Everything is going as we have planned.
>>>
>> Phew!!!
>>
>> That's just deeply cynical for sure, and perhaps all too true given how
>> TV is used to program us all.
>>
>> Have you been in advertising long?
>>
>> ;-)
> My advertising chops stink. I need other people handling that part - that's the truth!

AIDA baby!

Go with what has always worked:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDA_(marketing)

AIDA is an acronym used in marketing and advertising that describes a
common list of events that may occur when a consumer engages with an
advertisement.

A – attention (awareness): attract the attention of the customer.
I – Interest the customer.
D – desire benefit: convince customers that they want and desire the
product or service and that it will satisfy their needs.
A – action: lead customers towards taking action and/or purchasing.

[Bruce]

In article <oo294cdiu2ht83r8p...@4ax.com>,

lucreti...@fl.it says...
>
> On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 07:12:49 +1100, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <tut84c5j4gh6d33rk...@4ax.com>,
> >lucreti...@fl.it says...
> >>
> >> On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 06:04:09 +1100, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <d5884c97gsivdb92r...@4ax.com>,
> >> >lucreti...@fl.it says...
> >> >>

> >> >These types of things were always happening. We just hear and see
> >> >more
> >> >about them. Be happy you didn't get as much information about the
> >> >Vietnam war, back in the day. Or take Hiroshima/Nagasaki.
> >> >
> >> >I think the world's no more rotten than it used to be.
> >>
> >> If that's correct then we are guilty of not correcting it!
> >
> >What can we do about Russia/Assad bombing schools and hospitals?
>
> Send a bomber over to bomb the palace, true it would kill his wife and
> kids but how much did he care about other peoples kids.

He'd sure deserve it.

[cshenk]

Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

They don't. It's all online there.

--

[dsi1]

That's very good advice. I'm working mostly in my interpersonal communication skills these days. It seems that I have a knack for it and I've started working with people that are wonderfully adept at this. They are just awesome to watch and I'm learning!

[Sqwertz]

On 12/4/2016 3:20 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 12:13:04 PM UTC-10, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On 12/4/2016 2:36 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> The world is entering into a dark phase. Everything is going as we have planned.
>>>>>
>>>> Phew!!!
>>>>
>>>> That's just deeply cynical for sure, and perhaps all too true given how
>>>> TV is used to program us all.
>>>>
>>>> Have you been in advertising long?
>>>>
>>>> ;-)
>>> My advertising chops stink. I need other people handling that part - that's the truth!
>>
>> AIDA baby!
>>
>> Go with what has always worked:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDA_(marketing)
>>
>> AIDA is an acronym used in marketing and advertising that describes a
>> common list of events that may occur when a consumer engages with an
>> advertisement.
>>
>> A – attention (awareness): attract the attention of the customer.
>> I – Interest the customer.
>> D – desire benefit: convince customers that they want and desire the
>> product or service and that it will satisfy their needs.
>> A – action: lead customers towards taking action and/or purchasing.
>
> That's very good advice.

Glad if it helps out.

> I'm working mostly in my interpersonal communication skills these days. It seems that I have a knack for it
> and I've started working with people that are wonderfully adept at this. They are just awesome to watch and
> I'm learning!

Based on what I read from you here you must be a quick study!

[dsi1]

The thing that is most queer is that I have transformed myself from a geeky technician to a people-type person. My dad is one of those guys that could get people to work with him and they show him great respect. It never occurred to me that I could ever be like him but that's the way it's turning out. Odd bodkins for sure! Now, if I could just tell a story like him, that would be just perfect. :)

[Sqwertz]

That's nifty, but it requires age as a prerequisite I think.

> My dad is one of those guys that could get people to work with him and they show him great respect.

Guys like that are the glue of our nation.

> It never occurred to me that I could ever be like him but that's the way it's turning out.

Apple/tree/etc...

> Odd bodkins for sure! Now, if I could just tell a story like him, that would be just perfect. :)

There's an art form for sure, the balance of when to release the facts
and how long to hold the punch line.

Anyhow, you're far too nice for this room...

Or maybe this has been your persona-sharpening whetstone?

[Dave Smith]

On 2016-12-04 3:09 PM, lucreti...@fl.it wrote:

>> These types of things were always happening. We just hear and see more
>> about them. Be happy you didn't get as much information about the
>> Vietnam war, back in the day. Or take Hiroshima/Nagasaki.
>>
>> I think the world's no more rotten than it used to be.
>
> If that's correct then we are guilty of not correcting it!

We cannot correct the wrongs of the past that we done by previous
generations. Nor should we be expected to pay for those wrongs after we
have changed our ethos. I refuse to feel guilty for nuclear attacks on
Japan that we the decisions of my grandparent's generation. By the same
token, I do not hold the Japanese of today responsible for the
atrocities committed by their parents, grandparents and great grandparents.

[Dave Smith]

On 2016-12-04 3:47 PM, Je�us wrote:

>> Right, it doesn't happen anywhere else :)
>
> Funny how they have to continually make such statements when it's a
> given in any other 'democracy' :)

Celebrities and companies are well advised to keep their religion and
their politics to themselves. They may feel a need to express themselves
or to lend support to a cause, but they need to be aware of the fact
that, while their views may appeal to a segment of society with which
they like to identify, they would raise the ire of a much larger number
of people.

[Dave Smith]

On 2016-12-04 4:31 PM, lucreti...@fl.it wrote:

>> What can we do about Russia/Assad bombing schools and hospitals?
>
> Send a bomber over to bomb the palace, true it would kill his wife and
> kids but how much did he care about other peoples kids.
>

How much do we know about the people and the culture over there that we
can be sure that Assad is such an evil bastard. There are a lot of
Islamists fighting against the government forces. We were all led to
believe that Saddam Hussein was evil incarnate and that deposing him
would open worlds of opportunity for the Iraqi people. The power vacuum
that resulted from his ouster opened up a can of worms. Perhaps we
should be giving him credit for keeping Islamic extremists under control.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 09:14:18 +1100, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>

Yes. The only time I had much respect for the EU was about a year ago
when they banned any parcels mailed to Asma al Hassad from the big
designer houses. Such a Marie Antoinette!

[Bruce]

In article <FS11A.57096$4D2....@fx25.iad>, Dave Smith says...

I agree, but you can ask the younger generations to acknowledge the
wrongs committed by the previous generations.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

How very convenient for you! How very racist too!

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 11:12:00 +1100, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Even my uncle who did nearly six years in a Nagasaki coal mine after
his ship was sunk felt the nuclear bombs were too much.

[Taxed and Spent]

I would not be alive today if not for those nukes. Neither would
countless Japanese.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

Do you think that because that's what 'they said' ?

[Bruce]

In article <r1d94ct8d6t9kr59c...@4ax.com>,
lucreti...@fl.it says...

I think it's the worst crime in the western world after the Holocaust.

[Dave Smith]

On 2016-12-04 7:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
> In article <FS11A.57096$4D2....@fx25.iad>, Dave Smith says...

>> We cannot correct the wrongs of the past that we done by previous
>> generations. Nor should we be expected to pay for those wrongs after we
>> have changed our ethos. I refuse to feel guilty for nuclear attacks on
>> Japan that we the decisions of my grandparent's generation. By the same
>> token, I do not hold the Japanese of today responsible for the
>> atrocities committed by their parents, grandparents and great grandparents.
>
> I agree, but you can ask the younger generations to acknowledge the
> wrongs committed by the previous generations.
>

Sure, but it is a two way street.
I keep hearing about how we have to atone for 500 years of slavery. My
family never had slaves. Our native people had slaves. The reason
Americans (British at the time) had black slaves was that they could buy
them so much cheaper from Africans than they could get get white
indentured slaves. Slavery was never an institution here in Canada. Our
growing black population are mostly from the Caribbean. Sure, their
ancestors may have been slaves there, but not here.

Okay. Their ancestors where slaves owned by white people somewhere else.
Not here. I am not responsible for it and I owe them nothing. I have
no reason to have to accommodate them for something that happened to
their ancestors somewhere else just because I am white.

[Dave Smith]

On 2016-12-04 7:27 PM, lucreti...@fl.it wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 11:12:00 +1100, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
>

>> I agree, but you can ask the younger generations to acknowledge the
>> wrongs committed by the previous generations.
>
> Even my uncle who did nearly six years in a Nagasaki coal mine after
> his ship was sunk felt the nuclear bombs were too much.
>

He was captured even before the war started?

[Bruce]

In article <u131A.82595$WD2....@fx35.iad>, Dave Smith says...

But I'm not saying you or I have to atone for slavery. We have nothing
to do with it, regardless of what our (distant) ancestors did or didn't
do.

[Taxed and Spent]

no. I have studied this matter.

[sf]

On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 12:57:22 -0700, Sqwertz <sqw...@clumail.compost>
wrote:

> On 12/4/2016 12:30 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 16:13:09 -0800, gtr <x...@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> >
> >> So it doesn't seem like it was a simple cynical marketing ploy as
> >> someone says upstream. I guess Pensey's CEO/board just want to express
> >> their corporate ideology. Like Hobby Lobby, a corporation, wanted to
> >> express their religious and/or birth control viewpoint.
> >>
> >> It's great that corporations are free to state their views, and
> >> customers are free to punish them for it. It's the American way! I
> >> wish more would as it would help me in all my consumer decisions.
> >
> > If Right Wing corporations are people too, then so are those with
> > Progressive views. Penzy's obviously isn't very disturbed about
> > losing 3% of their customers, because they probably gained as many or
> > more by taking a stand.
> >
> >
>
> They're typical libitarded fascists who represent all too well the
> intolerant left.

You can rest in peace for the next 2 years. One of these days
"libtards" will learn to play hardball and start kicking some
conservative ass. :)


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

[Cindy Hamilton]

I believe the actions of the Khmer Rouge have it beaten.

Cindy Hamilton

[lucreti...@fl.it]

My math is wrong - this was his ship

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/indonesia/1975561/Wartime-naval-legend-HMS-Exeter-found-off-Java.html

When picked up he was taken to Nagasaki. He did not get back to
England until 1947, they were put on a ship to Vancouver, on a train
across Canada and then they fetched up here near Truro. When visiting
me here we went to see where he had been and he said they came to the
conclusion that they were being kept until they fattened up a bit
before they sent them home. So there was a bit of a riot and very
quickly a ship from Halifax to Southampton was found for them!

I think to survive things like that you need a certain personality, he
was a very laissez faire type as was another uncle imprisoned in
Korea, type A personalities would not do well.

[Taxed and Spent]

Hard to beat Joe Stalin.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

True but he mostly killed his own. I read his daughters book recently
and she confessed she suddenly made a connection in her teens that any
relatives or friends who crossed him just 'disappeared' - as well as
millions of strangers.

[Taxed and Spent]

Killing your own is somehow better than killing an enemy?

[lucreti...@fl.it]

On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 08:19:21 -0800, Taxed and Spent

Not at all, but it does mean the rising must come from within, which
it eventually did.

[Bruce]

In article <1854a516-65b4-4c17...@googlegroups.com>,
Cindy Hamilton says...

>
> On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 7:53:11 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > In article <r1d94ct8d6t9kr59c...@4ax.com>,
> > lucreti...@fl.it says...
> > >
> > > On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 11:12:00 +1100, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >In article <FS11A.57096$4D2....@fx25.iad>, Dave Smith says...
> > > >>

> > > >> We cannot correct the wrongs of the past that we done by
> > > >> previous
> > > >> generations. Nor should we be expected to pay for those wrongs after we
> > > >> have changed our ethos. I refuse to feel guilty for nuclear attacks on
> > > >> Japan that we the decisions of my grandparent's generation. By the same
> > > >> token, I do not hold the Japanese of today responsible for the
> > > >> atrocities committed by their parents, grandparents and great grandparents.
> > > >
> > > >I agree, but you can ask the younger generations to acknowledge the
> > > >wrongs committed by the previous generations.
> > >
> > > Even my uncle who did nearly six years in a Nagasaki coal mine after
> > > his ship was sunk felt the nuclear bombs were too much.
> >
> > I think it's the worst crime in the western world after the Holocaust.
>
> I believe the actions of the Khmer Rouge have it beaten.

Yes, but that's not the western world.

[Jeßus]

They do, but he did specify the western world.

[Jeßus]

On Mon, 05 Dec 2016 11:37:53 -0400, lucreti...@fl.it wrote:

>On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 05:48:16 -0800, Taxed and Spent
><nospam...@nonospam.com> wrote:
>
>>On 12/5/2016 3:15 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 7:53:11 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>> In article <r1d94ct8d6t9kr59c...@4ax.com>,
>>>> lucreti...@fl.it says...

>>>> I think it's the worst crime in the western world after the Holocaust.
>>>
>>> I believe the actions of the Khmer Rouge have it beaten.
>>>
>>

>>Hard to beat Joe Stalin.
>
>True but he mostly killed his own.

So did the Khmer Rouge. And killing their own makes it worse, I would
have thought.

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 18:53:06 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

I would assume they're aware of that (or at least partially aware of
it, I'm thinking more about celebrities here), but some do it
nonetheless. I guess some just stand up for their beliefs, and for
others its a calculated move on their part. Which may or may not
backfire on them.

[Cindy Hamilton]

True. Why should we confine ourselves to the actions of the
West?

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

In article <676723c9-2bb0-4930...@googlegroups.com>,

Only because some of those non western barbarians are out of our league
:)

[Cindy Hamilton]

People are people all over the world. They suck.

Cindy Hamilton

[Sqwertz]

On 12/4/2016 5:27 PM, lucreti...@fl.it wrote:
> Even my uncle who did nearly six years in a Nagasaki coal mine after
> his ship was sunk felt the nuclear bombs were too much.

Losing 100's of thousands of Allied lives in a ground invasion being
somehow preferable to his sorry ass?

FUCK YOU BOTH TO HELL!