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AR-15 Effective in Defending against Multiple Home Invaders
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raykeller
Apr 24, 2018, 4:46:27 PM4/24/18
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AR-15 Effective in Defending against Multiple Home Invaders
Gun Watch ^ | 25 April, 2018 | Dean Weingarten
On Sunday morning, April 15, 2018 at about 4 a.m. in Glen St. Mary, Florida,
a group of seven masked home invaders barged into a mobile home located on
County Road 125. A shot was fired by one invader. Two of the four occupants
of the home responded with armed force.
One of the residents had an AR15 style rifle. The person with the AR15 said
they fired over 30 rounds while repelling the invaders. One invader was
killed and others wounded. No resident was injured. As soon as the gunfight
stopped, the residents called 911.
Baker County deputies immediately responded, stopped a car fleeing the scene
at a high rate of speed, arrested five people, and took a 16 year old
juvenile to the hospital. None of the four residents of the mobile home were
arrested. From news4jax.com:
GLEN ST. MARY, Fla - Deputies arrested five people, two of them teens,
after a home invasion Sunday in Glen St. Mary escalated into a deadly
shootout, according to the Baker County Sheriff's Office.
The Sheriff's Office said the five were among seven masked individuals
armed with guns who barged into a mobile home on County Road 125 about 4
a.m. to confront four people staying there over a feud.
I have long maintained the AR15 or other Modern Sporting Rifles are
excellent home defense firearms. The reasons are many, and illustrated with
this case. The rifles are light, easy to use, and reliable. The cartridges
used are adequate for home defense. There are several ammunition choices
available to limit potential over-penetration. The magazine capacity is
especially valuable when confronting several attackers. The intimidation
value of an identifiable platform such as the AR15 can help prevent a
gunfight, or help to stop one quickly.
In a rural setting, such as this isolated house along a county highway, over
penetration is not much of a worry.
Investigators found a mask with a bullet hole in it and considerable blood
at the scene. Over 30 shots were fired by the defenders in the conflict.
Only one of the shots appears to have resulted in a fatality. We know at
least one shot was fired by the intruders, which did not hit any of the
residents.
People who obtain their information from television dramas often think only
one shot is needed per attacker. The reality is many shots miss, some wound,
and few are fatal. It is the reason that people who study combat and
self-defense do not put a limit on the number of shots that may be
necessary. From news4jax.com:
The victims told deputies they acted in self-defense when they turned
their guns on the intruders, with one of them estimating he fired over 30
rounds from an AR-15 before the threat was over.
Afterward, the victims retreated to another part of the home before they
dialed 911, according to the report. None of them was hurt during the
shooting.
The same cannot be said for the intruders, several of whom were inside a
vehicle deputies intercepted as it sped away from the mobile home off County
Road 125.
One of them, Corey Lauramore, died of gunshot wounds to the head. An
unidentified 16-year-old remains hospitalized, and a third suspect, William
Lauramore, was treated and released to police.
The AR15 type rifle is the most popular type of rifle in the United States.
They are seldom used in crime, because rifles, in general, are seldom used
in crime. The vast majority of homicides are committed with handguns,
because handguns are much easier to conceal and transport.
Recent use of AR15 type rifles in mass murder is cited as a reason to ban
them. But AR15 rifles were commonly available to the public since 1965.
AR-15 rifles were not used in a mass murder until 2007, and that was a
police issued rifle.
What happened to increase the use of AR15 rifles in mass murder? Very likely
it was the media coverage in the United States, where mass media create
incentives for socially marginal individuals to achieve celebrity status by
becoming a mass murderer. Since 2012, much media focus has been on the AR15,
as many in the media want to see it banned. From politifact.com:
Among other factors also worth considering is media coverage of mass
shooters, which Adam Lankford, a criminology professor at the University of
Alabama, said rewards perpetrators with fame and can lead to copycat
effects.
"Although firearms availability is the primary reason why the United
States has more public mass shooters than other countries, media coverage of
perpetrators may largely explain why the United States has seen more public
mass shooters and deadlier incidents over time," Lankford said.
The AR15 is an excellent choice for home defense. In areas with a high
population density, consideration should be given to ammunition choices that
limit over-penetration.
©2018 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice
and link are included.
Gun Watch ^ | 25 April, 2018 | Dean Weingarten
On Sunday morning, April 15, 2018 at about 4 a.m. in Glen St. Mary, Florida,
a group of seven masked home invaders barged into a mobile home located on
County Road 125. A shot was fired by one invader. Two of the four occupants
of the home responded with armed force.
One of the residents had an AR15 style rifle. The person with the AR15 said
they fired over 30 rounds while repelling the invaders. One invader was
killed and others wounded. No resident was injured. As soon as the gunfight
stopped, the residents called 911.
Baker County deputies immediately responded, stopped a car fleeing the scene
at a high rate of speed, arrested five people, and took a 16 year old
juvenile to the hospital. None of the four residents of the mobile home were
arrested. From news4jax.com:
GLEN ST. MARY, Fla - Deputies arrested five people, two of them teens,
after a home invasion Sunday in Glen St. Mary escalated into a deadly
shootout, according to the Baker County Sheriff's Office.
The Sheriff's Office said the five were among seven masked individuals
armed with guns who barged into a mobile home on County Road 125 about 4
a.m. to confront four people staying there over a feud.
I have long maintained the AR15 or other Modern Sporting Rifles are
excellent home defense firearms. The reasons are many, and illustrated with
this case. The rifles are light, easy to use, and reliable. The cartridges
used are adequate for home defense. There are several ammunition choices
available to limit potential over-penetration. The magazine capacity is
especially valuable when confronting several attackers. The intimidation
value of an identifiable platform such as the AR15 can help prevent a
gunfight, or help to stop one quickly.
In a rural setting, such as this isolated house along a county highway, over
penetration is not much of a worry.
Investigators found a mask with a bullet hole in it and considerable blood
at the scene. Over 30 shots were fired by the defenders in the conflict.
Only one of the shots appears to have resulted in a fatality. We know at
least one shot was fired by the intruders, which did not hit any of the
residents.
People who obtain their information from television dramas often think only
one shot is needed per attacker. The reality is many shots miss, some wound,
and few are fatal. It is the reason that people who study combat and
self-defense do not put a limit on the number of shots that may be
necessary. From news4jax.com:
The victims told deputies they acted in self-defense when they turned
their guns on the intruders, with one of them estimating he fired over 30
rounds from an AR-15 before the threat was over.
Afterward, the victims retreated to another part of the home before they
dialed 911, according to the report. None of them was hurt during the
shooting.
The same cannot be said for the intruders, several of whom were inside a
vehicle deputies intercepted as it sped away from the mobile home off County
Road 125.
One of them, Corey Lauramore, died of gunshot wounds to the head. An
unidentified 16-year-old remains hospitalized, and a third suspect, William
Lauramore, was treated and released to police.
The AR15 type rifle is the most popular type of rifle in the United States.
They are seldom used in crime, because rifles, in general, are seldom used
in crime. The vast majority of homicides are committed with handguns,
because handguns are much easier to conceal and transport.
Recent use of AR15 type rifles in mass murder is cited as a reason to ban
them. But AR15 rifles were commonly available to the public since 1965.
AR-15 rifles were not used in a mass murder until 2007, and that was a
police issued rifle.
What happened to increase the use of AR15 rifles in mass murder? Very likely
it was the media coverage in the United States, where mass media create
incentives for socially marginal individuals to achieve celebrity status by
becoming a mass murderer. Since 2012, much media focus has been on the AR15,
as many in the media want to see it banned. From politifact.com:
Among other factors also worth considering is media coverage of mass
shooters, which Adam Lankford, a criminology professor at the University of
Alabama, said rewards perpetrators with fame and can lead to copycat
effects.
"Although firearms availability is the primary reason why the United
States has more public mass shooters than other countries, media coverage of
perpetrators may largely explain why the United States has seen more public
mass shooters and deadlier incidents over time," Lankford said.
The AR15 is an excellent choice for home defense. In areas with a high
population density, consideration should be given to ammunition choices that
limit over-penetration.
©2018 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice
and link are included.
!Jones
Apr 24, 2018, 5:14:28 PM4/24/18
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x-no-idiots: yes
On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 13:46:38 -0700, in talk.politics.guns "raykeller"
<whiney_will_have_his_nose_in_my_ass_in_3_2_1@leftards_are_loosers.com>
wrote:
>On Sunday morning, April 15, 2018 at about 4 a.m. in Glen St. Mary, Florida,
>a group of seven masked home invaders barged into a mobile home located on
>County Road 125. A shot was fired by one invader. Two of the four occupants
>of the home responded with armed force.
The police suspect that the motive was a dispute between two rival
groups of drug dealers. The aggressor group impersonated police
officers on a drug raid. What we need are heavily armed dope dealers
so that they can protect their stash.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/30-rounds-fired-by-ar15-in-florida-home-invasion-shootout
--
Quod si non verum est, non dicere est.
On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 13:46:38 -0700, in talk.politics.guns "raykeller"
<whiney_will_have_his_nose_in_my_ass_in_3_2_1@leftards_are_loosers.com>
wrote:
>On Sunday morning, April 15, 2018 at about 4 a.m. in Glen St. Mary, Florida,
>a group of seven masked home invaders barged into a mobile home located on
>County Road 125. A shot was fired by one invader. Two of the four occupants
>of the home responded with armed force.
groups of drug dealers. The aggressor group impersonated police
officers on a drug raid. What we need are heavily armed dope dealers
so that they can protect their stash.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/30-rounds-fired-by-ar15-in-florida-home-invasion-shootout
--
Quod si non verum est, non dicere est.
PaxPerPoten
Apr 25, 2018, 12:16:14 AM4/25/18
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On 4/24/2018 4:14 PM, !Jones wrote:
> x-no-idiots: yes
>
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 13:46:38 -0700, in talk.politics.guns "raykeller"
> <whiney_will_have_his_nose_in_my_ass_in_3_2_1@leftards_are_loosers.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday morning, April 15, 2018 at about 4 a.m. in Glen St. Mary, Florida,
>> a group of seven masked home invaders barged into a mobile home located on
>> County Road 125. A shot was fired by one invader. Two of the four occupants
>> of the home responded with armed force.
>
> The police suspect that the motive was a dispute between two rival
> groups of drug dealers. The aggressor group impersonated police
> officers on a drug raid. What we need are heavily armed dope dealers
> so that they can protect their stash.
Works for me... One heavily armed Drug gang either killed or got another
> x-no-idiots: yes
>
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 13:46:38 -0700, in talk.politics.guns "raykeller"
> <whiney_will_have_his_nose_in_my_ass_in_3_2_1@leftards_are_loosers.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday morning, April 15, 2018 at about 4 a.m. in Glen St. Mary, Florida,
>> a group of seven masked home invaders barged into a mobile home located on
>> County Road 125. A shot was fired by one invader. Two of the four occupants
>> of the home responded with armed force.
>
> The police suspect that the motive was a dispute between two rival
> groups of drug dealers. The aggressor group impersonated police
> officers on a drug raid. What we need are heavily armed dope dealers
> so that they can protect their stash.
heavily armed drug gang arrested. If the cycle keeps replaying over and
over again..Odds are that only one heavily armed Drug gang will survive
and our Donut eating heavily armed law enforcement, can easily take them
out.
>
> https://www.news4jax.com/news/30-rounds-fired-by-ar15-in-florida-home-invasion-shootout
>
>
> --
> Quod si non verum est, non dicere est.
Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum
> https://www.news4jax.com/news/30-rounds-fired-by-ar15-in-florida-home-invasion-shootout
>
>
> --
> Quod si non verum est, non dicere est.
>
--
It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster
Scout
Apr 25, 2018, 1:42:35 AM4/25/18
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"!Jones" <jo...@fobahor.com> wrote in message
news:897vdddddrs6sd4fp...@4ax.com...
> x-no-idiots: yes
>
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 13:46:38 -0700, in talk.politics.guns "raykeller"
> <whiney_will_have_his_nose_in_my_ass_in_3_2_1@leftards_are_loosers.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday morning, April 15, 2018 at about 4 a.m. in Glen St. Mary,
>>Florida,
>>a group of seven masked home invaders barged into a mobile home located on
>>County Road 125. A shot was fired by one invader. Two of the four
>>occupants
>>of the home responded with armed force.
>
> The police suspect that the motive was a dispute between two rival
> groups of drug dealers.
Let it be noted that Jones' blames drugs for gun crimes.
>
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 13:46:38 -0700, in talk.politics.guns "raykeller"
> <whiney_will_have_his_nose_in_my_ass_in_3_2_1@leftards_are_loosers.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday morning, April 15, 2018 at about 4 a.m. in Glen St. Mary,
>>Florida,
>>a group of seven masked home invaders barged into a mobile home located on
>>County Road 125. A shot was fired by one invader. Two of the four
>>occupants
>>of the home responded with armed force.
>
> The police suspect that the motive was a dispute between two rival
> groups of drug dealers.
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