Shockproof? Really?

[Bob La Londe]

Every dial caliper I own (I think every one) or have owned says
shockproof right on the dial. Exactly what shock are they proof
against? Certainly not being dropped.

[Ed Huntress]

On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 18:18:39 -0700, Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99>
wrote:

>Every dial caliper I own (I think every one) or have owned says
>shockproof right on the dial. Exactly what shock are they proof
>against? Certainly not being dropped.

Finding out they're pregnant.

--
Ed Huntress

[William Bagwell]

On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 18:18:39 -0700, Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99>
wrote:

>Every dial caliper I own (I think every one) or have owned says
>shockproof right on the dial. Exactly what shock are they proof
>against? Certainly not being dropped.

My ~35 year old Mitutoyo 505-644 does not. Googling, the current
505-644-50 does and they are $175! Ouch!!
--
William

[Bob La Londe]

That might coincide with being dropped. Because when you drop one you
know a new one is coming soon. LOL.

[Red Prepper]

On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 19:34:19 -0700, Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99>

wrote:
> On 3/2/2018 6:25 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
> > On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 18:18:39 -0700, Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Every dial caliper I own (I think every one) or have owned says
> >> shockproof right on the dial. Exactly what shock are they proof
> >> against? Certainly not being dropped.
> >
> > Finding out they're pregnant.
> >


> That might coincide with being dropped. Because when you drop one
you
> know a new one is coming soon. LOL.

I think Cuntdress uses them to measure the artificial cervix he had
installed into his cunt.

[Ed Huntress]

On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 19:34:19 -0700, Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99>

wrote:

>On 3/2/2018 6:25 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
> > On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 18:18:39 -0700, Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Every dial caliper I own (I think every one) or have owned says
> >> shockproof right on the dial. Exactly what shock are they proof
> >> against? Certainly not being dropped.
> >
> > Finding out they're pregnant.
> >
>

>That might coincide with being dropped. Because when you drop one you h

>know a new one is coming soon. LOL.

You're funny on Fridays, Bob. d8-)

--
Ed Huntressh

[Larry Jaques]

On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 18:18:39 -0700, Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99>
wrote:

>Every dial caliper I own (I think every one) or have owned says
>shockproof right on the dial. Exactly what shock are they proof
>against? Certainly not being dropped.

Dial pointer jumping, maybe? Crystal integrity?

--
Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds
are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her
tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the
existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
-- Thomas Jefferson

[Bob La Londe]

I pulled my two Mitutoyo calipers out of the box and looked at them this
morning. The older metric one does not say shockproof on it, but the
new one my wife got me for my birthday in January does. Doesn't mean I
am not going to put it back in its case in the drawer every single time
I am done using it. LOL.

I think I am going to make a trip over to Harbor Freight and buy a half
dozen of their 20 dollar NTMT dial calipers to leave laying around the
shop for guessing with.

NTMT (Never The Same Measurement Twice)

[Gunner Asch]

On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 22:03:49 -0800, Larry Jaques
<lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 18:18:39 -0700, Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99>
>wrote:
>
>>Every dial caliper I own (I think every one) or have owned says
>>shockproof right on the dial. Exactly what shock are they proof
>>against? Certainly not being dropped.
>
>Dial pointer jumping, maybe? Crystal integrity?

From what the metrology guys tell me..its pointer jumping for the most
part..and having a rugged mechanism inboard. Ive seen more than a few
Chicom calipers that both jumped 0 and busted the guts..while only a
few Teslas, B&S, Mitys etc..and then after a long period of abuse.

Works the same with wrist watches btw. Assuming the shockproof isnt a
lie by the promotion department in China.

Gunner

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[Gunner Asch]

On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 10:49:37 -0700, Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99>
wrote:

Unless you get the all plastic ones..the HF calipers work just as well
as just about any "good one". They may not last 30 yrs in a busy
shop..but most makers today, foreign and domestic (any domestic makers
left?) make mics and calibers more than good enough..and accurate
enough for home shop and moderate commercial use.

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Sat, 03 Mar 2018 20:51:05 -0800
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>
>Unless you get the all plastic ones..the HF calipers work just as well
>as just about any "good one". They may not last 30 yrs in a busy
>shop..but most makers today, foreign and domestic (any domestic makers
>left?) make mics and calibers more than good enough..and accurate
>enough for home shop and moderate commercial use.

I want a dial caliper in fractions of an inch. Because I do a
lot of woodworking using inches and fractions thereof - and I haven't
memorized the drill size conversion charts.
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

[Bob La Londe]

I've noticed that. Initially atleast they all work just fine, but my 50
year old Companiom mics (cheap, but made in USA) are not very good. I
never really mention it, but my Harbor Freight and Speedway calipers
have held up just as well as my Fowlers. I don't know about the
Mitutoyos, because I am very careful with them, although my old metric
one may have been dropped once or twice before it came to me. Its got
some of that spongy accuracy like a badly treated Harbor Freight one.

My cheap Speedway mics are nearly as accurate as my ancient Starrets
after adjustment. I checked them all at atleast 3 points in their
travel with gage blocks. I also found atleast compared to the Starret
standards that my 4 inch gage block is off by almost a thousandth. LOL.

[Bob La Londe]

Harbor Freight sells one, or they used to. Their selection has been
reduced dramatically in recent years. I have one and its pretty
accurate for what it is, but for most of my wood working a tape measure
is good enough. If I start an important project I buy a new tape
measure and check it against my machinist scale at the beginning of the
project. Usually if I need something done more accurately than that I
just let one of the CNC machines cut it to dimension. I rarely use my
fractional dial caliper.

Here is a picture of the one I have:
http://tacklemaker.info/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;pic=55

I don't know why, but I tend to like dial calipers much more than
electronic digital ones. Even for my one inch mic I prefer the analog
digital to an electronic digital.

I see HF has a 12" digital though. It would have come in handy for my
current job. Its a nasty mishmash of imperial and metric dimensions. I
have a 12" Fowler inch caliper that has never been dropped, but I have
had to write conversion all over the cabinet of my mills with a dry
erase marker to keep from getting lost. LOL.

[David R. Birch]

My first dial caliper was a Starrett, because I thought it was quality.
No cover over the rack and no way to reset it when it jumped on a chip.

After that, I bought cheap ones because I found that none lasted well in
the shop environment. I'd pick up 3 at the local Enco store or Harbor
Fright, they were accurate enough and would last about 2 years, then
back for 3 more. I tried a few digital ones, but I had to pull the
battery when I'd put it away or it would be dead the next time I needed
it. Turning it off just seemed to turn off the display, not the whole unit.

Now that I'm retired, I keep finding new ones in odd places around the
house. Why did I put that there?

David

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[Gunner Asch]

You wont find a Dial caliper in fractions. You will however find a
DIGITAL caliper in fractions at...Harbor Freight.

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 11:00:03 -0700, Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99>

Ive got Starrett, Brown and Sharp and NSK mike sets up to 14"
Ive also got some mechanical digital Mities that go from 1-12"

I brokered a deal 2 weeks ago for Starretts up to 48" and pi tapes to
20 feet.

And of course..ID bar mikes to 14'

Gunner

[pyotr filipivich]

Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99> on Sun, 4 Mar 2018 11:14:34 -0700 typed
in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>

>I don't know why, but I tend to like dial calipers much more than
>electronic digital ones. Even for my one inch mic I prefer the analog
>digital to an electronic digital.

Dial calipers, like analog clocks, don't just tell you the
measurement/time - but where you are in the inch/hour.
Yes .250 is a quarter of an inch. So is .275, for some values of
"one quarter". But a fractional dial shows you that either you are
not yet down to a quarter inch, or you're "oversize".

Just as 9:50 doesn't _show_ you that you have "that much" time
till 10.

[pyotr filipivich]

Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99> on Sun, 4 Mar 2018 11:00:03 -0700 typed
in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>

>My cheap Speedway mics are nearly as accurate as my ancient Starrets
>after adjustment. I checked them all at atleast 3 points in their
>travel with gage blocks. I also found atleast compared to the Starret
>standards that my 4 inch gage block is off by almost a thousandth. LOL.

What's the old saying "2+2=5 for large values of 2 and small
values of 5"?

[Bob La Londe]

On 3/4/2018 5:16 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 07:24:09 -0800, pyotr filipivich
> <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Sat, 03 Mar 2018 20:51:05 -0800
>> typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>>
>>> Unless you get the all plastic ones..the HF calipers work just as well
>>> as just about any "good one". They may not last 30 yrs in a busy
>>> shop..but most makers today, foreign and domestic (any domestic makers
>>> left?) make mics and calibers more than good enough..and accurate
>>> enough for home shop and moderate commercial use.
>>
>> I want a dial caliper in fractions of an inch. Because I do a
>> lot of woodworking using inches and fractions thereof - and I haven't
>> memorized the drill size conversion charts.
>> --
>> pyotr filipivich
>> "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."
>
> You wont find a Dial caliper in fractions. You will however find a
> DIGITAL caliper in fractions at...Harbor Freight.
>
>

But you might find a dial caliper in fractions. I got mine at Harbor
Freight. LOL.

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Sun, 04 Mar 2018 16:16:25 -0800

typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 07:24:09 -0800, pyotr filipivich
><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Sat, 03 Mar 2018 20:51:05 -0800
>>typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>>
>>>Unless you get the all plastic ones..the HF calipers work just as well
>>>as just about any "good one". They may not last 30 yrs in a busy
>>>shop..but most makers today, foreign and domestic (any domestic makers
>>>left?) make mics and calibers more than good enough..and accurate
>>>enough for home shop and moderate commercial use.
>>
>> I want a dial caliper in fractions of an inch. Because I do a
>>lot of woodworking using inches and fractions thereof - and I haven't
>>memorized the drill size conversion charts.
>>--
>>pyotr filipivich
>>"With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."
>
>You wont find a Dial caliper in fractions. You will however find a
>DIGITAL caliper in fractions at...Harbor Freight.

Not to harsh your mellow, but

https://www.woodcraft.com/products/woodriver-fractional-dial-caliper

Dial fractional caliper $58.50 measures to 6 1/2 inches

http://www.starrett.com/metrology/product-detail/1202F-6

Starrett - so you know it is good. They like it too $110.

and in my price range: General Tool at Home Depot


<https://www.homedepot.com/p/General-Tools-6-in-4-Way-Dial-Caliper-142/100080103>

But that's in 1/64ths which is somewhere between decimal and
useful.

Of course, I haven't been by Fast Eddy's Pawn Shop and Brokerage
House to see what they got there. (You should have seen the silly
rifle they had - someone accessorized with more enthusiasm than sense.
If I've had the money, I'd have bought it, just to start hanging more
"stuff off it" - sort of like the Swiss Army Gun or
http://www.weapon-blog.com/2016/01/omg-scary-gun/.)

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 17:46:25 -0700, Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99>
wrote:

Isnt that what I just said? That you can get em at HF?

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 16:56:48 -0800, pyotr filipivich
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>>
>>You wont find a Dial caliper in fractions. You will however find a
>>DIGITAL caliper in fractions at...Harbor Freight.
>
> Not to harsh your mellow, but
>
> https://www.woodcraft.com/products/woodriver-fractional-dial-caliper
>

No shit? Cool! Ive never seen one of those before! Thanks for the
link!!

I have one of the digital fractional calipers..but not one of those.
Way cool!

Gunner

[Bob La Londe]

No. You said you could get a digital one their. I got a dial one
there. Reads in fractions. Posted a link to a picture of mine too.

[Bob La Londe]

It is not as accurate as a decimal one though. The dial turns at a
higher rate. One turn is one inch.

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 11:25:39 -0700, Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99>
wrote:

Yeah..I read that. Im simply not sure why anybody would want one. But
it is cool.

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 05 Mar 2018 11:51:38 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

On pondering it...I can see some...some... uses for this in places
that make raw materials..boards, sheets and similar stock in mills.
You can easily see how close to say..5/8" your planer is cutting.
But..you are going to have to adjust the blades in thousands, based on
the commerical planers Ive worked on. So if your .625 sheet is
actually coming out .608...you adjust the blades the proper +.017 and
get it back to what its supposed to be.

So yeah..I can see some..some uses for this. Not one Id ever have
though that I can foresee.

But..shrug...if it floats a guys boat.

[Larry Jaques]

On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 07:24:09 -0800, pyotr filipivich
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Sat, 03 Mar 2018 20:51:05 -0800
>typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>
>>Unless you get the all plastic ones..the HF calipers work just as well
>>as just about any "good one". They may not last 30 yrs in a busy
>>shop..but most makers today, foreign and domestic (any domestic makers
>>left?) make mics and calibers more than good enough..and accurate
>>enough for home shop and moderate commercial use.
>
> I want a dial caliper in fractions of an inch. Because I do a
>lot of woodworking using inches and fractions thereof - and I haven't
>memorized the drill size conversion charts.

My $20 HF digital shows in thou, mm, and fractions at the touch of a
button. I buy batteries from China at $0.12-$0.20 apiece in lots of
10.

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Sun, 04 Mar 2018 23:43:21 -0800

typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 16:56:48 -0800, pyotr filipivich
><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>You wont find a Dial caliper in fractions. You will however find a
>>>DIGITAL caliper in fractions at...Harbor Freight.
>>
>> Not to harsh your mellow, but
>>
>> https://www.woodcraft.com/products/woodriver-fractional-dial-caliper
>>
>No shit? Cool! Ive never seen one of those before! Thanks for the
>link!!
>
>I have one of the digital fractional calipers..but not one of those.
>Way cool!

You're welcome.

[pyotr filipivich]

Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99> on Mon, 5 Mar 2018 11:25:39 -0700 typed
in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>On 3/5/2018 12:43 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 16:56:48 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>> <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>> You wont find a Dial caliper in fractions. You will however find a
>>>> DIGITAL caliper in fractions at...Harbor Freight.
>>> Not to harsh your mellow, but
>>> https://www.woodcraft.com/products/woodriver-fractional-dial-caliper
>>>
>> No shit? Cool! Ive never seen one of those before! Thanks for the
>> link!!
>>
>> I have one of the digital fractional calipers..but not one of those.
>> Way cool!
>>
>> Gunner
>>

>It is not as accurate as a decimal one though. The dial turns at a
>higher rate. One turn is one inch.

Not as accurate as a micrometer - or a laser for that matter.

But a dial which shows the full inch, also lets me "see" that it
is "about two hairs past a quarter inch". Just don't forget to add
the inch - I do not want to think about the number of times I read the
'fraction' of a digital/ dial caliper or mic and forgot the rest of
it.

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Mon, 05 Mar 2018 12:03:25 -0800

typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>On Mon, 05 Mar 2018 11:51:38 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 11:25:39 -0700, Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99>
>>wrote:
>>>On 3/5/2018 12:43 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 16:56:48 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>>>> <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>>> You wont find a Dial caliper in fractions. You will however find a
>>>>>> DIGITAL caliper in fractions at...Harbor Freight.
>>>>> Not to harsh your mellow, but
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.woodcraft.com/products/woodriver-fractional-dial-caliper
>>>>>
>>>> No shit? Cool! Ive never seen one of those before! Thanks for the
>>>> link!!
>>>> I have one of the digital fractional calipers..but not one of those.
>>>> Way cool!
>>>> Gunner

>>>It is not as accurate as a decimal one though. The dial turns at a
>>>higher rate. One turn is one inch.
>>
>>Yeah..I read that. Im simply not sure why anybody would want one. But
>>it is cool.
>
>On pondering it...I can see some...some... uses for this in places
>that make raw materials..boards, sheets and similar stock in mills.
>You can easily see how close to say..5/8" your planer is cutting.
>But..you are going to have to adjust the blades in thousands, based on
>the commerical planers Ive worked on. So if your .625 sheet is
>actually coming out .608...you adjust the blades the proper +.017 and
>get it back to what its supposed to be.
>
>So yeah..I can see some..some uses for this. Not one Id ever have
>though that I can foresee.
>
>But..shrug...if it floats a guys boat.

Guys buy tools like women buy shoes - because they like it, they
will have it, and some other ... person, won't. Nyah.

And, as you say, "Whatever floats your boat." I want one to make
matching holes or dowels with drills a bit easier.

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 05 Mar 2018 20:46:20 -0800, pyotr filipivich

Easier how? Buy measuring spacing with an instrument which breaks
down measurements by 64ths of an inch..or by measurements which break
them down by 1000ths of an inch?

(hint..go with 1000ths)

>--
>pyotr filipivich
>"With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 05 Mar 2018 20:46:20 -0800, pyotr filipivich

<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99> on Mon, 5 Mar 2018 11:25:39 -0700 typed
>in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>On 3/5/2018 12:43 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 16:56:48 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>>> <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>> You wont find a Dial caliper in fractions. You will however find a
>>>>> DIGITAL caliper in fractions at...Harbor Freight.
>>>> Not to harsh your mellow, but
>>>> https://www.woodcraft.com/products/woodriver-fractional-dial-caliper
>>>>
>>> No shit? Cool! Ive never seen one of those before! Thanks for the
>>> link!!
>>>
>>> I have one of the digital fractional calipers..but not one of those.
>>> Way cool!
>>>
>>> Gunner
>>>
>>It is not as accurate as a decimal one though. The dial turns at a
>>higher rate. One turn is one inch.
>
> Not as accurate as a micrometer - or a laser for that matter.
>
> But a dial which shows the full inch, also lets me "see" that it
>is "about two hairs past a quarter inch". Just don't forget to add
>the inch - I do not want to think about the number of times I read the
>'fraction' of a digital/ dial caliper or mic and forgot the rest of
>it.

You are measuring something that is 4.357"..and you forget the 4"?

Nurse! Atropine! Stat!!!

(Grin)

>
>--
>pyotr filipivich
>"With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Mon, 05 Mar 2018 21:11:15 -0800

Wood swells that much when you breath on it. 8-) *

I wants one because I wants one. For the same reason people get a
Ronco pocket fisherman, or a Henry Taylor #7 Spoon Gouge. Because I
think it will solve a problem.

"Think of the flame thrower. Someone had to think to themselves "I
want to be able to set stuff on fire - way over there." and then work
all the bugs out.


tschus
pyotr




* co-worker told of working in a woodworking store, guy comes in wants
a block of wood 100 cm on a side, to .001. "Sir, wood swells that
much just by breathing on it. Also - a block that large is going to
be impossible to find."

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Mon, 05 Mar 2018 21:12:49 -0800

typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>

>>>It is not as accurate as a decimal one though. The dial turns at a
>>>higher rate. One turn is one inch.
>>
>> Not as accurate as a micrometer - or a laser for that matter.
>>
>> But a dial which shows the full inch, also lets me "see" that it
>>is "about two hairs past a quarter inch". Just don't forget to add
>>the inch - I do not want to think about the number of times I read the
>>'fraction' of a digital/ dial caliper or mic and forgot the rest of
>>it.
>
>You are measuring something that is 4.357"..and you forget the 4"?
>
>Nurse! Atropine! Stat!!!
>
>(Grin)

Snerk - more like (squinting at mic) 'That's .2" and not "that's
.002 plus two times .250". Nerts.

I cut it off twice and it is still too short!

[Bob La Londe]

On 3/6/2018 10:09 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> I cut it off twice and it is still too short!
> --
> pyotr filipivich
> "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

Measure twice, cut once, weld and repeat.

[Gunner Asch]

Thats why digitals are handy for many people.

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 06 Mar 2018 09:09:29 -0800, pyotr filipivich

ROFOMAO!!!! Well done Sir!!

Gunner

[Jim Wilkins]

"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:h7it9d9kohp5lknc3...@4ax.com...
> ...

> * co-worker told of working in a woodworking store, guy comes in
> wants
> a block of wood 100 cm on a side, to .001. "Sir, wood swells that
> much just by breathing on it. Also - a block that large is going to
> be impossible to find."
> --
> pyotr filipivich
> "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

Hmmmmm...I could sell my scrap cutoffs of 6x6 deck posts as kits to
make the Platonic Solids.

[pyotr filipivich]

"Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> on Tue, 6 Mar 2018 15:07:25 -0500

typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Sound like it might have possibilities.

Especially when considering what is being sold...

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Tue, 06 Mar 2018 11:17:18 -0800

typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>On Tue, 06 Mar 2018 09:09:29 -0800, pyotr filipivich
><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Mon, 05 Mar 2018 21:12:49 -0800
>>typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>>
>>>>>It is not as accurate as a decimal one though. The dial turns at a
>>>>>higher rate. One turn is one inch.
>>>>
>>>> Not as accurate as a micrometer - or a laser for that matter.
>>>>
>>>> But a dial which shows the full inch, also lets me "see" that it
>>>>is "about two hairs past a quarter inch". Just don't forget to add
>>>>the inch - I do not want to think about the number of times I read the
>>>>'fraction' of a digital/ dial caliper or mic and forgot the rest of
>>>>it.
>>>
>>>You are measuring something that is 4.357"..and you forget the 4"?
>>>
>>>Nurse! Atropine! Stat!!!
>>>
>>>(Grin)
>>
>> Snerk - more like (squinting at mic) 'That's .2" and not "that's
>>.002 plus two times .250". Nerts.
>>
>> I cut it off twice and it is still too short!
>>--
>>pyotr filipivich
>>"With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."
>
>Thats why digitals are handy for many people.

Yeah - precision guesswork. B-)

[Gerry]

I'm still using guard rail post cut-offs that I collected in 1980!

[Larry Jaques]

On Mon, 05 Mar 2018 20:46:20 -0800, pyotr filipivich

We're all tool whores with tool porn catalogs strewn around us. Well,
most of us. But I don't see a fit, either. I learned early on to
convert fractions to decimal because I liked working with the dial
caliper.

> And, as you say, "Whatever floats your boat." I want one to make
>matching holes or dowels with drills a bit easier.

Huh? Wit dem store-boughten dowels, you use the drill bit that comes
with the kit. If you make your own dowel plate, you use the drill
that fits what comes out of the hole. What's easier?

[Larry Jaques]

On Tue, 06 Mar 2018 09:09:29 -0800, pyotr filipivich

So does metal.

> I wants one because I wants one. For the same reason people get a
>Ronco pocket fisherman, or a Henry Taylor #7 Spoon Gouge. Because I
>think it will solve a problem.

Ayup. float = boat

> "Think of the flame thrower. Someone had to think to themselves "I
>want to be able to set stuff on fire - way over there." and then work
>all the bugs out.

I like the way you think, Pete. VBG

>* co-worker told of working in a woodworking store, guy comes in wants
>a block of wood 100 cm on a side, to .001. "Sir, wood swells that
>much just by breathing on it. Also - a block that large is going to
>be impossible to find."

Nah, just chop down a redwood or any old-growth pine/oak/etc. It'll
stay within that 0.001 (in one place) for at least a few minutes in a
small temp/hum-controlled space. I wonder if he meant 100mm...

[pyotr filipivich]

Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> on Wed, 07 Mar 2018
09:06:55 -0800 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Hmmm - now that's a novel idea - selling a drill with the dowels.

Or in this case - I have this collection of dowels and they are
all "bout that big" Somewhere between 1/4 and 5/16. Or maybe they're
3/8" - what ever.

[pyotr filipivich]

Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> on Wed, 07 Mar 2018

09:14:05 -0800 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

iirc - Scot asked - he meant a meter.

[Jim Wilkins]

"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message

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> ..

> Or in this case - I have this collection of dowels and they are
> all "bout that big" Somewhere between 1/4 and 5/16. Or maybe
> they're
> 3/8" - what ever.
> --
> pyotr filipivich
> "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

I bought the contents of the pipe threader scrap bin at Home Depot
once, for stock to turn sleeves and hubs and bushings. Some of the
pieces were only a crude approximation of "round".

[pyotr filipivich]

"Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> on Thu, 8 Mar 2018 20:19:00 -0500

typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

"Round - for some value of 'round'."

I have studied GD&T one several occasions. Flat, level, round,
perpendicular - for some value of same, this complies.
I mean a LP album is "flat" at one level, "not flat" at another..


tschus
pyotr

[Larry Jaques]

On Thu, 08 Mar 2018 16:42:11 -0800, pyotr filipivich

That's why I initially said redwood/old growth, which would be large
enough for a cubic meter of wood, but you never know with the public.
They get these odd tidbits of "news" from CNN and they're off and
running.

--
Silence is more musical than any song.
-- Christina Rossetti

[Larry Jaques]

On Thu, 08 Mar 2018 16:42:11 -0800, pyotr filipivich

I bought the kits eons ago, then made my own centering device.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/General-Tools-1-4-in-Wood-Doweling-Kit-841014/205585492
They came with brad point bits, so they don't drift so easily. Trying
to fit 2 boards together with imprecisely drilled dowel holes is like
herding cats. Jus tain't possible.

> Or in this case - I have this collection of dowels and they are
>all "bout that big" Somewhere between 1/4 and 5/16. Or maybe they're
>3/8" - what ever.

They're likely made for 1/4, 5/16, or 3/8" bits. Measure them and
you'll find that they're a bit larger than the hole you drill for
them. Splined types are larger still, by another few thou. Glue and
tap (hammer) 'em home. When you drill, go deep to leave expansion
room for the extra glue or you'll learn how to split wood in a
hydraulic manner.

If they're all one size, put 'em in a bag and mark them for the drill
size to prevent future confusion. (That said, I need to stop using so
many odd abbreviations. 'AQL' could mean anything 30 years later, but
I knew exactly what I meant back then. <blush>)

If not, mark 3 bags 1/4, 5/16, and 3/8, respectively. Sitting down
once to do that will save you grief later. DAMHIKT.

[pyotr filipivich]

Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> on Fri, 09 Mar 2018
08:00:48 -0800 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Hence the reason I had for wanting a long auger bit. The need for
through holes on two 3" inch boards.

>
>
>> Or in this case - I have this collection of dowels and they are
>>all "bout that big" Somewhere between 1/4 and 5/16. Or maybe they're
>>3/8" - what ever.
>
>They're likely made for 1/4, 5/16, or 3/8" bits. Measure them and
>you'll find that they're a bit larger than the hole you drill for
>them. Splined types are larger still, by another few thou. Glue and
>tap (hammer) 'em home. When you drill, go deep to leave expansion
>room for the extra glue or you'll learn how to split wood in a
>hydraulic manner.

I grabbed a pair to use as guides for the sliding thing (the two 3
inch boards above). Didn't quite work.

>
>If they're all one size, put 'em in a bag and mark them for the drill
>size to prevent future confusion. (That said, I need to stop using so
>many odd abbreviations. 'AQL' could mean anything 30 years later, but
>I knew exactly what I meant back then. <blush>)
>
>If not, mark 3 bags 1/4, 5/16, and 3/8, respectively. Sitting down
>once to do that will save you grief later. DAMHIKT.

I'll add that to the list of things to get done.

[Larry Jaques]

On Sat, 10 Mar 2018 07:40:56 -0800, pyotr filipivich
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> on Fri, 09 Mar 2018
>08:00:48 -0800 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>>I bought the kits eons ago, then made my own centering device.
>>https://www.homedepot.com/p/General-Tools-1-4-in-Wood-Doweling-Kit-841014/205585492
>>They came with brad point bits, so they don't drift so easily. Trying
>>to fit 2 boards together with imprecisely drilled dowel holes is like
>>herding cats. Jus tain't possible.
>
> Hence the reason I had for wanting a long auger bit. The need for
>through holes on two 3" inch boards.

You can buy long brad point bits. https://is.gd/6aBAEs and other
sources.

I forgot to mention dowel centers. You drill holes in one board, put
the centers in the holes, then match up the other board to it and tap
against the points, marking the second board precisely.
https://is.gd/ldqXBh

You realize this is stretching even my old memory. Ancient wood tech,
y'know? It's all biscuits and kreg now. Unless you're rich and can
afford a Festeringtool Domino, a li'l $960 kit. Want a $1,000 shop
vac? Oops, I mean "dust extractor") They have 'em.
https://www.festoolusa.com/

[pyotr filipivich]

Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> on Sun, 11 Mar 2018
17:03:16 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>On Sat, 10 Mar 2018 07:40:56 -0800, pyotr filipivich
><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> on Fri, 09 Mar 2018
>>08:00:48 -0800 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>>I bought the kits eons ago, then made my own centering device.
>>>https://www.homedepot.com/p/General-Tools-1-4-in-Wood-Doweling-Kit-841014/205585492
>>>They came with brad point bits, so they don't drift so easily. Trying
>>>to fit 2 boards together with imprecisely drilled dowel holes is like
>>>herding cats. Jus tain't possible.
>>
>> Hence the reason I had for wanting a long auger bit. The need for
>>through holes on two 3" inch boards.
>
>You can buy long brad point bits. https://is.gd/6aBAEs and other
>sources.

Will have to look into those.

>
>I forgot to mention dowel centers. You drill holes in one board, put
>the centers in the holes, then match up the other board to it and tap
>against the points, marking the second board precisely.
>https://is.gd/ldqXBh

My problem is: no means to be sure I've the axis of the second
hole aligned with that of the first. So long bits, drill one long
hole and cutting it in half (or thirds,with the extra hole can be used
in handles or other projects.)

thanks

[pyotr filipivich]

Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> on Sun, 11 Mar 2018

17:03:16 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

I worked with some Festtool sanders, seemed to be a good tool for
the intended use (finishing up imitations stone countertops.)

[Jim Wilkins]

"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message

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If the hole is square to the surface a Portalign works well.
https://www.ebay.com/i/162849626344?chn=ps

A more general approach is to lay out and center punch both ends of
both holes in a straight line, then drill with the work resting on and
aligned by an upright point on the drill press table in line with the
spindle axis.

[Larry Jaques]

On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 07:25:38 -0700, pyotr filipivich

<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> on Sun, 11 Mar 2018
>17:03:16 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>On Sat, 10 Mar 2018 07:40:56 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> on Fri, 09 Mar 2018
>>>08:00:48 -0800 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>>>I bought the kits eons ago, then made my own centering device.
>>>>https://www.homedepot.com/p/General-Tools-1-4-in-Wood-Doweling-Kit-841014/205585492
>>>>They came with brad point bits, so they don't drift so easily. Trying
>>>>to fit 2 boards together with imprecisely drilled dowel holes is like
>>>>herding cats. Jus tain't possible.
>>>
>>> Hence the reason I had for wanting a long auger bit. The need for
>>>through holes on two 3" inch boards.
>>
>>You can buy long brad point bits. https://is.gd/6aBAEs and other
>>sources.
>
> Will have to look into those.
>>
>>I forgot to mention dowel centers. You drill holes in one board, put
>>the centers in the holes, then match up the other board to it and tap
>>against the points, marking the second board precisely.
>>https://is.gd/ldqXBh
>
> My problem is: no means to be sure I've the axis of the second
>hole aligned with that of the first.

If you don't have a drill press, get one. Or (less ChaChing) get a
drill guide (the tool you strap onto a VSR drill, great if you have a
second drill motor) https://is.gd/PkiEoc

I have the old 90-degree model, a PortAlign. I could slide the base up
and have the rods align with the plane of the board while centering
it. http://www.cab1net.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=634

>So long bits, drill one long
>hole and cutting it in half (or thirds,with the extra hole can be used
>in handles or other projects.)

(I have absolutely no idea what that meant.)
OK, 4th read--guessing you're talking about drilling a single board
and then ripping (with grain) down to 2 or 3 pieces? How could an
extra 1/4" (or larger) hole work for a handle?

[Larry Jaques]

On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 07:25:38 -0700, pyotr filipivich

That they are, but the overpricing sticks in my craw. I loved their
plunge saw setup, but it would have cost me $750. The same setup I got
from Makita was $426, plus $43 an extra 55" rail and $35 for a pair of
clamps.

[pyotr filipivich]

Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> on Mon, 12 Mar 2018
20:56:40 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

I have some kind of centering guide - but it requires a "second"
chuck. And I'm not sure where it is anyway.
"Excuses, excuses"

I do have a Zyliss clamping system - without the attachments.
Nerts.

>
>>So long bits, drill one long
>>hole and cutting it in half (or thirds,with the extra hole can be used
>>in handles or other projects.)
>
>(I have absolutely no idea what that meant.)
>OK, 4th read--guessing you're talking about drilling a single board
>and then ripping (with grain) down to 2 or 3 pieces? How could an
>extra 1/4" (or larger) hole work for a handle?

Some years ago, I was making a part which was a tube with a slot.
Two variants: one had the slot end to end, the other only had the slot
open at one end. I was making the first variant. Handed in the first
part run for sign off, foreman comes back and tells me "the slot is
too long." I tell him "the extra slot was for the strategic slut
reserve."

So, if I drill a hole too deep, the extra hole can be used for
putting the holes in wooden handles ala in paint brush.

(Now, who was the guy who sent a bunch of brushes out, and the
customer complained there weren't any holes in the handle to hang them
up. So the maker sent him "a box of holes". Which were returned with
the note "These are the wrong size, need the next size smaller.")

[pyotr filipivich]

"Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> on Mon, 12 Mar 2018 18:25:00
-0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

My problem is - I don't have a "drill press". I had some, but
can't find them. Argggh.

[pyotr filipivich]

Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> on Mon, 12 Mar 2018
22:08:18 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Yeah. Seems to me, some folks swear by them, others swear at
them.
In my case "It was the company's money."

[Jim Wilkins]

"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message

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Well, if you can't make your own holes you'll have to buy them.
-jsw

[Larry Jaques]

On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 08:04:37 -0700, pyotr filipivich

When I put the 1/2" chuck on the old B&D VSR, I had a spare 3/8"
chuck.

> I do have a Zyliss clamping system - without the attachments.
>Nerts.
>>
>>>So long bits, drill one long
>>>hole and cutting it in half (or thirds,with the extra hole can be used
>>>in handles or other projects.)
>>
>>(I have absolutely no idea what that meant.)
>>OK, 4th read--guessing you're talking about drilling a single board
>>and then ripping (with grain) down to 2 or 3 pieces? How could an
>>extra 1/4" (or larger) hole work for a handle?
>
> Some years ago, I was making a part which was a tube with a slot.
>Two variants: one had the slot end to end, the other only had the slot
>open at one end. I was making the first variant. Handed in the first
>part run for sign off, foreman comes back and tells me "the slot is
>too long." I tell him "the extra slot was for the strategic slut
>reserve."

It sounds as if you had a pretty good relationship with the guy if you
could say that to him.

> So, if I drill a hole too deep, the extra hole can be used for
>putting the holes in wooden handles ala in paint brush.

Unfortunately for me, that's starting to make sense.

> (Now, who was the guy who sent a bunch of brushes out, and the
>customer complained there weren't any holes in the handle to hang them
>up. So the maker sent him "a box of holes". Which were returned with
>the note "These are the wrong size, need the next size smaller.")

<g> They should have turned to Tyrone, the resident hole shrinker.

--
A sound mind in a sound body is a short but full
description of a happy state in this world.
--John Locke

[pyotr filipivich]

Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> on Wed, 14 Mar 2018
06:36:33 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>
>>>>So long bits, drill one long
>>>>hole and cutting it in half (or thirds,with the extra hole can be used
>>>>in handles or other projects.)
>>>
>>>(I have absolutely no idea what that meant.)
>>>OK, 4th read--guessing you're talking about drilling a single board
>>>and then ripping (with grain) down to 2 or 3 pieces? How could an
>>>extra 1/4" (or larger) hole work for a handle?
>>
>> Some years ago, I was making a part which was a tube with a slot.
>>Two variants: one had the slot end to end, the other only had the slot
>>open at one end. I was making the first variant. Handed in the first
>>part run for sign off, foreman comes back and tells me "the slot is
>>too long." I tell him "the extra slot was for the strategic slut
>>reserve."
>
>It sounds as if you had a pretty good relationship with the guy if you
>could say that to him.

Yeah, I did.

He's the reason I kept a set of random house keys in my toolbox.
Because after having him sign off on a bunch of stuff he said "So
where are the keys?"
Huh?
"Last time I sign so much paperwork, I got keys to a house."


tschus
pyotr

[Gunner Asch]

On Sat, 10 Mar 2018 07:40:56 -0800, pyotr filipivich
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>>> Hmmm - now that's a novel idea - selling a drill with the dowels.
>>
>>I bought the kits eons ago, then made my own centering device.
>>https://www.homedepot.com/p/General-Tools-1-4-in-Wood-Doweling-Kit-841014/205585492
>>They came with brad point bits, so they don't drift so easily. Trying
>>to fit 2 boards together with imprecisely drilled dowel holes is like
>>herding cats. Jus tain't possible.
>
> Hence the reason I had for wanting a long auger bit. The need for
>through holes on two 3" inch boards.

Who needs auger bits? What sizes and how long? I have a..few.


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[Larry Jaques]

Did you surprise him with them? Har!

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Sat, 17 Mar 2018 18:58:16 -0700

typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>On Sat, 10 Mar 2018 07:40:56 -0800, pyotr filipivich
><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Hmmm - now that's a novel idea - selling a drill with the dowels.
>>>
>>>I bought the kits eons ago, then made my own centering device.
>>>https://www.homedepot.com/p/General-Tools-1-4-in-Wood-Doweling-Kit-841014/205585492
>>>They came with brad point bits, so they don't drift so easily. Trying
>>>to fit 2 boards together with imprecisely drilled dowel holes is like
>>>herding cats. Jus tain't possible.
>>
>> Hence the reason I had for wanting a long auger bit. The need for
>>through holes on two 3" inch boards.
>
>Who needs auger bits? What sizes and how long? I have a..few.

I do. I'm not sure what sizes. I have other things "in the way"
that need doing first.
Like finding where I stashed the table saw.

[Gunner Asch]

Let me know what sizes and Ill dig em out.

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Mon, 19 Mar 2018 04:55:26 -0700

typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 20:56:53 -0700, pyotr filipivich
><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Sat, 17 Mar 2018 18:58:16 -0700
>>typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>>On Sat, 10 Mar 2018 07:40:56 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>>><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Hmmm - now that's a novel idea - selling a drill with the dowels.
>>>>>
>>>>>I bought the kits eons ago, then made my own centering device.
>>>>>https://www.homedepot.com/p/General-Tools-1-4-in-Wood-Doweling-Kit-841014/205585492
>>>>>They came with brad point bits, so they don't drift so easily. Trying
>>>>>to fit 2 boards together with imprecisely drilled dowel holes is like
>>>>>herding cats. Jus tain't possible.
>>>>
>>>> Hence the reason I had for wanting a long auger bit. The need for
>>>>through holes on two 3" inch boards.
>>>
>>>Who needs auger bits? What sizes and how long? I have a..few.
>>
>> I do. I'm not sure what sizes. I have other things "in the way"
>>that need doing first.
>> Like finding where I stashed the table saw.
>>--
>>pyotr filipivich
>>"With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."
>
>Let me know what sizes and Ill dig em out.
>

Will do.