Amazing accomplishment of light bulb sellers

[Ignoramus17018]

It used to be difficult to sell a light bulb for more than $1. And
those would last a while.

Nowadays, they can sell $35 light bulbs, that last only a year, and
that could even get your house hacked.

https://www.amazon.com/SYLVANIA-Equivalent-SmartThings-Formerly-LIGHTIFY/dp/B01HF2CMM4/

This is an amazing accomplishment and something that any old time
crook would be proud of.

[Leon Fisk]

You can bottle and sell water too ;-)

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Selling pet rocks is more profitable.

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[Ignoramus17018]

On 2017-09-30, Leon Fisk <lf...@no.spam.iserv.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 14:21:29 -0500
> Ignoramus17018 <ignoram...@NOSPAM.17018.invalid> wrote:
>
>>It used to be difficult to sell a light bulb for more than $1. And
>>those would last a while.
>>
>>Nowadays, they can sell $35 light bulbs, that last only a year, and
>>that could even get your house hacked.
>>
>>https://www.amazon.com/SYLVANIA-Equivalent-SmartThings-Formerly-LIGHTIFY/dp/B01HF2CMM4/
>>
>>This is an amazing accomplishment and something that any old time
>>crook would be proud of.
>
> You can bottle and sell water too ;-)
>

At least water costs $2.99 per big case... But I see your point!!!

i

[dca...@krl.org]

Do you remember my posting about Walmart selling 8.5 watt led bulbs? I checked on the internet and they are now $1.34 each ( actually $5.54 for four ) . I said I would post when one fails. And I will, but none have failed so far.

Considering that they last longer , $1.34 each is not bad.

Dan

Dan

[Howard Beel]

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Our local 99 cent store has 5W led bulbs, been using them since
march with no failures. Nice for a bathroom nitelite.

[Ignoramus17018]

On 2017-10-01, dca...@krl.org <dca...@krl.org> wrote:
>
> Do you remember my posting about Walmart selling 8.5 watt led bulbs?
> I checked on the internet and they are now $1.34 each ( actually
> $5.54 for four ) . I said I would post when one fails. And I will,
> but none have failed so far.
>
> Considering that they last longer , $1.34 each is not bad.

A few years ago, I gave up on byuing Walmart lights because they kept
failing on me.

[robobass]

I will never have any "internet of things" stuff in my house, but I have moved to about 75% LED at home. The quality has gotten really good really recently. If you bought an LED spot in a hardware store five years ago, I bet you returned it immediately. I have been buying warm white LED directly from China for about 8 years, the German shops not offering anything decent. Now they have finally caught on. I have an 8w lamp in my foyer which is way brighter than the two 40w halogens it replaced. Yesterday I picked up a couple of 4w spots in a "Lidl" (sort of like an "Aldi" for $4 each. They are super bright, and the color is warmer than halogen. I'm going back for more tomorrow. I will probably be at 90% LED at home by the end of the year. I still have the traditional tubes on the ceiling and halogen spots over work surfaces in the shop though. I find the halogens are still superior for centering a point, seeing fine scratches, and what not.

[Larry Jaques]

I love home automation, but would never even -think- of using it
outside the home to control the inside. Think of all the surveillance
possibilities by Big Brother for these systems. I know people who love
the Alexa thing and asked if they felt about it. They all said "We're
not doing anything wrong, so why worry?" That corporations, gov't,
hackers, and criminals know your every wish and detail of daily life
seems far, far too invasive to me.

Scenario: Person comes home to emptied house with note on smart
toaster, alone in the kitchen: Thanks for everything! --the perps

--
Stoop and you'll be stepped on;
stand tall and you'll be shot at.
-- Carlos A. Urbizo

[Larry Jaques]

On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 15:29:40 -0400, Leon Fisk
<lf...@no.spam.iserv.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 14:21:29 -0500
>Ignoramus17018 <ignoram...@NOSPAM.17018.invalid> wrote:
>
>>It used to be difficult to sell a light bulb for more than $1. And
>>those would last a while.
>>
>>Nowadays, they can sell $35 light bulbs, that last only a year, and
>>that could even get your house hacked.
>>
>>https://www.amazon.com/SYLVANIA-Equivalent-SmartThings-Formerly-LIGHTIFY/dp/B01HF2CMM4/
>>
>>This is an amazing accomplishment and something that any old time
>>crook would be proud of.
>
>You can bottle and sell water too ;-)

Yeah. Evian (naive spelled backwards; coincidence?) goes for about
$45/gal. Walmart sells bottled filtered City of Sacramento, CA water.
Not even spring water!

[Five To One]

On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 06:30:40 -0700, Larry Jaques
<lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:

> That corporations, gov't,
>hackers, and criminals know your every wish and detail of daily life
>seems far, far too invasive to me.

Fortunately, your secrets are safe on Usenet and Facebook.

[Ignoramus13481]

On 2017-10-01, Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 15:29:40 -0400, Leon Fisk
><lf...@no.spam.iserv.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 14:21:29 -0500
>>Ignoramus17018 <ignoram...@NOSPAM.17018.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>It used to be difficult to sell a light bulb for more than $1. And
>>>those would last a while.
>>>
>>>Nowadays, they can sell $35 light bulbs, that last only a year, and
>>>that could even get your house hacked.
>>>
>>>https://www.amazon.com/SYLVANIA-Equivalent-SmartThings-Formerly-LIGHTIFY/dp/B01HF2CMM4/
>>>
>>>This is an amazing accomplishment and something that any old time
>>>crook would be proud of.
>>
>>You can bottle and sell water too ;-)
>
> Yeah. Evian (naive spelled backwards; coincidence?) goes for about
> $45/gal. Walmart sells bottled filtered City of Sacramento, CA water.
> Not even spring water!
>

meanwhile the suckers keep on buying

[Larry Jaques]

I had so many failures with Feit Electric CFLs, I won't ever buy
another Feit product, even though they replaced them free of charge.
Two died within the first month, the 3rd of 4 died within the year.
I believe Feit sourced Walmart's bulbs for awhile, but I don't know
who does now. I don't care if a bulb has a 10 day warranty if it
lasts ten years, but I won't put up with those sporting 10 year
warranties if I have to replace them numerous times every year. I
already went through that with Searz Crapsman, giving them my gallon
of blood and pound of flesh, literally.

Satco puts out good CFLs, and I still have several going for the
better part of a decade. Since I found Chinese-sourced LEDs for a
buck many years ago, while US-made LED bulbs were $30-60 each, I am
working through a few dozen of those. 1 in 6 dies within a couple
years, not the best history. Now that Philips puts out sub-$3 LED
bulbs, I'm trying them, bought from Platt Electric here in town. 8w
non-dimmable daylight = 60w replacement. Cost $0.96 per year to run.
Good in the bathroom for shaving, plucking eyebrows, and doing makeup,
right, Tawm?

A pair of 14w daylight LED spots in my front security lamp have been
going for a few years now. At first, they were going on every minute
like clockwork, and I discovered that a 47k 1/4w carbon film resistor
between hot and not solved that. They would build up a charge from the
caps in the 120v-12v bulb power supply and trigger the lamps.

[Neon John]

On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 14:21:29 -0500, Ignoramus17018
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.17018.invalid> wrote:

>It used to be difficult to sell a light bulb for more than $1. And
>those would last a while.

*sigh* Here we go again. A brand name 100 watt incandescent lamp
draws 100 watts, costs about $1.50 and is designed to last 1000 hours.

When I moved here 15 years ago I replaced all my lighting with CFLs.
Purchased the mega pack from Sam's Club. Major name brand, though I
can't remember whether it was Sylvania or GE or maybe Lights of
America. Cost was about $3.50 each and they consume 13 watts (my
measurement).

I had a few failures at the 7 year mark but the majority of the lamps
are still going strong. The reduction in power consumption has paid
for the lamps many times over, not to mention eliminating changing
bulbs in inconvenient locations.

A few months ago I bought a couple of top-of-the-line Cree 100 watt
equivalent LED lamps. Cost was about $9 each. It also draws 13 watts
but the light output is twice that of a modern CFL. Read my
comparison testing here

http://www.johndearmond.com/2017/07/28/progress-in-lighting/

>Nowadays, they can sell $35 light bulbs, that last only a year, and
>that could even get your house hacked.

That's not a light bulb. It's an Internet-connected microcomputer
with LEDs attached. I would not pay that but then I have no use for
an infinitely variable color lamp.

In summary, modern lamps draw a quarter the power of an incandescent
lamp, last many times longer, produce more than 4X the amount of light
and cost only modestly more than an incandescent lamp.

That's a huge win in my book.

John
John DeArmond
http://www.neon-john.com
http://www.tnduction.com
Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
See website for email address

[Neon John]

On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 09:33:44 -0500, Ignoramus13481
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.13481.invalid> wrote:


>meanwhile the suckers keep on buying

I'll bet the people in Florida and Texas who stockpiled bottled water
did not consider themselves suckers. We keep bottled water in gallon
jugs in our motorhome because there is no telling what the local water
tastes like. We're certainly not suckers.

[Jon Elson]

Right, we've gone from 60 W bulbs that were rated at 800 Hours, to CFLs that
seemed to last several thousand hours (I've had some last 5 years, but much
shorter in steamy bathrooms) to LEDs that will, hopefully, last even longer.
Seems like progress to me. But, of course, the power consumption has REALLY
gone down, which is great!

Jon

[David Lesher]

Ever done the math on the cost of the lamps vs. the cost of the
electricity they use? I did years ago; I suggest you do so......

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[Michael A Terrell]

Neon John wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 09:33:44 -0500, Ignoramus13481
> <ignoram...@NOSPAM.13481.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>> meanwhile the suckers keep on buying
>
> I'll bet the people in Florida and Texas who stockpiled bottled water
> did not consider themselves suckers. We keep bottled water in gallon
> jugs in our motorhome because there is no telling what the local water
> tastes like. We're certainly not suckers.

I had six gallon jugs of distilled water on hand for cooking, and 16
two liter bottles of fake Diet Mountain Dew when Irma hit. The gallon
jugs were 87 cents each, and the diet soda were 75 cents, each. I also
had 20 cans of Spam. :)

My electricity was out until the 169th of last month. CATV and
Internet were resorted on the 20th. The landline still doesn't work,
over a month later.

My broadband provider closed my Earthlink account and replaced it
with their crappy product, taking my email and Newsgroups with it. I
just signed up for a different Usenet service a couple days ago.

[Michael A Terrell]

I bought a package of four of those. So far, two of the four have
failed. First they would start to flicker, then they failed completely.

[Larry Jaques]

On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 00:05:41 -0400, Michael A Terrell
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Neon John wrote:
>> On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 09:33:44 -0500, Ignoramus13481
>> <ignoram...@NOSPAM.13481.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> meanwhile the suckers keep on buying
>>
>> I'll bet the people in Florida and Texas who stockpiled bottled water
>> did not consider themselves suckers. We keep bottled water in gallon
>> jugs in our motorhome because there is no telling what the local water
>> tastes like. We're certainly not suckers.
>
>
> I had six gallon jugs of distilled water on hand for cooking, and 16
>two liter bottles of fake Diet Mountain Dew when Irma hit. The gallon
>jugs were 87 cents each, and the diet soda were 75 cents, each. I also
>had 20 cans of Spam. :)

Well, at least you ate and drank "well". <kaff, kaff, kaff>

> My electricity was out until the 169th of last month. CATV and
>Internet were resorted on the 20th. The landline still doesn't work,
>over a month later.

That's late in the month! <g>

> My broadband provider closed my Earthlink account and replaced it
>with their crappy product, taking my email and Newsgroups with it. I
>just signed up for a different Usenet service a couple days ago.

I'm having trouble with Centurylink out here on the Left Coast. My 3
year contract expired and my $74.12 monthly payment for phone and
5mbps Internet jumped to $90 and change. I called them and was put on
hold, then was hung up on 15 minutes later. I called back and was put
on hold again, but I hung up after the bastard didn't come back on to
the call within 45 minutes. By then, I was so mad I said "F*ck it."
About a week and a half later, my ire had cooled and I called again
and got someone who stayed on the line, telling me they did away with
contracts, and everything is just $85/mo for phone and 12mbps
Internet. That works out to $100/mo after taxes and graft fees. I
was all set up to pay $100 for the faster modem/router when the day
came and the installer called and said "Well, we won't be able to do
this. The fastest broadband in your area is 5mbps and they aren't
allowing us to do bonded pairs any more. A few days later, I got the
letter of cancellation from Centurylink. When I got back from house
sitting for my sister, I grabbed the stack of mail from the box and I
had a bill from my old long distance service, though I'd called them
to shut it off a month ago. The fee had doubled because I wasn't on
the original contract any more, and Centurylink hadn't taken it over,
so Centurylink has bent me over and ass-raped me in just one more way.
I hope that makes you feel better about what the storm put you
through.

--
Always bear in mind that your own resolution to
succeed is more important than any one thing.
-- Abraham Lincoln

[Larry Jaques]

On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 00:05:41 -0400, Michael A Terrell
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Neon John wrote:
>> On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 09:33:44 -0500, Ignoramus13481
>> <ignoram...@NOSPAM.13481.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> meanwhile the suckers keep on buying
>>
>> I'll bet the people in Florida and Texas who stockpiled bottled water
>> did not consider themselves suckers. We keep bottled water in gallon
>> jugs in our motorhome because there is no telling what the local water
>> tastes like. We're certainly not suckers.
>
>
> I had six gallon jugs of distilled water on hand for cooking, and 16
>two liter bottles of fake Diet Mountain Dew when Irma hit. The gallon
>jugs were 87 cents each, and the diet soda were 75 cents, each. I also
>had 20 cans of Spam. :)

P.S: Stock a case of each of several canned meats, cases of canned
veggies, and half a dozen cases of water for the next time. I you
have propane, stock up on ramen. Half a can of veggies/meat and a
ramen makes a hearty stewp for. I toss the MSG "flavor packet" and use
bouillon, garlic, and pepper, mostly. It ain't a $15 gov't MRE, but
it's not half bad.

[Larry Jaques]

Have you designed an inexpensive replacement power supply for them
yet? I'd love a copy of the circuit if you do. I have a little stack
of various styles of Chiwanese LED bulbs waiting for repair. It's
times like these that I wish SKF hadn't taken over Palomar Technology
and I'd had time to let a decent electronics background build up for
me. 3 years was nothing, IMHO. <sigh>

[Michael A Terrell]

Larry Jaques wrote:

>
> Michael A Terrell wrote:
>>
>> I had six gallon jugs of distilled water on hand for cooking, and
>> 16 two liter bottles of fake Diet Mountain Dew when Irma hit. The
>> gallon jugs were 87 cents each, and the diet soda were 75 cents,
>> each. I also had 20 cans of Spam. :)
>
> P.S: Stock a case of each of several canned meats, cases of canned
> veggies, and half a dozen cases of water for the next time. I you

> have propane, stock up on Ramen. Half a can of veggies/meat and a
> Ramen makes a hearty stew for. I toss the MSG "flavor packet" and use

> bouillon, garlic, and pepper, mostly. It ain't a $15 gov't MRE, but
> it's not half bad.

I ate a lot of cold cans of chili, stew, vegetables and a few snacks
that were on hand. There was no propane for the stove, but the nearest
McDonalds had arranged for backup power, and had a fell reefer truck
full of food in the parking lot so they stayed open with a limited menu.
I had one hot meal each day, after leaving the Special Needs Hurricane
Shelter. Three days and two nights were more than enough for me. The
county had replaced their old folding beds with cheap camping cots that
weren't wide enough for a teenager, let alone an old man. I couldn't get
to my feet, without help. They had some better beds, but some some
greedy jerks had demanded them and left those that needed one to do without.

I normally have 200 to 400 cans of food on hand at all times. I buy
canned goods by the tray. I had bought 144 cans of soup a couple years
ago. I've used about 2/3 of them.

[Michael A Terrell]

No. I am trying to put my shop back together. I was trying to buy a
used box truck when the Hurricane hit. It was in nice shape, but it
didn't have a poer tailgate or ramp, so the guy wanted $2000 for the
2001 F350. The problems were: It was titled out of state, so it had to
be taken to the county tax office for them to read the VIN. That
required insurance for a 30 day tag. The only company that bothered to
reply was Geico, and they wanted over $1784 a year for insurance, and
the county wanted $788 for the new title & tag. All that, just to get
the windowless aluminum 16' box for a shielded place for working with RF.

Then I missed out on an 8' x 24' aluminum trailer for $1000. :(

The third option is still open. A new 10' x16' portable shed for
$3000, plus a building permit. :(


The Dollar Tree Sunbeam brand LED bulb is almost identical to the
Walmart bulb. I'm trying to find a way to open the Walmart bulbs without
just taking a hammer to one of them.

[Michael A Terrell]

Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 00:05:41 -0400, Michael A Terrell
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Neon John wrote:
>>> On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 09:33:44 -0500, Ignoramus13481
>>> <ignoram...@NOSPAM.13481.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> meanwhile the suckers keep on buying
>>>
>>> I'll bet the people in Florida and Texas who stockpiled bottled water
>>> did not consider themselves suckers. We keep bottled water in gallon
>>> jugs in our motorhome because there is no telling what the local water
>>> tastes like. We're certainly not suckers.
>>
>>
>> I had six gallon jugs of distilled water on hand for cooking, and 16
>> two liter bottles of fake Diet Mountain Dew when Irma hit. The gallon
>> jugs were 87 cents each, and the diet soda were 75 cents, each. I also
>> had 20 cans of Spam. :)
>
> Well, at least you ate and drank "well". <kaff, kaff, kaff>
>
>
>> My electricity was out until the 169th of last month. CATV and
>> Internet were resorted on the 20th. The landline still doesn't work,
>> over a month later.
>
> That's late in the month! <g>

People around here will not cut down dead or dying trees. A huge one
fell, crushed their fence, snapped off a 40' power pole and block the
road, and ended up taking out the fence across the street. They cut up
enough to clear the road, but the upper part was still over tree feet in
diameter.

Centurylink sucks. My landline hasn't been worth a damn, since it
changed it's name from Sprint. The underground lines are 50 years old,
and mostly bad pairs. They won't replace it, until they decide to
convert everything to fiber.



>

[Jim Wilkins]

"Larry Jaques" <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote in message
news:eerjucdnf7km78ads...@4ax.com...

I get along fine with BasicISP dialup and Broadband2Go cellular
Internet, Virgin PayLo for cell phone and an antenna for TV.
-jsw

[Larry Jaques]

On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:45:58 -0400, Michael A Terrell

Now you should be able to find scrape and dents pretty easily, unless
most blew into the Atlantic. Check with salvage operators NOW!

>didn't have a poer tailgate or ramp, so the guy wanted $2000 for the
>2001 F350. The problems were: It was titled out of state, so it had to
>be taken to the county tax office for them to read the VIN. That
>required insurance for a 30 day tag. The only company that bothered to
>reply was Geico, and they wanted over $1784 a year for insurance, and
>the county wanted $788 for the new title & tag. All that, just to get
>the windowless aluminum 16' box for a shielded place for working with RF.

Get a quote from USAA if your driving record is good. You might be
surprised.

> Then I missed out on an 8' x 24' aluminum trailer for $1000. :(
>
> The third option is still open. A new 10' x16' portable shed for
>$3000, plus a building permit. :(

Add $400 to assemble it.

> The Dollar Tree Sunbeam brand LED bulb is almost identical to the
>Walmart bulb. I'm trying to find a way to open the Walmart bulbs without
>just taking a hammer to one of them.

Ooh, $tree has LED bulbs now? Gotsk to go see! Although the last
batch of Chiwanese E19 style bulbs is working out well. 12w cool
whites using are actually using 8W and putting out 100 incan-watts
worth of light (only 900lm, but bright) and lasting years now. At the
same wattage, cool whites look a lot brighter to me than those
pissyella warm white bulbs.

P.S: If 4 broke, take a hammer to one. Then you can find out how to
finesse the others apart.

[Larry Jaques]

>I get along fine with BasicISP dialup and Broadband2Go cellular
>Internet,

Is that for your laptop, and why both? Oh, ick, CDMA. <g>
I'm with the other guys and had to get cards for the new phone.

Oh, ick, 56k dialup (good enough for Usenet/email, but...)

>Virgin PayLo for cell phone and an antenna for TV.

Tracfone w/ data and NO TV here, TYVM.

I'm wondering if I should just give up the land line, but between
neighbors and friends, I spend 30-60mins/day on the phone. My
neighbor is paying $15/mo for VOIP, but she has sat TV, so I'm not
sure how she's set up. She can't even measure a string with a ruler,
so I can't ask her -any- tech questions about it.

Charter Cable (local) doesn't service my area any more, so I can't
just swap over to them. Hughes wants $80/mo for Internet only, plus
$15-20/mo for modem rental, and they have a data max which switches
speeds from 25mbps to 1-3mbps after the 20gb/mo is gone. Talk about a
farkin' scam.

I miss my $8/mo Ma Bell bills!

[Larry Jaques]

On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:08:49 -0400, Michael A Terrell
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Larry Jaques wrote:
> >
>> Michael A Terrell wrote:
>>>
>>> I had six gallon jugs of distilled water on hand for cooking, and
>>> 16 two liter bottles of fake Diet Mountain Dew when Irma hit. The
>>> gallon jugs were 87 cents each, and the diet soda were 75 cents,
>>> each. I also had 20 cans of Spam. :)
>>
>> P.S: Stock a case of each of several canned meats, cases of canned
>> veggies, and half a dozen cases of water for the next time. I you
>> have propane, stock up on Ramen. Half a can of veggies/meat and a
>> Ramen makes a hearty stew for. I toss the MSG "flavor packet" and use
>> bouillon, garlic, and pepper, mostly. It ain't a $15 gov't MRE, but
>> it's not half bad.
>
>
>
>
> I ate a lot of cold cans of chili, stew, vegetables and a few snacks
>that were on hand. There was no propane for the stove, but the nearest
>McDonalds had arranged for backup power, and had a fell reefer truck
>full of food in the parking lot so they stayed open with a limited menu.
>I had one hot meal each day, after leaving the Special Needs Hurricane
>Shelter. Three days and two nights were more than enough for me. The
>county had replaced their old folding beds with cheap camping cots that
>weren't wide enough for a teenager, let alone an old man. I couldn't get
>to my feet, without help.

Were people there easily volunteering to help you, I hope? I can't
imagine having to hole up and try to sleep in a shelter after a storm,
with people making noise 24/7. Glad you survived it, Mikey.

>They had some better beds, but some some
>greedy jerks had demanded them and left those that needed one to do without.

Can't live with 'em, can't shoot 'em. Pity. Wouldn't the PTBs do
anything, or was it politicized there, too?

> I normally have 200 to 400 cans of food on hand at all times. I buy
>canned goods by the tray. I had bought 144 cans of soup a couple years
>ago. I've used about 2/3 of them.

Good. Yeah, one has to cycle through them and restock as they do.

I take it that you're back at home and it's in fair shape?

[Michael A Terrell]

Finding the trucks is easy. It's the other $%^&*( BS that Florida
pulls that sours the deals. Florida has no state income tax, so the
screw you every other way that they can dream up. Like when their
'impact fee' on out of state vehicles was declared illegal, they simply
averaged what they expected to take in, and added that to the tag fees.

>> didn't have a poer tailgate or ramp, so the guy wanted $2000 for the
>> 2001 F350. The problems were: It was titled out of state, so it had
>> to be taken to the county tax office for them to read the VIN. That
>> required insurance for a 30 day tag. The only company that bothered
>> to reply was Geico, and they wanted over $1784 a year for insurance,
>> and the county wanted $788 for the new title & tag. All that, just
>> to get the windowless aluminum 16' box for a shielded place for
>> working with RF.
>
> Get a quote from USAA if your driving record is good. You might be
> surprised.

Do they offer commercial truck insurance? I have to keep it in
drivible and insured condition, or I would be forced to have it removed
from my property.

>> Then I missed out on an 8' x 24' aluminum trailer for $1000. :(
>>
>> The third option is still open. A new 10' x16' portable shed for
>> $3000, plus a building permit. :(
>
> Add $400 to assemble it.

No, it is factory built, and delivered on a flatbed truck. That is
included in the price.

>> The Dollar Tree Sunbeam brand LED bulb is almost identical to the
>> Walmart bulb. I'm trying to find a way to open the Walmart bulbs without
>> just taking a hammer to one of them.
>
> Ooh, $tree has LED bulbs now? Gotsk to go see! Although the last
> batch of Chiwanese E19 style bulbs is working out well. 12w cool
> whites using are actually using 8W and putting out 100 incan-watts
> worth of light (only 900lm, but bright) and lasting years now. At the
> same wattage, cool whites look a lot brighter to me than those
> pissyella warm white bulbs.
>
> P.S: If 4 broke, take a hammer to one. Then you can find out how to
> finesse the others apart.

I was thinking about a jig to hold the bulb, and make small slits in the
part closest to the base, to see if I can pop the tops off without
damage. If I take a hammer to them, I will simply modify them to run off
12VDC.

[Michael A Terrell]

Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:08:49 -0400, Michael A Terrell
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>
>>> Michael A Terrell wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I had six gallon jugs of distilled water on hand for cooking, and
>>>> 16 two liter bottles of fake Diet Mountain Dew when Irma hit. The
>>>> gallon jugs were 87 cents each, and the diet soda were 75 cents,
>>>> each. I also had 20 cans of Spam. :)
>>>
>>> P.S: Stock a case of each of several canned meats, cases of canned
>>> veggies, and half a dozen cases of water for the next time. I you
>>> have propane, stock up on Ramen. Half a can of veggies/meat and a
>>> Ramen makes a hearty stew for. I toss the MSG "flavor packet" and use
>>> bouillon, garlic, and pepper, mostly. It ain't a $15 gov't MRE, but
>>> it's not half bad.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I ate a lot of cold cans of chili, stew, vegetables and a few
>> snacks that were on hand. There was no propane for the stove, but

>> the nearest McDonald's had arranged for backup power, and had a fell

>> reefer truck full of food in the parking lot so they stayed open
>> with a limited menu. I had one hot meal each day, after leaving the
>> Special Needs Hurricane Shelter. Three days and two nights were more
>> than enough for me. The county had replaced their old folding beds
>> with cheap camping cots that weren't wide enough for a teenager, let
>> alone an old man. I couldn't get to my feet, without help.
>
> Were people there easily volunteering to help you, I hope? I can't
> imagine having to hole up and try to sleep in a shelter after a storm,
> with people making noise 24/7. Glad you survived it, Mikey.

Most of the disabled had brought a caretaker with them. There were some
county health workers there, as well. Still, it was no fun needing to
use the restroom, and having to make enough noise to wake someone else
in the room to help me. I was in a classroom at the closest high school.
They fed us, but it was what was on hand for the students. Nothing fit
for a diabetic, and the portions were for kids, not adults.

>> They had some better beds, but some some
>> greedy jerks had demanded them and left those that needed one to do without.
>
> Can't live with 'em, can't shoot 'em. Pity. Wouldn't the PTBs do
> anything, or was it politicized there, too?

They weren't on site. The county was trying to shelter residents,
and people who had fled north, and got stranded. I-75 was closed often
due to accidents, so the traffic was detoured to old state highways.
That caused the local gas stations tro be out of fuel by the time they
even opened local shelters.

>> I normally have 200 to 400 cans of food on hand at all times. I buy
>> canned goods by the tray. I had bought 144 cans of soup a couple
>> years ago. I've used about 2/3 of them.
>
> Good. Yeah, one has to cycle through them and restock as they do.
>
> I take it that you're back at home and it's in fair shape?

What I've looked at is OK, but someone stole the battery out of my
mower, and I can't see the backs of a couple roofs. I have tried several
times to find a new battery, but I'm not going to pay $75 for a $20
lawnmower battery.

[Larry Jaques]

On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 12:02:11 -0400, Michael A Terrell

Some pics of mine:
http://tinyurl.com/yd4v52h7 3-4w (early)
http://tinyurl.com/y85eard2 9w-15w spots (mid buy)
http://tinyurl.com/yafj66h6 12w bulb (recent buy)
http://tinyurl.com/y7s3fl8t 18w 12VDC emergency light bulbs

Most of my metal ones easily unscrew, but those which have plastic
bases have snap-on domes. Half were in 2 pieces when they arrived,
probably from being on the bottom half of the shipping container
during shipping. I think China subsidizes these and they just tip 'em
up and fill to the brim, then close the doors and ship. <g>

[Larry Jaques]

On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 12:15:11 -0400, Michael A Terrell

I'd have snagged a pop bottle really quickly. Or drank my water and
refilled the bottle. But that's only OK for #1.

>in the room to help me. I was in a classroom at the closest high school.
>They fed us, but it was what was on hand for the students. Nothing fit
>for a diabetic, and the portions were for kids, not adults.

Awshit.

>>> They had some better beds, but some some
>>> greedy jerks had demanded them and left those that needed one to do without.
>>
>> Can't live with 'em, can't shoot 'em. Pity. Wouldn't the PTBs do
>> anything, or was it politicized there, too?
>
>
> They weren't on site. The county was trying to shelter residents,
>and people who had fled north, and got stranded. I-75 was closed often
>due to accidents, so the traffic was detoured to old state highways.
>That caused the local gas stations tro be out of fuel by the time they
>even opened local shelters.

The beds weren't onsite?!?

>>> I normally have 200 to 400 cans of food on hand at all times. I buy
>>> canned goods by the tray. I had bought 144 cans of soup a couple
>>> years ago. I've used about 2/3 of them.
>>
>> Good. Yeah, one has to cycle through them and restock as they do.
>>
>> I take it that you're back at home and it's in fair shape?
>
>
> What I've looked at is OK, but someone stole the battery out of my
>mower, and I can't see the backs of a couple roofs. I have tried several
>times to find a new battery, but I'm not going to pay $75 for a $20
>lawnmower battery.

I'm glad you didn't lose all your tron tools/scopes and stuff.

Ebay is your friend. I got 5ah 12v (for my emer flashlights) for $16
delivered. Riding mower batteries are $20 on sale here at BiMart.
Crapsman mower batteries are $31 delivered from an Ebay vendor. Also
try Freecycle and Craigslist which might be sources for free cores if
not usable batteries.

[Michael A Terrell]

Kind of hard to do when I couldn't even sit up, on the crappy cot.

>> in the room to help me. I was in a classroom at the closest high school.
>> They fed us, but it was what was on hand for the students. Nothing fit
>> for a diabetic, and the portions were for kids, not adults.
>
> Awshit.
>
>
>>>> They had some better beds, but some some
>>>> greedy jerks had demanded them and left those that needed one to do without.
>>>
>>> Can't live with 'em, can't shoot 'em. Pity. Wouldn't the PTBs do
>>> anything, or was it politicized there, too?
>>
>>
>> They weren't on site. The county was trying to shelter residents,
>> and people who had fled north, and got stranded. I-75 was closed often
>> due to accidents, so the traffic was detoured to old state highways.
>> That caused the local gas stations tro be out of fuel by the time they
>> even opened local shelters.
>
> The beds weren't onsite?!?

They were trucked to the school from a County warehouse by prisoners
and the Sheriff's department.

>>>> I normally have 200 to 400 cans of food on hand at all times. I buy
>>>> canned goods by the tray. I had bought 144 cans of soup a couple
>>>> years ago. I've used about 2/3 of them.
>>>
>>> Good. Yeah, one has to cycle through them and restock as they do.
>>>
>>> I take it that you're back at home and it's in fair shape?
>>
>>
>> What I've looked at is OK, but someone stole the battery out of my
>> mower, and I can't see the backs of a couple roofs. I have tried several
>> times to find a new battery, but I'm not going to pay $75 for a $20
>> lawnmower battery.
>
> I'm glad you didn't lose all your tron tools/scopes and stuff.

The mower was in the driveway. I had just got it rrunning properly, and
I had it covered with a tarp and weights.

> Ebay is your friend. I got 5ah 12v (for my emer flashlights) for $16
> delivered. Riding mower batteries are $20 on sale here at BiMart.
> Crapsman mower batteries are $31 delivered from an Ebay vendor. Also
> try Freecycle and Craigslist which might be sources for free cores if
> not usable batteries.

Rural King is supposed to have both types of lawn tractor batteries
in stock, but the shelf is always empty. The auto parts places want $40
for theirs, with only a 30 day warranty.

[Larry Jaques]

On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 19:12:59 -0400, Michael A Terrell

<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 12:15:11 -0400, Michael A Terrell
>> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>>> Most of the disabled had brought a caretaker with them. There were some
>>> county health workers there, as well. Still, it was no fun needing to
>>> use the restroom, and having to make enough noise to wake someone else
>>
>> I'd have snagged a pop bottle really quickly. Or drank my water and
>> refilled the bottle. But that's only OK for #1.
>
>
> Kind of hard to do when I couldn't even sit up, on the crappy cot.

Yeah, wake someone up first, if you didn't have a bottle of water.
From then on, you would have, though.

>> The beds weren't onsite?!?
>
>
> They were trucked to the school from a County warehouse by prisoners
>and the Sheriff's department.

So how did the nasty folks get them from those who actually needed
them, and why, when prompted to reclaim them, didn't the overseers do
so?

>>>>> I normally have 200 to 400 cans of food on hand at all times. I buy
>>>>> canned goods by the tray. I had bought 144 cans of soup a couple
>>>>> years ago. I've used about 2/3 of them.
>>>>
>>>> Good. Yeah, one has to cycle through them and restock as they do.
>>>>
>>>> I take it that you're back at home and it's in fair shape?
>>>
>>>
>>> What I've looked at is OK, but someone stole the battery out of my
>>> mower, and I can't see the backs of a couple roofs. I have tried several
>>> times to find a new battery, but I'm not going to pay $75 for a $20
>>> lawnmower battery.
>>
>> I'm glad you didn't lose all your tron tools/scopes and stuff.
>
>
>The mower was in the driveway. I had just got it rrunning properly, and
>I had it covered with a tarp and weights.

You're lucky the MOWER was still there after a HurriBlow. <g>
I'm so glad I don't live down there. Except during a rumble,
earthquakes are much more cordial.

>> Ebay is your friend. I got 5ah 12v (for my emer flashlights) for $16
>> delivered. Riding mower batteries are $20 on sale here at BiMart.
>> Crapsman mower batteries are $31 delivered from an Ebay vendor. Also
>> try Freecycle and Craigslist which might be sources for free cores if
>> not usable batteries.
>
>
> Rural King is supposed to have both types of lawn tractor batteries
>in stock, but the shelf is always empty. The auto parts places want $40
>for theirs, with only a 30 day warranty.

Can't you call Rural King and have them order one for you? It should
be here by the time you need to mow again.

[Michael A Terrell]

Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> Michael A Terrell wrote:
>
>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>

>>> Michael A Terrell wrote:
>
>>>> Most of the disabled had brought a caretaker with them. There
>>>> were some county health workers there, as well. Still, it was no
>>>> fun needing to use the restroom, and having to make enough noise
>>>> to wake someone else
>>>
>>> I'd have snagged a pop bottle really quickly. Or drank my water and
>>> refilled the bottle. But that's only OK for #1.
>>
>> Kind of hard to do when I couldn't even sit up, on the crappy cot.
>
> Yeah, wake someone up first, if you didn't have a bottle of water.
> From then on, you would have, though.

The school has a pair of restrooms between each pair of classrooms,
along with a pair of offices for the teachers. It looks more like a
college campus than a high school. So, once I was able to stand, it only
took a minute to get to a restroom. There was no privacy in the room,
with about 30 cots in it. The desks had been stacked in one corner, and
there was barely room to walk between the cots.

>> They were trucked to the school from a County warehouse by
>> prisoners and the Sheriff's department.
>
> So how did the nasty folks get them from those who actually needed
> them, and why, when prompted to reclaim them, didn't the overseers do
> so?

They got there ahead of me, and there was no one onsite with any
authority other than to call the Sheriff or an ambulance.

>>> I'm glad you didn't lose all your tron tools/scopes and stuff.
>>
>>

>> The mower was in the driveway. I had just got it running properly,

>> and I had it covered with a tarp and weights.
>
> You're lucky the MOWER was still there after a HurriBlow. <g>
> I'm so glad I don't live down there. Except during a rumble,
> earthquakes are much more cordial.

The last one was in 2004.

>> Rural King is supposed to have both types of lawn tractor batteries
>> in stock, but the shelf is always empty. The auto parts places want
>> $40 for theirs, with only a 30 day warranty.
>
> Can't you call Rural King and have them order one for you? It should
> be here by the time you need to mow again.

They get them by the pallet. I just can't catch them in stock. They have
over 1000 car truck and other lead acid batteries on their shelves. They
just can't seem to keep what I need in stock. They did have new steel
Ammo cans for $10.99.

The battery was taken just before the hurricane, the yard needed
mowed two months ago. Now, some of the weeds are waist high and they
have nasty burrs on them.

[Gunner Asch]

This is what we use at our house. Works rather good.

http://pdanet.co/

Just ran a speed test:

11.8

Mbps download

1.30

Mbps upload
Latency: 69 ms
Server: San, Jose_CA

Your Internet speed is typical

Your Internet connection should be able to handle streaming an HD
video. If multiple devices are streaming video at the same time, you
may run into some slowdowns.

You need "unlimited data"...which we have on our Sprint phones, at
about $69 month/each

I set up my work laptop to run on the phone and depending on
location..I can do much better than the above


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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Coleman-Stove-dual-burners-/182837002458
https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Burner-Compact-Liquid-Stove/dp/B0009PUPX8
https://www.ebay.com/itm/COLEMAN-Peak-1-FEATHER-CAMP-STOVE-400B-Backpack-Camping-Hiking-Outdoor-/222687820772
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Coleman-530-Military-Style-Camp-Stove-A-47-with-Case-NICE-/182847151382
https://www.ebay.com/itm/COLEMAN-502-PORTABLE-ONE-BURNER-COOK-STOVE-/253214582683


We have about 15 Coleman stoves on hand around here, along with
several other brands. Even the old faithful Coleman white gas stove
will run just fine on Unleaded gasoline. You will need to drain the
tank after you no longer need to use it..gasoline will jelly up pretty
badly, and having a new generator on hand..sooner or later you will
need it..but Ive run em for years on unleaded fuel with no issues.

We do keep about 15 gallons of Coleman fuel on hand...(Naptha) simply
because we can find it on sale regularly.

I use the Svea 123 stove a lot. I own about 6 of them and keep one in
my gear bags in each of my vehicles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svea_123

They too will run on unleaded but like Coleman type stoves..do need to
be cleaned by a tankful of naptha (Coleman fuel) every so often.
I like them because they are rugged as hell, work well no matter the
temperature etc etc etc.


Be sure to check WallyWorld for Coleman type fuel. Their house brand
is about 2/3rds the price and works just fine

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Crown-Camp-Fuel-Gallon/51741744
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Coleman-1-gal-Liquid-Fuel/47531141

Its only Naptha..which has a shelf life about as long as a
Twinkie,,,ie a geological epic or 2.

Propane...sucks. It may be hard to find in times of need and it doesnt
provide the same heat/light as do liquid fuel devices. And the trick
little ultralight camp stoves with the butane cartridges...stoves can
be cheap..the cartridges..fucking pricey and they run out quickly. You
are not going to fire one up on a cold morning to warm up the inside
of the tent or your kitchen.

Remember..these do put out CO..any "burning" device does..so use
appropriate location and with ventilation.

Gunner



Check second hand stores. I think the most Ive ever paid for a Coleman
stove or lantern..was $10

The Sveas were a bit more..most expensive one was $20

Check Ebay around January-March..they are begging for buyers.

And of course..the same with lanterns.... I rather like the small Peak
1 lanterns but they have less output than do the standard 1 or 2
burner lanterns...and take a smaller than standard Coleman
mantle..which can be harder to find and restock.

And with lanterns..buy mantles. They are fragile and if you bang the
lantern around..will break. They can be used if they are 2/3rds
there..but are Iffy and have huge "hot spots" if the hole in in the
upper portion of the mantle.