BREAKING=> KREMLIN CONNECTION CONFIRMED!

[raykeller]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/breaking-kremlin-connection-confirmed-podesta-paid-one-billion-rubles-russian-govt/

FINALLY â?" INVESTIGATORS UNCOVER KREMLIN CONNECTION IN 2016 US ELECTION!

Confirmedâ?" The Putin Government gave John Podesta 35 millions dollars (1
billion rubles) while he advised Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

Investigative reporter and author Peter Schweizer went on FOX and Friends to
discuss Kremlin influence on US politics â?" and how the Clinton camp was in
bed with the Putin regime.

Peter Schweizer: In 2011 John Podesta joined the board of this very small
energy company called Joule Energy based out of Massachusetts. About two
months after he joins the board a Russian entity called RUSNANO puts a
billion rubles, which is about $35 million, into John Podestaâ?Ts company.


Now, what is RUSNANO? RUSNANO is not a private company, Steve. It is a
fund directly funded by the Kremlin. In fact the Russian finance minister
called RUSNANO â?oPutinâ?Ts Child.â? So you have the Russian government
investing in one of John Podestaâ?Ts business in 2011 while he is an adviser
to Hillary Clinton at the State Department.

Steve Doocy: OK. Does anybody in the Trump circle rise to the level that
there is this kind of money involved?

Peter Schweizer: No.


And, once again, the frenzy on the left is all a disguise to hide their own
rampant corruption.

[Nicodemus]

"raykeller"
<whiney_will_have_his_nose_in_my_ass_in_3_2_1@leftards_are_loosers.com>
wrote in news:obmamr$he5$1...@dont-email.me:

>
> http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/breaking-kremlin-connection-con

I agree

[edhun...@gmail.com]

How in the hell would you know what to agree with?

This non-story was reported in October of last year, by the real media. There's nothing there, or it would have been in the real news for a month.

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[Jim Wilkins]

<edhun...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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The "real media" ignores problems they can't blame on the Right, like
this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliso_Canyon_gas_leak
"The Aliso gas leak's carbon footprint is said to be larger than the
Deepwater Horizon leak in the Gulf of Mexico."

-jsw

[John B.]

But why would a country that has has so enthusiastically interfered in
foreign elections complain about other countries interfering in
theirs?

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-us-intervention-foreign-elections-20161213-story.html
http://www.npr.org/2016/12/22/506625913/database-tracks-history-of-u-s-meddling-in-foreign-elections

"The U.S. has a long history of attempting to influence presidential
elections in other countries - it's done so as many as 81 times
between 1946 and 2000, according to a database amassed by political
scientist Dov Levin of Carnegie Mellon University.

That number doesn't include military coups and regime change efforts
following the election of candidates the U.S. didn't like, notably
those in Iran, Guatemala and Chile. Nor does it include general
assistance with the electoral process, such as election monitoring."
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Cheers,

John B.

[edhun...@gmail.com]

And who is blaming whom there, Jim? Note that there is no citation for that remark.

So what is your claim?

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[rangerssuck]

On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 6:44:19 PM UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote:

Jim, did you actually read the wikipedia page? 69 references are cited, many from the LA Times & NY Times, including the NY Times Magazine. But somehow you think it was totally ignored by the real media.

And I suppose you'll tell us next that there was no "real media" coverage of Hillary's email server.

Your guy won the election, by hook or possibly by crook. You're pissed that he's turning out to be exactly the guy many of us predicted he would be. Now that some of his people are being caught with their mitts in the cookie jar, it's not a comfortable feeling for anyone.

This is, by any measure, some pretty ugly shit.

[edhun...@gmail.com]

First of all, it's an act of war. If someone wants to go to war with the US or Russia over it, bring it on.

But note that the real complaint here is about the possibility of complicity with one of our parties. That's an act of treason, and it's the reason that the story is so hot in the US right now.

I was in my mid-20s during Watergate, and I recognize the smell of a cover-up. That's a domestic issue, and it's far bigger than the fact that the old KGB officer would meddle in US elections. It looks like the noose is tightening around some current and former members of our current administration.

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[John B.]

War is usually defined as an armed conflict, is it not? At least
according to several international sources it seems to be.

>But note that the real complaint here is about the possibility of complicity with one of our parties. That's an act of treason, and it's the reason that the story is so hot in the US right now.
>
>I was in my mid-20s during Watergate, and I recognize the smell of a cover-up. That's a domestic issue, and it's far bigger than the fact that the old KGB officer would meddle in US elections. It looks like the noose is tightening around some current and former members of our current administration.

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John B.

[edhun...@gmail.com]

Not necessarily. Webster's and Oxford both provide good contemporary definitions.

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Ed Huntress

[John B.]

Well yes. Merriam-Webster says:
A state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between
states or nations (2) : a period of such armed conflict (3) : state
of war

While the Oxford says:
A state of armed conflict between different countries or different
groups within a country.
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[edhun...@gmail.com]

Webster's also says:

a : a state of hostility, conflict, or antagonism
b : a struggle or competition between opposing forces or for a particular end a class war a war against disease

...and Oxford also says:

1.1 A state of competition or hostility between different people or groups.
‘she was at war with her parents’
count noun ‘a price war among tour operators’
More example sentences
1.2 A sustained campaign against an undesirable situation or activity.
‘the authorities are waging war against smuggling’
count noun ‘a war on drugs’

As I said, the word does not necessarily refer to armed conflict.

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Ed Huntress

[John B.]

Ah but those are depravities of the original meaning. I remember my
grandmother referring to someone as a "gay blade", probably not a
socially correct term today.

But of course, as Humpty Dumpty said, "a word means just what I choose
it to mean, neither more nor less."
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Cheers,

John B.

[Jim Wilkins]

"John B." <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Call it what you want, but you and dictionaries have no power of
enforcement. The meaningful definition of what is or isn't "war"
hinges on who is or isn't a legal combatant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_combatant

The dividing line between war and crime is whether or not enemy
combatants (and civilians) can be freely killed and captives can be
prosecuted for their actions. It's still a grey area that the trials
after WW2 didn't fully resolve. This was one of the crucial decisions:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/juddoeni.asp

The US had found identical submarine warfare against Japan too
valuable to risk restricting it.

There may be little or no distinction between freedom fighters and
bandits/terrorists. The winner gets to decide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetniks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

The legal justifications for war are called "Casus belli"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casus_belli

Although in practice any insult may serve
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Jenkins%27_Ear
http://www.history.com/news/ask-history/what-was-the-zimmermann-telegram

That's what I can do on dial-up.
-jsw

[John B.]

On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 13:49:05 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>

Damned spelling checker.... "derivative"

[edhun...@gmail.com]

Actually not, John. It's the other way around.

Look up the origins of the word. It's derived from something like "dispute," or "quarrel."

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=war

It still carries those meanings today, as evidenced by the Webster's (American) and Oxford (English) definitions I posted above. And it's used that way, commonly.

I think you've assumed that those uses are just hyperbolic; sometimes, they are. But not by people who are careful with words.

In any case, it's not worth a war of words. d8-)

> I remember my
> grandmother referring to someone as a "gay blade", probably not a
> socially correct term today.
>
> But of course, as Humpty Dumpty said, "a word means just what I choose
> it to mean, neither more nor less."

Remember, when Lewis Carroll wrote that, it was to illustrate that Humpty Dumpty was an insecure fuck-up. <g>

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Ed Huntress


> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

[edhun...@gmail.com]

Thanks for the definitions in legaleze, Jim. <g> How about "holographic"?

Legaleze is a language unto itself -- a collection of interlocutory usages, so to speak. d8-)


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Ed Huntress

[Ignoramus14946]

I also have a Kremlin connection, I visited Kremlin about 35 years ago.

[Martin Eastburn]

Cold war was real and was a nasty series of years.
Martin - lived through it.

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 21:36:17 -0500, Martin Eastburn
<lion...@consolidated.net> wrote:

>Cold war was real and was a nasty series of years.
>Martin - lived through it.
>
>
>On 4/1/2017 7:59 AM, edhun...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 3:36:41 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:

Most of us here, did.


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[Terry Coombs]

I remember those years too . Duck and cover , then kiss your ass goodby ,
because we had an AF base 60 miles south , the Minuteman missile plant 35
miles west , and a major supply depot 35 miles south of us . To quote Bob
Dylan , "If the button is pushed , ain't no runnin' away ." The entire Salt
Lake Valley would have been scrubbed clean of all life .
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[David R. Birch]

That was Barry McGuire in "the Eve of Destruction".

David

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[Terry Coombs]

Dylan did that tune too ... I'm listening to it as I type .
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[Rudy Canoza]

On 3/31/2017 12:32 PM, raykeller wrote:
> http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/breaking-kremlin-connection-confirmed-podesta-paid-one-billion-rubles-russian-govt/

Fake news. Everything in gatewaypundit is fake news.

Podesta is a registered agent for foreign interests.

[James Waldby]

On Tue, 04 Apr 2017 14:49:34 -0500, Terry Coombs wrote:
> David R. Birch wrote:
>> On 4/4/2017 7:27 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:

...

>>> I remember those years too . Duck and cover , then kiss your ass
>>> goodby , because we had an AF base 60 miles south , the Minuteman
>>> missile plant 35 miles west , and a major supply depot 35 miles
>>> south of us . To quote Bob Dylan , "If the button is pushed , ain't
>>> no runnin' away ." The entire Salt Lake Valley would have been
>>> scrubbed clean of all life .
>>
>> That was Barry McGuire in "the Eve of Destruction".

> Dylan did that tune too ... I'm listening to it as I type .

I haven't seen any credible evidence that Dylan covered it. There
are several youtubes, eg <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QVIcwiTaww>
blatantly in error -- playing McGuire's recording with pictures of
Bob Dylan as the video -- and several lyrics sites also blatantly
in error, like the following four that mis-attribute the lyrics.
<http://www.metrolyrics.com/eve-of-destruction-lyrics-bob-dylan.html>
<http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/bob+dylan/eve+of+destruction_20807550.html>
<https://www.lyricsbox.com/bob-dylan-eve-of-destruction-lyrics-w66j226.html>
<http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Eve-of-Destruction-lyrics-Bob-Dylan/D828DED5423CDAF748256C0E0007594A>

However, the song is by P. F. Sloan, with most-known recording by
Barry McGuire. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_of_Destruction_(song)>

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[Terry Coombs]

It's possible that someone attributed this tune to Dylan when it wasn't
him ... but I've had this copy for years and it says Bob Dylan did it . And
I was listenin' to the radio in '65 when Barry made it big ... anlong with
Henson Cargill and a host of other bands that have fallen by the way .
Remember Tommy James and The Shondells ?
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Snag

[rbowman]

If there is one thing liberals know about it's fake news...It's fun
watching MSNBC trying to spin dry that Rice bitch.

[edhun...@gmail.com]

And what are you doing watching MSNBC? Have you given up on listening to the toadies on Fox?

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[Rudy Canoza]

On 4/4/2017 7:05 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On 04/04/2017 02:06 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 3/31/2017 12:32 PM, raykeller wrote:
>>> http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/breaking-kremlin-connection-confirmed-podesta-paid-one-billion-rubles-russian-govt/
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Fake news. Everything in gatewaypundit is fake news.
>>
>> Podesta is a registered agent for foreign interests.
>>
>
> If there is one thing liberals know about it's fake news

Sorry, no. The vast majority of bona fide fake news sites are on the
far right.

[Gunner]

On Tue, 4 Apr 2017 19:49:01 -0700, Rudy Canoza <c...@philhendrie.con>
wrote:

Ah...look at the widdle woon blither and drool again! Isnt that
disgusting? Remember people, drugs cause that sort of mental
damage..do dont do illegal drugs. Widdle Wuddy did..now he is fucked
up for life.

Shrug.

[Mr. B1ack]

On Wed, 05 Apr 2017 11:15:37 -0700, Winston_Smith
<inv...@butterfly.net> wrote:

>ABC, CNN, MSNBC are far right sites you say? Interesting.


We've always been at war with Eastasia ..... :-)

[edhun...@gmail.com]

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

As for the real news networks listed above, they're vastly more accurate, and more ethical, than the rightard news outlets.

I've been watching a lot more Fox News lately, now that I'm retired, and I've been reading National Review. Fox now has a split personality -- fairly good stuff from Chris Wallace and a couple of others, and stupid buffoonery from Hannity and that ilk. They seem to be reeling from losing two or their stars (Greta and Megyn) to MSNBC and NBC. Greta Van Susteren is doing her same old thing, very well, and she fits in to her MSNBC slot perfectly. We'll see what Megyn Kelly does.

Meantime, I read National Review for a couple of decades, when Bill Buckley was editor and then when George Will was a staff editor. It was one of the best standard bearers for serious conservatism ever. Now, it's a piece of crap, written mostly by ideological nincompoops, punctuated with a few good articles from time to time by real, quality conservative writers.

There isn't anything published or broadcast from the right side of the spectrum that seems to be based consistently on real journalism and fact-checking. Their idea of journalism is the "gottcha" and hyped-up headlines, which rarely are supported by the stories under them. Meantime, MSNBC, whose ratings have gone through the roof since Trump was elected, is setting a far higher standard for accuracy and facts than even the majors.

You ought to look around more an see what's going on in the news.

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Ed Huntress

[Martin Eastburn]

Lived 5 miles from large Bomber (propellers) site then moved
within 15 miles of a major Naval Base then moved
within 10 miles of Biggs AF three wings of B52's once the B36's and
B-47's moved out. Then moved onto an Island mid Pacific that was
watched by Red Star Subs and larger nasty ships. Shooting down our
missiles and a Red Star one from time to time.

Any house was within the primary drop place by plane or missile.

Remember the hide under your desk and later stand in the hall
in case of Bomb emergency. Helped build a deep 3 90 degree concrete
corners in the way down and around to the shelter.

Martin

On 4/4/2017 7:27 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:

[Larry Jaques]

On Wed, 5 Apr 2017 21:31:15 -0500, Martin Eastburn
<lion...@consolidated.net> wrote:

>Lived 5 miles from large Bomber (propellers) site then moved
>within 15 miles of a major Naval Base then moved
>within 10 miles of Biggs AF three wings of B52's once the B36's and
>B-47's moved out. Then moved onto an Island mid Pacific that was
>watched by Red Star Subs and larger nasty ships. Shooting down our
>missiles and a Red Star one from time to time.
>
>Any house was within the primary drop place by plane or missile.

I lived on Elmendorf AFB, Great Falls Air Force Base, Maxwell AFB,
Little Rock AFB (B52s), and then Dad retired us to Vista, CA, nestled
all comfy-like between Camp Pendleton USMC base, NAS Miramar, the San
Diego Navy Base, and the San Andreas Fault. Vista was 20 miles
downwind from SONGS, the San Onofre Nuclear Generation Station. I
guess I've been in target zones, too. <g>
I only glow a little.

>Remember the hide under your desk and later stand in the hall
>in case of Bomb emergency. Helped build a deep 3 90 degree concrete
>corners in the way down and around to the shelter.

Yeah, most of us went through the Duck & Cover routines in school way
back when (50s-60s).

>Martin
>
>On 4/4/2017 7:27 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
>> Martin Eastburn wrote:
>>> Cold war was real and was a nasty series of years.
>>> Martin - lived through it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/1/2017 7:59 AM, edhun...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 3:36:41 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>>>>> War is usually defined as an armed conflict, is it not? At least
>>>>> according to several international sources it seems to be.
>>>>
>>>> Not necessarily. Webster's and Oxford both provide good contemporary
>>>> definitions.
>>
>> I remember those years too . Duck and cover , then kiss your ass goodby ,
>> because we had an AF base 60 miles south , the Minuteman missile plant 35
>> miles west , and a major supply depot 35 miles south of us . To quote Bob
>> Dylan , "If the button is pushed , ain't no runnin' away ." The entire Salt
>> Lake Valley would have been scrubbed clean of all life .
>>

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you don't need them anymore. -- Michael Patrick King

[rangerssuck]

For an interesting (and quite believable) depiction of fake news, how it is propagated, and the damage it does, watch the most recent three episodes of Homeland.