Pedestal Mounted Vise

[Bob La Londe]

I've thought about this before, but it comes to mind every time one of my two bench mounted vises is in the way, or I wish I had more room to use one of them.

Do any of you guys use a vise on a pedestal?

For my uses I would NOT want to bolt it down in one place so I'd have to make it pretty heavy. A few hundred pounds doesn't bother me to much. My concrete filled pickup wheel pedestal for my bench grinders has been working out quite nicely, but it might be a bit light for a vise.

I am also NOT thinking about a post vise, but rather a bench vise bolted to a platform on a pedestal.

Yes, I am thinking about the vise on a hitch mount with a tube under the work bench too. It would work ok on my butcher block work bench, but on the steel top bench the C-channel supporting the top would make it problematic.

Waaaadaaaayaaathink?

[Gunner Asch]

https://www.pinterest.com/galen0685/vice-stands/?lp=true
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349414

https://www.google.com/search?q=homemade+vise+stand&safe=off&sa=X&biw=1680&bih=879&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=ZC019M4XYo_8QM%253A%252CRanzPqxeeyBg6M%252C_&usg=__PwLIWaBSpYL9iHuRskVrUt_Cj1c%3D&ved=0ahUKEwjj6KDrtd3XAhVE4WMKHQoHBFsQ9QEILDAB#imgrc=_

It really depends on what you are going to do with the vise. If you
need it to simply hold stuff...it doesnt take much. If you are going
to be breaking fittings on pipe...if not done properly..it Will fall
over fairly easily.

One of my clients has a NICE Starrett 8" vice on a small 4 legged
stand..very much like a grinder stand..and it works quite well for
"normal" stuff. I was quite surprised that it didnt move or tip over
as I was using it.

All of my vises are mounted on benches or on posts...shrug..but my
floors are dirt and are not level in the slightest...so I cant use a
free standing vise.

The hitch mount idea is cool..but remember..you are now applying much
leverage to the mounting receptical on the bench..and you could
perhaps easily move it/turn it over. So be sure you make it big enough
and suitable for the job.

Gunner, with 19 vises...some of which are restored..others waiting for
time and interest.

https://goo.gl/photos/aMuWRfzyFJuc2YsT6


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[Jim Wilkins]

"Bob La Londe" <alarm_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I'd look into the suitability of a pipe vise tripod stand. Threading
and unscrewing pipe are the most demanding jobs I use my bench vise
for.
-jsw

[Bob La Londe]

Jim, My dad has a chain style pipe vise on a tripod (sorta) and its actually quite light. I can pick it up and set it in pickup bed quite easily. The third leg is on the end of a 6 foot back with a V on top and the third leg on the bottom. I think its made out of 2" conduit. Its probably close to 40 years old.

[dca...@krl.org]

On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 6:13:11 PM UTC-5, Bob La Londe wrote:

>
> Do any of you guys use a vise on a pedestal?
>
>
>

> I am also NOT thinking about a post vise, but rather a bench vise bolted to a platform on a pedestal.
>
>
>

> Waaaadaaaayaaathink?

I have two vises in the basement. One is bench mounted and it is the one I use most of the time. The other vise is bolted to a pedestal and the pedestal can be bolted to the floor. But most of the time the pedestal is not bolted to the floor. I also have a HF bender that can be mounted to the same inserts in the basement floor as well as a few other things such as a pipe vise. Well actually the pipe vise mounts to the same pedestal as the vise mounts to.

Dan

[Jim Wilkins]

"Bob La Londe" <alarm_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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==============

I did my industrial pipe fitting by brazing so I haven't personally
used a tripod-mounted pipe vise. It looks like you can stand on the
bent-out foot of the near side leg and apply all your strength to turn
a threading die handle.

I temporarily clamped a chain vise to my 400 Lb utility trailer to
thread 2" pipe and nearly flipped the trailer.

A hitch-mounted vise on my pickup was less handy than I expected
because the tail lights are too vulnerable to accidents. When I need
to clamp something large outdoors I attach a blacksmith leg vise to a
corner of a rollaround or welding table.

I've never built anything that needed a completely free-standing vise;
usually I'd rather have it next to a flat surface that supports the
work while I'm tightening the jaw.

-jsw

[Ignoramus23672]

On 2017-11-27, Jim Wilkins <murat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Bob La Londe" <alarm_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:d6d7fd01-77b3-4dd7...@googlegroups.com...
> I've thought about this before, but it comes to mind every time one of
> my two bench mounted vises is in the way, or I wish I had more room to
> use one of them.
>
> Do any of you guys use a vise on a pedestal?

I do. It is a part of my blacksmith shop on a steel plate.

i

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 17:17:10 -0800 (PST), Bob La Londe
<alarm_...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Jim, My dad has a chain style pipe vise on a tripod (sorta) and its actually quite light. I can pick it up and set it in pickup bed quite easily. The third leg is on the end of a 6 foot back with a V on top and the third leg on the bottom. I think its made out of 2" conduit. Its probably close to 40 years old.

I have several of these:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41b9wGhxtCL._SY450_.jpg

They work good for what they are. But wrenching a pipe threader
around can move them.

I picked up one of these not long ago...

https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/700-power-drive

and it will..will lift the unit in a flash if one has the threader on
the wrong side of the pipe...or if one isnt scrupulous about thread
clearing before backing off the thread.

Btw...anyone have a 3/4" die to fit one of these? I sorely need one.


Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 18:28:58 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 17:17:10 -0800 (PST), Bob La Londe
><alarm_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Jim, My dad has a chain style pipe vise on a tripod (sorta) and its actually quite light. I can pick it up and set it in pickup bed quite easily. The third leg is on the end of a 6 foot back with a V on top and the third leg on the bottom. I think its made out of 2" conduit. Its probably close to 40 years old.
>
>
>I have several of these:
>
>https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41b9wGhxtCL._SY450_.jpg
>
>They work good for what they are. But wrenching a pipe threader
>around can move them.
>
>I picked up one of these not long ago...
>
>https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/700-power-drive
>
>and it will..will lift the unit in a flash if one has the threader on
>the wrong side of the pipe...or if one isnt scrupulous about thread
>clearing before backing off the thread.
>
>Btw...anyone have a 3/4" die to fit one of these? I sorely need one.
>
>
>Gunner
>

Btw...I have several of these if anyone needs a spare, including one
for IRRC...6" pipe.

[Jim Wilkins]

<dca...@krl.org> wrote in message
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=============================

Instead of drilling the concrete for a permanent pedestal I mounted my
HF bender on a rolling table with sockets to insert a long pipe handle
to pull against. The long end of the piece being bent can remain
supported while the whole bender swivels.

The table top is drilled to mount several sheet metal bench tools, and
inverts on trunnions to bring up a corner notcher.
-jsw

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 18:32:49 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 18:28:58 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 17:17:10 -0800 (PST), Bob La Londe
>><alarm_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Jim, My dad has a chain style pipe vise on a tripod (sorta) and its actually quite light. I can pick it up and set it in pickup bed quite easily. The third leg is on the end of a 6 foot back with a V on top and the third leg on the bottom. I think its made out of 2" conduit. Its probably close to 40 years old.
>>
>>
>>I have several of these:
>>
>>https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41b9wGhxtCL._SY450_.jpg
>>
>>They work good for what they are. But wrenching a pipe threader
>>around can move them.
>>
>>I picked up one of these not long ago...
>>
>>https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/700-power-drive
>>
>>and it will..will lift the unit in a flash if one has the threader on
>>the wrong side of the pipe...or if one isnt scrupulous about thread
>>clearing before backing off the thread.
>>
>>Btw...anyone have a 3/4" die to fit one of these? I sorely need one.
>>
>>
>>Gunner
>>
>
>Btw...I have several of these if anyone needs a spare, including one
>for IRRC...6" pipe.

Whoops! Sorry..

https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/bench-yoke-vises

[Pete Keillor]

My vise is a 5" Wilton machinist vise on a pedestal bolted to the
floor. The wheeled welding table / work bench is next to it most of
the time. The pedestal is 6" square tube. I like the setup. Nice
and stiff, good for filing, holding rifles for cleaning, and pretty
much anything I need a vise for.

Pete Keillor

[dca...@krl.org]

On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 10:20:50 PM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> =============================
>
> Instead of drilling the concrete for a permanent pedestal I mounted my
> HF bender on a rolling table with sockets to insert a long pipe handle

> to pull against. . -jsw.

You misinterpreted what I did. The pedestal is not permanent. In fact the inserts in the concrete floor are deliberately placed in a area I walk thru. This ensures there is always a clear area around where the pedestal can be bolted to the floor.

Dan

[Larry Jaques]

Yeah, I remember the pics of that big boy. Bob wouldn't be moving that
around too much without a forklift. LOL

--
Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds
are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her
tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the
existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
-- Thomas Jefferson

[rangerssuck]

I second the suggestion of a tripod pipe vise. I spent most of last weekend cutting and threading pipe, and the Ridgid vise I rented was worth every penny. Solid as a rock, and folds up relatively small.

[Larry Jaques]

I considered doing that at one time, but I felt that too many of my
machines were either too heavy or too tall for a flip mounting. This
setup seems to challenge that thought, though.
https://www.thewoodwhisperer.com//wp-content/uploads/flipflop09.jpg


5000 Lb. Capacity Step Bumper Receiver https://is.gd/m5hnmC
I'm starting to look that direction, too, but have been considering
mounting my HF receiver hitch mount on the assembly table. I like the
concept of mounting the bench bender rotated 90-degrees on the end of
the table and using the tabletop as a brace while doing bends on the
end of long stock. It'd really help maintain bend accuracy.

The receiver might be the way to go with my 12" tabletop style wood
planer, as well. I mounted my little 1.75T winch on a receiver tube
and it works well on the truck.

I wonder who has the best price on 2" x .068" square tube.

Back to Bob's request. I tend to get rambunctious with things mounted
in my vise, so I much prefer a solid bench mounting. Ridgid's tripod
setup seems to have the feet you could stand on, but it's lightweight
and portable. You referred Bob to a tripod mount, like this?
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41cH-3y1mJL._SY355_.jpg

[Jim Wilkins]

"Larry Jaques" <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote in message
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> ...

I mounted the corner notcher opposite an HF bender or Enco 8" shear,
and a small table saw opposite a belt/disk sander. Both sides are
similar enough in size and weight. I have to plan to complete all the
work with one machine before changing to another, but I grew up using
a Shopsmith and have a 1" belt sander for deburring sharp edges
between operations.

I didn't combine one wood with one metal working machine because the
saw and sander share a motor and outboard supports, and the sheet
metal machines all need the long pipe handle to pull against. Also I
push fairly lightly to feed into the saw and need it stationary, off
the wheels, while I pull hard on the sheet metal machine handles and
would rather they roll than tip over.

My jointer and 10" wood planer remain separate, mostly because their
outboard supports are tedious to align for 8' and 12' planks from my
sawmill. The planer stores under the jointer.
-jsw

[Jim Wilkins]

<dca...@krl.org> wrote in message
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I was unclear, I meant that the floor inserts would be permanent. What
do you plug them with?
-jsw

[Mike Spencer]

Bob La Londe <alarm_...@hotmail.com> writes:

> Do any of you guys use a vise on a pedestal?=20
> [snip]
> Waaaadaaaayaaathink?

I have five vices -- bench, 2 leg, pattern maker's, cabinet maker's --
permanently mounted on benches.

The 8" leg vice is firmly bolted, via the usual band & wedge device,
to a piece of heavy-wall 4x4 HSS. The HSS post and the foot of the
vice stand in sockets welded to the center of a 4'x4' piece of 1/4"
plate.

The vice, even without the attached post, is too heavy for me to lift,
as is the plate. But it's easy to pick up first the vice and then the
plate with a garden variety rolling engine hoist and prop them in a
corner when the space but not the vice is needed.

The plate and socket are heavy/sturdy enough that hammering, twisting
and wrenching don't move the vice.


--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

[Leon Fisk]

You can't have too many vises, that's what I think :)

I've got a 60lb 5 inch on a two wheel plus one leg stand and another one
mounted to a custom 2 inch receiver. I made the latter so I could
take/have a nice vise with me at the old heated shop where I worked on
weekends. My truck had 10,000 lb hitches on both the front and rear it
could slip into. The shop vise at work was utter rubbish!

Another 5 inch and a 3 inch bolted to seldom used benches.

A 3.5 inch mounted to my small movable welding stand. That turned out
really nice. Dad scrounged it years ago and we added to it.
Originally a car rim on the bottom, around 4x4 inch tube with a 9/16
narrow rectangular plate on top. Dad had me weld three angle iron legs
to the rim so it wouldn't be all tipsy. I drilled half a dozen holes
through the top for bolt mount vise grips when I added the vise. Works
really nice for holding small things for welding and grinding.

The big 60lb vise is mounted to around a 3 ft x 10 in x 1 in plate on
top of two heavy pipe posts at either end. The vise end has maybe 2.5
ft channel iron at the bottom with wheels on either end. The other pipe
is just welded to a plate at the bottom. Another channel iron spreader
goes between the two posts at the bottom. It is quite stable, yet easy
to move around.

I have a few other small, special purpose vises around too :)

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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[Jim Wilkins]

"Mike Spencer" <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote in message
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How does a leg vise compare to a machinist's vise for clamping objects
with parallel surfaces such as pipe fittings?

The leg vise I found seems more suited to holding manually ground
weldments than machined parts since the jaws are never really
parallel. I don't do a significant amount of forging or hot bending
because I don't have a good safe place for the fire, or the artistic
talent for ornamental iron work. 1/2" and 3/4" conduit benders are
enough for most of the bending I do for structural parts like solar
panel supports.

This works well for bending angle brackets:
http://www.eastwood.com/4-inch-metal-bender.html
I don't have a bench strong and heavy enough for it so I clamp it to a
log splitter I beam.
-jsw

[dca...@krl.org]

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 10:40:57 PM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> <dca...@krl.org> wrote in message

>
> I was unclear, I meant that the floor inserts would be permanent. What
> do you plug them with?
> -jsw

The inserts are for 3/4 inch bolts. I do not plug them with anything. They do not seem to fill up with trash, but should be able to be cleared with a shop vac

Dan

[Leon Fisk]

You must be married. Here they would be full in less than a month. Even
faster if I walked by them regularly ;-)

I should take some pictures of my setups but it would be a job in
itself to clear and or move them to a suitable spot. I think "clutter"
should have been my middle name...

[Larry Jaques]

On 28 Nov 2017 03:06:07 -0400, Mike Spencer

<m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

>
>Bob La Londe <alarm_...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>> Do any of you guys use a vise on a pedestal?=20
>> [snip]
>> Waaaadaaaayaaathink?
>
>I have five vices -- bench, 2 leg, pattern maker's, cabinet maker's --
>permanently mounted on benches.

Ooh, got an EMMERT turtleback type 4 patternmakers vise? (gains
reverent look) http://www.mprime.com/Emmert/index.htm
<cue cathedral pipe organ> https://is.gd/pOIJ7p

>The 8" leg vice is firmly bolted, via the usual band & wedge device,
>to a piece of heavy-wall 4x4 HSS. The HSS post and the foot of the
>vice stand in sockets welded to the center of a 4'x4' piece of 1/4"
>plate.

8" leg? That's a huge vise.

>The vice, even without the attached post, is too heavy for me to lift,
>as is the plate. But it's easy to pick up first the vice and then the
>plate with a garden variety rolling engine hoist and prop them in a
>corner when the space but not the vice is needed.

Do you roll the cherry picker over the plate, then lift 2" off the
ground under the legs, to move it? That's a heavy chunk of iron!

>The plate and socket are heavy/sturdy enough that hammering, twisting
>and wrenching don't move the vice.

I'll bet. Pretty cool. In a hurricane, it'd surely hold the house
down, keeping it from blowing away.

--
Silence is more musical than any song.
-- Christina Rossetti

[Leon Fisk]

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 07:08:45 -0800
Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:

<snip>

>>On 28 Nov 2017 03:06:07 -0400, Mike Spencer
>><m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>
>>The 8" leg vice is firmly bolted, via the usual band & wedge device,
>>to a piece of heavy-wall 4x4 HSS. The HSS post and the foot of the
>>vice stand in sockets welded to the center of a 4'x4' piece of 1/4"
>>plate.
>
>8" leg? That's a huge vise.

I rather like this one:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BYn8XSJDuiU/

or this slightly bigger one:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BaAZVc-D3uq/

There are some amazing old tools still out there :)

[dca...@krl.org]

On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 9:25:53 AM UTC-5, Leon Fisk wrote:


>
> You must be married. Here they would be full in less than a month. Even
> faster if I walked by them regularly ;-)
>
> I should take some pictures of my setups but it would be a job in
> itself to clear and or move them to a suitable spot. I think "clutter"
> should have been my middle name...
>
> --
> Leon Fisk

You guessed right. I am married. Will be 59 years in June.

If the inserts were near a wall, they would fill up fa> Leon Fiskirly quickly. But they are in a pathway, not an area where I normally work.

Dan

[Gunner Asch]

Oh be still my heart!! Now I have a woodie!!

(Grin)

[Ignoramus26257]

i have a similar vise in my blacksmith forge.

https://www.machinerymoverschicago.com/blog/Blacksmith-Forge/

[Larry Jaques]

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 14:44:51 -0400, Leon Fisk
<lf...@no.spam.iserv.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 07:08:45 -0800
>Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:
>
><snip>
>>>On 28 Nov 2017 03:06:07 -0400, Mike Spencer
>>><m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>>
>>>The 8" leg vice is firmly bolted, via the usual band & wedge device,
>>>to a piece of heavy-wall 4x4 HSS. The HSS post and the foot of the
>>>vice stand in sockets welded to the center of a 4'x4' piece of 1/4"
>>>plate.
>>
>>8" leg? That's a huge vise.
>
>I rather like this one:
>
>https://www.instagram.com/p/BYn8XSJDuiU/

Find the past 25 owners and give them each 10 lashes for the abuse.

>or this slightly bigger one:
>
>https://www.instagram.com/p/BaAZVc-D3uq/
>
>There are some amazing old tools still out there :)

Ooh, those are _sweet_, and oh-so crisply edged! Are those about 2'
tall?

Thank God for tool porn.

[Mike Spencer]

"Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> writes:

> "Mike Spencer" <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote in message
> news:87induu...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere...
>

>> The 8" leg vice is firmly bolted, via the usual band & wedge
>> device, to a piece of heavy-wall 4x4 HSS. The HSS post and the
>> foot of the vice stand in sockets welded to the center of a 4'x4'
>> piece of 1/4" plate.

> How does a leg vise compare to a machinist's vise for clamping objects
> with parallel surfaces such as pipe fittings?

Where parallel jaws are critical, not well. I do have a machinist's
vise.

For when they're desirable but not critical, I usually have temporary,
slip-in 3/16" aluminum inserts over the jaws that add a little
forgiveness. Use them most of the time unless having the sharp edge
of the iron jaw is important for something.

> The leg vise I found seems more suited to holding manually ground
> weldments than machined parts since the jaws are never really
> parallel.

Just so.

> I don't do a significant amount of forging or hot bending
> because I don't have a good safe place for the fire, or the artistic
> talent for ornamental iron work.

Forging is mostly what I do except for general repairs around the
place. And the bench-mounted 6" leg vise suffices for most of that.

> This works well for bending angle brackets:
> http://www.eastwood.com/4-inch-metal-bender.html
> I don't have a bench strong and heavy enough for it so I clamp it to a
> log splitter I beam.

[Mike Spencer]

Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> writes:

> On 28 Nov 2017 03:06:07 -0400, Mike Spencer
> <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>> I have five vices -- bench, 2 leg, pattern maker's, cabinet maker's --
>> permanently mounted on benches.
>
> Ooh, got an EMMERT turtleback type 4 patternmakers vise? (gains
> reverent look) http://www.mprime.com/Emmert/index.htm
> <cue cathedral pipe organ> https://is.gd/pOIJ7p

No, sorry. This looks pretty much like a machinist's bench vise except:

+ No jaw inserts
+ Contact area for the jaws is much larger than usual.
+ Jaws are much taller then usual, tapering toward the top, giving
clearance to file at a steep angle.
+ No swivel base.

>> The 8" leg vice is firmly bolted, via the usual band & wedge device,
>> to a piece of heavy-wall 4x4 HSS. The HSS post and the foot of the
>> vice stand in sockets welded to the center of a 4'x4' piece of 1/4"
>> plate.
>
> 8" leg? That's a huge vise.

Just so. I saw three in the maintainance shop at the old underground
coal mine in Stellarton. The guy who bought the biz bulldozed the
entire shop and sent it for scrap when he couldn't get urban collector
price for for the old gear -- asked $250K IIRC. They used the vices
to hold the ancient pneumatic drills that kept failing. (See the 1910
Brittanica under coal mining for pics of such drills in use.)

Some years later I heard about this vise and drove 200 miles to get it,
another smaller leg vise and a Continental engine that I never could
get needed parts for.

>> The vice, even without the attached post, is too heavy for me to lift,
>> as is the plate. But it's easy to pick up first the vice and then the
>> plate with a garden variety rolling engine hoist and prop them in a
>> corner when the space but not the vice is needed.
>

> Do you roll the cherry picker over the plate...

Yes. Not a powered basket cherry picker, just a manual push-around
lift/hoist. Old guy, y'know? Picking heavy stuff up off the floor is
no longer my thing.

> ...then lift 2" off the ground under the legs, to move it? That's a
> heavy chunk of iron!

I don't get that. Have to lift the vise/post assembly ca. 4" to get
the post out of the socket. The plate has a 2" hole near one edge.
Lift with a pry bar, get a chain hook into it, pick it up.

>> The plate and socket are heavy/sturdy enough that hammering, twisting
>> and wrenching don't move the vice.
>
> I'll bet. Pretty cool. In a hurricane, it'd surely hold the house
> down, keeping it from blowing away.

Present shop has a concrete floor. Could blow down *around* the vise.
Original shop was too small to hold such a rig, had a 6" leg vise
outside.

http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/temp/shed.html

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 18:14:43 -0600, Ignoramus26257
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.26257.invalid> wrote:

>i have a similar vise in my blacksmith forge.
>
>https://www.machinerymoverschicago.com/blog/Blacksmith-Forge/

Nice!! Very nice!

I have (2) about that size..both need restoration, mostly sand
blasting, paint and new jaw inserts.


https://photos.app.goo.gl/T1Hz7TNulycMHbFX2

https://photos.app.goo.gl/P4wH1eKNYkAblWgY2

I hope both of mine come out close to that nice.

[Leon Fisk]

On 29 Nov 2017 03:36:37 -0400
Mike Spencer <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

<snip>

>> Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> writes:
>> Do you roll the cherry picker over the plate...
>
>Yes. Not a powered basket cherry picker, just a manual push-around
>lift/hoist. Old guy, y'know? Picking heavy stuff up off the floor is
>no longer my thing.

A cool old cherry picker would be nice too:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BaVVdsbjMod/

The vise below is foot operated, built similar to leg vises. The second
slide is a video. When watching I thought the front jaw insert was
loose but now I think it is deliberate to allow the jaw to stay aligned
with its mate. One could probably do something similar for the leg
vises...

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bb7H9o7jzRq/

[Mike Spencer]

Leon Fisk <lf...@no.spam.iserv.net> writes:

> The vise below is foot operated, built similar to leg vises. The second
> slide is a video. When watching I thought the front jaw insert was
> loose but now I think it is deliberate to allow the jaw to stay aligned
> with its mate. One could probably do something similar for the leg
> vises...
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/Bb7H9o7jzRq/

My browser doesn't render instagram but from your text: Does the vise
also have a ca. 4"x4" shelf-like projection? Could be a farrier's
caulking vise. They have that self-aligning jaw and treadle closure.
I had one 50 years ago but swapped it off for some other stuff.

The shelf would have held a "caulking block", a steel brick with
acute-angle grooves, used to support a freshly caulked shoe, caulk
down, when hammering on the hoof side.

I've also seen a foot operated vise in an optical repair shop but it
was an elegant precision tool, far from clunky old iron.

[Leon Fisk]

On 29 Nov 2017 12:32:30 -0400

I think that's it. Try these direct links to the static images:

https://instagram.fdet1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/t51.2885-15/e15/24126802_392312901204953_545841088636649472_n.jpg

https://instagram.fdet1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/t51.2885-15/e35/23967354_1957563537592909_3926489231198781440_n.jpg

https://instagram.fdet1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/t51.2885-15/e35/23967354_1957563537592909_3926489231198781440_n.jpg

https://instagram.fdet1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/t51.2885-15/e35/23824657_258827221312039_4187130270744313856_n.jpg

"Wiley & Russell manufacturing Co. Green River no. 3 foot vise."

Here is a direct link to the Hoist video:

https://instagram.fdet1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/vp/364d7778d3dd57bc84520bb7d9d3d031/5A216276/t50.2886-16/22633979_274288033078974_2042895649539620864_n.mp4

I have to download them myself. Don't have enough computer oomph to
watch them in the browser...

[Gunner Asch]

On 29 Nov 2017 12:32:30 -0400, Mike Spencer

<m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

>
>Leon Fisk <lf...@no.spam.iserv.net> writes:
>
>> The vise below is foot operated, built similar to leg vises. The second
>> slide is a video. When watching I thought the front jaw insert was
>> loose but now I think it is deliberate to allow the jaw to stay aligned
>> with its mate. One could probably do something similar for the leg
>> vises...
>>
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/Bb7H9o7jzRq/
>
>My browser doesn't render instagram but from your text: Does the vise
>also have a ca. 4"x4" shelf-like projection? Could be a farrier's
>caulking vise. They have that self-aligning jaw and treadle closure.
>I had one 50 years ago but swapped it off for some other stuff.
>
>The shelf would have held a "caulking block", a steel brick with
>acute-angle grooves, used to support a freshly caulked shoe, caulk
>down, when hammering on the hoof side.

Thats what it is.

>
>I've also seen a foot operated vise in an optical repair shop but it
>was an elegant precision tool, far from clunky old iron.

[Bob La Londe]

On 11/26/2017 7:12 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Bob La Londe" <alarm_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cdc07ba7-04f0-46a0...@googlegroups.com...
> Jim, My dad has a chain style pipe vise on a tripod (sorta) and its
> actually quite light. I can pick it up and set it in pickup bed
> quite easily. The third leg is on the end of a 6 foot back with a V
> on top and the third leg on the bottom. I think its made out of 2"
> conduit. Its probably close to 40 years old.
>
> ==============
>
> I did my industrial pipe fitting by brazing so I haven't personally
> used a tripod-mounted pipe vise. It looks like you can stand on the
> bent-out foot of the near side leg and apply all your strength to turn
> a threading die handle.
>
> I temporarily clamped a chain vise to my 400 Lb utility trailer to
> thread 2" pipe and nearly flipped the trailer.
>
> A hitch-mounted vise on my pickup was less handy than I expected
> because the tail lights are too vulnerable to accidents. When I need
> to clamp something large outdoors I attach a blacksmith leg vise to a
> corner of a rollaround or welding table.
>
> I've never built anything that needed a completely free-standing vise;
> usually I'd rather have it next to a flat surface that supports the
> work while I'm tightening the jaw.
>
> -jsw
>
>
>


You know I'm learning the ins and outs of a new newsreader so...

That three legged pipe vise setup was two legs angled out front. 6'
long back, with a V cut tube on top and a 3rd leg on the bottom. Very
very stable. We cut a lot of pipe and conduit and threaded a fair
amount of pipe with it in the field, and I don't ever recall an issue
with it moving around on us. I guess it made up for the lack of mass
with size. It was pretty big. Now back at the hardware store we used a
pipe drive. So much easier. You could cut and thread pipe all day with
it. Sometimes I did when a farm would send us a list of precut lengths
they wanted.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Mike Spencer" <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote in message

news:87a7z5t...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere...

>
> Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> writes:
>
>> On 28 Nov 2017 03:06:07 -0400, Mike Spencer
>> <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>
>>> I have five vices -- bench, 2 leg, pattern maker's, cabinet
>>> maker's --
>>> permanently mounted on benches.
>>
>> Ooh, got an EMMERT turtleback type 4 patternmakers vise? (gains
>> reverent look) http://www.mprime.com/Emmert/index.htm
>> <cue cathedral pipe organ> https://is.gd/pOIJ7p
>
> No, sorry. This looks pretty much like a machinist's bench vise
> except:
>
> + No jaw inserts
> + Contact area for the jaws is much larger than usual.
> + Jaws are much taller then usual, tapering toward the top, giving
> clearance to file at a steep angle.
> + No swivel base.
>

> Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/large-starrett-424-2-sheetmetal-132396735

[Mike Spencer]

Leon Fisk <lf...@no.spam.iserv.net> writes:

> On 29 Nov 2017 12:32:30 -0400
> Mike Spencer <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>> The shelf would have held a "caulking block", a steel brick with
>> acute-angle grooves, used to support a freshly caulked shoe, caulk
>> down, when hammering on the hoof side.
>

> I think that's it. Try these direct links to the static images:
>
> https://instagram.fdet1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/t51.2885-15/e15/24126802_392312901204953_545841088636649472_n.jpg

Yes, that's caulking vise, specialized for forging or welding
horseshoe caulks. Never saw one used by a proper farrier for its
proper purpose.

[Leon Fisk]

On 29 Nov 2017 16:33:12 -0400

Mike Spencer <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

>Leon Fisk <lf...@no.spam.iserv.net> writes:
>
>> On 29 Nov 2017 12:32:30 -0400
>> Mike Spencer <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>

> [...]

>>
>> I think that's it. Try these direct links to the static images:
>>
>> https://instagram.fdet1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/t51.2885-15/e15/24126802_392312901204953_545841088636649472_n.jpg
>
>Yes, that's caulking vise, specialized for forging or welding
>horseshoe caulks. Never saw one used by a proper farrier for its
>proper purpose.

Interesting. Thanks for the info. I'm up in snow country and like old
odds & ends. I've seen several different versions of caulks through
the years. My Dad use to call them sharp shod, or something that
sounded like that. He hauled logs out of the woods with a team of
horses in his younger years. If you dig around in old patents you
will find a lot of rabbit holes to explore searching on shoe caulks :)

[Larry Jaques]

On 29 Nov 2017 03:36:37 -0400, Mike Spencer

BTDT. Conti parts are as hard to find as dinosaur teeth.

>>> The vice, even without the attached post, is too heavy for me to lift,
>>> as is the plate. But it's easy to pick up first the vice and then the
>>> plate with a garden variety rolling engine hoist and prop them in a
>>> corner when the space but not the vice is needed.
>>
>> Do you roll the cherry picker over the plate...
>
>Yes. Not a powered basket cherry picker, just a manual push-around
>lift/hoist. Old guy, y'know? Picking heavy stuff up off the floor is
>no longer my thing.

Ditto here, for the most part.

>> ...then lift 2" off the ground under the legs, to move it? That's a
>> heavy chunk of iron!
>
>I don't get that. Have to lift the vise/post assembly ca. 4" to get
>the post out of the socket. The plate has a 2" hole near one edge.
>Lift with a pry bar, get a chain hook into it, pick it up.

Since my cherry picker legs are less than 4' apart, and only a few
inches off the ground, I thought yours might be the same. OK, so with
the post hole you'd have to lift it by the side, but isn't it top
heavy? Sounds ungainly, but you didn't mention rigging.

>>> The plate and socket are heavy/sturdy enough that hammering, twisting
>>> and wrenching don't move the vice.
>>
>> I'll bet. Pretty cool. In a hurricane, it'd surely hold the house
>> down, keeping it from blowing away.
>
>Present shop has a concrete floor. Could blow down *around* the vise.
>Original shop was too small to hold such a rig, had a 6" leg vise
>outside.

Nah, just tie the top corners to the assembly.


> http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/temp/shed.html

Or not, since it likely wouldn't weather a hurricane. <g>

[Larry Jaques]

On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 08:49:10 -0400, Leon Fisk
<lf...@no.spam.iserv.net> wrote:

>On 29 Nov 2017 03:36:37 -0400
>Mike Spencer <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
><snip>
>>> Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> writes:
>>> Do you roll the cherry picker over the plate...
>>
>>Yes. Not a powered basket cherry picker, just a manual push-around
>>lift/hoist. Old guy, y'know? Picking heavy stuff up off the floor is
>>no longer my thing.
>
>A cool old cherry picker would be nice too:
>
>https://www.instagram.com/p/BaVVdsbjMod/

Nice for nostalgia, but I'll keep my Chiwanese picker, thanks.
He'd do well putting some moly grease on the teeth of those gears and
some lube on the shafts. I oil old chains, too.

>The vise below is foot operated, built similar to leg vises. The second
>slide is a video. When watching I thought the front jaw insert was
>loose but now I think it is deliberate to allow the jaw to stay aligned
>with its mate. One could probably do something similar for the leg
>vises...
>
>https://www.instagram.com/p/Bb7H9o7jzRq/

I like the pair on the garage floor much better.

[Larry Jaques]

On 29 Nov 2017 03:36:37 -0400, Mike Spencer
<m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

>
>Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> writes:
>> 8" leg? That's a huge vise.
>
>Just so. I saw three in the maintainance shop at the old underground
>coal mine in Stellarton. The guy who bought the biz bulldozed the
>entire shop and sent it for scrap when he couldn't get urban collector
>price for for the old gear -- asked $250K IIRC. They used the vices
>to hold the ancient pneumatic drills that kept failing. (See the 1910
>Brittanica under coal mining for pics of such drills in use.)

Drawing and quartering for that new buyer, methinks.

[Mike Spencer]

"Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> writes:

> "Mike Spencer" <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote in message
> news:87a7z5t...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere...
>

>> This looks pretty much like a machinist's bench vise except:
>>
>> + No jaw inserts
>> + Contact area for the jaws is much larger than usual.
>> + Jaws are much taller then usual, tapering toward the top, giving
>> clearance to file at a steep angle.
>> + No swivel base.
>

> https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/large-starrett-424-2-sheetmetal-132396735

That's about it. On mine, no swivel base, the upward taper of the
jaws is more exagerated and it's probably numerous decades older than
that one.

Tnx,
--

[Mike Spencer]

Leon Fisk <lf...@no.spam.iserv.net> writes:

> Interesting. Thanks for the info. I'm up in snow country and like old
> odds & ends. I've seen several different versions of caulks through
> the years. My Dad use to call them sharp shod, or something that
> sounded like that. He hauled logs out of the woods with a team of
> horses in his younger years. If you dig around in old patents you
> will find a lot of rabbit holes to explore searching on shoe caulks :)

I once had a draught horse that was falling to his knees on ice so I
got a farrier to put shoes on him. They were old but factory made to
take drive caulks -- one end a tapered cylinder to wedge tightly into
holes in the shoe, your choice of blunt or sharp edge to the ground. I
still have the tool, rather like a small ball joint splitter, for
removing the caulks from the shoes. I once had a couple of boxes of
the drive caulks but they've gone walkies sometime in the last 50
years.

I presently have a bucket of premade (but hand made) toe caulks in 3 or
4 sizes. Each one had had a little pointy spur turned up at one
end. You could heat the shoe red hot, hammer the caulk in place. The
cold spur would drive into the hot shoe and hold the caulk in
place while you fluxed and reheated for the forge weld. Hadn't heard
of that refinement until I got the bucketfull from a retired marine
smith who also did some shoeing.

[Mike Spencer]

Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> writes:

> Since my cherry picker legs are less than 4' apart, and only a few
> inches off the ground, I thought yours might be the same.

Only a few inches off the ground but not wide or long enough to reach
the vise/post in the center of the 4'x4' plate without rolling up onto
the plate.

> OK, so with the post hole you'd have to lift it by the side, but
> isn't it top heavy? Sounds ungainly, but you didn't mention
> rigging.

The only mod to the 4'x4' plate that doesn't lift off is a ca. 4" high
square steel socket for the 4"x4" post and a smaller round one for the
vise leg welded close to the center of the plate. Picking the plate
up by the edge with the vise/post unit removed and stowed is little
different from picking up an unadorned piece of plate. The lift hole
near one edge *does* have to be centered in the edge.

[Mike Spencer]

Yes. He wasn't the only one like that. The next to last manager of a
shipyard & foundry in Liverpool, NS, would smash any gear they were
disposing of before putting it out by the rail spur to go for scrap.
Saw a perfectly good 25# Little Giant/Jardine hammer that had been
intentionally smashed before scrapping. I'm guessing the idea, left
over from pre-WW I notions of sharp business practice, was that it
would prevent anyone, perhaps especially their own employees, from
getting a leg up on competing with them.

(The good news there was that the dickhead retired (or, one can hope,
was unceremoniously shitcanned by the owners) before they disposed of
the 300# Beaudry and his replacement, the last manager before the biz
closed, did sell it to another blacksmith in good working order. It's
still in use over in the Annapolis Valley.)

Yes, half-hanged, drawn & quartered.

[Gunner Asch]

On 30 Nov 2017 00:53:43 -0400, Mike Spencer

Simply weld 4 (U) shaped bits of metal big enough to grab with the
forklift.

[Gunner Asch]

On 30 Nov 2017 01:09:52 -0400, Mike Spencer

I got aprox 5000+ lbs of welding rod once from a company maint manager
that had been told to not sell it, but to scrap it. Along with a
Bumble Bee 250 welder (Miller Dialarc 250) and a bunch of other stuff
of similar nature. As I recall...I gave 2000 lbs of that rod away to
members here.

The idea of not selling it..was to prevent it from being used in
competion to the company..who had stopped welding inhouse.
The Maint manager and I were both baffled as fuck by those
instructions....WTF??

So I fudged up a scrap company business letterhead using a bogus
name... and took delivery and hauled it all off. And was paid $250 to
remove it from the company property. Its been 12-15 yrs so far..Ive
given away at least another 1500 lbs to friends..and I still have
probably a ton of various rods, including stainless steels, hard
facing rod, cutting rods etc in my home shop inventory.

I gave that welder to someone here on RCM as I recall.

Gunner

[Jim Wilkins]

"Mike Spencer" <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote in message

news:87o9nks...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere...

I weighed the mast end of my shop crane to determine its moment and
made up a table of the equivalent hook loads for the boom extension
settings. Of course if it does tip forward the horizontal moment at
the hook increases, so iffy loads aren't raised any more than
necessary to block them up and roll the legs underneath. If they have
to be moved while raised, like unloading a truck, I chain them to the
mast to keep them from swinging forward.

Cheap accident insurance:
https://www.amazon.com/Hanging-Klau-Digital-Industrial-Measuring/dp/B00VDKXJ2W

Rebuilding a neighbor's old Curtis snow plow became much easier when I
brought over my lifting gear to align the pivot pin holes. Otherwise
they need about three husky guys with 6' crowbars to reassemble. I can
understand why the previous owner gave it away.
-jsw

[Larry Jaques]

On 30 Nov 2017 00:53:43 -0400, Mike Spencer

My confusion was that I thought you had made the thing one welded
piece.

[Ignoramus1521]

On 2017-11-29, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 18:14:43 -0600, Ignoramus26257
><ignoram...@NOSPAM.26257.invalid> wrote:
>
>>i have a similar vise in my blacksmith forge.
>>
>>https://www.machinerymoverschicago.com/blog/Blacksmith-Forge/
>
> Nice!! Very nice!
>
> I have (2) about that size..both need restoration, mostly sand
> blasting, paint and new jaw inserts.

Mine only needed sandblasting, and painting, as it was not used
much.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fsav1d1k7k2bf256v...@4ax.com...

This is a good combination of a narrow wedge end to force under the
load or between rocks and a mushroom head that doesn't snag on pockets
or buttons, the off-pavement equivalent of a Johnson bar:
https://www.harborfreight.com/17-lb-digging-bar-with-tamper-93612.html
They are meant for digging and tamping post holes, an are also useful
for cutting stump roots.
-jsw

[Larry Jaques]

I'd guess those would be a tripping hazard.

>This is a good combination of a narrow wedge end to force under the
>load or between rocks and a mushroom head that doesn't snag on pockets
>or buttons, the off-pavement equivalent of a Johnson bar:
>https://www.harborfreight.com/17-lb-digging-bar-with-tamper-93612.html
>They are meant for digging and tamping post holes, an are also useful
>for cutting stump roots.

Yes, they work well, but beat the crap out of your body, as do
clamshell post hole diggers. I did my share of that before I got
this, which I love. Gas Powered Earth Auger https://is.gd/YqVBx2

[Leon Fisk]

On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 16:20:17 -0400
Leon Fisk <lf...@no.spam.iserv.net> wrote:

<snip>
>A 3.5 inch mounted to my small movable welding stand. That turned out
>really nice. Dad scrounged it years ago and we added to it.
>Originally a car rim on the bottom, around 4x4 inch tube with a 9/16
>narrow rectangular plate on top. Dad had me weld three angle iron legs
>to the rim so it wouldn't be all tipsy. I drilled half a dozen holes
>through the top for bolt mount vise grips when I added the vise. Works
>really nice for holding small things for welding and grinding.

Had a chance to move this where I could take some pictures:

http://www.iserv.net/~lfisk/weldtable-1.jpg

http://www.iserv.net/~lfisk/weldtable-2.jpg

http://www.iserv.net/~lfisk/weldtable-3.jpg

I just slip a hand-truck underneath to move outside or walk it on two
legs. Used mostly for sharpening mower blades and small welding
projects. Really like the added vice and mounted locking plier.

The aluminum crossbar in image one is for a welding ground clamp.
I thought the aluminum to steel connection might go bad at some point
but well over 20 years now and it hasn't...

[Larry Jaques]

That's a cool little table. It looks very handy and versatile, yet
compact. 2 vises + threaded holes = nice.

--
A sound mind in a sound body is a short but full
description of a happy state in this world.
--John Locke

[Leon Fisk]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 07:11:56 -0800
Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 10:00:23 -0400, Leon Fisk
><lf...@no.spam.iserv.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 16:20:17 -0400
>>Leon Fisk <lf...@no.spam.iserv.net> wrote:
>>
>><snip>

> [...]

>>
>>Had a chance to move this where I could take some pictures:
>>
>>http://www.iserv.net/~lfisk/weldtable-1.jpg
>>
>>http://www.iserv.net/~lfisk/weldtable-2.jpg
>>
>>http://www.iserv.net/~lfisk/weldtable-3.jpg
>>
>>I just slip a hand-truck underneath to move outside or walk it on two
>>legs. Used mostly for sharpening mower blades and small welding
>>projects. Really like the added vice and mounted locking plier.
>>
>>The aluminum crossbar in image one is for a welding ground clamp.
>>I thought the aluminum to steel connection might go bad at some point
>>but well over 20 years now and it hasn't...
>
>That's a cool little table. It looks very handy and versatile, yet
>compact. 2 vises + threaded holes = nice.

The holes are stepped, not threaded so the locking plier will mount
flush to the table. I've got two of them, only one made it into the
picture. They have a loop shaped nut below. Very much like this from HF
if not the same:

https://www.harborfreight.com/9-inch-drill-press-locking-clamp-36221.html

They work really nice for holding down a mower blade while sharpening
with an angle grinder.

[Bob La Londe]

I have one of those clamps. Its mounted to one of my mini drill presses.
Unfortunately I can not mount it on my larger drill press as it has a
t-slot table.

[Bob La Londe]

NICE! Is the hole in the corner so you can use a Pritchel clamp or just
another mounting point for the locking clamp?

[Leon Fisk]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:04:16 -0700
Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99> wrote:

>On 12/14/2017 7:00 AM, Leon Fisk wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 16:20:17 -0400
>> Leon Fisk <lf...@no.spam.iserv.net> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>

> [...]

>>
>> Had a chance to move this where I could take some pictures:
>>
>> http://www.iserv.net/~lfisk/weldtable-1.jpg
>>
>> http://www.iserv.net/~lfisk/weldtable-2.jpg
>>
>> http://www.iserv.net/~lfisk/weldtable-3.jpg
>>
>> I just slip a hand-truck underneath to move outside or walk it on two
>> legs. Used mostly for sharpening mower blades and small welding
>> projects. Really like the added vice and mounted locking plier.
>>
>> The aluminum crossbar in image one is for a welding ground clamp.
>> I thought the aluminum to steel connection might go bad at some point
>> but well over 20 years now and it hasn't...
>>
>
>
>NICE! Is the hole in the corner so you can use a Pritchel clamp or just
>another mounting point for the locking clamp?

It's for a manual turn-table. Maybe a 12 inch round disk, 1/2 inch
thick with a metal post sticking out below to fit the hole. Drop the
post through a shallow bushing and then the table. Clamp your welding
ground to the post, now sticking out below. Mount your work to the disk.
Slowly turn the disk with your free hand while welding. I was always
going to adapt an old wheel roller bearing to replace the bushing but
never got around to it. Was using a MIG at the time. You could weld
completely around stuff without stopping...

[Larry Jaques]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 13:11:16 -0400, Leon Fisk

<lf...@no.spam.iserv.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 07:11:56 -0800
>Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 10:00:23 -0400, Leon Fisk
>><lf...@no.spam.iserv.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 16:20:17 -0400
>>>Leon Fisk <lf...@no.spam.iserv.net> wrote:
>>>
>>><snip>
>> [...]
>>>
>>>Had a chance to move this where I could take some pictures:
>>>
>>>http://www.iserv.net/~lfisk/weldtable-1.jpg
>>>
>>>http://www.iserv.net/~lfisk/weldtable-2.jpg
>>>
>>>http://www.iserv.net/~lfisk/weldtable-3.jpg
>>>
>>>I just slip a hand-truck underneath to move outside or walk it on two
>>>legs. Used mostly for sharpening mower blades and small welding
>>>projects. Really like the added vice and mounted locking plier.
>>>
>>>The aluminum crossbar in image one is for a welding ground clamp.
>>>I thought the aluminum to steel connection might go bad at some point
>>>but well over 20 years now and it hasn't...
>>
>>That's a cool little table. It looks very handy and versatile, yet
>>compact. 2 vises + threaded holes = nice.
>
>The holes are stepped, not threaded so the locking plier will mount

Ahh, so they are, so they are. So you have two rows of 3.

>flush to the table. I've got two of them, only one made it into the
>picture. They have a loop shaped nut below. Very much like this from HF
>if not the same:
>
>https://www.harborfreight.com/9-inch-drill-press-locking-clamp-36221.html

Yes, handy gadgets.

>They work really nice for holding down a mower blade while sharpening
>with an angle grinder.

Yeah, those would work a treat for that. Then quickly disconnect to
weigh the outcome on a nail clamped in the swivel vise.

[Larry Jaques]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:02:48 -0700, Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99>
wrote:

Sure you can. Shorten the stud as needed, then make a nut to fit if
it doesn't already. I've used one like this on Glenn Neff's mill.
(Old poster to RCM.)

[Gunner Asch]

thats not a bad thing..the bushing. If the work screws up..the
bearing contact points tend to weld themselves to the races and its a
pain in the butt to free em up.