On 3/13/2012 11:03 PM, Deucalion wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:03:32 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
> <
ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>
>> On 3/13/2012 9:07 PM, Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>
>>> "Josh" <
us...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>>>> On 3/13/2012 7:00 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Josh" <
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>>>>> news:jjoeps$m8e$2...@josh.motzarella.org...
>>>>>> On 3/13/2012 5:34 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>> Deucalion<
som...@nowhere.net> wrote in
>>>>>>>
news:c94vl7hnohjodffnb...@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What makes you think that the Church has any right to tell the
>>>>>>>> insurance company how to conduct their business?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They don't and haven't. They have simply said that they will not
>>>>>>> accept
>>>>>>> artificial birth control in the employee health plan since it goes
>>>>>>> against the tenets of the church and they are the ones paying the
>>>>>>> premiums.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds like they are telling the insurance company how to conduct
>>>>>> their business to me, namely the church says the insurance company
>>>>>> cannot add a policy rider directly with the employee for free birth
>>>>>> control.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is correct. Neither the employee nor the insurance company has any
>>>>> authorization to change the terms of the contract the Church made with
>>>>> the insurance company. Which, BTW, is what a rider does.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rider - endorsement to an insurance policy that modifies clauses and
>>>>> provisions of the policy, including or excluding coverage.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...or do you think other people should be allowed to alter the terms of
>>>>> a contract you're involved in without your permission?
>>>>
>>>> When the government lawfully mandates it, yes. Is this mandate
>>>> lawful? I don't know. My point above being only that the religious
>>>> rights of the employer aren't the only thing at stake in this case.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes they are! Nothing else matters. Well, the President of the United
>>> States telling a private company what it _must_ provide matters to those
>>> of us that think the Constitution actually matters, but the only issue
>>> here is that the church _not_ be forced to provide coverage for service
>>> that it finds offensive to the very core of the church.
>>>
>>> If some are going to scream that a privately installed and maintained
>>> Cross on a hilltop someplace violates the separation clause because
>>> religion is too close to government, then surely the same screamers
>>> should be calling the ACLU 24/7/365 over government telling a church
>>> what religious practices it must violate as it serves its employees.
>>>
>>> You cannot look at this any other way than the government telling
>>> religion that it has no right to its free expression thereof.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Consider this hypothetical. An Amish objects to paying into his
>>>> employees' Social Security on religious grounds. But, the employee
>>>> has a statutory right to have those payments made. Who wins the case
>>>> if the Amish employer sues the government?
>>>
>>> The Amish object to social security? Really?
>>
>>
>>
>> So because the Liberals already violate the constitution they feel it
>> should be easy to violate the constitution some more and force religions
>> to use their NON profits and other endeavors to provide what violates
>> their religious tenets?
>>
>>
>> That would mean that we can force all Mosques and their NON profits and
>> "Islamic community centers" to *HIRE WOMEN* and provide medical
>> insurance for Jews to get health care. They seem to be
>> "discriminating" against their Jewish friends.
>>
>> That Black Church that Obama was at for 20 years, well we will just have
>> to look into their lack of hiring and paying health care for Asians and
>> Mexicans....
>>
>>
>> If the Government can get into the Religions business lets get into all
>> of them.
>
> Religions should not be in the business of business. However, if they
> elect to do so, they should abide by the rules applicable to all the
> other businesses.
Tell government to stop taxing them.
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