IMF Will Relocate To China in 10 Years

[DlLqDS⚛← Ｍｉｇｈｔｙ ╬ Ｗａｎｎａｂｅ →⚛LbxPtJ]

Looks like the American Empire is short-lived and rapidly fading into
the sunset to join the ghost of the British Empire.

<https://www.rt.com/business/397424-imf-move-beijing-decade-lagarde/>

<https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/24/us/politics/christine-lagarde-international-monetary-fund.html>

Head of the International Monetary Fund Christine Lagarde says the
organization may move its headquarters from Washington DC to Beijing in
a decade if the growth trend in China and other major emerging markets
continues.

Changes in big emerging markets will be reflected in the IMF's voting
structure, and the Fund will need to increase its representation in the
region, according to Lagarde.

“Which might very well mean, that if we have this conversation in 10
years' time...we might not be sitting in Washington, DC We'll do it in
our Beijing head office,” the Fund’s Managing Director said.

Lagarde highlighted that emerging economies are currently growing larger
and more influential.

She added that the IMF's bylaws call for the institution's head office
to be located in the largest member economy.

Since its establishment 70 years ago the IMF has always been located in
the US. The US government has an effective veto over IMF decisions with
a 16.5 percent share of its board votes.

According to analysts, China with growth rates forecast above six
percent has a chance to overtake the US in gross domestic product during
the next ten years and become the world's largest economy in nominal terms.

However, some experts, including IMF economists, argue that China
already contributes more to global growth on a purchasing power parity
basis, which adjusts for differences in prices.

The voting structure was last revised by the IMF in 2010, with China's
share increased to 6.41 percent. The Fund is planning to set another
review next year.

[rbowman]

On 07/25/2017 10:36 AM, DlLqDS⚛← Ｍｉｇｈｔｙ ╬ Ｗａｎｎａｂｅ →⚛LbxPtJ
wrote:

>
> Looks like the American Empire is short-lived and rapidly fading into
> the sunset to join the ghost of the British Empire.

It can't happen too soon. America First! and FTW.

[Jim Wilkins]

"rbowman" <bow...@montana.com> wrote in message
news:etplg3...@mid.individual.net...

> On 07/25/2017 10:36 AM, DlLqDS?? Mighty ? Wannabe ??LbxPtJ wrote:
>>
>> Looks like the American Empire is short-lived and rapidly fading
>> into
>> the sunset to join the ghost of the British Empire.
>
> It can't happen too soon. America First! and FTW.

Wave goodbye to the Pax Americana. You may now resume your age-old
conflicts.

[Winston Smith]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 16:24:11 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote:
>"rbowman" wrote

>> On 07/25/2017 10:36 AM, DlLqDS?? Mighty ? Wannabe ??LbxPtJ wrote:

>>> Looks like the American Empire is short-lived and rapidly fading
>>> into the sunset to join the ghost of the British Empire.

The average through 6,000 years of history has been 240 years. Nothing
short lived about it. A bit beyond average and still hanging in there
despite the left's best effort to give it all away.

>> It can't happen too soon. America First! and FTW.

Does this mean we don't have to lend every Tom, Dick and Mohammad a
ton of money anymore. Put the foreign aid money towards the ObamaCare
fiasco.

>Wave goodbye to the Pax Americana. You may now resume your age-old
>conflicts.

Resume? Have they ever stopped? Europe is heading for meltdown,
countries in Asia are pushing back at China's expansion (notably
India) and the Middle East and Africa are having their usual numbers
of local wars and exterminations.

Can't say we have helped much except wasting some wealth to line petty
dictator's private bank accounts.

[QjCQKw⚛← Ｍｉｇｈｔｙ ╬ Ｗａｎｎａｂｅ →⚛SQnClq]

Dubya and Obummer set the Middle East on fire and flooded Europe with
Muslim refugees, jihadists and suicide-bombers. Good job, Pax Americana !!!

[JaSkHi⚛← Ｍｉｇｈｔｙ ╬ Ｗａｎｎａｂｅ →⚛HBRLGT]

'Dirty Harry' is not too impressed by Trump's America. He said it is
'lousy'.

<https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/07/22/philippines-duterte-vows-to-not-come-to-the-u-s-ive-seen-america-and-its-lousy/?utm_term=.f3cd414f5272>
//
Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte, previously praised and invited by
President Trump to come to the White House, said he will not visit the
United States during or after his term because the country is “lousy.”

Duterte's remarks about one of the Philippines's oldest allies was in
response to Rep. Jim McGovern (D-Mass.), who said he would protest if
the Filipino leader utilized Trump's invitation.

“There will never be a time that I will go to America during my term, or
even thereafter. So what makes that guy think I'll go to America? I've
seen America, and it's lousy,” Duterte told reporters Friday about McGovern.
\\

[rbowman]

Pax Americana? Yeah, right.

[rbowman]

On 07/25/2017 03:14 PM, Winston Smith wrote:
> Can't say we have helped much except wasting some wealth to line petty
> dictator's private bank accounts.
>

A lot of US bank accounts got lined too. Blackwater or whatever their
current nom de guerre is, KKR, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman,
Raytheon, etc. etc. Presumably someone called Raytheon with a purchase
order to replace the Tomahawks from Trump's non-effective fireworks
show. That's just small potatoes.

[ykgJeF⚛← Ｍｉｇｈｔｙ ╬ Ｗａｎｎａｂｅ →⚛zIOszl]

rbowman wrote on 7/25/2017 9:59 PM:
>
> Presumably someone called Raytheon with a purchase order to replace the
> Tomahawks from Trump's non-effective fireworks show. That's just small
> potatoes.

Those weapons probably have 'Use before' dates. You'll lose it if you
don't use it.

[PaxPerPoten]

You mean we should go back to screwing the Indians over? They would just
fortify their Casino's and raise the Price of tax-free cigarettes. Ted
Turners High priced Buffalo Steaks would attain another price gain.
>
>


--
It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster

[tRudy Crayola]

We could always expend those things on the vast mental wasteland called
Canada.
>
>
>
>


--
Rudy's Nut & Fruit farm- Sacramento

[Jim Wilkins]

"PaxPerPoten" <P...@USA.org> wrote in message
news:ol99kd$84j$1...@dont-email.me...

> On 7/25/2017 3:24 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>> "rbowman" <bow...@montana.com> wrote in message
>> news:etplg3...@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 07/25/2017 10:36 AM, DlLqDS?? Mighty ? Wannabe ??LbxPtJ wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Looks like the American Empire is short-lived and rapidly fading
>>>> into
>>>> the sunset to join the ghost of the British Empire.
>>>
>>> It can't happen too soon. America First! and FTW.
>>
>> Wave goodbye to the Pax Americana. You may now resume your age-old
>> conflicts.
>
> You mean we should go back to screwing the Indians over? They would
> just fortify their Casino's and raise the Price of tax-free
> cigarettes. Ted Turners High priced Buffalo Steaks would attain
> another price gain.

Did some unfortunate accident cause you to spout nonsense or is it
just genetic?

[PaxPerPoten]

Your reading and Comprehension skills do not speak well of whatever
education system you attended.

Please note what I responded to.

*>>You may now resume your age-old conflicts.*

[Jim Wilkins]

"PaxPerPoten" <P...@USA.org> wrote in message

news:olci6q$qnr$1...@dont-email.me...

You mean we can police the reservations with the freed-up aircraft
carriers?

That's no more illogical than your bogus claim equating an end to
playing Globocop with a return to the 19th Century.
-jsw

[PaxPerPoten]

WTFRUTA????

[Winston Smith]

On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 08:32:19 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" wrote:

> resume your age-old conflicts.*

I'm confused. Does not "resume" and "age old" imply a return to the
past ????

>bogus claim equating an end to playing Globocop with a return to the 19th Century.

Enlighten us about how far back your idea of "age old" goes. In some
parts of the world, 1,000 year old conflicts are still active in the
cultures.

[Spain]

On 7/27/2017 2:55 PM, Winston Smith wrote:
> In some
> parts of the world, 1,000 year old conflicts are still active in the
> cultures.

Yes, the scorpion races of the middle east are the worst example of that
kind of multi-generational feuding.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Winston Smith" <inv...@butterfly.net> wrote in message
news:2bkknclepqbdkruti...@4ax.com...

Our global military presence suppressed armed conflicts to a local
level unlikely to escalate into nuclear war since the 40's. If we
discontinue it we will be where we were in the 20's and 30's, trying
to maintain peace through diplomacy alone, an honorable and far less
expensive solution as long as other nations cooperate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Naval_Conference
"It was the first international conference held in the United States
and the first arms control conference in history,.."
-jsw

[rbowman]

That's still a minor problem compared to the fratricidal European wars.

[Spain]

Not really.

The generational breeder's cup goes to the Muzzies, unless we off them ALL!

[rbowman]

Someone pointed out Christians increase their numbers mostly by
conversion; Moslems increase by conversion and breeding like rats. I
fail to see why the US should be concerned when one flavor of Islam
tries to kill some other flavor or if, like the Balkans, Eastern
Orthodox and other Christians try to pare down the Islamic populations.

[Gunner Asch]

On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 07:46:26 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7y2LRcf4kc


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[Gunner Asch]

My but that didnt work out very well.....did it?

[Jim Wilkins]

"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:euutnct0n3vvhjf6e...@4ax.com...

The warship treaties suppressed a costly battleship arms race while
they were observed, and due to its Escalator Clause didn't hurt us
after Japan and Germany opted out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_battleship
"Treaty battleships were technically superior to their predecessors.
Naval technology developed in the 1920s and 1930s provided improved
steel, better guns, more efficient engines, and more effective
protection against torpedoes. The displacement limit also encouraged
naval designers to think creatively about minimising displacement,
meaning that the treaty battleships significantly increased their
performance."

This details how incredibly effectively the 1930's battleship USS
Washington performed in the 5-1/2 minute fight with IJN Kirishima, a
pre-treaty British design.
http://www.navweaps.com/index_lundgren/Kirishima_Damage_Analysis.pdf

The older, salvaged battleships of Pearl Harbor proved their worth at
Leyte Gulf:
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/pearl-harbor-revenge-the-battleship-battle-surigao-strait-20713

USS West Virginia scored on the very first salvo at 22,800 yards.
From the action report:
"Could hear gunnery officer chuckle and announce hit first salvo.
Watched the second salvo through glasses and saw explosions when it
landed."

The Bismarck failed to hit the British ships coming to sink her at
half that distance.
The usual hit rate in European battleship duels was below 5%.

Those are the only two gun engagements between US and Japanese
battleships. We had none against the Germans although USS
Massachusetts had to fight the French battleship Jean Bart at
Casablanca. However the threat of battleships made quite a difference:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convoy_PQ_17

-jsw

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Mon, 31 Jul 2017 02:44:07 -0700
typed in misc.survivalism the following:

>>>>bogus claim equating an end to playing Globocop with a return to the
>>>>19th Century.
>>>
>>> Enlighten us about how far back your idea of "age old" goes. In some
>>> parts of the world, 1,000 year old conflicts are still active in the
>>> cultures.
>>
>>Our global military presence suppressed armed conflicts to a local
>>level unlikely to escalate into nuclear war since the 40's. If we
>>discontinue it we will be where we were in the 20's and 30's, trying
>>to maintain peace through diplomacy alone, an honorable and far less
>>expensive solution as long as other nations cooperate.
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Naval_Conference
>>"It was the first international conference held in the United States
>>and the first arms control conference in history,.."
>>-jsw
>>
>My but that didnt work out very well.....did it?

And the famous Kellogg-Brand Treat of 1928.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

[Ed Huntress]

You're speaking, of course, of Kellogg's Rice Krispies, which were
introduced that year:

https://prezi.com/upfg2893-vnq/kelloggs-rice-krispies-the-history-behind-snap-crackle-and-pop/

Now, THAT was a treat.

""Listen to the fairy song of health, the merry chorus sung by
Kellogg's Rice Krispies as they merrily snap, crackle, and pop in a
bowl of milk. If you've never heard food talking, now's your chance!"

Gambling on an untested market, they didn't go over well with fairies,
and considered changing their slogan to "Shake, rattle, and roll."

However, the company was founded as an outgrowth of Will Kellogg's
work with his brother John Harvey Kellogg at the Battle Creek
Sanitarium following practices based on the Seventh-day Adventist
Church. They objected to gambling references.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kellogg%27s#History

The rest is history.

--
Ed Huntress

[Jim Wilkins]

"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:vjjunct62sef1btvt...@4ax.com...

> And the famous Kellogg-Br[i]and Treat[y] of 1928.

> --
> pyotr filipivich
> Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

That treaty lasted as long as the governments that signed it.

[Hillary Rodass Kliton]

On 07/25/2017 10:36 AM, DlLqDS⚛← Ｍｉｇｈｔｙ ╬ Ｗａｎｎａｂｅ →⚛LbxPtJ

wrote:
>
> Looks like the American Empire is short-lived and rapidly fading into
> the sunset to join the ghost of the British Empire.
>

> <https://www.rt.com/business/397424-imf-move-beijing-decade-lagarde/>
>
> <https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/24/us/politics/christine-lagarde-international-monetary-fund.html>
>
>
> Head of the International Monetary Fund Christine Lagarde says the
> organization may move its headquarters from Washington DC to Beijing in
> a decade if the growth trend in China and other major emerging markets
> continues.
>
> Changes in big emerging markets will be reflected in the IMF's voting
> structure, and the Fund will need to increase its representation in the
> region, according to Lagarde.
>
> “Which might very well mean, that if we have this conversation in 10
> years' time...we might not be sitting in Washington, DC We'll do it in
> our Beijing head office,” the Fund’s Managing Director said.
>
> Lagarde highlighted that emerging economies are currently growing larger
> and more influential.
>
> She added that the IMF's bylaws call for the institution's head office
> to be located in the largest member economy.
>
> Since its establishment 70 years ago the IMF has always been located in
> the US. The US government has an effective veto over IMF decisions with
> a 16.5 percent share of its board votes.
>
> According to analysts, China with growth rates forecast above six
> percent has a chance to overtake the US in gross domestic product during
> the next ten years and become the world's largest economy in nominal terms.
>
> However, some experts, including IMF economists, argue that China
> already contributes more to global growth on a purchasing power parity
> basis, which adjusts for differences in prices.
>
> The voting structure was last revised by the IMF in 2010, with China's
> share increased to 6.41 percent. The Fund is planning to set another
> review next year.
>
>
> <snip>

Do you really think that Beijing will need a bunch of New York joos to
figure out how to invest in "developing" countries. Lagarde is
indulging in wishful thinking per her tribe's future on the planet.
China all ready has an alternate fund to compete with the IMF in areas
like South America and Southeast Asia.

[mmUwHs⚛← Ｍｉｇｈｔｙ ╬ Ｗａｎｎａｂｅ →⚛nSzbGG]

You don't understand. Please let me explain.

Militarily the US in waning fast. IMF is switching over to using China
as its new 'enforcer'.

The US is also drowning up to its eyeballs in debt. Someday IMF will
have to call on China to make the US cough up the money to pay its debt.

To avoid long period of austerity, the US may consider auctioning off
its aircraft carriers and nuclear subs on eBay.

[Hillary Rodass Kliton]

On 08/02/2017 05:39 PM, mmUwHs⚛← Ｍｉｇｈｔｙ ╬ Ｗａｎｎａｂｅ →⚛nSzbGG
wrote:

<snip>

A first strike thermonuclear attack on the PRC would effectively make
the debt vanish and MAGA.

[raykeller]

"Hillary Rodass Kliton" <H...@personalserver.com> wrote in message
news:oltops$ouc$1...@dont-email.me...

> On 08/02/2017 05:39 PM, mmUwHs?? Mighty ? Wannabe ??nSzbGG wrote:
>> Hillary Rodass Kliton wrote on 8/2/2017 6:28 PM:

>>> On 07/25/2017 10:36 AM, DlLqDS?? Mighty ? Wannabe ??LbxPtJ

A strike on the dam on china's largest river will wipe out 60% of china's
industrial capacity
Whiney Squats to Pee is a mentaly ill deluded troll

[Winston Smith]

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 17:59:45 -0600, Hillary Rodass Kliton wrote:

>A first strike thermonuclear attack on the PRC would effectively make
>the debt vanish and MAGA.

They have mobile nuclear missile launchers, truck and train, scattered
all over an area several times the US. You think you can get them all?

Then we just have to live with the radiation.

That won't seem so bad after we figure out there is no source for half
the products in our stores and a crap load of critical materials for
power production and distribution, computer systems, and even military
weapon systems.

I guess you are sure they don't have any sort of doomsday weapon like
say a single missile launch that spreads shrapnel in the orbits of our
communications and GPS satellites. Right?

And the Russians sit back and snicker "hee hee that takes care of old
China, it does, it does. Gotta send the US a thank you note."

[rbowman]

On 08/02/2017 05:59 PM, Hillary Rodass Kliton wrote:
> A first strike thermonuclear attack on the PRC would effectively make
> the debt vanish and MAGA.

Until America figured out how to make stuff again there would be a lot
of barefoot, ragged-ass citizens missing their iPods, cell phones, other
toys, and more important gadgets.

[Scout]

"Winston Smith" <inv...@butterfly.net> wrote in message

news:1m35och9fjlqi8ckg...@4ax.com...

> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 17:59:45 -0600, Hillary Rodass Kliton wrote:
>
>>A first strike thermonuclear attack on the PRC would effectively make
>>the debt vanish and MAGA.
>
> They have mobile nuclear missile launchers, truck and train, scattered
> all over an area several times the US. You think you can get them all?
>
> Then we just have to live with the radiation.
>
> That won't seem so bad after we figure out there is no source for half
> the products in our stores and a crap load of critical materials for
> power production and distribution, computer systems, and even military
> weapon systems.
>
> I guess you are sure they don't have any sort of doomsday weapon like
> say a single missile launch that spreads shrapnel in the orbits of our
> communications and GPS satellites. Right?
>

Which is just as likely to end up taking out their own sats and those of
numerous neutral countries.

Indeed, that's one concern for the use of such weapons that they could
result in a slow chain reaction that basically wipes out all sats.

[Winston Smith]

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 01:14:56 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
>"Winston Smith" wrote

>> I guess you are sure they don't have any sort of doomsday weapon like
>> say a single missile launch that spreads shrapnel in the orbits of our
>> communications and GPS satellites. Right?
>>
>Which is just as likely to end up taking out their own sats and those of
>numerous neutral countries.

And any replacements that might be launched. Some orbits are right for
some services and once it's full of crap it will be a long time
clearing.

>Indeed, that's one concern for the use of such weapons that they could
>result in a slow chain reaction that basically wipes out all sats.

A doomsday weapon kind of recognizes that the launcher is already
screwed. It's pay back after they are dead.

[Seaview]

On 8/2/2017 8:57 PM, Winston Smith wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 17:59:45 -0600, Hillary Rodass Kliton wrote:
>
>> A first strike thermonuclear attack on the PRC would effectively make
>> the debt vanish and MAGA.
>
> They have mobile nuclear missile launchers, truck and train, scattered
> all over an area several times the US. You think you can get them all?

Yes.

> Then we just have to live with the radiation.

Not really.

> That won't seem so bad after we figure out there is no source for half
> the products in our stores and a crap load of critical materials for
> power production and distribution, computer systems, and even military
> weapon systems.

Stop being a fear monger, Winnie.

> I guess you are sure they don't have any sort of doomsday weapon like
> say a single missile launch that spreads shrapnel in the orbits of our
> communications and GPS satellites. Right?

I guess you missed that we have the tech to knock out anything they launch.

> And the Russians sit back and snicker "hee hee that takes care of old
> China, it does, it does. Gotta send the US a thank you note."

The Chicoms will be fine, traitor.

Nice of YOU to worry about THEM.

You really are subhuman shit.

[Seaview]

On 8/3/2017 9:25 AM, Winston Smith wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 01:14:56 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
>> "Winston Smith" wrote
>
>>> I guess you are sure they don't have any sort of doomsday weapon like
>>> say a single missile launch that spreads shrapnel in the orbits of our
>>> communications and GPS satellites. Right?
>>>
>> Which is just as likely to end up taking out their own sats and those of
>> numerous neutral countries.
>
> And any replacements that might be launched.

Wrong.

> Some orbits are right for
> some services and once it's full of crap it will be a long time
> clearing.

Not really.

>> Indeed, that's one concern for the use of such weapons that they could
>> result in a slow chain reaction that basically wipes out all sats.
>
> A doomsday weapon kind of recognizes that the launcher is already
> screwed. It's pay back after they are dead.

Stop fear mongering, you leftard lackwit.

[Seaview]

Lol, you are correct!

> Whiney Squats to Pee is a mentaly ill deluded troll

He's a flip flopper of epic proportions.

[gSyARE⚛← Ｍｉｇｈｔｙ ╬ Ｗａｎｎａｂｅ →⚛uKkYOu]

How do you suppose you can do that, Shitview? Their dam has been
engineered to withstand dam-buster bombs.

Zoom into the photo and see the two vehicles on top of the dam, then you
can appreciate the colossal size of this concrete structure:
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/ThreeGorgesDam-China2009.jpg>

China ain't what it used to be during US invasion of Vietnam. If you try
to pull that shit, all your bases near China, including Guam, will all
turn into sea of glass, and your 7th Fleet will be nothing more than
floating coffins. Sorry to burst you bubble, Shitview.

China Carrier Killer : DF-21D The Fastest Missile in the World
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_GHE2DjsqQ>

Their newest DF-41 ICBM has the longest range in the world:
<http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a24893/china-announces-deployment-long-range-nuclear-missile/>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-41>

[Seaview]

Do you know anything about Karst topography?

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0169555X03004008

The most significant and widespread natural hazard in the region is
slope instability. A simple, multi-variable elimination and
characterisation model, employing geometric mean and Boolean decision
rules, has been applied to a multi-criterion image dataset to categorise
the area into a series of potential landslide hazard levels, which are
presented in map form. The results presented here show high levels of
hazard in and around all the main inhabited areas along the river.
Limited fieldwork has been conducted to provide reliable ground control
and the results of this paper show good correlation with this field
evidence.

> Zoom into the photo and see the two vehicles on top of the dam, then you
> can appreciate the colossal size of this concrete structure:
> <https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/ThreeGorgesDam-China2009.jpg>

Yeah it's massive, so?

> China ain't what it used to be during US invasion of Vietnam. If you try
> to pull that shit, all your bases near China, including Guam, will all
> turn into sea of glass, and your 7th Fleet will be nothing more than
> floating coffins. Sorry to burst you bubble, Shitview.

No worries, Chicom traitor, you have basically signed your own unmasking
nicely.

> China Carrier Killer : DF-21D The Fastest Missile in the World
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_GHE2DjsqQ>
>
> Their newest DF-41 ICBM has the longest range in the world:
> <http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a24893/china-announces-deployment-long-range-nuclear-missile/>
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-41>

That's nice, but we have far better.

[rbowman]

On 08/03/2017 10:01 AM, Seaview wrote:
> On 8/2/2017 8:57 PM, Winston Smith wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 17:59:45 -0600, Hillary Rodass Kliton wrote:
>>
>>> A first strike thermonuclear attack on the PRC would effectively make
>>> the debt vanish and MAGA.
>>
>> They have mobile nuclear missile launchers, truck and train, scattered
>> all over an area several times the US. You think you can get them all?
>
> Yes.

Of course the Chinese would never have subs with nuclear missiles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-118_Peacekeeper

That's an interesting history of the 'Racetrack' scheme among other things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peacekeeper_Rail_Garrison

The plan was canceled when the USSR dissolved but maybe the Chinese
perfected it. Are you going to blow up all railcars? Or just the ones
with 'Nuclear Missile' painted on top?

[Seaview]

On 8/3/2017 1:48 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On 08/03/2017 10:01 AM, Seaview wrote:
>> On 8/2/2017 8:57 PM, Winston Smith wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 17:59:45 -0600, Hillary Rodass Kliton wrote:
>>>
>>>> A first strike thermonuclear attack on the PRC would effectively make
>>>> the debt vanish and MAGA.
>>>
>>> They have mobile nuclear missile launchers, truck and train, scattered
>>> all over an area several times the US. You think you can get them all?
>>
>> Yes.
>
> Of course the Chinese would never have subs with nuclear missiles.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-118_Peacekeeper

It'd be nice if they handled their own regional bad actors, but...

> That's an interesting history of the 'Racetrack' scheme among other things.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peacekeeper_Rail_Garrison
>
> The plan was canceled when the USSR dissolved but maybe the Chinese
> perfected it. Are you going to blow up all railcars? Or just the ones
> with 'Nuclear Missile' painted on top?

We might start with a nice long period of fuel starvation, in fact:

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/04/china-stops-oil-shipments-to-north-korea-losing-patience-with-norths-provocation-2611884.html

China Ships No Oil to N.Korea in February
China suspended shipments of crude oil to North Korea in February,
Reuters reported on Thursday quoting Chinese customs data.

China, North Korea’s sole real ally, normally supplies 30,000-50,000
tons of crude oil a month to the North. Its crude oil shipments to North
Korea totaled 523,041 tons in 2012.

Some believe the suspension of shipments is further evidence that
Beijing is losing patience with Pyongyang’s brinkmanship tactics. They
suspect it was triggered by the North’s refusal to listen to Beijing and
cancel its nuclear test on Feb. 12.


https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/International-Relations/China-may-have-cut-off-oil-to-North-Korea-for-5-months

BEIJING -- In a possible sign of frustration with Pyongyang's
behavior, China exported not one drop of crude oil to ally North Korea
from January to May, trade data from the General Administration of
Customs shows.

China has imposed mild sanctions on its unpredictable neighbor
since the North conducted a third nuclear weapons test in February of
last year, defying Beijing's calls for restraint. At the end of
December, North Korean leader Kim Jong Un ordered the execution of uncle
Jang Song Thaek, a powerful figure who had acted as a liaison between
the two countries.

At around 500,000 tons a year, Chinese exports of crude to North
Korea amount to economic life support for the energy-starved nation. In
a sign that it may be feeling the pain of a Chinese oil embargo, the
North's air force has cut flight training drastically this year,
according to South Korean media and other sources.

[BOqbDB⚛← Ｍｉｇｈｔｙ ╬ Ｗａｎｎａｂｅ →⚛OAZCXA]

That article dated 2003 was a CIA con job, Shitview !!!!

The 'Three Gorges Dam' was completed in 2012, Shitview !!!!

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Gorges_Dam>

>
> The most significant and widespread natural hazard in the region is
> slope instability. A simple, multi-variable elimination and
> characterisation model, employing geometric mean and Boolean decision
> rules, has been applied to a multi-criterion image dataset to categorise
> the area into a series of potential landslide hazard levels, which are
> presented in map form. The results presented here show high levels of
> hazard in and around all the main inhabited areas along the river.
> Limited fieldwork has been conducted to provide reliable ground control
> and the results of this paper show good correlation with this field
> evidence.
>
>> Zoom into the photo and see the two vehicles on top of the dam, then
>> you can appreciate the colossal size of this concrete structure:
>> <https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/ThreeGorgesDam-China2009.jpg>
>
>
> Yeah it's massive, so?

So you cannot, using your own words, have 'A strike on the dam on
china's largest river', Shitview !!!!

The concrete dam is so massive that it contained enough steel to build
63 Eiffel Towers.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Gorges_Dam#Composition_and_dimensions>
//
The project used 27.2×106 m3 (35.6×106 cu yd) of concrete (mainly for
the dam wall), used 463,000 T of steel (enough to build 63 Eiffel Towers)
\\

[Seaview]

LOl, suuuure it was....

> The 'Three Gorges Dam' was completed in 2012, Shitview !!!!
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Gorges_Dam>

The Karst topography however is nature's underlying weakness.

>>
>> The most significant and widespread natural hazard in the region is
>> slope instability. A simple, multi-variable elimination and
>> characterisation model, employing geometric mean and Boolean decision
>> rules, has been applied to a multi-criterion image dataset to categorise
>> the area into a series of potential landslide hazard levels, which are
>> presented in map form. The results presented here show high levels of
>> hazard in and around all the main inhabited areas along the river.
>> Limited fieldwork has been conducted to provide reliable ground control
>> and the results of this paper show good correlation with this field
>> evidence.
>>
>>> Zoom into the photo and see the two vehicles on top of the dam, then
>>> you can appreciate the colossal size of this concrete structure:
>>> <https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/ThreeGorgesDam-China2009.jpg>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah it's massive, so?
>
> So you cannot, using your own words, have 'A strike on the dam on
> china's largest river', Shitview !!!!

Of course you can.

> The concrete dam is so massive that it contained enough steel to build
> 63 Eiffel Towers.
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Gorges_Dam#Composition_and_dimensions>
> //
> The project used 27.2×106 m3 (35.6×106 cu yd) of concrete (mainly for
> the dam wall), used 463,000 T of steel (enough to build 63 Eiffel Towers)
> \\

That's all very nice but if you destabilize the topography and cause
subsidence the results will be a spectacular inundation.

HTH

[Winston Smith]

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 14:24:41 -0600, Seaview wrote:

>On 8/3/2017 2:21 PM, BOqbDB wrote:
>> Shitview wrote on 8/3/2017 2:57 PM:

>>> Do you know anything about Karst topography?
>>>
>>> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0169555X03004008
>>
>> That article dated 2003 was a CIA con job, Shitview !!!!
>
>LOl, suuuure it was....
>
>> The 'Three Gorges Dam' was completed in 2012, Shitview !!!!
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Gorges_Dam>
>
>The Karst topography however is nature's underlying weakness.

A nice earthquake is a bigger underlying weakness.

Rev up the HARPP

[Seaview]

Those can easily be triggered.

> Rev up the HARPP

That's upper ionosphere.

You're a MORON, Winnie.

If I want a fault to slip or soils to collapse I have credible lower
tech ways to make it so.

[Winston Smith]

On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 09:56:35 -0600, Seaview wrote:
>On 8/4/2017 12:22 AM, Winston Smith wrote:

>> Rev up the HARPP
>
>That's upper ionosphere.

Ah, you haven't been keeping up with your latest conspiracy theories
boy. It's weather, it's earth movements, it's crop failure, it's
seeding disease, it's mind control. It's any damn thing you want it to
be.

In today's world you have to be flexible in your thinking.

[Seaview]

On 8/4/2017 10:18 AM, Winston Smith wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 09:56:35 -0600, Seaview wrote:
>> On 8/4/2017 12:22 AM, Winston Smith wrote:
>
>>> Rev up the HARPP
>>
>> That's upper ionosphere.
>
> Ah, you haven't been keeping up with your latest conspiracy theories
> boy.

Yeah I have, and HAARP was recently decomissioned, ya dumb fuck!

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/weird-science/conspiracy-theories-abound-u-s-military-closes-haarp-n112576

> It's weather, it's earth movements, it's crop failure, it's
> seeding disease, it's mind control. It's any damn thing you want it to
> be.

No it's not!

http://www.activistpost.com/2014/05/conspiracy-theorists-vindicated-haarp.html

In the report “Air Force Admits Weather Control via HAARP and New Tech,”
David Walker, Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Science,
Technology and Engineering, very-matter-of-factly states that they took
over from the Navy and will be moving on

to managing the ionosphere, what the HAARP was really designed to do, to
inject energy into the ionosphere to be able to actually control it…
[CJF emphasis added]

Furthermore, the U.S. Air Force intends to dismantle the High Frequency
Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) in Gakona, Alaska, by or during
the summer of 2014! [1]

> In today's world you have to be flexible in your thinking.

Yeah, you're a regular McStain in your thinking Winnie dear.

[Winston Smith]

On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 10:51:43 -0600, Seaview <admi...@ssho.le> wrote:
>On 8/4/2017 10:18 AM, Winston Smith wrote:
>> On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 09:56:35 -0600, Seaview wrote:
>>> On 8/4/2017 12:22 AM, Winston Smith wrote:
>>
>>>> Rev up the HARPP
>>>
>>> That's upper ionosphere.
>>
>> Ah, you haven't been keeping up with your latest conspiracy theories
>> boy.
>
>Yeah I have, and HAARP was recently decomissioned, ya dumb fuck!
>http://www.nbcnews.com/science/weird-science/conspiracy-theories-abound-u-s-military-closes-haarp-n112576

So they tell us. Every right thinking conspiracy theorist knows how
nave and gullible you are.

>> It's weather, it's earth movements, it's crop failure, it's
>> seeding disease, it's mind control. It's any damn thing you want it to
>> be.

I forgot to mention communicating with flying saucers but everyone
knows that already.

>No it's not!
>http://www.activistpost.com/2014/05/conspiracy-theorists-vindicated-haarp.html

>... dismantle ... in Gakona, Alaska, ...

There you go, boy, qualifiers. Sure sign "they" are deluding you. ;>}

>> In today's world you have to be flexible in your thinking.

>Yeah, you're a regular McStain in your thinking Winnie dear.

Obviously you haven't read any of my thoughts about McBush that I've
posted.

[Seaview]

On 8/4/2017 11:08 AM, Winston Smith wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 10:51:43 -0600, Seaview <admi...@ssho.le> wrote:
>> On 8/4/2017 10:18 AM, Winston Smith wrote:
>>> On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 09:56:35 -0600, Seaview wrote:
>>>> On 8/4/2017 12:22 AM, Winston Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Rev up the HARPP
>>>>
>>>> That's upper ionosphere.
>>>
>>> Ah, you haven't been keeping up with your latest conspiracy theories
>>> boy.
>>
>> Yeah I have, and HAARP was recently decomissioned, ya dumb fuck!
>> http://www.nbcnews.com/science/weird-science/conspiracy-theories-abound-u-s-military-closes-haarp-n112576
>
> So they tell us. Every right thinking conspiracy theorist knows how
> nave and gullible you are.

And the ARRL too?

http://www.arrl.org/news/haarp-facility-in-danger-of-being-dismantled

>>> It's weather, it's earth movements, it's crop failure, it's
>>> seeding disease, it's mind control. It's any damn thing you want it to
>>> be.
> I forgot to mention communicating with flying saucers but everyone
> knows that already.

Actually one can disrupt their guidance with high energy bursts.

>> No it's not!
>> http://www.activistpost.com/2014/05/conspiracy-theorists-vindicated-haarp.html
>> ... dismantle ... in Gakona, Alaska, ...
>
> There you go, boy, qualifiers. Sure sign "they" are deluding you. ;>}

Ever hear of the "phone call from God" technology?

Allen Yu?

>>> In today's world you have to be flexible in your thinking.
>
>> Yeah, you're a regular McStain in your thinking Winnie dear.
>
> Obviously you haven't read any of my thoughts about McBush that I've
> posted.

I tend to take your blather with a sack of salt as your consistency of
positions and rhetoric is nearly nil.

Always has been too.

[Winston Smith]

On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 11:34:37 -0600, Seaview <admi...@ssho.le> wrote:
>On 8/4/2017 11:08 AM, Winston Smith wrote:

>> On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 10:51:43 -0600, Seaview wrote:
>>> On 8/4/2017 10:18 AM, Winston Smith wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 09:56:35 -0600, Seaview wrote:
>>>>> On 8/4/2017 12:22 AM, Winston Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Rev up the HARPP
>>>>>
>>>>> That's upper ionosphere.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, you haven't been keeping up with your latest conspiracy theories
>>>> boy.
>>>
>>> Yeah I have, and HAARP was recently decomissioned, ya dumb fuck!
>>> http://www.nbcnews.com/science/weird-science/conspiracy-theories-abound-u-s-military-closes-haarp-n112576
>>
>> So they tell us. Every right thinking conspiracy theorist knows how
>> nave and gullible you are.
>
>And the ARRL too?

I'm glad to hear they have your number too.

>
>http://www.arrl.org/news/haarp-facility-in-danger-of-being-dismantled
>
>>>> It's weather, it's earth movements, it's crop failure, it's
>>>> seeding disease, it's mind control. It's any damn thing you want it to
>>>> be.
>> I forgot to mention communicating with flying saucers but everyone
>> knows that already.
>
>Actually one can disrupt their guidance with high energy bursts.

That's what Reagan's "Star Wars" was all about. Shush, don't tell
anyone; it's a secret.

>>> No it's not!
>>> http://www.activistpost.com/2014/05/conspiracy-theorists-vindicated-haarp.html
>>> ... dismantle ... in Gakona, Alaska, ...
>>
>> There you go, boy, qualifiers. Sure sign "they" are deluding you. ;>}
>
>Ever hear of the "phone call from God" technology?

Death?

>Allen Yu?
>
>>>> In today's world you have to be flexible in your thinking.
>>
>>> Yeah, you're a regular McStain in your thinking Winnie dear.
>>
>> Obviously you haven't read any of my thoughts about McBush that I've
>> posted.
>
>I tend to take your blather with a sack of salt as your consistency of
>positions and rhetoric is nearly nil.
>Always has been too.

My position is constant. You only take it as inconsistent because you
judge it from your position as a party loyalist and apologist. In my
world the truth applies to left and right equally; in yours the same
action is patriotic or evil depending on party.

[Seaview]

On 8/4/2017 2:47 PM, Winston Smith wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 11:34:37 -0600, Seaview <admi...@ssho.le> wrote:
>> On 8/4/2017 11:08 AM, Winston Smith wrote:
>>> On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 10:51:43 -0600, Seaview wrote:
>>>> On 8/4/2017 10:18 AM, Winston Smith wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 09:56:35 -0600, Seaview wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/4/2017 12:22 AM, Winston Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rev up the HARPP
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's upper ionosphere.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, you haven't been keeping up with your latest conspiracy theories
>>>>> boy.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah I have, and HAARP was recently decomissioned, ya dumb fuck!
>>>> http://www.nbcnews.com/science/weird-science/conspiracy-theories-abound-u-s-military-closes-haarp-n112576
>>>
>>> So they tell us. Every right thinking conspiracy theorist knows how
>>> nave and gullible you are.
>>
>> And the ARRL too?
>
> I'm glad to hear they have your number too.

Hunh?

>>
>> http://www.arrl.org/news/haarp-facility-in-danger-of-being-dismantled
>>
>>>>> It's weather, it's earth movements, it's crop failure, it's
>>>>> seeding disease, it's mind control. It's any damn thing you want it to
>>>>> be.
>>> I forgot to mention communicating with flying saucers but everyone
>>> knows that already.
>>
>> Actually one can disrupt their guidance with high energy bursts.
>
> That's what Reagan's "Star Wars" was all about. Shush, don't tell
> anyone; it's a secret.

Like say sharks with lasers?

>>>> No it's not!
>>>> http://www.activistpost.com/2014/05/conspiracy-theorists-vindicated-haarp.html
>>>> ... dismantle ... in Gakona, Alaska, ...
>>>
>>> There you go, boy, qualifiers. Sure sign "they" are deluding you. ;>}
>>
>> Ever hear of the "phone call from God" technology?
>
> Death?

Nope - direct broadcast to the mind.

http://prijom.com/posts/is-it-legal-to-broadcast-into-someones-brain-using-the-microwave-auditory-effect-or-piezoelectric.php

The maneuver consisted of a system in which subliminal mindaltering to
carry encoded commands, which were broadcast on the 100 MHz frequency. .
the brain, typically through the use of loudspeakers, earphones, or
piezoelectric transducers.

>> Allen Yu?
>>
>>>>> In today's world you have to be flexible in your thinking.
>>>
>>>> Yeah, you're a regular McStain in your thinking Winnie dear.
>>>
>>> Obviously you haven't read any of my thoughts about McBush that I've
>>> posted.
>>
>> I tend to take your blather with a sack of salt as your consistency of
>> positions and rhetoric is nearly nil.
>> Always has been too.
>
> My position is constant.

Oh?

Which one?

> You only take it as inconsistent because you
> judge it from your position as a party loyalist and apologist.

I never apologize for my party.

But I don't always like what they do either.

<shrug>

> In my
> world the truth applies to left and right equally;

In your world the left rejects truth while the right trades in it.

> in yours the same
> action is patriotic or evil depending on party.

It is definitive that the DemoCrap party through their elevation of the
Trojan Horse Obummer and their assaults on our Constitutional rights and
liberties and their endless waves of illegal immigrants is clearly the
enemy - period!

[Jim Wilkins]

"Seaview" <adm...@nelson.le> wrote in message
news:om2nnh$nc0$1...@news.mixmin.net...

> On 8/4/2017 2:47 PM, Winston Smith wrote:
>> On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 11:34:37 -0600, Seaview <admi...@ssho.le>
>> wrote:
>>> On 8/4/2017 11:08 AM, Winston Smith wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 10:51:43 -0600, Seaview wrote:
>>>>> On 8/4/2017 10:18 AM, Winston Smith wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 09:56:35 -0600, Seaview wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/4/2017 12:22 AM, Winston Smith wrote:

>>>>..
>>>> There you go, boy, qualifiers. Sure sign "they" are deluding you.
>>>> ;>}
>>>
>>> Ever hear of the "phone call from God" technology?
>>
>> Death?
>
> Nope - direct broadcast to the mind.
>
> http://prijom.com/posts/is-it-legal-to-broadcast-into-someones-brain-using-the-microwave-auditory-effect-or-piezoelectric.php
>
> The maneuver consisted of a system in which subliminal mindaltering
> to carry encoded commands, which were broadcast on the 100 MHz
> frequency. . the brain, typically through the use of loudspeakers,
> earphones, or piezoelectric transducers.
>

The little-known 100 MHz (among others) FM subcarrier was mainly used
to distribute Elevator Music.

[Seaview]

The soft tissue of the brain is resonant at that frequency.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Seaview" <adm...@nelson.le> wrote in message

news:om2v9u$4b2$2...@news.mixmin.net...

Only if whacked with an iron pipe exactly 3.0 meters (1 wavelength)
long.

[Scout]

"Seaview" <adm...@nelson.le> wrote in message

news:om2v9u$4b2$2...@news.mixmin.net...

No, the human brain is resonant at an average of around 7.83 hz

[Seaview]

Incorrect.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Seaview" <adm...@nelson.le> wrote in message

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Radio techs like me would have noticed it by now. Perhaps only a
special sort of brain is susceptible to the influence:
http://altereddimensions.net/2014/lucille-ball-picks-up-morse-code-radio-through-dental-work-fillings

The plausible explanation is that the metallic filling created a
crystal detector (diode) which rectified any strong enough radio
signal.

[Seaview]

They already have:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/scalar_tech/esp_scalartech_cellphonesmicrowave17.htm

Facts About Cell Phone Use
Talking on a cell phone as little as 500 minutes a month can increase
the probability of brain cancer by 140% to 300% (1)
Cell phone radiation has been shown to damage and break living DNA (2)
Cell phone radiation causes leakage of the blood-brain barrier allowing
toxins to damage sensitive brain tissue (3)
Cell phones worn by men on a belt clip can reduce sperm count by 30% (4) (5)
After using a cell phone for six years the risk of developing an
acoustic neuroma (tumor of the auditory nerve) increases by 50% (6)
Cell phone radiation increases estrogen and adrenaline levels in the
body disrupting hormonal balance (7)
A two-minute cell phone call alters a child's brain function for an hour
(8) (9)
Cordless phones have even higher cancer risks than cell phones (10)




The Russians Knew About This A Long Time Ago

Between 1953 and 1976 the Russians directed electromagnetic radiation
directly at the US embassy in Moscow.

The radiation was a continual round-the-clock bombardment as the
Russians were using this technology in an attempt to listen in on
conversations within the US compound. Soon the American embassy staff
became ill. The US ambassador to Russia developed leukemia and was
forced to return to the United States.

His replacement also developed leukemia and he, too, was replaced. Staff
members were continually ill and additionally complained of memory loss,
brain fog, loss of focus and insomnia during their stay in the embassy.

"Radio Frequency Sickness Syndrome" was a condition the Russians had
earlier identified in experiments. So they weren't surprised to learn of
these health problems.

However, this same technology is being promoted today as safe and
convenient.

Convenient it may be but safe it is not.

> Perhaps only a
> special sort of brain is susceptible to the influence:
> http://altereddimensions.net/2014/lucille-ball-picks-up-morse-code-radio-through-dental-work-fillings
>
> The plausible explanation is that the metallic filling created a
> crystal detector (diode) which rectified any strong enough radio
> signal.
>
>

http://www.national-toxic-encephalopathy-foundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Biological_and_Health_Effects_of_Microwave_Radio_Frequency_Transmissions.pdf

http://www.arrl.org/rf-radiation-and-electromagnetic-field-safety

Both RF and 60-Hz fields are classified as nonionizing radiation because
the frequency is too low for there to be enough photon energy to ionize
atoms. Still, at sufficiently high power densities, EMR poses certain
health hazards. It has been known since the early days of radio that RF
energy can cause injuries by heating body tissue. In extreme cases,
RF-induced heating can cause blindness, sterility and other serious
health problems

[Jim Wilkins]

"Seaview" <adm...@nelson.le> wrote in message

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device)
The shielding that blocked their transmissions also prevented us from
monitoring their comms.

Tesla experimented with the physiological effects of radio waves. Some
of his work was shown to be dangerous and "suppressed".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diathermy

Powerful radio waves heat my dinner. The training to obtain a radio
operator's license includes the RF exposure limits:
http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/fcc-maximum-permissible-exposure.htm
"Several years ago research reports began appearing in the scientific
literature describing the observation of a range of low-level
biological effects. However, in many cases further experimental
research has been unable to reproduce these effects."

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/radiation/electromagnetic-fields-fact-sheet
"No consistent evidence for an association between any source of
non-ionizing EMF and cancer has been found."

Don't try to confuse well-known heating effects with your original
claim of direct thought communication.

[Seaview]

The point is that the brain tissue is RESONANT at 100 mhz.

And heating is only another manifestation of the sympathetic response.

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a409795.pdf

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0031-9155/27/4/002/pdf

https://www.news-medical.net/whitepaper/20150629/AC-magnetic-field-mediated-neuronal-stimulation-in-brain-tissue.aspx

Conventional neuron stimulation by external stimuli is carried out using
embedded electrodes within the brain tissue. However, a new methodology
has been recently proposed by MIT researchers, which involves using
magnetic nanoparticles and AC magnetic fields with frequencies between
100 kHz – 1 MHz to stimulate neurons.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/could-certain-frequencies/

It is possible that heating is not the only effect of radiation. Some
scientists claim that human tissue, including the brain, may be affected
nonthermally. Regrettably, many exposure parameters, such as frequency,
orientation, modulation, power density and duration, make it difficult
to directly compare experiments and draw specific conclusions at
nonthermal levels. Also, it is important to remember that, perhaps
expectedly, interpretations of findings in this area of investigation
are shrouded in controversy, particularly because special interests may
influence some of the research.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Seaview" <adm...@nelson.le> wrote in message

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The resistance those describe is NOT resonance, in fact it suppresses
resonance:
http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/formulae/q-quality-factor/basics-tutorial.php

> Conventional neuron stimulation by external stimuli is carried out
> using embedded electrodes within the brain tissue. However, a new
> methodology has been recently proposed by MIT researchers, which
> involves using magnetic nanoparticles and AC magnetic fields with

> frequencies between 100 kHz - 1 MHz to stimulate neurons.

>
> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/could-certain-frequencies/
>
> It is possible that heating is not the only effect of radiation.
> Some scientists claim that human tissue, including the brain, may be
> affected nonthermally. Regrettably, many exposure parameters, such
> as frequency, orientation, modulation, power density and duration,
> make it difficult to directly compare experiments and draw specific
> conclusions at nonthermal levels. Also, it is important to remember
> that, perhaps expectedly, interpretations of findings in this area
> of investigation are shrouded in controversy, particularly because
> special interests may influence some of the research.

"It is possible .." means that's all pure speculation.

I worked with this on a government research grant back when it was
known as Nuclear Magnetic Resonance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_resonance_imaging

It subjects the target to both a strong magnetic field and strong RF
signals and measures how the spins of atomic nuclei respond.

"..the majority of research shows no genotoxic, or otherwise harmful,
effects caused by any part of MRI."

The article mentions other effects that have been observed, but not
what you are claiming without proof.

[Seaview]

No it doesn't.

> I worked with this on a government research grant back when it was
> known as Nuclear Magnetic Resonance:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_resonance_imaging
>
> It subjects the target to both a strong magnetic field and strong RF
> signals and measures how the spins of atomic nuclei respond.
>
> "..the majority of research shows no genotoxic, or otherwise harmful,
> effects caused by any part of MRI."
>
> The article mentions other effects that have been observed, but not
> what you are claiming without proof.

You may or may not be familiar with the paranormal events that occur in
MRI centers.

And you likely will deny that as well as:

http://www.kurzweilai.net/researchers-demonstrate-direct-brain-to-brain-communication-in-human-subjects

An international team of neuroscientists and robotics engineers have
demonstrated the first direct remote brain-to-brain communication
between two humans located 5,000 miles away from each other and
communicating via the Internet, as reported in a paper recently
published in PLOS ONE (open access).

In India, researchers encoded two words (“hola” and “ciao”) as binary
strings and presented them as a series of cues on a computer monitor.
They recorded the subject’s EEG signals as the subject was instructed to
think about moving his feet (binary 0) or hands (binary 1). They then
sent the recorded series of binary values in an email message to
researchers in France, 5,000 miles away.


MRI image showing location of TMS phosphene generator (credit: Carles
Grau et al./PLoS ONE)

There, the binary strings were converted into a series of transcranial
magnetic stimulation (TMS) pulses applied to a hotspot location in the
right visual occipital cortex that either produced a phosphene
(perceived flash of light) or not.

“We wanted to find out if one could communicate directly between two
people by reading out the brain activity from one person and injecting
brain activity into the second person, and do so across great physical
distances by leveraging existing communication pathways,” explains
coauthor Alvaro Pascual-Leone, MD, PhD, Director of the Berenson-Allen
Center for Noninvasive Brain Stimulation at Beth Israel Deaconess
Medical Center (BIDMC) and Professor of Neurology at Harvard Medical School.

A team of researchers from Starlab Barcelona, Spain and Axilum Robotics,
Strasbourg, France conducted the experiment. A second similar experiment
was conducted between individuals in Spain and France.

“We believe these experiments represent an important first step in
exploring the feasibility of complementing or bypassing traditional
language-based or other motor/PNS mediated means in interpersonal
communication,” the researchers say in the paper.

https://sites.google.com/site/mcrais/voices

Back in 1956, geophysicists R. E. Holzer and O. E. Deal, detected
naturally occurring electromagnetic signals in the auditory range that
were produced by thunderstorms. With little variation, most of the
electromagnetic bursts were metered at 25 to 130 cycles per second, with
a very low attenuation rate. In other words, lightning discharges could
be picked up anywhere in the world as “magnetic noise” on the extremely
low frequency (ELF) radio dial.

Hearing “Voices”
RF-mind-control testing became a military priority—a simple, pulsed
microwave beam outperformed drugs, ECT, torture and brain surgery as a
means of behavior modification.

Two years later, Dr. Allan Frey, a bio-physics researcher conducting
studies at General Electric’s Advanced Electronics Center at Cornell
University (and a contractor for the U.S. Office of Naval Research),
published a “technical note” in Aerospace Medicine reporting that the
human auditory system responds “to electromagnetic energy in at least a
portion of the radio frequency (RF) spectrum. Further, this response is
instantaneous and occurs at low-power densities ... well below that
necessary for biological damage.” Frey’s subjects “heard” buzzes and
knocks when exposed to low-frequency radio emissions. In one experiment,
Frey swept a radio beam over a subject. With each sweep, the subject
heard the radio frequency sound for a few seconds and reported it. When
Frey modulated power densities, he discovered that even clinically deaf
subjects perceived RF sounds. Experiments with transmitter settings
proved that radio beams could induce the perception of severe buffeting
of the head or prick the skin like needles.
Frey concluded that the brain is a powerful receiver of electromagnetic
rays, and the “vocabulary” of RF noises could be expanded by modulating
the pulse of the charge, which would be perceived by the subject as
originating from within or slightly behind the head.
Among practical applications of auditory stimulation, Frey proposed
“stimulating the nervous system without the damage caused by
electrodes.” Attracting the attention of CIA and DOD officials, Frey’s
work with microwaves had obvious uses in covert military operations. In
one experiment, for instance, he synchronized pulsed microwaves with the
myocardial rhythm of a frog, whereupon its heart stopped. Stimulating
the hypothalamus of cats and dogs with microwaves powerfully effected
emotions.
Frey was reluctant to experiment on humans for ethical reasons. But
Pandora operatives did not balk at irradiating human subjects. Under CIA
auspices, Dr. Dietrich Beischer exposed approximately 7,000 naval
crewmen to dangerous levels of microwaves at the Naval Aerospace
Research Laboratory in Pensacola, Florida. Data on exposure limits,
Beischer justified, could be obtained in no other way, given the
“exquisitely complex and dynamic nature of the human organism.”
An “official” halt to Pandora was called in 1970, but classified,
RF-mind-control testing had become a military priority. A simple, pulsed
microwave beam outperformed drugs, ECT, torture and brain surgery as a
means of behavior modification. By the late 1960s, CIA scientists had
achieved direct communication between brain and computer, and had
demonstrated in the laboratory that computer-assisted automatic learning
was possible by pinpointing neuron clusters in the brain with radio
signals. Microwaves easily penetrated the brain’s protective shields of
bone, ligament and membrane. Brain waves could be unscrambled and
deciphered, recorded and beamed to another person—creating artificial
two-way mental communication.

“Voices”


At Walter Reed Army Hospital of Research in 1973, Dr. Joseph Sharp,
strapped inside an isolation chamber, heard “words” beamed at him in a
pulsed-microwave audiogram. (An audiogram is a computerized analog of
the spoken voice.) ARPA’s Robert O. Becker foresaw in the experiment
“obvious applications in covert operations.” Becker imagined a barrage
of “voices” driving an enemy insane, and post-hypnotic suggestion
radioed to a programmed assassin, directing him to kill.
According to Naval Captain Paul Tyler in a 1976 essay, “The
Electromagnetic Spectrum in Low-Intensity Conflict,” a “speed-of-light
weapons effect” could be achieved with “the passage of approximately 100
milliamperes [of directed frequency] through the myocardium, [leading]
to cardiac standstill and death.” In other words, electromagnetic
devices with stun or kill settings could theoretically wipe out entire
armies—and cities. The patent for just such a “death-ray” device,
according to officials of the McFarlane Corporation, an independent
research and development firm, was pirated from them in 1965 by NASA.
The theft was reported in hearings before the House subcommittee on DOD
appropriations, chaired by Representative George Mahon (D-Texas).
According to McFarlane company literature, the invention—termed a
Modulated Electron-Gun X-Ray Nuclear Booster—could be adapted to
“communications, remote control and guidance systems, electromagnetic
radiation telemetering and death-ray applications.”
Was the technology tested at home on private citizens? In March 1978,
the city of Eugene, Oregon, found itself inundated with microwave
radiation. The Oregon Journal reported: “Mysterious Radio Signals
Causing Concern in Oregon.” Federal government specialists blamed the
Soviets, but the Federal Communications Commission concluded that the
signal—recorded throughout the state of Oregon—came from a Navy
transmitter in California.
Oregonians statewide complained of headaches, fatigue, inability to
sleep, reddening of the skin, anxiety, “clicks” in the head and a “buzz”
harmonizing with a high-pitched wail. Canadian researcher Andrew
Michrowski wrote to Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau on September 19, 1978,
citing a Pacific Northwest Center for Non-Ionizing Radiation study that
found the signals “psychoactive” and “very strongly suggestive of
achieving the objective of brain control.”
*
*
*
Clearly, breaching the ultimate stronghold of privacy—the mind—has been
accomplished. If the U.S. government plans to do the thinking for all
Americans, the days of freedom, liberty and justice—and human identity
itself—appear to be numbered.

[Scout]

"Seaview" <adm...@nelson.le> wrote in message

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No, it's not. The brain's resonant frequency is around 7.83 hz.

>
> And heating is only another manifestation of the sympathetic response.
>
> http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a409795.pdf
>
> http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0031-9155/27/4/002/pdf
>
> https://www.news-medical.net/whitepaper/20150629/AC-magnetic-field-mediated-neuronal-stimulation-in-brain-tissue.aspx
>
> Conventional neuron stimulation by external stimuli is carried out using
> embedded electrodes within the brain tissue. However, a new methodology
> has been recently proposed by MIT researchers, which involves using
> magnetic nanoparticles and AC magnetic fields with frequencies between 100
> kHz – 1 MHz to stimulate neurons.
>
> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/could-certain-frequencies/

A big gap there between POSSIBLE interference...and the direct communication
you asserted.

And the range is FAR from the 100 MHz you asserted would be used.

Looks like your cite does more to disprove your assertion than it does to
support it.

[Gunner Asch]

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 19:08:45 -0700, "raykeller"
<whiney_will_have_his_nose_in_my_ass_in_3_2_1@leftards_are_loosers.com>

>Whiney Squats to Pee is a mentaly ill deluded troll
>

Indeed he is.


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[Gunner Asch]

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 14:37:47 -0400, gSyARE?? ?????? ? ??????? ??uKkYOu
<yaP...@bomiQe.com> wrote:

>
>Zoom into the photo and see the two vehicles on top of the dam, then you
>can appreciate the colossal size of this concrete structure:
><https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/ThreeGorgesDam-China2009.jpg>

Simply float a 250k nuke down to the bottom of the dam and detonate it
when its hard against the dam concrete. There wont be enough in the
middle of the dam to hold wet flubber

[Seaview]

You're referring to the Schuman data?

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_ondas_shumman_05.htm

The natural frequencies of the Human Brain are:
Beta waves (14 to 30 Hz)
Alpha waves (8 to 13 Hz)
Theta waves (4 to 7 Hz)
Delta waves (1 to 3 Hz)

The Beta and Alpha waves (8 to 30 Hz) seem to correspond to the Schumann
resonances: 7.8, 14, 20, 26, 33, 39 and 45 Hertz. The 30 Hz high end of
the Beta waves is roughly coincident with the frequency of cats’ purrs:
According to an 18 March 2001 article in the London Telegraph by David
Harrison: “... the purring of cats is a 'natural healing mechanism'...
between 27 and 44 hertz... was the dominant frequency for a house cat,
and 20-50Hz for the puma, ocelot, serval, cheetah and caracal. This
reinforces studies confirming that exposure to frequencies of 20-50Hz
strengthens human bones and helps them to grow...

>
>>
>> And heating is only another manifestation of the sympathetic response.
>>
>> http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a409795.pdf
>>
>> http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0031-9155/27/4/002/pdf
>>
>> https://www.news-medical.net/whitepaper/20150629/AC-magnetic-field-mediated-neuronal-stimulation-in-brain-tissue.aspx
>>
>>
>> Conventional neuron stimulation by external stimuli is carried out
>> using embedded electrodes within the brain tissue. However, a new
>> methodology has been recently proposed by MIT researchers, which
>> involves using magnetic nanoparticles and AC magnetic fields with
>> frequencies between 100 kHz – 1 MHz to stimulate neurons.
>>
>> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/could-certain-frequencies/
>
> A big gap there between POSSIBLE interference...and the direct
> communication you asserted.
>
> And the range is FAR from the 100 MHz you asserted would be used.

http://www.astrosurf.com/luxorion/qsl-em-radiation.htm

http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2014/03/12/gamma-brain-waves-40-hz-to-100-hz/

Gamma brain waves are the fastest documented brain wave activity on an
E.E.G. oscillating between 40 Hz and 100 Hz. Because they are the
“fastest” brain wave activity, they also have the smallest amplitude on
an E.E.G. (electroencephalogram) in comparison to the other major ranges
of brain wave frequencies. Gamma waves play a role in sensory-binding as
well as information processing within the human brain. They are able to
link and process information throughout the entire brain.

>
> Looks like your cite does more to disprove your assertion than it does
> to support it.

But wait, there's more:

http://www.tripzine.com/listing.php?smlid=102

Research has shown that the human brain operates at a wide range of
frequencies, but generally stays in four major levels of awareness known
as beta (13 to 30 cps), alpha (8 to 12 cps), theta (5 to 7 cps), and
delta (1 to 4 cps). The highest level is beta, and in this state the
brain is active and very awake. This state is usually associated with
intellectual thought and verbal expression. When you are talking up a
storm, your brain is vibrating between 13 and 30 cps.

The alpha level is the next state down, and it is associated with a much
more relaxed, calm, and creative waking state. A nice alpha level can be
achieved with a simple meditation of slowing your breathing. As your
breathing slows, other body functions including your brain frequencies
will begin to relax and slow down. When you are completely relaxed ­ but
not yet asleep ­ your brain hums at around 8 to 12 cycles per second. 8
or 9 cps is considered a very creative state, marked with contemplative
thought and increased intuition.

Moving down the awareness scale we arrive at the theta frequencies, and
a very interesting set of frequencies they are. This 5 to 7 cps range is
where dreams, deep hypnosis, ESP, out-of-body projections, channeling,
and other odd mind phenomena start to pop up. Somewhere in this range
lies what is called the hypnagogic state ­ that twilight-zone of
consciousness on the border between being awake and being asleep. This
is grey area where conscious and subconscious start to overlap. Most of
us only get quick, half-remembered glimpses into this realm as we are
going to sleep or waking up. However, with Monroe's techniques of brain
entrainment, this theta state can be sonically induced ­ allowing the
entrainee to have extended periods of theta exploration.

If you have Internet access, you can try downloading audio files of
binaural beat frequencies from either Brown Feather's Hideaway (Link No
Longer Working) or Brainwave web sites. Both of these sites contain
binaural beat frequencies for downloading. The frequencies are denoted
by their focus number, such as F1 (focus one), all the way up to F26
(Focus 26). These are designations given by the Monroe Institute to
denote the different levels of effects attained by the use of their
tapes. Please be aware that the audio files found at this site are
simple dual stereo frequencies such as 200 cps and 208 cps, and are not
of the same quality as the actual Monroe tapes. For those of you who
wish to construct your own multilayered frequencies, there are several
programs available for downloading on the net (see Syntrillium's Cool Edit).

[Jim Wilkins]

"Seaview" <adm...@nelson.le> wrote in message

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> RF-mind-control testing became a military priority-a simple, pulsed

> and beamed to another person-creating artificial two-way mental

> communication.
>
> "Voices"
>
>
> At Walter Reed Army Hospital of Research in 1973, Dr. Joseph Sharp,
> strapped inside an isolation chamber, heard "words" beamed at him in
> a pulsed-microwave audiogram. (An audiogram is a computerized analog
> of the spoken voice.) ARPA's Robert O. Becker foresaw in the
> experiment "obvious applications in covert operations." Becker
> imagined a barrage of "voices" driving an enemy insane, and
> post-hypnotic suggestion radioed to a programmed assassin, directing
> him to kill.
> According to Naval Captain Paul Tyler in a 1976 essay, "The
> Electromagnetic Spectrum in Low-Intensity Conflict," a
> "speed-of-light weapons effect" could be achieved with "the passage
> of approximately 100 milliamperes [of directed frequency] through
> the myocardium, [leading] to cardiac standstill and death." In other
> words, electromagnetic devices with stun or kill settings could

> theoretically wipe out entire armies-and cities. The patent for just

> such a "death-ray" device, according to officials of the McFarlane
> Corporation, an independent research and development firm, was
> pirated from them in 1965 by NASA. The theft was reported in
> hearings before the House subcommittee on DOD appropriations,
> chaired by Representative George Mahon (D-Texas). According to

> McFarlane company literature, the invention-termed a Modulated
> Electron-Gun X-Ray Nuclear Booster-could be adapted to

> "communications, remote control and guidance systems,
> electromagnetic radiation telemetering and death-ray applications."
> Was the technology tested at home on private citizens? In March
> 1978, the city of Eugene, Oregon, found itself inundated with
> microwave radiation. The Oregon Journal reported: "Mysterious Radio
> Signals Causing Concern in Oregon." Federal government specialists
> blamed the Soviets, but the Federal Communications Commission

> concluded that the signal-recorded throughout the state of
> Oregon-came from a Navy transmitter in California.

> Oregonians statewide complained of headaches, fatigue, inability to
> sleep, reddening of the skin, anxiety, "clicks" in the head and a
> "buzz" harmonizing with a high-pitched wail. Canadian researcher
> Andrew Michrowski wrote to Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau on
> September 19, 1978, citing a Pacific Northwest Center for
> Non-Ionizing Radiation study that found the signals "psychoactive"
> and "very strongly suggestive of achieving the objective of brain
> control."
> *
> *
> *

> Clearly, breaching the ultimate stronghold of privacy-the mind-has

> been accomplished. If the U.S. government plans to do the thinking

> for all Americans, the days of freedom, liberty and justice-and
> human identity itself-appear to be numbered.
>

Believe it if you want. Some people are certain they saw ghosts or
flying saucers. A neighbor called her mother across the country to ask
what was wrong, because she suddenly had a bad feeling. Mom answered
that everything was fine, then smelled the fire.

As a lab manager I had the equipment available but was unable to
experimentally verify the mental signaling rumors that circulated
around military research facilities, typically as something the
Soviets had developed, although I can make the image of a ghost appear
beside the subject on a Polaroid.

A worldwide lightning detection device inspired WW2 British "Chain
Home" early warning radar.

[Scout]

"Seaview" <adm...@nelson.le> wrote in message

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So once again we are well away from the 100 MHz claimed, by several orders
of magnitude...

Does still more to disprove your claim.....

[Scout]

"Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I believe there is far more than science currently knows, particularly in
areas where science all but refuses to look.
I also believe there can be mysterious that science may never explain.

However, to assert actual mind to mind communication by means of a 100MHz RF
device would require more than simply an assertion that it exists, and
citing a bunch of irrelevant articles that do more to refute the claim than
they do to support it.

[Rudy Canoza]

Science does not "refuse to look" for any reasons you might imagine.

> I also believe there can be mysterious [sic] that science may never explain.

The alternative is not to believe mystic mumbo-jumbo.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Scout" <me4...@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote in
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>
>
> "Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:om8avk$mbk$1...@dont-email.me...

>> "Seaview" <adm...@nelson.le> wrote in message ............

>> Believe it if you want. Some people are certain they saw ghosts or
>> flying saucers. A neighbor called her mother across the country to
>> ask what was wrong, because she suddenly had a bad feeling. Mom
>> answered that everything was fine, then smelled the fire.
>>
>> As a lab manager I had the equipment available but was unable to
>> experimentally verify the mental signaling rumors that circulated
>> around military research facilities, typically as something the
>> Soviets had developed, although I can make the image of a ghost
>> appear beside the subject on a Polaroid.
>>
>> A worldwide lightning detection device inspired WW2 British "Chain
>> Home" early warning radar.
>>
>
> I believe there is far more than science currently knows,
> particularly in areas where science all but refuses to look.
> I also believe there can be mysterious that science may never
> explain.
>
> However, to assert actual mind to mind communication by means of a
> 100MHz RF device would require more than simply an assertion that it
> exists, and citing a bunch of irrelevant articles that do more to
> refute the claim than they do to support it.

"Science" may decline funding but curious people like me with the
technical training and lab equipment for independent research aren't
prevented from exploring the X-Files as long as it doesn't cause harm,
ie stays within the FCC transmit power limits for amateur radio
operators.

And the answer is that neither I nor the RF techs I worked with
observed -anything- within the range of less than 1Hz to 6GHz while
leaning over the exposed circuits. The most likely setup to provoke a
response at a potential biological resonant frequency is an RF network
analyzer connected to transmit and receive antennas right in front of
or held by the operator. We move then around to find lobes and nulls.
Anything detectable would cause a blip at the resonances several times
a second, controlled by the sweep rate. 100MHz is within the FM
broadcast band, hardly an unexplored dark corner of the frequency
spectrum.

Here is a sweep generator for your computer:
http://www.softsea.com/review/SweepGen.html
I just ran it from 1Hz to 10Hz in Custom, with a square wave output so
I could hear the transitions on the Altecs. You can make an antenna
for the magnetic component of the radio wave by winding insulated wire
around a cardboard box.

For the serious ELF/magnetism experimenter (mad scientist):
https://hackaday.io/project/1376-pyppm-a-proton-precession-magnetometer-for-all

In college I participated in tests within the brain wave frequency
band and wasn't affected (other than being annoyed) by staring into
the bright flashing light of a variable speed movie projector. That
can be a dangerous test:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosensitive_epilepsy

We can't prove a negative, that human reception of RF except as heat
is impossible, and can't rule out that mind control devices exist but
are too valuable for national defense to be used to treat mental
disorders. The precedent was lives sacrificed in WW2 to protect
secrets, including that we had broken the top level German and
Japanese ciphers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieppe_Raid
-jsw

[Seaview]

On 8/7/2017 6:16 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> We can't prove a negative, that human reception of RF except as heat
> is impossible, and can't rule out that mind control devices exist but
> are too valuable for national defense to be used to treat mental
> disorders.

Solid answer.

And never bet the gubmint doesn't have technology far ahead of what the
average person can begin to wrap their mind around.

[Seaview]

On 8/6/2017 9:48 PM, Scout wrote:
> I believe there is far more than science currently knows, particularly
> in areas where science all but refuses to look.
> I also believe there can be mysterious that science may never explain.
>
> However, to assert actual mind to mind communication by means of a
> 100MHz RF device would require more than simply an assertion that it
> exists, and citing a bunch of irrelevant articles that do more to refute
> the claim than they do to support it.

Re-read the google citation.

[Seaview]

That's nice.

The premise however stands.

> Does still more to disprove your claim.....

Not really.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Seaview" <adm...@nelson.le> wrote in message

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I can't reveal what exotic tech the gubmint may have, but I had a part
in it.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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For example I was a repairman for an experimental military network of
mobile, wirelessly linked computers in the early 1970's.

[Seaview]

100% acceptable answer!

[Seaview]

Sweet!

Ever work with SENGAR?

[Gunner Asch]

Any freqs in there to watch out for? IE..anything that can trigger an
epilepsy episode?

[Seaview]

On 8/7/2017 12:41 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> Any freqs in there to watch out for? IE..anything that can trigger an
> epilepsy episode?

Yes.


http://www.epilepsy.com/connect/forums/living-epilepsy-adults/epilepsy-and-radio-waves


I have TLE from a traumatic brain injury. Last November at the Portland
Airport the security guards made me go through the new "AIT - millimeter
screening machine."
I was not reassured when they said it is perfectly safe for everyone,
FDA approved.
They would not do a pat-down. After I entered the cylinder, standing
straight ahead, arms up two things happened: 1. A strobe flash; 2. a
vertical bar swept passed my field of vision.
I had immediate prodome, was unable to move, and total orientation
confusion x4.
I needed assistance to come out of the machine. I remained disoriented
and on the plane began to have flashbacks of my original head injury. I
had significant mental confusion for months and have not yet regained my
status level.

https://www.emf-portal.org/en/article/13191

Exposure
mobile communications GSM
Exposure Parameters
Exposure 1: 900 MHz
Modulation type: pulsed
Exposure duration: continuous for 2 h
power: 0.225 W
SAR: 0.24 W/kg mean (1 g) (whole body)
SAR: 1.3 W/kg peak value (1 g) (whole body)
SAR: 0.42 W/kg mean (1 g) (brain)
SAR: 0.47 W/kg peak value (1 g) (brain)
Exposure 2: 900 MHz
Modulation type: pulsed
Exposure duration: continuous for 2 h
Picrotoxin-treated
power: 0.225 W
SAR: 0.15 W/kg mean (1 g) (whole body)
SAR: 0.85 W/kg peak value (1 g) (whole body)
SAR: 0.27 W/kg mean (1 g) (brain)
SAR: 0.31 W/kg peak value (1 g) (brain)


http://brainblogger.com/2015/09/28/music-and-epilepsy-part-1-music-as-a-trigger/

Music as a trigger of epileptic seizures
This form of reflex epilepsy where patients experience seizures after
listening to music is known as musicogenic epilepsy; it is rare, but it
has been reported since the 19th century.
But again, musical triggers work in various ways. A 2008 literature
review by Pittau et al went through all the case reports of epilepsy
induced or facilitated by music; the authors found 110 cases published
between 1884 and 2007. And some of them are fascinatingly weird.
Some patients report seizures only when listening to specific musical
genres or to specific musical instruments. But there are cases where the
trigger is a specific composer or even a song.
For example, there are patients reporting seizures after listening to
The Beatles, Chopin, “The Marseillaise” (France’s national anthem), the
X-Files’ theme song, both Whitney Houston and Boyz II Men, Shania
Twain’s ballads…
But the stimulus doesn’t necessarily have to be auditory; there are also
reported cases where seizures were triggered merely by singing or
thinking of music.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Seaview" <adm...@nelson.le> wrote in message

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SINCGARS?

[Seaview]

My bad, that must be it.

As I was told it's encrypted radio transmission that hops frequencies to
avoid intercepts.

But it seems to be a lot more:

http://www.military.com/equipment/sincgars

[YRAiQj⚛← Ｍｉｇｈｔｙ ╬ Ｗａｎｎａｂｅ →⚛jEqcTj]

The supposedly hack-proof 'Quantum Entanglement' encryption is all the
rage now:

<https://www.space.com/33760-china-launches-quantum-communications-satellite.html>

[SeaSnake]

I've been reading about that.

I hate to see the Chicoms with that tech.

Cripes, if they build a teleporter before we do...

[NjMxxD⚛← Ｍｉｇｈｔｙ ╬ Ｗａｎｎａｂｅ →⚛cfvheh]

The NSA must feel so helpless - can't figure out how to spy on quantum
communications.

>
> Cripes, if they build a teleporter before we do...

You can't even go up to the International Space Station without hitching
a ride on a Russian Soyuz rocket now.

Maybe the Chicoms will help get you up there if you ask them nicely.
(The Chicoms developed their own space station after the US shut them
out of the ISS program)

[Scout]

"Seaview" <adm...@nelson.le> wrote in message

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and if it exists are all....one can only wonder how you would know of it.

Meanwhile, let's get back to your conspiracy theories...

[Mr. B1ack]

On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 17:48:09 -0600, SeaSnake <hydro...@n.ae> wrote:

TELEPORTER GAP !!!

Call RAND corp ! DARPA ! RAYTHEON ! We can not risk
a teleporter gap with those gawdless commie bastards !
They'll beam your pretty white daughters right out of the
shower and into the filthy clutches of depraved old Maoist
letchers !!!

[vbvldC⚛← Ｍｉｇｈｔｙ ╬ Ｗａｎｎａｂｅ →⚛OORgkt]

Through baby-gender-preference bias, China now does not have enough
girls for every boy. They need a lot of pussies to fill the gender gap.
If you don't want to end up with a Chinese son-in-law, you should cover
your daughters with tin foil from head to toe.

[SeaSnake]

Ever see "The Fly"?

<shudder>

[SeaSnake]

And what does that tell you (tacitly) about all this saber rattling with
Putin?

Show, all show...

> Maybe the Chicoms will help get you up there if you ask them nicely.
> (The Chicoms developed their own space station after the US shut them
> out of the ISS program)

And they're going to the moon too.

I hope they make their flags look lieke they caught some solar wind...

[Mr. B1ack]

And don't forget the grounding connection ! :-)

Ya know, in the bad old days - which weren't all
that long ago really - it kind of made sense to
raise more males ... because a lot of them
would DIE early - wars, diseases, murders or
just worked to death. It was a REALLY hard life
for peasant-class males.

Unfortunately, cultural stuff tends to have a
"shadow", a "hang-over" period wherein it no
longer serves any purpose but everybody's
still just used to doing/thinking in a particular
way. Takes two or three generations for the
culture to re-adjust.

Hmm ... one day somebody WILL invent a
"teleporter" of some kind - imagine the chaos
that'll cause ! All wealth would HAVE to go
virtual because valuable *objects* could be
snatched right from inside an underground
vault. Oh, and yer transportation stocks ...
well ........... :-)

[Scout]

"SeaSnake" <hydro...@n.ae> wrote in message
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The Fly? Heck, just watch Star Trek and count the number of transporter
accidents... Move over McCoy I'm taking the shuttle craft as well.

[Scout]

"Mr. B1ack" <now...@nada.net> wrote in message
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Of course, on the other hand it is a wonderful way to help control your
population.....

[Fred Wingo]

LOL! Is that a symptom of 30 years of dole scrounging and property tax
chiseling?

[SeaSnake]

Lol, roger that!

[Mr. B1ack]

Well ... maybe not "wonderful", but expedient .....

Enslave the peasants, work them to death, send
survivors off to war - that was the paradigm for
many kings and potentates over millenia. It DOES
work ... making sure the power elite stays powerful.