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azotic

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May 11, 2010, 7:41:58 PM5/11/10
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This one involves an art project. A Salinas middle school student said her
teacher stopped her from drawing the American flag, while another student's
picture of President Obama was praised.

Tracy Hathaway said the art teacher at Gavilan View Middle School told her
daughter she couldn't draw the American flag because it was offensive.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Salinas-Teacher-Calls-Flag-Drawing-Offensive-93423139.html

Best Regards

Tom.


Buerste

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May 12, 2010, 5:31:19 AM5/12/10
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"azotic" <azo...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Let's see...what offends liberuls:
-The US flag
-God
-Prayer
-Religious symbols
-Honesty
-Patriotism
-Nuclear family
-Family values
-Heterosexuals
-Wealth creators
-Working for a living
-Responsible spending
-Personal responsibility
-Accountability
-Free speech
-Firearms
-Non-junk science
-The military
-Private schools
-Uninterrupted pregnancies
-Etc, etc, etc


Larry Jaques

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May 12, 2010, 8:37:49 AM5/12/10
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On Wed, 12 May 2010 05:31:19 -0400, "Buerste" <bue...@buerste.com>
wrote the following:

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>"azotic" <azo...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>> This one involves an art project. A Salinas middle school student said her
>> teacher stopped her from drawing the American flag, while another
>> student's picture of President Obama was praised.
>>
>> Tracy Hathaway said the art teacher at Gavilan View Middle School told her
>> daughter she couldn't draw the American flag because it was offensive.
>>
>> http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Salinas-Teacher-Calls-Flag-Drawing-Offensive-93423139.html

The teacher is an idiot, but the child has obviously been Godwashed by
her parents and/or church. I'll bet the flag, by itself, might have
been allowed. What wasn't allowed was a flag inundated by God Bless
America (TWICE, no less), One Nation under God, and In God We Trust.

It offends me, too. (God 'n I get along just fine. It's the religious
freaks who try to push him/her on everyone most of the time that I
have trouble with. Stormin Mormon and Amway salesmen, y'know?) The
media have found another scapegoat to hunt.

When are you folks gonna turn off your TV sets and stop buying into
the hype that they call "news", hmm?


>Let's see...what offends liberuls:

>-Prayer
>-Religious symbols

Well, those offend me at times, too. Proselytizing, especially.
May Thor's hammer come down on them for it. ;)


>-Nuclear family

Nuclear power.


>-Free speech

Unless it's their own.


>-Uninterrupted pregnancies

If I ever get pregnant, I want options, too.


>-Etc, etc, etc


--
You will find that the mere resolve not to be useless,
and the honest desire to help other people, will, in
the quickest and delicatest ways, improve yourself.
-- John Ruskin

Roger Shoaf

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May 12, 2010, 1:49:39 PM5/12/10
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Larry,

How in the hell do you expect to be controlled if you continue to think for
yourself and hold your own opinions?

Further you frustrate people taking political polls because if you do not
think like everyone else in column A or column B how in the world will these
folks classify you?

You have probably been reading books again haven't you?

--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.


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Larry Jaques

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May 12, 2010, 11:55:39 PM5/12/10
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On Wed, 12 May 2010 10:49:39 -0700, "Roger Shoaf"
<sh...@nospamsyix.com> wrote the following:

>Larry,
>
>How in the hell do you expect to be controlled if you continue to think for
>yourself and hold your own opinions?

>Further you frustrate people taking political polls because if you do not
>think like everyone else in column A or column B how in the world will these
>folks classify you?
>
>You have probably been reading books again haven't you?

Thanks, Roger. I needed that. ;)

P.S: Yes, indeedy. I'm an avid reader.

Michael A. Terrell

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May 13, 2010, 12:21:25 AM5/13/10
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Wire brushes...


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have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

Michael A. Terrell

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May 13, 2010, 9:39:14 AM5/13/10
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Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> On Wed, 12 May 2010 10:49:39 -0700, "Roger Shoaf"
> <sh...@nospamsyix.com> wrote the following:
>
> >Larry,
> >
> >How in the hell do you expect to be controlled if you continue to think for
> >yourself and hold your own opinions?
>
> >Further you frustrate people taking political polls because if you do not
> >think like everyone else in column A or column B how in the world will these
> >folks classify you?
> >
> >You have probably been reading books again haven't you?
>
> Thanks, Roger. I needed that. ;)
>
> P.S: Yes, indeedy. I'm an avid reader.


Just how long does it take you to read an 'avid'? ;-)

Lewis Hartswick

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May 13, 2010, 5:26:23 PM5/13/10
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 May 2010 10:49:39 -0700, "Roger Shoaf"
>> <sh...@nospamsyix.com> wrote the following:
>>
>>> Larry,
>>>
>>> How in the hell do you expect to be controlled if you continue to think for
>>> yourself and hold your own opinions?
>>> Further you frustrate people taking political polls because if you do not
>>> think like everyone else in column A or column B how in the world will these
>>> folks classify you?
>>>
>>> You have probably been reading books again haven't you?
>> Thanks, Roger. I needed that. ;)
>>
>> P.S: Yes, indeedy. I'm an avid reader.
>
>
> Just how long does it take you to read an 'avid'? ;-)
>
>
And what library did you find them in? :-)
...lew...

Michael A. Terrell

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May 13, 2010, 6:52:55 PM5/13/10
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Cetainly none that would give HIM a library card! ;-)

Larry Jaques

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May 13, 2010, 11:28:15 PM5/13/10
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On Thu, 13 May 2010 15:26:23 -0600, Lewis Hartswick
<lhart...@earthlink.net> wrote the following:

"She's in the aviary, studying trees."


>And what library did you find them in? :-)

Do you mean "In which library did you find them?", Lew?
It was misfiled right next to Ovid in the local library, of course.

--
Work and struggle and never accept an evil that you can change.
-- Andre Gide

Buerste

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"Larry Jaques" <lja...@diversify.invalid> wrote in message
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> P.S: Yes, indeedy. I'm an avid reader.
>
> --

Reading what? We might arrange a book exchange, I have thousands of novels.


Buerste

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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Buerste wrote:

Wire brushes imply actual physical labor. Libtards are offended by ANY
labor...unless it's a (non)labor union.


Michael A. Terrell

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May 14, 2010, 3:02:32 AM5/14/10
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Sure, but they prefer plastic brushes. It matches what passes for
their personality. :(

David R.Birch

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May 14, 2010, 5:50:41 AM5/14/10
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Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Thu, 13 May 2010 15:26:23 -0600, Lewis Hartswick
> <lhart...@earthlink.net> wrote the following:
>
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 12 May 2010 10:49:39 -0700, "Roger Shoaf"
>>>> <sh...@nospamsyix.com> wrote the following:
>>>>
>>>>> Larry,
>>>>>
>>>>> How in the hell do you expect to be controlled if you continue to think for
>>>>> yourself and hold your own opinions?
>>>>> Further you frustrate people taking political polls because if you do not
>>>>> think like everyone else in column A or column B how in the world will these
>>>>> folks classify you?
>>>>>
>>>>> You have probably been reading books again haven't you?
>>>> Thanks, Roger. I needed that. ;)
>>>>
>>>> P.S: Yes, indeedy. I'm an avid reader.
>>>
>>> Just how long does it take you to read an 'avid'? ;-)
>
> "She's in the aviary, studying trees."

"You may sit here in the waiting room or wait here in the sitting room."

David

Larry Jaques

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May 14, 2010, 8:38:18 AM5/14/10
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On Fri, 14 May 2010 02:13:09 -0400, "Buerste" <bue...@buerste.com>
wrote the following:

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>"Larry Jaques" <lja...@diversify.invalid> wrote in message
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>
>> P.S: Yes, indeedy. I'm an avid reader.
>

>Reading what? We might arrange a book exchange, I have thousands of novels.

Oh, sure. Like I want all those Danielle Steele novels and _The Lesbo
Love Lush of Lower Ludlow_. Uh, huh.

I have a wide range of reading interests, from histo-political (_The
Genius of the People_ is on one of my 5 to-be-read stacks) to scifi to
science to wooddorking to metaldorking to woo-woo (as my ex-BIL called
the psychic world) to health to nature. Anything interesting. I just
picked up _Backroads of Oregon_ and want to go for a drive now. But
I'm too busy. <sigh> Owning businesses is a mixed blessing, but I'm
sure you know that. I need 6-8 weeks off to let a stress fracture of
my left index metatarsal/phalangeal joint heal, but even The Chosen
One's Obamacare won't help me there. (No, it's not from wearing
high-heels, silly girl.)

Whatcha got? Maybe we could swap boxfuls. (No 2-way trips. That gets
too expensive. If it's a keeper, keep it.)

Michael A. Terrell

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Larry Jaques wrote:
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> (No, it's not from wearing high-heels, silly girl.)


So, you've already mastered that skill? ;-)

Buerste

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They do wonders for his legs!


Buerste

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"Larry Jaques" <lja...@diversify.invalid> wrote in message
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Sorry, no "bodice rippers". I won't part with any of my reference material
but...hmmmm, I'll have to think about how to classify my library.


Wes

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May 14, 2010, 2:50:36 PM5/14/10
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"azotic" <azo...@cox.net> wrote:

>Tracy Hathaway said the art teacher at Gavilan View Middle School told her
>daughter she couldn't draw the American flag because it was offensive.
>

To who? I'm fine with it.

Wes

Michael A. Terrell

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Buerste wrote:
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> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:W6SdndklK-IF63DW...@earthlink.com...
> >
> > Larry Jaques wrote:
> >>
> >> (No, it's not from wearing high-heels, silly girl.)
> >
> >
> > So, you've already mastered that skill? ;-)
>
> They do wonders for his legs!


Does he still blush when he gets a wolf whistle? ;-)

Michael A. Terrell

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Offensive to idiot liberal art teachers. :(

azotic

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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> Wes wrote:
>>
>> "azotic" <azo...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Tracy Hathaway said the art teacher at Gavilan View Middle School told
>> >her
>> >daughter she couldn't draw the American flag because it was offensive.
>> >
>>
>> To who? I'm fine with it.
>
>
> Offensive to idiot liberal art teachers. :(
>

Offensive to ideological subversive movements that have taken control of our
educational system at all levels. Obviously the teacher disregarded the
childs
2nd ammendment rights which can only be remadied by involking an involentary
carrier change to spare future students the verbal chastisement this
educator has
in store for any pupil whos ideology does not align with hers.

Best Regards
Tom.


Lloyd E. Sponenburgh

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May 14, 2010, 9:23:41 PM5/14/10
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"azotic" <azo...@cox.net> fired this volley in
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> 2nd ammendment rights which can only be remadied by involking an
> involentary carrier change to spare future students the verbal
> chastisement this educator has
> in store for any pupil whos ideology does not align with hers.
>

Part of the problem that allows teachers to assume positions of authority
then foist their idea(l)s upon students is that some of them are
literate. Few of the general population of middle-school teachers are
actually well-educated; true enough, even though they have "degrees" in
"general education" (more of a description of the character of what they
learned, than the scope of what they'll do). But more of the radical
types are functionally literate than the "equal-pay-for-all-regardless-
of-skills" types.

Some of "us" who condemn them are not. Those who are not have no right
or ability to fight back, using illiterate, inane commentary. It has no
use, and exhonerates the radicals' positions.

I wholeheartedly condemn what that teacher did. I can also write a
cogent, well punctuated and properly spelled treatise on why I condemn
it.

Get a book.

LLoyd


Ed Huntress

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"azotic" <azo...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:5PGdnVOzx8YeJXDW...@earthlink.com...
>>
>> Wes wrote:
>>>
>>> "azotic" <azo...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Tracy Hathaway said the art teacher at Gavilan View Middle School told
>>> >her
>>> >daughter she couldn't draw the American flag because it was offensive.
>>> >
>>>
>>> To who? I'm fine with it.
>>
>>
>> Offensive to idiot liberal art teachers. :(
>>
>
> Offensive to ideological subversive movements that have taken control of
> our
> educational system at all levels. Obviously the teacher disregarded the
> childs
> 2nd ammendment rights....

Was the kid carrying concealed at the time?

--
Ed Huntress

Larry Jaques

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On Fri, 14 May 2010 14:24:23 -0400, "Buerste" <bue...@buerste.com>
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>"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>
>>> (No, it's not from wearing high-heels, silly girl.)
>>
>>
>> So, you've already mastered that skill? ;-)
>

>> Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
>> have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
>
>They do wonders for his legs!

I can't imagine how much pain would come from putting a
stress-fractured foot into a high heel and walking.

azotic

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"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> "azotic" <azo...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:5PGdnVOzx8YeJXDW...@earthlink.com...
>>>
>>> Wes wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "azotic" <azo...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Tracy Hathaway said the art teacher at Gavilan View Middle School told
>>>> >her
>>>> >daughter she couldn't draw the American flag because it was offensive.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> To who? I'm fine with it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Offensive to idiot liberal art teachers. :(
>>>
>>
>> Offensive to ideological subversive movements that have taken control of
>> our
>> educational system at all levels. Obviously the teacher disregarded the
>> childs
>> 2nd ammendment rights....
>
> Was the kid carrying concealed at the time?
>
> --
> Ed Huntress
>

Of course. Offensive ideas.<G>

Best Regards
Tom.


Jeff R.

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"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message

> Some of "us" who condemn them are not. Those who are not have no right
> or ability to fight back, using illiterate, inane commentary. It has no
> use, and exhonerates the radicals' positions.
>
> I wholeheartedly condemn what that teacher did. I can also write a
> cogent, well punctuated and properly spelled treatise on why I condemn
> it.
>
> Get a book.
>
> LLoyd

"exhonerates" ?
Is this a self-referential joke?

--
Jeff R.
(Oh I get it. It's American spellink)


Wes

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"azotic" <azo...@cox.net> wrote:

>This one involves an art project. A Salinas middle school student said her
>teacher stopped her from drawing the American flag, while another student's
>picture of President Obama was praised.
>

>Tracy Hathaway said the art teacher at Gavilan View Middle School told her
>daughter she couldn't draw the American flag because it was offensive.
>

>http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Salinas-Teacher-Calls-Flag-Drawing-Offensive-93423139.html

I'm getting jaded but teacher in my mind now is synonymous with indoctrinator. There are
agendas and education is a battleground. Thank God my teachers tended to be libertarian
and conservative for the most part.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

Wes

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May 15, 2010, 6:41:00 PM5/15/10
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Larry Jaques <lja...@diversify.invalid> wrote:

>Oh, sure. Like I want all those Danielle Steele novels and _The Lesbo
>Love Lush of Lower Ludlow_. Uh, huh.

I have one Danielle Steele novel. Saw a picture of a propeller and bought it on impulse
at Waldenbooks. Wife at the time laughed her ass off. Told me who Danielle Steel is and
what her genre consisted of.

Not sure if ex-wifie read it, she seemed to like bodice rippers.

Azotic

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"Wes" <ClutchAtL...@Gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "azotic" <azo...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>This one involves an art project. A Salinas middle school student said her
>>teacher stopped her from drawing the American flag, while another
>>student's
>>picture of President Obama was praised.
>>
>>Tracy Hathaway said the art teacher at Gavilan View Middle School told her
>>daughter she couldn't draw the American flag because it was offensive.
>>
>>http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Salinas-Teacher-Calls-Flag-Drawing-Offensive-93423139.html
>
> I'm getting jaded but teacher in my mind now is synonymous with
> indoctrinator. There are
> agendas and education is a battleground. Thank God my teachers tended to
> be libertarian
> and conservative for the most part.
>
> Wes
> --

You got it right. We really dont have many true teachers left.
Most of todays teachers resemble the UAW members of the 1970's.


Illinois House kills school voucher bill
Fervent lobbying by unions sinks idea to give students $3,700 to switch to
private or parochial schools
May 05, 2010|By Ray Long and Michelle Manchir, Tribune Reporters
SPRINGFIELD - A measure to let students in Chicago's worst-performing and
most-overcrowded elementary schools use taxpayer-funded vouchers to attend
private schools was defeated in the Illinois House on Wednesday, giving
teachers unions a major victory.

The landmark legislation would have made Chicago Public Schools the site of
what experts said would be the nation's largest voucher program. Up to
30,000 of the district's 400,000 students could have left the weak schools
they now attend, setting up competition for public schools.

The legislation got through the Senate in March after being championed by
Sen. James Meeks, D-Chicago, and suburban Republicans. But by Wednesday,
teachers unions had regrouped and its supporters found themselves pleading
with opponents to overcome a furious lobbying effort to stop the bill.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-05-05/news/ct-met-legislature-taxes-0506-20100505_1_school-voucher-bill-chicago-public-schools-inner-city-schools

Best Regards

Tom.


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Gunner Asch

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On Tue, 11 May 2010 16:41:58 -0700, "azotic" <azo...@cox.net> wrote:

>This one involves an art project. A Salinas middle school student said her
>teacher stopped her from drawing the American flag, while another student's
>picture of President Obama was praised.
>
>Tracy Hathaway said the art teacher at Gavilan View Middle School told her
>daughter she couldn't draw the American flag because it was offensive.
>
>http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Salinas-Teacher-Calls-Flag-Drawing-Offensive-93423139.html
>
>
>

>Best Regards
>
>Tom.
>
>
No wonder Salinas has one of the highest California Unemployment
rates..at 50%

All the teachers are stupid and train the kids that way.

Gunner

>
>

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that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

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Gunner Asch

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On Wed, 12 May 2010 05:37:49 -0700, Larry Jaques
<lja...@diversify.invalid> wrote:

>
>The teacher is an idiot, but the child has obviously been Godwashed by
>her parents and/or church. I'll bet the flag, by itself, might have
>been allowed. What wasn't allowed was a flag inundated by God Bless
>America (TWICE, no less), One Nation under God, and In God We Trust.

Then send me all of your cash. Cant be happy to own something with God
on it?

Send me your cash.

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