Re: Alittle Gun History

[Red Prepper]

On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 16:32:39 -0400, Ed Huntress
<hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 12:09:54 -0700, Winston Smith
> <inv...@butterfly.net> wrote:


> >On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 14:15:23 -0400, Ed Huntress
> ><hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 09:54:40 -0700, Winston Smith
> >><inv...@butterfly.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 02:01:20 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>That depends on what you're trying to do. If the object is to
make it
> >>>>harder for criminals to get guns, then the system we have in
the US,
> >>>>overall, couldn't be less effective if we *tried* to make it
fail.
> >>>
> >>>>As for guns and criminals, admit it, Winston: Nobody gives a
shit. We
> >>>>gave up any hope of doing that a half-century ago.
> >>>
> >>>You have inadvertently stumbled onto the truth ;>}
> >>
> >>There's nothing inadvertent about it. If you had asked me the same
> >>question 20 years ago, I would have given you the same answer.
> >>
> >>A few hours spent reading gun-control-related posts on this NG, or
> >>nearly any other, illustrates the point. The issue quickly
switches
> >>from crime and its consequences, to rights. Within a few posts in
any
> >>thread, any mention of human lives lost or ruined disappears.
Before
> >>long, someone like Gunner will post some statistics on
black-on-black
> >>crime, and someone like you will say something dismissive or
demeaning
> >>about the subhuman lives of people who live in cities. Case
closed.
> >>Subject successfully diverted.
> >
> >It is about rights. There is crime and people have a right to
defend
> >their lives. As to statistics, there does seem to be a disconnect
> >between who is mis-using guns and who the grabbers want to take
them
> >away from.
> >
> >>It becomes a matter of not wanting to have any limits put on one's
> >>toys -- machine guns are fun, above all else. Discussions about
> >>defense devolve into arcane debates about bullet expansion, tissue
> >>damage and rates of fire.
> >
> >I don't want limits on my toys. I have no problem coming down with
> >both feet on those who mis-use guns or any other toys.
> >
> >>Human beings are left on the debate floor. Everything becomes
> >>self-focused -- a matter of what it means to the person speaking,
and
> >>to hell with anyone else.
> >
> >The criminal and the innocent victim and the recreational shooter
are
> >all people. But they are so different, one size fits all regulation
> >can't address them equally.
> >
> >>In other words, nobody gives a shit. As for when this happened, I
> >>think you can trace it to reactions to the GCA '68. Grievances and
> >>self-righteous pomposity were suddenly OK to say out in the open.
The
> >>atmosphere heated up, people started wrapping themselves in the
flag,
> >>God, and the Revolution, and then the NRA's Cincinnati Revolt
turned
> >>it into a pure culture war.
> >
> >The rationale behind the 2nd IS reserving the peoples right to
> >revolution. It's not about duck hunting.
> >
> >>What's most important here is what was lost in the process: All
sense
> >>of social responsibility and respect for the lives of others.
Nobody
> >>gives a shit.
> >
> >To quote the old saw, my gun has killed less people than Ted
Kennedy's
> >car. We don't take cars way from people who MIGHT go do road rage.
By
> >simple analogy, we should deny everyone automobiles because they
might
> >intentionally use them as a weapon. Public transportation, that's
the
> >ticket.
> >
> >Other than limiting sugar consumption by limiting soda size,
> >government isn't real hot about denying anyone anything except
when it
> >comes to guns. They aren't even that fired up against recreational
> >drugs now that they figured out how to make a buck on it.
> >
> >>>The government can mop up real criminals anytime they want.
> >>
> >>No they can't.
> >>
> >>>They have
> >>>no problem doing that...
> >>
> >>Under our Constitution, they have no way of doing that.
> >
> >No such thing as police raids???


> On what? The gang-bangers' club house and dance hall?


> >
> >>>; citizens have no problem with them doing that.
> >>
> >>That's probably true. Most people would be happy to turn the other
> >>way.
> >
> >Taking criminals off the streets is not turning the other way. Of
> >course I assume all legal considerations are in place.
> >
> >>>It's the honest citizen they don't want armed.
> >>
> >>Bullshit.
> >>
> >>>Pesky peasants get
> >>>uppity sometimes and revolt. Can't have that. At least limit
them to
> >>>torches and pitchforks.
> >>>
> >>> That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working
class
> >>>flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it
stays
> >>>there.
> >>> -- George Orwell.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Side note: I had to google for the exact quote. As usual "related
> >>>pictures" showed up. Lots of things hanging on walls -- but not
one
> >>>gun.


> I think you just made my point, but we can count on your arguments
> being preferred in this environment. I'll just add it to my cultural
> anthropology notes. d8-)


> --
> Ed Cuntdress

Why don't you take you little snippyness over to RCM and then when
you are finished turning Winston on with your verbal foreplay, his
bottle of Viagra pills should have kicked in by then. Lucky you! Go.
Go now. He's probably there now waiting for you. Here, I'll give you
a boost over the fence.

[Red Prepper]

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:09:50 -0500, Ed Huntress
<hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 16:17:31 -0500, Red Prepper <r...@red.com> wrote:


> >On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 16:03:33 -0400, Ed Huntress
> ><hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 14:05:30 -0500, Red Prepper <r...@red.com>
wrote:
> >
> >
> >> >On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 14:26:56 -0400, Ed Huntress
> >> ><hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 12:53:21 -0500, Red Prepper <r...@red.com>
> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> >On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 08:44:21 -0700 (PDT), CanopyCo
> >> >> ><Junk...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:30:42 PM UTC-5, Ed
Huntress
> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >> > On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 14:31:26 -0700, Winston Smith
> >> >> >> > <inv...@butterfly.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > >On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 17:15:02 -0400, SteveGG wrote:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >>Any sane person, will rightly realize that gun deaths
> >> >> >> > >> would be reduced if guns were reduced or eliminated.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >Just about totally outlawed in Chicago. That's working
out
> >> >well.
> >> >> >Must
> >> >> >> > >be just the insane that live there and they don't
realize
> >how
> >> >> >safe the
> >> >> >> > >law has made them.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Well, you realize the underlying point that the
> >> >anti-regulation
> >> >> >side
> >> >> >> > always ignores here: A gang-banger's girlfriend from
> >Chicago's
> >> >> >Fuller
> >> >> >> > Park can jump on a train and in less than an hour be in
a
> >> >really
> >> >> >great
> >> >> >> > gun shop in Aurora and buy anything she wants. Jump back
on
> >a
> >> >> >train,
> >> >> >> > and in no time, it's "bang-bang."
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > That's a problem in many cities that have a gang
problem,
> >and
> >> >it
> >> >> >> > frustrates the hell out of them.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > Ed Huntress
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> That works for going to Mexico and Canada if they decide
to
> >make
> >> >> >the entire country have the same laws as Chicago.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >If the cunt in a dress thinks Mookie's girlfriend can get
from
> >> >Fuller
> >> >> >Park to Aurora in less than an hour by train, then it would
> >have
> >> >to
> >> >> >be a "bullet" train.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Well, give her two hours. 35 minutes by Metra from Fuller
Park
> >to
> >> >> Union Station; 45 minutes on the express from Union Station
to
> >> >Aurora.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >You really are a moron, making a bigger fool of yourself with
> >every
> >> >word you type.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Don't ever take the local to Aurora. I made that mistake last
> >> >summer.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> --
> >> >> Ed Cuntdress
> >> >
> >> >You really are a stupid lying cunt. Why would she take four 2
> >hour+
> >> >train rides 3 days apart, when she can just go around the
corner
> >and
> >> >buy one off the street and take immediate delivery?
> >
> >
> >> Look, you tedious jackass. That was a hypothetical to make a
point.
> >I
> >> just picked Chicago and Aurora out of a hat because I go there a
lot
> >> and I used to buy ammo in two gunstores in the area -- one in
Aurora
> >> and one in Plainfield. There are closer gun stores. There's even
one
> >> in Cicero.
> >
> >Another lie. No gun stores in Cicero. But the closest to Fuller
Park
> >would be Chuck's in Riverdale.


> What ius this "lie" crap? You're wrong. The closest would be just
west
> of Cicero, and the one I was thinking of: Midwest Guns & Pistol
Range
> in Lyons.


> Does that mean you just told another "lie"? What an asshole.


> >
> >> The point in answering Winston's question is, if it flew over
your
> >> head, that the reason gun laws in big cities are useless is
because,
> >> just outside of those cities, any straw purchaser, or anyone who
> >> doesn't have a disqualifying record, can go just outside of the
city
> >> and buy guns through the legal channels. Hell, if he wants an
AR-15
> >
> >
> >No it isn't you lying cunt. The reason you wrote that was because
you
> >thought you could get away with another lie. You thought you could
> >post how easy it would be to take a quick train ride and return in
> >"no time" with a gun. You said, "Jump back on a train, and in no
> >time, it's "bang-bang."" You tried to lie but didn't know about
the
> >waiting period, so you lied. Otherwise you would have just said
> >Indiana from the beginning.


> Oh, bullshit. The point was made: any straw purchaser just has to
go a
> few miles to get around the law and buy a gun from a legal source.


> >
> >
> >
> >> and he just got out of prison, a Chicago gang-banger can just
> >shuffle
> >> down to the corner of Indiana and buy one through a private
sale. No
> >> background check, no waiting period. Unless he's asked, he
doesn't
> >> even have to lie.
> >
> >You stupid cunt. He doesn't have to go as far as Indiana. He can
just
> >go across the street or on the next block.
> >
> >
> >> I'm not suggesting that would be their first choice. They'll
take
> >the
> >> easiest path. But the fact is that any gun laws in Chicago have
> >> nothing to do with a criminal's ability to buy a gun, even
through
> >> legal channels of gun stores and private sales.
> >
> >
> >> And that's why most gun laws are mostly useless. Local and city
laws
> >> are a joke, if anyone thinks they close off channels of gun
purchase
> >> for criminals.
> >
> >
> >> A key point, though, is that virtually all guns get on the market
> >> initially through legal channels. If that gang-banger buys an
> >illegal
> >> gun around the corner, the question there is how it got into the
> >> illegal market in the first place. But the entire system is such
a
> >> joke that they don't even have to be stolen to make it into the
> >> criminal market. All it can take is a friendly straw purchaser
and a
> >> trip or two to the suburbs -- or to the next state, in the case
on
> >> long guns.
> >
> >You stupid cunt in a dress. These guns never got on the market
> >through legal channels...
>
>https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/illinois/articles/2017-10-03/1
s
> >t-thief-up-for-sentencing-in-major-chicago-train-guns-case




> >
> >
> >
> >> Now, you'll probably want to know what I was doing buying ammo in
> >> Plainfield. Go ahead and ask, if you want to continue being an
ass.
> >> --
> >> Ed Cuntdress
> >
> >Nope, it's likely more lies and I don't care but I know you are
dying
> >to tell someone. You probably went there to suck someone's cock.
So
> >just tell us which cunt dress you were wearing instead.

You came back to troll in a four month old thread? You stupid cunt in
a dress! Did Iggy let you out of your cage at rec.cunts.metalworking
again?

[Ed Huntress]

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:46:35 -0600, Red Prepper <r...@red.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:09:50 -0500, Ed Huntress
><hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:

<snip>

> There's even
>one
>> >> in Cicero.
>> >
>> >Another lie. No gun stores in Cicero. But the closest to Fuller
>Park
>> >would be Chuck's in Riverdale.
>
>
>> What ius this "lie" crap? You're wrong. The closest would be just
>west
>> of Cicero, and the one I was thinking of: Midwest Guns & Pistol
>Range
>> in Lyons.

That was posted by mistake when I was cleaning up my "drafts" folder.
I decided at the time that it wasn't worth an argument about which was
closer, but I posted it rather than deleting it, which is what I
intended.

But Lyons is miles closer than Riverdale. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

[Red Prepper]

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 10:50:11 -0500, Ed Huntress

> Ed Cuntdress

I thought it might be a forgery since you didn't sign the post like
you usually do. You are correct that it is worth the argument. Just
go back to rec.cunts.metalworking and die there.

[Ed Cuntdress]

Why do you keep coming back here you cunt in a red dress? Why don't you stay
in the survival group with the guy with the big pecker? What is wrong with
you? Do we need to contact someone to get you help, many an evaluation?
Maybe you should surrender your guns until the results come in.