On Fri, 11 May 2018 10:00:25 -0700, Bud Dickman <b...@phyl.con> wrote:
> Laws that prohibit
>arms that are not protected under the right are constitutional, of
>course. That's why every appellate court that has considered challenges
>to laws prohibiting "assault weapons" has upheld the laws that prohibit
>such weapons. You don't have a right to them, fucktard.
Ah..not every one. Several have been overturned as being
unconstitutional.
https://nypost.com/2018/02/26/florida-lawmakers-reject-assault-weapons-ban-approve-bill-allowing-teachers-to-carry-guns/
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-stokes-assault-weapon-ban-20180301-story.html
The assault weapons ban didn't work. A new version won't, either
By Jon Stokes
Mar 01, 2018 | 9:40 AM
The assault weapons ban didn't work. A new version won't, either
Assault-style rifles. ((George Frey / Getty Images))
There is no denying that the AR-15 β an open-source, modular weapon
platform that's the fruit of many tens of billions of private and
public dollars in small arms research and almost six decades of
innovation β is the most easy to use and the most lethal gun available
to civilians. Those of us who defend the 2nd Amendment right to own
guns must reckon with this technological reality.
But we can't find common ground with gun safety advocates as long as
they use shoddy arguments and manipulated statistics to cloud the
debate. A case in point is the widely cited work of Louis Klarevas, a
professor at the University of Massachusetts at Boston whose 2016
book, "Rampage Nation: Security America From Mass Shootings," has
lately bolstered calls for a renewal of the 1994 assault weapons ban,
which lapsed in 2004. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) gave President
Trump a bar chart attributed to Klarevas at Wednesday's guns
roundtable.
Until Klarevas came along, virtually all researchers had concluded
that it was impossible to discern what, if any, positive effect the
ban's prohibition of rifles with "military-style features" had on
crime or mass shooting incidents. This is why many gun-control
advocacy groups, including Sandy Hook Promise, do not include a ban on
their list of legislative priorities. The last ban was politically
costly for Democrats and, as a ProPublica investigation reported in
2014, gun control experts said there was no evidence it saved lives.
"Rampage Nation" has energized proponents of a new ban by making the
spectacular claim that, contrary to the consensus, the original was
responsible for a remarkable 37% decline in mass shooting fatalities.
But there's a serious flaw in Klarevas' result: There are few actual
"assault weapons" of any type in his dataset, either pre- or post-ban.
Klarevas and his allies are taking an apparent drop in fatalities from
what are mostly handgun shootings (again, pre-ban as well as post) and
attributing this lowered body count to the 1994 legislation.
If a new ban passes and itβs anything like the old one, millions of
Americans will be able to legally obtain substantially the same guns
we can buy today.
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I say "apparent" drop in fatalities because, as Klarevas admits in a
footnote, if you use the most widely accepted threshold for
categorizing a shooting as a "mass shooting" β four fatalities, as
opposed to Klarevas' higher threshold of six β the 1994 to 2004 drop
in fatalities disappears entirely. Had Klarevas chosen a "mass
shooting" threshold of five fatalities instead of six, then the
dramatic pause he notes in mass shootings between 1994 to 1999 would
disappear too.
Klarevas doesn't disaggregate his list of mass shootings by weapon
type, so I had to do that myself by cross-referencing his dataset with
Mother Jones' list of U.S. mass shootings and with news reports.
What I found was that for the decade prior to the ban, only two of the
19 mass shootings in Klarevas' dataset involved civilian versions of
military rifles. Another three involved pistols banned by name under
the 1994 legislation (two Uzis and one Tec-9), but these small guns
use a popular handgun round, 9mm, and not the much larger 5.56 NATO
rifle round that features so prominently in current arguments for why
the government should ban the AR-15.
As for the decade during which the ban was in place, Klarevas concedes
in a footnote that of the 12 shootings in his dataset, only three
actually involved assault weapons.
All told, that's five mass shootings that took place with "assault
weapons" in the decade before the ban, and three that took place
during its tenure. These numbers are far too small for any sort of
statistical inference, especially if you're trying to build a case for
banning tens of millions of legally owned rifles.
Ultimately, the same technological innovations that have made the
AR-15 so popular with hobbyists and so lethally effective have also
rendered functionally unenforceable the original ban's feature-based
approach. In fact, I can say with confidence, based on the modularity
of the AR-15's design, that if a new ban passes and it's anything like
the old one, millions of Americans will be able to legally obtain
substantially the same guns we can buy today, but we'll just have to
buy them in pieces.
The ban's backers will have once again succeeded in frustrating gun
owners with pointless, feel-good regulations, while saving no lives.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/17/assault-weapons-ban_n_3103120.html
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/assault-weapons-ban-failed/2014/09/14/id/594500/
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/why-new-gun-restrictions-failed-this-year-in-the-washington-legislature/
https://www.brit.co/6-key-gun-control-laws-that-have-failed-in-the-5-years-since-sandy-hook/
Its fascinating watching you buffoons keep trying to ban all sorts of
weapons. You have had 50+ yrs of such work..and its failed miserably.
in 1980..we had few states with Concealed Weapons permits. Today..ALL
states have such available. In fact..we now have at least 13 states
that now have Constitutional Carry...and the list is growing.
Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho,, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi,
Missouri, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia and
Wyoming. Michigan as I recall..has had Constitutional Carry bill
signed and is waiting for the implimentation date to arrive.
Thats 14 states that require NO permit to carry a concealed weapon.
Several other states have loosened their laws on CCW.
So frankly buttlips..all that work..all that money you have pissed
away..has been pissed into a deep black hole and you are
never..never...ever going to see it again.
And we are going to continue to carry our weapons. In fact...the last
couple years added at least another 100 million privately owned
weapons along with 20 million "assault weapons". I personally had no
interest in owning an "assault weapon". The (11) I owned back in the
1993 California Assault Weapons ban went out of state. I still own
them however. And in the past year..Ive built (2) "ghost guns"..whicn
is quite legal to do...and they do remain IN California.
Seems you bozos..simply..simply..failed in violating the
Constitution..despite a good try.
Snerk!!
Gunner