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Ed Huntress

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Nov 19, 2015, 2:16:00 PM11/19/15
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At the Fabtech show in Chicago last week there were 525 welding
exhibits. It's hard to believe how many little companies (many from
China) are building little scratch-start TIG/stick boxes these days,
but the big guys aren't dropping prices. Instead, they're building in
some pretty amazing technology.

One that caught a lot of attention is the new Rebel from ESAB. It's so
adaptive that it's amazing. They grabbed students off the floor and
had them weld with it; it made the kids look pretty good. It only has
a few controls. You don't even have to adjust gases for MIG (although
it has regular controls for the experts).

http://www.esabna.com/us/en/dare/

It's worth a look. The price for being a welding dummy is pretty high
these days -- this one is introduced at $1,700 -- but it's nice to
know what it is you'd like to have if you could justify it. It's not a
hobby machine but it's perfect for well-heeled hobbyists.

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Ed Huntress

jon_banquer

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Nov 19, 2015, 3:06:54 PM11/19/15
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> slow eddy


slow eddy is a fucking moron:

Many Chinese affordable welders have hi-frequency start for TIG.

Miller has been pushing "welding dummy" tech for years now with their Auto-Set technology:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_UaYKse_Z4




jon_banquer

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Nov 19, 2015, 3:13:53 PM11/19/15
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Instead of the ridiculous hype that's not helpful and that loser slow eddy posted, look for videos like this on the ESAB Rebel that give you helpful and valuable information:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGUpuLfI4q0

jon_banquer

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Nov 19, 2015, 3:17:24 PM11/19/15
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On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 12:06:54 PM UTC-8, jon_banquer wrote:
Here is a list of ESAB videos on the Rebel that show off what it does differently:

https://www.youtube.com/user/esabweb/videos

Leon Fisk

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Nov 19, 2015, 3:24:43 PM11/19/15
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On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 14:15:54 -0500
Ed Huntress <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:

>At the Fabtech show in Chicago last week there were 525 welding
>exhibits. It's hard to believe how many little companies (many from
>China) are building little scratch-start TIG/stick boxes these days,
>but the big guys aren't dropping prices. Instead, they're building in
>some pretty amazing technology.
<snip>

Did you happen to see/meet Jody? He put up a 25 min video that covered
some of the stuff he liked:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xRloFifAp0

Interesting stuff for people with $$$ ;-)

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Ed Huntress

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Nov 19, 2015, 4:58:42 PM11/19/15
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I spent a couple of hours with Miller at the show and I talk to them
several times every month. I know what they're doing. You watch videos
to help you find the "on" switch. d8-)

Out of 525 welding exhibits at Fabtech, dozens of them were Chinese
box-makers we never heard of, like Hsin Fu Chia Industrial Co Ltd,
Jiangyin Xinlian Welding Equipment Co, and so on. They were all
grouped together. In a show that had a record attendance of over
70,000, the rows of Chinese welders looked like Death Valley.

You really ought to get out more and stop watching so many pay-to-play
videos, Bonkers.

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Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress

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Nov 19, 2015, 5:01:00 PM11/19/15
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On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 16:24:41 -0400, Leon Fisk
<lf...@no.spam.iserv.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 14:15:54 -0500
>Ed Huntress <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>At the Fabtech show in Chicago last week there were 525 welding
>>exhibits. It's hard to believe how many little companies (many from
>>China) are building little scratch-start TIG/stick boxes these days,
>>but the big guys aren't dropping prices. Instead, they're building in
>>some pretty amazing technology.
><snip>
>
>Did you happen to see/meet Jody? He put up a 25 min video that covered
>some of the stuff he liked:
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xRloFifAp0
>
>Interesting stuff for people with $$$ ;-)

No, I'm sorry to say I didn't have time. I spent a lot of time with
Miller and Lincoln Electric. There were 525 exhibits in the welding
section and I was like a one-armed paper hanger. d8-)

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Ed Huntress

jon_banquer

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Nov 19, 2015, 5:05:17 PM11/19/15
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On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 1:58:42 PM UTC-8, slow eddy lied and failed:


jon_banquer

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Nov 19, 2015, 5:09:55 PM11/19/15
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On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 2:01:00 PM UTC-8, slow eddy wrote:

> No, I'm sorry to say I didn't have time. I spent a lot of time with
> Miller and Lincoln Electric. There were 525 exhibits in the welding
> section and I was like a one-armed paper hanger. d8-)
>
> --
> slow eddy.

It's not about knowledge for slow eddy. Instead, it's all about keeping advertisers happy. slow eddy did what he has always done: He got on his knees and sucked advertiser dick.

Ed Huntress

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Nov 19, 2015, 6:29:46 PM11/19/15
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Some day, if you live that long, you may find out that advertisers
only buy advertising in magazines that have a proven readership, and
they only stay with them if they produce inquiries that lead to sales.
With digital magazines, where every inquiry is a click-through that
advertisers count by the source, there is no way to fake it and
nowhere to hide. You either have the right readers or you don't. It's
brutal.

Claiming "members" on a blog or a LinkedIn group, when your activity
really is very light, doesn't cut it. That's the difference between a
publication that contains information that people want to read for the
sake of their business, and a bitch session around a virtual water
cooler.

I really doubt if you'll ever get it, but it's the reason you will
never do anything with your writing. You can bitch, and get on a
bitching bandwagon, and ride it all around the Internet, and you'll
still be broke -- because there's nothing to your group except a
chance to blow off some steam about how everyone else is stupid while
you're so smart. It means nothing much. It's worth nothing much. And
that's what you'll always get out of it.

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Ed Huntress

jon_banquer

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Nov 19, 2015, 7:11:24 PM11/19/15
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On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 3:29:46 PM UTC-8, slow eddy lied and failed:


Leon Fisk

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Nov 20, 2015, 12:17:24 PM11/20/15
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On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:00:55 -0500
Ed Huntress <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:

<snip>
>No, I'm sorry to say I didn't have time. I spent a lot of time with
>Miller and Lincoln Electric. There were 525 exhibits in the welding
>section and I was like a one-armed paper hanger. d8-)

Oh well, there is always next year...

You'll have to watch his video then and see what you missed ;-)

One thing that caught my eye was a self feeding TIG welder. Kinda like
your ESAB MIG machine.

There aren't many celebrities I would care to meet, but Jody is one of
them. Problem is there was likely people like me waiting in line for
the same opportunity...

Ed Huntress

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Nov 20, 2015, 1:37:30 PM11/20/15
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 13:17:19 -0400, Leon Fisk
<lf...@no.spam.iserv.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:00:55 -0500
>Ed Huntress <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
><snip>
>>No, I'm sorry to say I didn't have time. I spent a lot of time with
>>Miller and Lincoln Electric. There were 525 exhibits in the welding
>>section and I was like a one-armed paper hanger. d8-)
>
>Oh well, there is always next year...
>
>You'll have to watch his video then and see what you missed ;-)

Yeah, I saw it. He picked up on a lot of little things, fixturing and
so on, that will be significant for certain users, but which would
escape someone who doesn't weld all the time or who doesn't do a
variety of work. That's why we need a few submitted articles by people
like Jody who are really into it. We try to keep a mix like that;
around 40% of our articles are either assigned out to other writers,
or submitted over the transom.

>
>One thing that caught my eye was a self feeding TIG welder. Kinda like
>your ESAB MIG machine.

Yeah, I saw that, too. I think our sister publication (Welding
Productivity) picked up on it, and may report on it some time next
year.

>
>There aren't many celebrities I would care to meet, but Jody is one of
>them. Problem is there was likely people like me waiting in line for
>the same opportunity...

He certainly has a great presentation style and a broad range of
knowledge. Specializing like that has its advantages.

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Ed Huntress

Amigo

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Nov 26, 2015, 9:18:05 PM11/26/15
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replying to Ed Huntress , Amigo wrote:
> huntres23 wrote:
>
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 16:24:41 -0400, Leon Fisk
> No, I'm sorry to say I didn't have time. I spent a lot of time with
> Miller and Lincoln Electric. There were 525 exhibits in the welding
> section and I was like a one-armed paper hanger. d8-)


Take it from an old man who been there. For "stick" arc welding an
inexpensive Lincoln AC-DC, change plug-for-range, or the little Miller
Lightning is hard to beat.
$1700......Ouch

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