NRA knife made in China
Ed Huntress
after a lapse of maybe 12 years or so, and for paying by credit card.
Actually, for re-upping I got a rosewood-handled multitool with a case and a
set of screwdriver tips that fit into the case. This one is pretty slick,
like a fashion designer's version of a Leatherman. The knife was for paying
by credit card.
It's a pretty little lockblade with a rosewood handle. It's a little rough
and gritty but I probably can smooth it out by pumping in some stainless
polish and working it open and closed for an hour or so while watching the
ballgame tonight.
On one side of the blade is etched "NRA - National Rifle Association" and
"Stainless." On the other side it says "440" and "China."
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Ignoramus30458
knives.
i
Ed Huntress
"Ignoramus30458" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.30458.invalid> wrote in message
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> Probably the same factory that makes Handgun Control, Inc's membership
> knives.
>
Ooh, weee. What do they look like? Serrated edge and a gut hook, I'll bet.
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Louis Ohland
Got a coffee mug from the Family Readiness Group people. As expected.
made in china.
Ed Huntress
"Louis Ohland" <ohl...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:I1hKi.218$kv3...@newsfe12.lga...
I have to wonder about where the premiums are made for Society of
Manufacturing Engineers membership.
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Too_Many_Tools
So what do you think of the NRA supporting the Chinese Army?
You know that they could have gone with an AMERICAN supplier.
If the members of the NRA were really as patriotic as they pretend to
be, the NRA would be using an AMERICAN supplier.
It would seem patriotism stops at one's pocketbook.
TMT
Ed Huntress
"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Oh, I think it was just a cost thing. Premiums like that are no more than
tokens, anyway. It just struck me funny.
It is a nice looking little lockblade. I'll see if I can make something
decent out of it. Too bad the "China" is stamped in. I could fix it if it
was just a light etch. d8-)
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carneyke
> You know that they could have gone with an AMERICAN supplier.
Let's see -Shrade closed, Camilus closed. Who else makes knives in the
USA for 10-20 dollars ? There all gone.....
>
> If the members of the NRA were really as patriotic as they pretend to
> be, the NRA would be using an AMERICAN supplier.
>
> It would seem patriotism stops at one's pocketbook.
>
> TMT- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Larry Jaques
Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> quickly quoth:
>'Got my new NRA knife today, which was my gift for starting my membership up
So are you stating it this way due to guilt (from buying Chiwanese),
or what, Ed? <chortle>
>after a lapse of maybe 12 years or so, and for paying by credit card.
>Actually, for re-upping I got a rosewood-handled multitool with a case and a
>set of screwdriver tips that fit into the case. This one is pretty slick,
>like a fashion designer's version of a Leatherman. The knife was for paying
>by credit card.
>
>It's a pretty little lockblade with a rosewood handle. It's a little rough
>and gritty but I probably can smooth it out by pumping in some stainless
>polish and working it open and closed for an hour or so while watching the
>ballgame tonight.
Ah, that's what I should do with my rigging (nautical) knife. The
hawkbill blade is mighty hard to open which makes it dangerous. Oil
helped but a bit of lapping powder might be just the thing it needs.
>On one side of the blade is etched "NRA - National Rifle Association" and
>"Stainless." On the other side it says "440" and "China."
Sad, huh?
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the quality, just the software.
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Ed Huntress
"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:6l8jf3lkipr45lpbh...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:31:20 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
> Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> quickly quoth:
>
>>'Got my new NRA knife today, which was my gift for starting my membership
>>up
>
> So are you stating it this way due to guilt (from buying Chiwanese),
> or what, Ed? <chortle>
>
>
>>after a lapse of maybe 12 years or so, and for paying by credit card.
>>Actually, for re-upping I got a rosewood-handled multitool with a case and
>>a
>>set of screwdriver tips that fit into the case. This one is pretty slick,
>>like a fashion designer's version of a Leatherman. The knife was for
>>paying
>>by credit card.
>>
>>It's a pretty little lockblade with a rosewood handle. It's a little rough
>>and gritty but I probably can smooth it out by pumping in some stainless
>>polish and working it open and closed for an hour or so while watching the
>>ballgame tonight.
>
> Ah, that's what I should do with my rigging (nautical) knife. The
> hawkbill blade is mighty hard to open which makes it dangerous. Oil
> helped but a bit of lapping powder might be just the thing it needs.
Be careful what you use. I once made the mistake of using aluminum oxide
flour and wound up with a loose hinge. I use Simichrome or a chunk of Dico
stainless steel polish dissolved in some mineral oil. I've done this to
pocket knives and other things, and it usually works fine. You need
something hard, like the Dico ss polish, to cut anything at all, but it has
to be very fine. If you use rouge, it probably will take you two days.
BTW, the Dico polish is better for stropping a razor edge than anything I've
ever used, and I've used about everything.
>
>
>>On one side of the blade is etched "NRA - National Rifle Association" and
>>"Stainless." On the other side it says "440" and "China."
>
> Sad, huh?
Yeah, mostly ironic, though.
--
Ed Huntress
Joe Pfeiffer
Hmmm.... there's got to be some fun to be had the idea of designing an
HCI membership knife. Let's see, it'll be a folder, it'll require you
to wear a special ring with an embedded RFID chip to open, the blade
will require serious effort to cut through soft butter.... this knife
is, of course, banned in the UK as an offensive weapon.
Ignoramus30458
> Hmmm.... there's got to be some fun to be had the idea of designing an
> HCI membership knife. Let's see, it'll be a folder, it'll require you
> to wear a special ring with an embedded RFID chip to open, the blade
> will require serious effort to cut through soft butter.... this knife
> is, of course, banned in the UK as an offensive weapon.
I am envisioning a pink knife made from silicone rubber... With a
packet of K-Y jelly included...
i
clareatsnyder.on.ca
wrote:
>
>> You know that they could have gone with an AMERICAN supplier.
>
>Let's see -Shrade closed, Camilus closed. Who else makes knives in the
>USA for 10-20 dollars ? There all gone.....
And China makes the same knife for a buck or two. Well, not the same,
but an imitation.
>>
>> If the members of the NRA were really as patriotic as they pretend to
>> be, the NRA would be using an AMERICAN supplier.
>>
>> It would seem patriotism stops at one's pocketbook.
>>
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>> - Show quoted text -
>
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Too_Many_Tools
>
> - Show quoted text -
>
> Let's see -Shrade closed, Camilus closed. Who else makes knives in the
> USA for 10-20 dollars ? There all gone.....
>
Who said that the knife had to be 10-20 dollars?
Remember what I said about patriotism stops at one's pocketbook?
Putting one's money where one's patriotism is would seem to be natural
course of action. I would consider that the NRA has the membership to
support an American company for a special order of knives..
I am not trying to pick on anyone either....especially Ed. I
appreciate him raising the subject.
I am on record with my contempt that this Country has almost all of
its Flags made overseas.
Talk is one thing....spending one's money to support one's beliefs is
another.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
> "Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>
> news:6l8jf3lkipr45lpbh...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:31:20 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
>
> - Show quoted text -
I wonder if the Chinese get the joke?
TMT
Hawke
"carneyke" <homebo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1190768172.7...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
After seeing how everything these days seems to be made in China I thought I
would do the patriotic thing and stop buying Chinese made products and only
buy things made other places. Unfortunately, it seems that the only way for
me to do this is to simply not buy anything at all. Because it is getting to
the point where every thing is made in China. I know that is great for the
manufacturers who have moved their production facilities to China but it's
not so good for us. It's gotten to the point where I can't buy anything not
made in China even if I want to. I suppose I have to chalk it up to that's
the way things are now that corporations rule the world. I used to think
governments were bad. It's even worse now.
Hawke
Brent
Heheheh Reminds me of the tape measure Miller Electric gave me for
being one of the first 500 members of their newsgroup.
Miller of course with their giant proud to be in the USA kick send me
a very nice 26 foot tape measure with a pottom momentary stop on top
of the usual slider, Nice rigid easy to read.
Made in China
I still like the welder still like the tape measure I chuckled then
moved on
Brent
Ottawa Canada
William Noble
step up in quality.
When I go to the market, I never see Chinese Tortillas either, nor do I see
chinese olive oil, or spagetti, or coffee to pick a few. Also I don't see
chinese gasoline, though since gas is fungible one might not know, nor do I
see chinese car batteries.
"Hawke" <desm...@c-zone.net> wrote in message
news:13fjp05...@corp.supernews.com...
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> On Sep 25, 9:01 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
<snip>
>>
>> >>On one side of the blade is etched "NRA - National Rifle Association"
>> >>and
>> >>"Stainless." On the other side it says "440" and "China."
>>
>> > Sad, huh?
>>
>> Yeah, mostly ironic, though.
>>
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>
> I wonder if the Chinese get the joke?
>
> TMT
Haha! Good question.
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Ed Huntress
"Brent" <b_ph...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Yeah, that's even better. After all, the NRA was selling foreign-made rifles
for most of a century.
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Ed Huntress
"Joe Pfeiffer" <pfei...@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote in message
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I pictured it as something really nasty, like a black metal-handled,
skelatonized thing with a thumb loop, serrated blade, and a big gut hook on
top. <g>
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Larry Jaques
Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> quickly quoth:
>
>"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>news:6l8jf3lkipr45lpbh...@4ax.com...
>> Ah, that's what I should do with my rigging (nautical) knife. The
>> hawkbill blade is mighty hard to open which makes it dangerous. Oil
>> helped but a bit of lapping powder might be just the thing it needs.
>
>Be careful what you use. I once made the mistake of using aluminum oxide
>flour and wound up with a loose hinge. I use Simichrome or a chunk of Dico
>stainless steel polish dissolved in some mineral oil. I've done this to
>pocket knives and other things, and it usually works fine. You need
>something hard, like the Dico ss polish, to cut anything at all, but it has
>to be very fine. If you use rouge, it probably will take you two days.
I was thinking of using some of the green compound I got from Lee
Valley. It's halfway between rouge and tripoli. Then I could use the
power washer to thoroughly rinse it when done. I don't like loose
hinges.
>BTW, the Dico polish is better for stropping a razor edge than anything I've
>ever used, and I've used about everything.
I wonder if that box of stainless cleaner I bought uses the same
grit... I've never had aluminum rims so I've never needed Simichrome
or Mother's. Most of the metal polishing I've done is either brass,
unless you count the steel. I polish up my plane blades to within a
gnat's ass of one-sidedness. Why, if I waved that plane blade around
too fast, I'd split atoms. THAT's Scary Sharp(tm), folks. (Humor
borrowed from the Wreck.)
Well, I just hopped on eBay and bought some MAAS polish that youse
guys have been touting. I'll give that a try first.
Thanks for the tips and cautions, Ed.
--
Exercise ferments the humors, casts them into their proper channels,
throws off redundancies, and helps nature in those secret distributions,
without which the body cannot subsist in its vigor, nor the soul act
with cheerfulness. -- Joseph Addison, The Spectator, July 12, 1711
Larry Jaques
Ignoramus30458 <ignoram...@NOSPAM.30458.invalid> quickly quoth:
Which the perp IMMEDIATELY takes from (and uses on) you. And don't
forget there's that 5 day waiting period while your assets are being
siezed by the DHS.
Larry Jaques
Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> quickly quoth:
>"Joe Pfeiffer" <pfei...@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote in message
>news:1bps06g...@snowball.wb.pfeifferfamily.net...
>> Hmmm.... there's got to be some fun to be had the idea of designing an
>> HCI membership knife. Let's see, it'll be a folder, it'll require you
>> to wear a special ring with an embedded RFID chip to open, the blade
>> will require serious effort to cut through soft butter.... this knife
>> is, of course, banned in the UK as an offensive weapon.
>
>I pictured it as something really nasty, like a black metal-handled,
>skelatonized thing with a thumb loop, serrated blade, and a big gut hook on
>top. <g>
No, the one with the gut hook is the one the NRA member designed for
use -on- HCI folks. Don't forget to bury the entrails, folks. They
contain some heavily toxic stuff.
Randy
>After seeing how everything these days seems to be made in China I thought I
>would do the patriotic thing and stop buying Chinese made products and only
>buy things made other places. Unfortunately, it seems that the only way for
>me to do this is to simply not buy anything at all. Because it is getting to
>the point where every thing is made in China. I know that is great for the
>manufacturers who have moved their production facilities to China but it's
>not so good for us. It's gotten to the point where I can't buy anything not
>made in China even if I want to. I suppose I have to chalk it up to that's
>the way things are now that corporations rule the world. I used to think
>governments were bad. It's even worse now.
>
>Hawke
>
I saw on the news some woman wrote a book called "A Year Without
China". She went one year withiout buying anything made in China,
found it to be EXTREMELY difficult.
I did want to look on Amazon and see how much it costs, could nbe a
good read.
Thank You,
Randy
Remove 333 from email address to reply.
Randy
<hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>'Got my new NRA knife today, which was my gift for starting my membership up
>after a lapse of maybe 12 years or so, and for paying by credit card.
>Actually, for re-upping I got a rosewood-handled multitool with a case and a
>set of screwdriver tips that fit into the case. This one is pretty slick,
>like a fashion designer's version of a Leatherman. The knife was for paying
>by credit card.
>
>It's a pretty little lockblade with a rosewood handle. It's a little rough
>and gritty but I probably can smooth it out by pumping in some stainless
>polish and working it open and closed for an hour or so while watching the
>ballgame tonight.
>
>On one side of the blade is etched "NRA - National Rifle Association" and
>"Stainless." On the other side it says "440" and "China."
I think it was 2000, I got a gift from the United States Olympic
Committee, and it was made in China, Thought that was ironic too.
Ecnerwal
Randy <rbra...@enter.net> wrote:
> I saw on the news some woman wrote a book called "A Year Without
> China". She went one year withiout buying anything made in China,
> found it to be EXTREMELY difficult.
>
> I did want to look on Amazon and see how much it costs, could nbe a
> good read.
$16.47
I wonder where it's printed..?
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Ed Huntress
"Randy" <rbra...@enter.net> wrote in message
news:51okf3hecdd23s1mt...@4ax.com...
<snip>
>
> I saw on the news some woman wrote a book called "A Year Without
> China". She went one year withiout buying anything made in China,
> found it to be EXTREMELY difficult.
>
> I did want to look on Amazon and see how much it costs, could nbe a
> good read.
I would have bought it, except that it's printed in China...
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Abrasha
>> After seeing how everything these days seems to be made in China I thought I
>> would do the patriotic thing and stop buying Chinese made products and only
>> buy things made other places. Unfortunately, it seems that the only way for
>> me to do this is to simply not buy anything at all. Because it is getting to
>> the point where every thing is made in China. I know that is great for the
>> manufacturers who have moved their production facilities to China but it's
>> not so good for us. It's gotten to the point where I can't buy anything not
>> made in China even if I want to. I suppose I have to chalk it up to that's
>> the way things are now that corporations rule the world. I used to think
>> governments were bad. It's even worse now.
>>
>> Hawke
>>
>
> I saw on the news some woman wrote a book called "A Year Without
> China". She went one year withiout buying anything made in China,
> found it to be EXTREMELY difficult.
>
There is a good chance, that the book was printed in China.
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http://www.abrasha.com
Wes
>Probably the same factory that makes Handgun Control, Inc's membership
>knives.
I believe that is a non sequitur.
T.Alan Kraus
depends. They mastered pottery a long time ago. Give 'em time to master
metal.
cheers
T.Alan
Ed Huntress
"T.Alan Kraus" <soun...@sonic.net> wrote in message
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They mastered metal a long time ago, too. Then they discovered Wal-Mart.
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clareatsnyder.on.ca
Likely published in China now - - - .
>Thank You,
>Randy
>
>Remove 333 from email address to reply.
Cydrome Leader
> well, let's see here - cheap tools are made in India, you go to china for a
> step up in quality.
FWIW, I've never seen junk quality made in india electronics.
Larry Jaques
Ecnerwal <Lawren...@SOuthernVERmont.NyET> quickly quoth:
>In article <51okf3hecdd23s1mt...@4ax.com>,
> Randy <rbra...@enter.net> wrote:
>
>> I saw on the news some woman wrote a book called "A Year Without
>> China". She went one year withiout buying anything made in China,
>> found it to be EXTREMELY difficult.
>>
>> I did want to look on Amazon and see how much it costs, could nbe a
>> good read.
>
>$16.47
$13.47 "like new" from Amazon merchants.
>I wonder where it's printed..?
John Wiley & Sons, Printed in the USA. Otherwise, they'd be hung. ;)
Too_Many_Tools
> "carneyke" <homeboy12...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Actually the best route is not to try to buy any Chinese products, but
to buy fewer products from China.
I find that I can easily buy fewer China products.
My effort does affect their bottom line...however small.
If millions followed my approach, it would bring corporations to their
knees.
Corporations make their profits like we do...one dollar at a time.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
Ever wonder why corporations try very hard to hide the point of origin
of a product?
Because the consumer might care.
TMT
Spehro Pefhany
Then you've probably never seen *any* Indian electronics. It makes
China look like Switzerland. Ugly and dangerous.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
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sp...@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
Too_Many_Tools
<speffS...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:41:21 +0000 (UTC), the renowned Cydrome Leader
>
> >William Noble <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> well, let's see here - cheap tools are made in India, you go to china for a
> >> step up in quality.
>
> >FWIW, I've never seen junk quality made in india electronics.
>
> Then you've probably never seen *any* Indian electronics. It makes
> China look like Switzerland. Ugly and dangerous.
>
> Best regards,
> Spehro Pefhany
> --
> "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
> sp...@interlog.com Info for manufacturers:http://www.trexon.com
> Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
Any examples?
I do open up many things I buy and the quality of some are terrible.
TMT
Ignoramus25760
> I do open up many things I buy and the quality of some are terrible.
I go even further, I do open up *most* things that I buy.
i
Too_Many_Tools
You may find this article of interest...as to how corporations are
trying to manipulate Chinese consumers.
TMT
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/sep2007/gb20070925_202489.htm?campaign_id=yhoo
The Key to Successful Branding in China
Don't dilute cachet the way Buick did. Companies must solidly define
their image, and relate with their consumer base, to succeed on the
mainland
by Shaun Rein
Many marketers complain that the Chinese are not brand-loyal.
Consumers in China, they moan, will latch onto a new brand one day
only to discard it in favor of a competitor the next. Exasperated
marketers argue that confronted with such mercenary consumption
patterns, they cannot understand their core markets.
While there is some truth to the complaint that Chinese consumers
switch brands frequently, it is not a function of Chinese culture, as
some may suppose. Rather, Chinese consumers remain fickle because
China is in a phase of its development where companies bombard
consumers with vastly more choices than they had even a decade ago.
Another problem is that multinational companies have not always done
an adequate job of identifying and understanding their core markets in
order to target them effectively.
Actually, Chinese consumers are fiercely loyal to brands that suit
their needs. New Chinese brands such as Tencent Holdings' QQ instant
message service, Belle International's Belle shoes, and Alibaba's
Taobao consumer-to-consumer e-commerce service are incredibly
successful because they know how to relate to Chinese consumers.
Domestic firms that survived the post-1978 reforms, like White Cat
detergent and White Rabbit candy, have built trust with Chinese
consumers and thrive because of it, much as Tide and Mars have done in
the U.S.
Target the Younger Generation
Success is not limited to domestic firms. Multinationals like Yum
Brands (YUM) and Omega fuel their global profits with sales in China
because they have managed to engender trust and brand loyalty with
Chinese consumers. Yum's KFC has opened over 2,200 stores in China,
and Omega controls 70% of the luxury men's watch market.
To foster brand loyalty in China, companies need to learn from these
successful examples and focus on three critical points: Define their
brand position, understand and relate to their consumer base, and
target China's younger generation, which has the product
sophistication and disposable income to be tomorrow's loyalty leaders.
If multinationals do not position themselves strategically over both
the short and long term and understand the changing needs of Chinese
consumers, they will lose China to more market-savvy companies.
When General Motors (GM) reintroduced its Buick brand to the China
market a few years ago, its advertising mavens positioned Buick as a
brand for senior executives and other elites. Marketers tried to show
that China's last emperor, Pu Yi, had a Buick in the 1920s as did the
Chinese leaders like Sun Yat-sen and Zhou Enlai. Some of the models
boasted sticker-prices topping those of Mercedes and BMW and were an
instant hit. GM quickly sold more Buicks in China than in the U.S.,
topping 665,000 about five years after the first Buick assembly plant
in China opened in the late 1990s.
Buick Diluted Its Brand
China is now the world's second-largest auto market, driven by the 250
million members of its emerging middle class wanting to live the dream
of owning a car. To take advantage of this growth, Buick leveraged the
position it created and started selling lower-end models in the
$12,000 price range. Sales boomed initially as Chinese baby boomers
snapped up the cheaper Buicks.
Unfortunately for Buick, diluting the brand image caused market share
to plummet in the first half of 2007, leaving GM to discount heavily
to attract price-sensitive customers and overcome lackluster sales.
Buick's mistake is obvious, and the remedy has nothing to do with
price. Business titans do not want to drive the same car that middle-
class, first-time buyers are driving. And middle-class buyers are
upset because they thought they were buying into the Buick brand and
Buick quality but instead received a watered-down car that did not
meet their expectations. As one recent buyer of a low-end Buick said
to my firm, the China Market Research Group (CMR), in an interview: "I
bought Buick for the luxury associated with the brand as all these
business leaders have chauffeured Buicks, but the quality is terrible.
I am very disappointed."
Understand and Relate to Consumers
Buick's mistake was not clearly defining its brand for consumers. No
one knows what the Buick brand stands for. Is it low end or high end?
As a counterpoint to Buick, BMW sacrificed short-term sales by not
going after the mass market, choosing instead to maintain its premium
positioning for affluent consumers. BMW is now seeing booming sales,
with growth of 50% in 2006. China is now the second-largest market for
its high-end 7 Series and has some of the brand's most loyal
consumers. Long term, BMW will continue to grow as Chinese get more
and more affluent and aspire to the life associated with owning a
BMW.
Clarins and L'Oréal are two hugely popular personal care brands around
the world. However, their China stories are very different. L'Oréal
and its associated brands are very successful, and they have developed
brand loyalty with Chinese male and female consumers. One 43-year-old
chief financial officer of an investment bank told us in an interview,
"I only buy Lancôme as it makes me feel young and beautiful." On the
other hand, Clarins has struggled when trying to target male
consumers.
The mistake that Clarins has made is to use models for their
advertising campaigns to whom the typical Chinese male cannot relate.
Already nervous that caring about their appearance means that they are
not manly, Chinese males have been put off by Clarins' advertising
campaigns. To advertise male grooming products, Clarins chose
ethnically diverse, metrosexual models that presented an image most
Chinese men could not identifiy with. When viewing ads, potential
buyers were confused as to why and how they would want to look like
the models using Clarins products.
Little Brand Orientation From Parents
L'Oréal has been much more successful recently through its choice of
Korean movie stars for its male cosmetic brand, Biotherm. These Korean
stars exhibit a look, style, and personality that Chinese men aspire
to and that Chinese women wish their boyfriends would exhibit.
Clarins is not alone in portraying its brand in an odd light to
Chinese consumers. Too many brands launch advertising campaigns
centered around preppie blond models lounging on sailboats. In a
country where sailboats and the Hamptons are not in the popular
imagination this advertising tack does not work.
Many of the brands Americans use are ones that people chose because
their parents used them. Often young adults use Tylenol or Colgate
because their parents introduced them to the brands when they were
young. In China under Mao, there was little brand choice, so today's
youth are trying brands without any teaching by their parents. But
these Chinese youth are becoming very savvy as they determine what
they like and what they do not.
Chinese Concerned About Safety Too
The key for multinationals in China is to develop a following among
Chinese baby boomers. People from the generation born after 1978 are
coming of age and having children of their own. They have grown up
using different brands. While still susceptible to the machinations of
Madison Avenue's reach in China, many have begun settling on what they
like and are teaching their children what to buy.
For instance, Chinese consumers are every bit as concerned about
safety as consumers in the U.S., and they are crying out for safe
products that will not harm their health or that of their families.
Brands like Midea, Haier, Pepsi (PEP), and Unilever (UN) have been
successful in establishing themselves as providing the level of
quality and trustworthiness that Chinese consumers demand. The
companies' bottom lines tell the story of of their success.
To develop a brand successfully in China, it is not enough to take a
short-term outlook and try to sell into every available market. This
risks eroding long-term prospects. It is better to first define what
your brand is supposed to embody and then work to support that image.
Multinationals must understand that Chinese consumers in the first-
tier cities of Shanghai, Beijing, and Guangzhou will soon be as brand
savvy as any in New York, London, or Paris. And consumers in the
second- and third-tier cities like Chengdu and Dalian will move with
lightning speed to catch up with international trends.
Shaun Rein is the Founder and Managing Director of the China Market
Research Group (CMR), www.researchcmr.com, a market research firm that
helps companies make smarter decisions in China. He can be reached at
shau...@researchcmr.com.
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Spehro Pefhany
<too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Sep 26, 10:31 pm, Spehro Pefhany
><speffS...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:41:21 +0000 (UTC), the renowned Cydrome Leader
>>
>> <prese...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
>> >William Noble <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> >> well, let's see here - cheap tools are made in India, you go to china for a
>> >> step up in quality.
>>
>> >FWIW, I've never seen junk quality made in india electronics.
>>
>> Then you've probably never seen *any* Indian electronics. It makes
>> China look like Switzerland. Ugly and dangerous.
>>
>Any examples?
>
>I do open up many things I buy and the quality of some are terrible.
>
>TMT
Horrible transformers and enclosures, decent to horrible metalwork,
and quite good to horrible PCBs. I doubt they'll ever catch up with
the Chinese in quality or cost, despite their cheap labor. Being
buddies with the Soviets didn't help them one bit. China has had the
advantage of huge investments from Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, as well
as Europe and the US over the past 30 years. In electronics, India is
often the one buying the fallouts from China's factories.
Mike
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:37:46 -0500, Randy <rbra...@enter.net> wrote:
>
>>After seeing how everything these days seems to be made in China I thought I
>>would do the patriotic thing and stop buying Chinese made products and only
>>buy things made other places. Unfortunately, it seems that the only way for
>>me to do this is to simply not buy anything at all. Because it is getting to
>>the point where every thing is made in China. I know that is great for the
>>manufacturers who have moved their production facilities to China but it's
>>not so good for us. It's gotten to the point where I can't buy anything not
>>made in China even if I want to. I suppose I have to chalk it up to that's
>>the way things are now that corporations rule the world. I used to think
>>governments were bad. It's even worse now.
>>
>>Hawke
>>
>
>I saw on the news some woman wrote a book called "A Year Without
>China". She went one year withiout buying anything made in China,
>found it to be EXTREMELY difficult.
She can't have tried too hard. Avoid electronic goods, mainstream
consumer items and cheap clothes and, unless you actually live in
China it's a piece of piss to buy local/nationally and survive for
much more than a year.
--
Larry Jaques
Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> quickly quoth:
>On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:47:01 -0700, JR North
><junkjas...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>>I had a girlfriend way back that was made in China. Nothing wrong with
>>the quality, just the software.
>>JR
>>Dweller in the cellar
>
>They make inflateables?
>
>Damn....
You're in luck, bubba: Pigs and Sheep, too!
http://www.prankplace.com/inflatables.htm
Enjoy! <gd&r>
Michael A. Terrell
>
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:47:01 -0700, JR North
> <junkjas...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
> >I had a girlfriend way back that was made in China. Nothing wrong with
> >the quality, just the software.
> >JR
> >Dweller in the cellar
>
> They make inflateables?
>
> Damn....
>
What did you *think* they were doing with all the old car and truck
tires? :)
--
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prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
Wes
> What did you *think* they were doing with all the old car and truck
>tires? :)
With the Chinese bias toward having male children instead of female, they
are going to need a lot of them soon.
Wes
Michael A. Terrell
That's ok. If they only had male children for a full generation,
problem solved.
Spehro Pefhany
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Wes wrote:
>>
>> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> > What did you *think* they were doing with all the old car and truck
>> >tires? :)
>>
>> With the Chinese bias toward having male children instead of female, they
>> are going to need a lot of them soon.
>
>
> That's ok. If they only had male children for a full generation,
>problem solved.
Mail order brides? Actually, it might drive economic development like
an afterburner. A lot of what guys do to achieve is related to getting
a better chance at the fair sex, IMO.
Too_Many_Tools
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > What did you *think* they were doing with all the old car and truck
> >tires? :)
>
> With the Chinese bias toward having male children instead of female, they
> are going to need a lot of them soon.
>
> Wes
Actually they are now importing women.
One person I know joked that it is only a matter of time with the ever
declining dollare before the United States will need to trade its
daughters for manufactured goods to stay solvent.
TMT
Mark Rand
wrote:
I have 2 daughters (one slightly used, with detachable husband), I need a 10EE
in good condition. Offers?
<G>
Mark Rand
RTFM
Too_Many_Tools
> On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:54:49 -0700, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com>
>
> - Show quoted text -
What part of the husband is detachable?
TMT
marc.b...@gmail.com
> On Sep 25, 9:01 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:6l8jf3lkipr45lpbh...@4ax.com...
>
> > > On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:31:20 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
> > > Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> quickly quoth:
>
> > >>'Got my new NRA knife today, which was my gift for starting my membership
> > >>up
>
> > > So are you stating it this way due to guilt (from buying Chiwanese),
> > > or what, Ed? <chortle>
>
> > >>after a lapse of maybe 12 years or so, and for paying by credit card.
> > >>Actually, for re-upping I got a rosewood-handled multitool with a case and
> > >>a
> > >>set of screwdriver tips that fit into the case. This one is pretty slick,
> > >>like a fashion designer's version of a Leatherman. The knife was for
> > >>paying
> > >>by credit card.
>
> > >>It's a pretty little lockblade with a rosewood handle. It's a little rough
> > >>and gritty but I probably can smooth it out by pumping in some stainless
> > >>polish and working it open and closed for an hour or so while watching the
> > >>ballgame tonight.
>
> > > Ah, that's what I should do with my rigging (nautical) knife. The
> > > hawkbill blade is mighty hard to open which makes it dangerous. Oil
> > > helped but a bit of lapping powder might be just the thing it needs.
>
> > Be careful what you use. I once made the mistake of using aluminum oxide
> > flour and wound up with a loose hinge. I use Simichrome or a chunk of Dico
> > stainless steel polish dissolved in some mineral oil. I've done this to
> > pocket knives and other things, and it usually works fine. You need
> > something hard, like the Dico ss polish, to cut anything at all, but it has
> > to be very fine. If you use rouge, it probably will take you two days.
>
> > BTW, the Dico polish is better for stropping a razor edge than anything I've
> > ever used, and I've used about everything.
>
> > >>On one side of the blade is etched "NRA - National Rifle Association" and
> > >>"Stainless." On the other side it says "440" and "China."
>
> > > Sad, huh?
>
> > Yeah, mostly ironic, though.
>
> > --
> > Ed Huntress- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
Perhaps its all a grand gun control conspiracy. Get the NRA folks used
to made in china knives, then made in china guns, then china stops
selling us guns.
Ed Huntress
<marc.b...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1191099429....@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Well, they sold us SKS's and AK-47 look-alikes, and everybody was happy
until they got banned in the US. Now, maybe they're legal again? Anybody
know the status of that ban?
--
Ed Huntress
F. George McDuffee
>Perhaps its all a grand gun control conspiracy. Get the NRA folks used
>to made in china knives, then made in china guns, then china stops
>selling us guns.
========
For a utility/truck gun their sks carbines are quite nice, and
the price is right.
Unka' George [George McDuffee]
============
Merchants have no country.
The mere spot they stand on
does not constitute so strong an attachment
as that from which they draw their gains.
Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826),
U.S. president. Letter, 17 March 1814.
Larry Jaques
George McDuffee <gmcd...@mcduffee-associates.us> quickly quoth:
>On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:57:09 -0000, "marc.b...@gmail.com"
><marc.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Perhaps its all a grand gun control conspiracy. Get the NRA folks used
>>to made in china knives, then made in china guns, then china stops
>>selling us guns.
>========
>For a utility/truck gun their sks carbines are quite nice, and
>the price is right.
Ayup. I love my $100 SKS.
Gunner Asch
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Gunner wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:47:01 -0700, JR North
>> <junkjas...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I had a girlfriend way back that was made in China. Nothing wrong with
>> >the quality, just the software.
>> >JR
>> >Dweller in the cellar
>>
>> They make inflateables?
>>
>> Damn....
>>
>> Gunner
>
>
>
> What did you *think* they were doing with all the old car and truck
>tires? :)
How the hell do they get the carbon black out of the plastic?
Or do they give you a big jar of GoJo rated for genital usage?
Lots of vitamin E, emoluents...some stiffening agents...maybe some
starch......
Gunner
Gunner Asch
Got pictures?
Leave out the accessory husband....
Gunner, looking for a 10EE....
Michael A. Terrell
>
> On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:56:24 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Gunner wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:47:01 -0700, JR North
> >> <junkjas...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I had a girlfriend way back that was made in China. Nothing wrong with
> >> >the quality, just the software.
> >> >JR
> >> >Dweller in the cellar
> >>
> >> They make inflateables?
> >>
> >> Damn....
> >>
> >> Gunner
> >
> >
> >
> > What did you *think* they were doing with all the old car and truck
> >tires? :)
>
> How the hell do they get the carbon black out of the plastic?
Think about it Gunner. They are so used to cheap crap that the
carbon is a 'Feature', not a problem. ;-)
> Or do they give you a big jar of GoJo rated for genital usage?
> Lots of vitamin E, emoluents...some stiffening agents...maybe some
> starch......
>
> Gunner
jeff_c...@cas-tel.com
> 'Got my new NRA knife today, which was my gift for starting my membership up
> Actually, for re-upping I got a rosewood-handled multitool with a case and a
> set of screwdriver tips that fit into the case. This one is pretty slick,
> like a fashion designer's version of a Leatherman. The knife was for paying
> by credit card.
>
> It's a pretty little lockblade with a rosewood handle. It's a little rough
> and gritty but I probably can smooth it out by pumping in some stainless
> polish and working it open and closed for an hour or so while watching the
> ballgame tonight.
>
> "Stainless." On the other side it says "440" and "China."
>
> Ed Huntress
Regarding the knives and everything else made in China... They (NRA) could have made a deal with Buck, Gerber or Puma - three great American sporting knives companies. And here's a place where you can shop for stuff made in the USA, including knives : stillmadeinusa.com
As for the comment someone made about girls made in China, I can attest to the fact that they are indeed unique. I have been happily married to a Chinese doll for 20 yrs now and wish I could have married ten more! They are the best in every way! I get the software glitch joke though. There will definitely be some strong culture differences once in a while, but there is way more to learn from the Chinese culture than there is to knock about it. And complain as we do, the fact is we are sending them trillions of dollars due to our buying practices. We print money, work our asses off and send it all to China. They are laughing at us for being so dumb! Time to make some sacrifices and fix our own problems, rather than blame China for them.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>Buck, Gerber or Puma - three great American sporting knives companies
I buy a number of each brand...directly from distributors in China
Shrug
Gunner
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> On Tuesday, September 25, 2007 at 6:31:20 PM UTC-4, Ed Huntress wrote:
> > 'Got my new NRA knife today, which was my gift for starting my membership up
> > after a lapse of maybe 12 years or so, and for paying by credit card.
> > Actually, for re-upping I got a rosewood-handled multitool with a case and a
> > set of screwdriver tips that fit into the case. This one is pretty slick,
> > like a fashion designer's version of a Leatherman. The knife was for paying
> > by credit card.
> >
> > It's a pretty little lockblade with a rosewood handle. It's a little rough
> > and gritty but I probably can smooth it out by pumping in some stainless
> > polish and working it open and closed for an hour or so while watching the
> > ballgame tonight.
> >
> > On one side of the blade is etched "NRA - National Rifle Association" and
> > "Stainless." On the other side it says "440" and "China."
> >
> > --
> > Ed Huntress
>
> Regarding the knives and everything else made in China... They (NRA)
> could have made a deal with Buck, Gerber or Puma - three great
> American sporting knives companies.
Vic Dulude
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 19:09:16 -0700 (PDT), jeff_c...@cas-tel.com
> wrote:
>
>> Buck, Gerber or Puma - three great American sporting knives companies
>
> Who have a LOT of their knives...made in China.
>
> I buy a number of each brand...directly from distributors in China
alone "need" (you don't "need" any.) Meanwhile, you were just pissing
and moaning the other day about how little money you have, yet here you
are bragging about spending it on nonsense.
Keep your fucking yap shut about your problems.
The Mighty Ant
that he is some sort of old, limp dick, failure, that doesn't have any
money. Can't even pay his taxes.
--
and a good day to you Sir,
The Mighty Ant
relo...@gmail.com
Personnel who ok'd such need dismissal!
Erik Drzewiecki
Why is it made in China though why can't they make them in the USA?
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Gerry
<0f8503901d844703ee...@example.com> wrote:
>replying to Ed Huntress, Erik Drzewiecki wrote:
>Why is it made in China though why can't they make them in the USA?
beyonnd the price at which they can be marketed.
Larry Jaques
wrote:
totem pole, a union janitor, is getting $38/hr to sweep up, something
is wrong.
Who is John Galt?
P.S: Labor pricing in China is out of control, too, and they're
offshoring lots of their labor to Thailand, Malaysia, and Vietnam.
--
Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds
are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her
tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the
existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
-- Thomas Jefferson
bruce2...@gmail.com
> On Tue, 06 Mar 2018 19:00:02 -0500, Gerry <gerald...@yahoo.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 06 Mar 2018 22:18:02 GMT, Erik Drzewiecki
> ><0f8503901d844703ee...@example.com> wrote:
> >
> >>replying to Ed Huntress, Erik Drzewiecki wrote:
> >>Why is it made in China though why can't they make them in the USA?
> >Because GREED has driven the cost of manufacturing any tangible goods
> >beyonnd the price at which they can be marketed.
>
> The price of labor here is extreme, too. When the lowest peg on the
> totem pole, a union janitor, is getting $38/hr to sweep up, something
> is wrong.
John B.
<lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 06 Mar 2018 19:00:02 -0500, Gerry <gerald...@yahoo.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 06 Mar 2018 22:18:02 GMT, Erik Drzewiecki
>><0f8503901d844703ee...@example.com> wrote:
>>
>>>replying to Ed Huntress, Erik Drzewiecki wrote:
>>>Why is it made in China though why can't they make them in the USA?
>>Because GREED has driven the cost of manufacturing any tangible goods
>>beyonnd the price at which they can be marketed.
>
>The price of labor here is extreme, too. When the lowest peg on the
>totem pole, a union janitor, is getting $38/hr to sweep up, something
>is wrong.
>
>Who is John Galt?
>
>P.S: Labor pricing in China is out of control, too, and they're
>offshoring lots of their labor to Thailand, Malaysia, and Vietnam.
US$10.00 - has offshored work to Myanmar where labour is cheap :-)
--
Cheers,
John B.
khm...@gmail.com
> 'Got my new NRA knife today, which was my gift for starting my membership up
> after a lapse of maybe 12 years or so, and for paying by credit card.
> Actually, for re-upping I got a rosewood-handled multitool with a case and a
> set of screwdriver tips that fit into the case. This one is pretty slick,
> like a fashion designer's version of a Leatherman. The knife was for paying
> by credit card.
>
> It's a pretty little lockblade with a rosewood handle. It's a little rough
> and gritty but I probably can smooth it out by pumping in some stainless
> polish and working it open and closed for an hour or so while watching the
> ballgame tonight.
>
> On one side of the blade is etched "NRA - National Rifle Association" and
> "Stainless." On the other side it says "440" and "China."
>
> --
> Ed Huntress
tlri...@gmail.com
Clare Snyder
>Just received my "gift" knife from the nra. Has logo one one side and made in China on the other. I'm thinking about grinding it down to a nub and sending it back. For a strong America company, it is an insult to get this knife not made in the USA.
James Waldby
I saw on the <https://rightwinggear.com> hat-selling site: "I love the hate,
great quality and made in the USA."
Anyhow, according to a 2 March 2020 article, "Where is 'MAGA' merchandise
made?", all of the official Trump Campaign stuff is made in America, but
most of the stuff sold at rallies by independent vendors is made in China.
Also see <https://apnews.com/afs:Content:6391630154> re "Official Trump
MAGA hats are made in the US".
--
jiw
Clifford Heath
> here's a testimonial
> I saw on the <https://rightwinggear.com> hat-selling site: "I love the hate
zalews...@gmail.com
Sailer342
Me too, but the NRA is taking this too far. It’s one thing to give away a
free hat (made in China), but for the leadership of this organization to give
away something you may have to depend upon for your life is too unbelievable!
I am not renewing my membership after all these (44) years. Wishing all the
members well. As for the directors: hope you don’t ever have to count on
that knife for anything!
Benjamin Baker
oh that's a news to me
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