Belt Sander/Grinder

[Bob La Londe]

I know the knife guys are all gungho about the 2x72 belt grinders these
days, but I was wondering how many other metal works really like using
these. Seems like some guys like to use them for both steel and wood.
Oddly what I have heard seems backwards. They grind fast with steel and
slower with wood.

Do you have one? Do you use it often? Are you on the fence about the
cost, but would use one if you had it?

I have a 1x30 that gets a fair amount of use, and a 4x36 that doesn't
mostly because its gutless. I probably use my 1x30 as a belt grinder
about the same amount as my bench grinder.

I can build one if I want. Of course if I really wanted I imagine I
could put a bigger motor on my 4x36 too.

[Gunner Asch]

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 12:49:37 -0700, Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99>
wrote:

This is what I use

https://photos.app.goo.gl/Pj4b7Lc9X7mtCtWk1

Having a 2"x 72 BurrKing has never been on my list of Have to Haves


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[Pete Keillor]

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 12:49:37 -0700, Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99>
wrote:

I built one for my middle son. He doesn't use it as much as he would
like, having an intern wife and a toddler son. He has slowed it down
and used it on wood recently (making Christmas presents), but didn't
tell me how it worked.

I built it with interchangeable tool arms, one a large urethane tired
wheel, and the other a flat platen with guide rollers either side.
There's a steering roller on the top which works very well. The belts
can be adjusted side to side within ~1/16", and stay true after an
adjustment. It's mounted on a bell crank with a pneumatic cylinder
actuator used to adjust belt tension (via regulator) and release the
belt for changes (3-way valve).

The motor is an old 1 hp 3 ph somebody gave me, and I put my spare
Rockwell vfd on it to provide the 3 phase and adjust the speed.

Ben built the frame out of 1-1/2 pipe and 1" sq tube, so that the
frame is manifolded together and serves as the air reservoir, charged
with his small compressor. The reservoir lasts at least one day, the
regulator bleed rate is very low.

It was a lot of fun to design and build. I don't think I'll build
another unless we move. My current shop is too small. My wife wants
to be closer to the grandson, and we have a lot of relatives in the
Houston area, so that might happen, but not unless we can find the
right place with a good shop building and a place for my special needs
son.

We'll see.

Pete Keillor

[Larry Jaques]

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 06:43:02 -0600, Pete Keillor
<Pete.K...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 12:49:37 -0700, Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99>
>wrote:
>
>>I know the knife guys are all gungho about the 2x72 belt grinders these
>>days, but I was wondering how many other metal works really like using
>>these. Seems like some guys like to use them for both steel and wood.
>>Oddly what I have heard seems backwards. They grind fast with steel and
>>slower with wood.

Yeah, I use my little Delta 1x30 that way, wood and metal, but it's a
single speed model.

>>Do you have one? Do you use it often? Are you on the fence about the
>>cost, but would use one if you had it?
>>
>>I have a 1x30 that gets a fair amount of use, and a 4x36 that doesn't
>>mostly because its gutless. I probably use my 1x30 as a belt grinder
>>about the same amount as my bench grinder.

I have the HF 4x36 which I hand start because of its powerful motor.
<snort> Works just fine, and was worth every bit of its $36.

>>I can build one if I want. Of course if I really wanted I imagine I
>>could put a bigger motor on my 4x36 too.
>
>I built one for my middle son. He doesn't use it as much as he would
>like, having an intern wife and a toddler son. He has slowed it down
>and used it on wood recently (making Christmas presents), but didn't
>tell me how it worked.
>
>I built it with interchangeable tool arms, one a large urethane tired
>wheel, and the other a flat platen with guide rollers either side.
>There's a steering roller on the top which works very well. The belts
>can be adjusted side to side within ~1/16", and stay true after an
>adjustment. It's mounted on a bell crank with a pneumatic cylinder
>actuator used to adjust belt tension (via regulator) and release the
>belt for changes (3-way valve).
>
>The motor is an old 1 hp 3 ph somebody gave me, and I put my spare
>Rockwell vfd on it to provide the 3 phase and adjust the speed.
>
>Ben built the frame out of 1-1/2 pipe and 1" sq tube, so that the
>frame is manifolded together and serves as the air reservoir, charged
>with his small compressor. The reservoir lasts at least one day, the
>regulator bleed rate is very low.

Wow, that's a helluva sander. Probably a one-of-a-kind. Got pics
posted somewhere?

>It was a lot of fun to design and build. I don't think I'll build
>another unless we move. My current shop is too small. My wife wants
>to be closer to the grandson, and we have a lot of relatives in the
>Houston area, so that might happen, but not unless we can find the
>right place with a good shop building and a place for my special needs
>son.

Your boy couldn't ask for a more loving family, Pete. Good man.

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In the hopeless swamps of the not quite, the not yet, and
the not at all, do not let the hero in your soul perish
and leave only frustration for the life you deserved, but
never have been able to reach.

The world you desire can be won, it exists, it is real,
it is possible, it is yours.
-- Ayn Rand

[Pete Keillor]

Thanks for the kind words, Larry.

I never posted pics because I thought I might submit it to one of the
hobby machinist magazines. Doubt I'll ever get around to that, and
now that MWDropbox is out of action, I'll have to find a new forum to
post pics.

I took inspiration from the Beaumont Metal Works KMG grinder, but
designed my own with the pneumatic adjustment, shoulder screws for
axles, mostly counter sunk socket head screws, and double tool arm
sockets. That last was a suggestion my son got that I doubt will ever
get used. I'd omit it if I built another.

Any suggestions on posting sites? Do folks have any preferences
between practical machinist and hobby machinist? Or others?

Pete Keillor

[Martin Eastburn]

Many people use a Tormek.
I do. Belts are nice to do basic shape and grind off metal.
A precision grinder that holds the knife grinds the edge to an angle.
I put 18 degree edges on my wife's knives and she loves each one.

Martin

[Larry Jaques]

On Mon, 01 Jan 2018 09:53:11 -0600, Pete Keillor
<Pete.K...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Thanks for the kind words, Larry.

You're very welcome, Pete.

>I never posted pics because I thought I might submit it to one of the
>hobby machinist magazines. Doubt I'll ever get around to that, and
>now that MWDropbox is out of action, I'll have to find a new forum to
>post pics.

>I took inspiration from the Beaumont Metal Works KMG grinder, but
>designed my own with the pneumatic adjustment, shoulder screws for
>axles, mostly counter sunk socket head screws, and double tool arm
>sockets. That last was a suggestion my son got that I doubt will ever
>get used. I'd omit it if I built another.

Double tool arm sockets? Evocative name, anyway.

>Any suggestions on posting sites? Do folks have any preferences
>between practical machinist and hobby machinist? Or others?

People put things on Pinterest, Flikr, and other places, as well as PM
and other sites. I put my stuff on my website, HM, and Pinterest.


https://www.lifewire.com/free-image-hosting-sites-3486329
List of 11 free hosts.

[tetian...@gmail.com]

I personally don't have a belt grinder, but I'm considering getting one. By luck, I was recently going through the Grizzly Industrial Catalog and saw their belt grinder that appears to be worth trying. Then I googled and found a review on it along with other grinders - https://mechanicguides.com/best-belt-grinders/ .

Has anyone on here used the Grizzly? If so, could you describe the quality?

Thanks!

[Bob La Londe]

The little baby 1x30 Grizzly they show in that review is probably better
quality than a similar Harbor Freight model (which I happen to own and
use daily for deburring steel) but its not in the same class as the 2x72
machines. Its really not even in the same school.

[Martin Eastburn]

Make sure you can buy 30 inch belts from more than just them.
Sure customs. Better if off the shelf. Klingspor is a very high
quality belt and sand paper company. http://www.woodworkingshop.com/

Martin

[Larry Jaques]

On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 15:37:12 -0700, Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99>
wrote:

>

>On 1/10/2018 2:45 AM, tetian...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I personally don't have a belt grinder, but I'm considering getting
>one. By luck, I was recently going through the Grizzly Industrial
>Catalog and saw their belt grinder that appears to be worth trying. Then
>I googled and found a review on it along with other grinders -
>https://mechanicguides.com/best-belt-grinders/ .
> >
> > Has anyone on here used the Grizzly? If so, could you describe the
>quality?

I don't have their grinder, but I do have 3 Griz WW machines and love
them. Finish is good, fit can be iffy, but if you have a file and
reamer as you put it together, they're fine machines for a lower
price. Griz (China and Taiwan origins) does a much better QC job than
HFT does.

> > Thanks!
> >
>
>The little baby 1x30 Grizzly they show in that review is probably better
>quality than a similar Harbor Freight model (which I happen to own and
>use daily for deburring steel) but its not in the same class as the 2x72
>machines. Its really not even in the same school.

I use my 1x30 Delta for deburring most often, too.

[Gunner Asch]

www.barbkat.com

[Ned Simmons]

On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 21:01:10 -0800, Larry Jaques
<lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 15:37:12 -0700, Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>On 1/10/2018 2:45 AM, tetian...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > I personally don't have a belt grinder, but I'm considering getting
>>one. By luck, I was recently going through the Grizzly Industrial
>>Catalog and saw their belt grinder that appears to be worth trying. Then
>>I googled and found a review on it along with other grinders -
>>https://mechanicguides.com/best-belt-grinders/ .
>> >
>> > Has anyone on here used the Grizzly? If so, could you describe the
>>quality?
>
>I don't have their grinder, but I do have 3 Griz WW machines and love
>them. Finish is good, fit can be iffy, but if you have a file and
>reamer as you put it together, they're fine machines for a lower
>price. Griz (China and Taiwan origins) does a much better QC job than
>HFT does.
>
>

I would have agreed once upon a time, but my recent experience with
both has changed my opinion.

I've purchased 11 Grizzly self centering vises
http://www.grizzly.com/products/Precision-Self-Centering-Vise/H7576
over the past 5 years. I make various adjustable v-rests for a
customer by replacing the stock jaws with with purpose-made jaws. At
about $150 each, the vises in the first batch I purchased were
remarkably nice quality. The vises in each subsequent order have
declined in quality as the price has increased. The last two batches
were completely unusable as delivered.

I complained once and was offered an exchange. Having already reworked
the vises, I declined, explaining that I'd rather have some assurance
that Grizzly would try to make sure the next batch was better. But the
most recent 2 vises were the worst to date. After fixing them, and
recieving a request to submit a review, I wrote what I thought was an
objective review -- no rant, just my opinion supported by numbers. The
review didn't show up on the vises' page. I inquired about this, and
after wasting my time responding to requests to resubmit the review,
etc., I received the following,

"We are happy to assist you. Thank you for taking the time to
re-submit your review. We appreciate all your comments however, there
is no guarantee how long it can take to be reviewed. We feel customer
input is a valuable source of information as we continually strive to
improve the quality of our equipment and service. Please note that
your review has been forwarded to the proper personnel. Once it has
been reviewed, we may choose to post it online. Once again, we value
your opinion and thank you for your time."

If you compare the reviews on Grizzly's web site to the recent
comments on their Facebook page it's pretty clear what's going on.

At least HF lets you read about all the warts on their stuff before
you buy.

--
Ned Simmons

[William Bagwell]

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 20:47:56 -0500, Ned Simmons <ne...@nedsim.com>
wrote:

>At least HF lets you read about all the warts on their stuff before
>you buy.

HF is all over the board, from utter crap to incredible bargains.
Looking for my post about HF die grinders from a few years ago... To
change the subject am I the first mention Tee-Nut today? Barely knew
him as I was just a lurking newbie back when he was active but seems
sad to not have a thread in his memory today.
--
William

[William Bagwell]

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 22:40:10 -0500, William Bagwell
<use-...@s.this.one.invalid> wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 20:47:56 -0500, Ned Simmons <ne...@nedsim.com>
>wrote:
>
>>At least HF lets you read about all the warts on their stuff before
>>you buy.
>
>HF is all over the board, from utter crap to incredible bargains.
>Looking for my post about HF die grinders from a few years ago.

Ah, 2013.

"Worked in a plastics factory for six years. Dozens and dozens of
the $10 to $15 Harbor Freight die grinders. (Owner was a bit
cheap...) While some broke while new, amazingly many of them ran for
*years* on wet nasty unfiltered air with only occasional oiling.

What they all lacked was the power to take a heavy cut. The lone
Sioux in the plant was passed around constantly for heavy cuts and
it too survived on unfiltered compressed air. Sioux makes good
stuff! Wish I could afford to buy a dozen:-("
--
William

[Gunner Asch]

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 22:40:10 -0500, William Bagwell
<use-...@s.this.one.invalid> wrote:

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From: Robert Bastow <"teenut"@ hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.metalworking
Subject: Re: New Magnum "Mauser" Actions
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 03:39:07 GMT

I think you have got right off the point Greg..Which is that the
Smellie, as it
has been AFFECTIONATELY called by several generations of British and
Commonwealth soldiers as well as shooters, (From SMLE..Short Magazine
Lee
Enfield..get it?) is argued by many with greater expertise than me, to
be the
finest bolt action BATTLE RIFLE ever put into the hands of troops.

No one disputes the superiority and strength of the Mauser as a
SPORTING rifle.
It is a classic of design..but like so many other German weapons..the
Luger for
instance..it is just too finely fitted for use in the grit and mud of
a
battlefield.

Yes the Smellie is ugly..beyond ugly..but it handles and points like a
best
grade shotgun. Its short stroke, slick action, allows an expert to
fire 30
AIMED rounds a minute. Its misbegotten handle was designed for
bayonet fighting
and its two piece butt makes a wonderfully tough trench club...try
that with a
Mauser 98 and you have a long barrelled, mud choked pistol!!

Pretty it isn't, accurate and reliable it is..like a Timex they took a
licking
and kept on ticking..some of them for almost fifty years in front line
service.

(Cheap shot about my "alleged" plans to build Mauser replicas will be
ignored
for now..I just plunked down several hundred thousand dollars to by
the means
and today spent another couple or more hundreds on applications for a
BATF "Non
Destructive Devices" Manufacturing Licence, an FFL and a PCP..They
actually LIKE
the idea of me carrying a concealed personal defense weapon when I
might be
working late hours in an "Arms Factory"!!!!)

As for accuracy...How come the Queens Prize at Bisley..which is open
to all
comers with a current military issue rifle, was never won by a Mauser
or a
Springfield?? What would have happened if the National Match had been
opened up
to "Smellies"

Trust me, in the 600 to 1200 yard ranges they STILL take a hell of a
lot of
beating!

Respectfully
teenut

Bray Haven wrote:
>
> T. Nut says,
> >You are entitled to your opinion..humble or not Greg. But you are wrong..and
> >that makes you appear not just misinformed, but silly too!
> >
> >I suggest you go do some serious research before opening up half cocked
> >again.!
>
> Whatever you say, Tee. Try to be more specific though. What did I say that was
> wrong? I guess the master gunsmiths of the world are wrong. I've been a
> gunsmith for over 40 years. Have shot competitively for 30 some odd. Been a
> weapons instructor. Been an infantry officer in combat and hunted big game on
> several continents. Was an outdoor writer and editor for many years, on and on
> etc. but you're (alledgedly) going to build mauser actions and that makes you
> an authority on the design of bolt action rifles. I thought you were building
> mausers. Why not build up sized SMELLIES if they are so damn good? I've
> worked with many great gunmakers who build the truly fine custom guns made in
> the US today and they ALL share my opinion. Your credentials to call me
> uninformed and silly are somewhat reversing the insult. Why is my opinion
> "wrong" and yours "right"? I think you are just still mad at me for saying
> unkind things about public smoking :o). As the legendary philosopher, Josh
> Billings once said, "it aint ignorance so much as folks knowing a lot that just
> ain't so" OWTE.
>
> Greg Sefton

From: Robert Bastow <"teenut"@ hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.metalworking
Subject: Re: New Magnum "Mauser" Actions
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 03:00:49 GMT

The Mauser is indeed artistry in design..But if I had to go to WAR
with a bolt
action rifle, I would pick the Lee Enfield every time...It proved to
be far more
suitable for rapid fire and simply shrugged off the mud of the
trenches that
bought mausers and springfields to a grinding standstill.

Horses for courses!

teenut



foxeye wrote:
> The Mauser was a piece of work before its time, and still
> remains so. Pity the americans had nothing in their arsenal at the
> time that was even equal to it, and the Brits never came close.

From: Robert Bastow <"teenut"@ hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.metalworking
Subject: Re: New Magnum "Mauser" Actions
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 03:17:04 GMT

James Paris Lee...Invented the generally accepted best Bolt actioned
BATTLE
RIFLE.

Cock on opening was specifically chosen by the British in both the Lee
Enfield
and the P13 (P14 and US model 1917)

This was because the absolute first requirement of a battle rifle is
reliability...and that includest the feeding and EXTRACTION of the
fired
case..This becomes progressively more difficult with dirty, low
quality war time
ammo and especially so during rapid fire. The cock on closing
concentrates ALL
the effort of lifting the bolt handle into primary extraction.

BTW the Enfield Model 1917 equipped the MAJORITY of US Doughboys
during the
First world War, Sgt Alvin York carried one, plus a Colt Model 1911
during his
famous exploit (NOT an 03 Springfield and a captured Luger as
portrayed in the
movie!!)

The Us Army found the Enfield FASTER and MORE accurate than the
Springfield and
pressed for its adoption in place of the Springfield after the war.
Only the
Political incorrectness of adopting a foreign design kept the
Springfield in
production.

teenut

Gary Coffman wrote:
>
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:02:29 +0000, Lou Boyd <bo...@apt2.sao.arizona.edu> wrote:
> >JMartin957 wrote:
> >>
> >> >Mauser, Browning, and Kalashnikov are considered the premiere small
> >> >arms designers of the 19th/20th century. They designed or strongly
> >> >influenced the design of the small arms used by most of the world's
> >> >armies throughout most of the 20th century.
> >>
> >> Don't think too many would object if you added John Garand to that list...
> >
> >Or Eugene Stoner.
>
> Both gentlemen produced good small arms designs that were adopted for
> US service, but they didn't produce the wide range of designs, or have the
> large influence on other designers all over the world, that the gentlemen I
> listed did. They deserve to be on the list, but there are others I would list
> ahead of them.

[Larry Jaques]

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 20:47:56 -0500, Ned Simmons <ne...@nedsim.com>

That's a bummer to hear.

>I complained once and was offered an exchange. Having already reworked
>the vises, I declined, explaining that I'd rather have some assurance
>that Grizzly would try to make sure the next batch was better. But the
>most recent 2 vises were the worst to date. After fixing them, and
>recieving a request to submit a review, I wrote what I thought was an
>objective review -- no rant, just my opinion supported by numbers. The
>review didn't show up on the vises' page. I inquired about this, and
>after wasting my time responding to requests to resubmit the review,
>etc., I received the following,
>
>"We are happy to assist you. Thank you for taking the time to
>re-submit your review. We appreciate all your comments however, there
>is no guarantee how long it can take to be reviewed. We feel customer
>input is a valuable source of information as we continually strive to
>improve the quality of our equipment and service. Please note that
>your review has been forwarded to the proper personnel. Once it has
>been reviewed, we may choose to post it online. Once again, we value
>your opinion and thank you for your time."

Oh, that's disgusting. I wonder if the same malady which is hitting
HF has hit Grizzly, too. HF's heir took over and is ransacking the
estate and screwing with the company something fierce. And it could
be their source factory who is failing them, too. I've read that some
of the Chinese factories are outsourcing to Thailand and Vietnam due
to lower wages. Ironic, non?

>If you compare the reviews on Grizzly's web site to the recent
>comments on their Facebook page it's pretty clear what's going on.

I'll have to check that out. When I confirm it, I'll send them a
nastygram.

>At least HF lets you read about all the warts on their stuff before
>you buy.

Ayup, but half of those are written by inbred yahoos who may have
forgotten to plug it into the outlet or tighten the blade holder.
Reading between the lines on both good and bad reviews is essential on
most websites. Some sites show how long the person has owned the new
tool, which gives much more relevance to the review.

[Larry Jaques]

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 22:40:10 -0500, William Bagwell
<use-...@s.this.one.invalid> wrote:

Jayzuss, T-nut is as bad as Elvis: He keeps popping up everywhere.

Since 1976, I have bought a majority of the items HF has put out, with
the exception of the high-dollar machinery. I think I've only returned
15-20 items in that 41 years, and passed up maybe 100 after seeing the
lack of quality in person at the stores. The low price and decent
quality of most things has allowed me to buy a lot more tools there
than if I'd bought US name brands, so I'm a happy shopper. Seeing that
most tools aren't made in the US today, I'm happy to let a US company
make their profit on me.

-


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet,
balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying,
take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations,
analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a
tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is
for insects.

-Robert A. Heinlein

[Larry Jaques]

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 22:54:15 -0500, William Bagwell

Why couldn't you get the owner to pony up the $28 it cost for a FRL
unit after a few of the tools died? Air would then have been
filtered, dried, and oiled.

[Ned Simmons]

On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:24:50 -0800, Larry Jaques

These vises seem to come from India, or maybe Pakistan, based on the
type on the slips of newsprint used to shim the jaws.

>
>
>>If you compare the reviews on Grizzly's web site to the recent
>>comments on their Facebook page it's pretty clear what's going on.
>
>I'll have to check that out. When I confirm it, I'll send them a
>nastygram.

I'd be curious to hear what you find. After my suspicions were
aroused, and I looked around Grizzly's website, I had trouble finding
negative reviews. What really galled me was that they solicited my
review, then refused to post it.

>
>
>>At least HF lets you read about all the warts on their stuff before
>>you buy.
>
>Ayup, but half of those are written by inbred yahoos who may have
>forgotten to plug it into the outlet or tighten the blade holder.
>Reading between the lines on both good and bad reviews is essential on
>most websites. Some sites show how long the person has owned the new
>tool, which gives much more relevance to the review.

Add to that the fact that a pissed off customer is more motivated to
write a review and the dearth of negative reviews on Grizzly.com is
all the more suspect.

--
Ned Simmons

[William Bagwell]

On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:37:05 -0800, Larry Jaques
<lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 22:54:15 -0500, William Bagwell
><use-...@s.this.one.invalid> wrote:

>>Ah, 2013.
>>
>>"Worked in a plastics factory for six years. Dozens and dozens of
>>the $10 to $15 Harbor Freight die grinders. (Owner was a bit
>>cheap...) While some broke while new, amazingly many of them ran for
>>*years* on wet nasty unfiltered air with only occasional oiling.
>>
>>What they all lacked was the power to take a heavy cut. The lone
>>Sioux in the plant was passed around constantly for heavy cuts and
>>it too survived on unfiltered compressed air. Sioux makes good
>>stuff! Wish I could afford to buy a dozen:-("
>
>Why couldn't you get the owner to pony up the $28 it cost for a FRL
>unit after a few of the tools died? Air would then have been
>filtered, dried, and oiled.

Most of the early deaths had nothing to do with the unfiltered air.
Brief period before I started of engraving the date on all tools
which is how I knew some of them were as old as seven years when
they finally died. (Of course they could have been 'squirreled' for
part of that time...)

They did buy a huge used air dryer that proved to be the wrong type.
Never ran while I was there... But yes, the owner would have been
ecstatic over a $28 solution. Still occasionally get called about
things so may get to pass this on.
--
William

[Larry Jaques]

On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 22:21:22 -0500, William Bagwell

<use-...@s.this.one.invalid> wrote:

>On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:37:05 -0800, Larry Jaques
><lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 22:54:15 -0500, William Bagwell
>><use-...@s.this.one.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>Ah, 2013.
>>>
>>>"Worked in a plastics factory for six years. Dozens and dozens of
>>>the $10 to $15 Harbor Freight die grinders. (Owner was a bit
>>>cheap...) While some broke while new, amazingly many of them ran for
>>>*years* on wet nasty unfiltered air with only occasional oiling.
>>>
>>>What they all lacked was the power to take a heavy cut. The lone
>>>Sioux in the plant was passed around constantly for heavy cuts and
>>>it too survived on unfiltered compressed air. Sioux makes good
>>>stuff! Wish I could afford to buy a dozen:-("
>>
>>Why couldn't you get the owner to pony up the $28 it cost for a FRL
>>unit after a few of the tools died? Air would then have been
>>filtered, dried, and oiled.
>
>Most of the early deaths had nothing to do with the unfiltered air.

I know, but when a boss who usually cheaps out sees that a simple
investment might save him money, the suggestion that it would save
more tools in the future might work for you even though it isn't the
actual cause of today's failures. Haven't you learned to "work" your
Peter Principle bosses? <g> It's not lying, it's creative quality
assurance.

>Brief period before I started of engraving the date on all tools
>which is how I knew some of them were as old as seven years when
>they finally died. (Of course they could have been 'squirreled' for
>part of that time...)

Good idea. I need to tear down all my old air tools and soak them.
Many of their vanes are stuck from sitting for decades. I think only
the Rodac 1/2" drive impact from '74 is truly worn out, from 11 years
hard use.

>They did buy a huge used air dryer that proved to be the wrong type.
>Never ran while I was there... But yes, the owner would have been
>ecstatic over a $28 solution. Still occasionally get called about
>things so may get to pass this on.

Good.

[Larry Jaques]

On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 20:57:38 -0500, Ned Simmons <ne...@nedsim.com>

Yeah, not kosher. I just went on the website and found that 99% of
their tools have 5 star ratings and the few who show 4.5 or 4 stars
don't have the negative reviews. They show 3 reviews but only 2 show
up (both with 5 stars, of course.) Something is rotten in the state
of Denmark, alright.

>>>At least HF lets you read about all the warts on their stuff before
>>>you buy.

I found the trick. Someone posted this about the 1x30 belt sander and
used 5 stars. They printed it. <g>

"I don't like this cheap piece of junk. The price was cheap and the
sander was even cheaper. The first thing when assembling it was the
thread in the plastic nut striped and I had to get it helix coiled to
use it. way to much plastic and cast aluminum, the cheapest juk you
can find and still call it metal. Not even worth sending back.
Woodwoker"

>>Ayup, but half of those are written by inbred yahoos who may have
>>forgotten to plug it into the outlet or tighten the blade holder.
>>Reading between the lines on both good and bad reviews is essential on
>>most websites. Some sites show how long the person has owned the new
>>tool, which gives much more relevance to the review.
>
>Add to that the fact that a pissed off customer is more motivated to
>write a review and the dearth of negative reviews on Grizzly.com is
>all the more suspect.

Isn't it, though?

[Gunner Asch]

On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:24:50 -0800, Larry Jaques
<lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:

>
>>At least HF lets you read about all the warts on their stuff before
>>you buy.
>
>Ayup, but half of those are written by inbred yahoos who may have
>forgotten to plug it into the outlet or tighten the blade holder.
>Reading between the lines on both good and bad reviews is essential on
>most websites. Some sites show how long the person has owned the new
>tool, which gives much more relevance to the review.

I always love the reviews that somewhere in it can be found "...I
havent used it yet but it looks really good"

[Ned Simmons]

On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 10:06:42 -0800, Larry Jaques

I tried again with a 5 star and "recommended" rating. They must have
made the filtering software smarter since that post, or they have me
blocked entirely. I suppose I could create another account and try
again, but a better use of my is probably to find another source for
the vises.

--
Ned Simmons

[Bob La Londe]

I'm sorry to hear they are not up to snuff any longer. I have a couple
task I do that would benefit from a self centering vise. Other than
Grizzly all the similar vises I have seen are in that thousand-ish
dollar range. Even Shars. Although if they really do maintain .0004
repeatability I can see why they cost so much.

[Ned Simmons]

On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 12:01:28 -0700, Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99>

I've never had a problem with the jaw dovetails and gib adjustment.
The jaws move smoothly with no play. In every case the screw and its
support are the sticking point. The design of the screw support is
less than ideal, but wouldn't be too hard to improve. If they took a
bit more care machining the screw, and supplied the guy assembling the
screw with a shim assortment, all my complaints would go away.

This is the rejected review.

***************************************
The notion that this is a precision vise is preposterous. We've
purchased eleven of these vises over the past few years and the
quality is a crap-shoot. I've become used to the idea that I'll have
to rework them to make them usable even for our use, which is not a
precision operation. I consider myself lucky when they're good enough
out of the box.

The most recent two vises we received are the worst to date. They
required shims to remove the end play from the screws; .040" for one,
.060" for the other. There's not much point in a self-centering vise
if the screw can float.

One vise also required opening up the bearing bore for the screw in
the end plates to allow the screw to turn freely. The end plate screws
were loose, probably to allow the plate to wobble and compensate for
the wonky bore.

The jaws are shimmed with strips of newspaper, presumably so they
close squarely. This has been true of every vise we've purchased. (We
don't use the stock jaws.) Good luck getting them back that way if you
remove them for any reason.

Unless you're looking for a project, or don't mind gambling, look
elsewhere if you truly need an accurate self-centering vise.
**************************************

--
Ned Simmons