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rtuOa⚛← Mighty ╬ Wannabe →⚛XYrnf

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Cubans love Fidel Castro.

<http://www.reuters.com/article/us-cuba-castro-idUSKBN13Q3GJ>
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Tens of thousands of Cubans greeted Fidel Castro's funeral cortege on
its journey across Cuba on Thursday, unflagging in their admiration for
one of the towering figures of the 20th Century who is equally loathed
by his adversaries.

Waving flags and singing the national anthem, Cubans thickly lined
pastel-colored colonial streets to pay their respects to Castro. He died
on Friday at age 90, a decade after stepping down as president but
defiant to the end toward the United States, the world power he
tormented from just 90 miles (145 km) away.

The government declared nine days of mourning for the man who built a
Communist state, aligned Cuba with the Soviet Union and survived what
his government claimed were more than 600 U.S. assassination attempts.

The cause of his death has not been made public, but Castro had been
weak since an intestinal ailment believed to be diverticulitis forced
him to relinquish power in 2006.

The outpouring from ordinary Cubans contrasts with the hatred of many
Cuban exiles who saw Castro as a tyrant who jailed opponents and ruined
the economy with socialism.

Whether out of revolutionary zeal, nationalist pride or a sense of
obligation in a one-party state that tolerates little dissent, Cubans
have poured onto the streets to bid their final farewell.

"I was born with him, I lived with him, and I wanted to die before him,"
said Ivan Castillo, 44, a public health worker.

He carried his 6-year-old son with the words "I am Fidel" across his
forehead, a repetition of a phrase that has become the national slogan
for the mourning period, shouted from streets and squares.

"Now it's on those of us who lived with Fidel to teach the youth to
continue fighting for his ideals," Castillo said, in the city of
Camaguey, where Castro's ashes will stay overnight 336 miles (542 km)
east of Havana.

On Wednesday, his casket spent the night alongside the remains of Che
Guevara in the city of Santa Clara.

The procession was slowly making its way east, destined for the final
resting place of his ashes in Santiago de Cuba, where Castro's rebels
first launched an attack on the U.S.-backed forces of Fulgencio Batista
in 1953.

Batista was finally driven from Cuba on Jan. 1, 1959, and the cortege is
retracing the trek Castro made from that day until he arrived in Havana
a week later.

Castro would go on to build a healthcare system for the poor, he sent
doctors around the world but also soldiers to Africa to help Namibia
achieve independence and weaken apartheid in South Africa.

Many lined up for hours on Monday and Tuesday to pass through a memorial
in Havana's Revolution Square. Tens, if not hundreds of thousands,
gathered there on Tuesday night for a four-hour ceremony in which
presidents from around the world delivered eulogies.

(Writing by Daniel Trotta; Editing by Bernadette Baum, Jonathan Oatis
and Andrew Hay)


Jim Wilkins

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Dec 2, 2016, 1:30:24 PM12/2/16
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"Winston_Smith" <inv...@butterfly.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 11:53:07 -0500, rtuOa?? ?????? ? ??????? ??XYrnf
> <MP...@BOJgi.com> wrote:
>
>><http://www.reuters.com/article/us-cuba-castro-idUSKBN13Q3GJ>
>>Tens of thousands of Cubans greeted Fidel Castro's funeral cortege
>>on
>>its journey across Cuba on Thursday, un ....
>
> I think if I lived in Cuba, I too would want to see for myself that
> he
> was really dead. One down, one to go.
>

The only Cubans not praising him are in jail - for that reason.


Frank

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Dec 2, 2016, 8:21:58 PM12/2/16
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HBO videos last night showing typical Cubans. Might as well all be in
jail as life outside is no better. Terrible poverty. People just
existing day by day.

HwtFQ⚛← Mighty ╬ Wannabe →⚛sStEf

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Dec 2, 2016, 10:43:41 PM12/2/16
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That's exactly what punishing US economic sanctions can do to a defiant
country. I heard the US economic sanctions killed millions of Saddam's
Iraqi children.




rbowman

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Dec 2, 2016, 11:27:32 PM12/2/16
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On 12/02/2016 08:43 PM, HwtFQ⚛← Mighty ╬ Wannabe →⚛sStEf wrote:
> That's exactly what punishing US economic sanctions can do to a defiant
> country. I heard the US economic sanctions killed millions of Saddam's
> Iraqi children.

"I think this is a very hard choice, but the price — we think the price
is worth it."

"There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other!”

Madeline Albright

If there is a hell, I hope they have a very special place reserved for
that war criminal. The little chimp Kissinger can have the adjoining cell.

Ministry of Vengeance and Vendettas

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UTF-8?B?772O772B772C772FIOKGkuKam1hZcm5m?= <MP...@BOJgi.com> wrote in
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>
> Cubans hate Fidel Castro.

Wonder how they would behave if the secret police and the army weren't
threatening them

If Cuba is sch a paradisw why don't you live there?

In fact why aren't people trying to sneak in like people try to sneak out?

n fact people always seem to be trying to escape communist paradises but not
trying to break in. And they ususally want to come to America.

You don't see a lot of Americans breaking INTO Cuba. Especially those
socialist with a Gold Card types.

--
"...And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned
from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let
them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and
pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of
liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and
tyrants. It is its natural manure."--Thomas Jefferson, Nov. 13, 1787

Ministry of Vengeance and Vendettas

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UTF-8?B?772O772B772C772FIOKGkuKam3NTdEVm?= <jz...@ealnR.com> wrote in
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Wrong. Saddam killed millions of Iraq's children. And now he's dead. See
how the karma works?

So when are you moving to the commie paradise?

aNXUK⚛← Mighty ╬ Wannabe →⚛WBHmR

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Ministry of Vengeance and Vendettas wrote on 12/3/2016 9:53 AM:
>
>
> If Cuba is sch a paradisw why don't you live there?

Life is harsh under punishing US economic sanctions.

>
> In fact why aren't people trying to sneak in like people try to sneak out?

No need to "sneak in". Lot of tourists go there everyday. You really
need to get out more.

>
> n fact people always seem to be trying to escape communist paradises but not
> trying to break in. And they ususally want to come to America.

Lot of drugs, casinos and whorehouses in America.

>
> You don't see a lot of Americans breaking INTO Cuba. Especially those
> socialist with a Gold Card types.

No drugs, casinos nor whorehouses in Cuba.




abOKX⚛← Mighty ╬ Wannabe →⚛PpsIM

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Dec 3, 2016, 10:17:22 AM12/3/16
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US economic sanctions killed the Iraqi children:

Madeleine Albright says 500,000 dead Iraqi Children was "worth it" wins
Medal of Freedom
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE>

US Sponsored Genocide Against Iraq 1990-2012. Killed 3.3 Million,
Including 750,000 Children
<http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-sponsored-genocide-against-iraq-1990-2012-killed-3-3-million-including-750000-children/5314461>


>
> So when are you moving to the commie paradise?

Life is harsh under US economic sanctions.




rbowman

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Dec 3, 2016, 2:21:51 PM12/3/16
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If you want the drugs, whores, and casinos, just go to Little Havana.
It's a lot easier.



Just Wondering

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Dec 3, 2016, 4:26:27 PM12/3/16
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On 12/3/2016 7:56 AM, Ministry of Vengeance and Vendettas wrote:
> =?UTF-8?wrote:
>
>> That's exactly what punishing US economic sanctions can do to a defiant
>> country. I heard the US economic sanctions killed millions of Saddam's
>> Iraqi children.
>
> Wrong. Saddam killed millions of Iraq's children.
>
Saddam was not a nice person. But since the total civilian population
of all ages he is responsible for killing is estimated between 500,000
and 1,200,000, your specific claim is bullshit.

XYzGW⚛← Mighty ╬ Wannabe →⚛nsKPv

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PaxPerPoten

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Lots and lots of Rum..regular Rum $3.00 a fifth...Excellent Rum $5.00 a
fifth. While Castro was a say station for drugs to America...Pot, etc
are not a big player there. But the Booze is cheap and plentiful.
>
>
>
>


--
It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster

Ministry of Vengeance and Vendettas

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Just Wondering <fmh...@comcast.net> wrote in news:3MG0A.75561$WD2.73407
@fx35.iad:
He set the tone. The leasder is always the one responsible.

--
"...And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned
from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let
them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and
pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of
liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and

Ministry of Vengeance and Vendettas

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Winston_Smith <inv...@butterfly.net> wrote in
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> On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 18:45:16 -0500, XYzGW wrote:
>
>>US economic sanctions killed the Iraqi children:
>>
>>Madeleine Albright says ...
>
> And here I thought we were going to be talking facts. Silly me.
>

Madelien Notbright. Talk about an embarassment.

--
"...And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned
from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let
them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and
pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of
liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and

Bert

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=?UTF-8?B?772O772B772C772FIOKGkuKam1dCSG1S?= <za...@dbCkg.com> wrote:

> Life is harsh under punishing US economic sanctions.

Doesn't Cuba trade with the rest of the world?

--
be...@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN

rbowman

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On 12/04/2016 12:02 AM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
> Lots and lots of Rum..regular Rum $3.00 a fifth...Excellent Rum $5.00 a
> fifth. While Castro was a say station for drugs to America...Pot, etc
> are not a big player there. But the Booze is cheap and plentiful.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2005-03-27/news/0503270387_1_drug-traffickers-cuba-drug-trade

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-19528416

At least Cuba recognizes the problem and is trying to do something about
it. Jamaica, Haiti, and the Bahamas are the big players but Cuba's
geographical position makes it a great place to play cat and mouse. A
cigarette boat on a bee-line from West End to Palm Beach sort of stands out.



Osfii⚛← Mighty ╬ Wannabe →⚛sHrkj

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Bert wrote on 12/4/2016 12:31 PM:
> In news:feB0A.82413$LJ2....@fx18.iad
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> =?UTF-8?B?772O772B772C772FIOKGkuKam1dCSG1S?= <za...@dbCkg.com> wrote:
>
>> Life is harsh under punishing US economic sanctions.
>
> Doesn't Cuba trade with the rest of the world?

Very limited in quantity and variety.

If US economic sanctions won't negatively impact the ability of the
target country to trade, then why would the US be so fond of using
economic sanctions to beat the target country into submission? Think
about it.







edhun...@gmail.com

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Sanctions only work if you get multinational agreement with other major trading nations to implement the sanction. Otherwise, it's a token gesture.

Cuba has had open trading with many developed nations. The US embargo has largely failed at squeezing Cuba economically.

"Many of the provisions of the embargo are bypassed with the help of countries that do business with Cuba, despite their own close ties to the United States. The Netherlands and Canada are Cuba’s primary trading partners, and Canadian and European tourists have been regular visitors since the late 1990s.

"The Cuban government has been only too happy to help this situation along by allowing direct acceptance of the euro in tourist areas and by waiving conversion surcharges against British pounds and Canadian dollars. As a result, tourism has boomed and America’s allies have helped it thrive."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/37256542

Cuba's economic failure is the product of their failed economic system. The effect of the US embargo has been slight. Before Batista was disposed, Cuba's GDP per capita was slightly higher than the average for the Caribbean. Now it is much lower. It isn't a lack of trade with the US that caused it.

From the same article linked to above:

"The Cuban-American community also plays a role in the embargo’s lackluster results. Despite almost uniform anti-Castro sentiment, many Cuban-Americans still send money to family members back home, a practice that has persisted for years.

"This activity has been so widespread that in 1993, the Cuban government made the U.S. dollar legal tender. This status was rescinded in 2004, and a 20 percent surcharge is now levied on all US currency conversions. But despite the fees and despite the law, the money keeps getting sent anyway.

"Most of these remittances are made through third parties, including money transfer services such as Western Union and "mules" who hand carry the cash to Cuba, taking a cut of the money for themselves."

The Soviet Union's former support, and Argentina's more recent free oil contributions, kept Cuba afloat. Now, they're feeling the true effects of their own economic system.

The US embargo is symbolic. And for Castro, it's been an excuse and a scapegoat for his miserable economic failure.

--
Ed Huntress

SiPNM⚛← Mighty ╬ Wannabe →⚛XtUdd

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Winston_Smith wrote on 12/4/2016 2:41 PM:
> On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 14:21:05 -0500, Osfii wrote:
>
>> If US economic sanctions won't negatively impact the ability of the
>> target country to trade, then why would the US be so fond of using
>> economic sanctions to beat the target country into submission? Think
>> about it.
>
> Makes the sheeple think you are doing something about the problem.
>
> Worked for Cuba too; Castro played the martyr to justify his iron
> rule. Putin is doing the same thing at the moment.

No drugs, no guns, no whores.

Cuba is well known for exporting medical equipment and doctors.

Cuban medical internationalism
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_medical_internationalism>




edhun...@gmail.com

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On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 7:00:05 PM UTC-5, SiPNM⚛← Mighty ╬ Wannabe →⚛XtUdd wrote:
> Winston_Smith wrote on 12/4/2016 2:41 PM:
> > On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 14:21:05 -0500, Osfii wrote:
> >
> >> If US economic sanctions won't negatively impact the ability of the
> >> target country to trade, then why would the US be so fond of using
> >> economic sanctions to beat the target country into submission? Think
> >> about it.
> >
> > Makes the sheeple think you are doing something about the problem.
> >
> > Worked for Cuba too; Castro played the martyr to justify his iron
> > rule. Putin is doing the same thing at the moment.
>
> No drugs, no guns, no whores.

Just extrajudicial killings, show trials, forced labor camps, and outright political executions ("midrange" estimate is 15,000). /Censorship. Until 2013, restrictions on travel -- unless the government wanted to get rid of you.

Face it, Wannabe. Cuba is an authoritarian, neo-fascist regime that
imprisons or kills those it can't intimidate into silence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Cuba

>
> Cuba is well known for exporting medical equipment and doctors.

Isn't that nice.

>
> Cuban medical internationalism
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_medical_internationalism>

--
Ed Huntress

mksxr⚛← Mighty ╬ Wannabe →⚛YpNgh

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edhun...@gmail.com wrote on 12/4/2016 10:33 PM:
>
>
> Just extrajudicial killings, show trials, forced labor camps, and outright political executions

You have just described the US illegal torture of political prisoners in
Guantánamo Bay (GTMO) and extrajudicial killing of innocent civilians by
drone strikes.

Face it, your government has done worse things than Fidel Castro did.





PaxPerPoten

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On 12/4/2016 12:14 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On 12/04/2016 12:02 AM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
>> Lots and lots of Rum..regular Rum $3.00 a fifth...Excellent Rum $5.00 a
>> fifth. While Castro was a way station for drugs to America...Pot, etc
I stand corrected. My information came from a Cuban NG..Which probably
had no cubans. ;-)
>
> At least Cuba recognizes the problem and is trying to do something about
> it. Jamaica, Haiti, and the Bahamas are the big players but Cuba's
> geographical position makes it a great place to play cat and mouse. A
> cigarette boat on a bee-line from West End to Palm Beach sort of stands
> out.

I see where they captured a couple of half assed submarines hauling in
Pot a while back.

DztLM⚛← Mighty ╬ Wannabe →⚛jbaCk

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PaxPerPoten wrote on 12/5/2016 1:44 AM:
> On 12/4/2016 12:14 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On 12/04/2016 12:02 AM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
>>> Lots and lots of Rum..regular Rum $3.00 a fifth...Excellent Rum $5.00 a
>>> fifth. While Castro was a way station for drugs to America...Pot, etc
>>> are not a big player there. But the Booze is cheap and plentiful.
>>
>> http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2005-03-27/news/0503270387_1_drug-traffickers-cuba-drug-trade
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-19528416
>
> I stand corrected. My information came from a Cuban NG..Which probably
> had no cubans. ;-)


That Cuban NG definitely had Cubans. They are all anti-Cuba Cubans. They
vilify Cuba to please their US host.

PaxPerPoten

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On 12/5/2016 1:03 AM, DztLM⚛← Mighty ╬ Wannabe →⚛jbaCk wrote:
> PaxPerPoten wrote on 12/5/2016 1:44 AM:
>> On 12/4/2016 12:14 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On 12/04/2016 12:02 AM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
>>>> Lots and lots of Rum..regular Rum $3.00 a fifth...Excellent Rum $5.00 a
>>>> fifth. While Castro was a way station for drugs to America...Pot, etc
>>>> are not a big player there. But the Booze is cheap and plentiful.
>>>
>>> http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2005-03-27/news/0503270387_1_drug-traffickers-cuba-drug-trade
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-19528416
>>
>> I stand corrected. My information came from a Cuban NG..Which probably
>> had no cubans. ;-)
>
>
> That Cuban NG definitely had Cubans. They are all anti-Cuba Cubans. They
> vilify Cuba to please their US host.



Of course Jonathon..You have a cite for this?

yDbAz⚛← Mighty ╬ Wannabe →⚛ZGJss

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PaxPerPoten wrote on 12/5/2016 2:30 AM:
> On 12/5/2016 1:03 AM, DztLM⚛← Mighty ╬ Wannabe →⚛jbaCk wrote:
>> PaxPerPoten wrote on 12/5/2016 1:44 AM:
>>> On 12/4/2016 12:14 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On 12/04/2016 12:02 AM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
>>>>> Lots and lots of Rum..regular Rum $3.00 a fifth...Excellent Rum
>>>>> $5.00 a
>>>>> fifth. While Castro was a way station for drugs to America...Pot, etc
>>>>> are not a big player there. But the Booze is cheap and plentiful.
>>>>
>>>> http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2005-03-27/news/0503270387_1_drug-traffickers-cuba-drug-trade
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-19528416
>>>
>>> I stand corrected. My information came from a Cuban NG..Which probably
>>> had no cubans. ;-)
>>
>>
>> That Cuban NG definitely had Cubans. They are all anti-Cuba Cubans. They
>> vilify Cuba to please their US host.
>
>
>
> Of course Jonathon..You have a cite for this?

Have the white-coats hauled your ass to the cockoo's nest yet? You still
think everybody is "Jonathon".





edhun...@gmail.com

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What does that have to do with Cuba's human rights violations? Are you trying to justify Castro by some noise in your head about the US?

--
Ed Huntress

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> Winston_Smith wrote on 12/4/2016 2:41 PM:
>> On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 14:21:05 -0500, Osfii wrote:
>>
>>> If US economic sanctions won't negatively impact the ability of the
>>> target country to trade, then why would the US be so fond of using
>>> economic sanctions to beat the target country into submission? Think
>>> about it.
>>
>> Makes the sheeple think you are doing something about the problem.
>>
>> Worked for Cuba too; Castro played the martyr to justify his iron
>> rule. Putin is doing the same thing at the moment.
>
> No drugs, no guns, no whores.

Alie, a lir, a lie. Cuba is a well known toursist destination for sex
tourism.


>
> Cuba is well known for exporting medical equipment and doctors.

Absoliute bullshit. When the maximum leader was sick he went elsewhwhere.
--
"...And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to
the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a
century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time,

Wayne

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On 12/4/2016 11:03 PM, DztLM⚛← Mighty ╬ Wannabe →⚛jbaCk wrote:
> PaxPerPoten wrote on 12/5/2016 1:44 AM:
>> On 12/4/2016 12:14 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On 12/04/2016 12:02 AM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
>>>> Lots and lots of Rum..regular Rum $3.00 a fifth...Excellent Rum $5.00 a
>>>> fifth. While Castro was a way station for drugs to America...Pot, etc
>>>> are not a big player there. But the Booze is cheap and plentiful.
>>>
>>> http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2005-03-27/news/0503270387_1_drug-traffickers-cuba-drug-trade
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-19528416
>>
>> I stand corrected. My information came from a Cuban NG..Which probably
>> had no cubans. ;-)
>
>
> That Cuban NG definitely had Cubans. They are all anti-Cuba Cubans. They
> vilify Cuba to please their US host.
>
LOL...I have close friends who are Cuban. They indeed have legitimate
bitches about Fidel. Seizure of personal assets, imprisonment, torture,
little things like that. Pleasing the US has absolutely nothing to do
with it.

Bert

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=?UTF-8?B?772O772B772C772FIOKGkuKam3NIcmtq?= <gu...@bYSTX.com> wrote:

> Bert wrote on 12/4/2016 12:31 PM:
>> In news:feB0A.82413$LJ2....@fx18.iad
>> =?UTF-8?B?YU5YVUvimpvihpAg77yt772J772H772I772U772ZIOKVrCDvvLfvvYHvvY4=
>> ?= =?UTF-8?B?772O772B772C772FIOKGkuKam1dCSG1S?= <za...@dbCkg.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Life is harsh under punishing US economic sanctions.
>>
>> Doesn't Cuba trade with the rest of the world?
>
> Very limited in quantity and variety.

Why? Because of the US "embargo?"

Jim Wilkins

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Dec 5, 2016, 5:34:45 PM12/5/16
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"Bert" <be...@iphouse.com> wrote in message
news:XnsA6D585B5F55...@127.0.0.1...
No, because they are too irresponsible to pay for what they receive.
They've always needed a sponsor like the USA but there isn't another
one as generous and forgiving. They already burned through Spain,
Russia, Brazil and Venezuela and now are trying to milk China, which
is like borrowing from the Mafia.

http://www.ascecuba.org/cuba-restructures-visible-external-debt/

http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=382056&CategoryId=14510

Communism makes unfullfillable promises to dependent youths and
nations whose needs exceed their abilities.


rbowman

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Dec 5, 2016, 10:20:19 PM12/5/16
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Were they buddies of Batista when he was running things? It's
understandable that the favored classes under Batista would be pissed
when Castro redealt the deck.

Nothing against your friends but expats typically don't have good things
to say about things back home.

QggML⚛← Mighty ╬ Wannabe →⚛NdQBN

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Dec 5, 2016, 10:41:14 PM12/5/16
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Especially when Cubans can get to stay in the US as refugees just by
badmouthing Castro and claim persecution.

The whole Cuban community in Miami was perpetuating this lie so that
they wouldn't be sent back to Cuba, and their stories grew taller everyday.






PaxPerPoten

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Dec 6, 2016, 12:42:30 AM12/6/16
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Pretty much the same address and pretty much the same insane posting.
Now buzz off and 69 your other sock puppets.

PaxPerPoten

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Dec 6, 2016, 12:44:49 AM12/6/16
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From the many tens of thousands of them in Florida..Batista must have
had a Helluva a lot of friends.

rbowman

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Dec 6, 2016, 1:05:29 AM12/6/16
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On 12/05/2016 10:44 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
> From the many tens of thousands of them in Florida..Batista must have
> had a Helluva a lot of friends.

The first wave was people who were leading the good life under Batista,
people like Little Mario's parents although I believe they decamped
before Castro took over. Then there are the Marielitos... Not all of the
125,000 or so were fresh out of a Cuban jail but enough were. Little
Havana isn't on my list of places to visit.

It used to piss me off. Arnie Coro had a DXers Unlimited show on Radio
Havana and either the Miami Cubans or maybe the Feds would jam it. Arnie
never was political but was just about shortwave. Now we have the
internet which they don't jam so easily:

http://dxersunlimited.blogspot.com/2016/03/hola-amigos-of-dxers-unlimited.html

I don't know if the show is still on. I could get Radio Havana in AZ but
I can't get much of anything in MT. Of course a lot of the broadcasters
have dropped out in the last 20 years and went the net. It's a lot
cheaper than running a 50 KW transmitter.

MHbUT⚛← Mighty ╬ Wannabe →⚛msryl

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Dec 6, 2016, 1:26:38 AM12/6/16
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You are the only one who thinks all those posters were the same person.
You must be one hell of a dumb ass in IT. I checked some of the posters
you called out, I find no reason to believe they were sock puppets from
the same person.

Were you homeschooled, by the way?







PaxPerPoten

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Dec 6, 2016, 1:48:36 AM12/6/16
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Nope..Just some University in Santa Barbara and Berkley. Cut my teeth on
Free BSD. You are definitely a sock puppet... I could post more if
necessary. Now buzz off and 69 your other 69 sock puppets.

vRQFs⚛← Mighty ╬ Wannabe →⚛gamTg

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Dec 6, 2016, 2:55:19 AM12/6/16
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Winston_Smith wrote on 12/6/2016 2:30 AM:
> On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 22:41:13 -0500, QggML wrote:
>
>> Especially when Cubans can get to stay in the US as refugees just by
>> badmouthing Castro and claim persecution.
>>
>> The whole Cuban community in Miami was perpetuating this lie so that
>> they wouldn't be sent back to Cuba, and their stories grew taller everyday.
>
> Why wouldn't they want to be sent back if it's the paradise you say it
> is?

There are no drugs, no guns, and no whorehouses in Cuba. Pay attention!

>
> In fact, why did they leave? Kidnapped by the CIA and brought here
> against their will no doubt as you will tell it.

Once again, there are no drugs, no guns, and no whorehouses in Cuba.

Are you stupid or something?

Ministry of Vengeance and Vendettas

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Dec 6, 2016, 7:09:54 AM12/6/16
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rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote in
news:eamp3g...@mid.individual.net:
Castro was a scumbag OBJECTIVELY.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 6, 2016, 7:52:34 AM12/6/16
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On Tue, 06 Dec 2016 00:30:10 -0700, Winston_Smith
<inv...@butterfly.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 22:41:13 -0500, QggML wrote:
>
>>Especially when Cubans can get to stay in the US as refugees just by
>>badmouthing Castro and claim persecution.
>>
>>The whole Cuban community in Miami was perpetuating this lie so that
>>they wouldn't be sent back to Cuba, and their stories grew taller everyday.
>
>Why wouldn't they want to be sent back if it's the paradise you say it
>is?
>
>In fact, why did they leave? Kidnapped by the CIA and brought here
>against their will no doubt as you will tell it.
>

Wannabe's having a little trouble keeping his head above water here.

On one hand, he wants to tell us Castro succeeded in creating the
Socialist Workers Paradise.

On the other hand, he wants to admit Castro failed "because of the
embargo."

On one hand, he wants to say that people fleeing Cuba wanted to come
to the US for Some mysterious, unknown reason. On the other hand, he
wants you to believe the rest stay because it's a Socialist Worker's
Paradise.

::Once again, there are no drugs, no guns, and no whorehouses in Cuba.

This is how disillusioned he is.

We already know he's lying about guns.

Cuba is, of course, a major shipping point for cocaine and other
drugs.

And there isn't a society anywhere on earth that doesn't support the
Oldest Profession.

Wannabe is just another drug-addled euro-trash Occupier.

FTbuN⚛← Mighty ╬ Wannabe →⚛ystOc

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Dec 6, 2016, 7:58:47 AM12/6/16
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Ministry of Vengeance and Vendettas wrote on 12/6/2016 7:08 AM:
> rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote in
> news:eamp3g...@mid.individual.net:
>
>> On 12/05/2016 09:41 AM, Wayne wrote:
>>> On 12/4/2016 11:03 PM, DztLMâš›â† ďĽ­ď˝‰ď˝‡ď˝ ď˝”ď˝™ ╬
That's only your own bias.

Cubans love Fidel Castro. Watch the news video below. It's very
touching. People are crying upon losing their great revolutionary hero:

<http://www.reuters.com/article/us-cuba-castro-idUSKBN13Q3GJ>





Garrett Fulton

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Dec 6, 2016, 10:22:30 AM12/6/16
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(snipped) Wannabe's having a little trouble keeping his head above water here. (snipped)
There's an accurate representation of recent events here. Reminds me of the heavyweight match between Cassius Clay and Oscar Bonavena. I'd never seen a fighter take so much punishment. Wannabe, you really need to take your foolishness someplace where the folks have as tenuous a grasp on reality as yourself. You'll fit in better and feel better. Guaranteed.

Garrett


Wayne

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Dec 6, 2016, 12:43:47 PM12/6/16
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They weren't "buddies" of Batista, but were living there at that time.
When Fidel took power, life in Cuba became unbearable and they left.

Why would ex=pats have anything good to say about that douchebag?

Larry Jaques

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Dec 6, 2016, 6:20:41 PM12/6/16
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I saw a poster on Facebook this morning which said

This is NOT
a Safe Space

I like it, but I don't think Wannabe will.

--
We cannot but pity the boy who has never fired a gun; he is
no more humane, while his education has been sadly neglected.
--Henry David Thoreau

tmewg⚛← Mighty ╬ Wannabe →⚛uvJmQ

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Dec 6, 2016, 7:33:47 PM12/6/16
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Klaus Schadenfreude wrote on 12/6/2016 7:52 AM:
>
>
> Cuba is, of course, a major shipping point for cocaine and other
> drugs.


You are a babbling fool, Klausie. There are no drugs in Cuba.

The two links below were provided by poster 'rbowman' in this thread.



U.S., Cuba join forces against common foe: Drug trade
State Department says officials on island share data
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2005-03-27/news/0503270387_1_drug-traffickers-cuba-drug-trade

Cuba and US find common ground in war on drugs
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-19528416


NsbVg⚛← Mighty ╬ Wannabe →⚛FKgpn

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Dec 6, 2016, 7:38:34 PM12/6/16
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Wayne wrote on 12/6/2016 12:43 PM:
>
>
> They weren't "buddies" of Batista, but were living there at that time.
> When Fidel took power, life in Cuba became unbearable and they left.

Punishing economic sanctions imposed by the US impoverished Cuba and
made life unbearable, you fool.




Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 6, 2016, 7:43:52 PM12/6/16
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On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 19:33:46 -0500, tmewg?? ?????? ? ??????? ??uvJmQ
<hb...@qkZpj.com> wrote:

>Klaus Schadenfreude wrote on 12/6/2016 7:52 AM:
>>
>>
>> Cuba is, of course, a major shipping point for cocaine and other
>> drugs.
>
>
>You are a babbling fool, Klausie. There are no drugs in Cuba.

You're a spastic idiot, Wannabe. Of course there are drugs in Cuba.
Everyone knows this. It's common knowledge.

https://translatingcuba.com/drugs-in-cuba-they-exist-ivan-garcia/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/in-fight-against-drugs-cuba-and-us-on-same-team/2015/01/05/6416305a-90fc-11e4-a66f-0ca5037a597d_story.html?utm_term=.e95dcb8c37ea
Cuba’s reputation — of omnipresent police, strict punishment for drug
crimes and low demand from users — contrasts sharply with its
pre-revolution heyday.

Not "no demand." Low demand. So there are drugs in Cuba.

http://www.narconon.org/drug-information/cuba-drug-addiction.html
The Miami Herald reported that in the late 1990s, a number of major
drug trafficking figures from Colombia, Mexico and Peru were reported
to be holding meetings or living in Cuba. Given the repressive nature
of the society, it is unlikely that these visits went unnoticed or
were unapproved by the Cuban government.

About this time, the Drug Enforcement Agency estimated that two tons
of cocaine per year was flowing through Cuba to other destinations.
But then in 1998, a shipment of more than seven tons of cocaine was
seized in Cartagena, Colombia, just days before it left for Cuba. From
Cuba, the cargo was supposed to be re-shipped to Spain.

And these aren't passing through Cuba "duty-free," either. You know
Castro had his hand out.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/archive/cubaandcocaine.html
Since the triumph of his revolution over 30 years ago, Fidel Castro
has laid claim to a higher morality. Castro says drugs, like gambling
and prostitution, have been stamped out in Cuba. But abroad it now
appears that Castro may have allowed drugs to be used as a weapon in
his war against Yankee imperialism.

Little Havana, Miami: Hard evidence that Cuba was involved in the drug
trade came to light here. In 1987, agents of the Drug Enforcement
Agency were staking out this corner. Two gangs were under
surveillance-the Ceballoses from Colombia and a family of
Cuban-Americans called Ruiz.

EVERY country has drug abuse, prostitution, and gambling. Cuba is not
an exception.

See how EASY it is to prove you wrong?

[chuckle]

Let me know if you need schooling on any other subjects.



Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 6, 2016, 7:45:13 PM12/6/16
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On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 07:58:45 -0500, FTbuN?? ?????? ? ??????? ??ystOc
<eG...@pcTDG.com> wrote:


>Cubans love Fidel Castro.

Some do. Especially if they're forced to.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 6, 2016, 7:46:45 PM12/6/16
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They could trade with other countries, fool.

You just told us Cuba was a paradise. Now you were saying life there
was unbearable.

Make up your mind.

[chuckle]

Wayne

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Dec 6, 2016, 7:49:18 PM12/6/16
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What a maroon....
Unbearable conditions caused the US sanctions.

pOhNJ⚛← Mighty ╬ Wannabe →⚛kZttW

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Dec 6, 2016, 8:48:51 PM12/6/16
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Klaus Schadenfreude wrote on 12/6/2016 7:43 PM:
>
> EVERY country has drug abuse, prostitution, and gambling. Cuba is not
> an exception.

Cuba has no drug abuse, prostitution, and gambling. Cuba is an exception
because Cuba executes people for those crimes.

If there are any drug smugglers in Cuba, they must be Colombians and
American Cubans working for CIA to help fund CIA black ops. Maybe they
are selling drugs to the American prison guards in your notorious
Guantanamo Bay torture camp (GTMO)


rbowman

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Dec 6, 2016, 10:19:25 PM12/6/16
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It would appear millions of people love Hillary Clinton. There's no
accounting for taste. Those same people hate Trump as much as some
Cubans hated Castro.

Ministry of Vengeance and Vendettas

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=?UTF-8?B?RlRidU7impvihpAg77yt772J772H772I772U772ZIOKVrCDvvLfvvYHvvY4=?= =?
UTF-8?B?772O772B772C772FIOKGkuKam3lzdE9j?= <eG...@pcTDG.com> wrote in
news:8Cy1A.70200$nG2....@fx21.iad:

> Ministry of Vengeance and Vendettas wrote on 12/6/2016 7:08 AM:
>> rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote in
>> news:eamp3g...@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> On 12/05/2016 09:41 AM, Wayne wrote:
>>>> On 12/4/2016 11:03 PM, DztLM⚛← Mi�½
> �hty ╬
>>>> Wannabe �†
Murdering thugs are always OBJECTIVE scumbags.

Dickheads who idolize them should be slaughtered out of hand. This means
you.

dYtyN⚛← Mighty ╬ Wannabe →⚛PutFP

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PaxPerPoten

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Dec 7, 2016, 1:07:10 AM12/7/16
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On 12/6/2016 6:58 AM, FTbuN⚛← Mighty ╬ Wannabe →⚛ystOc wrote:
>
> Cubans love Fidel Castro. Watch the news video below. It's very
> touching. People are crying upon losing their great revolutionary hero:
>
> <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-cuba-castro-idUSKBN13Q3GJ>

They are crying because he had taken everything they had.
their wealth, land and freedom.

PaxPerPoten

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Dec 7, 2016, 1:08:36 AM12/7/16
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Lots of people admired John Dillinger too..But he was still a Bank Robber.

PaxPerPoten

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Dec 7, 2016, 1:20:32 AM12/7/16
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I still think Wannabe belongs in Jonathon Balls Sock Puppet Drawer.
They are both babbling morons.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 7, 2016, 6:00:26 AM12/7/16
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On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 20:48:49 -0500, pOhNJ?? ?????? ? ??????? ??kZttW
<sA...@GRnAL.com> wrote:

>Klaus Schadenfreude wrote on 12/6/2016 7:43 PM:
>>
>> EVERY country has drug abuse, prostitution, and gambling. Cuba is not
>> an exception.
>
>Cuba has no drug abuse, prostitution, and gambling.

It's REALLY cool that you just reply by stamping your feet and
ignoring evidence.

You can't refute it. But then, you people always DID have a serious
problem with accepting reality.

[chuckle]

There is drug abuse, prostitution, and gambling in Cuba. Cold hard
socialist facts.

Deal with it.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 7, 2016, 6:00:57 AM12/7/16
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On Wed, 7 Dec 2016 00:13:38 -0500, dYtyN?? ?????? ? ??????? ??PutFP
<BI...@gQibW.com> wrote:

>Ministry of Vengeance and Vendettas wrote on 12/6/2016 11:43 PM:
>>
>>
>>
>> Murdering thugs are always OBJECTIVE scumbags.
>
>That's only your own bias.
>
>Cubans love Fidel Castro.

Then why do they want to leave? You said the country is unbearable.

Ministry of Vengeance and Vendettas

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UTF-8?B?772O772B772C772FIOKGkuKam1B1dEZQ?= <BI...@gQibW.com> wrote in
news:4UM1A.193650$vF2.1...@fx43.iad:
And the left wonders why it is so despised by normal people.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 7, 2016, 6:50:00 AM12/7/16
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On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 19:00:02 -0500, SiPNM?? ?????? ? ??????? ??XtUdd
<bl...@Mrlof.com> wrote:

>Cuba is well known for exporting medical equipment and doctors.
>
>Cuban medical internationalism
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_medical_internationalism>

Spanish doctor examines Castro, diagnosis undisclosed
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/12/24/castro.health/index.html?_s=PM

I thought Cuban medicine was so wonderful. Yet he had to import a REAL
doctor from Europe.

And of course, Castro gets paid. From your own source:

Mission Barrio Adentro
Cuba's largest and most extensive medical aid effort is with
Venezuela. Under this bilateral effort, also known as the "oil for
doctors" program, Cuba provides Venezuela with 31,000 Cuban doctors
and dentists and provides training for 40,000 Venezuelan medical
personnel. In exchange, Venezuela provides Cuba with 100,000 barrels
of oil per day. Based on February 2010 prices, the oil is worth $7.5
million per day, or nearly $3 billion per year.

and

According to a 2007 paper published in The Lancet medical journal,
"growing numbers of Cuban doctors sent overseas to work are defecting
to the USA", some via Colombia, where they have sought temporary
asylum. In February 2007, at least 38 doctors were requesting asylum
in the U.S. embassy in Bogotá after asylum was denied by the Colombian
government. Cuban doctors working abroad are reported to be monitored
by "minders" and subject to curfew.

Face it. Cuba is just another failing socialist shit hole held
together by violence and torture.

"Laugh laugh laugh laugh."
-Lee Harrison 1957-2012, RIP

cl...@snyder.on.ca

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Dec 7, 2016, 8:12:32 AM12/7/16
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On Wed, 7 Dec 2016 00:13:38 -0500, dYtyN?? ?????? ? ??????? ??PutFP
<BI...@gQibW.com> wrote:

They love Castro for the change he brought to Cuba by kicking the
American Gangsters out. They (the common cuban) have it better than
it was pre-revolution, for sure - but not NEARLY as good as they could
have had it if Castro had not been a Dick Tater and a hardline
communist. With proper government reform, Cuba has the possibility of
being a very affluent country - it could be the "jewel of the
Carribean"

Michael A. Terrell

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Dec 7, 2016, 8:44:31 AM12/7/16
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PaxPerPoten wrote:
> On 12/6/2016 9:19 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On 12/06/2016 05:45 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>> On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 07:58:45 -0500, FTbuN?? ?????? ? ??????? ??ystOc
>>> <eG...@pcTDG.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Cubans love Fidel Castro.
>>>
>>> Some do. Especially if they're forced to.
>>>
>>
>> It would appear millions of people love Hillary Clinton. There's no
>> accounting for taste. Those same people hate Trump as much as some
>> Cubans hated Castro.
>
> Lots of people admired John Dillinger too..But he was still a Bank Robber.


Did you hear that the house where the FBI shot it out with Ma Barker
and her spawn was moved to a new site? A lot of people want to tour it.

<http://www.ocala.com/news/20160907/ma-barker-home-to-move-to-carney-island-open-as-museum>

<http://www.wftv.com/news/local/infamous-ma-barker-house-floats-on-lake-weir-to-new-home/461118127>


--
Never piss off an Engineer!

They don't get mad.

They don't get even.

They go for over unity! ;-)

PaxPerPoten

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Dec 7, 2016, 9:44:46 PM12/7/16
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When the Mob ran Cuba under Batista, there was very little street crime
as the Mob did not allow its customers to be fleeced or damaged by local
hoodlums. It was bad for business. The US Navy's presence and edicts
kept the Mob from helping Batista as the US Government wanted him gone.
Figured Castro would be easier to deal with. Just another typical fuck
up that started with Truman implanted Ambassadors and Bureaucrats that
Eisenhower failed to weed out while cleaning up the Democrats mess in N
Korea, Vietnam, China and trying to keep run-amok Israel in hand. Seems
like anytime the Democrats leave office //they also leave our foreign
policy Damned near irreparable in many areas of the planet.

Martin Eastburn

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Dec 7, 2016, 10:23:37 PM12/7/16
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And stealing the property of the Sugar industry and ....... Never paid
for in one way or another.

Martin

On 12/7/2016 7:12 AM, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
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