Why has Frank Provasek Been Suspended From eBay So Many Times?
Mr. Mystery
admission, been suspended and had his auctions terminated multiple times
by eBay .
He goes under the name FRANKCOINS.
Provasek blames numerous "vindictive" individuals for his repeated and
sometimes lengthy suspensions from eBay but when asked to provide proof
of that he can not do so.
Jim Higgins
> nothing
Why not use a real name and a real email address instead of posting from
under a damp, flat rock?
--
Civis Romanus Sum
Quigly P. Snodgrass
"Jim Higgins" <gordi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:F76dnUprceeI26DX...@posted.eaglecomputertechnology...
> Mr. Mystery wrote:
>> nothing
>
> Why not use a real name and a real email address instead of posting
> from under a damp, flat rock?
Fools' names and fools' faces often appear in public places!
Which, of course, explains why you are always here and Provasek has a
picture of his ugly pan all over the internet!
Rufus T. Firefly
"Quigly P. Snodgrass" <inv...@anonymous.invalid> wrote in message
news:h1jh3r$mam$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Indeed - if my dog had a face like that, I'd shave his ass and train him
to walk backwards!
Provasek isn't currently offering any Jack Benny DVDs, GooGone or other
crap on eBay.
I wonder if he was suspended again?
Haywood Jablowme
"Jim Higgins" <gordi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:F76dnUprceeI26DX...@posted.eaglecomputertechnology...
>> nothing
>
> Why not use a real name and a real email address instead of posting
> from under a damp, flat rock?
If Mr. Mystery wrote "nothing", what are you responding to?
Are the voices telling you to go try to be a big man on Usenet again?
Is that what's troubling you, bunky?
Well cheer up!
Somewhere the sun is shining!
Modern pharmaceuticals can help you (maybe)!
If not, go back to drinking yourself into a stupor every night!
coinsusa
wrote:
> "Jim Higgins" <gordian...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:F76dnUprceeI26DX...@posted.eaglecomputertechnology...
>
> > Mr. Mystery wrote:
>
> > Why not use a real name and a real email address instead of posting
> > from under a damp, flat rock?
>
Doesn't take a genius to see what is going on..
Still he adds
Nothing of substance
Nothing positive
Nothing constructive
a real nowhere man
Mike Hunt
"Mr. Mystery" <inv...@anonymous.invalid> wrote in message
news:h1jegi$8el$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Yes, why doesn't Frank Provasek give a BELIEVABLE explanation for his
many suspensions?
His wild fantasies about "vindictive" individuals and a vast conspiracy
to destroy his business are both laughable and pathetic.
His complaints can be tracked on Google Groups going back almost a
decade.
Every time something happens to Provasek, he finds a new straw dog to
blame and threaten.
Millions of people do business on eBay without problems yet Provasek has
been repeatedly suspended and had his auctions cancelled.
What does that tell you?
PC
"Mike Hunt" <mi...@hunt.invalid> wrote in message
news:qbr%l.1551$W_2....@newsfe02.iad...
>
> Millions of people do business on eBay without problems yet Provasek has
> been repeatedly suspended and had his auctions cancelled.
> What does that tell you?
That some little sh*t from this NG is fraudently reporting his auctions en
masse and eBay is too stupid to discern false reports from real ones.
Mr. Jaggers
My recent experience is that they fail to take any action at all on real
ones.
James the Snitch
Mr. Jaggers
I'd be pleased if they took any action at all on the real ones. I just
watched an auction close at four figures for an obviously fake coin about
which the seller included an authenticity disclaimer in his listing,
unequivocally against eBay's rules. Sad.
James the Snitch
coinsusa
> "Mr. Mystery" <inva...@anonymous.invalid> wrote in message
> What does that tell you?
It tells me that BOB is harrassing him.
Like I don't know who writes messages with phoney names here.
Is there some reason you are ashamed of what you say that you have
to
obscure your identity?
Still nothing of substance
Nothing positive
No supporting facts.
nothing constructive.
and especially nothing of any value to say.
Bob F.
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
news:h1lg4...@enews2.newsguy.com...
Well obviously they haven't been reported by a member of this NG
otherwise they would have been instantly removed and the seller
suspended.
Such is the power of RCC!
Mr. Jaggers
> "Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
> news:h1lg4...@enews2.newsguy.com...
>> PC wrote:
>>> "Mike Hunt" <mi...@hunt.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:qbr%l.1551$W_2....@newsfe02.iad...
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Millions of people do business on eBay without problems yet
>>>> Provasek has been repeatedly suspended and had his auctions
>>>> cancelled. What does that tell you?
>>>
>>> That some little sh*t from this NG is fraudently reporting his
>>> auctions en masse and eBay is too stupid to discern false reports
>>> from real ones.
>>
>> I'd be pleased if they took any action at all on the real ones. I
>> just watched an auction close at four figures for an obviously fake
>> coin about which the seller included an authenticity disclaimer in
>> his listing, unequivocally against eBay's rules. Sad.
>
> Well obviously they haven't been reported by a member of this NG
Yes, they have. An auction for an identical fake, with the same
authenticity disclaimer, is now in progress, and has been reported as
well...
James the Stoolie
Bob F.
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
Well then, according to PC and Francine, eBay will instantaneously
remove the auction and suspend the malefactor!
PC
"Bob F." <ad...@hardyboys.invalid> wrote in message
news:h1ljug$u4t$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
> Well then, according to PC and Francine, eBay will instantaneously remove
> the auction and suspend the malefactor!
I never made any such claim. The fact that you feel the need to hyperbolize
is very telling.
Mr. Jaggers
Here's the response I got from eBay:
"Dear eBay Member,
Thank you for writing eBay in regard to a suspicious coin listing.
Because eBay does not employ or train its Trust & Safety Customer
Support Representatives to be experts in the area of coins and currency,
we rely on expert opinions from knowledgeable people as well as reliable
third party organizations.
Your report will be reviewed by a group of members that comprise a
community watch group for coin auctions. They then confer amongst
themselves and either agree or disagree that the listings are
problematic. If it is agreed that a listing(s) is fraudulent or
improperly described, the listing(s) is then forwarded to eBay Trust and
Safety for removal.
We rely on our members to submit reports of potentially counterfeit
coins and other listings that may violate the eBay Selling Coins policy.
If you happen to see any listings you may feel violate our Coins and
Currency policies, please feel free to report them via the following
link:
Please note that ONLY Coins and Currency violations should be reported
here. Other types of violations sent here will be delayed as they are
redirected to the appropriate department.
Please see the following page for eBay's policies regarding the sale of
coins:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/selling-coins.html
Again, thank you for your report. We appreciate your help in keeping
eBay a safe and reputable forum to conduct business.
Sincerely,
Heidi
eBay Customer Support"
It appears that a complaint has to go through several steps, each one
involving a different sub-bureaucracy. By the time it works its way through
all that, I'm afraid the auction will have closed, the seller received his
payment, with the happy new owner eagerly awaiting his treasure.
Here is eBay's policy regarding authenticity disclaimers:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/authenticity-disclaimers.html
James
Jerry Dennis
wrote:
> Here's the response I got from eBay:
>
> "Dear eBay Member,
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Heidi
>
> eBay Customer Support"
>
> It appears that a complaint has to go through several steps, each one
> involving a different sub-bureaucracy. By the time it works its way through
> all that, I'm afraid the auction will have closed, the seller received his
> payment, with the happy new owner eagerly awaiting his treasure.
>
> Here is eBay's policy regarding authenticity disclaimers:
>
> http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/authenticity-disclaimers.html
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sorry for cutting out the garbage you received from ebay, James.
Sounds like something Queen Nancy would spew, "We're not experts so
we'll forward it to experts who will review it and return it to us
with their recommendations so we can ignore it so it will go away on
its own."
Jerry
Gotta get the political rant in there somehow. :-)
Mr. Jaggers
No problem with the rant, but you need to expand it from just Nancy to the
entire stable of politicians, both sides of the aisle, all levels bottom to
top. I finally had to turn my BS detector completely off, as it's been
sounding the alarm continuously, even at its tightest setting. Even turned
off, unplugged, and stored in a lead box it still lets out a peep almost
every day.
My Sainted Father-in-law's favorite response to "How cold is it?" : "It's
colder than a politician's handshake."
James the Gladhandler
Bob F.
news:10862119-9e17-4b94...@e20g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
Sorry for cutting out the garbage you received from ebay, James.
Who the fuck is Queen Nancy and what does she have to do with Frank
Provasek's multiple eBay suspensions?
coinsusa
> "Jerry Dennis" <JDen1...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:10862119-9e17-4b94...@e20g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
> Sorry for cutting out the garbage you received from ebay, James.
> Sounds like something Queen Nancy would spew, "...
>
> Who the fuck is Queen Nancy
That would be her majesty the queen Nancy Pelosi
and what does she have to do with Frank
> Provasek's multiple eBay suspensions?
The better question is what did you have to do with his suspensions?
Please try to be constructive in your answers with supporting facts.
Feel free to leave off the name calling and snotty remarks. Not being
jdgemental would be nice as well.
Have a good day.
Wayne
I wish you all would be frank with me.
technomaNge
Did you say that in Earnest?
technomaNge
--
James E. Morrow
inv...@anonymous.invalid says...
Pardner I here tell that in Texas they hang horse thieves and coin
dealers. We can but hope the other 49 states will show similar good
judgement.
--
James E. Morrow
Email to: jamese...@email.com
oly
> Wayne wrote:
> > Mr. Jaggers wrote:
> >> PC wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Two maggots were fighting in dead Ernest.
oly
technomaNge
> Two maggots were fighting in dead Ernest.
about who's the next turn is.
One of them said
"You eat the head,
I'll go where the fun is.
technomaNge
--
Ogden Nash has nothing to fear from me.
Your name
@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> "Quigly P. Snodgrass" <inv...@anonymous.invalid> wrote in message
> news:h1jh3r$mam$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Jim Higgins" <gordi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:F76dnUprceeI26DX...@posted.eaglecomputertechnology...
>>> Mr. Mystery wrote:
>>>> nothing
>>>
>>> Why not use a real name and a real email address instead of posting
>>> from under a damp, flat rock?
>>
>> Fools' names and fools' faces often appear in public places!
>> Which, of course, explains why you are always here and Provasek has a
>> picture of his ugly pan all over the internet!
>
> Indeed - if my dog had a face like that, I'd shave his ass and train him
> to walk backwards!
Would you then velcro the poor creatures tail to his head ?
technomaNge
> ezra pound and ts eliot were fighting in the captain's tower.
both were getting wordier by the hour,
technomaNge
--
PeterD
Frankly I don't give a damn.
BrotherBart
Frank lit a match
To find his tank
Now they call him
Skinless Frank
- Burma Shave
oly
> On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:30:36 -0400, Wayne <WayneS...@unick.org> wrote:
> >Mr. Jaggers wrote:
> >> PC wrote:
> >>>news:qbr%l.1551$W_2....@newsfe02.iad...
> >>>> Millions of people do business on eBay without problems yet Provasek
> >>>> has been repeatedly suspended and had his auctions cancelled.
> >>>> What does that tell you?
> >>> That some little sh*t from this NG is fraudently reporting his
> >>> auctions en masse and eBay is too stupid to discern false reports
> >>> from real ones.
>
> >> My recent experience is that they fail to take any action at all on real
> >> ones.
>
> >> James the Snitch
>
> >I wish you all would be frank with me.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
I used to work with a guy named Fred Scarlett. He had an older
brother named Frank Lee (this is the truth).
oly
Frank Galikanokus
>
> The buying public should be aware that Frank Provasek has, by his own
> admission, been suspended and had his auctions terminated multiple times
> by eBay .
> He goes under the name FRANKCOINS.
> Provasek blames numerous "vindictive" individuals for his repeated and
> sometimes lengthy suspensions from eBay but when asked to provide proof
> of that he can not do so.
Please do not feed the troll.
JAM
Bob F.
"Frank Galikanokus" <FrankGal...@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:4A414D8B...@nospam.net...
Are you yet another of Frank Provasek's sockpuppets?
What does JAM stand for - Just A Moron?
Ignoramus17181
Frank Provasek, posting from the same place as the original poster.
Could it possibly be that your allegations are untrue?
i
Bob F.
news:iYqdnfiJOva1ydzX...@giganews.com...
> Could it possibly be that your allegations are untrue?
I make no allegations about Frank Provasek, I merely report what is
already public knowledge.
Frank Provasek has posted many times that he has been suspended from
eBay and had his auctions cancelled.
Even an ignoramus like you can search Google Groups to find his
admissions.
Could it possibly be that you are yet another of Frank Provasek's
sockpuppets?
PeterD
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.17181.invalid> wrote:
>Hm, you seem to be waging a "one man, many aliases" campaign about
>Frank Provasek, posting from the same place as the original poster.
>
>Could it possibly be that your allegations are untrue?
>
>i
>
Naw, he just had no idea who he really is... A case of confused
identity, probably thinks that grits are somethign one eats.
Jerry Dennis
>
> - Show quoted text -
Warning - Warning - Warning --- Political Rant -- Avoid At All Costs
I have to agree completely. It seems all politicians do whatever they
can to avoid doing anything other than getting themselves reelected.
My reference to the (hopefully "former") Speaker of the House is
because she blatantly seems to think that the entire House is her
empire and she alone determines what deserves discussion,
consideration, etc. I guess the thing that bothers me about her is
that she was elected by the good folks of the San Francisco area, yet
she's making decisions that affect the entire populace. Remember, it
was she (and part of her ilk) that forced the vote on the stimulus
package on a late Friday afternoon without allowing anyone to read it
first. It's scary and sobering that she's next in succession, after
the VP, to be President. If anyone cares, Hillary is #5 after the
President Pro-Tem.
Jerry
People need to study Civics again.
Mr. Jaggers
Pelosi was elected to the U.S. House of Representatives out of the SF
Congressional District, but likewise was former Speaker Hastert elected out
of his district in Illinois. Both were elevated to their high positions by
dint of being members of the majority party. The House indeed is the de
facto empire of the Speaker, a protocol that was set up long before you and
I were born. Our American system confers this level of national power, like
it or not, which is a lesson of the Civics of which you speak. Just because
the political party of your preference is out of power is not sufficient
reason to critique the system. Name me a Speaker of the House who has not
abused his power, at least in the eyes of the party out of power. I
recommend that people read U.S. history and the Constitution much more and
listen to media talkers much less. Primary documents will teach far more
than the packaged-and-marketed opinions we get from corporate "news"
sources.
As far as Presidential succession is concerned, that, too, is established by
the U.S. Constitution as amended. Don't like it? Either lump it or start
your own grassroots movement to get it changed. Quite frankly, the thought
of either Sarah Palin or Joe Biden ascending to the Presidency keeps me
awake at night, which contributes in no small part to the orneriness that I
often manifest in these pages.
James the Pundit
oly
>
> - Show quoted text -
The actual succession to the Presidency, after the Vice President, is
established by law, not the Constitution. The last such act was
passed by Congress and signed by the Presdient in 1947. Of course,
there has been a subsequent amendment which allows the Vice Presidency
to be filled in a more timely manner the event of a vacancy.
I have to side with Jerry here - my example is Nancy Pelosi's demand
(soon after bcoming Speaker) that she be given an "Air Force 3", a jet
equivalent to at least that available to the Vice President at all
times. What an egotistical bunt.
oly
PC
I have to agree completely. It seems all politicians do whatever they
can to avoid doing anything other than getting themselves reelected.
My reference to the (hopefully "former") Speaker of the House is
because she blatantly seems to think that the entire House is her
empire and she alone determines what deserves discussion,
consideration, etc.
>>>
God I just LOVE rhetorical bullshit backed by not one example or even a
faint a hint of facts.
Read what yo wrote, sheesh. You are being brainwashed.
Bob F.
"PC" <P...@minneapolis.mn.us> wrote in message
news:h1t622$inu$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Unlike you, at least he has a brain.
Mr. Jaggers
If that's your main beef with Pelosi, I'd say you should thank your lucky
stars that you live in 21st century America. Imagine your life under, say,
Louis XIV. There's ego, and then there's ego.
James the Thankful
PC
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
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>>
>> I have to side with Jerry here - my example is Nancy Pelosi's demand
>> (soon after bcoming Speaker) that she be given an "Air Force 3", a jet
>> equivalent to at least that available to the Vice President at all
>> times. What an egotistical bunt.
>
> If that's your main beef with Pelosi, I'd say you should thank your lucky
> stars that you live in 21st century America. Imagine your life under,
> say, Louis XIV. There's ego, and then there's ego.
>
No to mention that the story is compeltely false. Since when did oly rely
on facts, though?
Mr. Jaggers
Here's what the state-owned-and-run, drive-by, extreme left internet media
have to say about this issue:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/pelosi/jet.asp
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/nancypelosi/a/pelosi_jet.htm
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_nancy_pelosi_order_up_a_200-seat.html
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/p/pelosi-plane.htm
James the Dittohead
oly
Right. A false story, right. Meglomaniacs like Queen Nancy are very
unsure of themselves, they are so outside the normal life of their
country. That's a big reason why they surround themselves with
minions willing to fall on their swords whenever the "Supreme Leader"
visibly messes up. Queen Nancy crossed the line of sanity, got caught
out, and one of her minions fell on his sword. False story, Right.
I'm sure that you make a great sheeple, P.C.
oly
Jerry Dennis
>
> - Show quoted text -
James, it's too bad we didn't live near each other. We'd be the two
crotchety old guys on the porch willing to solve the world's problems
if only the world was smart enough to ask us. :-)
Jerry
"Damn kids think they got it tough? They don't know what tough is?
Remember when Obama spent all that money in '09?" -- Me in 2052
(I'll be 100 years old)
Jerry Dennis
> "Jerry Dennis" <JDen1...@aol.com> wrote in message
Okay, PC. Here's my beef.
#1 - Nancy Pelosi is an elected offical to represent the good people
of San Francisco's district. Can we agree on that?
#2 - Her fellow representatives elected her to mediate/moderate
discussions within the House. Can we agree on that, too?
#3 - She shut down any and all attempts by other representatives
(including some of her own party) NOT to vote on Obama's stimulus
package last February since it would have taken weeks to read through
over 1,100 pages of bureaucracy. She and the other extremes on the
left forced the vote which, in turn, put this economy in worse shape
than it would have been in had the government let it run its course.
This act of hers shows a mini-monarchy, she attempting to direct 435
votes to go her way.
Jerry
I love a lively debate without flames and other ill-will.
Mr. Jaggers
What we really need is for Amistad to be there with us. Then we could do a
respectable "Three Amigos" routine!
James
Jerry Dennis
>
> - Show quoted text -
Actually, succession is established by the 25th Amendment. As I was
taught in high school, succession, in a nutshell, is:
Vice-President
Speaker of the House
President Pro-Tem of the Senate
Cabinet members in the order of their establishment.
Check out the link below. If anything happens to the President and
succession becomes necessary, I am VERY worried. Still, I sincerely
believe America will survive; not because of government, but in spite
of government.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A01010132.html
Jerry
I shoulda been a Constitional scholar.
Maybe I'll just take a morning constitution, instead. :-)
PC
*snipped reasonable points*
#3 - She shut down any and all attempts by other representatives
Proof?
<<
(including some of her own party) NOT to vote on Obama's stimulus
package last February since it would have taken weeks to read through
over 1,100 pages of bureaucracy.
>>>
I remember that far away time. The stock market was REALLY REALLY low.
There was a sense that the sky was falling. I am sure there was no outside
pressure to "get something done". Clearly this was Nancy Pelosi abusing her
power in order to ruin this country because that is what she is dedicated to
doing.
<<<
She and the other extremes on the
left forced the vote which
>>>
"Forced"? Nothing could have been done? This is all about Nancy Pelosi's
evil plot to destory America?
>>>
, in turn, put this economy in worse shape than it would have been in had
the government let it run its course.
>>>
Yes the strategy of letting things run their course worked so well for
Herbert Hoover, after all.
>>>
This act of hers shows a mini-monarchy, she attempting to direct 435
votes to go her way.
<<<
Methinks someone needs to stop listening to Rush Limbaugh/Sean Hannity.
Mr. Jaggers
> Methinks someone needs to stop listening to Rush Limbaugh/Sean
> Hannity.
I think everyone needs to stop listening to Limbaugh and Hannity. They are
the bent coins in the vending machine of freedom (how's that for getting
back on topic?).
James the Moneychanger
Mr. Jaggers
> On Jun 24, 8:26 am, "PC" <P...@minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:
>> "Jerry Dennis" <JDen1...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:f97cb71d-e398-4c2c...@n19g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> I have to agree completely. It seems all politicians do whatever they
>> can to avoid doing anything other than getting themselves reelected.
>> My reference to the (hopefully "former") Speaker of the House is
>> because she blatantly seems to think that the entire House is her
>> empire and she alone determines what deserves discussion,
>> consideration, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> God I just LOVE rhetorical bullshit backed by not one example or
>> even a faint a hint of facts.
>>
>> Read what yo wrote, sheesh. You are being brainwashed.
>
> Okay, PC. Here's my beef.
>
> #1 - Nancy Pelosi is an elected offical to represent the good people
> of San Francisco's district. Can we agree on that?
Speaking on my own behalf, not PC's, I agree (because Jerry D. recently said
it).
> #2 - Her fellow representatives elected her to mediate/moderate
> discussions within the House. Can we agree on that, too?
Again, speaking only for myself, I agree (how could I not - it's the
American way, and besides, I, James, recently said it)
> #3 - She shut down any and all attempts by other representatives
> (including some of her own party) NOT to vote on Obama's stimulus
> package last February since it would have taken weeks to read through
> over 1,100 pages of bureaucracy. She and the other extremes on the
> left
Here's where we part company. As flawed as are the human beings who
currently inhabit Washington (and the 50 state governments to boot), and as
much as I, too, have used the broadbrush to indict politicians of every
stripe, in my opinion there is not a single one who deserves the label of
"extreme left." Use of this term serves only to establish an "us-and-them"
mentality, and is a favorite tool of rightwing radio talkers, used to
validate the fears and insecurities of their listeners and make them feel
part of a group, while they themselves laugh all the way to the bank. Tell
me how to more effectively tear this country apart than to plant the idea in
the minds of tens of millions of your and my fellow citizens that
approximately half our population (read "libruls") is pond scum and totally
undeserving of even the time of day. This sounds dangerously like the
advocacy of one-party rule to me.
I've studied history, enough to have met some of the more notorious "extreme
left" characters - Robespierre immediately comes to mind, as does L�nine.
These were the kind of guys I don't want to see in our governments, and
thank goodness, I don't see them, not even in Pelosi, Kennedy, Obama, Reid,
Gore, Kerry, and any other Democrat you choose to name combined.
James the Revolutionary
PC
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
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>
> I've studied history, enough to have met some of the more notorious
> "extreme left" characters - Robespierre immediately comes to mind, as does
> L�nine.
Good beer! Oh wait... that is Leinenkugel's. Never mind.
mazorj
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
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> Jerry Dennis wrote:
...
Noting that we only have one member of the Socialist Party in Congress and
no certified commies or anarchists, I'll agree with the above and add
another objection.
First, the far right has drastically redefined the political landscape. All
terminology has been shifted in their direction. Anyone who is a solid,
middle-of-the-camp liberal (a 75th percentile on the scale - or 25th,
depending on which direction you take it) is now an "extreme leftist
liberal." Anyone in the middle of the road (50th percentile and therefore
not a card-carrying "real conservative) is "a liberal". An ordinary,
non-extreme liberal, but nevertheless a liberal and therefore an enemy of
the state. God knows what the true far left (socialists, commies,
anarchists, etc.) are supposed to be called now.
Even Republicans are not immune to this 1984-ish New Speak. Moderate
Republicans have gone the way of the passenger pigeon, driven out of office
and power by howling neocon mobs. Even solidly middle-of-the-right
Republicans are as endangered as snail darters unless they frequently and
loudly profess their loyalty to the far-right's agenda.
As someone wisely observed, whoever is allowed to frame the terms of the
debate usually wins the debate. Or at the least (as in "baby-killers"
instead of "pro-choice") starts with the playing field tilted steeply in
their favor.
Second, the PATRIOT Act and many other Republican bills were rammed through
under the same circumstances *and* with the additional political abuse of
the bullying tactics described in the previous paragraph. Ideally we all
should want every bill to receive proper consideration, but too often "we
need time to review and debate this" is code for "we're gonna stall this
thing until the cows come home and there's another election cycle."
Sometimes doing nothing is better than doing anything, but OTOH there are
times when doing something is essential and the perfect becomes the enemy of
the good.
I know, Democrats do the same thing, but 1.) Now it's the Republicans,
thumping their truncheons and baseball bats, who are standing in the doorway
to change (you youngsters will have to google southern state governors and
1950s-1960s racial integration to get that reference), and 2.) What goes
around comes around and paybacks are hell, both ways.
> I've studied history, enough to have met some of the more notorious
> "extreme left" characters - Robespierre immediately comes to mind, as does
> L�nine. These were the kind of guys I don't want to see in our
> governments, and thank goodness, I don't see them, not even in Pelosi,
> Kennedy, Obama, Reid, Gore, Kerry, and any other Democrat you choose to
> name combined.
Has anyone ever done a coin with Robespierre on it? (How's that for a segue
back to topic?)
> James the Revolutionary
- mazorj the Interlocutor
Bruce Remick
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
news:h1vvn...@enews2.newsguy.com...
Left or right. Rep, Dem, or otherwise, I do tend to believe that those
elected to national office are mostly dedicated to individual concerns--
getting re-elected, diverting as much of the national budget as possible to
their particular state, and racking up points toward building influence on
the Hill. I'm convinced that my concerns as a Virginian matter little to a
senator from Iowa or Maine.
Trying to get 430-some-odd individuals to agree on anything of
importance has become near impossible. An elected official will never
comment on the merits of a specific bill or proposal without first learning
which party proposed it. He or she apparently is regularly schooled at some
secret institution on how to cleverly deflect a controversial question,
usually beginning a party-line answer with "Look,...."
One more thing that will be left for our grandchildren to address.
Mr. Jaggers
You would then enjoy reading David Neiwert's recent book The
Eliminationists. He points out that there are indeed far-right elements
inside the U.S. that historically have been mostly isolated and invisible
except in times of specific incident (Timothy McVeigh, for example), but
whose views are now made visible and legitimized by rightwing talkers who
have seen how their salaries balloon when they propagate those ideas to a
frustrated, validation-seeking, down-on-their-luck audience. Republican
candidates now sense that they cannot get elected unless they offer at least
a nod to those ideas. The recent Presidential campaign season serves as
proof of that. John McCain, whom I have been following for decades, and who
was, in my view, the most level-headed one of the bunch, just had to
badmouth the funding of a new Zeiss projector for the Adler Planetarium in
Chicago, in an attempt to satisfy the hunger for red meat on the part of
some of the ignorant followers. I remain convinced that the choice of Sarah
Palin as his VP candidate was not his idea, but something foisted upon him
by unseen agencies. I've not yet - and I emphasize yet - come to a similar
conclusion about Biden as Obama's running mate, but it could just as easily
be the case there. Considering the billions of dollars in kickback money
that lurks under all political gaming tables, is it any wonder that our
system is so jacked over?
> As someone wisely observed, whoever is allowed to frame the terms of
> the debate usually wins the debate. Or at the least (as in
> "baby-killers" instead of "pro-choice") starts with the playing field
> tilted steeply in their favor.
One word: semantics.
> Second, the PATRIOT Act and many other Republican bills were rammed
> through under the same circumstances *and* with the additional
> political abuse of the bullying tactics described in the previous
> paragraph. Ideally we all should want every bill to receive proper
> consideration, but too often "we need time to review and debate this"
> is code for "we're gonna stall this thing until the cows come home
> and there's another election cycle." Sometimes doing nothing is
> better than doing anything, but OTOH there are times when doing
> something is essential and the perfect becomes the enemy of the good.
"These are not the droids you're looking for." - Obi-Wan Kenobi
"The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded." - Obi-Wan Kenobi
> I know, Democrats do the same thing, but 1.) Now it's the Republicans,
> thumping their truncheons and baseball bats, who are standing in the
> doorway to change (you youngsters will have to google southern state
> governors and 1950s-1960s racial integration to get that reference),
> and 2.) What goes around comes around and paybacks are hell, both
> ways.
>> I've studied history, enough to have met some of the more notorious
>> "extreme left" characters - Robespierre immediately comes to mind,
>> as does L�nine. These were the kind of guys I don't want to see in
>> our governments, and thank goodness, I don't see them, not even in
>> Pelosi, Kennedy, Obama, Reid, Gore, Kerry, and any other Democrat
>> you choose to name combined.
>
> Has anyone ever done a coin with Robespierre on it? (How's that for
> a segue back to topic?)
If there ever had been any, I suspect Nap Premier saw to it that they were
all melted and recoined into pieces with his own mug on them.
James the Rain of Terror
Mr. Jaggers
You didn't just describe politics there, you described human nature.
> Trying to get 430-some-odd individuals to agree on anything of
> importance has become near impossible. An elected official will never
> comment on the merits of a specific bill or proposal without first
> learning which party proposed it. He or she apparently is regularly
> schooled at some secret institution on how to cleverly deflect a
> controversial question, usually beginning a party-line answer with
> "Look,...."
All the more reason that knowing how laws are made belongs on the list of
the top three things that we should never see, along with how restaurant
food is prepared and how hot dogs are manufactured. Unfortunately, the
media explosion now lets us see it to the point of nausea.
> One more thing that will be left for our grandchildren to address.
But, Bruce, wasn't it left to us by our own grandparents, and their
grandparents before them, etc. etc.?
James the Redundant
Bruce Remick
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
Why then do we continue to believe we are electing representatives who
somehow will rise above human nature and work (although they always prefer
saying "fight") for the good of our country? We've already got enough
individual state officials who ostensibly work for the good of each state.
You're probably right. Human nature.
>
>> Trying to get 430-some-odd individuals to agree on anything of
>> importance has become near impossible. An elected official will never
>> comment on the merits of a specific bill or proposal without first
>> learning which party proposed it. He or she apparently is regularly
>> schooled at some secret institution on how to cleverly deflect a
>> controversial question, usually beginning a party-line answer with
>> "Look,...."
>
> All the more reason that knowing how laws are made belongs on the list of
> the top three things that we should never see, along with how restaurant
> food is prepared and how hot dogs are manufactured. Unfortunately, the
> media explosion now lets us see it to the point of nausea.
>
>> One more thing that will be left for our grandchildren to address.
>
> But, Bruce, wasn't it left to us by our own grandparents, and their
> grandparents before them, etc. etc.?
Yup. But there is nothing in writing that says each subsequent generation
HAS to address these issues. Each can simply repeat this same standard
lament for the next of us to come along. Personally, I would be curious to
see NYC under water, assuming it won't happen overnight or during a ball
game.
Frank Provasek
> I have to side with Jerry here - my example is Nancy Pelosi's demand
> (soon after bcoming Speaker) that she be given an "Air Force 3", a jet
> equivalent to at least that available to the Vice President at all
> times. What an egotistical bunt.
>
This is one of those Right Wing lies propagated through Rush
Limbaugh,
Sean Hannity, Fox News. George W. Bush REQUIRED the Speaker of the
House to use military planes after 9/11.
It never became an issue until a DEMOCRAT became Speaker.
Frank Provasek
> The buying public should be aware that Frank Provasek has, by his own
> admission, been suspended and had his auctions terminated multiple times
> by eBay .
> He goes under the name FRANKCOINS.
> Provasek blames numerous "vindictive" individuals for his repeated and
> sometimes lengthy suspensions from eBay but when asked to provide proof
> of that he can not do so.
Come on Finnan, you are the one who has urged everyone to go over my
listings and
make frivilous reports, knowing that a certain number will be believed
by ebay staff
in India.
This is my first day back at home since my roof was ripped off in a
storm on June 10...and THIS
message from Finnan is the first thing that greets me on RCC. Go back
under your rock, Finnan.
Mr. Jaggers
I agree with you completely, but due to a number of pickup points in this
post, I suspect that you are someone other than Frank Provasek.
James the Authentic
Mr. Jaggers
I find it perplexing that none of the numerous reports I have filed with
eBay (not about any frankcoins listings, by the way) have been acted upon,
in spite of the fact that I have demonstrated to the staff "in India" that
the listings were clearly against the simple eBay rule concerning
authenticity disclaimers in coin auction text. How does it happen that
Finnan or anyone else would be successful where I have repeatedly failed?
Something doesn't compute here.
James the Jilted
PC
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
>
> I find it perplexing that none of the numerous reports I have filed with
> eBay (not about any frankcoins listings, by the way) have been acted upon,
> in spite of the fact that I have demonstrated to the staff "in India" that
> the listings were clearly against the simple eBay rule concerning
> authenticity disclaimers in coin auction text. How does it happen that
> Finnan or anyone else would be successful where I have repeatedly failed?
> Something doesn't compute here.
>
I too have reported auctions only to see them finish without incident.
I have seen reports in this NG (RCC) about fraudelent auctions that are
subsequently removed within a couple hours of the posting.
My guess - eBay won't do much about an isolated report. eBay will, however,
act very fast and without any assessment if they get numerous reports on the
same auction.
Frank Provasek
>. An ordinary,
> non-extreme liberal, but nevertheless a liberal and therefore an enemy of
> the state.
Literally
Sean Penn so designated by Sean Hannity
oly
>
> - Show quoted text -
While I think that you and I are mostly on the same page here, the
25th Amendment does not cover the presidential succession after the
Vice President.
oly
Bruce Remick
Several of us serious can collectors have repeatedly pinged eBay about one
particular seller who makes and sells amazing copies of rare cans from the
1930's and 1940's, as well as attractive fantasy label designs. The real
version of these fabricated cans often sell for $1-$2,000 or more and the
copy could only be authenticated by comparing it to a known authentic one.
Ebay has ignored our messages. I have contacted this seller several times
during an active auction asking if there is anything on the can that
describes it as a reproduction or copy, but I never received a reply.
I can just imagine that hundreds of other collector and upscale retail
products face the same problems on eBay. So it's hard for me to believe
that a few "complaints" about the wording of a particular eBay coin auction
would get such prompt attention.
Roger Hunt
s.com>, oly <oly...@aol.com> writes(snip)
>>
>> Check out the link below. �If anything happens to the President and
>> succession becomes necessary, I am VERY worried. �Still, I sincerely
>> believe America will survive; not because of government, but in spite
>> of government.
>>
>> http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A01010132.html
>>
>> Jerry
>> I shoulda been a Constitional scholar.
>> Maybe I'll just take a morning constitution, instead. �:-)- Hide quoted text
>-
>
>25th Amendment does not cover the presidential succession after the
>Vice President.
>
by it's former colonial masters.
--
Roger Hunt
Bob F.
news:BvwFOcA4h$QKF...@nospam.demon.co.uk...
> In the event of this circumstance the nation would return to ownership
> by it's former colonial masters.
I say give it back to the Indians. There isn't a casino near enough to
me yet!
Bob F.
"Frank Provasek" <fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote in message
news:652609c5-efd1-4ebd...@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> Come on Finnan, you are the one who has urged everyone to go over my
> listings and make frivilous reports, knowing that a certain number
> will be believed
by ebay staff in India.
You are lying again Fwankie.
I never encouraged ANYBODY to make a frivilous report nor am I aware of
any shortcomings on the part of eBay's staff in India (or elsewhere for
that matter).
If you have any proof to the contrary, publish it here otherwise shut
the fuck up and slither back under your rock.
> This is my first day back at home since my roof was ripped off in a
> storm on June 10...and THIS message from Finnan is the first thing
> that greets me on RCC.
Gee, I guess you better run over to the PCGS board and whine some more,
Fwankie.
> Go back under your rock, Finnan.
There wouldn't be room under there for the both of us Fwankie, although
I'm sure you'd love the feeling of another man rubbing up against you!
Bob F.
news:OqS0m.8200$Uq5...@newsfe23.iad...
> I can just imagine that hundreds of other collector and upscale retail
> products face the same problems on eBay. So it's hard for me to
> believe that a few "complaints" about the wording of a particular eBay
> coin auction would get such prompt attention.
Some rainy day when you have nothing better to do, peruse Google Groups
for Fwankie's old posts going back to the dawn of the decade (if not
earlier) and you will find Fwankie has been whining about eBay and
vindictive individuals out to "wreck" his business since that time.
Fwankie always finds some strawman to blame for all his problem.
Currently he has picked me but, as yet, has failed to provide one
scintilla of evidence to back up his paranoid delusions.
Fwankie needs psychiatric help, IMO.
mazorj
...
> Personally, I would be curious to see NYC under water, assuming it won't
> happen overnight or during a ball game.
Do you mean fiscally or physically?
We already saw that fiscally a few decades ago, the figurative "Big Mac
Attack." We'd have both if it happened physically, a kind of catastrophic
two-fer'.
BrotherBart
move uptown to Lake Worth?
Roger Hunt
<ad...@invalid.invalid> writes
bleed him dry. :-)
--
Roger Hunt
oly
> In article <h2123s$3b...@news.eternal-september.org>, Bob F.
I think that you're trying to point out that Casinos on the
Reservation are the modern version of the old Indian "Scalping Party".
oly
Bob F.
The Indians are scalping their white brothers by catering to their
vices.
The tribes out here are selling tax-free cigarettes (illegally some say)
and are threatening to open a casino out in the Hamptons.
In nearby Connecticut there are 2 huge Indian casinos (Mohegan Sun &
Foxwoods) and another Indian casino just opened up in Bethlehem PA.
Apparently the fact that the gambling mecca of the East Coast, Atlantic
City, is nearby doesn't deter our red brothers from rolling the dice
with a new casino.
Bruce Remick
"mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:u7U0m.1185$9l4...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
Nah, those computer-generated disaster scenes just fascinate me. Seeing NYC
filling with water, buildings crumbling, etc. I really have nothing against
NYC in particular, except during the hundred or so times I have had to drive
through it. I find it just as interesting to see the Golden Gate Bridge
collapse in a computer-generated "Big One". Clever artistry, that's all.
I hate to see our big US cities struggle fiscally, since their dilema
inevitably tends to bleed over onto those of us who don't live in the
cities.
Roger Hunt
>> In article <h2123s$3b...@news.eternal-september.org>, Bob F.
>> <ad...@invalid.invalid> writes>"Roger Hunt" <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote
>in message
>> >news:BvwFOcA4h$QKF...@nospam.demon.co.uk...
>> >> In the event of this circumstance the nation would return to ownership
>> >> by it's former colonial masters.
>>
>> >I say give it back to the Indians. There isn't a casino near enough to
>> >me yet!
>>
>> I admire the Indians for using the White Man's toy to cheerfully
>> bleed him dry. � � � � �:-)
>
>Reservation are the modern version of the old Indian "Scalping Party".
>
intaglio design marked on.
--
Roger Hunt
Bruce Remick
"Bob F." <ad...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:h212r5$7bc$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
I know. I've read all that here. My point was that it seems unusual for
someone to complain to eBay about the wording in a coin auction and get such
prompt attention from them.
Roger Hunt
<ad...@invalid.invalid> writes
>
>"Roger Hunt" <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:aAJzVKAZ$ARK...@nospam.demon.co.uk...
>> In article <h2123s$3bq$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, Bob F.
>> <ad...@invalid.invalid> writes
>>>"Roger Hunt" <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>news:BvwFOcA4h$QKF...@nospam.demon.co.uk...
>>>> In the event of this circumstance the nation would return to
>>>> ownership
>>>> by it's former colonial masters.
>>>
>>>I say give it back to the Indians. There isn't a casino near enough to
>>>me yet!
>>>
>> I admire the Indians for using the White Man's toy to cheerfully
>> bleed him dry. :-)
>
>The Indians are scalping their white brothers by catering to their
>vices.
>The tribes out here are selling tax-free cigarettes (illegally some say)
>and are threatening to open a casino out in the Hamptons.
>In nearby Connecticut there are 2 huge Indian casinos (Mohegan Sun &
>Foxwoods) and another Indian casino just opened up in Bethlehem PA.
>Apparently the fact that the gambling mecca of the East Coast, Atlantic
>City, is nearby doesn't deter our red brothers from rolling the dice
>with a new casino.
>
As also in the UK, gambling is the last refuge of a failing culture.
--
Roger Hunt
PC
>
>
> I know. I've read all that here. My point was that it seems unusual for
> someone to complain to eBay about the wording in a coin auction and get
> such prompt attention from them.
>
I have pointed out deliberate fraud and had my reports ignored.
eBay works in mysterious ways...
Jerry Dennis
> "Jerry Dennis" <JDen1...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
>
> *snipped reasonable points*
>
> #3 - She shut down any and all attempts by other representatives
>
>
> <<
> (including some of her own party) NOT to vote on Obama's stimulus
> package last February since it would have taken weeks to read through
> over 1,100 pages of bureaucracy.
>
>
>
> There was a sense that the sky was falling. �I am sure there was no outside
> pressure to "get something done". �Clearly this was Nancy Pelosi abusing her
> power in order to ruin this country because that is what she is dedicated to
> doing.
>
> <<<
> She and the other extremes on the
>
>
>
> "Forced"? �Nothing could have been done? �This is all about Nancy Pelosi's
> evil plot to destory America?
>
>
>
> , in turn, put this economy in worse shape than it would have been in had
> the government let it run its course.
>
>
>
> Yes the strategy of letting things run their course worked so well for
> Herbert Hoover, after all.
>
>
>
> This act of hers shows a mini-monarchy, she attempting to direct 435
> votes to go her way.
> <<<
>
> Methinks someone needs to stop listening to Rush Limbaugh/Sean Hannity.
PC, your points are taken, understood and appear to be well thought
out.. We still have our differences, but still no flame wars. For
that I thank you.
As for Rush and Sean, I don't listen or watch either of them. Even
though I've been called a "right-wing nut" (ask the wife), they're a
little too far to the right for me. As I said, I enjoy a lively
debate. It's when someone decides their right to be a rude a$$hole
overrides my right to my a$$hole opinion.
Jerry the Anal Orifice
(Trying to be as articulate as James)
Lumpy
> What happened to Butt Boy out in
> Mineral Wells? Did he jilt Frank and
> move uptown to Lake Worth?
He loves his damned old rodeo
As much as he loves me
Someday soon
Goin' with him, Someday soon
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Something Years
www.LumpyMusic.com
Mr. Jaggers
[snippage]
> PC, your points are taken, understood and appear to be well thought
> out.. We still have our differences, but still no flame wars. For
> that I thank you.
>
> As for Rush and Sean, I don't listen or watch either of them.
Bless you, my son.
> Jerry the Anal Orifice
> (Trying to be as articulate as James)
Forty years ago I couldn't even spell eddjeekater, now I are one.
James the Oral Analyst
BrotherBart
They took my saddle in Houston,
Broke my leg in Santa Fe.
Lost my wife and a girlfriend,
Somewhere along the way.
I'll be lookin' for eight
When they pull that gate
And I hope that judge ain't blind.
Amarillo By Mornin'
Amarillo's on my mind.
Don Lancaster
No problem staying on a bull for eight seconds.
Then some damn fool opened the gate.
--
Many thanks,
Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
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Bob F.
"Don Lancaster" <d...@tinaja.com> wrote in message
news:7albl3F...@mid.individual.net...
> BrotherBart wrote:
>> Lumpy wrote:
>>> BrotherBart wrote:
>>>> What happened to Butt Boy out in
>>>> Mineral Wells? Did he jilt Frank and
>>>> move uptown to Lake Worth?
>>>
>>> He loves his damned old rodeo
>>> As much as he loves me
>>> Someday soon
>>> Goin' with him, Someday soon
>>>
>>>
>>> Lumpy
>>>
>>> In Your Ears for 40 Something Years
>>> www.LumpyMusic.com
>>>
>>
>> They took my saddle in Houston,
>> Broke my leg in Santa Fe.
>> Lost my wife and a girlfriend,
>> Somewhere along the way.
>> I'll be lookin' for eight
>> When they pull that gate
>> And I hope that judge ain't blind.
>> Amarillo By Mornin'
>> Amarillo's on my mind.
>>
>
> No problem staying on a bull for eight seconds.
> Then some damn fool opened the gate.
Francine got cornfused and rode UNDER the bull!
rjn
> I find it perplexing that none of the numerous reports I have filed with
> eBay (not about any frankcoins listings, by the way) have been acted upon,
> in spite of the fact that I have demonstrated to the staff "in India" that
> the listings were clearly against the simple eBay rule concerning
> authenticity disclaimers in coin auction text.
Perhaps it's because of the other eBay policy, at:
<http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/selling-coins.html>
which states:
"If you're unsure of the origin or authenticity of the coins or
paper money, please state this clearly in the description."
Yes, this is directly contradictory to:
<http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/authenticity-disclaimers.html>
which sez:
"Sellers may not disclaim knowledge of, or responsibility for,
the authenticity or legality of the items offered in their listings."
One might then reasonably expect schizophrenic handing of
schizophrenic Policies. It's been this way for years. There is
no way to report it to eBay in any fashion that results in results.
--
Regards, Bob Niland mailto:na...@ispname.tld
http://www.access-one.com/rjn email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com
NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider.
Lumpy
> "If you're unsure of the origin or authenticity of the coins or
> paper money, please state this clearly in the description."
This coin is stamped "622BC". I'm not able to
verify the authenticity, but it looks legit to me.
Pogonip
Well if it's dated, it's got to be right, doesn't it?
--
Joanne
stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth.milky-way.com
http://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/
Jim Higgins
> Lumpy wrote:
>> rjn wrote:
>>
>>> "If you're unsure of the origin or authenticity of the coins or
>>> paper money, please state this clearly in the description."
>>
>> This coin is stamped "622BC". I'm not able to
>> verify the authenticity, but it looks legit to me.
>>
>>
>> Lumpy
>>
>> In Your Ears for 40 Something Years
>> www.LumpyMusic.com
>>
>
> Well if it's dated, it's got to be right, doesn't it?
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Mr. Jaggers
> "Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote:
>
>> I find it perplexing that none of the numerous reports I have filed
>> with eBay (not about any frankcoins listings, by the way) have been
>> acted upon, in spite of the fact that I have demonstrated to the
>> staff "in India" that the listings were clearly against the simple
>> eBay rule concerning authenticity disclaimers in coin auction text.
>
> Perhaps it's because of the other eBay policy, at:
> <http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/selling-coins.html>
> which states:
> "If you're unsure of the origin or authenticity of the coins or
> paper money, please state this clearly in the description."
>
> Yes, this is directly contradictory to:
> <http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/authenticity-disclaimers.html>
> which sez:
> "Sellers may not disclaim knowledge of, or responsibility for,
> the authenticity or legality of the items offered in their listings."
>
> One might then reasonably expect schizophrenic handing of
> schizophrenic Policies. It's been this way for years. There is
> no way to report it to eBay in any fashion that results in results.
Unfortunately, you are so correct. The auction I reported for authenticity
disclaimer one week ago ended earlier today with no bids, and nary an eBay
slap on the hands in sight.
James
BrotherBart
>
> Unfortunately, you are so correct. The auction I reported for authenticity
> disclaimer one week ago ended earlier today with no bids, and nary an eBay
> slap on the hands in sight.
>
Being a coin peddler just has to really suck. There are just so many
better ways to make a living.
Used car salesman, Nigerian prince...
Bob F.
"BrotherBart" <noth...@nomail.net> wrote in message
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Spitoon cleaner...
Don Lancaster
Obviously bogus.
Stamping was not invented till 619 BC.
Frank Provasek
>
> Yes, why doesn't Frank Provasek give a BELIEVABLE explanation for his
> many suspensions?
> His wild fantasies about "vindictive" individuals and a vast conspiracy
> to destroy his business are both laughable and pathetic.
> His complaints can be tracked on Google Groups going back almost a
> decade.
> Every time something happens to Provasek, he finds a new straw dog to
> blame and threaten.
> Millions of people do business on eBay without problems yet Provasek has
> been repeatedly suspended and had his auctions cancelled.
> What does that tell you?
Getting a competitor's eBay auctions and account shut down is a well
known dirty trick.
It has even been discussed on YouTube
Bob F.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqQZM8uazDk
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So, Fwankie, now you are claiming it is your competitors who are getting
you suspended and having your auctions cancelled?
Couldn't have a thing to do with the fact that you consistently violated
eBay rules on listing certified coins, could it? Could it?
What happened to all the "vindictive individuals" you were blaming
before?
Frank Provasek
>
> So, Fwankie, now you are claiming it is your competitors who are getting
> you suspended and having your auctions cancelled?
> Couldn't have a thing to do with the fact that you consistently violated
> eBay rules on listing certified coins, could it? Could it?
> What happened to all the "vindictive individuals" you were blaming
> before?
In most cases it IS competitors. In my case it's just assholes....
From: RF <fwdi...@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: rec.collecting.coins
Subject: Re: US Mint follies
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 07:52:31 -0800 (PST)
On Feb 9, 6:42 am, Frank Provasek <fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote:
> Really pathetic. They are trying to bury the dead and restore
> essential
> services, and RF comes out with such a disgusting, profanity-ridden
> rant.
Don't you have some auctions to list on eBay that I can report?