Home made Slings? Help!
eric
quick-draws) and am having trouble finding a selection of slings.
Unfortunately, the local outdoor gear stores really don't carry slings.
There is a meager selection of biners, but only a-half dozen slings for
sale in the entire city (used loosely). I was considering sowing up my
own slings since climbing grade webbing is redaly available.
Does anyone have any experience with home made slings? Is it a worth
while endevore? Is it possible to make "safe" slings? What kind of
thread shoud be used to sow them up? How many rows of sowing should be
done as back up, most commercial slings I've seen have 4 to 6 rows.
Any help would be appreciated.
Eric
christoph...@my-deja.com
Or were you perhaps trolling?
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>
> Does anyone have any experience with home made slings? Is it a worth
> while endevore? Is it possible to make "safe" slings? What kind of
> thread shoud be used to sow them up? How many rows of sowing should be
> done as back up, most commercial slings I've seen have 4 to 6 rows.
>
Don't go there, dude. Either find some on the web and order them, or buy the
webbing and TIE some. Too many people try to save a few bucks and end up
hurt or dead. I'd say that is a pretty poor deal.
Allen
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If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then you probably
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Tim Howe
> I am in the process of setting up a new rack (just acumulating a bunch of
> quick-draws) and am having trouble finding a selection of slings.
> Unfortunately, the local outdoor gear stores really don't carry slings.
> There is a meager selection of biners, but only a-half dozen slings for
> sale in the entire city (used loosely). I was considering sowing up my
> own slings since climbing grade webbing is redaly available.
>
DO NOT SEW YOUR OWN SLINGS!!!
If your local stores do not have any slings, buy them mail order. Check
out www.rei.com, www.mgear.com, and a variety of others.
If you really want to make your own, tie them with water-knots (check them
often). Some people aren't too happy with tied slings but they are strong
and they work, use super-tape if nylon scares you. Home-sewn slings are a
time bomb.
for reference www.rei.com has their own brand-name assymetrical runners
(one end is sewn tight to hold the rope-end biner) for $2.70.
and mountain gear has a bd 18mmx10cm runner for $2.50
Virtually all mail-order shops carry a variety of options for you to
choose from and you can often find good deals if you are willing to shop
around.
If you want more places to look online, search deja news or email me
directly.
climb safe.
-Tim
AKLindsay
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> What kind of thread shoud be used to >sow them up? How many rows of sowing
>should be done as back up,...
I'd sow them in rows about two feet apart, about 6 inches deep, in a well
watered area without much direct sunlight. After they sprout, you need to
fertilize with light machine oil and watch out for nylon weevils.
Sheesh, and this guy has an .edu address?!
Alan Lindsay - Salt Lake City, UT
AKLi...@aol.com
eric
might have actually gone from using the water-knot method (which I am
aware of and is not my preference) to sowing their own. I guess the idea
of sown quick draws must have just been a corporate inspiration.
Anyway, thank you for those of you who gave some positive feed-back, I
figured it might not be the best thing to do blindly (thus I ASKED about
it). For the gods-of-all-knowledge out there, who felt complaints and
insults were the way to go, have fun grumbling you way through endless
banter; sorry, I thought this news group might have been useful for
learning something. My mistake.
Eric
Robert Williams
I have some friends who argue that an overhand is the better way to go
because its easier but I prefer using a double fisherman. This is the
cheapest way to go. I would not trust my own sewing skills to something
like this.
christoph...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Two simple words: mail order.
>
> Or were you perhaps trolling?
>
> In article <Pine.GSO.4.10.990816...@ux13.cso.uiuc.edu>,
> eric <en-b...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
> > I am in the process of setting up a new rack (just acumulating a
> bunch of
> > quick-draws) and am having trouble finding a selection of slings.
> > Unfortunately, the local outdoor gear stores really don't carry
> slings.
> > There is a meager selection of biners, but only a-half dozen slings
> for
> > sale in the entire city (used loosely). I was considering sowing up
> my
> > own slings since climbing grade webbing is redaly available.
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience with home made slings? Is it a worth
> > while endevore? Is it possible to make "safe" slings? What kind of
> > thread shoud be used to sow them up? How many rows of sowing should
> be
> > done as back up, most commercial slings I've seen have 4 to 6 rows.
> >
AKLindsay
Welcome to rec.climbing, dude.
>I thought this news group might have been useful for
>learning something. My mistake.
Speaking of mistakes, here's something you can learn:
the word is sew, not sow - worthwhile is one word - same with homemade - it's
spelled endeavor, not "endevore".
I usually don't correct grammar here, but good lord, I would think you'd at
least know how to spell "sew" before you got to college!
Michael E. Gordon
it for me.
Michael
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Keith Jewell
> I usually don't correct grammar here, but good lord, I would think you'd at
> least know how to spell "sew" before you got to college!
>
Yup, he asked for it. I thought the group showed decent restraint by
not blasting him before he got sarcastic. It was more leniency than I
was going to give him.
K
Michael Riches
wrote:
> Yup, he asked for it. I thought the group showed decent restraint by
>not blasting him before he got sarcastic. It was more leniency than I
>was going to give him.
>
>K
Damn....got here a little bit late for the fun, I see...Oh well, maybe I can
offer him a bit of cheese and crackers to go with his whine...
The Rockrat (sheesh...you guy's have all the fun)
Frederick A Weihe
eric <en-b...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>I am in the process of setting up a new rack (just acumulating a bunch of
>quick-draws) and am having trouble finding a selection of slings.
>Unfortunately, the local outdoor gear stores really don't carry slings.
>
>while endevore? Is it possible to make "safe" slings? What kind of
>thread shoud be used to sow them up? How many rows of sowing should be
>done as back up, most commercial slings I've seen have 4 to 6 rows.
If this turns out to be troll, it's fantastic!
It is possible to make your own sewn runners if you have the right skills and
equipment. But I think you'd better be careful making your own slings, or
you may reap what you sew! ...or rip what you "sow"...or rip what you
sew...
Consider mail-order for your slingage needs, brother.
Cheers,
Fritz
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Mike Haden
a hitch (no pun intended). I use super-tape these days, with a water-knot,
with a good inspection of the knot ends every couple of months. Anything
less than 1-2 inches outside of the knot, retie the knot. Less expensive
than sewn slings, and more versatile.
Hope this helps ... /Mike
Kama & John
be asking us. ALL of my slings are tie, i think sew slings suck anyway.
often in alpine situations I tie a few slings together for rap anchors. Use
a water knot or a double fisherman's. make sure the tails are long.
JOHN
Brad
>Robert Williams <rwil...@martinbischoff.com> wrote >
>I have some friends who argue that an overhand is the better way to go
> because its easier but I prefer using a double fisherman.
I would not think that an overhand in this situation is safe. I would not
use any slings tied with this knot. Also, I had always heard that you use a
water knot but I found an old #2 cam (I think it was a forged friend (did
the shaft used to me silver (metal) in color?) on Fat City at Lumpy that
was tied with a fisherman's. Seemed solid, but I put a new sling on it with
a water knot all the same.
Brad
Tim Howe
>
> >Robert Williams <rwil...@martinbischoff.com> wrote >
>
> >I have some friends who argue that an overhand is the better way to go
> > because its easier but I prefer using a double fisherman.
>
> I would not think that an overhand in this situation is safe. I would not
> use any slings tied with this knot. Also, I had always heard that you use a
> water knot
I suspect he means a re-traced overhand knot, i.e. a water knot.
Terminology's a bitch eh?
> but I found an old #2 cam (I think it was a forged friend (did
> the shaft used to me silver (metal) in color?) on Fat City at Lumpy that
> was tied with a fisherman's. Seemed solid, but I put a new sling on it with
> a water knot all the same.
Good idea to always replace the slings on found gear anyway. I personally
like the water knot because it seems to lay better on my rack but the
fishermans is just as safe. Some folks say that the fishermans is better
because it is less likely to come untied but I'm not sure it makes a
difference if you check your gear regurlarly.
Back to the terminology. I met a guy who was calling a water knot a
"butterfly" knot. Never heard this before. He was not a beginner and
was tying everything correctly etc. The only butterfly knot I know is
the alpine butterfly (and variations on same). Anybody else heard it
called a butterfly knot?
-Tim
Robert Williams
knot or the fisherman for me.
Brad wrote:
> >Robert Williams <rwil...@martinbischoff.com> wrote >
>
> >I have some friends who argue that an overhand is the better way to go
> > because its easier but I prefer using a double fisherman.
>
> I would not think that an overhand in this situation is safe. I would not
> use any slings tied with this knot. Also, I had always heard that you use a
> water knot but I found an old #2 cam (I think it was a forged friend (did
> the shaft used to me silver (metal) in color?) on Fat City at Lumpy that
> was tied with a fisherman's. Seemed solid, but I put a new sling on it with
> a water knot all the same.
>
> Brad
Keith Jewell
>
> Damn....got here a little bit late for the fun, I see...Oh well, maybe I can
> offer him a bit of cheese and crackers to go with his whine...
>
and tried to reply, he'd already been picked off. Felt like a fish that
got away.
K
tom_the_...@my-deja.com
because beer is better than water. Look in the second edition of ON
ROPE for tying instructions
Tom
Fern
look even further into ON ROPE and you will find info on sewing
(sowing?) your own slings. You will also find info on how to rappel
with a cow. it is a very interesting book.
->F
Bing
Also, where can I get some of that thar machine oil fertilizer for my tangle
of webbing saplings?
> the word is sew, not sow - worthwhile is one word - same with homemade -
An egg sell ant pointe!
A6 Demise
John L. Venable III
But I'd Hate to see him get Hurt!
J
Oz
Dr.Seuss is cool
Ken....@alumni.cs.cmu.edu
> ALL of my slings are tie, i think sew slings suck anyway.
Sewn slings don't suck. They're lighter... and stronger... and less
bulky... and often more reliable. Nothing necesarily wrong with tied
slings if you check them frequently.
Use a small knife to cut sewn slings for use at rap stations (or use
part of your cordelette).
Ken
Fern
> look even further into ON ROPE and you will find info on sewing
> (sowing?) your own slings. You will also find info on how to rappel
> with a cow. it is a very interesting book.
> ->F
check amazon.com for info on "ON ROPE: North American Vertical Rope
Techniques for Caving, Rappellers, etc. " by Bruce Smith and Allen
Padgett. Published by the National Speleological Society.
A Beer knot is a water knot where the re-tracing is done _inside_ the
tubular webbing. It has been discussed previously on rec.climbing
although perhaps under a different name.
->F