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Waterloo
March 21st, 2010 at 4:59 pm by David Frum | No Comments |Share
Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing
legislative defeat since the 1960s.
It’s hard to exaggerate the magnitude of the disaster. Conservatives
may cheer themselves that they’ll compensate for today’s expected vote
with a big win in the November 2010 elections. But:
(1) It’s a good bet that conservatives are over-optimistic about
November – by then the economy will have improved and the immediate
goodies in the healthcare bill will be reaching key voting blocs.
(2) So what? Legislative majorities come and go. This healthcare bill
is forever. A win in November is very poor compensation for this
debacle now.
So far, I think a lot of conservatives will agree with me. Now comes
the hard lesson:
A huge part of the blame for today’s disaster attaches to
conservatives and Republicans ourselves.
At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike,
say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut,
we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no
compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be
Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994.
Only, the hardliners overlooked a few key facts: Obama was elected
with 53% of the vote, not Clinton’s 42%. The liberal block within the
Democratic congressional caucus is bigger and stronger than it was in
1993-94. And of course the Democrats also remember their history, and
also remember the consequences of their 1994 failure.
This time, when we went for all the marbles, we ended with none.
Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that the gap
between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big.
The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s
Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage
Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican
counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994.
Barack Obama badly wanted Republican votes for his plan. Could we have
leveraged his desire to align the plan more closely with conservative
views? To finance it without redistributive taxes on productive
enterprise – without weighing so heavily on small business – without
expanding Medicaid? Too late now. They are all the law.
No illusions please: This bill will not be repealed. Even if
Republicans scored a 1994 style landslide in November, how many votes
could we muster to re-open the “doughnut hole” and charge seniors more
for prescription drugs? How many votes to re-allow insurers to rescind
policies when they discover a pre-existing condition? How many votes
to banish 25 year olds from their parents’ insurance coverage? And
even if the votes were there – would President Obama sign such a
repeal?
We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and
they led us to abject and irreversible defeat.
There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But
they were trapped. Conservative talkers on Fox and talk radio had
whipped the Republican voting base into such a frenzy that deal-making
was rendered impossible. How do you negotiate with somebody who wants
to murder your grandmother? Or – more exactly – with somebody whom
your voters have been persuaded to believe wants to murder their
grandmother?
I’ve been on a soapbox for months now about the harm that our
overheated talk is doing to us. Yes it mobilizes supporters – but by
mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information,
overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to
represent and elected leaders to lead. The real leaders are on TV and
radio, and they have very different imperatives from people in
government. Talk radio thrives on confrontation and recrimination.
When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was
intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say –
but what is equally true – is that he also wants Republicans to fail.
If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and
negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get
less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less,
and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.
So today’s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a
huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners
and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even
more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers
on television and radio. For them, it’s mission accomplished. For the
cause they purport to represent, it’s Waterloo all right: ours.
I am Tosk
@h18g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>, loogy...@gmail.com says...
>
> So today?s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a
> huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners
> and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even
> more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers
> on television and radio. For them, it?s mission accomplished. For the
> cause they purport to represent, it?s Waterloo all right: ours.
If this was written by a republican (and I doubt it) it was a
congresswoman Snow, Gov Ahhhnaaald type Republican.. Only in name.
Scotty
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hk
Frum was one of George W. Bush's senior speechwriters, and is a
well-known conservative.
You're a moron. Still. I hope your kids are the result of your wife
being impregnated by someone other than you.
hk
Oh, and it isn't Congresswoman Snow, moron.
It's United States Senator Olympia Snowe.
jpj...@psbnewton.com
wrote:
As a matter of clarification;
"A Member of Congress (also known as Congressman, Congresswoman or
Congressperson) is a term used for a politician who is a member of a
congress.[1] In countries with a parliament rather than a congress,
the term Member of Parliament (MP) is often used instead.
In the United States, the term formally applies to members of both the
upper house Senate and the lower House of Representatives."
Loogypicker
wrote:
> In article <a9171825-11bf-4a1c-a1f4-6cb66f3623b6
> @h18g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>, loogypic...@gmail.com says...
>
>
>
> > So today?s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a
> > huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners
> > and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even
> > more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers
> > on television and radio. For them, it?s mission accomplished. For the
> > cause they purport to represent, it?s Waterloo all right: ours.
>
> If this was written by a republican (and I doubt it) it was a
> congresswoman Snow, Gov Ahhhnaaald type Republican.. Only in name.
>
> Scotty
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> For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v
Why, because he realizes that in order for this country to be all that
it can be, that we need to work together instead of saying no to any
and everything the dems do just because they are dems? He's actually a
well known representitive of your party, and you don't know who he
is???
hk
Yeah, right, StupidScotty would know that and not know how to spell the
woman's name. It's sorta find watching you righties rationalize your
stupidity and the stupidity of your political partners in crime.
jpj...@psbnewton.com
I should now be surprised that you can find room to be condescending.
hk
>> stupidity and the stupidity of your political partners in crime.
>
> I should now be surprised that you can find room to be condescending.
StupidScotty is a moron. He was attempting to put down Frum, who is a
well-respective conservative thinker and writer. StupidScotty is a
teabagger, and not one to be taken seriously.
Jack
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:11:03 -0400, hk <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >On 3/25/10 12:05 PM, jpj...@psbnewton.com wrote:
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> On 3/25/10 11:45 AM, hk wrote:
> >>>> On 3/25/10 11:37 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
> >>>>> In article<a9171825-11bf-4a1c-a1f4-6cb66f3623b6
Especially when you had to teach him that the term was, in fact,
correct.
I am Tosk
@z11g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>, loogy...@gmail.com says...
Yeah, Arrianna Huffington and Louis Farrakahn are "well known
representatives" of your party, do you subscribe to everything they say,
do you consider them "leaders" or "Mainstream" in your party?
So who was it, Snow, or maybe that crazy repub that ran on the third
party ticket last year, I forget his name? Maybe Ron Paul?? Yeah, it
might have been him. Either way, I am sure there is a good reason you
are not identifying the original author, maybe not real secure in your
presentation of the source?? <snerk>
Loogypicker
wrote:
> In article <31f52f8c-e730-4366-8ed7-ad37961956d1
> @z11g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>, loogypic...@gmail.com says...
>
> - Show quoted text -
I'm sorry, What position does Farakan hold in the Democratic party?
What position does Arianna Huffington hold in the Democratic Party?
Look at the top, the author is right there, so you can quit accusing
me of "not providing" him. Look right there at the top "By David
Frum". Now you forgot to answer my question. You said you didn't think
he was a 'real republican". Why is that? Because he thinks that the
best bills would be those that both sides worked on and agreed on
instead of just saying NO because you want to be partisan?
jpj...@psbnewton.com
I am Tosk
jpj...@psbnewton.com says...
So, I thought she was a congress critter and she is in the senate?
Oooops, sorry.
jpj...@psbnewton.com
You erred well, Grasshopper.
anon-e-moose
>
> Yeah, right, StupidScotty would know that and not know how to spell the
> woman's name. It's sorta find watching you righties rationalize your
> stupidity and the stupidity of your political partners in crime.
You made a few errors there, Bub. Mistakes that a real writer wouldn't make.
anon-e-moose
tiring after a while.
I am Tosk
bullw...@CompuServe.llc says...
> >
> How does it feel to be butt sniffed by Krause constantly? It must get
> tiring after a while.
I don't see much of what he writes. Only a few left here who quote him
that are not also in the KF. I know what Harry is, I am not interested
in his fairy stories.
jps
Snotty lays claim to knowing lots about our constitution but doesn't
know Snowe is a Senator? The same senator who was willing to side
with Dems on health care earlier this year?
Even Loogy knows that.
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bpuharic
<loogy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>That they just can not say no to everything and try to derail
>everything.
>
>Waterloo
>March 21st, 2010 at 4:59 pm by David Frum | No Comments |Share
>Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing
>legislative defeat since the 1960s.
>
today, david frum was fired as a fellow at the conservative american
enterprise institute.
bpuharic
frum has his own website and was a regular commentator on 'national
review' until he started calling out the GOP lunatic fringe
jps
They don't cotton to anyone who isn't willing to goosestep.
bpuharic
<loogy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>That they just can not say no to everything and try to derail
>everything.
>
>Waterloo
>March 21st, 2010 at 4:59 pm by David Frum | No Comments |Share
>Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing
>legislative defeat since the 1960s.
turns out frum has revealed that AEI scholars have been told not to
talk to the media because too many of them agree with obama:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/03/frum-is-fired-by-aei.html
Since, he is no longer affiliated with AEI, I feel free to say
publicly something he told me in private a few months ago. He asked if
I had noticed any comments by AEI "scholars" on the subject of health
care reform. I said no and he said that was because they had been
ordered not to speak to the media because they agreed with too much of
what Obama was trying to do.
Jim
Hehe. Like anybody would believe that fag Sullivan.
Jim - No wool over my eyes.
bpuharic
res ipsa loquitur
Jim
Save your Mex talk for your illegal wetback housekeeper or lawn cutter,
lib. No comprendo.
Jim - Next he'll be asking me to press 2 for English.
bpuharic
and, i repeat....
res ipsa loquitur!
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I guess stupid is as stupid does exist.
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