Re: OT Bush Document Forgeries
Harry Krause
> http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?channel=i_video&clip=/media/2004/09/20/video644643&sec=201&vidId=201&title=CBS$@$We$@$Were$@$Misled&hitboxMLC=national
>
> CBS finally admits to receiving garbage and flying with it. Seems like there
> were a lot of other folks right here flying with it. Haven't heard anyone admit
> they were wrong.
> John H
>
> On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD,
> on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!
CBS says it cannot prove the docs are real. Taht doesn't mean Bush
didn't get all the breaks, including some to which he was not entitled.
--
We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the
son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of
them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and
incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah.
What, me worry?
Taco Heaven
attempt to stop the downhill spiral.
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Butch Davis
Rather's partisanship. This has to hurt... a lot. As for Rather.... it's
time for that sorry bastard to get out of Dodge and move back to Texas.
But, he'll have to watch his mouth in Texas where liars often suffer some
consequences. Maybe he should stay in NY or move to the left coast.
Butch
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NOYB
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>
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?channel=i_video&clip=/media/2004/09/20/video644643&sec=201&vidId=201&title=CBS$@$We$@$Were$@$Misled&hitboxMLC=national
>
> CBS finally admits to receiving garbage and flying with it. Seems like
there
> were a lot of other folks right here flying with it. Haven't heard anyone
admit
> they were wrong.
Hehehe. And to think...when I posted that possibility here on rec.boats
(before any of the major news media mentioned it), Harry jumped all over my
case for citing CNSNEWS.com as my source.
NOYB
> >
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?channel=i_video&clip=/media/2004/09/20/video644643&sec=201&vidId=201&title=CBS$@$We$@$Were$@$Misled&hitboxMLC=national
> >
> > CBS finally admits to receiving garbage and flying with it. Seems like
there
> > were a lot of other folks right here flying with it. Haven't heard
anyone admit
> > they were wrong.
> > John H
> >
> > On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD,
> > on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!
>
>
> CBS says it cannot prove the docs are real.
Actually, Rather says a bit more than that:
" Now, after extensive additional interviews, I no longer have the
confidence in these documents that would allow us to continue vouching for
them journalistically."
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That's journalist code for: "they're bullshit".
Harry Krause
> As for Rather.... it's
> time for that sorry bastard to get out of Dodge and move back to Texas.
> But, he'll have to watch his mouth in Texas where liars often suffer some
> consequences.
You mean, like Bush...elected governor?
Harry Krause
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 21:48:37 GMT, "NOYB" <no...@noyb.com> wrote:
You
> did good on this one.
>
> John H
>
> On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD,
> on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!
Ahhh...I see John Whoring is out working the streets...again.
Gould 0738
"Ok, George, all those questionable accusations about Kerry behaving cowardly
in Viet Nam seem to have done some damage. Now we need to worry about a
reprisal. What's the worst thing that anybody can say about your military
service?"
"That I went AWOL when it looked like the unit might be called up for combat
missions. I basically skipped two years of my obligation."
"Oh schidt! We can't let that stand. Who could corroborate that?"
"Most of my commanders are dead now, or senile, but there might be some
documents somewhere. I suppose we'd be hurt pretty badly if they showed
up....."
"Oh, crap. What to do, what to do, what to do........I've got it! We'll draft
some phony documents detailing those charges, and leak them to the press
through somebody who is closely enough associated with the TANG to be
credible!"
"What!? Are you nuts? Bring this down on our own campaign?"
"Exactly. The minute the story hits, we can put up a hue and cry that the
documents are phony. That will divert everybody's attention to the authenticity
of the documents, and away from the charges. When we eventually prove the
documents are phony, as we rather obviously will be able to do, the sheeple
will believe that if the documents are phony the charges must be phony too."
"Brilliant!"
"This will probably destroy the career of the reporter we leak this to........"
"I was just thinking the same thing. Dan Rather. Has to be, Dan Rather."
******
But then again, that's just the report from the fly on the White House wall.
Could have been written on forged flypaper. :-)
Butch Davis
false documents about himself to entrap Kerry/Rather while all Harry can
come up with is to say POTUS looks like Howdy Doody(?).
Are these lefties grasping at straws, or what? Hehehe.
Butch
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Harry Krause
> Too funny. Gould makes up funny conspiracy stories blaming Bush for leaking
> false documents about himself to entrap Kerry/Rather while all Harry can
> come up with is to say POTUS looks like Howdy Doody(?).
>
> Are these lefties grasping at straws, or what? Hehehe.
>
> Butch
>
He does look like Howdy Doody. Or Alfred E. Newman. And is no smarter
than either. What he looks like, of course, is not relevant. How dumb he
is...is.
P.Fritz
"Butch Davis" <butc...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Too funny. Gould makes up funny conspiracy stories blaming Bush for
leaking
> false documents about himself to entrap Kerry/Rather while all Harry can
> come up with is to say POTUS looks like Howdy Doody(?).
>
> Are these lefties grasping at straws, or what? Hehehe.
What else would you expect from the intellectually bankrupt liebral
socialists?????
Harry Krause
> "Butch Davis" <butc...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>> Too funny. Gould makes up funny conspiracy stories blaming Bush for
> leaking
>> false documents about himself to entrap Kerry/Rather while all Harry can
>> come up with is to say POTUS looks like Howdy Doody(?).
>>
>> Are these lefties grasping at straws, or what? Hehehe.
>
> What else would you expect from the intellectually bankrupt liebral
> socialists?????
I don't mind name-calling from the vacuous, but since both Gould and I
are deeply engaged in making money via the system we have in this
country, what makes you think either of us are modern-day socialists?
I wouldn't presume to speak for Gould. Personally, I have nothing
against and indeed find much to like about many aspects of modern
European socialism, especially those aspects of it that help those with
problems (medical, layoffs, et cetera) from being placed on the discard
pile. If I wanted to be a socialist, I'd move to one of those more
civilized, more modern states, instead of living in the "shoot-em-up"
USA, eh?
What the hell do you actually know about modern socialism,
shit-for-brains? Or do you, as I suspect, just projectile vomit what
you've heard on reich-wing radio?
Gould 0738
>socialists?????
Something requiring more intellect than juvenile name calling?
Gould 0738
>false documents about himself to entrap Kerry/Rather while all Harry can
>come up with is to say POTUS looks like Howdy Doody(?).
Glad you saw the humor in the story.
How does this entrap Kerry, except in the
sperm spewing fantasies of the radio right?
The point you missed is that the WH *does not dispute* the substance of the
story. The public is so distracted by the flap over the documents, nobody paid
any attention to whether the story could be real, or not.
If I owed you $5000, and a mysterious, forged IOU surfaced- would that prove I
didn't owe you $5000? By current standards it must- if the note was forged the
debt it represents must be bogus as well.
The public is also overlooking the fact that each time Bush says "All the
records have been released. This time, I really mean it. You've got them
all,"......somebody files a lawsuit for access to public documents and lo,
behold, more stuff comes forward.
Bush has proved he is unworthy of his office during the last four years. Nobody
needs to go back to when he was a coke-snorting college student to make him
look ridiculous. But since CBS chose to do so, I still suspect that where there
is smoke, there is some fire.
The producer of that 60 Mintues spot is a young woman from Seattle. Her best
friend still works at the local station, and the word of yesterday is that
"there is a lot more that is about to break" on the issue.
CBS now has an incentive to destroy Bush's military service credibility- if it
can do so. We'll see.
basskisser
> "Butch Davis" <butc...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> > Too funny. Gould makes up funny conspiracy stories blaming Bush for
> leaking
> > false documents about himself to entrap Kerry/Rather while all Harry can
> > come up with is to say POTUS looks like Howdy Doody(?).
> >
> > Are these lefties grasping at straws, or what? Hehehe.
>
> What else would you expect from the intellectually bankrupt liebral
> socialists?????
Too funny, Fritz is chastising people for name calling, and in doing
so, makes the above statement!!!!!!!
Calif Bill
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NOYB
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> And we have Kerry who looks like Lurch.
>
I was thinking Mr. Ed.
Gould 0738
I-0W. Conscientous objector. Draft number came up, did two years alternative
service.
ecr
> Fly on wall of WH staff room hears:
>
You have no clue as to Bush's service.
Have you not seen the reports as to the requirements for guard
service?
The requirements for NG service were 50 points per year.
Bush had;
1st yr: 340
2nd yr: 253
3rd yr: 112
4th yr: 137
5th yr: 56
6th yr: 56
Result; HONORABLE DISCHARGE
Source: http://www.hillnews.com/york/090904.aspx
I know, it is a conservative site so it must be discounted by such as
yourself and hairy and asskisser.
Gould 0738
>yourself and hairy and asskisser.
It makes tremendous sense to discount people who cannot address issues without
invoking personalities.
From any side.
Did you know that it's usually the losing party that gets involved in name
calling?
jim--
Translation: He who enjoys the freedoms other have fought for but will not
do the same when asked.
I figured as much Chuck.
basskisser
thunder
>> I-0W. Conscientous objector. Draft number came up, did two years
>> alternative
>> service.
>
> Translation: He who enjoys the freedoms other have fought for but will
> not do the same when asked.
>
> I figured as much Chuck.
Like religious freedom? So, when push comes to shove, which allegiance is
more important, to God *or* to country?
Harry Krause
Uh-oh...Jayne gave the keyboard back to Jim--wit?
A teling post...
1. No one was fighting for our "freedoms" in Vietnam. The last time our
"freedoms" were at stake in a shooting war was in World War II.
2. One does not have to believe in "God" or a "creator" to be a c.o.
An interesting question I hope someone puts to Bush at the debates:
Mr. President, please explain in detail how you reconcile your professed
Christianity with your waging war on Iraq.
jim--
> thunder wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:37:03 -0400, jim-- wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> I-0W. Conscientous objector. Draft number came up, did two years
>>>> alternative
>>>> service.
>>>
>>> Translation: He who enjoys the freedoms other have fought for but will
>>> not do the same when asked.
>>>
>>> I figured as much Chuck.
>>
>>
>> Like religious freedom? So, when push comes to shove, which allegiance
>> is
>> more important, to God *or* to country?
>
>
> Uh-oh...Jayne gave the keyboard back to Jim--wit?
>
> A teling post...
For someone who has killfiled me you seem to maintain a keen interest in my
life and my posts.
But such should be expected from a Kerry supported....flip.....flop.
Gould 0738
>more important, to God *or* to country?
I did exactly what my country asked me to do. I had a couple of easy outs,
including
a group of anti-war people in Vancouver BC offering me a job in a cabinet shop
and the right connections to become a "landed immigrant". It was allegiance to
my country that inspired me to stay here, work within the system, etc.
I'm sure it would have been much more herioc to go AWOL from the National
Guard, attend college darned near forever,
or what not.
Tamaroak
dispute about Bush being A.W.O.L. at best, but probably a deserter, or
at least that's what they would have called me if I had been "dropped
from the rolls" over 30 days like he was. But then, my daddy wasn't the
prez, either...
Capt. Jeff
Gould 0738
>dispute about Bush being A.W.O.L.
OJ is innocent.
Has to be. Just ask the right wingers.
Since part of the evidence against him was proven to be fabricated, (Mark
Fuhrman, glove, etc) that means the entire case was bogus from the get-go.
Since the presence of a forged document to the contrary proves that Bush *must*
have served honorably in the TANG, rather obviously OJ is innocent too.
Surely the same standard applies.
NOYB
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> But the documents weren't wrong; they were just forgeries.
LOL. Thanks. That put a smile on my face. ;-)
NOYB
> >But the documents weren't wrong; they were just forgeries. There is no
> >dispute about Bush being A.W.O.L.
>
> OJ is innocent.
>
> Has to be. Just ask the right wingers.
>
> Since part of the evidence against him was proven to be fabricated, (Mark
> Fuhrman, glove, etc) that means the entire case was bogus from the get-go.
You just argued yesterday that the Constitution protects against abusive
powers by the police...and that criminals whose rights are violated
shouldn't be prosecuted. Now you're telling me that OJ was really guilty?
>
> Since the presence of a forged document to the contrary proves that Bush
*must*
> have served honorably in the TANG, rather obviously OJ is innocent too.
I'm glad we agree!
Sam
So, Jim, What exactly were the freedoms we were fighting for in
Vietnam? What was the purpose of that war?
Harry Krause
We were there to make sure the North Vietnamese didn't invade Avon Lake,
Ohio.
Tom
wrote:
But then, my daddy wasn't the
>prez, either...
>
Bert Robbins
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To stem the flow of communism in SEA, South East Asia, if you can't
remember. The threat of communism taking over the world was real in the
30's, 40's and 50's. There was a race in all things political and military.
The American way of life was being challenged and threatened.
You can say what you will now but, at the time of the Vietnam war the Soviet
threat was real.
Don White
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>
snip
> The American way of life was being challenged and threatened.
>
Say what? How about George W and his pardners threatening 'the American
way of life'? You seem to accept that willingly.
Gould 0738
>way of life'? You seem to accept that willingly.
They're not threatening the American way of life, merely trying trying to
redefine it.
(for the worse)
Sam
Sure , I remember the theories. Dominoes. That war seems about like
this one, started by Republicans all in a lather about "threats" to
the American way of life, hills and villages conquered at a huge cost
of life and limb, tragedies galore, only to be abandoned the next day.
The all powerfull US military getting its ass whupped by a yellow
horde of gooks, now ragheads, like a hawk getting pestered by sparrows
and can't do anything about it. America venoumously divided.
Vietnamization a total failure, let's try it again in Iraq, shall we?
And what happened after we bugged out? Cambodia, after we bombed 2,3,4
or 5 hundred thousand of them to death, destabilized by our secret war
there, became the playground of that impish prankster Pol Pot, who
sent another 2 million of the locals to their graves. So Bert, what's
the prognosis for the middle east after we have thoroughly
destabilized it, completed Iraqamization, declared peace with honor,
whoops, mission accomplished I mean, and bugged out?