Fishing licenses and child support
Keith
they've passed a new law now...you have to give them your social
security number so they can run it through the computers and see if
you're behind on your child support before they can give you a fishing
license! This isn't a comment on the desirability of paying or not
paying your child support, but another example of how the government
wants to track every individual through daily transactions! This was
done AT THE CASH REGISTER at Academy in Webster, TX.
Where will it stop? Will we have to give our SS# for everything we do
from now on, so our every action and move will be recorded in the big
government computers? Just reinforces my decision to leave the country
and go cruising elsewhere in the world. I'm thinking that being able to
run my SS# through the government's computers at a cash register is
getting a little too intrusive. Ok, getting down off my soapbox for now.
--
__________________
Keith
'No, `Eureka' is Greek for `This bath is too hot.'' -- Dr. Who
Steve
(I lived abroad for over 10 years) They often gather intelligents on you and
your family every time you turn around.
Also the US may follow your activities while you are cruising off shore if
you have ever held a high security clearance and worked in any sensitive
areas. I know I had to report my travels and activities even after I retired
from the Navy. (They don't bother me anymore, I'm to ancient to be of
interest to any spy.)
My experience and opinion, FWIW.
Steve
s/v Good Intentions
Doug Dotson
stuff going on now. The government does seem to have a
propensity for catching criminals though. I think that is a
good thing. I was a good boy and always made my support
payments. Be glad you can carry your gun around it you want
to in Texas. Here in the People's Republic of Maryland we don't
have that basic right.
doug
BoatNut
"Keith" <klem...@airmail.net> wrote in message
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t...
Thank the deadbeat dads who have failed to follow through on their
financial obligations to their children.
I have no problem with agencies taking whatever action they can to
get these deadbeats to start paying, even if it means some intrusion
into my life or some inconvenience to me.
Calif Bill
clerk in the store. One of the easiest ways for ID theft is to know the SS#
and birthdate. Both are available to the clerk. Your Birthdate is on the
license, and now he has the SS#. Used to have to give your SS# here in
Calif for cashing checks. State made that illegal.
Bill
BoatNut wrote in message ...
Steve Weingart
news:9sudut$1af$1...@slb5.atl.mindspring.net:
[snip]
> I have a major problem with having to give your Social Security number
> to a clerk in the store. One of the easiest ways for ID theft is to
> know the SS# and birthdate. Both are available to the clerk. Your
> Birthdate is on the license, and now he has the SS#. Used to have to
> give your SS# here in Calif for cashing checks. State made that
> illegal. Bill
>
[snip]
Yup, thre is an interesting point there... AFAIK, federal law prohibits
using the SS# for anything but federal use, they even made universities taht
get federal monies stop using teh SS# as ID's, and in the medical insurance
game, if you disclose someone's SS# in public, HCFA can have you rbutt in a
sling.
I think that TX can't really enforce this without risking a federal
spanking.
OTOH, I agree with Boatnut in that deadbeat parents should get grabbed...
--
Steve (remove anti spam XYX in return address for correct email)
http://www.gulf-stream.net
Harry Krause
I must have missed it...what state did you say? Oh...Texas...
bb
>
>Thank the deadbeat dads who have failed to follow through on their
>financial obligations to their children.
>
I've got no problem with forcing dads to pay up for their kids. I'd
also like to see some accountability on the moms part.
bb
Curtis CCR
This is one of the primary reasons for my opposition for requiring
boaters to be LICENSED. While I will not debate the merits of of
tracking down deadbeat parents - this is an example of how the
government takes advantage of the privileges they control.
A license is nothing more than permission, in this case from the
government, to exercise a privilege. And since its a privilege, not a
right, they can hang just about any conditions on it they want.
Whatever the "good cause of the month" is. Even conditions unrelated
to the privilege.
w4...@home.com
Identification Number) from the FCC and sign-on to their computer
system. Before any kind of license can be issued, the FCC scans the
IRS database to see if all your taxes are paid and there is no ongoing
audit that has not been cleared up to the bureaucrats' satisfaction.
If that is OK, FCC scans the "wanted" lists of CIA, FBI and the
national law enforcement databases to see if there are any
wants/warrants/unpaid tickets out on your sorry a$$. If that's clear,
THEN they start thinking about issuing you a license........
There were a LOT of licensees who owed the IRS million$.
larry W4CSC, TAXES PAID!
On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 07:58:23 -0600, Keith <klem...@airmail.net>
wrote:
thunder
<m...@nospam.net> wrote:
> Thank the deadbeat dads who have failed to follow through on their
> financial obligations to their children.
>
> I have no problem with agencies taking whatever action they can to
> get these deadbeats to start paying, even if it means some intrusion
> into my life or some inconvenience to me.
Seems to me, all this does is keep them from fishing legally. As for
the privacy of all the non-deadbeat dads . . .
Harry Krause
>
> In order to get any kind of FCC license, you must get a TID (taxpayer
> Identification Number) from the FCC and sign-on to their computer
> system. Before any kind of license can be issued, the FCC scans the
> IRS database to see if all your taxes are paid and there is no ongoing
> audit that has not been cleared up to the bureaucrats' satisfaction.
> If that is OK, FCC scans the "wanted" lists of CIA, FBI and the
> national law enforcement databases to see if there are any
> wants/warrants/unpaid tickets out on your sorry a$$. If that's clear,
> THEN they start thinking about issuing you a license........
>
> There were a LOT of licensees who owed the IRS million$.
> larry W4CSC, TAXES PAID!
Thought you got a rebate...
BoatNut
"thunder" <thu...@gti.net> wrote in message
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Every time you pay for a purchase at a store they ask for and record
your drivers license number and possibly your social security number.
Both are on drivers licenses in Ohio. You show that same license
when you check in at the counter when flying. You show it when
making a large credit card purchase. You always had to show some
proof of identification when purchasing a fishing license. You have
to show your license when purchasing a fire arm. Your bank most
likely has it. Your employer has it and all the people in the
personnel department has access to it. You had to show it when you
were younger and buying beer or drinks at a bar or beverage store.
I don't quite understand the concern. If you think that your social
security number is private and cannot be accessed by people or
agencies you do not know you are living in la-la land.
So are you equally as worried about some minimum wage clerk at K Mart
having your credit card number?
BoatNut
"Every time you pay for a purchase at a store they ask for and record
| your drivers license number and possibly your social security
number."
It should actually say purchase with a personal check.
Curtis CCR
> "Calif Bill" <bmckee...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
> news:9sudut$1af$1...@slb5.atl.mindspring.net:
>
> [snip]
>
> > I have a major problem with having to give your Social Security number
> > to a clerk in the store. One of the easiest ways for ID theft is to
> > know the SS# and birthdate. Both are available to the clerk. Your
> > Birthdate is on the license, and now he has the SS#. Used to have to
> > give your SS# here in Calif for cashing checks. State made that
> > illegal. Bill
> >
> [snip]
>
> Yup, thre is an interesting point there... AFAIK, federal law prohibits
> using the SS# for anything but federal use, they even made universities taht
> get federal monies stop using teh SS# as ID's, and in the medical insurance
> game, if you disclose someone's SS# in public, HCFA can have you rbutt in a
> sling.
>
> I think that TX can't really enforce this without risking a federal
> spanking.
I think they can get away with it. SSNs are used at the state level
all the time (maybe not in TX since they don't have income tax). They
are in the clear if they provide a privacy statement. Something like
-
"Social Security numbers are used on this application to determine
eligibility for a fishing license under the TX Deadbeat Parent Act...
(I made up the name of the "act" for an example... and then they could
list other things they might use the number for). Disclosure of your
social security number is voluntary, however failure to provide it may
result in delay or denial of your license."
I've signed a hundreds of documents like that. Most say disclosure is
voluntary - but if you don't, you may not get the etitlement, benefit
or what ever you are looking for. Of course I have signed forms that
say it's mandatory - we have to participate and this is the number we
use.
Kevin Rudzinski
another question they ask when your getting your license, no big deal
"Keith" <klem...@airmail.net> wrote in message
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Calif Bill
Bill
BoatNut wrote in message ...
>
Scott
Washington in August. I was offended with providing my SSN and e-mailed the
director (gotta love the internet :)
>>> "Scott Powell" <sjabp...@home.com> 08/09/01 06:56AM >>>
Just a note to express that while I appreciate the technology that your
department is now utilizing to process licenses, the requirement of a social
security number is an unnecessary invasion of privacy. In this day and age
of stolen identities and credit fraud I find this offensive. Your department
cannot guarantee the security of the information that is kept in a "wired
environment." It's also unnecessary as this information can be obtained
from the Department of Licensing via the drivers license number required.
Social security numbers were not introduced for this purpose and I am
offended...
Thank you for your time.
>>>>
Thank you for your letter to the Director of the Washington Department of
Fish and Wildlife regarding providing your Social Security Numbers (SSN) in
order to purchase a recreational fishing license. T
The federal government passed a law in 1998 under US Code 42 (666) paragraph
13 that states:
"The social security number of any applicant for a professional licenses,
drivers license, occupational license, recreational license, or marriage
license be recorded on the application for purposes of subparagraph A. If a
state allows the use of a number other than the social security number to be
used on the face of the document while the social security number is kept on
file at the agency, the state shall so advise any applicants."
A similar law was passed by the Washington State Legislature RCW 26.23.150.
The Legislature also passed RCW 77.32.014 that invalidates fishing and
hunting licenses purchased when the licensee is in violation of their child
support requirements. It also prohibits the Department from issuing
licenses to persons whose name appears on the list of parents six months or
more behind on their child support payments.
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife began implementing the
federal and state requirements described above when the new automated
license vending system was launched on March 1, 2001. The contractor
providing the automated system is MCI WorldCom Inc. In order to implement
the new laws, the Department programmed the computers to require social
security numbers from all persons who are citizens of the United States and
over the age of 14.
We have also taken steps to protect your social security number. The first
time you obtain a license under the new system you will be asked to provide
your social security number and to verify that number so that it is correct.
Thereafter, whenever you return to purchase another license, the SSN no
longer appears on the screen and is hidden from clerks and department
employees. They cannot view the number and they cannot access the number
from their terminals. The SSN resides in a database and is checked against
a list of names and social security numbers of parents who are six months or
more behind on the child support payments as provided by the Department of
Social and Health Services' Child Support Division on a daily basis. If
there is a match, the person attempting to purchase the license will not be
allowed to obtain a recreational fishing or hunting license until their name
has been removed from the child support list.
The Department has placed into the contract with MCI WorldCom monetary
penalties if any private information is sold or otherwise leaked or used by
anyone without the Department's permission. Also MCI stands to lose
substantial profits if the confidentiality of their databases are placed in
question. They also have contracts with other states containing sensitive
information.
The State Legislature has passed a bill this session that makes illegal the
dispersal of information from our license database to anyone except for law
enforcement and child support cases.
I hope this helps answer your questions and explains the laws and how we are
enforcing them.
Sincerely,
Les Brodie, Acting Manager
Licensing Division
BoatNut
"Calif Bill" <bmckee...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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|
| BoatNut wrote in message ...
| >
| >"thunder" <thu...@gti.net> wrote in message
| >news:HOBI7.35381$lV4.4...@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com...
| >| In article <s3yI7.26541$4W.2...@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net>,
| >"BoatNut"
| >| <m...@nospam.net> wrote:
| >|
| >|
| >| > Thank the deadbeat dads who have failed to follow through on
| >their
| >| > financial obligations to their children.
| >| >
| >| > I have no problem with agencies taking whatever action they
can
| >to
| >| > get these deadbeats to start paying, even if it means some
| >intrusion
| >| > into my life or some inconvenience to me.
| >|
| >| Seems to me, all this does is keep them from fishing legally.
As
| >for
| >| the privacy of all the non-deadbeat dads . . .
| >
| >
they ask for and record
| >your drivers license number and possibly your social security
number.
| >Both are on drivers licenses in Ohio. You show that same license
| >when you check in at the counter when flying. You show it when
| >making a large credit card purchase. You always had to show some
| >proof of identification when purchasing a fishing license. You
have
| >to show your license when purchasing a fire arm. Your bank most
| >likely has it. Your employer has it and all the people in the
| >personnel department has access to it. You had to show it when
you
| >were younger and buying beer or drinks at a bar or beverage store.
| >
| >I don't quite understand the concern. If you think that your
social
| >security number is private and cannot be accessed by people or
| >agencies you do not know you are living in la-la land.
| >
| >So are you equally as worried about some minimum wage clerk at K
Mart
| >having your credit card number?
| >
| >
| >
| >
DL.
| Bill
The big picture is that:
1. We give out personal information every day without thinking twice
about it.
2. Agencies and individuals have access to all our information. Did
you ever see the results of a credit check? Do you know how
relatively easy it is to get set up to run them on others?
3. What is it that people are afraid of by having an agency use your
social security number for a background check? ID theft? That is
pretty easy to do already. Financial theft? Your credit card is not
secured because even the 16 year old clerk at the local K-Mart has
access to that information.
Grocery stores are giving out "bonus cards". To get one you have to
provide personal information. The sole purpose of that card is to
track your purchasing habits.
I guess I don't understand the paranoia. We are at the point of no
return already. The concern and outrage should have happened years
ago.
Keith
private. I have an "alternate" ss number that I use as an ID number for
folks who insist on one and really don't need it. For instance, my scuba
certification. They wanted a SS# strictly for an ID number. I just gave
them another number that matched the pattern, they were fine with that.
Guess I'll find out if anyone runs it and it doesn't match. Then I'll be
wondering what they were doing with it. Also, every time I go to a
doctor or medical group, they always want a SS# and I don't give it out.
They told me it was the insurance company that required it; I called the
insurance company (Aetna) and they said "hogwash."
BTW, here a some privacy links that folks might find interesting/useful:
http://privacyrights.org/
http://www.privacy.net/
http://www.cdt.org/
--
__________________
Keith
"Today's greatest labor saving device is tomorrow." - Tom Wilson
Doug Dotson
Doug Dotson
they allow internet access from there?
doug
Steve
guards to protect the SS number and is only using the information to allow
state agents to track down deadbeat dads (or moms, I would hope).
My opinion, FWIW.
Steve (always current on child support)
s/v Good Intentions
Doug Dotson
paranoid.
doug
Keith
--
__________________
Keith
Abandon all hope, all ye who enter here.
Steve
Steve
Robert Dimond
One. I don't care for the big bother mentality of using the SSN or DMV
numbers or other personal information to track everthing you do.
Especially if these activities are done without your consent. Deadbeat
parents are a shame to our society, especially to the non-custodial
parents who do care about their kids; however, until the government is
willing to acknowledge AND ENFORCE the rights of the non-custodial
parents, while making sure there is some fiscal accountability to ensure
that support monies are actually being spent on the child, then they
should keep there greasy little hands off the whole matter, let alone use
matters which compromise or abandon an individuals rights.
Two. An experience to share about getting personal information. I was at
a video game exchange outlet known as Funcoland buying a cartridge for my
daughter. Not only was the punk salesman obnoxious in his insistance that
I buy game cartridge and console cleaning kits (or face dire consequences
of either failing), when I went to ring the purchase up he querried me on
my Name, address and phone number. I told him that I consider this to be
personal information, and I did not wish to disclose it, he then said that
it was needed for the warranty and return policies. I told him that I am
paying cash and therefore if I return it I expect cash back, i don't want
this personal information to be taken or used. The 17 year old "expert"
assured me that the information obtained would not be sold or used, and
that it was the store policy citing "there's nothing I can do". I smiled
and said well make sure to tell your boss that this store policy cost them
a present and future customer. How's that for unnecessary intrusion on
your privacy, to pay cash and still be coerced into giving person and in
my case unlisted information!
BoatNut
"Robert Dimond" <sailbad_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| > > | BoatNut wrote in message ...
| > > | >| > Thank the deadbeat dads who have failed to follow
|
While I can understand your hesitation to have to provide that
information on a cash purchase, your name, address and possibly your
phone number is on every personal check you write.
Check out this link to know what rights you have regarding your
social security number:
http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10002.html
Bob Hesse
does NOT
contain my SS number. Listing SS No. on Ohio licenses is optional
Bob
BoatNut
"Bob Hesse" <he...@thecourier.com> wrote in message
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| BoatNut wrote:
|
| >
| >
| > Every time you use a personal check to pay for a purchase at a
store they ask for and record
| > your drivers license number and possibly your social security
number.
| > Both are on drivers licenses in Ohio. You show that same license
| > when you check in at the counter when flying. You show it when
| > making a large credit card purchase. You always had to show some
| > proof of identification when purchasing a fishing license. You
have
| > to show your license when purchasing a fire arm. Your bank most
| > likely has it. Your employer has it and all the people in the
| > personnel department has access to it. You had to show it when
you
| > were younger and buying beer or drinks at a bar or beverage
store.
| >
| > I don't quite understand the concern. If you think that your
social
| > security number is private and cannot be accessed by people or
| > agencies you do not know you are living in la-la land.
| >
| > So are you equally as worried about some minimum wage clerk at K
Mart
| > having your credit card number?
|
| Boy I hate to risk your quick temper again, but MY Ohio driver's
license
| does NOT
| contain my SS number. Listing SS No. on Ohio licenses is optional
|
| Bob
|
|
Mine does. I was never given an option. Mine renews next year and
will test your claim.
BoatNut
I thought you kill filed me because you got your shorts in a knot
over our last discussion.
Calif Bill
the Social Security act states the SS number and card is not for
identification purposes. And you must not be aware of the problems that ID
theft are having. I got a bill from a dentist in Paso Robles for someone
else, using my SS #. Court just tossed a case against TRW for ID theft as
the statute of limitations had run out, but the lady did not know it was TRW
who had given out the info. When someone runs up $50k to a $million in debt
on your ID, then come back and explain why we should not be worried about ID
theft.
Bill
Doug Dotson wrote in message <3BF3D828...@digidata.com>...
Doug Dotson
Doug Dotson
It is intended to be spent to try and maintain a standard of living
comparable to that existing prior to the breakup. Like making
mortgage payments, etc. Of course some of it ends up going
directly to the child in the form of food, clothing, etc. Accountability
just isn't practical.
I'm sure that clerk won't miss your business in the future. The warranty
is for your benefit and they can;t honor a warranty if they don't know
who you are.
doug
Doug Dotson
to have someone else name and/or address to do quite a bit of damage.
doug
Doug Dotson
belongs to a real somebody and that somebody is eventually
going to suffer the pain of having their ID snatched.
doug
Keith
pattern XXX-XX-XXXX, you can give them any old number as long as you
remember it. That's not against the law. Now, if they take that number
and try to use it as a SS# for some reason other than an ID number,
they're breaking the law, not me. Anyone that has a legal reason to need
my SS# gets it. It's just that so many people want your SS# as an ID
number, then it gets compromised, stolen, misused, etc. That's what I'm
talking about.
--
__________________
Keith
Your job is still better than asking: "You want fries with that?"
Robert Dimond
<ddo...@digidata.com> wrote:
> Ensuring that the support is spent on the child doesn't make sense.
> It is intended to be spent to try and maintain a standard of living
> comparable to that existing prior to the breakup. Like making
> mortgage payments, etc. Of course some of it ends up going
> directly to the child in the form of food, clothing, etc. Accountability
> just isn't practical.
>
If the court can create a schedule to tell a non custodial parent exactly
how much money they have to pay they can just as easily adopt a schedule
to determine roughly how those monies are spent. Granted, I don't see a
practical way for the courts to actually police the schedule, but it
should be on the books so that a non-custodial parent *CAN* take a parent
to court and insure that their child (and not the parent) benefits from
their support.
In some cases a tremendous ammount of money is paid based solely on the
incomes of the parents, but the child sees little benefit. Currently
money paid by any non-custodial parent goes into a hole that can be used
for the childs housing, healthcare, food or sitter OR for payments on the
parents new sports car, nights at the bar, and cigarettes. Any custodial
parent receiving a thousand dollars a month can opt to buy their child
MacDonalds and thrift store clothes and use the rest for their purposes.
This means we have a system in place to insure the non-custodial parent
pays a court ordered ammount towards the support of their child, but no
system to actually insure ONE PENNY of those monies actually get spent (or
saved) on the child's behalf, and you think MY Point of view doesn't make
sense?
Call me naieve, but I feel the term child support should mean money spent
on the child, directly, with food ONLY exception to strict accountability.
> I'm sure that clerk won't miss your business in the future. The warranty
> is for your benefit and they can;t honor a warranty if they don't know
> who you are.
And what year and/or planet do you shop at? Hear on earth, I can pay
cash at Target, K-Mart, Wal-Mart, and every other retailer I've
encountered without having to give my personal information to have the
OPTION of returning defective or unopened merchandise. It is only when I
exercise the option to return something that I might have to give *SOME*
information. Even then, it has never been to the degree that Funcoland
required at the time of the purchase.
Can't help but wonder, were you the snotty little kid who waited on me at
Funcoland ;^)
Rich Hampel
identity is stolen.
I dont care who wants it' but noone but an employer, or a taxing entity
gets my SSN to couple with my address and DOB. Anyone else I simply
tell them that Im in the Federal Witness Protection Program and
therefore I dont have a SSN - and most believe this!!!!!!!
Once a crook gets your SSN, DOB and matches it with your address, youre
going to have the financial hassle of your life - been there and Im not
ever going to let it happen again.
RGrew176
>Let us all know and we will come visit you in Federal Prison. Do
>they allow internet access from there?
>
>doug
>
>Keith wrote:
>> Agreed. However, I can still at least try to keep some of my info.
>> private. I have an "alternate" ss number that I use as an ID number for
>> folks who insist on one and really don't need it. For instance, my scuba
Do you think it strange for one to have a 2nd ID? Lots of us have them and
there are good reasons for doing so.
151 days to go..
Gould 0738
Applicant is not legally required to give it,
but lender isn't legally required to grant credit, either. :-)
________
Chuck Gould
Float and let float.
Doug Dotson
have almost no rights. Been there, done that. My support
payments ended last March, Yeah! Now I just have to get
them through college :)
Sorry, I haven't been a snotty little kid for many years. I'd
never work at a place called Funckyland anyway :)
doug
David Smalley
>
> Prison? For what? Not giving out my ss# unless legally required to?
For impersonating someone else.
> Doug Dotson wrote:
> >
> > Let us all know and we will come visit you in Federal Prison. Do
> > they allow internet access from there?
> >
> > doug
> >
> > Keith wrote:
> >
> > > Agreed. However, I can still at least try to keep some of my info.
> > > private. I have an "alternate" ss number that I use as an ID number for
> > > folks who insist on one and really don't need it. For instance, my scuba
> > > certification. They wanted a SS# strictly for an ID number. I just gave
> > > them another number that matched the pattern, they were fine with that.
Gordon Zumach
"Doug Dotson" <ddo...@digidata.com> wrote in message
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Naw. Just ask Bill Clinton!
G
Gordon Zumach
"Karl Denninger" <ka...@FS.Denninger.net> wrote in message
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>
> In article <3BF40B69...@digidata.com>,
> there is a legal requirement to give it out in the first place.
>
> You are under no obligation to give truthful information to most of the
> people who ask for it.
>
Correct again, just ask Bill Clinton.
G
Michael Schoonertrash
going by a 'name' are gone. Just refer to yourself as Comrade XXX-XX-XXXX.
Hell you probably still believe in the Bill of Rights too. It ain't Kansas
anymore Toto and hasn't been for quite a while. The type of question you
should be asking is where the capital of North America is going to be sited.
"Keith" <klem...@airmail.net> wrote in message
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> Went to get my new fishing license yesterday (Texas.) Found out that
> they've passed a new law now...you have to give them your social
> security number so they can run it through the computers and see if
> you're behind on your child support before they can give you a fishing
> license! This isn't a comment on the desirability of paying or not
> paying your child support, but another example of how the government
> wants to track every individual through daily transactions! This was
> done AT THE CASH REGISTER at Academy in Webster, TX.
>
> Where will it stop? Will we have to give our SS# for everything we do
> from now on, so our every action and move will be recorded in the big
> government computers? Just reinforces my decision to leave the country
> and go cruising elsewhere in the world. I'm thinking that being able to
> run my SS# through the government's computers at a cash register is
> getting a little too intrusive. Ok, getting down off my soapbox for now.
> --
> __________________
> Keith
> 'No, `Eureka' is Greek for `This bath is too hot.'' -- Dr. Who
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Scott
available though the department of licensing and the two agencies surely can
communicate if needed.
I agree with Bill. The less available your information is, the safer you
are against fraud.
AND, regardless of the new laws and interpretations that lawmakers are
implementing, this is not the intended use of SSN's.
"Doug Dotson" <ddo...@digidata.com> wrote in message
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> Guess they showed you :)
>
>
> Scott wrote:
>
> > Funny this topic should come up...Pasting my e-mail and response to
State of
> > Washington in August. I was offended with providing my SSN and e-mailed
the
> > director (gotta love the internet :)
> >
> > >>> "Scott Powell" <sjabp...@home.com> 08/09/01 06:56AM >>>
> > Just a note to express that while I appreciate the technology that your
> > department is now utilizing to process licenses, the requirement of a
social
> > security number is an unnecessary invasion of privacy. In this day and
age
> > of stolen identities and credit fraud I find this offensive. Your
department
> > cannot guarantee the security of the information that is kept in a
"wired
> > environment." It's also unnecessary as this information can be obtained
> > from the Department of Licensing via the drivers license number
required.
> > Social security numbers were not introduced for this purpose and I am
> > offended...
> >
> > Thank you for your time.
> > >>>>
> > Thank you for your letter to the Director of the Washington Department
of
> > Fish and Wildlife regarding providing your Social Security Numbers (SSN)
in
> > order to purchase a recreational fishing license. T
> >
> > The federal government passed a law in 1998 under US Code 42 (666)
paragraph
> > 13 that states:
> >
> > "The social security number of any applicant for a professional
licenses,
> > drivers license, occupational license, recreational license, or marriage
> > license be recorded on the application for purposes of subparagraph A.
If a
> > state allows the use of a number other than the social security number
to be
> > used on the face of the document while the social security number is
kept on
> > file at the agency, the state shall so advise any applicants."
> >
> > A similar law was passed by the Washington State Legislature RCW
26.23.150.
> > The Legislature also passed RCW 77.32.014 that invalidates fishing and
> > hunting licenses purchased when the licensee is in violation of their
child
> > support requirements. It also prohibits the Department from issuing
> > licenses to persons whose name appears on the list of parents six months
or
> > more behind on their child support payments.
> >
> > The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife began implementing the
> > federal and state requirements described above when the new automated
> > license vending system was launched on March 1, 2001. The contractor
> > providing the automated system is MCI WorldCom Inc. In order to
implement
> > the new laws, the Department programmed the computers to require social
> > security numbers from all persons who are citizens of the United States
and
> > over the age of 14.
> >
> > We have also taken steps to protect your social security number. The
first
> > time you obtain a license under the new system you will be asked to
provide
> > your social security number and to verify that number so that it is
correct.
> > Thereafter, whenever you return to purchase another license, the SSN no
> > longer appears on the screen and is hidden from clerks and department
> > employees. They cannot view the number and they cannot access the
number
> > from their terminals. The SSN resides in a database and is checked
against
> > a list of names and social security numbers of parents who are six
months or
> > more behind on the child support payments as provided by the Department
of
> > Social and Health Services' Child Support Division on a daily basis. If
> > there is a match, the person attempting to purchase the license will not
be
> > allowed to obtain a recreational fishing or hunting license until their
name
> > has been removed from the child support list.
> >
> > The Department has placed into the contract with MCI WorldCom monetary
> > penalties if any private information is sold or otherwise leaked or used
by
> > anyone without the Department's permission. Also MCI stands to lose
> > substantial profits if the confidentiality of their databases are placed
in
> > question. They also have contracts with other states containing
sensitive
> > information.
> >
> > The State Legislature has passed a bill this session that makes illegal
the
> > dispersal of information from our license database to anyone except for
law
> > enforcement and child support cases.
> >
> > I hope this helps answer your questions and explains the laws and how we
are
> > enforcing them.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Les Brodie, Acting Manager
> > Licensing Division
>
Scott
> One. I don't care for the big bother mentality of using the SSN or DMV
> numbers or other personal information to track everthing you do.
> Especially if these activities are done without your consent. Deadbeat
> parents are a shame to our society, especially to the non-custodial
> parents who do care about their kids; however, until the government is
> willing to acknowledge AND ENFORCE the rights of the non-custodial
> parents, while making sure there is some fiscal accountability to ensure
> that support monies are actually being spent on the child, then they
> should keep there greasy little hands off the whole matter, let alone use
> matters which compromise or abandon an individuals rights.
>
AMEN!!!!!!!!
Scott
> Ensuring that the support is spent on the child doesn't make sense.
> It is intended to be spent to try and maintain a standard of living
> comparable to that existing prior to the breakup. Like making
> mortgage payments, etc. Of course some of it ends up going
> directly to the child in the form of food, clothing, etc. Accountability
> just isn't practical.
>
You obviously don't pay child support...
> I'm sure that clerk won't miss your business in the future. The warranty
> is for your benefit and they can;t honor a warranty if they don't know
> who you are.
>
1) The business is doubtfully the one supporting the warranty, unless it's
an extended warranty. Therefore, the business has no need to have this
information if the customer refuses.
2) By law, you cannot be denied warranty benefits for failure to "register"
a product purchase.
Scott
> I'd also like to see some accountability on the moms part.
>
Maybe THEY should be required to give their SSN at every store...LOL
Doug Dotson
frustration of not having control over where the money goes.
Lawyer said just get used to it. Unless you have some reason
to believe the children are somehow suffering as a result of
misuse of the money, you have no recourse. But then again
if the children are living well then the support is working. It
may be spent differently than you would like but that is the
downside of losing the custody war.
doug
Doug Dotson
much those enjoyed by everybody else WRT the child. That being, none.
Fortunately my ex and I are civil human beings and cared enough about
the kids well being to work together even though she had legal full
custody. Unfortunately, not all parents are able to make that work and
it's the kids that suffer. Especially hard when one or other parent
picks up a new partner.
doug
Scott
> When you become the non-custodial parent, your rights become pretty
> much those enjoyed by everybody else WRT the child. That being, none.
> Fortunately my ex and I are civil human beings and cared enough about
> the kids well being to work together even though she had legal full
> custody. Unfortunately, not all parents are able to make that work and
> it's the kids that suffer. Especially hard when one or other parent
> picks up a new partner.
>
> doug
>
Hadn't read down yet last night regarding you paying support etc. :)
Too make a long story short....The main difference in your situation is you
were married and divorced. In my situation I was young and stupid and met a
women who wanted a child, unbeknown to me. Well it became known to me...SIX
years later when the state sued me for BACK child support! By then I was
happily married with one of my two children from current marriage. The
court system and the mother screwed me just in just about every way you can
possibly be screwed. So do I harbor some ill feelings? Well, yes. Now if
I was to get divorced from my current wife it would be an entirely different
situation and would undoubtedly be done amicably.
For the record, this is not why I am opposed to the SSN thing with fishing
licenses. I pay support, am current, and understand what they are trying to
accomplish. I just don't agree with how they are tying to accomplish it.
>
> Scott wrote:
>
> > > One. I don't care for the big bother mentality of using the SSN or
DMV
> > > numbers or other personal information to track everthing you do.
> > > Especially if these activities are done without your consent.
Deadbeat
> > > parents are a shame to our society, especially to the non-custodial
> > > parents who do care about their kids; however, until the government
is
> > > willing to acknowledge AND ENFORCE the rights of the non-custodial
> > > parents, while making sure there is some fiscal accountability to
ensure
> > > that support monies are actually being spent on the child, then they
> > > should keep there greasy little hands off the whole matter, let alone
use
> > > matters which compromise or abandon an individuals rights.
> > >
I didn't write this snip above. I just agreed with it as below.
> >
> > AMEN!!!!!!!!
>
Scott
"Anonymous" <anon...@anonymous.anonymous> wrote in message
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> This all belongs in a different newsgroup, say, alt.privacy. But then,
having a
> boat does eneable you to get away from it for awhile.
>
Agreed, but a great string nonetheless. :)
Doug Dotson
that way. What proof is there that it was your kid?
doug
Doug Dotson
are doing everything they can to protect it though. That's probably
a better deal than some that ask for the SSN do.
doug
Mike M
does not effect just fishing licenses but also any other state issued
license, for example to run a business or drive a car. I can't remember
exactly which year they passed the law but it was about the time my sister's
ex moved out of state.
Funcoland generally sells used video gaming equipment. If the product is
used the store was more than likely supplying the warranty.
I've always been suprised how many people will allow a waiter, bar tender,
or store clerk access to their credit card information. If identity theft
for profit is an issue this seems to be the biggest risk.
Finally it seems that if the government was so interested in the actions of
its people the information is there already. I don't believe they can pull
off that big a conspiracy but if they did would it be difficult to link a SS
#, drivers license #, credit card #, etc. in such a high technology world?
Then they could also link them to the grocery store discount cards and tract
your driving through the "toll tag" on your car.
Anyway Sterling Hayden proved how well the government can control a single
person with a sailboat.
m
Michael Schoonertrash
kept my retirement, and she had to buy out my half of the house. Five more
months and it's all over . . . .
"Doug Dotson" <ddo...@digidata.com> wrote in message
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Doug Dotson
to get the kids through college now.
doug