Threaded Barrel Ruger Mark IV

[Keyser Soze]

It's actually generally available now...the new Mark IV .22LR pistol
with a threaded barrel. Friend got one through a local dealer. Very
lightweight pistol, will be fun to shoot with a suppressor and no ear
protection. :}

I think it is the only Mark IV available now that has a threaded barrel.






http://www.ruger.com/products/markIV2245Lite/models.html

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 13:02:29 -0500, Keyser Soze <no...@jose.com>
wrote:

>
>It's actually generally available now...the new Mark IV .22LR pistol
>with a threaded barrel. Friend got one through a local dealer. Very
>lightweight pistol, will be fun to shoot with a suppressor and no ear
>protection. :}
>

What do you think of the bill working it's way through congress
removing suppressors from NFA34?
If that happens I bet we will see cans in the $40-50 range with the
real good ones up in the $200 range.
The open question is how the law will affect a home built.
You can make a very servicable .22rf can with stuff you can find in a
construction dumpster or < $10 at the home depot if you are not into
dumopster diving

[Keyser Soze]

I don't have a problem easing the requirements on suppressors, but I do
think there still should be some regulations, such as some sort of
license on hand to have one. But nothing ardous. Also, I think the
technology ought to be limited to ensure that future suppressors still
allow some noticeable amount of sound to be heard. My "Sparrow"
suppressor on a .22LR firearm doesn't silence the weapons, but it does
allow them to be used without ear protection. That seems sufficient.
There's certainly nothing in or about it that requires a $300 to $400
price tag and a $200 tax stamp and a three month administrative waiting
period.

[Poco Deplorevole]

On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 13:02:29 -0500, Keyser Soze <no...@jose.com> wrote:

>

I love my Mark IV. Weren't you dumping on them when I got mine?

[Keyser Söze]

No. I've owned several Mark III's, including that version's model of the
one you have. I thought the "hunter" model was too heavy for target
shooting and the barrel wasn't threaded. Why not that that chip off your
shoulder and stop trying to insult with you every post.

--
Posted with my iPhone 7+.

[Poco Deplorevole]

You reap what you sow.

Have you decided to knock off your name-calling, insults, and other inflammatory activities?

[Keyser Soze]

On 1/26/17 8:29 AM, justan wrote:
> Keyser Soze <no...@jose.com> Wrote in message:

> The mobstas will be happy to know that.
>

Why would they care? A suppressor doesn't make a firearm silent.

[Its Me]

No, but it makes them fade into ambient noise. My air powered framing nailer is *much* louder that my Spectre II with some Gemtech ammo.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 06:51:26 -0500, Keyser Soze <no...@jose.com>

The current suppressors are probably as good as they will get. There
is no such thing as a silencer.
I an still not sure why anyone would need a license for one. What does
that accomplish? It is just another tax.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 09:41:23 -0500, Keyser Soze <no...@jose.com>
wrote:

Maybe it would cut down in medicaid claims for hearing loss.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 08:14:12 -0800 (PST), Its Me <345...@gmail.com>
wrote:

If I am inside I use hearing protection when I use my framing nailer.
It is similar to a suppressed center fire tho.

[Keyser Soze]

> Might you use a thredded barrel to mount a silencer?
>

That's the usual way but not the only way. There are pistols coming out
that have integrated suppressors. The correct term is suppressor, by the
way. These devices do not silence a firearm.

[Keyser Soze]

> What does it do then?
>
Typically it quiets the shot down so that you do not have to wear ear
protection. If you can combine the suppressor with subsonic ammo, it
quiets the process down even more.

This vid might help:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKGXW5tp71Q

This is with a .22LR. Bigger calibers are not so quiet.

[Bill]

I bet the suppressor the US Marshal and other government agencies use are
quiet for the first few shots.

[Keyser Soze]

What are they using, and with what pistols?

[Poco Deplorevole]

In common usage, the word 'silence' does not necessarily mean 'total and complete' silence. You
would like to silence those who call you a liar. That doesn't mean to totally shut them up, but to
reduce some of their noise.

A noise suppressor is used to quiet a weapon, therefore the term 'silencer'. The 'suppressor' found
on most military guns is there to suppress the flash. You, when referring to your suppressor, should
identify which type it is. Is it a noise suppressor (a 'silencer') or a flash suppressor?

Why don't you try not being such a hard ass?

[Alex]

Yeah Poco, "why not" that chip off your shoulder and stop trying to
insult "with you" every post? And start recommending lighter guns for
the resident pansy.

Where is Donnie for these horrendous typos??

[Alex]

A good one with subsonic ammo is quieter than dropping an empty soda can
on a hardwood floor.

[Alex]

> Might you use a thredded barrel to mount a silencer?

Only if it's not internally suppressed.

[Bill]

Top of the line stuff probably. Good for 4-5 shots.

[waynebatr...@hotmail.com]

===

Much quieter, at least for a .22 - about the same sound as manually
cycling the bolt. With standard ammo you still get the sharp crack
from the bullet breaking the sound barrier.

[Keyser Soze]

You really are in a dense fog. I like heavy pistols and revolvers. I
wouldn't buy a polymer pistol *except* in .22LR for informal target
shooting. There's no real advantage to an extra heavy .22LR pistol for
informal target shooting.

[Keyser Soze]

Oh, really? Got some examples that demonstrate that?

[Keyser Soze]

How many internally suppressed pistols do you own?

[Keyser Soze]

Like what?

[Keyser Soze]

CCI Standard Ammo in .22LR is subsonic, so it doesn't break the sound
barrier.

[Bill]

Here is an article on military suppressors.
https://warisboring.com/navy-seals-like-their-quiet-pistols-b902df735a06#.anvtv5hhp

Another with prices. They seem to be rather expensive hardware.
http://www.surefire.com/tactical-equipment/sound-suppressors/rifle-carbine-suppressors.html

[gfre...@aol.com]

Why do you think that? These things last hundreds of shots before they
start degrading. Obviously caliber makes a difference but Harry's .22
can should last 1000 rounds or more with standard velocity ammo before
he is ordering an internal rebuild kit. I have seen the PVC and milk
bottle cap suppressor go well over 100 without serious degradation
with .22rf.
There was a guy at the range with a suppressed select fire MP5 who
probably fired 500 rounds that day.
The can was smoking.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 21:22:46 -0500, waynebatr...@hotmail.com
wrote:

>Much quieter, at least for a .22 - about the same sound as manually
>cycling the bolt. With standard ammo you still get the sharp crack
>from the bullet breaking the sound barrier.

That crack is still going to be down range.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 21:32:40 -0500, Keyser Soze <no...@jose.com>
wrote:

I would describe the sound of a decent suppressed .22rf more like a
CO2 gun or a 18 ga brad nailer.
It would be interesting to compare one with my 16d framing nailer but
that would be more like a .45 or maybe even a center fire rifle.
My bet is the nailer has higher db numbers.
I think that nailer may be louder than .22 shorts in a rifle.

[Bill]

I figured the sound would start getting louder, noticeable after a few
shots. They only need a few shots in silence. Once it becomes a war, no
need for silence.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 06:10:41 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:

><gfre...@aol.com> wrote:

>>> Top of the line stuff probably. Good for 4-5 shots.
>>
>> Why do you think that? These things last hundreds of shots before they
>> start degrading. Obviously caliber makes a difference but Harry's .22
>> can should last 1000 rounds or more with standard velocity ammo before
>> he is ordering an internal rebuild kit. I have seen the PVC and milk
>> bottle cap suppressor go well over 100 without serious degradation
>> with .22rf.
>> There was a guy at the range with a suppressed select fire MP5 who
>> probably fired 500 rounds that day.
>> The can was smoking.
>>
>
>I figured the sound would start getting louder, noticeable after a few
>shots. They only need a few shots in silence. Once it becomes a war, no
>need for silence.

These things are all expensive these days because if you are going
through all that paperwork and be locked into a single serial number,
you want something that will last.
The internal baffles are made of pretty robust materials.
As I said, even the plastic one I saw lasted far longer that I would
have guessed and the baffles were milk bottle caps. My buddy says a
quick walk down to the community trash station on recycle day will
fill a bag of new ones. It always scared me to be on the same property
as that illegal can but it was pretty far out in the boonies and I
doubt anyone would ever find him.
He had it press fit on a bull barrel Ruger "mark" pistol.
If they ever take that $100,000 and ten years in jail thing away I
would make one in a heartbeat.

[Poco Deplorevole]

On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 19:31:17 -0500 (EST), justan <m...@here.com> wrote:

>Poco Deplorevole <salmo...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

>I never considered him to be a hard ass. Terribly misinformed,
> arrogant, conceited, and definately the asshat so noted by the
> moderator of the Maryland Shooters club.

I was returning his compliment to me. But I may have not gotten the phraseology correct.

[Poco Deplorevole]

You mean 'that that' chip? I assumed, since the writer was Harry, and since Harry is extremely
precise, as he's said, that I simply misread that that sentence.

[Poco Deplorevole]

Whoooosh!

[Poco Deplorevole]

Why do you demand answers to such questions? What makes you entitled to a response?

[Keyser Soze]

I took my "Sparrow" silencer apart once to see what was inside. It's
nicely made, but there's nothing about it that's worth more than $50 in
terms of parts and stamping and machining and finishing. It's a nice
piece of goods, but...seriously...way overpriced.

I see it now has a $524 list price:
http://www.silencershop.com/silencerco-ss-sparrow.html

I think it still sells for about $350-375, which is about what I paid a
couple of years ago.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 08:52:06 -0500, Keyser Soze <no...@jose.com>
wrote:

If the HPA passes, I would expect to see these things for $39.95 once
the mass marketers start selling them. The thing that makes them
expensive is the fact that most are virtually hand made. Once they
tool up a factory to bang them out in volume the price will crash.
Unfortunately that factory probably will not be here.

[Alex]

Why the 4-5 shot limitation?

[Alex]

The only fog was in your brain when you typed that abortion of a paragraph.

[Alex]

The video you posted demonstrated that. I have also fired a 22/45 with
a Ruger suppressor and all you can hear is the action cycling.

[Alex]

That wasn't the posters question and there are pistols and rifles that
are internally suppressed.

[Bill]

If I was an agent attacking a group, and had too shoot, after 3-5 shots,
probably no surprise factor left.

[Alex]

Damn. I missed the "that that". Three mistakes in one post and no
Donnie to reprimand him??

[Alex]

You never clean it? You never use it. Or, maybe, it's another lie.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Sat, 28 Jan 2017 03:15:23 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Alex <Xe...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Why the 4-5 shot limitation?
>>
>
>If I was an agent attacking a group, and had too shoot, after 3-5 shots,
>probably no surprise factor left.

The advantage of a suppressed sniper rifle is that you really have a
hard time figuring out where the shots are coming from. That sonic
crack is really pretty omnidirectional down range since the loudest
part is right next to you. If you are close up with a hand gun, there
is really no advantage to a suppressed weapon if there are multiple
opponents, particularly if they are shooting back with unsuppressed
weapons.

[gfre...@aol.com]

On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 22:33:45 -0500, Alex <Xe...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Keyser Soze wrote:

>> I took my "Sparrow" silencer apart once to see what was inside. It's
>> nicely made, but there's nothing about it that's worth more than $50
>> in terms of parts and stamping and machining and finishing. It's a
>> nice piece of goods, but...seriously...way overpriced.
>>
>> I see it now has a $524 list price:
>> http://www.silencershop.com/silencerco-ss-sparrow.html
>>
>> I think it still sells for about $350-375, which is about what I paid
>> a couple of years ago.
>
>You never clean it? You never use it. Or, maybe, it's another lie.

There are plenty of them that do not come apart. They do make tools to
flush them with water or a solvent like mineral spirits but a lot of
manufacturers say they do not need to be cleaned.

[Poco Deplorevole]

Are you talking sound suppression or flash suppression.

[Keyser Soze]

I didn't address cleaning, dummy. I said I took it apart once to see
what was inside. That was when I first got it. D'uh.

[Keyser Soze]

A suppressor for a .22LR needs cleaning because the ammo is so dirty and
leaves behind carbon residue. I cleaned mine at around 500 shots. It
wasn't what I would call filthy inside, but it was dirty.

[Its Me]

The worst offender is tiny splatters of molten lead, not carbon. 500 is a little early, most folks wait until 1000 rounds.

[waynebatr...@hotmail.com]

On Sat, 28 Jan 2017 08:40:03 -0500, Keyser Soze <no...@jose.com>
wrote:

===

That depends entirely on what kind of ammo you shoot.

[Mr. Luddite]

On 1/28/2017 9:16 AM, justan wrote:
> Poco Deplorevole <salmo...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

> According to Harry, there is no distinction.
> It sounds like Greg is referring to sound, aka silencer.
> What is the term for a device or feature that reduces muzzle flip?
>

Strong wrists?

[Keyser Soze]

I mostly shoot CCI Standard Velocity (it's subsonic), and Gemtech
Subsonic. The latter seems a tad cleaner, but it usually runs a couple
of bucks more for 50 rounds and is less easily available. Cleaning the
suppressor is no big deal.

[Keyser Soze]

On 1/28/17 9:16 AM, justan wrote:
> Poco Deplorevole <salmo...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

> According to Harry, there is no distinction.
> It sounds like Greg is referring to sound, aka silencer.
> What is the term for a device or feature that reduces muzzle flip?
>

Are you posting alternative facts again, shit for brains? Sound
suppression and flash suppression aren't the same thing, and
I'veneverclaimed they were. The proper term for the device that cuts the
dBs is a suppressor. If you like, you can call it a sound suppressor.
The device that controls muzzle flip is called a compensator or muzzle
brake.

[Keyser Soze]

Oh, and there are differences between compensators and muzzle brakes,
and you can also control unwanted barrel movement with a ported barrel.

[Poco Deplorevole]

On Sat, 28 Jan 2017 09:16:44 -0500 (EST), justan <m...@here.com> wrote:

>What is the term for a device or feature that reduces muzzle flip

Muzzle brake.

[Poco Deplorevole]

Until you were recently corrected, you'veneverclaimed there was a distinction. If you're referring
to dBs it's a sound suppressor. If you're referring to lumens, it's a flash suppressor.

Get your act together. You're supposed to be 'Mr. Presicion' when it comes to writing, remember?

[Keyser Soze]

On 1/28/17 9:44 AM, justan wrote:
> Keyser Soze <no...@jose.com> Wrote in message:

> Tell that to the gangstas. Especially the ones without a kollich
> edumacasion.
>

Some of them, I'd guess, are capable of learning. You, apparently, are not.

[waynebatr...@hotmail.com]

===

Yes. Here's a very good one:

<https://precisionarmament.com/product/m4-72-tactical-compensator/>

They call it a compensator but it is in fact a muzzle brake.

[Keyser Soze]

You should never travel in SW Florida without a muzzle brake on your M4.

[Keyser Soze]

> I really don't want to listen to you and risk being misinformed.
>

You've already got a terminal case of that disease.

Here's a question for you:

Why is it that your idol, Donald Trump, who had never wanted for
anything, who wondered how he was going to pay for college, someone who
was backed by the generosity of wealthy parents, someone who cycles
through luxury, why is he not grateful? Why is he so angry? Look at his
face. He is tormented, even twisted by his fears, and envy and pride,
despite the evidence and, as he often brags, the rewards of his greed
and gluttony.

Why?

[Its Me]

I can answer that. He's angry at the damage done to the US by the last 8 years of liberal control of this country. He's angry that this once great nation has been brought to its knees by the misguided policies of the left. He's angry at the racial division brought one by the previous inhabitants of the White House. He's on a mission... To Make America Great Again.

[gfre...@aol.com]

Both

[Keyser Soze]

I wasn't asking for Trump Campaign Bullshit.

[Its Me]

But you got the truth. It's a bitch. :)

[Poco Deplorevole]

Why is it that Hillary Clinton, who had never wanted for
anything, who wondered how she was going to pay for college, someone who

was backed by the generosity of wealthy parents, someone who cycles

through luxury, why is she not grateful? Why is she so angry? Look at her
face. She is tormented, even twisted by her fears, and envy and pride,
despite the evidence and on and on...

Why?

Why do you persist with the 'idol' shit. You've accused all here of that, when you know it's not
true. Trump is a narcissistic asshole, similar to you, but he's a hell of a lot better choice than
your idol, Hillary.

Do you get it now? Trump was simply the lesser of two evils. Amen.

[Poco Deplorevole]

You asked and got the truth. The bullshit rhetoric came from Clinton, your hero.

[waynebatr...@hotmail.com]

On Sat, 28 Jan 2017 10:50:12 -0500, Keyser Soze <no...@jose.com>
wrote:

===

You should put a muzzle on that attack dog personality of yours.

[Mr. Luddite]

I don't think it's any more complicated than that. Why is it so hard
for you to grasp?

[Bill]

The original sound deadener was called a "silencer". Maxim of machine gun
fame developed them and named them.

[Bill]

Only difference in life between Trump and your idol Al Gore, was after
being raised in a life of luxury, Trump actually accomplished something.

[Alex]

They are designed to reduce recoil.

[Alex]

Compensators are holes drilled into the barrel usually on both sides of
the front sight:

http://www.gunlistings.org/uploads/l2_pistols_taurus_model_669cp_revolver_stainless_.357_magnum_44851.jpg