105-year old sets new record

[somebody]

http://road.cc/content/news/214980-updated-french-cyclist-robert-marchand-sets-new-hour-record-age-105

Robert Marchand after setting 105+ age group Hour Record (source BFM
TV via Twitter).jpg

French cyclist Robert Marchand has this afternoon become the first
person to set an Hour Record for the Masters aged 105 years and above
category - one specially created for him by the UCI. The 105-year-old
set a distance of 22.547 kilometres at France's national velodrome in
Saint Quentin en Yvelines, near Paris.

His record attempt was streamed live by the French network BFM TV, and
video of him completing his ride can be watched here (link is
external).

VIDEO - 22,547 km en une heure. Revivez l'exploit de Robert
Marchand à vélo https://t.co/QDnzfYxrcH (link is external)
pic.twitter.com/rVmRg3PJVD (link is external)

— BFMTV (@BFMTV) January 4, 2017 (link is external)

Five years ago, the UCI created the existing Masters aged 100 and over
category especially for Marchand, who set his first record in 2010,
when he rode 24.251 kilometres at the World Cycling Centre in Aigle,
Switzerland.

His previous experience of riding on a track had come eight decades
earlier, and afterwards, he said: “I just wanted to do something for
my 100th birthday.”


In 2014, he bettered the record by 10 per cent when he rode 26.925
kilometres at Saint Quentin en Yvelines - a record that still stands.

The same venue will host today’s record attempt on the record, which
is due to commence at 4pm local time, and assuming Marchand completes
the 60 minutes will also see the creation of a record in a new
category for Masters aged 105 and over.

It’s now more than 90 years since he first entered a bike race, which
he had to do under an assumed name because he was below the age limit
for entry.

He has taken part in every edition of the Ardéchoise sportive since
its debut in 1992, when he was aged 79, and has a mountain pass named
after him, the Col Robert Marchand, which is at 911 metres above sea
level – he was born in 1911.

Accompanying Marchand today will be Véronique Billat, a university
professor who specialises in physiology and performance, and is an
expert in VO2 max, which measures the maximum volume of oxygen someone
can use while exercising.

She has been studying Marchand since he turned 100, and told Le Figaro
(link is external) that following his latest VO2 max results she was
“super excited” for today’s record attempt.

“The improvement of the record from 2012 to 2014 had shown that it
was possible to improve his performances despite advancing age with
personalised exercises.

“We are now certain that it is possible to improve Robert’s VO2 max
thanks to his latest results, which measured 40 millilitres of oxygen
per minute per kilogram of body weight, which is an increase from
2014.

“This is incredible news since these measures are similar to those of
a sedentary person aged 50 years.”

While Marchand may be very much an exceptional case, Professor Billat
said that his data showed the value of continuing to exercise – or
even taking it up in the first place – late in life.

“The [results] show that in any case exercise is a factor in youth.
This is a beautiful message for Humanity: where there’s life, there’s
hope, since the tendency of the VO2 max curve to decline, which seems
inexorable from the age of 30, can be reversed.

“We knew that already for people aged 50, but not for subjects aged
105. These data are exceptional, above all given they show the values
of someone half his age.”

She added: “The secret of youth, is above all to follow a personalised
exercise regime in accordance with your abilities.”

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[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

amazing pip pip ! Robert ! you're the top !

3 cheers YA YA YA


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[Frank Miles]

Incredible and inspiring!

http://cyclingmagazine.ca/sections/news/105-year-old-cyclist-sets-hour-record-covering-22-547-km/

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/athletes/si/john-sinibaldi-1.html

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/01/11/Southpinellas/Olympian_a_legend_in_.shtml

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per Frank Miles:

>Incredible and inspiring!
>
> http://cyclingmagazine.ca/sections/news/105-year-old-cyclist-sets-hour-record-covering-22-547-km/

I hope somebody has collected/frozen some tissue samples from this guy.
--
Pete Cresswell

[Tim McNamara]

Wow. I'd be fairly surprised just to keep waking up at 105, let alone
to be riding my bike for any distance. Good for him.

Back in my racing days we had an older gent, in his early 80s, who had
raced six day events in the early part of the 20th century. He pushed
the velodrome at Blaine very enthusiastically and would show up as a
spectator at races on his track bike. He still had a very supple spin
and was very, very comfortable on what he called "track iron," would
even do a few tricks on it.

If I get to my 80s and can still ride a bike, I would consider that a
pretty darned big win. I'm delighted to still be riding in my 50s.

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

DNA DNA ?

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per Tim McNamara:

>If I get to my 80s and can still ride a bike, I would consider that a
>pretty darned big win. I'm delighted to still be riding in my 50s.

I think your chances are pretty good. I'm in my late 70's and can
barely walk - but riding a bike has not yet become a problem
--
Pete Cresswell

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

why not walking ?

[Tim McNamara]

That's encouraging. I think one of the keys to being able to do those
things in our later years is to start them in our younger years and to
keep doing them. My wife is a backpacker and regularly meets people in
their 70s and 80s who are still backpacking.

Keep riding, Pete!

[cycl...@gmail.com]

Why, are you hungry? Living to old ages isn't unusual. You need to not have inherited genetic conditions that cause your body to degenerate more rapidly that it should. And you have to avoid diseases that can kill you. I grew up from a little kid walking around in salt marshes hunting little animals to take home, put in aquariums and study. I've been bitten by just about anything that walks, crawls or slithers in those areas. At over 72 I have people pushing me out of the way with their canes saying "you youngsters have to give us old folks room. I'm 60 years old already."

[cycl...@gmail.com]

One of the guys we ride with is 83 and can ride right along with us without straining. While we have another that's 60 and rides just to be able to keep moving from Arthritis.

[cycl...@gmail.com]

All my joints are as good as new. My eye pressure is down even though my father, mother and older brother all had glaucoma. I do need glasses but sooner or later will have that taken care of.

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH:
>why not walking ?

Something called "Insidiously-progressive idiopathic peripheral
neuropathy"... which seems to be medical terminology for "Your nerves
are slowly dying; we have no idea why; there's nothing we can do; that
will be $150; you can pay the receptionist on the way out.....and, oh
yeah, be sure to come back in 3 months."

Bottom line is that I do not have much of an idea where my legs and feet
are without looking at them.

Also, it's getting into the motor nerves now so I cannot push off when
walking.

OTOH, once I get the feet strapped into a set of old-school toe clips
things pretty much take care of themselves. Only problem is getting
out of the saddle: I can do it, but there is the chance of a foot coming
out of the clips.
--
Pete Cresswell

[Radey Shouman]

Sorry, but you'll almost certainly always need glasses. Even if you get
surgery to correct your eyesight, presbyopia will prevent accomodation
for distance, meaning you'll need reading glasses. Now that I have lost
most accomodation I'm not all that disappointed to be myopic.

--

[cycl...@gmail.com]

Sorry to hear of your problems Pete. My experience is that if you cannot get an answer from one doctor you find another. I was essentially unconscious for two and a half years and apparently went to several neurologists until my friend took me to Palo Alto Medical Center where one of the neurologists there was familiar with my sort of seizures.

[cycl...@gmail.com]

Taking my brother to an absolutely top-rate glaucoma specialist he said that very soon they would have flexible replacement lenses to fit in your eyes which would mimic the original lense. They are still in the testing stage but they are working.

[Radey Shouman]

Any product, company, or researcher names?

--

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per cycl...@gmail.com:

>I do need glasses but sooner or later will have that taken care of.

Think that one through before you make the move.

My rationale (as one who is near-sighted):

- After a certain age, *everybody* has a problem with focusing on
close things. Something about the lens becoming turgid and
unresponsive to the focusing muscles.

- If I got the surgery, my far vision would be better, but then
I would be unable to read without reading glasses.

- OTOH, outside, I need sunglasses anyhow to prevent damage from
UV.... whether they are prescription or not is almost moot
convenience-wise.... so "needing glasses" for distant vision
is a wash - at least outside.


That decision was made about 25 years ago - when my far vision was so
bad that I could not see the big "E" on the eye chart.

Now, for some reason (and I can't imagine it's good... but still...) my
nearsightedness has diminished to the point where I can navigate indoors
quite well.... so well that I tend to put my glasses down somewhere, not
wear them for 2-3 hours, and forget where they are.... -)

Bottom line for me: I am *really* glad I did not get the surgery because
needing glasses to read would be a major PITA for me whereas "Needing"
glasses for distance is really just a matter of prescription sunglasses
instead of plane sunglasses.

In the interest of full disclosure.... my range of focus has now
deteriorated to where I actually do use reading glasses for extended
reading. Not because I cannot see without them, but because it's more
relaxing with them.... still a major improvement over *needing* them to
be able to read.


OTOH, if I were far-sighted, I might have opted for surgery just to get
out of needing reading glasses.....
--
Pete Cresswell

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per cycl...@gmail.com:
>Why, are you hungry?

DNA sequencing + self-learning AI.

Sooner-or-later we will have the ability to modify a person's genome
on-the-fly.

Feed enough people's DNA sequences to a big-enough AI and ask the right
questions and I would expect it to return instructions as to how to
achieve the desired characteristics.... My bet is that's is how we will
beat cancer.
--
Pete Cresswell

[cycl...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 11:31:57 AM UTC-8, Radey Shouman wrote:
>
> Any product, company, or researcher names?

I don't make a habit of questioning someone that is cutting a suture out of my brother's eye but just the slightest look on the Internet shows:

http://tinyurl.com/l27uskq

[cycl...@gmail.com]

Pete, I'm given to understand that is isn't the muscles but growth along the back of the eyeballs that make them a little stiffer. I see at about 20" and either side I'm fuzzy. But I can pass the driver's eye test without glasses though I can't read the large signs above the freeway and either need glasses or to know where I'm going. And no comments about you know where I'm going as well.

[cycl...@gmail.com]

You can't ask the right questions of an AI. For instance - there is a large amount of amyloid-beta in people with Alzheimer's. So they are working very hard on drugs that will wash out these A-beta hormones. The problem is that there is a large number of people that have even large amounts of amyloid-beta in their brains and show no signs. Therefore this has to do with multiple and ever increasing numbers of genes.

AI really isn't artificial intelligence despite what they tell you. I programmed AI quite a bit and it is actually a dead end. You cannot program it to ask questions that you yourself couldn't ask.

The latest results from the super collider in Switzerland turned up some odd results that negates most of Stephen Hawkings life's work and so now he is telling people that AI is going to take over the Earth. I expect it's his condition and losing a large part of his gift to science. I can get a job and do a better project but his physical limitations prevents him from redoing his.

[Andrew Chaplin]

cycl...@gmail.com wrote in
news:6ab4fe53-bff8-4589...@googlegroups.com:

I am astigmatic, which makes things blurry for me, especially close up. I
easily meet the requirements for driving with uncorrrected vision, but my
spectacles reduce strain, so I drive with them on.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

[Frank Krygowski]

I recall going to a national bike convention in Indianapolis, sometime
in the 1980s and eating dinner with a gentleman who was 80 years old.
He had ridden his bike, with full touring gear, from Toronto.

I think there's a lot of luck involved. But I'm keeping my fingers crossed!


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

On 1/8/2017 12:37 PM, Andrew Chaplin wrote:
> cycl...@gmail.com wrote

>>
>> Pete, I'm given to understand that is isn't the muscles but growth
>> along the back of the eyeballs that make them a little stiffer. I see
>> at about 20" and either side I'm fuzzy. But I can pass the driver's eye
>> test without glasses though I can't read the large signs above the
>> freeway and either need glasses or to know where I'm going. And no
>> comments about you know where I'm going as well.
>
> I am astigmatic, which makes things blurry for me, especially close up. I
> easily meet the requirements for driving with uncorrrected vision, but my
> spectacles reduce strain, so I drive with them on.

I'm a bit myopic, but I'm not required to use glasses for driving. I
have progressive lenses, and it's sometimes nice to get a clearer view
of the instrument panel by using the glasses.

But I've noticed that my night view of the road is significantly better
with the glasses off. It seems at night, anyway, I lose more vision
acuity by glare & reflections with the glasses lenses than I gain from
the slight refractory correction.

BTW, bike content: I'm happy to use the same glasses for riding, as
opposed to special glasses. And as a bonus, my homebrew mirrors clip
onto these glasses. They're tiny enough I stash one in each bike's bag.
No searching for special specs, the funny hat, the mirror that won't
work without it, etc.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Radey Shouman]

"(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid> writes:

> Per cycl...@gmail.com:
>>I do need glasses but sooner or later will have that taken care of.
>
> Think that one through before you make the move.
>
> My rationale (as one who is near-sighted):
>
> - After a certain age, *everybody* has a problem with focusing on
> close things. Something about the lens becoming turgid and
> unresponsive to the focusing muscles.
>
> - If I got the surgery, my far vision would be better, but then
> I would be unable to read without reading glasses.
>
> - OTOH, outside, I need sunglasses anyhow to prevent damage from
> UV.... whether they are prescription or not is almost moot
> convenience-wise.... so "needing glasses" for distant vision
> is a wash - at least outside.
>
>
> That decision was made about 25 years ago - when my far vision was so
> bad that I could not see the big "E" on the eye chart.
>
> Now, for some reason (and I can't imagine it's good... but still...) my
> nearsightedness has diminished to the point where I can navigate indoors
> quite well.... so well that I tend to put my glasses down somewhere, not
> wear them for 2-3 hours, and forget where they are.... -)

I'm no expert on vision, but suspect that the improvement is due to
presbyopia, or the natural loss of accomodation you described. Some of
your myopia was probably due to your eye focusing incorrectly. Now that
it no longer can adjust focus, the problem is less.

> Bottom line for me: I am *really* glad I did not get the surgery because
> needing glasses to read would be a major PITA for me whereas "Needing"
> glasses for distance is really just a matter of prescription sunglasses
> instead of plane sunglasses.

I'm with you there. It would seem technically possible that you could
get your eyes adjusted to focus at any length, not just at infinity,
with either cataract surgery (prosthetic lens) or laser surgery, but I
don't know that eye surgeons do that.

> In the interest of full disclosure.... my range of focus has now
> deteriorated to where I actually do use reading glasses for extended
> reading. Not because I cannot see without them, but because it's more
> relaxing with them.... still a major improvement over *needing* them to
> be able to read.
>
> OTOH, if I were far-sighted, I might have opted for surgery just to get
> out of needing reading glasses.....

Agreed -- hyperopia seems a bigger problem, since as one loses
accomodation he finds that clear vision is possible nowhere. There are
many more myopes than hyperopes in modern times. This seems clearly to have
an environmental cause, but I haven't seen that reflected in treatment.

--

[Radey Shouman]

So your night vision on the bike is ok with glasses? What's the
difference? I would like to hear some magic for eliminating foggy
glasses and raindrops when riding, but last time the question came up no
good answers were forthcoming.

--

[John B.]

I'm pretty well convinces that, excepting for traumatic physical
injury, activity during old age is largely a factor of having been
active during the period when one is growing older. My grandfather who
raised chickens on a commercial basis until he we in his 80's with no
help was also quite happy, well into his late 70's to load a pack
basket and walk 20 miles through the bush to a very remote lake, camp
out for a couple of days, and walk back.

On the other hand, people I've known who's greatest physical effort
consisted of walking to the car in order to drive a mile to the shops
seem to deteriorate rather rapidly.

--
cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

I believe that any of the concoctions, like Rain-X, that are used on
car windows to promote the dispersal of rain will help somewhat.

Although the real answer is probably glasses with tiny little
"windshield wipers" :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per cycl...@gmail.com:

>Sorry to hear of your problems Pete. My experience is that if you cannot get an answer from one doctor you find another.

I've been to a few.... and finally decided that I had a choice: spend a
significant portion of my life in waiting rooms, or just get on with it.

One of the first guys I went to see was a big-time neurologist and The
University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia..... 25-30 years ago.

His waiting room was filled with young people twitching and drooling,
old married couples where the wife was holding the husband's hand while
the husband just stared blankly into space.... and so-forth... you get
the picture.

After this guy went through his electrical tests and gave me his spiel,
he unloaded on me: something like "Mr Cresswell, do you have *any* idea
what a relief it is for somebody like *me* to be talking to somebody
like *you* - whose only problem is numb feet?"

For me, that put the whole thing in perspective. He didn't mean
anything helpful by it... he was just venting... but I will be eternally
grateful for him for saying it.
--
Pete Cresswell

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per Radey Shouman:

> I would like to hear some magic for eliminating foggy
>glasses and raindrops when riding, but last time the question came up no
>good answers were forthcoming.

Three words: "Disposable Contact Lenses".

I spend more time on the water than most and there are those maddening
days when the temp/humidity is "just so" so that glasses simply won't
stop fogging up... and disposable contacts are the ticket.

I don't even wear two most of the time.... One is enough and it leaves
me good close vision for reading charts and instruments.

Used to wear contacts 100% of the time on water.

Last season I switched to these things (prescription, Polaroid) and I
think they are going to be my SOP except for those fogging days:
https://www.seaspecs.com/seaspecs-classic-c-5
--
Pete Cresswell

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

Your extremities are sense able ? Pain in big toe is big toe pain ...but knowing where the toe is, is difficult ?

What cures have you tried ?

[Phil Lee]

John B. <slocom...@gmail.xyz> considered Mon, 09 Jan 2017 08:04:20

+0700 the perfect time to write:

>On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 16:59:32 -0500, Frank Krygowski
><frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 1/7/2017 12:28 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 09:21:58 -0500, (PeteCresswell) <x...@y.Invalid> wrote:
>>>> Per Tim McNamara:
>>>>> If I get to my 80s and can still ride a bike, I would consider that a
>>>>> pretty darned big win. I'm delighted to still be riding in my 50s.
>>>>
>>>> I think your chances are pretty good. I'm in my late 70's and can
>>>> barely walk - but riding a bike has not yet become a problem
>>>
>>> That's encouraging. I think one of the keys to being able to do those
>>> things in our later years is to start them in our younger years and to
>>> keep doing them. My wife is a backpacker and regularly meets people in
>>> their 70s and 80s who are still backpacking.
>>>
>>> Keep riding, Pete!
>>
>>I recall going to a national bike convention in Indianapolis, sometime
>>in the 1980s and eating dinner with a gentleman who was 80 years old.
>>He had ridden his bike, with full touring gear, from Toronto.
>>
>>I think there's a lot of luck involved. But I'm keeping my fingers crossed!
>
>I'm pretty well convinces that, excepting for traumatic physical
>injury, activity during old age is largely a factor of having been
>active during the period when one is growing older.

Well, traumatic injury or serious illness, at any rate.

> My grandfather who
>raised chickens on a commercial basis until he we in his 80's with no
>help was also quite happy, well into his late 70's to load a pack
>basket and walk 20 miles through the bush to a very remote lake, camp
>out for a couple of days, and walk back.
>
>On the other hand, people I've known who's greatest physical effort
>consisted of walking to the car in order to drive a mile to the shops
>seem to deteriorate rather rapidly.
>

I've seen some of them hang on for years or even decades, although
heavily and increasingly dependent on others.
The fit ones tend to go downhill fast, once they drop off the fitness
level they are accustomed to maintaining.
My grandfather went from running a minimum of 5 miles every morning,
rain, shine, sleet, snow or fog, to his grave in about 18 months after
breaking his hip badly. We had to buy him a new tent for his 76th
birthday, as his old one had woodworm in the poles, and he was still
regularly hiking the long-distance paths of the UK (having campaigned
for many of them to be opened). No hotels or hostels for him - he
wanted to walk until it was too dark then pitch camp for the night,
and wake at dawn for the next day's hike! He was still fully active
into his 80's, but died at 86.
My mother, at the other extreme (who I don't remember ever doing
anything remotely athletic), enjoyed poor health for around 35 years -
and didn't live as long!
I know which way I'd prefer, and which is better for society, and they
are the same.

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per Phil Lee:

>The fit ones tend to go downhill fast, once they drop off the fitness
>level they are accustomed to maintaining.
>My grandfather went from running a minimum of 5 miles every morning,
>rain, shine, sleet, snow or fog, to his grave in about 18 months after
>breaking his hip badly.

A book on aging that I read a bunch of years ago described "Normal
Death" as being pretty much that: good functionality right up to a few
months from the end, then rapid deterioration and death.

The book said that it has become more-and-more common and will increase
in frequency as people learn to and are able to take proper care of
themselves.
--
Pete Cresswell

[cycl...@gmail.com]

The maximum ages obtained by man has hardly changed since the 1500's. But the average age of death has GREATLY increased. But that won't stop the media from trying to frighten you to death with stories of global warming and Zika.

[Frank Krygowski]

Hard to say. I'd guess a big part is that when riding the bike at
night, I tend to choose streets and roads with less traffic, so less
oncoming glare from headlights.

And the glasses vs no-glasses difference when driving certainly isn't a
make or break thing. I normally take them off for night driving only if
I'm doing a long drive - say, more than half an hour. In the city I
never bother.

> I would like to hear some magic for eliminating foggy
> glasses and raindrops when riding, but last time the question came up no
> good answers were forthcoming.

I'd like that magic too. I don't recall many fog problems (except when
coming into the house after a cold ride), but raindrops on my glasses
are annoying day or night.

My cycling cap's bill is too short to shield the glasses. My usual
solution is to avoid riding in rain. My next solution is to take off my
glasses. That works for me, but it means I lose my rear view mirror.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Sir Ridesalot]

Try anti-dimming/fogging compound used bt the military for gas masks.

Cheers

[Doug Landau]

On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 9:28:54 AM UTC-8, Tim McNamara wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 09:21:58 -0500, (PeteCresswell) <x...@y.Invalid> wrote:
> > Per Tim McNamara:
> >>If I get to my 80s and can still ride a bike, I would consider that a
> >>pretty darned big win. I'm delighted to still be riding in my 50s.
> >
> > I think your chances are pretty good. I'm in my late 70's and can
> > barely walk - but riding a bike has not yet become a problem
>
> That's encouraging. I think one of the keys to being able to do those
> things in our later years is to start them in our younger years and to
> keep doing them. My wife is a backpacker and regularly meets people in
> their 70s and 80s who are still backpacking.
>
> Keep riding, Pete!

I hope they bring one of these
https://www.rei.com/product/846402/alite-monarch-butterfly-chair?CAWELAID=120217890000811519&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=15725087320&CATCI=pla-126976956280&cm_mmc=PLA_Google|404_9823|8464020002|none|04a902ef-6c0a-410a-ac71-05f8b2179b11|pla-126976956280&lsft=cm_mmc:PLA_Google_LIA|404_9823|8464020002|none|04a902ef-6c0a-410a-ac71-05f8b2179b11|pla-126976956280&gclid=CMHprKLbtdECFQuAfgodCOcIww

Last time I went bike touring, I didn't understand how anyone can get comfortable on an aluminum park bench

[cycl...@gmail.com]

It must be your deeply seated fear of being too shallow seated?

[John B.]

On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 10:01:27 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid>
wrote:

both my grandfathers died that way. Got up in the morning, ate a good
lunch, laid down for a bit of a nap after lunch and never woke up.

I'm not eager to join them but it is probably as good a way to go as
any.
--
cheers,

John B.

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per John B.:

>both my grandfathers died that way. Got up in the morning, ate a good
>lunch, laid down for a bit of a nap after lunch and never woke up.
>
>I'm not eager to join them but it is probably as good a way to go as
>any.

My daughter's German uncle died about as well as I can imagine. Early
nineties, similar scenario: drank one last beer, closed his eyes, and
the lights went out for good.
--
Pete Cresswell

[cycl...@gmail.com]

I intend on sticking around until I outlive all you guys and have the last word about carbon fiber frames.

[Doug Landau]

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 6:04:39 AM UTC-8, (PeteCresswell) wrote:

> Per John B.:
> >both my grandfathers died that way. Got up in the morning, ate a good
> >lunch, laid down for a bit of a nap after lunch and never woke up.
> >

> My daughter's German uncle died about as well as I can imagine. Early
> nineties, similar scenario: drank one last beer, closed his eyes, and
> the lights went out for good.

That's how I want to die. Peacefully, in my sleep, like my grandpa. Not screaming like the passengers in his car.

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per Doug Landau:

>That's how I want to die. Peacefully, in my sleep, like my grandpa. Not screaming like the passengers in his car.

That one made my "Keepers" file.
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Pete Cresswell

[Radey Shouman]

I never got much satisfaction out of Rain-X. I do put some goop on my
glasses called "Cat Crap"; I think it's mostly soap, it does help with
fogging.

> Although the real answer is probably glasses with tiny little
> "windshield wipers" :-)

Sounds like Darwin in action.

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[Radey Shouman]

"(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid> writes:

> Per Radey Shouman:
>> I would like to hear some magic for eliminating foggy
>>glasses and raindrops when riding, but last time the question came up no
>>good answers were forthcoming.
>
> Three words: "Disposable Contact Lenses".

Excellent advice -- that I won't follow, having got by so far without
ever intentionally sticking in my eye.

[Radey Shouman]

You plainly have better vision than I do, I won't do anything faster
than walking without glasses.

>> I would like to hear some magic for eliminating foggy
>> glasses and raindrops when riding, but last time the question came up no
>> good answers were forthcoming.
>
> I'd like that magic too. I don't recall many fog problems (except
> when coming into the house after a cold ride), but raindrops on my
> glasses are annoying day or night.

My glasses fog when it's moderately cold out, whenever I stop. Local
humidity from exhalation, I guess. Makes intersections more challenging.

> My cycling cap's bill is too short to shield the glasses. My usual
> solution is to avoid riding in rain. My next solution is to take off
> my glasses. That works for me, but it means I lose my rear view
> mirror.

Given some forward velocity I would think a very long bill would be
required.

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[John B.]

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 20:12:33 -0500, Radey Shouman

Rain-X on the outside of the glasses does help to shed wate4r from the
(front side) of the glasses.

>> Although the real answer is probably glasses with tiny little
>> "windshield wipers" :-)
>
>Sounds like Darwin in action.

For fogging you can either buy commercial anti-fog ($8.99 at Amazon)
or use home products like soap, baby shampoo, white potatoes, or even
spit.
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cheers,

John B.

[Doug Landau]

Have you tried a potato?
http://dirtbike.off-road.com/dirtbike/tech/foggy-goggles-fact-vs-fiction-54346.html

[Radey Shouman]

I have not. I do have some commercial stuff called "cat crap" that does help.

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[Frank Krygowski]

On 1/10/2017 8:19 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>
>> I don't recall many fog problems (except
>> when coming into the house after a cold ride), but raindrops on my
>> glasses are annoying day or night.
>
> My glasses fog when it's moderately cold out, whenever I stop. Local
> humidity from exhalation, I guess. Makes intersections more challenging.

Ah, you're right, I'd forgotten about that. I can remember trying to
hold the glasses up and away from my face to combat it.

I do much less cold weather riding now, partly because I've retired (so
no commuting, therefore it's easier to choose to let it warm up outside)
and partly because I seem to get bronchitis very easily after a ride in
the cold. :-(

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- Frank Krygowski

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

Baseball cap...tape on yellow shooters from Yorktown

This demand's market review



http://www.allaboutvision.com/lenses/coatings.htm

When was the last you checked on Devo ?

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per Radey Shouman:

>Excellent advice -- that I won't follow, having got by so far without
>ever intentionally sticking in my eye.

There is a downside that I neglected to mention: every so often, I can't
get a contact out of my eye. Sometimes because I took a wave in the
face and it rolled up, other times because it tore upon attempted
removal and the pieces became impossible to get at, and other times just
because it does not want to come out.

Not such a problem if you can get to somebody for assistance.

Definitely a problem (and, for me, a shoe-stopper) if you are alone out
in the middle of nowhere..... but I'm never out in the middle of
nowhere.
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Pete Cresswell

[Phil Lee]

Doug Landau <doug....@gmail.com> considered Tue, 10 Jan 2017

I knew it was only a matter of time before someone came out with that
one :)

[Tim McNamara]

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:01:19 +0700, John B <slocom...@gmail.xyz>
wrote:

Better than many ways to go.

Bumper sticker wisdom: "I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like his passengers."

[Tim McNamara]

Ah, ya beat me to it. Too bad I didn't see this before my post...

[Doug Landau]

Okay. Now tell me what you think about Ronnie Lang

[Tim McNamara]

The saxophonist with Hoagy Carmichael, Les Brown, etc.? (Jazz fan here)

[Doug Landau]

Oh wow. Ted Nash too. And here I thought he was an olympic rower and coach at Penn.

[Radey Shouman]

You have plainly missed your true calling as a salesman of contact
lenses. My attitudes were formed back in the dark days of expensive,
hard contact lenses. One of my first exposures to the idea was in a
scuba class, in a pool. A student lost a contact while practicing to
clear her mask. At that time I think a set of lenses cost more or less
what a pair of glasses did, so the whole class stationed themselves
around the drain until one sharp-eyed person snagged the contact lens on
it's way out.

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