2 speed belt drive bicycle with disc brake (front), coaster brake (rear), adjustable stem (both height and reach), and included lights on sale for $399. Compatible racks and cargo trailer also available.

[sms]

<http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/30326728/#/60326736>

Cool Porteur rack: $24.99
<http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/40315480/>

Cargo trailer: $129.00
<http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/90345644/>

Rear rack: $19.99 <http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/00315482/>

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[jbeattie]

But it's not a dynamo light! If I'm going Bohemian, I want the fully Bohemian bike!

-- Bjork.

[sms]

There must be 100 bike shops in Portland that can install the Bohemian
Package.

-- Dirk Vanderbike.

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

why 35 pounds ? is this necessary for longevity or crude











Product dimensions
Wheel size: 28 "
Length: 72 1/2 "
Height: 45 1/4 "
Max. load: 353 lb
Weight: 35 lb

Wheel size: 28 "
Length: 184 cm
Height: 115 cm
Max. load: 160 kg
Weight: 16 kg

This product requires assembly
Instructions & other documents
Downloads for this product:
Assembly instructions
Manuals
Key features
- 25-year limited warranty on the frame and 10-year limited warranty on the belt drive. Read about the terms in the Warranty brochure.
- This bicycle is powered by a belt drive, which is a rustproof, durable and maintenance-free alternative to a regular chain.
- The front disc brake and rear coaster brake gives efficient braking.
- The rustproof aluminum frame is coated with 2 layers of lacquer to make it extra resistant to scratching, road salt and mud.
- The aluminum frame makes the bike lightweight and easy to bring with you.
- The automatic 2-gear system is integrated into the rear hub, so there are no wires that rust, break or need regular maintenance.
- You can adjust the height and angle of the handlebar to suit your height and preferred riding position.
Designer:
O Juhlin/J Puranen/K Eke
Package measurements and weight
Article Number: 603.267.36
Package: 1
Width: 30 ½ " (78 cm)
Height: 7 ¾ " (20 cm)
Length: 58 ¼ " (148 cm)
Weight: 44 lb 12 oz (20.30 kg)

Batteries for the lights sold separately. IKEA recommends LADDA rechargeable batteries AA and AAA.
Locks and racks sold separately.
May be completed with SLADDA front and rear rack,, sold separately.
May be completed with SLADDA trailer, sold separately.
May be completed with SLADDA rear bicycle bag, sold separately.
Good to know
Do not grease the belt drive with oil, only rinse with water.
Use only rechargeable batteries for the front (4xAA) and rear lights (2xAAA).
Always wear a helmet to increase your personal safety when cycling.
Care instructions
Rinse with water, do not use a high-pressure washer.
Product description
Frame: Aluminum, Polyester powder coating
Fork/ Other parts: Steel, Polyester powder coating
Pedal: Aluminum, Steel, Synthetic rubber
Crank: Aluminum
Disc/ Fitting: Stainless steel
Seat: Polyurethane foam, 100 % polyurethane
Handle: Aluminum, Synthetic rubber
Stand: Steel, Chrome plated, Clear lacquer

35 could be a Danish national standard ?

[jbeattie]

On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 11:42:32 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
> On 12/6/2016 6:12 PM, jbeattie wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 4:52:46 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
> >> <http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/30326728/#/60326736>
> >>
> >> Cool Porteur rack: $24.99
> >> <http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/40315480/>
> >>
> >> Cargo trailer: $129.00
> >> <http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/90345644/>
> >>
> >> Rear rack: $19.99 <http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/00315482/>
> >>
> >> ---
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> >
> > But it's not a dynamo light! If I'm going Bohemian, I want the fully Bohemian bike!
> >
> > -- Bjork.
>
> There must be 100 bike shops in Portland that can install the Bohemian
> Package.

Actual bike content: Killer deal on SP PD8 at Western Bikeworks. https://www.westernbikeworks.com/product/shutter-precision-pd-8-dynamo-front-hub

I'm thinking of getting one to add to my collection of modestly useful and heavy objects.

-- Jay Beattie.

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

buy a boat. boats are cheap before XMASS

[Joerg]

Neat! With disc mount no less and it seems not a proprietary one. That's
perfect for longhaul trail riders or folks who want to use the MTB for
vacation trips.

> I'm thinking of getting one to add to my collection of modestly
> useful and heavy objects.
>

I wish a company like that would design a sturdy rear rack for FS-MTB
that is not just tied to the seat tube but properly braced down.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

[Joerg]

On 2016-12-06 16:51, sms wrote:
> <http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/30326728/#/60326736>
>

Does anyone know how long such a belt lasts? It probably won't need much
maintenance during its life other than cleaning and maybe the occasional
talc dusting. Cleaning could be a simple matter of hosing it off.

> Cool Porteur rack: $24.99
> <http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/40315480/>
>
> Cargo trailer: $129.00
> <http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/90345644/>
>

That trailer looks like a good deal. Adding a suspension will be tough
or impractical but this one can easily be extended in length using just
hand tools. Connecting it above rack (tractor trailer style) would also
be feasible with very minor mods. Chain stay style isn't very suitable
for offroad.

[...]

[Radey Shouman]

It's not in stock in Portland, OR, or any other US store I checked, also
not shippable. My guess is you would have to go to Sweden to get one.

--

[Joerg]

Same for West Sacramento and Emeryville. Looks like what we engineers
call vaporware, just advertised but you can't get any.

It's ok though, my wife would have a fit if I'd try to squeeze this
trailer into the garage in addition to the MTB (plus the old MTB) and
road bike. Looks like it isn't easily dismantled for storage. What I
like is the load rating. I could carry two 50lbs grain bags plus other
stuff from the valley brew shop up the hill. Shimano would need to sell
32T sprockets separately for that, they'd wear out fast.

[sms]

12/9/2016 10:23 AM, Joerg wrote:

> Same for West Sacramento and Emeryville. Looks like what we engineers
> call vaporware, just advertised but you can't get any.

It appears to be sold only online.

Not a bad deal for someone that wants something to go around town,
especially a flat town.

When I was growing up, getting a "3 speed" was a big deal, even though
the town was almost completely flat. Then of course came the Schwinn
Varsity craze.

"Back in my day," even the kids from wealthy families were not ferried
around, we all rode bikes around town, to the beach, to the mall, whatever.

[Joerg]

On 2016-12-09 10:58, sms wrote:
> 12/9/2016 10:23 AM, Joerg wrote:
>
>> Same for West Sacramento and Emeryville. Looks like what we engineers
>> call vaporware, just advertised but you can't get any.
>
> It appears to be sold only online.
>

Unfortunately not. Quote "Sorry, this product is not for sale on our
website or over the phone, check if it is available in your local store".

> Not a bad deal for someone that wants something to go around town,
> especially a flat town.
>

Real men can muscle that up the hills fully loaded :-)

> When I was growing up, getting a "3 speed" was a big deal, even though
> the town was almost completely flat. Then of course came the Schwinn
> Varsity craze.
>
> "Back in my day," even the kids from wealthy families were not ferried
> around, we all rode bikes around town, to the beach, to the mall, whatever.
>

Same where I grew up. Except they had the fancier bikes with banana
seats and a monstrous chrome-plated shift lever on the top tube. I
always preferred 10-speed road bikes because I could go faster on them
than on 3-speed or single-speed behemoths. However, being more of a
utility rider I abused them by going offroad a lot and transporting
items such as big old tube-equipped TV sets, rolls of carpet, big boxes
from industrial junk yards or stacked crates of beer.

[jbeattie]

On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 11:18:43 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
> On 2016-12-09 10:58, sms wrote:
> > 12/9/2016 10:23 AM, Joerg wrote:
> >
> >> Same for West Sacramento and Emeryville. Looks like what we engineers
> >> call vaporware, just advertised but you can't get any.
> >
> > It appears to be sold only online.
> >
>
> Unfortunately not. Quote "Sorry, this product is not for sale on our
> website or over the phone, check if it is available in your local store".

No, it's available on-line. I have one in my shopping cart right now. $99 for truck delivery to Cameron Park. Merry Christmas!

-- Jay Beattie.

[Sir Ridesalot]

On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 2:18:43 PM UTC-5, Joerg wrote:
Snipped

>I abused them by going offroad a lot and transporting
> items such as big old tube-equipped TV sets, rolls of carpet, big boxes
> from industrial junk yards or stacked crates of beer.
>
> --
> Regards, Joerg
>
> http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Seems that you've been abusing bicycles for a very long time. Perhaps if you used the bicycle for what it was designed for and didn't abuse it so much you'd not have so many things breaking on them.

Cheers

[Joerg]

Seriously? Harborfreight shipped a huge log splitter to our front door
for a flat fee of $7.99. It weighs 110lbs.

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per Joerg:

> It probably won't need much
>maintenance during its life other than cleaning and maybe the occasional
>talc dusting. Cleaning could be a simple matter of hosing it off.

My reaction was that it looked like a good beach/boardwalk (salt water
environment) bike. Down the Jersey shore, it seems like every other
bike I see has a badly-rusted chain.
--
Pete Cresswell

[Joerg]

I do the same with cars yet they last. A vehicle needs to be capable of
transportion stuff. My trusty old Audi station wagon I had to leave
behind in Europe will soon celebrate its 30th, in great health. It might
survive its new owner.

Even when people overdo it they last:

http://www.lah.co.mz/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/overloaded-truck.jpg
http://chrisandsusanbeesley.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/overload.jpg

[Joerg]

Out here my bikes (including the road bike) are nearly always caked in
mud. It's a normal look.

http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Muddy3.JPG

I wonder how a belt fares if the occasional rock or a clump of stuff
containing decomposed granite crunches through. With a chain the rear
derailer does a quick stretch and it all gets spit out again. Sometimes
a sprocket tooth is missing afterwards but it all still works.

[Radey Shouman]

Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com> writes:

> On 2016-12-09 08:43, Radey Shouman wrote:
>> Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 2016-12-06 16:51, sms wrote:
>>>> <http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/30326728/#/60326736>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone know how long such a belt lasts? It probably won't need
>>> much maintenance during its life other than cleaning and maybe the
>>> occasional talc dusting. Cleaning could be a simple matter of hosing
>>> it off.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Cool Porteur rack: $24.99
>>>> <http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/40315480/>
>>>>
>>>> Cargo trailer: $129.00
>>>> <http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/90345644/>
>>>>
>>>
>>> That trailer looks like a good deal. Adding a suspension will be tough
>>> or impractical but this one can easily be extended in length using
>>> just hand tools. Connecting it above rack (tractor trailer style)
>>> would also be feasible with very minor mods. Chain stay style isn't
>>> very suitable for offroad.
>>
>> It's not in stock in Portland, OR, or any other US store I checked, also
>> not shippable. My guess is you would have to go to Sweden to get one.
>>
>
> Same for West Sacramento and Emeryville. Looks like what we engineers
> call vaporware, just advertised but you can't get any.

I suspect more that it's not for US export.

[Radey Shouman]

sms <scharf...@geemail.com> writes:

> 12/9/2016 10:23 AM, Joerg wrote:
>
>> Same for West Sacramento and Emeryville. Looks like what we engineers
>> call vaporware, just advertised but you can't get any.
>
> It appears to be sold only online.

No, the description says:

Sorry, this product is not for sale on our website or over the phone,

check if it is available in your local store. Stock availability may not
be accurate on IKEA Food items.

>
> Not a bad deal for someone that wants something to go around town,
> especially a flat town.
>
> When I was growing up, getting a "3 speed" was a big deal, even though
> the town was almost completely flat. Then of course came the Schwinn
> Varsity craze.
>
> "Back in my day," even the kids from wealthy families were not ferried
> around, we all rode bikes around town, to the beach, to the mall,
> whatever.
>
>
>
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[Radey Shouman]

That must be the "Beatty family member price". Doesn't work for us proles.

--

[Joerg]

On 2016-12-09 14:24, Radey Shouman wrote:
> Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com> writes:
>
>> On 2016-12-09 08:43, Radey Shouman wrote:
>>> Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 2016-12-06 16:51, sms wrote:
>>>>> <http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/30326728/#/60326736>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know how long such a belt lasts? It probably won't need
>>>> much maintenance during its life other than cleaning and maybe the
>>>> occasional talc dusting. Cleaning could be a simple matter of hosing
>>>> it off.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Cool Porteur rack: $24.99
>>>>> <http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/40315480/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cargo trailer: $129.00
>>>>> <http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/90345644/>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That trailer looks like a good deal. Adding a suspension will be tough
>>>> or impractical but this one can easily be extended in length using
>>>> just hand tools. Connecting it above rack (tractor trailer style)
>>>> would also be feasible with very minor mods. Chain stay style isn't
>>>> very suitable for offroad.
>>>
>>> It's not in stock in Portland, OR, or any other US store I checked, also
>>> not shippable. My guess is you would have to go to Sweden to get one.
>>>
>>
>> Same for West Sacramento and Emeryville. Looks like what we engineers
>> call vaporware, just advertised but you can't get any.
>
> I suspect more that it's not for US export.
>

Then it would behoove Ikea not to list it in their US catalog and even
more so not to advertise a special sales price.

It looks like a good product though. The coolest trailer I ever saw was
a long flatbed version with two child seats in a row plus a spacious
cargo bed behind them.

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per Joerg:

>Out here my bikes (including the road bike) are nearly always caked in
>mud. It's a normal look.
>
>http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Muddy3.JPG

For awhile I was seeing mud as a protective layer:
http://tinyurl.com/gu6yse8 ... until my better half complained about the
stuff falling off on to the garage floor.
--
Pete Cresswell

[Joerg]

On 2016-12-10 06:16, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
> Per Joerg:
>> Out here my bikes (including the road bike) are nearly always caked in
>> mud. It's a normal look.
>>
>> http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Muddy3.JPG
>
> For awhile I was seeing mud as a protective layer:
> http://tinyurl.com/gu6yse8

That requires some sort of sign-in, can't see it.

> ... until my better half complained about the
> stuff falling off on to the garage floor.
>

Oh yeah. "WHAT's THIS?" ... "Oh, honey, that is just some fragant forest
aroma from the mountian bike". There was almost guaranteed some horse
and cattle poop in it.

When it rains we let the dogs out onto their business area via the
garage. This takes several minutes longer than via the kitchen door
because they have to sniff the bike tires, pedals, forks and bottom tubes.

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per Joerg:

>> http://tinyurl.com/gu6yse8
>
>
>That requires some sort of sign-in, can't see it.

Mea Culpa... burned again.... When Google took over Picasa, they cleared
all the permissions - reverting all albums to non-shared.

SB fixed now, but probably not worth looking at because it's essentially
the same as your pic... just a different bike in a different kind of
mud.
--
Pete Cresswell

[Joerg]

Still doesn't work. It requires to sign in with some sort of Google
account which I don't have (and don't want).

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

we get ours delivered by the Royal Family

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per Joerg:

>It requires to sign in with some sort of Google
>account which I don't have (and don't want).

You are not alone in the "don't want" area....

I'm starting to get a little creeped out by the increasing number of
Google Account logins required. In my heart, I *know* they have
figured out a way to monitize the trail I leave when I do log in that
way.
--
Pete Cresswell

[Joerg]

At one of my watering holes on the way back up from the valley I sat
next to a guy who was told by a friend that his Android phone would
track his every move. He didn't believe it until his friend said "Let me
dig it out". He told him exactly where he was on which day of his
vacation in Mexico, the route of the boat he booked, and so on. A jaw
dropped.

I also carry a cell phone in the panniers on my bike but it's a candybar
"phone-phone" so it can't track me. I think ...

[AMuzi]

+1
With Gurgle, YOU are the product.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[John B.]

On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 14:50:01 -0800, Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:

Any cell phone can and does "tack" you. At least to the extent that it
knows what cell you are in as long as the phone is turned on. It has
to, how else could you receive a phone call?
--
cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 16:29:27 +0700, John B. <slocom...@gmail.xyz>
wrote:

"tack" should be "track"
--
cheers,

John B.

[Joerg]

The only available information is the cell tower to which it connects
and with CDMA I can be 0.1 mile or 30 miles away, plus who know which
direction. I doubt this is stored more than a few months, if that, or
sent to a marketing behemoth. What I meant with tracking is a precision
down to which store you went into. That is "mineable" information.

However, the major difference is this: I call about once per ride unless
there is a client emergency. During the other 3-4h of the ride my basic
phone is unable to track me because it lacks the hardware for that. When
the power switch is turned off it can't connect to cell towers.

[Andrew Chaplin]

AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote in news:o2i2h9$tk3$2...@dont-email.me:

But Google is how I found your site the first time, Andrew. :)
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

[Radey Shouman]

Fancy smart phones, however, include GPS, which gives much better
positional data. There are other tracking technologies, for example the
use of ultrasonic signals included in ads:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/11/beware-of-ads-that-use-inaudible-sound-to-link-your-phone-tv-tablet-and-pc/

It's like paying Big Brother to keep an eye on you.

--

[John B.]

On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 08:20:10 -0800, Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com>

I'm not even sure whether the cell information is stored. I think what
happens is that the phone notifies the cell periodically and the cell
simply notes what phone numbers are in its area.

As to specific stores, I believe all cell phone operating systems, or
at least all Android systems, have an option of whether to actuate the
location option, which I think does track the phone.

But why worry, after all more and more surveillance cameras are being
mounted on streets - I believe England, a country the size of Alabama.
was estimated to contain 1.85 million, in 2011. And face recognition
systems are capable of tracking YOU via these CCTV systems.

It used to be said that two things were inevitable, death and taxes.
Perhaps today this should be modified to death, taxes and tracking :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

http://lb.511ia.org/ialb/cameras/routeselect.jsf

State lines...bridges ....important exits eg airports ... ?

I find tracking software sneaking into the PC n android under security software. check .

I am continuously assaulted by Goo audio and XM satellite spending a huge amount of air annoying me. Both support other promotors of the work I do so offer interference

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

Access the homepage board #cand general security levels page from the upper left corner screen the go on from the botTom to a list of yes/no permissions n rejections.

I find permissions to track n listen checked yes when these areas were checked

[Frank Krygowski]

On 12/11/2016 6:48 PM, John B. wrote:
>
> I'm not even sure whether the cell information is stored. I think what
> happens is that the phone notifies the cell periodically and the cell
> simply notes what phone numbers are in its area.

I recall seeing a non-fiction TV show a couple years ago, dealing with
the death of a couple who got lost in a storm after trying to take a
mountain shortcut somewhere - it might have been in Oregon. IIRC, there
was at least one death despite search teams scouring the area. In the
show, they interviewed some tech guy who worked for a cell company who
could have gotten location information to greatly narrow the search
area, but supposedly the legal barriers to unlocking that information
were too high.

Of course, the black helicopter guys don't care about legal barriers.

> As to specific stores, I believe all cell phone operating systems, or
> at least all Android systems, have an option of whether to actuate the
> location option, which I think does track the phone.

I think that's true.

> But why worry, after all more and more surveillance cameras are being
> mounted on streets - I believe England, a country the size of Alabama.
> was estimated to contain 1.85 million, in 2011. And face recognition
> systems are capable of tracking YOU via these CCTV systems.

My wife watches some NCIS-style TV shows. Every episode features good
looking geeks who require no more than 15 seconds to find someone by
accessing every security camera in a large city. But AFAIK, that's
still fantasy.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[James]

On 12/12/16 10:48, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 08:20:10 -0800, Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> The only available information is the cell tower to which it connects
>> and with CDMA I can be 0.1 mile or 30 miles away, plus who know which
>> direction. I doubt this is stored more than a few months, if that, or
>> sent to a marketing behemoth. What I meant with tracking is a precision
>> down to which store you went into. That is "mineable" information.
>
>> However, the major difference is this: I call about once per ride unless
>> there is a client emergency. During the other 3-4h of the ride my basic
>> phone is unable to track me because it lacks the hardware for that. When
>> the power switch is turned off it can't connect to cell towers.
>
> I'm not even sure whether the cell information is stored. I think what
> happens is that the phone notifies the cell periodically and the cell
> simply notes what phone numbers are in its area.
>
> As to specific stores, I believe all cell phone operating systems, or
> at least all Android systems, have an option of whether to actuate the
> location option, which I think does track the phone.
>

Provided the phone is in range of 3 or more cells, either end can record
the received signal strength and that information can be used to roughly
triangulate the phone's position WRT the cells.

With only two cells in range the phone can be in either of two
locations, and with only one cell in range, there's really no telling
where the phone is other than "within range".

--
JS

[John B.]

On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 22:43:48 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 12/11/2016 6:48 PM, John B. wrote:
>>
>> I'm not even sure whether the cell information is stored. I think what
>> happens is that the phone notifies the cell periodically and the cell
>> simply notes what phone numbers are in its area.
>
>I recall seeing a non-fiction TV show a couple years ago, dealing with
>the death of a couple who got lost in a storm after trying to take a
>mountain shortcut somewhere - it might have been in Oregon. IIRC, there
>was at least one death despite search teams scouring the area. In the
>show, they interviewed some tech guy who worked for a cell company who
>could have gotten location information to greatly narrow the search
>area, but supposedly the legal barriers to unlocking that information
>were too high.
>
>Of course, the black helicopter guys don't care about legal barriers.
>

Years ago I remember some discussion about cell phones and there was
mention of a "black box" that supposedly was available to law
enforcement that could read the cell "book keeping" signals and
determine whether your phone was in the cell and (I think) read data
going to or from that phone.

>> As to specific stores, I believe all cell phone operating systems, or
>> at least all Android systems, have an option of whether to actuate the
>> location option, which I think does track the phone.
>
>I think that's true.
>
>> But why worry, after all more and more surveillance cameras are being
>> mounted on streets - I believe England, a country the size of Alabama.
>> was estimated to contain 1.85 million, in 2011. And face recognition
>> systems are capable of tracking YOU via these CCTV systems.
>
>My wife watches some NCIS-style TV shows. Every episode features good
>looking geeks who require no more than 15 seconds to find someone by
>accessing every security camera in a large city. But AFAIK, that's
>still fantasy.

We've had a number of robberies, a bomb at the Eurawan hotel shrine
and more to the point the machine gunning of a politician's car, it
must have been 4 years ago. In every case the police released CCTV
film of the event. Apparently even Bangkok has them "all over the
place".

But even more interesting is that many businesses, particularly gold
shops, have CCTV systems installed and there was a case a couple of
years ago about a foreigner who claimed to be persecuted by the
police, falsely accused of stealing from a duty free shop at the
airport.... After the CCTV film was shown on TV the claims of
persecution sort of evaporated :-)

Probably a sign of progress :-)

--
cheers,

John B.

[Joerg]

Only for a short while and I believe a warrant is required to get at
that information. For example, when the police wants to catch a bad guy
after a crime.

> As to specific stores, I believe all cell phone operating systems, or
> at least all Android systems, have an option of whether to actuate the
> location option, which I think does track the phone.
>

There is sneaky stuff out there. Recently even my otherwise very much
fire-walled PC turned itself on after being sent to hibernate. Turns out
some software must have quietly turned the wake-up feature in the
control registry back on. Most likely an online conferencing service but
I can't prove it.

> But why worry, after all more and more surveillance cameras are being
> mounted on streets - I believe England, a country the size of Alabama.
> was estimated to contain 1.85 million, in 2011. And face recognition
> systems are capable of tracking YOU via these CCTV systems.
>
> It used to be said that two things were inevitable, death and taxes.
> Perhaps today this should be modified to death, taxes and tracking :-)
>

Not for mountain bikers :-)

The only tracking efforts I notice on singletrack are the eyes and ears
of animals. Sometimes for very selfish purposes. Every time I get close
to Ivan the horse's pasture his eyes are already peeled because "his"
carrots are riding in the left pannier (I got the owner's permission).

[Joerg]

On 2016-12-12 04:12, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 22:43:48 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 12/11/2016 6:48 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not even sure whether the cell information is stored. I think what
>>> happens is that the phone notifies the cell periodically and the cell
>>> simply notes what phone numbers are in its area.
>>
>> I recall seeing a non-fiction TV show a couple years ago, dealing with
>> the death of a couple who got lost in a storm after trying to take a
>> mountain shortcut somewhere - it might have been in Oregon. IIRC, there
>> was at least one death despite search teams scouring the area. In the
>> show, they interviewed some tech guy who worked for a cell company who
>> could have gotten location information to greatly narrow the search
>> area, but supposedly the legal barriers to unlocking that information
>> were too high.
>>
>> Of course, the black helicopter guys don't care about legal barriers.
>>
> Years ago I remember some discussion about cell phones and there was
> mention of a "black box" that supposedly was available to law
> enforcement that could read the cell "book keeping" signals and
> determine whether your phone was in the cell and (I think) read data
> going to or from that phone.
>

More sneaky than that. There are spoof boxes which a cell phone
unwittingly connects to, "thinking" this is the cell tower. The signal
then gets relayed to the cell tower so the owner of the phone remains
blissfully unaware. Now authorities or those who claim to be have access
to the whole datastream including voice, data and everything.

[...]

[Radey Shouman]

John B. <slocom...@gmail.xyz> writes:

---------------------%<----------------------

> We've had a number of robberies, a bomb at the Eurawan hotel shrine
> and more to the point the machine gunning of a politician's car, it
> must have been 4 years ago. In every case the police released CCTV
> film of the event. Apparently even Bangkok has them "all over the
> place".
>
> But even more interesting is that many businesses, particularly gold
> shops, have CCTV systems installed and there was a case a couple of
> years ago about a foreigner who claimed to be persecuted by the
> police, falsely accused of stealing from a duty free shop at the
> airport.... After the CCTV film was shown on TV the claims of
> persecution sort of evaporated :-)

Sometimes those cameras are handy, for example the case of some Santa
Ana Ca police misbehaving during a raid on a (legal) marijuana shop.
They tried to disable all the cameras, but missed one ....

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/08/cops-filmed-behaving-badly-say-pot-shops-camera-illegally-recorded-raid/
--

[John B.]

Here the sale of marijuana is illegal so the police would be thankful
for any cameras installed in the shop.
--
cheers,

John B.

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per Radey Shouman:

> Santa
>Ana Ca police misbehaving during a raid on a (legal) marijuana shop.
>They tried to disable all the cameras, but missed one ....
>
>http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/08/cops-filmed-behaving-badly-say-pot-shops-camera-illegally-recorded-raid/

Sounds like finally, after over 20 years (Rodney King was when? 1992?)
the cops are copping to the fact that they may be on Candid Camera.

Maybe another 20 years and the possibilities of backup systems and live
streaming to remote servers will start to dawn on them..... -)
--
Pete Cresswell