Why Are People Here?

[Tom Kunich]

I would like to know why Frank, John B, Jay and Ridesalot are here? What have they EVER added to this group?

This started out as a group that Sheldon or Jobst would answer technical questions. These are still answered but almost entirely by Andrew.

I have posted many informational postings about components that actual riders might be curious about. But the actual information is then hidden by the absurd fools that have inhabited this group for no discernable reasons.

What sort of CS does Frank have to be to argue that my experience with slack spokes is wrong?

As noted in another string, John B, Jay and Frank argued that tubeless tires are a waste of time and now that racers are turning more and more to them so that they don't get flats and have lower rolling resistance he seems to think that they are a new coming item. I guess Jay thinks that maybe they are the waste of time that he proclaimed them loudly.

Why is John B. even on this group? Plainly he doesn't even own a bike. Maybe he uses one of those rentals to ride into the city?

Ridesalot has never added one single line of worth.

Well, having watched the Tour team time trial I'm going to take a ride on a $4,000 bike while Frank and John argue that the world is flat or flatter.

[jbeattie]

I went for a walk with my wife today and will ride later. I'm tired from ride to Hood River yesterday. Basically this ride: https://www.strava.com/routes/2549556 Maybe a few miles more since I start further south -- and had to double back on a couple unfinished segments of the Columbia River Trail, but then again, I didn't do the gratuitous loop at the end. I rode straight to town and got a fabulous peanut butter cookie at my favorite coffee spot and family gathering spot. I had to floor it from Portland to make the meeting time, which I did.

The trail is discontinuous between Cascade Locks and Hood River, so you ride the highway and look for finished segments. BTW, Cascade Locks is Bridge of the Gods -- finishing scene of "Wild." http://www.dronestagr.am/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/BOG-West-HDR-1200x800.jpg

The new trail segments include incredible bridge structures next to HWY 84: https://www.flickr.com/photos/oregondot/44536529411/in/album-72157671011409117/ Not cheap: https://pamplinmedia.com/go/42-news/387356-276271-gorge-bike-trail-extension-rolls-in-at-21-million

The structure is mostly finished and looks like the artists rendition, but its not open from the west. I did a hike a bike and had it to myself until I got near one of the trail heads further east, then it was infested with walkers. Some of my iPhone shots of the as-finished segment. https://www.flickr.com/photos/127780478@N03/? I like the bridge to nowhere.

Then it was back out onto the highway until I got to Hood River: https://hoodriver.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/vaca_guide.jpg There were so many touristas and wind surfers that I had to wait forever for my peanut butter cookie.

Technical content: it unexpectedly rained all the way from SE82nd in Portland to past Multnomah falls, and I was totally unprepared, riding my Emonda with no fenders and with rim brakes -- which worked half as well as my discs in the rain. When it started to pour, it was like aspirational stopping. Gee, I hope I stop. OE Shimano pads on scored aluminum rims. I'm switching to Kool-Stop salmon pads. The descent from Vista House was timid, but more because of traction than braking, plus I was cold. When its dry, you can haul. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQRS3OOvkTM&t=159s There were still tons of touri at the Falls -- actually, lots of people at all the falls for such a dreary day. https://backroadplanet.com/columbia-river-gorge-waterfalls/

Then I hit that magical dividing line on the Gorge between wet and dry. It stopped raining and dried out, and most of my clothing dried except my socks. Rolled off the arm warmers and it was summer again. Clothing recommendation: Showers Pass base layer. https://www.showerspass.com/collections/mens-baselayers/products/mens-body-mapped-baselayer-sleeveless I would have frozen to death with a cotton tee as a base layer.

-- Jay Beattie.

[Andre Jute]

On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 6:27:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> I would like to know why Frank, John B, Jay and Ridesalot are here? What have they EVER added to this group?

Well, Franki-boy Krygowski is here because he once hoped to be "a spokesmen for bicycles", until the bicycles held a caucus and revolted in disgust. Jay is here because he breaks a lot of components on his bike. Ridealot is here to keep what he calls "trolls" out; he doesn't explain how he will fill the space vacated by the "trolls". I don't know why John B is here, but I don't see that so small a group can afford to lose someone so eager to look up stuff for us on net.

> This started out as a group that Sheldon or Jobst would answer technical questions. These are still answered but almost entirely by Andrew.

Muzi's patience with fools is exemplary, and his willingness to share information admirable.

> I have posted many informational postings about components that actual riders might be curious about. But the actual information is then hidden by the absurd fools that have inhabited this group for no discernable reasons.

I got bored with the morons turning every thread into a flame war, so for years now I've published whatever I had to say of a bicycle engineering nature elsewhere and noted it on RBT, if at all, merely with a brief reference. You can find a major study of chain guards for touring bikes, and another project on locking/unlocking steering tubes as an anti-theft measure, a major consideration of balloon tyres, and much about the Rohloff, to take just a few examples of components I considered, and some that I introduced to that readership, on the better-mannered Thorn forum. Notice the difference in tone: on RBT the majority of the posts will be straight-up abuse or vicious attempts by the usual scum to denigrate me; on the Thorn forum I'm much appreciated for giving my time and money to testing and description.

> What sort of CS does Frank have to be to argue that my experience with slack spokes is wrong?

Franki-boy doesn't know any engineering beyond the sort a jumped-up welder learns off by rote. Read the old threads and notice how contemptuous Jobst Brandt, surely the top engineer ever on this forum, was about Krygowski's claims.

> Why is John B. even on this group? Plainly he doesn't even own a bike. Maybe he uses one of those rentals to ride into the city?

To keep us humble? After all, in the coming socialist paradise, the workingman will be the centre of the universe, that master and owner of all he surveys. Far from criticising him, if you know what is good for you, you should suck up to him. Why, come the revolution, John B might appointed Bicycle Commissar.

> Ridesalot has never added one single line of worth.

Rideablot is the lowest common denominator, not expected to contribute anything startling. He's a reliable group thinker; he croaks when all the other frogs croak.

> Well, having watched the Tour team time trial I'm going to take a ride on a $4,000 bike while Frank and John argue that the world is flat or flatter.

Ride tall!

Andre Jute

[news18]

On Sun, 07 Jul 2019 10:27:27 -0700, Tom Kunich wrote:

> I would like to know why Frank, John B, Jay and Ridesalot are here? What
> have they EVER added to this group?

Oddles of stuff. Real stuff and no fantasies from blind people.

>
> This started out as a group that Sheldon or Jobst would answer technical
> questions. These are still answered but almost entirely by Andrew.

They game their opinion and when the sheep want to flock, then you leave
them to it.

The people you mention base their answers and opinions on the real world,
not soley the lycra lout's world of inadequatcies.

>
> I have posted many informational postings about components that actual
> riders might be curious about. But the actual information is then hidden
> by the absurd fools that have inhabited this group for no discernable
> reasons.

I guess that tells you a ot about the value of what you post. Very few
peole recognise gems of information in a mountain of turds that you
usually post.

> Well, having watched the Tour team time trial I'm going to take a ride
> on a $4,000 bike

And that is why I totally ignore your "bicycle advice", it comes from the
lycra world of fantasy.

[John B.]

On Sun, 7 Jul 2019 10:27:27 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<slto...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I would like to know why Frank, John B, Jay and Ridesalot are here? What have they EVER added to this group?
>
>This started out as a group that Sheldon or Jobst would answer technical questions. These are still answered but almost entirely by Andrew.
>
>I have posted many informational postings about components that actual riders might be curious about. But the actual information is then hidden by the absurd fools that have inhabited this group for no discernable reasons.
>
>What sort of CS does Frank have to be to argue that my experience with slack spokes is wrong?
>
>As noted in another string, John B, Jay and Frank argued that tubeless tires are a waste of time and now that racers are turning more and more to them so that they don't get flats and have lower rolling resistance he seems to think that they are a new coming item. I guess Jay thinks that maybe they are the waste of time that he proclaimed them loudly.
>
>Why is John B. even on this group? Plainly he doesn't even own a bike. Maybe he uses one of those rentals to ride into the city?
>

Actually I own 3 bikes one I keep at the house in Bangkok and two I
keep here in the mountains. I used to have 4 but I gave one away.
I might also comment that the"newest" is about 20 years old, or maybe
more, and I've owned it for ten years. The others I've only owned for
6 or 7 years.

>Ridesalot has never added one single line of worth.
>
>Well, having watched the Tour team time trial I'm going to take a ride on a $4,000 bike while Frank and John argue that the world is flat or flatter.

I see... I suppose that owning a $4,000 bicycle is meaningful? An
indication of superior knowledge, perhaps? Or is it just another
attempt to prove that you really are "Somebody". Sort of "maybe I
don't know nothing but I got a $4000 bike"?

How about starting a new subject, "Bicycle Braggarts", just for you.

But "Well, having watched the Tour team time trial". Perhaps you
didn't know it but Jay used to actually race bicycles rather than
just watching them on the T.V.

Or were you are just trying to overawe us with the fact that you own a
TV?
--
cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Sun, 7 Jul 2019 13:56:54 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie <jbeat...@msn.com>
wrote:

But did you make this ride on a $4,000 bicycle. That is the important
part.

At least from Tom's point of view.
--
cheers,

John B.

[Sir Ridesalot]

Well, today I had a very nice ride on an old red Bianchi that I've been putting Suntour Cyclone components on. Thus far it has Cyclone brake levers, Cyclone shifters and derailleurs and a Cyclone crankset. I just put on a pair of Suntour lookalike Cyclone Track pedals and Christophe toe-clips. It was a thoroughly enjoyable day and ride on through varying scenery with this old Bianchi. It's getting a lot of use.

Cheers

[jbeattie]

No comment. I got my Trek pro deal -- basically half-price because I do work for Trek, and my regular riding companions have uber-expensive bikes, but its all pro deal, and nobody talks about price. That's crass -- and meaningless. Any dope can walk into a store and spend money -- and many do.

My friends and I like to talk about deals. We live in the land of deals -- with Castelli USA and Rapha USA and Showers Pass in Portland, the annual sales are awesome. My friends also get a lot of free stuff, usually beta product. I was particularly fond of my son's company issued beta head unit that showed 8,000 meters of elevation gain when you turned it on -- it spotted him 8,000 feet, which I thought was awesome. Free climbing. He was also supposed to beta test smart glasses with video display, but he passed. My best riding buddy comes back from Interbike or China or some other trade show with odd-ball stuff. The pre-market products are the most worthy of discussion -- weird things you can't buy.

-- Jay Beattie.

[Tom Kunich]

I did 38 miles and 1622 feet of climbing. But I was in a hurry to get back since it was my wife's birthday.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 7/8/2019 12:30 AM, jbeattie wrote:
> I was particularly fond of my son's company issued beta head unit that showed 8,000 meters of elevation gain when you turned it on -- it spotted him 8,000 feet, which I thought was awesome. Free climbing. He was also supposed to beta test smart glasses with video display, but he passed.

I'm amazed at the data-head cycling contingent. I have no idea how many
meters elevation gain I've ever done. Heck, I don't usually click to see
my average speed - partly because it's too embarrassing.

Many decades ago on our first trip to England, we were staying at a
hostel somewhere in Devon. Another guy and his son bragged that they had
ridden 100 miles to get there that day.

When I later related that to another guy in the hostel, he said in a
dismissive tone, "Oh, he's just doing it for the numbers."

--
- Frank Krygowski

[dave]

I came for the tech I stayed for the witty discourse and generalised
cursing of Andre Jute for no apparent reason. It's a hobby for some. And
he will often take the bait and run with it, producing some finely
crafted "Sick burns".

Two wheels are good. Two wheels are useful. Rentals are useful. Less
rolling resistance is useful. Opinions from a wide array of sources on
the benefits of correct spoke tension is useful. Absurd fools can be a
useful source of info on occasion and often entertaining.

Nay saying, negative vibe waving, opinionated California twats with
expensive bikes are not good. Not useful.

You at least seem to understand the need for you to add value to the
group. Intellectually, at least. John B adds value in the form of cycling
viewed from a different cultural perspective. Don't like his posts,
killfile.

Ridesalot. Don't like his posts, killfile.

Anyone. Don,t like their posts, killfile.

There are many cyclists of many types here. All with different viewpoints
and experiences. There's no need to lower the debate to a chimpanzee
style shit flinging match.

This is usenet. Stop being such a whinger.
--
davethedave

[jbeattie]

I don't even have an odometer/speedometer, but I'll probably get one or download Strava and have my phone do it. I do like to know how far I've gone and the elevation, although its not that important.

I no longer criticize the data-driven. First, people can do what they want to do (being data OCD is harmless), and second, for those who are training -- bicycling, weight lifting, what-have-you -- the studied seem to make huge improvements. I'm not training for anything except riding with my son in Utah. Data is not that important to me, and knowing my power would be downright depressing.

-- Jay Beattie.

[Frank Krygowski]

I'm not really criticizing the data-driven cyclists. I'm just amazed at
the phenomenon, in much the same way I'm amazed by the couple I know who
weigh their portions at every meal. I think it makes sense if you're a
racer, to help your training. I'm just amazed that non-racers get that
data hungry.

My most unique bike-related data obsession is probably the big U.S. map
on the wall. It's from USGS, 40 years ago, and about five feet wide by
three feet high. It shows no roads, but shows water features and
national parks (back then) plus little circles of apparently randomly
chosen towns. There are maybe 50 towns shown in a typical state.

Starting about the 1970s, I got in the habit of filling in the circle
with a red dot any time I rode at least a mile in that town. Eventually,
it became incentive to ride to new towns, especially on vacation. "Hey,
we're not far from Oswego! I can ride there and get a new dot!"

Occasionally, it's driven my wife crazy. "You're not going to take your
bike out and ride here, are you? It's raining!" "But this will be my
first dot in Oklahoma! Sit tight; I'll be back soon."


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Duane]

You find motivation where it works for you. I like keeping track of my
performance. I'm not obsessive about it but it helps keep me motivated
to push.

[Sir Ridesalot]

I just bought a Cateye wireless bicycle computer. When I'm touring or riding long distances exploring, I find it nice to know how far I've gone and my average speed so that I know when to turn back for home. I just got the basic 8-functions one. I don't need to know temperature and a lot of the other stuff on the more expensive units.

Cheers

[Frank Krygowski]

My touring bike has an Avocet 35. Maybe 7 functions? I look at a few of
them - the speed and sometimes average speed. I'll check trip miles at
the end of a ride, and occasionally during one.

Since I still use paper maps, the trip odometer is occasionally handy
during a ride for navigating - as in "I have to turn left after 3/4 mile."


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Sir Ridesalot]

I loved the old Cateye Solar bicycle computer because you could set an alarm for a certain distance. That made finding roads and trails quite easy even if they were pretty overgrown.

The alarm could be set for rpms or a couple of other things including heart rate if you had the optional heart rate monitor that plugged into the cadence port.

Cheers

[Tom Kunich]

I record my performance because I like to keep track of where I am this year compared to last. This is how I've noted that aging. Though it may not be as fearsome as I thought. I notice that my legs are returning to their former size though VERY slowly.

[John B.]

But did he post the details on the Internet so everyone would know
what a wonderful and athletic person he was? And that he has a $4,000
bicycle?
--
cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

My, the tears flow so often and heavily from your eyes when you come to discover that someone was a great deal more successful than you and even with memory deficits can remember numbers better than you.

[Frank Krygowski]

Interesting! Sort of like a countdown timer, but counting distance
instead of time? I can see how that could be useful.


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

I'm sure he didn't post it, since this was in 1976. He might have
thumb-tacked it to the hostel's bulletin board! ;-)




--
- Frank Krygowski

[John B.]

:-) Tom I own two homes, outright, no mortgage, and you own a $4,000
bicycle. Tell us again about success.
--
cheers,

John B.

[jbeattie]

I like my iPhone for maps, although the small screen and lighting issues can make it frustrating, OTOH, a paper map often doesn't have the detail unless you take section maps. I also like taking pictures now, because sometimes you encounter things nobody would believe without a picture. Like an empty bike bridge. https://www.flickr.com/photos/127780478@N03/48224598087/

In fact, you can use your phone as a head unit if you buy a sensor and download the right aps.

-- Jay Beattie.

[Sir Ridesalot]

Or a paper map doesn't show that the bridge over the river has been out for 30+ years. That happened to us one time in Northern Ontario, Canada with so called up to date topographic maps. We road along an old logging road and discovered that there was no bridge over the river although the map showed one there. Fortunately the water wasn't too cold and we were able to swim across with the bikes and then again a couple of times with our gear.

Cheers

[lou.h...@gmail.com]

On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 8:20:08 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:


>
> I'm not really criticizing the data-driven cyclists. I'm just amazed at
> the phenomenon, in much the same way I'm amazed by the couple I know who
> weigh their portions at every meal. I think it makes sense if you're a
> racer, to help your training. I'm just amazed that non-racers get that
> data hungry.
>

Define a racer or a non racer. Why are you so amazed and telling us that again and again followed by another more or less silly story or habit about yourselve or one of your friends/riding buddies.

At the end of my annual week in the real mountains I participated again in the 'Maratona dles Dolomiti' an event with over 9000 participants. All with their own motivation. Some of them just want to finish, most of them want to do 'well' or even win in their class. Even the people who just want to enjoy the stunning scenery prepared themselves in one way or the other using some kind of data (heartrate, progress in average speed, power) to keep track of their progress in their preparation. Everyone, even the ones who took the whole day to finish the shortest distance and just enjoyed the scenery or the company of the fellow cyclist from all over the world will look at the ranking provided by the organisation:

https://services.datasport.com/2019/velo/maradolo/

Some of them just laugh and make fun of themselves, some of the will be happy to see that they done well and some will be disapointed and find a motivation to do better next year. All good and we all have a beer or a pasta afterwards.

Yet here we are stuck with Frank telling us he is amazed, dont understand our motivation to use data and telling us again and again that the improvement in performance using more advanced equipment is irrelevent, non detectable or silly to use for non racers.
You told us you did some races and time trials in the past, but you are to old for that now or to slow, but please stop make snotty remarks about people that didn't gave up on that yet. It makes you a nicer/less annoying person on the web.

Lou

[Andre Jute]

On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 2:03:51 AM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
>
> I like my iPhone for maps, although the small screen and lighting issues can make it frustrating,

Polar Beat, the app I use with Polar's H7 heart rate monitor belt and sender, uses the iPhone to you speak to you every kilometer or mile to tell you how fast you covered it and what your average heartrate was. There's much more you can do with it, but I find that enough since I ride on familiar roads and the motor setting (there are nine of which use five) fills in the tops of the hills so I'm not likely instantly to drive my heart up to 120% or something equally lethal. On the bike I use the smallest iPhone, the 4S, long since obsolete, but worth hunting up as NOS, or you can buy the later copy, slightly bigger, that Apple launched a few years back. Since you can't read the screen anyway, it doesn't matter that it is small; indeed, it is an advantage. It is carved from solid ali, and mine looks brand-new despite nearly a decade of abuse, because it is now on its third new leather and D30 (a military plastic used to put between the side plates of tanks -- it hardens in a millisecond on any impact) cover. I was thinking the other day of buying one NOS because the plastic ones would just cost a lot of money meanwhile, but discovered that what is sold as new old stock on the net is instead reconditioned, and I don't fancy someone else's germs.

Andre Jute
Calmly, but at flank speed

[Andre Jute]

On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 11:54:00 PM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
>
> But did he post the details on the Internet so everyone would know
> what a wonderful and athletic person he was? And that he has a $4,000
> bicycle?
> --
> cheers,
>
> John B.

Jesus wept. Can't you just once keep your teenage spite to yourself, Slow Johnny?

Andre Jute
Bored shitless

[Sir Ridesalot]

Speaking of data on bicycle computers or data relating to bicycling that some people would like to have. One piece of data that I like to have when out riding hard is heart rate. I don't want to overdo it and have either a stroke or heart attack far from home. Therefore I bought myself a heart rate monitor. Which reminds me I need to get a new battery for the display part of it.

Oh, and to answer Tom's question as to why people come here. It's primarily to gain and to share bicycling related things. Sometimes we give hints or step by step instructions as I did with my seatpost headset cup removal tool and my threadless stem and handle conversion to allow a handlebar bag to be fastened to that unit attached to a seatpost so the bag is behind the rider where even heavily loaded it doesn't affect steering.

Cheers

[Andre Jute]

On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 5:57:04 PM UTC+1, davethedave wrote:
> There's no need to lower the debate to a chimpanzee
> style shit flinging match.

I had four chimpanzee or more precisely bonobo, an extraordinarily intelligent type of the genus. They were called MiniAndre One, Two, Three and Four. I took them as babies at gunpoint from "hush meat" butchers who had killed their mothers and were fattening them up for Chinese restaurateurs to chop off the tops of their skulls and have their brains eaten while still alive -- and that was the best thing that could happen to them; other Asian restaurateurs, believing the meat of animals that had been tortured to taste sweeter, would strip the meat off them while they were still alive; the weeping neurotics of PETA should turn their attention to the dogs which are daily tortured to death several places in Asia, but those poor politically correct dears are too worried that someone will call them a racist for mentioning it. Anyhow, as we used to say Down Under (that's a troll of the thief Peter Howard, whatever several names he goes under now, in case you don't know), my bonobo were more intelligent than half the posters here, well, okay, except for the one who scooped a piranha out of my swimming pool (I'm too fair-skinned to hang around pools, so I kept my piranha in the heated pool) in Connecticut and while biting its head off had its tongue bitten, so maybe he was only more intelligent than 40% of the posters here. And frankly (Franki-boyly?), my bonobo, walking through the lobby of the Pierre with me in their summer seersucker suits, being greeted by the staff as "Mr One", etc, according to which year it was, were more handsome, a lot more handsome, than at least half the posters here. One of them struck up a relationship with a policewoman and at weekends would keep tugging at my pants leg and pointing northwards and chatter away about how he wanted to go to Connecticut to see his sweetheart. So the bonobo even had more sympathetic human relations than several posters here that I can name.*

Andre Jute
*I'm afraid I had to disappoint him. My relations with the police were a bit less agreeable than his since a neighbour accused my innocent piranha of eating his prize spaniel -- bullshit, they never did, there would have been bones at the bottom of the pool; the spaniel was very likely lifted by a gang who stole expensive dogs to order: one of their members sidled up to me at the flower shop and asked if I wanted another leash (three) of Borzoi "at a good price" -- and during the investigation one of my tarantula woke up in my pocket and, disturbed by the loud voices and the glaring lights, jumped into the darkness -- and onto a policemen; also, my girlfriend, an actress with well-developed powers of projection, and the daughter of a former attorney-general, bit a policeman who was foolish enough to lay hands on her and call her "hysterical" so badly that he had to have stitches; it took the company lawyers weeks and quite a bit of money to sort out the ensuing mess, and meanwhile I spent weekends at the company guest house on Long Island, to the disgust of my Borzoi, who didn't like the low-bred dogs of Long Island, and Number Three, who was the bonobo enamoured of the policewoman. One of the lawyers said primly, in the sour manner of his class, "Just as well you didn't bring your anaconda [actually a Python Natalensis, an African constrictor longer at over five metres than lesser snakes] here with you this time. I shudder to think how far the manure would have been spread if that bloody snake started licking a policeman." He wasn't amused when I said, "Fredl [my snake was a she-snake brought to me by a fellow I played tennis with, called Fred, whose new wife threatened to divorce him unless he divorced the snake] just licks you to let you know she's hungry. and wants a goat or or a sheep. It only happens every six months or so. She isn't dangerous if you feed her on schedule." There are so many restrictions these days that for pets I have to make do with a family of foxes, now in their fifth generation since I found the first family on the road headed for a pack of dogs that the owner let run loose, and herded the fox family with my bicycle (obligatory bicycle content, check!) to the gully below my orchard, from where gradually they've moved ever closer, and I have my eye on a female of good breeding from whom one day I will take pup to be an inside fox -- they make wonderful pets, especially if you bond with them while they're young by tickling them; I also have hedgehogs, several families who come to dine on the living room patio, and watch whatever movie we're showing on the television; and a heron from a family I brought to the river below my house years ago, who've now spread over all the tributaries; this one still comes to eat with our menagerie when dredgers are in the river on her territory.

[Duane]

+1

[Andre Jute]

Make that +2.

Andre Jute
You can always count on Lou to make sense.

[Frank Krygowski]

I've had several adventures with so-called closed bridges. My general
rule of thumb is, no road or bridge is closed for a bicyclists.

But on at least one occasion, it took me 20 minutes and some difficult
climbing, carrying the bike and/or using it as a prop, to make it past a
thoroughly missing bridge. I won't be using that route again.

Tip: If you remember to keep the brakes squeezed, you can use a bike
much like a hiking staff to get up a really steep slope.


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

On 7/9/2019 1:35 AM, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 8:20:08 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I'm not really criticizing the data-driven cyclists. I'm just amazed at
>> the phenomenon, in much the same way I'm amazed by the couple I know who
>> weigh their portions at every meal. I think it makes sense if you're a
>> racer, to help your training. I'm just amazed that non-racers get that
>> data hungry.
>>
>
> Define a racer or a non racer.

?? Is that a serious question?

> Why are you so amazed and telling us that again and again followed by another more or less silly story or habit about yourselve or one of your friends/riding buddies.
>
> At the end of my annual week in the real mountains I participated again in the 'Maratona dles Dolomiti' an event with over 9000 participants. All with their own motivation. Some of them just want to finish, most of them want to do 'well' or even win in their class. Even the people who just want to enjoy the stunning scenery prepared themselves in one way or the other using some kind of data (heartrate, progress in average speed, power) to keep track of their progress in their preparation. Everyone, even the ones who took the whole day to finish the shortest distance and just enjoyed the scenery or the company of the fellow cyclist from all over the world will look at the ranking provided by the organisation:
>
> https://services.datasport.com/2019/velo/maradolo/
>
> Some of them just laugh and make fun of themselves, some of the will be happy to see that they done well and some will be disapointed and find a motivation to do better next year. All good and we all have a beer or a pasta afterwards.
>
> Yet here we are stuck with Frank telling us he is amazed, dont understand our motivation to use data and telling us again and again that the improvement in performance using more advanced equipment is irrelevent, non detectable or silly to use for non racers.
> You told us you did some races and time trials in the past, but you are to old for that now or to slow, but please stop make snotty remarks about people that didn't gave up on that yet. It makes you a nicer/less annoying person on the web.

I did some races and time trials in the past. My training was ... riding
my bike. When I did the road racing, the only instrumentation available
was a click-click-click cyclometer. Later, for time trials and rides up
to 200 miles per day, I had a 3 function cyclometer, one that didn't yet
have average or top speed. Honest, Lou, it's possible!

You get to use all the electronics, all the data logging, all the fancy
equipment you want for whatever reason you want. If you like spending
money to increase your average speed by a few percent, have at it! I'm
not attempting to forbid it.

But as I seem to have to repeat to you, this IS a discussion group!
People ARE expected to discuss things like benefits and detriments. I
think that should apply both to one individual's style of riding and to
groups of individuals whose style is different.

Are you trying to forbid that discussion? Are you trying to say we
should approve of every technology that purports to make riding a little
faster or a little better? No disagreement allowed?

How strange.


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Sir Ridesalot]

Shit Frank, LOL that bridge I talked about wasn't closed it was gone completely!

On one of the mining roads in Northern Ontario Canada my buddy had trouble riding his loaded MTB up a rocky and loose surface road hill, so he decided to walk up the next hill like that. The problem was that when he tried to push the MTB up the hill he ended up sliding down instead. The next hill we rode he stayed in a low gear and rode it.

Cheers

[Frank Krygowski]

Mine too, the one where I used the bike as a sort of brace. It was on a road
along a lake I passed many times but never rode, about 40 miles from here. One
day, I changed my usual route to check it out despite the "Bridge Out" signs. I
asked several people along the road if a bike could get through, but nobody
knew. I was pretty committed when I rode a long, steep downhill to access the
road.

Nobody knew because the road department had _thoroughly_ closed the road,
including with a four foot high gravel pile, probably to keep out four-wheelers.
I climbed over that, rode another quarter mile, and saw the gap: Maybe 25 feet
across, maybe 8 feet deep, with a tiny stream about two feet wide at the bottom.

The slopes both down and up were as steep as the dirt would stand (i.e. at the
"angle of repose") so it was a real test of nerve. As I said, I got through it
by placing the bike sideways, locking the brakes, and using it as a brace both
down and up.

I've shouldered my bike and walked across steel beams of bridges without a deck.
I've walked across a creek on an I-beam that construction workers were using as
they rebuilt a bridge. I've ridden across just-completed bridges before they
were open to traffic (once with a white hard hat foreman yelling at me). It's
hard to stop a determined bicyclist.

- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

My home is worth $700,000. Why don't you tell us what to dump sites in Thailand are worth?

[Tom Kunich]

The top of the line Garman can cross connect to your iPhone and do just about anything you can conceive. So you can set precise courses of max mileage to turn-around etc.

[James]

> My home is worth $700,000. Why don't you tell us what to dump sites in Thailand are worth?
>

Over here, a term for what you are doing is called "dick swinging".

--
JS

[AMuzi]

I hear $750K buys bupkus in Oakland:

https://www.sfgate.com/realestate/article/Rockridge-teardown-real-estate-Oakland-19-offers-11083945.php#photo-12560539

Do you still have any property tax on such a cheap place?



--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Tom Kunich]

I arrived home after 39 miles, 3,500 ft. of climbing and logged it. Just over 2,000 miles and just over 80,000 Ft of climbing. I guess that keeping track of that sort of thing insults Frank whose idea of a ride is down to the village and back.

[Tom Kunich]

James, if you keep track of such things, I didn't start it. I damn tired of Frank and John taking pot shots at any and everything. Some SOB telling me that I should move from my home since I'm "sniveling" or some other POS who knows nothing about the stock market and believes like my brother than spending money now is far better than needing it later.

[Tom Kunich]

That is a piece of junk but it is in Rockridge neighborhood. It is a short bicycle ride to Cal Berkeley and directly next to a large multi-hospital/medical group complex. Aside from Piedmont this is the best place you can buy in Oakland.

[Sir Ridesalot]

The bridge I was talking about was COMPLETELY gone = no beams, absolutely nothing spanning that river. The river was too deep to wade across. It was quite the adventure that day.

Cheers

[Frank Krygowski]

On 7/9/2019 6:36 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>
> My home is worth $700,000. Why don't you tell us what to dump sites in Thailand are worth?

Are you satisfied with it? Good! Then stop bitching about how Obama has
made your area so terrible.

Are you not satisfied with it? Fine. Sell it, take the cash and move to
somewhere that will allow you to stop bitching about how Obama has made
your area so terrible.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[news18]

On Tue, 09 Jul 2019 15:08:50 -0700, Frank Krygowski wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 4:23:58 PM UTC-4, Sir Ridesalot wrote:

>> Shit Frank, LOL that bridge I talked about wasn't closed it was gone
>> completely!
>
> Mine too, the one where I used the bike as a sort of brace. It was on a
> road along a lake I passed many times but never rode, about 40 miles
> from here. One day, I changed my usual route to check it out despite the
> "Bridge Out" signs. I asked several people along the road if a bike
> could get through, but nobody knew. I was pretty committed when I rode a
> long, steep downhill to access the road.
>
> Nobody knew because the road department had _thoroughly_ closed the
> road, including with a four foot high gravel pile, probably to keep out
> four-wheelers.
> I climbed over that, rode another quarter mile, and saw the gap: Maybe
> 25 feet across, maybe 8 feet deep, with a tiny stream about two feet
> wide at the bottom.

In the distant path of my young adult age, we'd organise a club ride/tour
every Easter from Newcastle, Australia to the southern foothills of
Barrington Tops. Everytime, one or more low level timber bridge(s) would
be washed out and it would be alternate destination time.

Nothing so dramatic as steep hills as the creek beds were wide, 'shallow"
and full of "football' size rocks which you could relatively easily ford.
The real problem was the amount of water and the strong current from the
rain on the foothills durig the week prior. Whilst we crossed the Hunter
River on a substantial high level road bridge, the Williams, ??? and
Allyn Rivers were all low level and the bridges were timber ones that
suffered almost annual wash aways until they replaced them with a mixture
of concrete bridges and concrete bottomed fords abot s decade later..

[sms]

On 7/9/2019 4:01 PM, AMuzi wrote:

<snip>

> I hear $750K buys bupkus in Oakland:
>
> https://www.sfgate.com/realestate/article/Rockridge-teardown-real-estate-Oakland-19-offers-11083945.php#photo-12560539

LOL, it's probably a bad idea to judge wealth based on the value of
California real estate purchased a long time ago.

[AK]

On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 12:27:28 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
> I would like to know why Frank, John B, Jay and Ridesalot are here? What have they EVER added to this group?
>
> This started out as a group that Sheldon or Jobst would answer technical questions. These are still answered but almost entirely by Andrew.
>
> I have posted many informational postings about components that actual riders might be curious about. But the actual information is then hidden by the absurd fools that have inhabited this group for no discernable reasons.
>
> What sort of CS does Frank have to be to argue that my experience with slack spokes is wrong?
>
> As noted in another string, John B, Jay and Frank argued that tubeless tires are a waste of time and now that racers are turning more and more to them so that they don't get flats and have lower rolling resistance he seems to think that they are a new coming item. I guess Jay thinks that maybe they are the waste of time that he proclaimed them loudly.
>
> Why is John B. even on this group? Plainly he doesn't even own a bike. Maybe he uses one of those rentals to ride into the city?
>
> Ridesalot has never added one single line of worth.
>
> Well, having watched the Tour team time trial I'm going to take a ride on a $4,000 bike while Frank and John argue that the world is flat or flatter.

You may have a slight negative attitude to this gentlemen.

They have contributed GREATLY to this group.

Very best regards,

Andy

[John B. Slocomb]

On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:36:06 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich

I'm surprised as yesterday I came across something on the Internet:


From: "Tom Kunich" Subject: THIS IS MY HOUSE
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2/13/05
From: "Tom Kunich" Subject: THIS IS MY HOUSE

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Correct me if I'm wrong but this is my house.

From: <seeno...@excite.com>
i don't think so little 2" DICK tommy boy


Owner Name: KUNICH MARY H
Mailing Addr: 3539 MONTEREY SAN LEANDRO CA 94578
Situs Addr: 3539 MONTEREY BL SAN LEANDRO CA 94578
Legal Description:
ASSESSMENT
Total Value: $111,522 Use Code: 110 Zoning:
Land Value: $63,727 Tax Rate Area: 10020
Impr Value: $47,795 Year Assd: 2004 Impr Type:
Other Value: Property Tax: Price/Sqft: $98.18
% Improved: 43% Delinquent Yr:
Exempt Amt.: $7,000 Exempt Codes: Y
SALE HISTORY Sale1 Sale2 Sale 3 Transfer
Recording Date: 11/21/1978 05/13/1975 04/25/2003
Recorded Doc: 78 227455 75 063356 03 244028
Rec. Doc Type:
Transfer Amount: $20,000
Seller (Grantor):
1st Trs Dd Amt: Code 1: 2nd Trs Dd Amt: Code 2:
PROPERTY CHARACTERISTICS
Lot Acres: 0.110 Year Built: 1955 Fireplace:
Lot SqFt: 4,940 Effective Yr: 1956 A/C:
Bldg/Liv Area: 1,153
510-351-3807
--

Cheers,

John B.

[John B. Slocomb]

But Tom, neither Frank or I take "pot shots" at you when you tell the
truth.
--

Cheers,

John B.

[AMuzi]

As has Mr Kunich who does have signal amidst the noise.

[Duane]

Maybe but it's the signal to noise ratio that affects communication
channels...

[Tom Kunich]

The problem is that I've made a million dollars a long time ago and used it for my mother's medical bills then. I thought she also used part of that to buy this home but my brother tells me that she lived in another place before moving here. So it isn't clear to me how much property she went through before this place. Though I would have preferred it to be a block in any direction because I'm on what has become a main thoroughfare.

My wife also tells me that I paid her final medical bills and her burial.

I made a million again but my wife knew how to handle her own money and that of no one else. Then that divorce was expensive. She has since come back and doesn't appear to remember a thing about how much money I was paying her since I wanted her four kids to be supported. She managed to spend that going to the Jr Nationals three years and riding coast to coast.

After that I was doing pretty good and then Obama hit. I've recovered my investments but I have no idea where my bank balance went. Though my brother was living here at the time and he is like my wife - spend and spend. He continues to tell me "why don't you just take money out of your investments and buy a nice new car." Despite him now being financially dependent upon his more careful wife because of those sorts of ideas.

[sms]

On 7/10/2019 12:50 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:

<snip>

> Total Value: $111,522 Use Code: 110 Zoning:

<snip>

The assessed value is meaningless. Due to Prop 13 the assessed value is
limited to a 2% increase per year since 1976. That house currently has
an assessed value of $135,136 but would sell for around $750,000 today
and the new owner would have to pay property taxes based on the sale price.

[sms]

On 7/10/2019 6:13 AM, Duane wrote:

<snip>

> Maybe but it's the signal to noise ratio that affects communication
> channels...

An active filter greatly improves the signal to noise ratio.

[Sir Ridesalot]

Not when others reply to them as that bypasses the filter and/or Killfile.

Cheers

[jbeattie]

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 7:11:21 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 10:07:00 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
> > On 7/9/2019 4:01 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > I hear $750K buys bupkus in Oakland:
> > >
> > > https://www.sfgate.com/realestate/article/Rockridge-teardown-real-estate-Oakland-19-offers-11083945.php#photo-12560539
> >
> > LOL, it's probably a bad idea to judge wealth based on the value of
> > California real estate purchased a long time ago.
>
> The problem is that I've made a million dollars a long time ago and used it for my mother's medical bills then. I thought she also used part of that to buy this home but my brother tells me that she lived in another place before moving here. So it isn't clear to me how much property she went through before this place. Though I would have preferred it to be a block in any direction because I'm on what has become a main thoroughfare.
>
> My wife also tells me that I paid her final medical bills and her burial.

You should have had the estate pay final medical and burial expenses, assuming the estate had assets apart from the house.

Look at it this way, you bought your mother's house. Although your stories never make sense, my take-away is that your mother left you the house because you were paying her medical bills -- rather than Medicare, Medi-Cal or private insurance. I'll just assume that you had some reason for paying her bills rather than turning them over to a public or private insurer.

So, when your mother died, the usual will (and the intestacy statute) generally provide that offspring share equally in the estate, which means you would have to share the house with your spendthrift brother and whatever other siblings you have. Instead, you got the house (I assume). You could have borrowed against the house to pay the bills, but you skipped that step, paid the bills and took the house. You were like a one-man reverse mortgage for your mom.

Another question that comes to mind is where was your own house? You should have two houses -- yours and mom's.

> I made a million again but my wife knew how to handle her own money and that of no one else. Then that divorce was expensive. She has since come back and doesn't appear to remember a thing about how much money I was paying her since I wanted her four kids to be supported. She managed to spend that going to the Jr Nationals three years and riding coast to coast.

Divorce sucks and kids are expensive. Try covering college.

> After that I was doing pretty good and then Obama hit. I've recovered my investments but I have no idea where my bank balance went. Though my brother was living here at the time and he is like my wife - spend and spend. He continues to tell me "why don't you just take money out of your investments and buy a nice new car." Despite him now being financially dependent upon his more careful wife because of those sorts of ideas.

GWB hit in 2008 when the housing/banking/everything market crashed. In 2009, Obama and the Fed instituted various measures to save the economy like TARP and quantitative easing -- which created a huge opportunity for people who wanted to buy REOs and properties in foreclosure in Las Vegas and other godforsaken places. You should have taken out a mortgage on mom's house, bought five houses in Vegas and rented them out and sold them this year for >$2.5M. Obama created such opportunities for you!

-- Jay Beattie.

[Tom Kunich]

My older brother worked for the railroad and couldn't afford to help with the murderous medical expenses at the time. He was supposed to have a fat railroad retirement but apparently the Southern, Northern and other Pacific RR's were sold off to the Union Pacific and all of the RR retirements were transferred into SS retirements so he is in no better a financial position than if he had worked a more healthy job.

Today medical insurance will NOT pay for research and development medical treatments. Though in rare cases they can be talked into it if it is financially profitable to them. (If ongoing medical expenses would be considerably higher than chancing an R&D success.) At that time, radiation and chemo-therapy was considered R&D.

My younger brother died at 49 from heart failure brought on by illegal drug use. This was five years after he had stopped using and he looked older at that age than I do now.

I was left the house and my older brother was left a Telephone Company stock plan return. I don't know how large that was but I don't think it was much. I was making a whole hell of a lot of money at that time and I wouldn't make him pay anything.

my youngest (younger now) brother is a half brother. He's the one that never lived poor and so doesn't know how to handle money.

The kids are step-children and I had to cash in a stock option which left my ex with the money and me with the tax bills. Then I paid $3,000/mth for 3 years in support. I was advised by my legal team that it wasn't necessary for me to pay one dollar in support but my concern was for the kids. Lot of good that did since she blew the money anyway. She does handle her OWN money with care. So she has come back and we won't be remarried and she lives on her money and I support her anyway with food and cooking and a place to live. She has done some things for the home such as buy a kitchen suite of appliances. That wasn't cheap.

There was a veterans home loan guarantee bill that passed Congress under FDR in 1944. Bill Clinton for reasons unknown to anyone with intelligence, widened this to include ALL Americans. This was a ticking time bomb with the US Government guaranteeing home loans for people that couldn't even raise a down payment without taking out a secondary loan.

This floated along through the Bush Presidency with banks growing more and more stupid with their loan practices until near the end of Bush's second term the banks start collapsing. In fact it only dropped the market in 2006-7 and the economy had returned to normal with most of the failed banks acquired by the large banks.

So the stock market problems had nothing to do with Bush. It was the second year of the Democrat Controlled Congress when they have the leash to set a budget. (remember that the budget year runs forward so that the first year was the budget from the previous Republican Congress.)

The SPENDING policies that the Democrats intended were clear to the stock market and they worried - BUT NOT MUCH. In September 2007, the market was at 17,063. At the start of Obama's kingdom, the market was at 10,700 DESPITE the promises that Obama made when campaigning that clearly had a socialist tinge of them. Under Obama the market hit 8,500. If you are simply returning to NORMAL from that low it appears to be a gigantic growth when it is nothing of the sort. Return from The original high from Obama's low is 200% growth while you haven't made one single penny if you have held your money. Now market players surely made a lot of money but that is a tiny percentage of the market and more were destroyed than enriched since entire enterprises were driven into bankruptcy overnight. There isn't ONE single American solar cell manufacturer left in this country as an example. Another is that of the last ten companies that I worked at, they were all acquired by one who had stalked me through these companies so they had faith in the products.

In the meantime, with Trumps rational growth, the numbers don't look all that amazing but multi-millionaires are popping up all over.

Dumbasses like Frank and John who don't have money invested and haven't had the shock of losing so much talk like they actually understand what the hell has happened. MY recovery from Obama's Great Recession has left me with $60,000 in long term capital gains - that means that despite not making one single penny I OWE the Federal government $8,500 and the state of California another $3,500.

If I weren't living on a social security income and had to pay the taxes I did when I was working I would lose $50,000. This isn't something that is funny. I have no idea what age you are and if you're putting away money for your retirement but this F-ing socialist attitude will take everything you have and throw you out on the street without a whim. So you'd damn well better start considering your own position.

[sms]

On 7/10/2019 1:00 PM, jbeattie wrote:

<snip>

> GWB hit in 2008 when the housing/banking/everything market crashed. In 2009, Obama and the Fed instituted various measures to save the economy like TARP and quantitative easing -- which created a huge opportunity for people who wanted to buy REOs and properties in foreclosure in Las Vegas and other godforsaken places. You should have taken out a mortgage on mom's house, bought five houses in Vegas and rented them out and sold them this year for >$2.5M. Obama created such opportunities for you!

LOL, Obama and the Fed prevented the economy from going into a deep
depression.

My mom died just about at the height of GWB's recession. We sold her
house when there were 80 foreclosures in her neighborhood and values
were falling about $2000 per month.

The housing market recovered nicely during the Obama years, now it's
stagnant again thanks to Trump. Her house was in South Florida and now
there are worries that with Trump and his fellow Republican climate
change deniers that South Florida is on its last 30 year mortgage cycle.
It's not just the tidal flooding that's a result of the sea-level rise,
it's salt water intrusion into the aquifer, and there's no fix for that.

[Tom Kunich]

You are welcome to believe anything you like regardless of it not having any comparison to reality.

[Frank Krygowski]

Aside from all your other moaning, fantasizing, distorting and ranting - what on
earth makes you think I don't have money invested? Why would you even speculate
on that? Are you trying to post some new record for the maximum number of
mistakes and falsehoods?

Sheesh!

- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

Teachers are rarely paid enough to have any significant investments. I never knew a PE that made diddly squat - except for the very top echelon most of them made about what an electronics technician did.

[Frank Krygowski]

There's a lot you never knew, Tom. The PE I worked with most closely dropped
his idea of adding an inside swimming pool to his home only because he realized
it would mean not socializing with his swimming buddies. This was before he
retired in his 50s.

Some would claim that high school dropouts are rarely paid enough to have any
significant investments. When one of them complains about the price of groceries,
it tends to corroborate that impression.

- Frank Krygowski

[Joy Beeson]

On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 13:23:56 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
<i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> Shit Frank, LOL that bridge I talked about wasn't closed it was gone completely!

I recall a new MUP advertised as having a restored historic bridge on
it. I came to the bridge, realized that I would have to back off and
take a run to get up the ramp leading to it, decided that I'd get off
and walk instead because I couldn't see what the condition of the deck
was.

And when I got to the top of the ramp, I could see the bridge lying on
the other bank of the creek.

I trespassed to a nearby road.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

[John B. Slocomb]

On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 16:06:03 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<slto...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 3:26:45 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 5:23:57 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:

>>many fantasies deleted <<

>> Aside from all your other moaning, fantasizing, distorting and ranting - what on
>> earth makes you think I don't have money invested? Why would you even speculate
>> on that? Are you trying to post some new record for the maximum number of
>> mistakes and falsehoods?
>>
>> Sheesh!
>>
>> - Frank Krygowski
>
>Teachers are rarely paid enough to have any significant investments. I never knew a PE that made diddly squat - except for the very top echelon most of them made about what an electronics technician did.

I suggest that you open you eyes and get out of the house and have a
look at the rest of the world. We employed quite a number of Engineers
on various projects in Indonesia, some of them had P.E. qualifications
and as I was generally responsible for setting salaries on the various
projects I can assure you that as a general statement an Engineer
would be paid only slightly less than the project manager and
certainly less than any electrical type that we ever employed.

Or is it just another example of the fool with his mouth open proving
to the world that he really, truly, is a fool.
--

Cheers,

John B.

[Andre Jute]

What makes it "active", Scharfie?

Andre Jute
I thought Rideablot's complaint is that the filter breaks down at the first reply

[John B. Slocomb]

On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 16:30:05 +0700, John B. Slocomb <jo...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 16:06:03 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
><slto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 3:26:45 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 5:23:57 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>many fantasies deleted <<
>
>>> Aside from all your other moaning, fantasizing, distorting and ranting - what on
>>> earth makes you think I don't have money invested? Why would you even speculate
>>> on that? Are you trying to post some new record for the maximum number of
>>> mistakes and falsehoods?
>>>
>>> Sheesh!
>>>
>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>
>>Teachers are rarely paid enough to have any significant investments. I never knew a PE that made diddly squat - except for the very top echelon most of them made about what an electronics technician did.
>
>I suggest that you open you eyes and get out of the house and have a
>look at the rest of the world. We employed quite a number of Engineers
>on various projects in Indonesia, some of them had P.E. qualifications
>and as I was generally responsible for setting salaries on the various
>projects I can assure you that as a general statement an Engineer
>would be paid only slightly less than the project manager and
>certainly less than any electrical type that we ever employed.

Goodness my spell checker failed me once again. Rather than
"certainly less than" it should have been spelled "certainly more
than", :-)

[Tom Kunich]

You should ask Wells Associates of Mill Valley what their minimum to accept a customer is then.

Someone like you that considers the reporting of a grocery bill as I do as "bitching" while looking at lame stream media reporting of President Trump's speeches and telling us that these reporters only make sense demonstrates just how out of alignment with reality you are.

[news18]

On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 09:58:51 -0700, Tom Kunich wrote:


> Someone like you that considers the reporting of a grocery bill as I do
> as "bitching"

Well, it is completely useless as "grocery bills" vary from location to
locationmeven when they are the same items.

When I was organising vehicile supported "club tours" it rapidy became
obvious that purchasing all the groceries locally was far cheaper that
coninual shopping as we went along. The burg I lived in had strong
competition in grocery items.

[Sir Ridesalot]

I went from the Broadview Gerrard area of Toronto Canada to LeBreton Flats in Ottawa and I was shocked at the difference in prices of everyday foods like bread, jelly and peanut butter. Things were far more expensive in that area of Ottawa than they were in that area of Toronto.

Cheers

[John B.]

I find the same thing even shopping in different shops, in the same
town, for the same label. Foodland is a large grocery store with a
number of branches in at least two cities here. Tesco-Lotus is a
department store with a large groceries department with branches all
over the country. The same item - with the same label- is normally
more expensive in Foodland.
--
cheers,

John B.

[Frank Krygowski]

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 9:30:14 PM UTC-4, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
>
> I went from the Broadview Gerrard area of Toronto Canada to LeBreton Flats in Ottawa and I was shocked at the difference in prices of everyday foods like bread, jelly and peanut butter. Things were far more expensive in that area of Ottawa than they were in that area of Toronto.

Both here at home and during our frequent visits to another part of our extended
family, I have a choice of groceries. At home, there are seven within easy biking
distance. In the other town, there are two that I'm familiar with.

I don't choose based on price. I choose based on the ride. Our home grocery is
the most expensive one in the area, but it's got the most pleasant bike route.
I don't worry about the price; I can afford it.

- Frank Krygowski

[Tim McNamara]

On Sun, 7 Jul 2019 10:27:27 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich <slto...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I would like to know why Frank, John B, Jay and Ridesalot are here?
> What have they EVER added to this group?

Because without them there'd be three readers in this newsgroup.

> This started out as a group that Sheldon or Jobst would answer
> technical questions. These are still answered but almost entirely by
> Andrew.

Yes, and we never had political discussion, harsh words and the wind was
always at our backs. Ah, the good old days when we were young and
beautiful. Well, young in my case anyway.

> As noted in another string,

"thread," not string.

> John B, Jay and Frank argued that tubeless
> tires are a waste of time and now that racers are turning more and
> more to them so that they don't get flats and have lower rolling

> resistance...

Measured rolling resistnce is higher, not lower, with tubeless. The
sealant sloshing around in there raises rolling resistance above that
resulting from adding a tube to the tire instead. But there are
tradeoffs on the plus side for tubless- sealing small punctures, much
reduced likelihood of pinch flats, allegedly even a cushier ride. And
like everything else there are some downsides. What compromises work
better for some might work less well for others. YMMV and all that.

[Tom Kunich]

Tubeless tires have lower rolling resistance than a tire with a standard tube. Latex tubes have lower resistance. Latex tubes also flat if you look at them funny.

The ADVANTAGE of tubeless is that it is almost impossible to get a flat. I have but only under an extraordinary scenario - I hadn't pumped the tire up for a couple of weeks and while maneuvering across a heavy traffic street to turn left I hit a pothole that I didn't see while watching traffic I could. So the real reason for the flat was very low inflation pressure.

[Don Gillies]

I stopped coming many years ago and happened back on the group today when I looked at my google groups list on my dwgillies account. I spend most of my time on the classicrendezvous list. I got on that list due to second childhood.

I used to enjoy this list because of Andrew Muri, and especially, finding out if i disagreed with anything he said (almost never).. I feel like andrew and I understand bike porn.... Here's an Andrew-inspired photo of mine ...

http://www.ece.ubc.ca/~gillies/raleigh/international/IMG_0779x.jpg

I used to enjoy debating what makes a headset index with jobst. I did it as a heavy riders and long head tubes. I never coasted on long downhills on that bike not once. I am an armchair mechanic, much less skilled in person, but I like to generate unusual repair ideas.

- Don Gillies
Who bought SEKAI 4000 decals from Andrew Muri
Palo Alto, CA, USA

[Tom Kunich]

It is unfortunate that I get into too many arguments here. But imagine a man who lives in Thailand talking about Trump or Frank who only posts to argue about anything and everything. His answer when I said that I would roll down a hill and when I hit smooth pavement on the flat my speedometer would continue going up 2 mph was to say I was lying. I went to a physics site and they simply said, "your speedometer has a slow reaction time". And indeed that proved to be the case.

It would be one thing if Frank added anything to the group but his entire focus appears to be taking as much away as possible. Him, John and a couple of others will change the subject of any posting. Imagine Russell calling a Croatian "racist". We were two steps below the blacks. I had an IQ of 145 and they wouldn't put me in the college prep courses. Ridesalot says that he doesn't notice 3%. I see that you live near me and know what climbing is. What is your take on him not noticing 3%? I'm riding over that in the big ring but I notice it a lot.

[Frank Krygowski]

On Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 12:41:46 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, August 30, 2019 at 7:17:13 PM UTC-7, Don Gillies wrote:
> > I stopped coming many years ago and happened back on the group today when I looked at my google groups list on my dwgillies account. I spend most of my time on the classicrendezvous list. I got on that list due to second childhood.
> >
> > I used to enjoy this list because of Andrew Muri, and especially, finding out if i disagreed with anything he said (almost never).. I feel like andrew and I understand bike porn.... Here's an Andrew-inspired photo of mine ...
> >
> > http://www.ece.ubc.ca/~gillies/raleigh/international/IMG_0779x.jpg
> >
> > I used to enjoy debating what makes a headset index with jobst. I did it as a heavy riders and long head tubes. I never coasted on long downhills on that bike not once. I am an armchair mechanic, much less skilled in person, but I like to generate unusual repair ideas.
> >
> > - Don Gillies
> > Who bought SEKAI 4000 decals from Andrew Muri
> > Palo Alto, CA, USA
>
> It is unfortunate that I get into too many arguments here. But imagine a man who lives in Thailand talking about Trump or Frank who only posts to argue about anything and everything. His answer when I said that I would roll down a hill and when I hit smooth pavement on the flat my speedometer would continue going up 2 mph was to say I was lying. I went to a physics site and they simply said, "your speedometer has a slow reaction time". And indeed that proved to be the case.

As I recall, I didn't say you were lying. I said what you claimed - that your
speed increased - was not possible.

If you had said "The speed indicated on my cyclometer increased" I might have
responded differently. But IIRC you were initially adamant that your speed
really did increase - a violation of physics so basic it should have been
obvious to everyone.

> It would be one thing if Frank added anything to the group but his entire focus appears to be taking as much away as possible.

Tom, as I've said, I refrain from correcting well over half of your mistakes.
I correct only the most blatant ones, or the ones most connected with my
professional specialties - like "a hollow shaft is stronger than a solid one."
Sheesh.

- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

And again you misrepresent what I was saying because it is good for your phony thesis, Good luck with that explaining it in the hereafter.

[Frank Krygowski]

OK, what I posted from memory wasn't a direct quote, but it did convey
your point.

What you actually said: "It only requires a very small amount of
chromium to greatly increase the strength of the axle. Moreover
hollowing the axle out also increases the rigidity of the axle."

That's a direct quote. But hollowing out an axle neither increases its
rigidity nor its strength.

In the hereafter, St. Patrick (the patron saint of engineers) is
probably rolling his eyes at you.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

So, I quoted the example of the Octalink in that same paragraph but you didn't for one second suspect I meant increasing the diameter of the BB axle while using less and higher grade material to get better results?

I am NEVER surprised at what you'll do.

[Andre Jute]

Krygowski is an ignoramus. He covers it up by always being on the attack, trying to prove other people are ignorant, but it soon becomes clear that even in engineering, supposedly his field, he doesn't have the brains to work something unfamiliar to him through from first principles. The college that put him in control of the minds of children must have been truly desperate to appoint someone in a hurry.

Andre Jute
Andre Is never more brutal than he has to be -- Nelson Mandela

[Tom Kunich]

I was surprised of his answer concerning Joerg's handlebar and exactly where it broke. Plainly there was no electrolytic corrosion so the steel liner had been put in there to keep the stem clamp from crushing the bar before they had sufficient experience with the metal.

The manner in which it broke suggested it had reached the elastic limit - meaning that it had been stressed to its limit too often for the thickness of the bar and the particular composition of the alloy.

Joerg wasn't improving anything by changing to steel if the steel itself is a high tensile strength and was manufactured to be light. Although the Young's modulus of steel is about three times that of aluminum, they have been building super-light steel components for so long that it is possible to buy components such as steel bars that actually have a lower fatigue limit than a normal aluminum bar.

[John B. Slocomb]

Ah but Tommie Frank doesn't have to try and "prove other people are
ignorant"... all he has to do is quote your posts and everybody knows.


--

Cheers,

John B.

[Frank Krygowski]

In other words, you're now claiming that's what you _meant_ to say?

If so, why didn't you actually _say_ that?

Personally, I believe you actually did believe poking a hole through the center
of a shaft somehow makes it stronger. I believe you now know that was dumb, and
are trying to cover your previous mistake.

I'm actually giving you credit for improving. Enjoy it! Bask in the glory!

- Frank Krygowski