Trucks parking in bicycle lanes

[sms]

<http://oi68.tinypic.com/23kw8d3.jpg>

I talked to the truck driver who was upset that I took a picture of his
truck and calmly explained to him that parking illegally in a bicycle
lane that is signed "No Stopping" was endangering cyclists like the one
in the picture. He was not happy about this explanation and began
verbally abusing me. I kept my cool. It's a terribly designed shopping
center and it's hard to do deliveries so trucks do this all the time.

I sent the photo to the sheriff's captain and our Public Works director
(a cyclist). I guess because I take office tomorrow I have a little more
influence now and got responses from both very quickly. They are going
to talk to the business owners and increase enforcement, and next year
they are going to begin working on a physical barrier which is really
the only practical solution since you can't expect the police to
constantly be monitoring the situation.

Traffic calming is one of my big pet peeves (of which I have a great many).

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[jbeattie]

I'm not terribly impressed by the supposed danger being that my morning commute includes this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgYXYtzbv0w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H27pqi_7yGA

Your road looks incredible -- sunny, warm, wide empty lanes and plenty of room to maneuver around one illegally parked truck. Shame on the truck, but throwing up barriers and creating a chute would be like killing gophers with an A-bomb. I hate chutes.

-- Jay Beattie.

[AMuzi]

right. Where are you going to ride once the snow is piled up
over half the lane?

--
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Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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MY VOTE: deliverymen have priority.

dilettante politicians take the bus

[Doug Landau]

On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 5:17:08 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:

What about the women walking three abreast on the san thomas aquino bike path, between cabrillo and 101? Here you are cruising along getting a great workout on the way to work and you have to slow all the way down to walking speed whether you chide them or not and gawd they fucken piss me off

[Frank Krygowski]

On 12/7/2016 8:15 PM, sms wrote:
> <http://oi68.tinypic.com/23kw8d3.jpg>
>
> I talked to the truck driver who was upset that I took a picture of his
> truck and calmly explained to him that parking illegally in a bicycle
> lane that is signed "No Stopping" was endangering cyclists like the one
> in the picture. He was not happy about this explanation and began
> verbally abusing me. I kept my cool. It's a terribly designed shopping
> center and it's hard to do deliveries so trucks do this all the time.

OTOH, it doesn't look very difficult to merge left and pass...

> I sent the photo to the sheriff's captain and our Public Works director
> (a cyclist). I guess because I take office tomorrow I have a little more
> influence now and got responses from both very quickly. They are going
> to talk to the business owners and increase enforcement, and next year
> they are going to begin working on a physical barrier which is really
> the only practical solution since you can't expect the police to
> constantly be monitoring the situation.

It doesn't surprise me that Scharf is a "protected cycle track"
advocate. Sheesh.


--
- Frank Krygowski

[W. Wesley Groleau]

On 12-07-2016 19:45, AMuzi wrote:
> right. Where are you going to ride once the snow is piled up over half
> the lane?

Merchants in Fort Wayne are happy we spent all that money to give them a
convenient place to put the snow from their parking lots. Even though
we call it a bike path.

--
Wes Groleau

[Joerg]

Ok, but be fair to the businesses. If you completely take away their
chances of receiving deliveries they will eventually leave. Then it can
look like this failed attempt of traffic calming in Sacramento:

http://hi-losacramento.blogspot.com/2010/10/failure-thy-name-is-k-street-mall-but.html

They are starting to recognize their mistakes and reversing things but
for a long time all you saw there was vacant or even boarded up store
fronts, panhandlers, and so on. It wasn't a nice place to be or even
travel through.

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[jbeattie]

Pedestrian malls rarely work. Oregon's effort failed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Mall

One thing I can say about Portland is that it has a vital downtown. I can do all my bricks-and-mortar Christmas shopping on lunch breaks. It is not a car-friendly downtown because of the pedestrian traffic, narrow streets and lack of parking, but if you are not in a car, it's great. Go to the Apple store and touch iThings. http://cdn.geekwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/20140621_131639.jpg It's a long walk, but River City is bicyclist gift heaven -- if you have the dough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X2OicP5TMM About the same distance away is Western Bikeworks -- less dough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5LG4gXnw-k

-- Jay Beattie.

[cycl...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 5:17:08 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:

Bicyclists who believe that other people should not make a living are one of the problems of why they are held in such low esteem. What you meant is that YOU might have been slowed down and wait for traffic to pass the truck before proceeding. My how respectful of you towards other people's jobs.

[cycl...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 8:03:12 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:

It is astonishing the failures of large sections of businesses not because they couldn't supply needs of the community but because they were literally regulated out of business.

Middle class people are leaving California in such numbers that very quickly there will be nothing but the top 1% income earners and the bottom 5%. This is what Moonbeam Brown wants - a state that is nothing more than a copy of the ancient city-states where there were princes and vassals.

I took a ride on a nice local dead-end canyon. This area used to be farming and ranching. It is all properties for sale now with the buildings that used to be for the farm workers now rented out to illegals. These all drive 4-wheel drive pickup trucks with snow tires on them up and down the road threatening the bicyclists who commonly exercise on that road since the traffic is light.

[Joerg]

Even in Europe they do. I remember when I was a kid about half a century
ago and cycled to an electronics shop 10 miles away in the German city
of Leverkusen where Bayer Corporation is headquartered and has a large
factory. It was almost a company town and they had a "Bayer Kaufhaus"
which translates to Bayer Department Store. They made the city center
pedestrian-only, to the point where even cyclists were harrassed when
riding through there. Sure enough even that big department store failed
and it was an eyesore for years. I couldn't believe it. This was the
grand finale:

http://www.leverkusen.com/guide/Archiv1.jpg/47/BayerKaufhaus09.jpg

> One thing I can say about Portland is that it has a vital downtown.
> I can do all my bricks-and-mortar Christmas shopping on lunch breaks.
> It is not a car-friendly downtown because of the pedestrian traffic,
> narrow streets and lack of parking, but if you are not in a car, it's
> great. Go to the Apple store and touch iThings.
> http://cdn.geekwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/20140621_131639.jpg
> It's a long walk, but River City is bicyclist gift heaven -- if you
> have the dough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X2OicP5TMM About the
> same distance away is Western Bikeworks -- less dough.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5LG4gXnw-k
>

Manhattan stores, restaurants and pubs also had a nice bost in business
after they greatly improved the bike path system there. The trick is,
they did not ban vehicles just like Portland didn't. That's key.

Since they started improving bike paths and opening trails out here we
also had our share of newly opened bike stores. This one in the middle
of Placerville is more high end:

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-1/p320x320/13412975_563276937186196_2838945833931649226_n.jpg?oh=cf0066679d32ff5ab2dcbe8528da9ecc&oe=58EDA7E7

Then two (!) in our village of not even 20,000 people. I bought my MTB
at one of them, mainly to support them. Unfortunately our village board
doesn't get their priorities right and they do almost nothing for
cyclists unless forced to. So most people truck their bikes to Folsom or
to trail heads. Others do "mixed-mode" commutes where they use their
cars until they get to the main bike path, then switch. Because they
don't want to ride on roads.

[jbeattie]

So if you're "making a living," you don't have to obey parking regulations and traffic laws? So those illegals in their trucks can buzz you on the canyon road if they're making a living? Next time I'm pulled over by a cop for a traffic infraction, I'll say, "but I'm making a living!" It's kind of like diplomatic immunity.

-- Jay Beattie.

[AMuzi]

Just riding my bicycle, minding my own business, other
people assume I will not stop at stop signs and assume my
politics/cultural ethos wrongly.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 12/8/2016 1:32 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> Just riding my bicycle, minding my own business, other people assume I
> will not stop at stop signs and assume my politics/cultural ethos wrongly.

I enjoy stopping for stop signs, just to show that it can be done on a
bike. ;-)

Actually, my most extreme case of hyper-obedience is an intersection I
ride almost daily - a "tee" on Main Street with the side street to the
right, the direction I'm turning. The traffic light has a sign hanging
next to it, "No Turn on Red" (only God knows why). And when I'm first
at the red, I diligently sit there just to show off my obedience.

OTOH, I _always_ violate the 25 mph speed limit on the downhill into the
village center. That's just for fun.


--
- Frank Krygowski

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[sms]

On 12/8/2016 9:11 AM, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:

<snip>

> Bicyclists who believe that other people should not make a living are one of the problems of why they are held in such low esteem. What you meant is that YOU might have been slowed down and wait for traffic to pass the truck before proceeding. My how respectful of you towards other people's jobs.

Wait, so you believe that trucks should be allowed to illegally park in
no stopping zones so they don't have to drive around to the other side
of the building to make deliveries?

And that cyclists objecting to them breaking the law lowers the esteem
that they have for bicyclists?

Should the trucks have to stop at red lights? Those needless stops
reduce the number of deliveries that are possible.

Or were you being sarcastic and we are all too dense to realize it?

[sms]

On 12/7/2016 8:36 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

<snip>

> It doesn't surprise me that Scharf is a "protected cycle track"
> advocate. Sheesh.

And it doesn't surprise me that Frank advocates for illegal parking in
bicycle lanes.

For anyone unfamiliar with U.S. traffic laws, if a road is posted as
"No Stopping," whether or not there is a bicycle lane, you can't stop
and make deliveries, stop to take a phone call, stop to eat lunch, or
stop to take a nap. No stopping means no stopping.

No Parking has a different meaning. You can actually stop in a no
parking zone. Whether or not you can stop in a no parking zone that is a
bicycle lane is not perfectly clear.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 12/8/2016 4:09 PM, sms wrote:
> On 12/7/2016 8:36 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> It doesn't surprise me that Scharf is a "protected cycle track"
>> advocate. Sheesh.
>
> And it doesn't surprise me that Frank advocates for illegal parking in
> bicycle lanes.

Except that I did not advocate for illegal parking in bicycle lanes. Get
a grip!

--
- Frank Krygowski

[jbeattie]

On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 1:06:19 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
> On 12/8/2016 9:11 AM, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > Bicyclists who believe that other people should not make a living are one of the problems of why they are held in such low esteem. What you meant is that YOU might have been slowed down and wait for traffic to pass the truck before proceeding. My how respectful of you towards other people's jobs.
>
> Wait, so you believe that trucks should be allowed to illegally park in
> no stopping zones so they don't have to drive around to the other side
> of the building to make deliveries?
>
> And that cyclists objecting to them breaking the law lowers the esteem
> that they have for bicyclists?
>
> Should the trucks have to stop at red lights? Those needless stops
> reduce the number of deliveries that are possible.
>
> Or were you being sarcastic and we are all too dense to realize it?

Regulations requiring deliveries to be made off-street at the back of a business have basically crushed American business. You and your liberal political class friends can just shove those regulations up your Lycra-clad a****!

-- Bubba.

[sms]

On 12/8/2016 1:36 PM, jbeattie wrote:
> On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 1:06:19 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:

<snip>

>> Or were you being sarcastic and we are all too dense to realize it?
>
> Regulations requiring deliveries to be made off-street at the back of a business have basically crushed American business. You and your liberal political class friends can just shove those regulations up your Lycra-clad a****!
>
> -- Bubba.

Darn liberals!

But in this case, it's the bicycle lane that is in the back of the
business. So it would be more accurate to say:

Regulations requiring delivery trucks to make deliveries off-street,
without being allowed to park in no-stopping zones, have basically
crushed American business."

I am amazed that people are actually defending the right of trucks to
stop in no-stopping zones, that are also bicycle lanes, and put cyclists
in danger, in order to avoid having to drive around to the delivery
area. Actually nothing amazes me anymore when it comes to Frank.

-- Cletus

[sms]

On 12/8/2016 8:03 AM, Joerg wrote:
> On 2016-12-07 17:15, sms wrote:
>> <http://oi68.tinypic.com/23kw8d3.jpg>
>>
>> I talked to the truck driver who was upset that I took a picture of his
>> truck and calmly explained to him that parking illegally in a bicycle
>> lane that is signed "No Stopping" was endangering cyclists like the one
>> in the picture. He was not happy about this explanation and began
>> verbally abusing me. I kept my cool. It's a terribly designed shopping
>> center and it's hard to do deliveries so trucks do this all the time.
>>
>> I sent the photo to the sheriff's captain and our Public Works director
>> (a cyclist). I guess because I take office tomorrow I have a little more
>> influence now and got responses from both very quickly. They are going
>> to talk to the business owners and increase enforcement, and next year
>> they are going to begin working on a physical barrier which is really
>> the only practical solution since you can't expect the police to
>> constantly be monitoring the situation.
>>
>> Traffic calming is one of my big pet peeves (of which I have a great
>> many).
>>
>
> Ok, but be fair to the businesses. If you completely take away their
> chances of receiving deliveries they will eventually leave. Then it can
> look like this failed attempt of traffic calming in Sacramento:

OMG, who ever said that they can't receive deliveries. There are
delivery areas. These truck drivers just don't want to use them. They
have a sense of entitlement and don't believe that traffic laws apply to
them.

[W. Wesley Groleau]

On 12-08-2016 15:09, sms wrote:
> For anyone unfamiliar with U.S. traffic laws, if a road is posted as
> "No Stopping," whether or not there is a bicycle lane, you can't stop
> and make deliveries, stop to take a phone call, stop to eat lunch, or
> stop to take a nap. No stopping means no stopping.

Where have you been? Don't you know that every vehicle has a little
button that makes any spot a legal parking space? It's the one with the
little triangle on it.

--
Wes Groleau

[sms]

"But my flashers were on officer."

The way it was explained to me is that since a vehicle can't enter a
bicycle lane except to turn into a driveway or another street, even
stopping in a no parking bicycle lane would normally be illegal.

But if a line of cars making a turn into a driveway enters the bicycle
lane and stop there for a long period of time, with their engines
running and the driver in the car, the police don't consider that
parking, it's just stopping. So the cities began changing "No Parking"
to "No Stopping."

Bicycle lanes are not a place for delivery trucks to park to make
deliveries, no matter what Frank thinks.

[Frank Krygowski]

But Frank never said such a thing.

However, that won't prevent Scharf from making that assertion over and
over, for eternity.

What I said was merely this: "OTOH, it doesn't look very difficult to
merge left and pass..."

Was that hard to understand?


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

On 12/8/2016 4:46 PM, sms wrote:
> On 12/8/2016 1:36 PM, jbeattie wrote:
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 1:06:19 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>> Or were you being sarcastic and we are all too dense to realize it?
>>
>> Regulations requiring deliveries to be made off-street at the back of
>> a business have basically crushed American business. You and your
>> liberal political class friends can just shove those regulations up
>> your Lycra-clad a****!
>>
>> -- Bubba.
>
> Darn liberals!
>
> But in this case, it's the bicycle lane that is in the back of the
> business. So it would be more accurate to say:
>
> Regulations requiring delivery trucks to make deliveries off-street,
> without being allowed to park in no-stopping zones, have basically
> crushed American business."
>
> I am amazed that people are actually defending the right of trucks to
> stop in no-stopping zones, that are also bicycle lanes, and put cyclists
> in danger, in order to avoid having to drive around to the delivery
> area. Actually nothing amazes me anymore when it comes to Frank.

And with similar accuracy, I'll ask: Scharf, have you stopped beating
your wife?



--
- Frank Krygowski

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logical absurdity, fallacious ect, red herrings strawmen and obfuscation may support you stewardship of the public good but itsnot gonna hold water here.

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see what happens ? SMS is a number Nazi....1+1=2

2+2=4 1,1,0,1,1 = no puede entrar

the hell with the English tort system !

shit its Pope Urban allover again.

[cycl...@gmail.com]

If you're making a living you should be given the room to do so by cyclists and pedestrians. Stores cannot exist without deliveries and if you don't have merchandise you do not have stores.

[cycl...@gmail.com]

Absolutely the fastest way to destroy city centers is to hamper delivery of merchandise to stores. Do that and the malls open up outside of the city limits so that they can get enough land to deliver merchandise in the back. Apparently that doesn't bother you. But wait until you see it happen and a city fall apart and you'll know better. I've watched it happen to two local cities.

[cycl...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 1:11:01 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:

Two local cities fell completely apart by enforcing trucks stopping in front to make deliveries. One, Hayward, had the entire city center devastated with even the banks gone. And guess what started bringing the city center back? Allowing deliveries even on everything but the main street which is a transfer for a freeway and bumper to bumper almost 24 hours a day.

[Benderthe.evilrobot]

"sms" <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:o2ac81$a4f$1...@dont-email.me...

> <http://oi68.tinypic.com/23kw8d3.jpg>
>
> I talked to the truck driver who was upset that I took a picture of his
> truck and calmly explained to him that parking illegally in a bicycle lane
> that is signed "No Stopping" was endangering cyclists like the one in the
> picture. He was not happy about this explanation and began verbally
> abusing me. I kept my cool. It's a terribly designed shopping center and
> it's hard to do deliveries so trucks do this all the time.
>
> I sent the photo to the sheriff's captain and our Public Works director (a
> cyclist). I guess because I take office tomorrow I have a little more
> influence now and got responses from both very quickly. They are going to
> talk to the business owners and increase enforcement,

And if that doesn't work.................................

One trick is to inflate one of his tyres with a CO2 fire extinguisher. A
sticker of a bicycle picture on the bodywork near the doctored tyre gives
the fuckwit a clue to why.

When I had a motorcycle with tubeless tyres, I couldn't afford a compressor,
or pay the tyre place to blow the tyre onto the rim. So I rigged a Schrader
adaptor onto the hose of a CO2 extinguisher. A gotcha that got me first time
around - the extinguisher has a syphon tube, so held the right way up - it
filled the tyre with liquid CO2..........which continued expanding, RAPIDLY.
The alloy wheel was creaking alarmingly, and the adaptor had frozen onto the
valve stem. Luckily I'd done it with no valve core fitted and managed to
free the adaptor before the tyre exploded. Turning the extinguisher upside
down inflates the tyre to a much lower pressure - but sufficient for tyre
bounce to overwhelm his suspension damping. Unless he's *TOTALLY*
brain-dead............it should be too undriveable to get as far as a
blow-out down the road.

You might be able to find a small CO2 extinguisher that can hide in a
rucksack, but you can also get motorcycle emergency tyre repair kits -
rubber wedges or "mushroom" to repair the hole, and a CO2 cartridge about
the same as for a soda syphon. They're not intended for use on an already
inflated tyre - so should provide a bit of entertainment.

[sms]

On 12/9/2016 11:20 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:
>
> "sms" <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote in message
> news:o2ac81$a4f$1...@dont-email.me...
>> <http://oi68.tinypic.com/23kw8d3.jpg>
>>
>> I talked to the truck driver who was upset that I took a picture of
>> his truck and calmly explained to him that parking illegally in a
>> bicycle lane that is signed "No Stopping" was endangering cyclists
>> like the one in the picture. He was not happy about this explanation
>> and began verbally abusing me. I kept my cool. It's a terribly
>> designed shopping center and it's hard to do deliveries so trucks do
>> this all the time.
>>
>> I sent the photo to the sheriff's captain and our Public Works
>> director (a cyclist). I guess because I take office tomorrow I have a
>> little more influence now and got responses from both very quickly.
>> They are going to talk to the business owners and increase enforcement,
>
> And if that doesn't work.................................

<snip>

I need to behave.

[jbeattie]

Again, parking in front of that store is illegal. Deliveries are made to the back. "Making a living" is not a defense to a traffic infraction, although I wish it were. That would have excused my last parking ticket.

-- Jay Beattie.

[sms]

OMG, could you be any more clueless? This development, which is almost
all restaurants, has provisions for deliveries. The truck drivers just
have to drive into the facility. And most do. It's just a few truck
drivers that found that it was easier to park in a No Stopping zone, in
a bike lane, than to follow the rules.

[Benderthe.evilrobot]

"sms" <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote in message

news:o2f0g7$ecj$1...@dont-email.me...

A truck regularly parked a few streets away had a very exposed exhaust pipe
running the length under the chassis, it crossed my mind how easy I could
tie a load of old oily cleaning rags round it.

The driver hadn't done anything to annoy me, so I passed up that
opportunity.

[Benderthe.evilrobot]

"sms" <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote in message

news:o2f0g7$ecj$1...@dont-email.me...

Get an old wrecked bicycle and a bundle of lengths of fence wire - strap the
wreck under his chassis.

Hopefully he gets in and drives off without noticing - the cops will get a
steady stream of calls..........................

[Frank Krygowski]

Another tactic might be a law that penalizes the restaurants for
_accepting_ deliveries from entrances fronting that bike lane. As with
parking in the bike lane, enforcement could never approach 100%; but
unlike the trucks, the restaurant can't drive away, and it's obvious
which restaurant broke the law. So if the front door deliveries
continued, the restaurant would be subject to the risk of repeated (and
perhaps escalating) fines. The owners would soon control the delivery
drivers.

I'll note, though, that this problem occurs countless times in dense
urban environments - not only due to deliveries, but (e.g.) by people
double-parking to pick up a passenger, by people waiting for a parking
place to clear, etc. etc. It causes FAR more trouble than your case,
where a cyclist has to (gosh!) look back, signal and leave the bike lane.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Benderthe.evilrobot]

"Frank Krygowski" <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Speaking of which.....................

Along my usual route is a line of parking bays alongside the road, usually
there were few if any parked cars, so I used to ride inside the kerb so the
traffic could pass.

Apparently car drivers are too thick to get on with it and pass, so they're
more often than not dawdling alongside when I reach the next obstruction -
so I have to stop and wait for them to fuck off........................

Now I don't bother - I assert my right to use the road, if there's anything
coming the other way - the cars behind me just have to wait till its safe to
overtake.

[jbeattie]

Hmmm. Seems like Hayward had other problems -- a recession and traffic diversion. http://thepioneeronline.com/19812/showcase/hayward-loop-influenced-by-state-interests/ No mention of parking enforcement devastating the city. Maybe the news was suppressed by the liberal media.

-- Jay Beattie.

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Common law as opposed to statutory law and regulatory law [edit]
One definition of common law is "The body of law derived from judicial decisions, rather than from statutes or constitutions."[2][10][11] In this connotation, "common law" distinguishes the authority that promulgated a law. For example, the law in some Anglo-American jurisdictions includes "statutory law" enacted by a legislature, "regulatory law" promulgated by executive branch agencies pursuant to delegation of rule-making authority from the legislature, and common law or "case law", i.e., decisions issued by courts (or quasi-judicial tribunals within agencies).[12] This definition can be further differentiated into
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(b) interstitial common law
court decisions that analyze, interpret and determine the fine boundaries and distinctions in law promulgated by other bodies. This body of common law, sometimes called "interstitial common law," includes judicial interpretation of the Constitution, of legislative statutes, and of agency regulations, and the application of law to specific facts.[2]
Publication of decisions, and indexing, is essential to the development of common law, and thus governments and private publishers publish law reports. While all decisions in common law jurisdictions are precedent (at varying levels and scope as discussed throughout the article on precedent), some become "leading cases" or "landmark decisions" that are cited especially often.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tort

for SMS the Tyrant, one violation two violations over ? time needs investigation n interview as to the facts of why the truck is there and why the zone is no stopping.

Does no stopping mean no delivery ? quick SMS put up the ordinances

Then a warning as the truck is violating rights of cyclists, impeding potential traffic needs based on the no stopping ordinance

after I chewed SMS, I used URL Shortner who gave me the jerk link

typical whining old number nazis

[sms]

Yes, there were to actual real issues with Hayward, unrelated to trucks
being able to stop in bicycle lanes, which was never an issue in
downtown Hayward.

One issue was the traffic changes downtown, which last time I was there
three years ago were still in place. But this was pretty minor. We were
able to navigate it just fine, though the Hayward residents with us
complained about it.

The bigger issue was the loss of manufacturing businesses. I worked in
Hayward in the 1980's, for Xerox, where we had at least two
manufacturing shifts building printers. Osborne was in Hayward. There
were some other computer companies there as well. Meryvn's headquarters
was in Hayward. These are all gone. The loss of living wage industrial
and commercial jobs hit areas like Hayward hard. Fremont was also hurt,
but it was a little more diverse. I work in Fremont now, and there is a
tremendous amount of vacant office and industrial space but at least
some large companies took over defunct fatories (Tesla took over the
NUMMI plant and Seagate took over the Solyndra plant).

Downtown was busy at lunchtime. We used to go to La Imperial, a burrito
place with a groceria in front, which they later removed to expand the
restaurant.

To claim that a city fell apart because illegal parking was enforced is
ludicrous.

[Phil Lee]

"Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe...@virginmedia.com> considered

Works best in winter, but:
Mince up a nice smelly mixture of kippers, tinned sardines, mackerel,
and prawns and inject them into the heater.ventilator intake.
They'll cook up a treat in a few miles, and he'll never be able to
drive with the window closed again.

[Doug Landau]

Did they actually get that thing working yet? I was in and out of that Solyndra building a year ago and progress was moving at a snail's pace and had been forever already...
And the Solyndra cylinders were on the floor in Halted. The story was that building was stimulus package... I wonder if they ever even actually believed in themselves-

[sms]

Pretty sure that Seagate is manufacturing there. Just found out today
that someone I know is working there.

I think originally Solyndra believed that they had a viable product.
Many of us have worked for companies where a seemingly good idea was not
manufacturable or the performance was not what was predicted.

[cycl...@gmail.com]

Did you notice that these truck drivers thought it was EASIER? Fancy that.

[cycl...@gmail.com]

I'm sure that you know better than someone who lives there.

[cycl...@gmail.com]

Firstly the downtown failed BEFORE the roads were modified. Secondly there was NO behind the back delivery. Trucks had to drive up an alleyway and then pack their delivery cargo up the blocks.

You worked in Hayward 35 years ago so you know what happened starting in 2009. Gotcha.

[cycl...@gmail.com]

Seagate is not manufactured in Hayward and I don't remember it ever being so. They are a Sunnyvale company. That's OK it's only 40 miles away. If they have any offices in Hayward they are sales and service only.

If memory serves Solyndra was manufactured in south Fremont. That's closer but 20 miles does not "close" make. What is this about Solyndra "cylinders"? It was a solar cell company and they are rigid flat plates. Obama granted Solyndra a HUGE Federal Grant. (If memory serves, a half billion dollars) Solyndra paid their executives staggering bonuses and then declared bankruptcy. It should be noted that NO solar cell company has been "profitable" in the business since the entire idea is ludicrous.

Pacific Gas and Electricity gets tax subsidies for using renewable energy sources so they have dotted California with so many solar or wind farms that if they were all operating and maximum, for about four hours a day they could supply 19% of PG&E's maximum load. That is an absolutely STAGGERING investment. But at no time in the history of these "renewable" sources have they ever produced more than 2% of the daily AVERAGE demand.

Moreover, what is always left unsaid is that these cost more in energy to manufacture. install and maintain than they will ever produce in their usable lifetime. The environmentalist mental at work.

[AMuzi]

Uh, Tom, the Solyndra concept was a cylindrical solar
voltaic cell. OK, it's stupid on its face but they really
did make cylindrical solar cells. Sorta like a square hula
hoop; perfect for a government program.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Benderthe.evilrobot]

"Phil Lee" <ph...@lee-family.me.uk> wrote in message
news:qdim4clcla9ojc938...@4ax.com...

That's an old taxi firm trick to knobble the competition.

Tuck a smoked herring behind the exhaust manifold and
wait..................................

There's also a divorce anecdote about prawns or shrimps being hidden in the
curtain poles.

And an end of term school prank of nailing a substantial item of seafood to
the wall behind the blackboard.

There's usually a long catalogue of expensive remedial works.

[cycl...@gmail.com]

Andrew, they were just issuing the bankruptcy notices as I came out from under that concussion so I don't know what they were all about.

I would assume that they had half cylinders with the idea being that you wouldn't have to rotate them with the sun passing across the sky. That would still be a really dumb idea since you would only have a couple degrees or a very small percentage of the array facing the sun.

That is such a dumb idea that it pretty plainly was a scam. I do remember that Obama gave them that half billion dollar subsidy and they immediately declared bankruptcy after that.

[AMuzi]

When I contact the new Administration about my perpetual
motion machine which only needs a few billion dollars for a
demo, I'll credit you as co-developer. Thank me later.

The Clean Coal guys laughed all the way to the bank through
three administrations- the money just falls from heaven!

#1 Rule in government: Once a problem is solved, the money
stops.

[jbeattie]

No, I don't claim to know Hayward better than you. I just don't trust your conclusions and look to reliable sources to determine the cause of business loss in Hayward.

I saw no reports of the city crushing itself with parking regulations. Why would a city even do that? I would think that any parking regulation that made it impossible to re-stock a store wouldn't pass the city council or would be the subject of an inverse condemnation lawsuit. How were these businesses remaining open -- air lifts?

I found one reported case: Friends of "B" St. v. City of Hayward, 106 Cal. App. 3d 988, 165 Cal. Rptr. 514 (1980) where an environmental group claimed the city needed to produce an EIS before commencing a renewal project. I looked at the old city parking regulations on commercial vehicles and found one prohibiting parking in excess of three hours on several main thoroughfares. I found nothing to support your claim that commercial vehicles were prohibited from stopping and unloading stock. If you have a source showing that parking regulations crushed the City of Hayward, let's see it.

-- Jay Beattie.

[Phil Lee]

"Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe...@virginmedia.com> considered

Despite having been a licensed hackney driver, I've never come across
it in that context.
Tho only time I've ever actually known it to have been used was as a
practical joke, and it was crab paste that was used.

>
>Tuck a smoked herring behind the exhaust manifold and
>wait..................................

Too liable to burst into flames for my liking, and that would be a bit
excessive - besides, getting at the exhaust manifold is going to be
more difficult than getting at the heater intake.

>
>There's also a divorce anecdote about prawns or shrimps being hidden in the
>curtain poles.

I've heard (anecdotally) of a similar stunt, involving heating pipes
under the floorboards.

>
>And an end of term school prank of nailing a substantial item of seafood to
>the wall behind the blackboard.

Or any other non-obvious location.
Boarding schools have far greater scope for such pranks - damhikt :)

>
>There's usually a long catalogue of expensive remedial works.

Indeed, although early detection does minimise that.

[sms]

Just had lunch with someone that volunteers in the police department for
the City of Hayward and has lived there for many years. Lunch was at a
packed restaurant in Hayward
<https://www.yelp.com/biz/tins-teapot-bistro-hayward>, with definite
parking issues, but not downtown. We've had dinner with them, downtown,
with no difficulty parking.

The bizarre idea that economic problems in Hayward's downtown area were
caused by the police enforcing illegal delivery truck parking is insane.
It is true that Hayward's traffic diversion system, instituted three
years ago, is annoying to many, and to keep traffic flowing they can't
have illegally parked vehicles blocking the roads, but the traffic
diversions grew out of the problem of commuters short-cutting on Hayward
city streets from 580, to avoid the congestion on 580/880/238. This is
all Obama's fault because had the economy not recovered due to his
policies then the traffic congestion would not have occurred.

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

smear it on the kayak deck n wollaaahhh otter visit

or a shark

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

TGWS

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

great for Wisconsin. Stays in one place never changing its attitude visavee the source

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

maybe they'll kill Assad ?

[cycl...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, December 10, 2016 at 1:50:14 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>
> #1 Rule in government: Once a problem is solved, the money
> stops.

This is one of the reasons that government financing anything but basic research is a very bad idea.

[cycl...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, December 10, 2016 at 3:10:38 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
>
> No, I don't claim to know Hayward better than you. I just don't trust your conclusions and look to reliable sources to determine the cause of business loss in Hayward.
>
> I saw no reports of the city crushing itself with parking regulations. Why would a city even do that? I would think that any parking regulation that made it impossible to re-stock a store wouldn't pass the city council or would be the subject of an inverse condemnation lawsuit. How were these businesses remaining open -- air lifts?
>
> I found one reported case: Friends of "B" St. v. City of Hayward, 106 Cal. App. 3d 988, 165 Cal. Rptr. 514 (1980) where an environmental group claimed the city needed to produce an EIS before commencing a renewal project. I looked at the old city parking regulations on commercial vehicles and found one prohibiting parking in excess of three hours on several main thoroughfares. I found nothing to support your claim that commercial vehicles were prohibited from stopping and unloading stock. If you have a source showing that parking regulations crushed the City of Hayward, let's see it.

Jay, you leap to baseless conclusions and then tell me you don't trust my conclusion. The redirection of the streets in Hayward didn't occur until after the Obama recession. But it had started long before that because governments have completely lost perspective on what a city is. It isn't simply a group of citizens living in a general area but the services that support them. And part of those services include recreation which can appear in the form of book stores and restaurants and even jazz clubs.

These businesses need to be able to exist without jerks complaining that they have to move over three feet to get past a delivery truck. Without city leaders listening to idiotic stuff like that an passing laws that are meant to do nothing more than make business harder to provide.

[cycl...@gmail.com]

There is no customer parking problems in the downtown because the public parking for the most part is in the MIDDLE of each block with driveways in and out. But that does not allow delivery save off of the main streets. There is an alley that goes parallel with Foothill in back of the theater that allows delivery to business over that one block area between Foothill and Main. below that they have to double park to make deliveries. I have WATCHED police chasing delivery vehicles off of A and B street. In fact NOW A St. is mostly a red zone.

The Hayward Police like all of the other California police forces simply look the other way when cars some speeding through these areas that have three or four cross-walks. Some of us finally started crossing as these speeders approached and then walked slowly across since these people are taking what they believe to be a "short cut" to the freeway. We seem to have slowed the traffic in that area down enough now but it will take continuous vigilance.

I have watched patrol cars stop and yell at cyclists on the sidewalk when they were riding from the cross-walk to the UC shuttle some 20 feet away. These sidewalks for the most part are very wide and easily would allow polite interchanges of bicycles and pedestrians. The bicycle cops don't seem to provide any service beyond being able to get anywhere downtown faster than the patrol cars and THEY ride on the sidewalk because of the dangers of the speeders.

If you turn the downtown into nothing more than an obstacle to commuting to work you can't expect anything to thrive there. But with the advent of slowing these people down they are sticking more and more to the preposterous road design and the city center is recovering. Three of the best Italian Restaurants in the area are now in downtown Hayward. Buffalo Bill's plays to the college crowd that don't understand real restaurants yet - it is similar to a sit-down fast food place. You can walk a couple of blocks to a used book store, a jazz club that has different acts every night, a taco drop-in, a crepe fast-food the owner of which operated the same sort of thing in Beijing and DC. Brats and Brew. Five antique shops. A major supermarket. The City Hall that looks like no one works there. A high end wine store. A Specialized store. Several small legal services that came back VERY slowly. The old bank building on B St. is still empty and unlikely to gain any tenants with rents as they are in California.

But the chasing out of the businesses on C and D streets is going to take a very long time to correct. Traffic to get around the insane traffic pattern will keep these streets low on the popularity list.

[Benderthe.evilrobot]

"Phil Lee" <ph...@lee-family.me.uk> wrote in message

news:v12p4ctvspi9i2v0e...@4ax.com...

Early detection isn't the problem - realising it isn't the drains takes a
while longer............................

[Frank Krygowski]

On 12/11/2016 11:25 AM, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> The redirection of the streets in Hayward didn't occur until after the Obama recession.

Why are you calling that "the Obama recession"? Because he was
unfortunate enough to get elected after Bush II caused it?


--
- Frank Krygowski

[jbeattie]

And we're talking Hayward, which has its own economic concerns in addition to the national economy. http://thepioneeronline.com/1940/layout/is-growth-in-store-for-hayward/ Costco and big-box stores have killed a lot of small downtowns -- Walmart even more so.

-- Jay Beattie.

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

https://www.cdc.gov/ ?

armed forces

army corp

...... wuhwuhwuh

[W. Wesley Groleau]

Bush didn't cause it. All the congressmen and presidents for two
decades or more caused it. Not letting Bush off the hook, but he just
happened to be in office when it all caught up with us.

And since the politicians are continuing to behave the same way,
it will happen again.

--
Wes Groleau

[Duane]

W. Wesley Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> On 12-11-2016 15:46, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 12/11/2016 11:25 AM, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> The redirection of the streets in Hayward didn't occur until after
>>> the Obama recession.
>>
>> Why are you calling that "the Obama recession"? Because he was
>> unfortunate enough to get elected after Bush II caused it?
>
> Bush didn't cause it. All the congressmen and presidents for two
> decades or more caused it. Not letting Bush off the hook, but he just
> happened to be in office when it all caught up with us.

Maybe but calling it the Obama recession is just more hyperbole gleaned
from suspect sources on the internet.

> And since the politicians are continuing to behave the same way,
> it will happen again.
>

Yes. Appointing someone from Goldman Sachs to the new cabinet is a good
example of that.


--
duane

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

Wes, your understanding of these areas is in deep error.

[W. Wesley Groleau]

On 12-11-2016 19:15, Duane wrote:
> Maybe but calling it the Obama recession is just more hyperbole gleaned
> from suspect sources on the internet.

Standard American politics. If something good happens, the President's
party clsims the credit for him. If something bad happens, the other
party blames the president. And people pretend they don't know that
Congress passes the bills and the President can only sign or veto.

--
Wes Groleau

[Frank Krygowski]

On 12/11/2016 7:53 PM, W. Wesley Groleau wrote:
> On 12-11-2016 15:46, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 12/11/2016 11:25 AM, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> The redirection of the streets in Hayward didn't occur until after
>>> the Obama recession.
>>
>> Why are you calling that "the Obama recession"? Because he was
>> unfortunate enough to get elected after Bush II caused it?
>
> Bush didn't cause it. All the congressmen and presidents for two
> decades or more caused it.

That sounds sort of like "it's society's fault." ;-)

But more seriously: One book I read recently claimed that the recession
was as bad as it was specifically because a decade or more of monetary
policy was designed to prevent even minor economic slowdowns. The
author claimed that at least minor booms and busts are necessary, a sign
of an overall healthy economy. Suppress the minor busts, and people and
institutions feel "safe" enough to go further out on various investment
limbs. Eventually, a limb breaks.

An analogy might be earthquakes. Overall, it's better to suffer lots of
little ones, instead of saving up all the relative motion and having it
released in a huge one.

Um... like the one that's due in the Pacific Northwest, I suppose.


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Doug Landau]

In fact the thing is the size and shape of a flourescent light. Regarding the scam, http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/26/solyndra-misled-government-get-535-million-solar-p/

[cycl...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, December 11, 2016 at 1:46:30 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:

You are an educated man with an inquiring mind. Why have you failed to use either to investigate your false statements?

http://dailysignal.com/2011/07/28/the-truth-about-obamas-budget-deficits-in-pictures/

There are HUNDREDS of articles mostly from foreign countries since the American major media did NOT report these problems. Instead they lied about it. How did they fish you in?

If ALL else failed you only had to read the actual reports of the Department of the Treasury.

Obama was "unfortunate enough to be in office" when the effects of Bush's policies hit????? That is one of the biggest lies in history.

There are two sources to the American Debt:

Debt Held by the Public - this is overspending by the government with budgets above the income from the taxes.

Intergovernmental Holdings - this is the Social Security and Medicare holdings

The first day of Bush's first year in office the Intergovernmental Holdings were $2 Trillion and the Debt Held by the Public was $3.5 Trillion.

The first day of Bush's seventh year in office AFTER a Democrat Congress was installed the Intergovernmental Holdings were $3.5 Trillion and the Debt Held by the Public was $4.7 Trillion.

In SIX years including 9/11 Bush had spend only (only??) $1.2 Trillion over budget. In SIX years the SS and Medicare showed that it had increased by 175%.

After TWO YEARS of a Democrat Congress the final day of Bush's the Intergovernmental Holdings were $4 Trillion and the Debt Held by the Public was $5 Trillion.

The SS and Medicare increases show that THERE WAS NO RECESSION and the Democrat Congress WHO SET THE BUDGET spent as much in two years as the Republicans had in the previous six.

Today the Intergovernmental Holdings show $5.5 Trillion or only a AVERAGE employment rate of 57% of what it was during Bush. This implies that the ACTUAL unemployment races were NOTHING like the lies reported by the government/media complex but were something more on the order of 24%.

And the DHbtP is $14.4 Trillion. Obama has spent THREE times above the nations income as Bush did. Or including the start of Democrat control more than 10 times MORE than Bush.

The question is - WHY are you being purposefully ignorant of these things? Why are you parroting the liberal line like some 12 year old repeating what he was told to do?

[cycl...@gmail.com]

Jay, remember that originally Sear and Wards became big businesses because people could MAIL ORDER things. From the convenience of their own homes they could order things that would otherwise be unavailable to them. This is why the large department stores are having trouble with Amazon and the like.

And Costco and the like are attacking the other half of their business by offering cheaper products. However for the most part the quality of Costco goods is far inferior to the main department stores and if they can hang on until normal employment and wages return it will reverse pretty rapidly.

And the department stores also have to return to offering everything that Amazon does. Rapid delivery and decent prices of the products they sell. The name brands of the Department stores are usually far better than other name brands.

I bought a new refrigerator from GE rather than Kenmore since the energy rating was highest. Well, that was because they didn't make the point that the GE has noticeably less interior space and the damn thing has a tiny compressor that runs almost continuously. And noisily.

[cycl...@gmail.com]

Wes, will you please study the economy of the US since WW I? In fact, the economy of the US has had a serious problem with the Federal Reserve Banking system and not any political party until the advent of Obama.

In order to have a stable economic system the FRB GUESSES at what the increase in GDP will be and prints the amount of money necessary to cover that increase. Because they are guessing and they might be low they ALWAYS overprint capital.

The effects of this is a continuous increase in inflation. The government isn't about to complain about this because they get additional tax income from people moving into higher tax brackets from inflation.

The problem isn't the system - it is HOW the management of these systems are assigned. And this has reached criminal levels where some university moron who gets a name from doing nothing more than publishing papers impress people who also do not understand the system applaud.

Stop being some juvenile complainer that can't do anything other than to blame someone about things he knows nothing about.

[cycl...@gmail.com]

Wes, again, on what cloud do you live? When a President presides over an administration whose party controls the House it is the President who determines the policies and the laws that shall be submitted to Congress. PLEASE LEARN TO BE AN AMERICAN.

[cycl...@gmail.com]

Are you suggesting that they should get a high school teacher? Or perhaps you believe that YOU would be qualified for the job?

Why do you assume that because someone that has worked so closely in the business and knows ALL of the ins and outs and what is wrong and needs to be corrected is something counter to US policy?

Is it your belief that fixing what is broken isn't the American way?

[cycl...@gmail.com]

Frank, there may be something to the conclusions of that book. On the seventh year of Bush there was a VERY SLIGHT slowdown in the economy. And people claimed that they had lost everything. Now since the Dow and other indexes hardly dipped 10% how in the hell could they have "lost everything" unless they were so far out on a limb that they had used all of their capital on wild-assed investments?

The American economic system isn't perfect. But it MUST be managed properly. And the worst possible thing to happen is what has happened under Obama where the Federal Reserve Bank which is supposed to be totally independent from the government has instead been given marching order by it.

[AMuzi]

I screamed and bitched and moaned about GW's spending for
eight long years. Gave drunken sailors a better image, gave
the US taxpayer bupkis. I had no idea he was but a mere
dilettante. BHO destroyed more wealth by far and that bill
will come due. Oh, yes it will.

[cycl...@gmail.com]

On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 8:44:31 AM UTC-8, Doug Landau wrote:
> On Saturday, December 10, 2016 at 11:55:29 AM UTC-8, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:

a square hula

> > Andrew, they were just issuing the bankruptcy notices as I came out from under that concussion so I don't know what they were all about.
> >
> > I would assume that they had half cylinders with the idea being that you wouldn't have to rotate them with the sun passing across the sky. That would still be a really dumb idea since you would only have a couple degrees or a very small percentage of the array facing the sun.
> >
> > That is such a dumb idea that it pretty plainly was a scam. I do remember that Obama gave them that half billion dollar subsidy and they immediately declared bankruptcy after that.
>
> In fact the thing is the size and shape of a flourescent light. Regarding the scam, http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/26/solyndra-misled-government-get-535-million-solar-p/

Thanks for that reference Doug. I need only to look at the set-up they are showing Obama to see that it was a scam from the very first. There is absolutely NO WAY that a solar collector of that size and shape could deliver any significant power.

Think of it this way - solar collectors used here on earth have to be mass produced. While those used by NASA and everyone else's space programs are made from Silicon and are essentially solid state collectors, these cannot be made for use on earth because of many reasons. Instead they use a form of heat collector. While the space kind operate in the high 80% efficiency ranges these heat collectors operate about 24% or so. But BECAUSE they are heat collectors the main physical feature of them would be AREA.

Knowing this how could the government EVER give an OK to subsidies?

[AMuzi]

There's no 'properly' for hubris like that.
Go back and re read some von Mises, Bastiat or Hayek for a
review of the principles of why planners always fail.

[AMuzi]

As I noted earlier, it was virtually a square hula hoop,
perfect for a government project.

Oh, and although publicized a bit hardly unusual, not
excessively expensive nor less effective than your average
government project.

[cycl...@gmail.com]

Andrew, that's nothing but excuses of why planners never succeed perfectly. The Federal Reserve Bank was called that because it was supposed to contain the Federal Reserve used to balance the economy in case of a recession. It NEVER did that since the USA has always run at least some national debt so there was never any reserve.

Instead what they have used was the valuation of the US Dollar. And the way they have done that is to print more or less money to balance the increase in the GNP. Since during the Obama regime there was never an increase in the GNP and because the printed FAR too much money despite that the dollar badly devalued. This was a means that the Federal Government TAXED the citizens. Your savings became worth less and the Federal government printed themselves money to acquire that loss of value. Then we were told that taxes weren't raised.

ALL economies more complex than barter systems MUST be planned. My argument is that the planning for the US system has been done by grade school dropouts with low IQ's.

[jbeattie]

On what cloud do you live? The president does NOT determine "the policies and laws that shall be submitted to Congress." The White House sets a legislative agenda, aids drafts proposed bills, and the president gets sponsors who submit the bills to congress. The president, like anyone else, has to get individual senators or congressmen to sponsor his bills -- which are only a small fraction of all the bills considered by congress. He does not determine what other bills will be submitted to congress. The vast majority of bills considered by congress are proposed by individual senators and congressmen at the request of constituent groups and not the president. E.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Star_Fathers_Act_of_2014

Being from the same party that controls congress does not give the president legislative carte blanche -- nor does it insulate a bill from being vetoed. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/01/13/most-presidential-vetoes-happen-when-the-white-house-and-congress-are-controlled-by-the-same-party/?utm_term=.7cb8fe17c369

-- Jay Beattie.

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

the Rump projected deficeit is so large over 10 years I cannah get a grip on it 10-20-30-100 billion ....

trickle trickle Andy

into Chinese mouths.

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

my interviews with Rump voters show a complete ignorance of the process or processes.

the process for bills generates from a small group of Texans n Oklahomans meeting in a trailer park in Missouri.

[W. Wesley Groleau]

On 12-12-2016 11:50, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Wes, again, on what cloud do you live? When a President presides over an administration whose party controls the House it is the President who determines the policies and the laws that shall be submitted to Congress. PLEASE LEARN TO BE AN AMERICAN.

The president makes suggestions, requests, etc. He does not change
their votes no matter what party he is with. And I am no longer proud
to be a citizen of the disaster BOTH parties are creating.

--
Wes Groleau

[W. Wesley Groleau]

On 12-11-2016 21:34, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> That sounds sort of like "it's society's fault." ;-)

What percent of "society" claimed Hillary Clinton is honest?

What percent of society claimed Donald Trump "tells it like it is"?

Yes, society is partly to blame for the people we put in Washington.

--
Wes Groleau

[Frank Krygowski]

We're talking about recession. A recession is two or more quarters of
dropping GDP. The Bush II presidency ended with that. The Obama
presidency turned the GDP around.

If you want to select your own private criteria for what constitutes a
recession, I suppose that's up to you. You do have some allies. For
example:

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it
means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.” - Lewis
Carroll, _Through the Looking Glass_

Meanwhile, most people will go with the official definition.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[cycl...@gmail.com]

Jay - with you in total denial we needn't speak on the subject anymore. It isn't as if this was ANYTHING new or different over the last 240 years.

[cycl...@gmail.com]

Wes, the President doesn't guarantee passage or even submission of bills but he has an almost insurmountable power. Even to the point of having all campaign funding cut off from those who do not cooperate.

In what dream world do you people live in which political power has no power?

[cycl...@gmail.com]

The final two quarters of the Bush administration ended with the BUDGET that was passed by the Democrat Congress and with Obama almost the sure winner after telling everyone that he intended to destroy the business atmosphere.

Do you believe that Obama should be credited with the huge uptick in the economy with the election of Trump? Or with the passage of the budget by a Republican Congress?

[Sir Ridesalot]

On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 8:17:08 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> <http://oi68.tinypic.com/23kw8d3.jpg>
>
> I talked to the truck driver who was upset that I took a picture of his
> truck and calmly explained to him that parking illegally in a bicycle
> lane that is signed "No Stopping" was endangering cyclists like the one
> in the picture. He was not happy about this explanation and began
> verbally abusing me. I kept my cool. It's a terribly designed shopping
> center and it's hard to do deliveries so trucks do this all the time.
>
> I sent the photo to the sheriff's captain and our Public Works director
> (a cyclist). I guess because I take office tomorrow I have a little more
> influence now and got responses from both very quickly. They are going
> to talk to the business owners and increase enforcement, and next year
> they are going to begin working on a physical barrier which is really
> the only practical solution since you can't expect the police to
> constantly be monitoring the situation.
>
> Traffic calming is one of my big pet peeves (of which I have a great many).

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If/when I encounter a vehicle stopped in a bike lane or curbside traffic lane, I slow down, check behind me, signal, then merge left into the next lane and ride around the obstructing vehicle and don't give the vehicle much more thought. Why is it so hard for some to just bypass an obstacle without having to go to social media and complain about said object?

Cheers

[Frank Krygowski]

And you'll soon supply us with a direct quote of Obama saying "I'm here
to destroy the 'business atmosphere'"? (However _that's_ defined!)

One measure of "business atmosphere" might be the stock market. Seems
that did pretty well under Obama. (Actually, it historically does
better under Democrats than Republicans - go figure!)

Another measure might be, hmmm, did General Motors go bankrupt or not?
Lots of people seemed to think it should have, taking the countless
suppliers' businesses with it. Obama passed up that opportunity to ruin
the "business atmosphere." In fact, he actively prevented that
bankruptcy. That seems to have been a pretty good decision.

Would a lower unemployment rate signify a destruction of the "business
atmosphere"? I don't see how - but it's about half of what it was under
Bush II.

We could go on, I suppose...

--
- Frank Krygowski

[sms]

On 12/11/2016 3:02 PM, jbeattie wrote:
> On Sunday, December 11, 2016 at 1:46:30 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 12/11/2016 11:25 AM, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> The redirection of the streets in Hayward didn't occur until after the Obama recession.
>>
>> Why are you calling that "the Obama recession"? Because he was
>> unfortunate enough to get elected after Bush II caused it?
>>
>

> And we're talking Hayward, which has its own economic concerns in addition to the national economy. http://thepioneeronline.com/1940/layout/is-growth-in-store-for-hayward/ Costco and big-box stores have killed a lot of small downtowns -- Walmart even more so.

The downtowns were killed LONG before Costco/Price Club even existed.
and even before Walmart became ubiquitous.

The downtowns were killed by shopping malls. For Hayward, that was
Southland Mall. It's a little run down now, but it still has Sears and
Penney's and Macy's. Then came the rash of discount department store
chains, most of which are long gone.

Price Club/Costco was a different animal. Originally started as business
to business, they expanded into other product lines and targeted a
wealthier demographic than Walmart. One thing about Costco is that they
tend to offer higher quality merchandise that the discount department
stores won't touch. Costco has really hurt stores like Macy's. Even the
limited clothing that Costco sells is of high quality.

There's not a lot of downtowns that have retained major retail. If the
survive they become restaurant, entertainment, and a few specialty
stores. There are a few exceptions like San Francisco and New York, and
I guess Portland.

[cycl...@gmail.com]

Because you would have to be polite and understanding. sms is the same sort of person that speeds up to cut off someone entering the freeway because he believes that it is HIS road.

[sms]

On 12/13/2016 8:38 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:

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> If/when I encounter a vehicle stopped in a bike lane or curbside traffic lane, I slow down, check behind me, signal, then merge left into the next lane and ride around the obstructing vehicle and don't give the vehicle much more thought. Why is it so hard for some to just bypass an obstacle without having to go to social media and complain about said object?

Vehicles are not supposed to stop in bicycle lanes. The lanes in this
case are not only "No Parking" they are "No Stopping."

While you do the proper thing with checking for traffic and signaling,
this route is along a major bike to school route and is full of less
experienced cyclists.

Drivers need to learn how to understand signs and even more important,
just how to be polite to cyclists by not violating these laws. The roads
do not belong to these delivery drivers, they belong to all road users.
It is easy for these drivers to park in the proper loading and unloading
zones, and in fact most of them do. It's just a few inconsiderate jerks
that think that they have the right to endanger other road users.

As someone else wrote, every vehicle has a button that creates a parking
space wherever necessary, it's the button with the triangle on it on the
dash.