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Emanuel Berg

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Dec 7, 2017, 4:38:43 PM12/7/17
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Speaking of the Ryobi cordless power tool
chain, I see there are no less then five
different batteries! All are 18V Lithium but
the Ah's are 1.3, 1.5, 2.5, 4.0 and 5.0.
What does that mean? Do you get more power for
a single drill or cut or whatever or can you
just do the same thing more times
before recharge?

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Emanuel Berg

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Dec 7, 2017, 4:59:05 PM12/7/17
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Another question, in the manual it says "for
indoor use". What does that mean? The tool
can't take rain? Or cold? Or damp?

I'm planning to lay a tin roof above part of
the area so one can be inside and outside at
the same time. Surely the tools won't break
from use under such a roof?

avag...@gmail.com

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Dec 7, 2017, 5:28:50 PM12/7/17
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THE TOOL requires a definite specified power source as 18 amp and only 18 amp.

I assume the physical amp size only fits the spec tool amp size.

Dell laptops charger's n input side electronics n I assume all others ID each other as strictly compatible. No mix n match.

indoor use means use indoors or gently outside on a nice day never get wet.
a weenie tool. construction tools are not described as 'indoors'. But language n environments differ so maybe the tool is a 'shop tool' use a shop tool for the roof. maybe, maybe not, good luck.

now where do I place the swiss table saw ?

Emanuel Berg

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Dec 7, 2017, 5:46:49 PM12/7/17
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avagadro7 wrote:

> THE TOOL requires a definite specified power
> source as 18 amp and only 18 amp.

I think the five different batteries will work
with any (of those) tools. All batteries are
18V Lithium but the Ah's are 1.3, 1.5, 2.5, 4.0
and 5.0. So I think they have the same power
and interface, thus works for all, but the "Ah"
(Ampere hour) unit seems to suggest the longest
use before recharge for the 5.0 Ah version.
Yes, that must be it.

> indoor use means use indoors or gently
> outside on a nice day never get wet. a weenie
> tool. construction tools are not described
> as 'indoors'.

Right, actually I read the manual only *after*
buying the tool! Had I seen that remark I would
have bought the outdoor version.
Indoor only... c'mon.

Emanuel Berg

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Dec 7, 2017, 6:20:48 PM12/7/17
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YT wrote:

> I think the five different batteries will
> work with any (of those) tools. All batteries
> are 18V Lithium but the Ah's are 1.3, 1.5,
> 2.5, 4.0 and 5.0. So I think they have the
> same power and interface, thus works for all,
> but the "Ah" (Ampere hour) unit seems to
> suggest the longest use before recharge for
> the 5.0 Ah version. Yes, that must be it.

One has to wonder tho why there are *five*
batteries? One light and small and one heavy
and big I understand. Yet another one in the
middle? Fine. But five? Can there really be
a size/weight advantage anyone would ever
notice with the 1.3 version compared to
the 1.5?

AMuzi

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Dec 7, 2017, 6:25:04 PM12/7/17
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Svenska:

https://www.tradera.com/search?q=Ryobi%2018v

https://www.blocket.se/

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Emanuel Berg

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Dec 7, 2017, 7:07:43 PM12/7/17
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The price is different? Or what do you mean?

Ha ha, some guy cannot afford the 1.5 Ah
battery - so he settles for the 1.3 instead!

(Tradera and Blocket are like eBay only much
smaller I suppose.)

Joerg

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Dec 7, 2017, 7:18:55 PM12/7/17
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On 2017-12-07 13:38, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Speaking of the Ryobi cordless power tool
> chain, I see there are no less then five
> different batteries! All are 18V Lithium but
> the Ah's are 1.3, 1.5, 2.5, 4.0 and 5.0.
> What does that mean? Do you get more power for
> a single drill or cut or whatever or can you
> just do the same thing more times
> before recharge?
>

Sure. Here they mostly only sell two sizes. The larger one is pricey so
I settle for the smaller Ryobi Li-Ion and just switch out. Charging is
fast, around 1.5-2h. I guess if you are a contractor or you are building
a complete new house you'd go for the biggest version.

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JQ

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Dec 7, 2017, 8:01:32 PM12/7/17
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On 12/7/2017 4:38 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Speaking of the Ryobi cordless power tool
> chain, I see there are no less then five
> different batteries! All are 18V Lithium but
> the Ah's are 1.3, 1.5, 2.5, 4.0 and 5.0.
> What does that mean? Do you get more power for
> a single drill or cut or whatever or can you
> just do the same thing more times
> before recharge?
>
I was a contractor and used Ryobi for many years, they are a good tool
and priced right. You can buy two Ryobi for the price of one the others
and they for the most part would last just as long. Now with the
batteries, get the largest amp size battery available! The smaller
batteries are not good for contractor work they run down too fast and
they don't hold up to real work, they may be good for simple light work.
Only use the charger for the battery type as the other will ruin the
battery. As far as where to use the tools, you can use them outside just
remember none of these or other contractor tools are water proof either.
I've used mine in the rain but working in the rain is not too smart or
ideal and can be dangerous. Good luck on your project!

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Emanuel Berg

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Dec 7, 2017, 8:01:54 PM12/7/17
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Joerg wrote:

> Sure. Here they mostly only sell two sizes.
> The larger one is pricey so I settle for the
> smaller Ryobi Li-Ion and just switch out.
> Charging is fast, around 1.5-2h. I guess if
> you are a contractor or you are building
> a complete new house you'd go for the
> biggest version.

Ryobi doesn't seem to have an 18V heat gun tho.
I wonder if that would consume too much energy
for the same battery system or if they just
don't have it. As you say charging is fast and
changing batteries even faster...

Emanuel Berg

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Dec 7, 2017, 8:05:09 PM12/7/17
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JQ wrote:

> I was a contractor and used Ryobi for many
> years, they are a good tool and priced right.
> You can buy two Ryobi for the price of one
> the others and they for the most part would
> last just as long. Now with the batteries,
> get the largest amp size battery available!

My thoughts as well...

> remember none of these or other contractor
> tools are water proof either.

OK!

> I've used mine in the rain but working in the
> rain is not too smart or ideal and can be
> dangerous. Good luck on your project!

Thanks mate :)

AMuzi

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Dec 7, 2017, 8:27:11 PM12/7/17
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On 12/7/2017 7:01 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Joerg wrote:
>
>> Sure. Here they mostly only sell two sizes.
>> The larger one is pricey so I settle for the
>> smaller Ryobi Li-Ion and just switch out.
>> Charging is fast, around 1.5-2h. I guess if
>> you are a contractor or you are building
>> a complete new house you'd go for the
>> biggest version.
>
> Ryobi doesn't seem to have an 18V heat gun tho.
> I wonder if that would consume too much energy
> for the same battery system or if they just
> don't have it. As you say charging is fast and
> changing batteries even faster...
>

The Ryobi heat gun is 2000W or about 112 amps(!) at 18v.
That's why they are offered as 110/230v.

Emanuel Berg

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Dec 7, 2017, 8:48:46 PM12/7/17
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AMuzi wrote:

> The Ryobi heat gun is 2000W or about 112
> amps(!) at 18v. That's why they are offered
> as 110/230v.

Right, the corded I have (not Ryobi) is 220V.

David Scheidt

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Dec 7, 2017, 9:07:53 PM12/7/17
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Emanuel Berg <moa...@zoho.com> wrote:
:Speaking of the Ryobi cordless power tool
:chain, I see there are no less then five
:different batteries! All are 18V Lithium but
:the Ah's are 1.3, 1.5, 2.5, 4.0 and 5.0.
:What does that mean? Do you get more power for
:a single drill or cut or whatever or can you
:just do the same thing more times
:before recharge?

Longer run time is the big advantage, but you might get more power
depending on the tool.

18V lithium ion batteries consist of 5 cells in series, to make the the
18V. Bigger batteries (the 4 and 5 AH ones, probably; I don't know
ryobi's line well) have two sets of five cells in parallel (5s2p is the
common notation). If the design supports it (again, I don't know ryobi),
you can draw twice as much current, which lets you have more powerful
tools. I have milwaukee cordless tools. I have a couple 12V tools (a saw
and a oscillating tool) that are pretty much useless when run from a
single row battery, but are quite usable with the 3s2p ones. Most of my
tools are less noticiably more powerful, though.

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David Scheidt

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Dec 7, 2017, 9:33:46 PM12/7/17
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AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
:On 12/7/2017 7:01 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
:> Joerg wrote:
:>
:>> Sure. Here they mostly only sell two sizes.
:>> The larger one is pricey so I settle for the
:>> smaller Ryobi Li-Ion and just switch out.
:>> Charging is fast, around 1.5-2h. I guess if
:>> you are a contractor or you are building
:>> a complete new house you'd go for the
:>> biggest version.
:>
:> Ryobi doesn't seem to have an 18V heat gun tho.
:> I wonder if that would consume too much energy
:> for the same battery system or if they just
:> don't have it. As you say charging is fast and
:> changing batteries even faster...
:>

:The Ryobi heat gun is 2000W or about 112 amps(!) at 18v.
:That's why they are offered as 110/230v.

https://www.milwaukeetool.com/power-tools/cordless/2688-21

They exist.


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Emanuel Berg

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Dec 7, 2017, 9:42:09 PM12/7/17
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David Scheidt wrote:

> 18V lithium ion batteries consist of 5 cells
> in series, to make the the 18V.
> Bigger batteries (the 4 and 5 AH ones,
> probably; I don't know ryobi's line well)
> have two sets of five cells in parallel (5s2p
> is the common notation). If the design
> supports it (again, I don't know ryobi), you
> can draw twice as much current, which lets
> you have more powerful tools.

At the back side of the 2.5 Ah battery, it says:

Ryobi

18.0V

-----
- - - [the/a symbol indicating DC]

45Wh (2.5Ah)

5ICR19/66 [???]

RB18L25(130429057) [1st - Ryobi 18V Lithium 2.5Ah,
2nd - random product/version number?)

Emanuel Berg

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Dec 7, 2017, 10:05:53 PM12/7/17
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David Scheidt wrote:

> 18V lithium ion batteries consist of 5 cells in
> series, to make the the 18V. Bigger batteries
> (the 4 and 5 AH ones, probably; I don't know
> ryobi's line well) have two sets of five cells
> in parallel (5s2p is the common notation).
> If the design supports it (again, I don't know
> ryobi), you can draw twice as much current,
> which lets you have more powerful tools.

Page 4 in the charger's manual (BCL14181H),

Ah "No. of Cell for Battery"
--------------------------------
1.3 5
1.4 "
1.5 "
2.0 "
2.4 10
--> 2.5 5
2.6 10
4.0 "
5.0 "

avag...@gmail.com

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Dec 7, 2017, 11:42:19 PM12/7/17
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CORDLESS is widespread among Coach n RV people

My truck tires come off with cordless lug turners. and 3 deep charge batts on the rear axle.

I do not question the manufacturer's specs. The deal is finding combo....showing up at Amazon AFTER I bought the best cheap package.

amazing use age no extension after 10 years beginning with a slim Port Cable drill continues to grin.




John B.

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Dec 7, 2017, 11:50:03 PM12/7/17
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On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 22:38:41 +0100, Emanuel Berg <moa...@zoho.com>
wrote:

>Speaking of the Ryobi cordless power tool
>chain, I see there are no less then five
>different batteries! All are 18V Lithium but
>the Ah's are 1.3, 1.5, 2.5, 4.0 and 5.0.
>What does that mean? Do you get more power for
>a single drill or cut or whatever or can you
>just do the same thing more times
>before recharge?

The capacity is shown in Amp Hours so you can do the same thing more
times with the larger battery :-)

But of course the larger battery is heavier so if you are working at
arm's length perhaps you want the smaller one.
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John B.

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Dec 7, 2017, 11:52:38 PM12/7/17
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On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 22:59:02 +0100, Emanuel Berg <moa...@zoho.com>
wrote:

>Another question, in the manual it says "for
>indoor use". What does that mean? The tool
>can't take rain? Or cold? Or damp?
>
>I'm planning to lay a tin roof above part of
>the area so one can be inside and outside at
>the same time. Surely the tools won't break
>from use under such a roof?

I don't believe I have ever owned a tool marked "outside" and unless
you plan on working in a cloud burst, which few people do, I can't see
any reason for owning one.
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John B.

Emanuel Berg

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Dec 8, 2017, 12:00:37 AM12/8/17
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John B. wrote:

> I don't believe I have ever owned a tool
> marked "outside"

Really?

Anyone wants to become a millionaire? :)

It could be the next iteration of the cordless,
brushless [insert more here] power tool
revolution!

Emanuel Berg

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Dec 8, 2017, 12:01:17 AM12/8/17
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John B. wrote:

> I don't believe I have ever owned a tool
> marked "outside" and unless you plan on
> working in a cloud burst, which few people
> do, I can't see any reason for owning one.

When you buy nails and screws and the like
sometimes it says outside on the box.

John B.

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Dec 8, 2017, 12:07:39 AM12/8/17
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On Fri, 08 Dec 2017 00:20:45 +0100, Emanuel Berg <moa...@zoho.com>
wrote:
The different batter capacities are probably there because various
tools require different power levels. A light weight 1/4" drill will
obviously require a smaller motor to power it than (for example) a
1/2" hammer drill designed to drill holes in concrete.

A 1.5 HR battery that would power a small 1.4" drill for an hour would
power the larger drill for perhaps 15 minutes.
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John B.

Emanuel Berg

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Dec 8, 2017, 12:29:59 AM12/8/17
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John B. wrote:

> The different battery capacities are probably
> there because various tools require different
> power levels. A light weight 1/4" drill will
> obviously require a smaller motor to power it
> than (for example) a 1/2" hammer drill
> designed to drill holes in concrete.
>
> A 1.5 HR battery that would power a small
> 1.4" drill for an hour would power the larger
> drill for perhaps 15 minutes.

I don't know man. These batteries from the
looks of it does not differ that much in size.
Why not just get the bigger one?

I see the rationale with a small one for
drilling and driving in soft wood (if you are
to do that 1000 times and don't won't your
forearm to ache) and the big 5.0 Ah for the
angle grinder - sure. And one in between for
good measure. It's all good.

But take a look at the list of available
batteries again - all 18V, all Lithium, same
charger, same everything (almost).

Especially the first three - all with 5s and
the Ah in the tight range [1.3, 1.5].
Seems like virtually the same. But I wish they
would state the weight in the manual as well.

Ah No. of Cell for Battery
------------------------------
1.3 5
1.4 "
1.5 "
2.0 "
2.4 10
--> 2.5 5
2.6 10
4.0 "
5.0 "

John B.

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Dec 8, 2017, 4:34:52 AM12/8/17
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On Fri, 08 Dec 2017 06:00:34 +0100, Emanuel Berg <moa...@zoho.com>
wrote:

>John B. wrote:
>
>> I don't believe I have ever owned a tool
>> marked "outside"
>
>Really?
>
>Anyone wants to become a millionaire? :)
>
>It could be the next iteration of the cordless,
>brushless [insert more here] power tool
>revolution!

I am envisioning a "inside hammer" and an "outside hammer".
(The outside hammer would be the more expensive choice, of course :-)
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avag...@gmail.com

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Dec 8, 2017, 8:04:14 AM12/8/17
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Commercial Pro vs home shop

The batts are all different sizes right ?

Do batts fit into handle ?

Emanuel Berg

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Dec 8, 2017, 9:23:37 AM12/8/17
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avagadro7 wrote:

> Commercial Pro vs home shop
>
> The batts are all different sizes right ?

Yes. The difference is in height it would seem
from looking at images.

> Do batts fit into handle ?

The batts (5 in the booklet but in the manual
are several more in the table cited) - the
batts all fit into the tools of the particular
tool chain, which according to the booklet
I got with one of them consists of "over 40
tools".

Some of them, like a couple for
drilling/driving, look pretty similar to me
tho.

There are also two mowers. Maybe one for when
the grass is dry and one when it is wet, just
like with secateurs :)

Radey Shouman

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Dec 8, 2017, 9:51:35 AM12/8/17
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Don't go trying to sell me an "inside" shovel.

Joerg

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Dec 8, 2017, 10:28:37 AM12/8/17
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18min runtime isn't bad at all but it's going to be hard on the
batteries. When mixing tough beer bread dough with the Ryobi drill its
(smaller) battery doesn't last much longer than that. A 120V
mains-powered kitchen mixer would smoke out, I have ruined several of
those until I switched to electric drills.

Emanuel Berg

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Dec 8, 2017, 10:31:15 AM12/8/17
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Radey Shouman wrote:

>> I am envisioning a "inside hammer" and an
>> "outside hammer". (The outside hammer would
>> be the more expensive choice, of course :-)
>
> Don't go trying to sell me an
> "inside" shovel.

Ha ha :)

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Dec 8, 2017, 12:38:27 PM12/8/17
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READ

goo.gl/3KKUCt

a more useful drill is slimmer front to rear than a 'fat drill'

buy a right angle attachment

the best buy drill in a particular line is one step above the bottom cheapest drill

further up are construction n in factory/mobile industrial drills. usually fatter n heavier.

I have a Milwaukee hole shooter. $$$ from 30 years ago now $$$$ and man does it shoot holes.

tech marches on. recently bought a before ($$$) unthinkable Black n Decker small diameter circular saw caws of cross cut need n the thought time had run out on my finger luck with a super Ryobi line run jig saw doahn cut 2x4 gud.

Amazon had it n batts for ? $175 Previously, I would not be caught dead with a B&D product. But the little saw n motor runs strongly n should last forever with
INSIDE use.....one wudnot build a house with it.

a house ? a Rockwell or Milwaukee.

Asian power tool lines are formed as shop or construction in subtle ways n forget which is which so next time at Home depot there's a long long shelf of everyone's eg hammer drills for comparison. I'll relook n not step on the droolers.

what is 'inside' is Asian home non commercial shop. compare motor capcity with the next $$$ model up


David Scheidt

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Dec 8, 2017, 3:07:00 PM12/8/17
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Emanuel Berg <moa...@zoho.com> wrote:
:John B. wrote:

:> The different battery capacities are probably
:> there because various tools require different
:> power levels. A light weight 1/4" drill will
:> obviously require a smaller motor to power it
:> than (for example) a 1/2" hammer drill
:> designed to drill holes in concrete.
:>
:> A 1.5 HR battery that would power a small
:> 1.4" drill for an hour would power the larger
:> drill for perhaps 15 minutes.

:I don't know man. These batteries from the
:looks of it does not differ that much in size.
:Why not just get the bigger one?

Technology changes. Five years or so ago, the biggest battery
Milwaukee sold was a 3Ah one, consisting of 5s2p 1.5 Ah cells. Today,
they sell a 3Ah 5s battery, and a 6Ah 5s2p one, and a 9Ah 5s3p one,
all made up of 3Ah cells. One of kits I have was supposed to come
with 4Ah batteries, but mine came with 5Ah, as part of the 'continous
improvement' that datasheets always warn about.
I expect in a year or two those will be 4, 8, and 12 respectively,
from 4Ah cells.

:the Ah in the tight range [1.3, 1.5].
:Seems like virtually the same. But I wish they
:would state the weight in the manual as well.

They'll be identical, or near as dammit. If they're still selling
them, it's price or market differentian. It's possible the cells
have different life spans, so the low capcity batteries can do more
charge/discharge cycles. But I'm betting age and price.


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John B.

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Dec 8, 2017, 7:33:07 PM12/8/17
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Actually:
https://tinyurl.com/y6wmj3ot
And with Ergonomic Handles too :-)
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John B.

Emanuel Berg

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Dec 9, 2017, 2:29:02 PM12/9/17
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David Scheidt wrote:

>> the Ah in the tight range [1.3, 1.5].
>> Seems like virtually the same. But I wish
>> they would state the weight in the manual
>> as well.
>
> They'll be identical, or near as dammit.
> If they're still selling them, it's price or
> market differentian. It's possible the cells
> have different life spans, so the low capcity
> batteries can do more charge/discharge
> cycles. But I'm betting age and price.

You mean "progress has advanced" so the
explanation to the tight range is that the box
into which one year it was possible to cream
down 1.3 Ah, the year after that it was
possible to fit 1.4 Ah? OK, makes sense.

Jeff Liebermann

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Dec 9, 2017, 3:48:42 PM12/9/17
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On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 22:38:41 +0100, Emanuel Berg <moa...@zoho.com>
wrote:

>Speaking of the Ryobi cordless power tool
>chain, I see there are no less then five
>different batteries! All are 18V Lithium but
>the Ah's are 1.3, 1.5, 2.5, 4.0 and 5.0.
>What does that mean? Do you get more power for
>a single drill or cut or whatever or can you
>just do the same thing more times
>before recharge?

Different cells from different vendors. They're all 18650 form factor
cells, but come from different vendors at different Amp-Hr ratings. As
I understand it, as told to me by a friend in battery business,
someone sued some cordless power tool vendors for advertising a
specific battery capacity, and delivering somewhat less. So, to
protect themselves, Ryobi rates their packs by the actual, and
probably tested, battery capacity. I couldn't find the specific class
action suit, but it should be in here, somewhere:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=class+action+ryobi+battery>

See the chart for various model number battery packs at:
<http://toolboyworld.com/eBay/Ryobi_Batt_Rebuild.htm>
This is 12 different cells, with 12 different Amp-Hr ratings:
<http://toolboyworld.com/eBay/Misc/CBAII_2.jpg>
Also, notice all the circuitry crammed into the battery pack. Most
other LiIon power tool packs include some protection and balance
circuitry, but few have what looks like the entire charge controller
built into the battery. It's usually in the charger.

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Jeff Liebermann

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Dec 9, 2017, 3:53:34 PM12/9/17
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On Sat, 09 Dec 2017 12:48:39 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:
(...)

More:
"Adapting Milwaukee Batteries to work with Ryobi Tools"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78Nx49VKUew>

"How To Upgrade/Convert a Ryobi Drill Battery From 1.5AH to 2.5 AH"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp2RkvpkZHE>

There's quite a bit on YouTube on how to fix, modify, and increase the
power of Ryobi batteries:
<https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ryobi+battery>

David Scheidt

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Dec 9, 2017, 4:44:50 PM12/9/17
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Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
:This is 12 different cells, with 12 different Amp-Hr ratings:
:<http://toolboyworld.com/eBay/Misc/CBAII_2.jpg>
:Also, notice all the circuitry crammed into the battery pack. Most
:other LiIon power tool packs include some protection and balance
:circuitry, but few have what looks like the entire charge controller
:built into the battery. It's usually in the charger.

All the good cordless tool brands do. Makes it possible to have
batteries that work with tools that are 12 years old, and 12 year old
batteries that work with new tools.


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> goo.gl/asWy5f

goo.gl/Zqc42w

Jeff Liebermann

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Dec 10, 2017, 9:33:13 PM12/10/17
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Are you sure that the cordless power tool companies actually want
that? If they did, I would expect all the batteries to have the same
charger and at least have the same package and connector. That's
hardly the case. No sooner than a new model appears, I find myself
buying yet another charger and new batteries.

My guess(tm) is the "good" battery packs have internal chargers
because that's the only sane way to provide balance charging for
series connected LiIon cells. The balance circuitry could have been
in the charger, but then there would be at least one wire per cell
going between the battery and the charger. There would also need to
be wires for temperature sensing. The rest of the circuitry inside
the battery pack is the BMS (battery management system), something for
the "fuel gauge" indicator, and counterfeit tool/battery detection.

You might want to look at some YouTube videos of various battery
powered power tool and battery pack teardowns.
<https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=boltr+battery>

I think you'll find this video interesting or at least amusing:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b9ZYt6MzHc> (14:49)
In the beginning, he discusses DeWalt 20/60v battery pack
compatibility vs LiIon shipping regulations. Near the end, he kills
two cells in the pack by cutting the pack apart with a reciprocating
saw.

I have a few DeWalt LiIon power tools. The battery packs have very
little electronics inside:
<https://syonyk.blogspot.com/2016/09/dewalt-20v-max-30ah-battery-pack.html>
It has the standard BMS board, but no balance charger circuitry. I
guess(tm) you would consider this battery not so "good".

avag...@gmail.com

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Dec 10, 2017, 10:56:51 PM12/10/17
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I'm just pleased as Punch the tools work so well.

goo.gl/hZ18MA

Jeff Liebermann

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Dec 12, 2017, 4:53:46 PM12/12/17
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On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 19:56:48 -0800 (PST), avag...@gmail.com wrote:

>I'm just pleased as Punch the tools work so well.

More power to you.

>goo.gl/hZ18MA

You don't really think I'm going to click some obfuscated link without
a clue as to what I should expect to find? Try your luck (Flash
required):
<https://goo.gl/K623p7>

AMuzi

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Dec 12, 2017, 5:46:12 PM12/12/17
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On 12/12/2017 3:53 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 19:56:48 -0800 (PST), avag...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm just pleased as Punch the tools work so well.
>
> More power to you.
>
>> goo.gl/hZ18MA
>
> You don't really think I'm going to click some obfuscated link without
> a clue as to what I should expect to find? Try your luck (Flash
> required):
> <https://goo.gl/K623p7>
>

Thanks for that. I thought I was the only one who declines
to click that sort of thing.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


avag...@gmail.com

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Dec 12, 2017, 8:42:31 PM12/12/17
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Imagining contemporary house construction is difficult, I keep dragging the cord over my hypothalmus

AMuzi

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Dec 12, 2017, 8:46:39 PM12/12/17
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Mr Berg can help you with a Ryobi cordless hypothalamus.

Frank Krygowski

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Dec 12, 2017, 9:39:15 PM12/12/17
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On 12/12/2017 5:46 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 12/12/2017 3:53 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 19:56:48 -0800 (PST), avag...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm just pleased as Punch the tools work so well.
>>
>> More power to you.
>>
>>> goo.gl/hZ18MA
>>
>> You don't really think I'm going to click some obfuscated link without
>> a clue as to what I should expect to find?  Try your luck (Flash
>> required):
>> <https://goo.gl/K623p7>
>>
>
> Thanks for that. I thought I was the only one who declines to click that
> sort of thing.

You're definitely not the only one!


--
- Frank Krygowski

avag...@gmail.com

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Dec 12, 2017, 10:18:13 PM12/12/17
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ok then see ya next year

John B.

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Dec 13, 2017, 12:44:16 AM12/13/17
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The thought enters one's mind.... I wonder what he has to hide....
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Cheers,

John B.

Emanuel Berg

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Dec 13, 2017, 12:51:12 AM12/13/17
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AMuzi wrote:

> Mr Berg can help you with a Ryobi
> cordless hypothalamus.

Hypnowhat? :)

The hypothalamus is a section of the brain
responsible for the production of many of
the body's essential hormones, chemical
substances that help control different
cells and organs. The hormones from the
hypothalamus govern physiologic functions
such as temperature regulation, thirst,
hunger, sleep, mood, sex drive, and ... [1]

[1] https://www.healthline.com/human-body-maps/hypothalamus

Sir Ridesalot

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Dec 13, 2017, 4:44:12 AM12/13/17
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I don't click ANY link that I don't know the destination of. Thus, most of avg's (aka Gene's) posts are ignored.

Cheers

Emanuel Berg

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Dec 13, 2017, 5:48:25 AM12/13/17
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AMuzi wrote:

> Mr Berg can help you with a Ryobi
> cordless hypothalamus.

OK, now I understand what you mean! Well, yes!
Only that it is Ryobi is a bit of
a coincidence. Or convenient I should say.
I probably would buy the most expensive
machines if I could afford them.

As for power tools, I was completely unaware of
how neat and pleasant those had become!
I thought it was all scraper, demolition
hammer, reciprocating saw, big bulky loud
"concussion style" machines.
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