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Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Jul 14, 2016, 10:36:20 AM7/14/16
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Caused by an ancestral almost visceral hatred of Eastern Europe toward their former Russian rulers, this divide may cause the downfall of the EU and NATO. The UK paid the price for supporting the East while Germany and France are asking the hard questions. Who's friend, who's foe. Russia is not the same Stalinist nation it once was.
NATO should have gone long time ago, while the EU grew way too large. It has become empire building, not the free association of peaceful nations it was envisioned. I'd ask if America complies with European values, such as those dismissed with the Kyoto Protocol and the invasion of Iraq. Eastern Europe has swapped one empire for another.
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NATO should have gone long time ago, while the EU grew way too large. It has become empire building, not the free association of peaceful nations it was envisioned. I'd ask if America complies with European values, such as those dismissed with the Kyoto Protocol and the invasion of Iraq. Eastern Europe has swapped one empire for another.
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Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Jul 14, 2016, 11:38:51 AM7/14/16
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On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 10:35:27 AM UTC-4, Malcolm McMahon wrote:
Oh, no no, the market forces are at work in Russia. No long lines for toilet paper. Freedom to travel abroad...
>
> >
> > NATO should have gone long time ago,
>
> During the Gorabachev/Yeltsin era it looked like NATO might be allowed to fade away. We called it the "peace dividend".
The arms race is a very profitable business. Why invest in preventing New Orleans from being wiped out by a hurricane?
>
> > while the EU grew way too large.
>
> It certainly grew too fast.
That's right. Too fast, as if there were political pressures to make it happen. Eastern Germany was quickly lifted out of poverty by a powerful West Germany, but absorbing the whole of Eastern Europe hasn't been so easy, people flowed toward the West, etc. Maybe they rushed the process to prevent Russia --perish the thought-- from reabsorbing them.
>
> > It has become empire building, not the free association of peaceful nations it was envisioned.
>
> Is it still an "empire" when countries are clammering to join?
Maybe. Ask Americans to voluntarily comply with ALL European rules and regulations. And then some other European nations --Western Europeans for sure-- may want out as well.
>
> Europe _needs_ a supra-national organisation, and historically there's generally been one. The EU is the most benign yet.
Yeah, time to go back to basics. They were struggling with southern Europe and now it wants to absorb Ukraine and everybody? The bigger it is, the more likely to fall apart. Wasn't it the lesson from Rome? Wasn't Rome benign with those who complied?
Remember GW Bush dismissed the Kyoto Protocol as a nuisance for the economy? Western Europeans made a lot of fuss about it, but they were dismissed as insects.
It doesn't, but NATO uses many of these nations in funny ways, such as using their troops in far away places, such as Iraq. The "Coalition of the Willing," right? Did the USSR recruit Eastern European troops to serve, say, in Afghanistan? No, they got dirty themselves.
>
> Life has, in fact, never been as expensive. When they are forced to put a value on human life, e.g. in road planning, last I heard it was about £700,000. Life is not cheap, at least the lives of educated adult westerners.
When I ride a bicycle I become an insect. Actually I can kill a pedestrian quite by accident while riding on the sidewalk, something I must do in order to s-u-r-v-i-v-e. Our lives are cheap. The capitalist world --predatory capitalism-- is made for SUVs --big fat ones, not the wimpy ones made in the UK or Germany. Well, Germany has been feeding the jungle lately. There's a square Mercedes that comes with tinted windows. It must be part of the package. The "predator package." Do they comply with "European standards," whatever that means? Nobody wants to be a "happy monkey." They want to be a gorilla. "Fear is in the air."
The irony of it all, the mosquitoes will survive our worst attacks and predatory efforts. They are telling those in charge of our predatory economies, they are the true rulers of the jungle. The lions will be gone, the tigers will be gone. Our cousins the monkeys will probably survive in cages, for amusement and research.
What do we got left? Oh, "democracy"... The Christians being in the majority, it's in very safe hands. ;)
> On Thursday, 14 July 2016 15:18:22 UTC+1, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher wrote:
> > Caused by an ancestral almost visceral hatred of Eastern Europe toward their former Russian rulers, this divide may cause the downfall of the EU and NATO.
>
> I had a brief political discussion with an Estonian a couple of years back. Their history has been a string of invaders, of whom the Russians are merely the latest. I think they see little difference between the Russians, the Nazis, the Ottoman Empire. In each case they became second class citizens in their own country. Of course in the present situation Russians are the most likely next invasion. With their history they _expect_ to be invaded.
> > Caused by an ancestral almost visceral hatred of Eastern Europe toward their former Russian rulers, this divide may cause the downfall of the EU and NATO.
>
>
> > The UK paid the price for supporting the East while Germany and France are asking the hard questions. Who's friend, who's foe. Russia is not the same Stalinist nation it once was.
>
> But it's headed back that way, though without the pretence at Communism.
> > The UK paid the price for supporting the East while Germany and France are asking the hard questions. Who's friend, who's foe. Russia is not the same Stalinist nation it once was.
>
Oh, no no, the market forces are at work in Russia. No long lines for toilet paper. Freedom to travel abroad...
>
> >
> > NATO should have gone long time ago,
>
The arms race is a very profitable business. Why invest in preventing New Orleans from being wiped out by a hurricane?
>
> > while the EU grew way too large.
>
That's right. Too fast, as if there were political pressures to make it happen. Eastern Germany was quickly lifted out of poverty by a powerful West Germany, but absorbing the whole of Eastern Europe hasn't been so easy, people flowed toward the West, etc. Maybe they rushed the process to prevent Russia --perish the thought-- from reabsorbing them.
>
> > It has become empire building, not the free association of peaceful nations it was envisioned.
>
Maybe. Ask Americans to voluntarily comply with ALL European rules and regulations. And then some other European nations --Western Europeans for sure-- may want out as well.
>
> Europe _needs_ a supra-national organisation, and historically there's generally been one. The EU is the most benign yet.
Yeah, time to go back to basics. They were struggling with southern Europe and now it wants to absorb Ukraine and everybody? The bigger it is, the more likely to fall apart. Wasn't it the lesson from Rome? Wasn't Rome benign with those who complied?
>
>
> > I'd ask if America complies with European values, such as those dismissed with the Kyoto Protocol and the invasion of Iraq.
>
> Often not.
>
> > I'd ask if America complies with European values, such as those dismissed with the Kyoto Protocol and the invasion of Iraq.
>
Remember GW Bush dismissed the Kyoto Protocol as a nuisance for the economy? Western Europeans made a lot of fuss about it, but they were dismissed as insects.
>
>
> > Eastern Europe has swapped one empire for another.
>
> I don't thing that Estonian lady saw it that way. They _know_ what it's like to be an occupied country. The EU doesn't occupy.
>
> > Eastern Europe has swapped one empire for another.
>
It doesn't, but NATO uses many of these nations in funny ways, such as using their troops in far away places, such as Iraq. The "Coalition of the Willing," right? Did the USSR recruit Eastern European troops to serve, say, in Afghanistan? No, they got dirty themselves.
>
>
> >
> > "Life's cheap, profits are sacred"
> >
>
>
> As I see it, there have only ever been two methods of organising mass society, the market and the hierarchy. For all its faults the market is better. Bicycles are not a sufficient condition.
>
> >
> > "Life's cheap, profits are sacred"
> >
>
>
>
> Life has, in fact, never been as expensive. When they are forced to put a value on human life, e.g. in road planning, last I heard it was about £700,000. Life is not cheap, at least the lives of educated adult westerners.
When I ride a bicycle I become an insect. Actually I can kill a pedestrian quite by accident while riding on the sidewalk, something I must do in order to s-u-r-v-i-v-e. Our lives are cheap. The capitalist world --predatory capitalism-- is made for SUVs --big fat ones, not the wimpy ones made in the UK or Germany. Well, Germany has been feeding the jungle lately. There's a square Mercedes that comes with tinted windows. It must be part of the package. The "predator package." Do they comply with "European standards," whatever that means? Nobody wants to be a "happy monkey." They want to be a gorilla. "Fear is in the air."
The irony of it all, the mosquitoes will survive our worst attacks and predatory efforts. They are telling those in charge of our predatory economies, they are the true rulers of the jungle. The lions will be gone, the tigers will be gone. Our cousins the monkeys will probably survive in cages, for amusement and research.
What do we got left? Oh, "democracy"... The Christians being in the majority, it's in very safe hands. ;)
Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Jul 14, 2016, 2:47:52 PM7/14/16
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On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 12:01:51 PM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher,
> <news:02a234c1-3f18-4c6c...@googlegroups.com>
> the Poles (and it's not quite hatred, it's rather a desperate desire "to
> show them", ie. the Russians, something (not quite clear what exactly,
> but it must be convincing). Others, especially the Balts, may dislike the
> Soviet past, but it's not the same as the attitude toward modern Russia.
>
> The narrative about incredible east-European hatreds is promoted and
> exaggerated among the English-speaking public artificially. Atlanticist
> (American & traditional British) archetypal dream is to isolate Russia
> from Europe, in reality there is no much hatreds in the East Europe
> except the above cases. Also the hatreds towards Russia are expressed
> and promoted not from the grassroots but mostly by the new east-European
> elites that must fulfill what they were paid for by the Atlanticism.
>
> The Atlanticism is a globalist phenomenon of religious nature combined
> with the desire of expansion of large corporations and other Big Money
> while Russia is an obstacle to it mainly because it has its own strong
> ideological tradition and is not so enthusiastic about the predominant
> Atlanticist doctrines.
I still remember the apocalyptic language of the new government in Ukraine. This hatred toward Russia must be fed so we are willing to do any sacrifice.
We in the West are ready to die as we are told by NATO. 💀
> Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher,
> <news:02a234c1-3f18-4c6c...@googlegroups.com>
>
> > Caused by an ancestral almost visceral hatred of Eastern
> > Europe toward their former Russian rulers, this divide
> > may cause the downfall of the EU and NATO.
>
> It's actually not so dramatic. The 'visceral hatred' is relevant only to
> > Caused by an ancestral almost visceral hatred of Eastern
> > Europe toward their former Russian rulers, this divide
> > may cause the downfall of the EU and NATO.
>
> the Poles (and it's not quite hatred, it's rather a desperate desire "to
> show them", ie. the Russians, something (not quite clear what exactly,
> but it must be convincing). Others, especially the Balts, may dislike the
> Soviet past, but it's not the same as the attitude toward modern Russia.
>
> The narrative about incredible east-European hatreds is promoted and
> exaggerated among the English-speaking public artificially. Atlanticist
> (American & traditional British) archetypal dream is to isolate Russia
> from Europe, in reality there is no much hatreds in the East Europe
> except the above cases. Also the hatreds towards Russia are expressed
> and promoted not from the grassroots but mostly by the new east-European
> elites that must fulfill what they were paid for by the Atlanticism.
>
> The Atlanticism is a globalist phenomenon of religious nature combined
> with the desire of expansion of large corporations and other Big Money
> while Russia is an obstacle to it mainly because it has its own strong
> ideological tradition and is not so enthusiastic about the predominant
> Atlanticist doctrines.
I still remember the apocalyptic language of the new government in Ukraine. This hatred toward Russia must be fed so we are willing to do any sacrifice.
We in the West are ready to die as we are told by NATO. 💀
John B.
Jul 14, 2016, 10:59:16 PM7/14/16
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We in the West? Have you joined the army?
It might be noted that at present NATO has about 18.000 personal in
various operations around the world. The total number of military in
all NATO member nations is about 2,353,675 which means that
approximately 0.7% of NATO forces are possibly going to die...
--
cheers,
John B.
Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Jul 15, 2016, 9:18:09 AM7/15/16
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But I think I get your point: The total population of NATO is 900 million, with several times the military budget of Russia, which has a population of 150 million...
And yet we are very afraid of Russia. Is someone manipulating this fear? My fear of riding a bike is very real, and I get pushed around very often, but this fear of Russia is just unreal. It's like the fear of Eastern Europe is blown out of proportion. We can punish the Russians for crossing those borders.
I laugh at all this while I ride my bicycle.
Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Jul 15, 2016, 10:18:29 AM7/15/16
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On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 9:35:06 AM UTC-4, Malcolm McMahon wrote:
> Here you go: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36778953
Not to Miami though. A few unconnected bike lanes here and there won't do the job. Worse, traffic is untamed and predatory.
>
> > But I think I get your point: The total population of NATO is 900 million, with several times the military budget of Russia, which has a population of 150 million...
> >
> > And yet we are very afraid of Russia.
>
> The difference is the "agility" of an increasingly totalitarian state.
Yes, they can strike like lightning but how can they hold their position against an enemy 10 times mightier? It's a situation similar to Iraq and Kuwait. It's just impossible. Why is NATO holding exercises next to their borders and keeping a wimpy military force there?
It must look mighty scary when they are the underdog, being surrounded by a pack of wolves. Besides, he must appeal to the Russian to be frugal for the sake of survival. We are not being frugal. We are squandering money on everything except lifting the quality of life in the ghetto.
>
> > My fear of riding a bike is very real, and I get pushed around very often, but this fear of Russia is just unreal. It's like the fear of Eastern Europe is blown out of proportion. We can punish the Russians for crossing those borders.
> >
>
> What's really annoying is that, under Gorbachev & Yeltsin, Russia looked like it would "get with the program" and allow us to get back to what we prefer to do - make wealth.
Yeltsin was a drunk. Gorbachev should have done it since he initiated it. But the West doesn't want a strong Russia in any case. They want to bring Russia down to her knees. It took Putin to avoid that uncomfortable position.
>
> But they ran out of money, and the West was too stupid and stuck in the cold war mentality to invest in helping them.
>
> For a few billion dollars we could have wound up the whole thing.
Again. Look how they crushed the Venezuelan economy but not the Russian economy with the oil prices. Now they must join the arms race and compete with the West. No small feat. I think the Russians are survivors by nature. They must be lean and mean.
Not to Miami though. A few unconnected bike lanes here and there won't do the job. Worse, traffic is untamed and predatory.
>
> > But I think I get your point: The total population of NATO is 900 million, with several times the military budget of Russia, which has a population of 150 million...
> >
> > And yet we are very afraid of Russia.
>
Yes, they can strike like lightning but how can they hold their position against an enemy 10 times mightier? It's a situation similar to Iraq and Kuwait. It's just impossible. Why is NATO holding exercises next to their borders and keeping a wimpy military force there?
>
>
> > Is someone manipulating this fear?
>
> Certainly you'll see it played up at budget time. But Putin is _also_ manipulating this fear. Military comparisons are pretty meaningless in a situation where whichever side was losing a conventional war would be likely to go nuclear.
>
> > Is someone manipulating this fear?
>
It must look mighty scary when they are the underdog, being surrounded by a pack of wolves. Besides, he must appeal to the Russian to be frugal for the sake of survival. We are not being frugal. We are squandering money on everything except lifting the quality of life in the ghetto.
>
> > My fear of riding a bike is very real, and I get pushed around very often, but this fear of Russia is just unreal. It's like the fear of Eastern Europe is blown out of proportion. We can punish the Russians for crossing those borders.
> >
>
Yeltsin was a drunk. Gorbachev should have done it since he initiated it. But the West doesn't want a strong Russia in any case. They want to bring Russia down to her knees. It took Putin to avoid that uncomfortable position.
>
> But they ran out of money, and the West was too stupid and stuck in the cold war mentality to invest in helping them.
>
> For a few billion dollars we could have wound up the whole thing.
Again. Look how they crushed the Venezuelan economy but not the Russian economy with the oil prices. Now they must join the arms race and compete with the West. No small feat. I think the Russians are survivors by nature. They must be lean and mean.
Free Spirit, Chief of Quixotic Enterprises
Jul 15, 2016, 11:12:46 AM7/15/16
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And don't ask them to walk or ride a bike.
Well, perhaps this is too idealistic and the Russians grew lazy and fat too. The bicycle is certainly not realistic in the long winter months. Walking and public transportation is the way to go for many. Putin wants to connect Moscow with St. Petersburg via some futuristic train. Great job! The USSR was Spartan but not in a voluntary way. It was forced from the top and people were infatuated with the West and they wanted to try McDonald's. And the elites had everything. That's demoralizing. Perhaps that's why they fell apart. Now Russians don't even care about "happy meals" and stuff like that. I had that stuff a couple of nights ago and it was rancid and tasteless. Too little ketchup?
Free Spirit, Chief of Quixotic Enterprises
Jul 15, 2016, 11:48:15 AM7/15/16
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On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 11:13:08 AM UTC-4, Malcolm McMahon wrote:
> Because these former clients of the Russian Empire are seriously worried that the Russians could do a "masked war" on them, and that NATO might not do anything about it.
>
> All of these countries have a Russian population, formerly running the place who might be frightened into some kind of armed uprising.
>
> NATO is configured to oppose a conventional attack, not to deal with an externally inspired and supplied civil war.
>
> These exercises are mostly to re-assure these countries, and Russia, that NATO's promises are serious.
So we must be ready to die for the freedom of Poland.
What kind of freedom? The freedom to emigrate wherever they please? ;)
What are the chances of Russia invading Poland, one in a million or one in a billion?
> On Friday, 15 July 2016 15:12:39 UTC+1, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher wrote:
> > On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 9:35:06 AM UTC-4, Malcolm McMahon wrote:
> > On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 9:35:06 AM UTC-4, Malcolm McMahon wrote:
>
> All of these countries have a Russian population, formerly running the place who might be frightened into some kind of armed uprising.
>
> NATO is configured to oppose a conventional attack, not to deal with an externally inspired and supplied civil war.
>
> These exercises are mostly to re-assure these countries, and Russia, that NATO's promises are serious.
So we must be ready to die for the freedom of Poland.
What kind of freedom? The freedom to emigrate wherever they please? ;)
What are the chances of Russia invading Poland, one in a million or one in a billion?
Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Jul 15, 2016, 3:05:09 PM7/15/16
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On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 11:44:54 AM UTC-4, Malcolm McMahon wrote:
Mexico has such an open society, and a lot of Mexicans want to come to America.
Democracy is pretty imperfect, cruel and brutal for many. A lot of hypocrisy. But I get your point. The problem is Russia itself adopted that model.
>
> > What are the chances of Russia invading Poland, one in million or one in a billion?
>
> Depends on what Putin thinks he can get away with. He's quite open about wanting to rebuild the Russian Empire.
He would have to feel suicidal, in which case he would attack the West head on. They can overrun Western Europe quite easily and then... then WWIII, of course.
The Warsaw Pact disappeared but the West didn't reciprocate. Pretty sneaky, I think. Maybe you catch Putin in a depressive mood one day, and feeling surrounded, he strikes. Hitler would have struck if he had the chance.
Does Putin sound like Hitler? No, he doesn't. He's eager to cooperate and trade, something denied to him. Maybe one day Russia is starting to crumble, the West feeds the revolution, and he strikes.
Cornering the bear is a great strategy if you want to look for trouble. True, they repress the gays. They repress the free press. But I ask you: Where was the free press to prevent Iraq? As for the gays, they have a lot to celebrate in the West.
I don't know who else is celebrating in the West. Perhaps the elites.
> On Friday, 15 July 2016 16:29:57 UTC+1, Free Spirit, Chief of Quixotic Enterprises wrote:
> > What kind of freedom? The freedom to emigrate wherever they please? ;)
> >
>
> The freedoms of an open society, and the hope of economic progress.
> > What kind of freedom? The freedom to emigrate wherever they please? ;)
> >
>
Mexico has such an open society, and a lot of Mexicans want to come to America.
Democracy is pretty imperfect, cruel and brutal for many. A lot of hypocrisy. But I get your point. The problem is Russia itself adopted that model.
>
> > What are the chances of Russia invading Poland, one in million or one in a billion?
>
> Depends on what Putin thinks he can get away with. He's quite open about wanting to rebuild the Russian Empire.
He would have to feel suicidal, in which case he would attack the West head on. They can overrun Western Europe quite easily and then... then WWIII, of course.
The Warsaw Pact disappeared but the West didn't reciprocate. Pretty sneaky, I think. Maybe you catch Putin in a depressive mood one day, and feeling surrounded, he strikes. Hitler would have struck if he had the chance.
Does Putin sound like Hitler? No, he doesn't. He's eager to cooperate and trade, something denied to him. Maybe one day Russia is starting to crumble, the West feeds the revolution, and he strikes.
Cornering the bear is a great strategy if you want to look for trouble. True, they repress the gays. They repress the free press. But I ask you: Where was the free press to prevent Iraq? As for the gays, they have a lot to celebrate in the West.
I don't know who else is celebrating in the West. Perhaps the elites.
John B.
Jul 15, 2016, 8:43:03 PM7/15/16
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On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 06:18:06 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Are you sure? I enquire as the Holy Koran has it that "one sword is
mightier than a thousand words" and I suspect that one automobile is
mightier than 10,000 bicycles.
Which is, I suspect, the reason that you are so terrified, as you so
frequently mention, of riding a bike.
>But I think I get your point: The total population of NATO is 900 million, with several times the military budget of Russia, which has a population of 150 million...
>
>And yet we are very afraid of Russia. Is someone manipulating this fear? My fear of riding a bike is very real, and I get pushed around very often, but this fear of Russia is just unreal. It's like the fear of Eastern Europe is blown out of proportion. We can punish the Russians for crossing those borders.
Given that approximately 0.0002% of the U.S. population is killed
annually riding bicycles it would appear that your fear of bicycles is
irrational at best.
>I laugh at all this while I ride my bicycle.
--
cheers,
John B.
mightier than a thousand words" and I suspect that one automobile is
mightier than 10,000 bicycles.
Which is, I suspect, the reason that you are so terrified, as you so
frequently mention, of riding a bike.
>But I think I get your point: The total population of NATO is 900 million, with several times the military budget of Russia, which has a population of 150 million...
>
>And yet we are very afraid of Russia. Is someone manipulating this fear? My fear of riding a bike is very real, and I get pushed around very often, but this fear of Russia is just unreal. It's like the fear of Eastern Europe is blown out of proportion. We can punish the Russians for crossing those borders.
annually riding bicycles it would appear that your fear of bicycles is
irrational at best.
>I laugh at all this while I ride my bicycle.
cheers,
John B.
John B.
Jul 15, 2016, 9:01:04 PM7/15/16
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On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:05:07 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 11:44:54 AM UTC-4, Malcolm McMahon wrote:
>> On Friday, 15 July 2016 16:29:57 UTC+1, Free Spirit, Chief of Quixotic Enterprises wrote:
>> > What kind of freedom? The freedom to emigrate wherever they please? ;)
>> >
>>
>> The freedoms of an open society, and the hope of economic progress.
>
>Mexico has such an open society, and a lot of Mexicans want to come to America.
>
>Democracy is pretty imperfect, cruel and brutal for many. A lot of hypocrisy. But I get your point. The problem is Russia itself adopted that model.
>
>>
>> > What are the chances of Russia invading Poland, one in million or one in a billion?
>>
>> Depends on what Putin thinks he can get away with. He's quite open about wanting to rebuild the Russian Empire.
>
>He would have to feel suicidal, in which case he would attack the West head on. They can overrun Western Europe quite easily and then... then WWIII, of course.
But why bother, they already have a great deal of control of Europe
Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 11:44:54 AM UTC-4, Malcolm McMahon wrote:
>> On Friday, 15 July 2016 16:29:57 UTC+1, Free Spirit, Chief of Quixotic Enterprises wrote:
>> > What kind of freedom? The freedom to emigrate wherever they please? ;)
>> >
>>
>> The freedoms of an open society, and the hope of economic progress.
>
>Mexico has such an open society, and a lot of Mexicans want to come to America.
>
>Democracy is pretty imperfect, cruel and brutal for many. A lot of hypocrisy. But I get your point. The problem is Russia itself adopted that model.
>
>>
>> > What are the chances of Russia invading Poland, one in million or one in a billion?
>>
>> Depends on what Putin thinks he can get away with. He's quite open about wanting to rebuild the Russian Empire.
>
>He would have to feel suicidal, in which case he would attack the West head on. They can overrun Western Europe quite easily and then... then WWIII, of course.
simply because if they close the pipeline valves off Europe freezes.
>The Warsaw Pact disappeared but the West didn't reciprocate. Pretty sneaky, I think. Maybe you catch Putin in a depressive mood one day, and feeling surrounded, he strikes. Hitler would have struck if he had the chance.
>
>Does Putin sound like Hitler? No, he doesn't. He's eager to cooperate and trade, something denied to him. Maybe one day Russia is starting to crumble, the West feeds the revolution, and he strikes.
largest trading partner of the E.U. and the second largest oil
exporter in the world. Or isn't selling oil to foreign countries
considered "trade"?
You exhibit a positively amazing lack of knowledge.
>Cornering the bear is a great strategy if you want to look for trouble. True, they repress the gays. They repress the free press. But I ask you: >Where was the free press to prevent Iraq? As for the gays, they have a lot to celebrate in the West.
>I don't know who else is celebrating in the West. Perhaps the elites.
cheers,
John B.
Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Jul 16, 2016, 11:00:01 AM7/16/16
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On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 10:44:40 PM UTC-4, SERGIO MORO wrote:
> <I don't know who else is celebrating in the West. Perhaps the elites>
>
> I celebrate everyday, no matter weather I am in the West or in the East.
> <I don't know who else is celebrating in the West. Perhaps the elites>
>
> No matter if I am broke or have a lot of money.
> Life is a gift, and actualy we don´t deserve it, so why not celebrate it?
When you wake up in the morning, you make a conscious decision: LIFE'S A BEACH, then you go to the beach or ride a bike. Or LIFE'S A BITCH, then stay in the cage or join the rat race.
Moral of the story: Look for happiness because it won't come to you. And even while having fun someone may try to ruin your day. If you are riding a bicycle, it's easy for them to ruin your day or hurt you. If you are at the beach, beware of the shark.
And you still must go out and face the jungle. 😊
Print my fliers if you really want to have fun in the jungle, but avoid the elites. They are sad people because they repress the monkey. Free the monkey within. 👍
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Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Jul 16, 2016, 12:24:16 PM7/16/16
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On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 8:43:03 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>
> Which is, I suspect, the reason that you are so terrified, as you so
> frequently mention, of riding a bike.
I have four roads I may follow: one leads to the deep jungle (the ghetto) so nothing in it for me, the other has sharrows (bike painted on lane indicating I may take the lane) but it amounts to a suicidal mission, the other is Russian roulette, and the last one is the one I tend to follow without much conflict. Mind you, I have been close to being killed twice on the last one but somehow I can be smarter and manage the danger.
I give a damn what you think. It's my own life and that of my girlfriend that I care about. The guy with the bomb (the so called terrorist) wants to die, but the cyclist wants to live. He does it so the world can live. That's why the bicycle is a better weapon.
http://www.zazzle.com/mightier_then_the_bomb_t_shirt-235797547492014769?rf=238111090634717809
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 06:18:06 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >I'm in the army. I'm a "peace warrior" riding my bike. The bike is mightier than the bomb.
>
> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >I'm in the army. I'm a "peace warrior" riding my bike. The bike is mightier than the bomb.
>
> Are you sure? I enquire as the Holy Koran has it that "one sword is
> mightier than a thousand words" and I suspect that one automobile is
> mightier than 10,000 bicycles.
Is the automobile a bomb? I guess yes, the truck in Nice became a bomb that killed many people. SUVs are a bomb.
> mightier than a thousand words" and I suspect that one automobile is
> mightier than 10,000 bicycles.
>
> Which is, I suspect, the reason that you are so terrified, as you so
> frequently mention, of riding a bike.
I give a damn what you think. It's my own life and that of my girlfriend that I care about. The guy with the bomb (the so called terrorist) wants to die, but the cyclist wants to live. He does it so the world can live. That's why the bicycle is a better weapon.
http://www.zazzle.com/mightier_then_the_bomb_t_shirt-235797547492014769?rf=238111090634717809
John B.
Jul 17, 2016, 8:02:28 PM7/17/16
to
On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 09:20:21 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 8:43:03 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 06:18:06 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
>> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >I'm in the army. I'm a "peace warrior" riding my bike. The bike is mightier than the bomb.
>>
>> Are you sure? I enquire as the Holy Koran has it that "one sword is
>> mightier than a thousand words" and I suspect that one automobile is
>> mightier than 10,000 bicycles.
>
usually explode while SUV's usually don't, or at least very rarely.
are, just move. After all the continental U.S. covers something like
3,120,426.47 square miles. One would think that you could find a spot
somewhere that you like.
>I give a damn what you think. It's my own life and that of my girlfriend that I care about. The guy with the bomb (the so called terrorist) wants to die, but the cyclist wants to live. He does it so the world can live. That's why the bicycle is a better weapon.
Why should you care? But on the other hand, if you don't care why are
you complaining so loudly?
As for the bicyclist riding "so the world can live"? Are you slightly
deranged? A bit ignorant? Or simply so untouched by reality that you
are living in a dream?
Or just a silly little boy?
>
>http://www.zazzle.com/mightier_then_the_bomb_t_shirt-235797547492014769?rf=238111090634717809
>
>http://www.zazzle.com/mightier_then_the_bomb_t_shirt-235797547492014769?rf=238111090634717809
Usenet is usually thought to be a non commercial network and here you
are advertising your tee shirts for sale. For $22.50.... for a shirt
that I can easily have reproduced for less than US$5.00, in lots of
100 or more.
It appears that your "save the World" operation is netting you about
$15.00 on every sale. Is this really a "save the world" exercise or
(as seems likely) a "make me rich" scheme?
--
cheers,
John B.
Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 8:43:03 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 06:18:06 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
>> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >I'm in the army. I'm a "peace warrior" riding my bike. The bike is mightier than the bomb.
>>
>> Are you sure? I enquire as the Holy Koran has it that "one sword is
>> mightier than a thousand words" and I suspect that one automobile is
>> mightier than 10,000 bicycles.
>
>Is the automobile a bomb? I guess yes, the truck in Nice became a bomb that killed many people. SUVs are a bomb.
>
You seem to have a rather loose grip on the English language. Bombs
>
usually explode while SUV's usually don't, or at least very rarely.
>>
>> Which is, I suspect, the reason that you are so terrified, as you so
>> frequently mention, of riding a bike.
>
>> Which is, I suspect, the reason that you are so terrified, as you so
>> frequently mention, of riding a bike.
>
>I have four roads I may follow: one leads to the deep jungle (the ghetto) so nothing in it for me, the other has sharrows (bike painted on lane indicating I may take the lane) but it amounts to a suicidal mission, the other is Russian roulette, and the last one is the one I tend to follow without much conflict. Mind you, I have been close to being killed twice on the last one but somehow I can be smarter and manage the danger.
Well, as I have repeatedly told you. If you don't like it where you
are, just move. After all the continental U.S. covers something like
3,120,426.47 square miles. One would think that you could find a spot
somewhere that you like.
>I give a damn what you think. It's my own life and that of my girlfriend that I care about. The guy with the bomb (the so called terrorist) wants to die, but the cyclist wants to live. He does it so the world can live. That's why the bicycle is a better weapon.
you complaining so loudly?
As for the bicyclist riding "so the world can live"? Are you slightly
deranged? A bit ignorant? Or simply so untouched by reality that you
are living in a dream?
Or just a silly little boy?
>
>http://www.zazzle.com/mightier_then_the_bomb_t_shirt-235797547492014769?rf=238111090634717809
>
>http://www.zazzle.com/mightier_then_the_bomb_t_shirt-235797547492014769?rf=238111090634717809
Usenet is usually thought to be a non commercial network and here you
are advertising your tee shirts for sale. For $22.50.... for a shirt
that I can easily have reproduced for less than US$5.00, in lots of
100 or more.
It appears that your "save the World" operation is netting you about
$15.00 on every sale. Is this really a "save the world" exercise or
(as seems likely) a "make me rich" scheme?
--
cheers,
John B.
Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Jul 17, 2016, 10:12:16 PM7/17/16
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On Sunday, July 17, 2016 at 8:02:28 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 09:20:21 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 8:43:03 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> >> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 06:18:06 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
> >> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >I'm in the army. I'm a "peace warrior" riding my bike. The bike is mightier than the bomb.
> >>
> >> Are you sure? I enquire as the Holy Koran has it that "one sword is
> >> mightier than a thousand words" and I suspect that one automobile is
> >> mightier than 10,000 bicycles.
> >
> >Is the automobile a bomb? I guess yes, the truck in Nice became a bomb that killed many people. SUVs are a bomb.
> >
> You seem to have a rather loose grip on the English language. Bombs
> usually explode while SUV's usually don't, or at least very rarely.
An SUV doesn't need to explode to cause catastrophic damage. I read they can cause *16 times* more damage to other cars. Their higher bumpers and the sheer mass of a jungle vehicle is out of place in a city environment.
> On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 09:20:21 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 8:43:03 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> >> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 06:18:06 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
> >> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >I'm in the army. I'm a "peace warrior" riding my bike. The bike is mightier than the bomb.
> >>
> >> Are you sure? I enquire as the Holy Koran has it that "one sword is
> >> mightier than a thousand words" and I suspect that one automobile is
> >> mightier than 10,000 bicycles.
> >
> >Is the automobile a bomb? I guess yes, the truck in Nice became a bomb that killed many people. SUVs are a bomb.
> >
> You seem to have a rather loose grip on the English language. Bombs
> usually explode while SUV's usually don't, or at least very rarely.
> >>
> >> Which is, I suspect, the reason that you are so terrified, as you so
> >> frequently mention, of riding a bike.
> >
> >I have four roads I may follow: one leads to the deep jungle (the ghetto) so nothing in it for me, the other has sharrows (bike painted on lane indicating I may take the lane) but it amounts to a suicidal mission, the other is Russian roulette, and the last one is the one I tend to follow without much conflict. Mind you, I have been close to being killed twice on the last one but somehow I can be smarter and manage the danger.
>
> Well, as I have repeatedly told you. If you don't like it where you
> are, just move. After all the continental U.S. covers something like
> 3,120,426.47 square miles. One would think that you could find a spot
> somewhere that you like.
>
> >I give a damn what you think. It's my own life and that of my girlfriend that I care about. The guy with the bomb (the so called terrorist) wants to die, but the cyclist wants to live. He does it so the world can live. That's why the bicycle is a better weapon.
>
> Why should you care? But on the other hand, if you don't care why are
> you complaining so loudly?
>
> As for the bicyclist riding "so the world can live"? Are you slightly
> deranged? A bit ignorant? Or simply so untouched by reality that you
> are living in a dream?
>
> Or just a silly little boy?
>
> >
> >http://www.zazzle.com/mightier_then_the_bomb_t_shirt-235797547492014769?rf=238111090634717809
> >
> >http://www.zazzle.com/mightier_then_the_bomb_t_shirt-235797547492014769?rf=238111090634717809
>
> Usenet is usually thought to be a non commercial network and here you
> are advertising your tee shirts for sale. For $22.50.... for a shirt
> that I can easily have reproduced for less than US$5.00, in lots of
> 100 or more.
>
> It appears that your "save the World" operation is netting you about
> $15.00 on every sale. Is this really a "save the world" exercise or
> (as seems likely) a "make me rich" scheme?
Actually I have set my commission at 20%, so I don't make more than a few bucks. The company and its contractors make the lion's share of it. That's OK, they make everything. I just put my creative genius to it.
> >
> >http://www.zazzle.com/mightier_then_the_bomb_t_shirt-235797547492014769?rf=238111090634717809
> >
> >http://www.zazzle.com/mightier_then_the_bomb_t_shirt-235797547492014769?rf=238111090634717809
>
> Usenet is usually thought to be a non commercial network and here you
> are advertising your tee shirts for sale. For $22.50.... for a shirt
> that I can easily have reproduced for less than US$5.00, in lots of
> 100 or more.
>
> It appears that your "save the World" operation is netting you about
> $15.00 on every sale. Is this really a "save the world" exercise or
> (as seems likely) a "make me rich" scheme?
The hope is that as I become a successful entrepreneur I can be absorbed by the system and channel that money to a charity or another. I'd send bicycles to Africa. They need it. We have too many bicycles that see no use.
There's great hope for Africa. America less so. Too many SUVs are flashed in your face when watching some TV. What if we flashed bicycles instead of SUVs?
John B.
Jul 18, 2016, 5:31:18 AM7/18/16
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 19:12:13 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
it causes 16 times the damage that a small pocket sized car that hits
you at the same speed? Why would you care as the tiny little car will
kill you. Can you be killed 16 times more dead?
>
>> >>
>> >> Which is, I suspect, the reason that you are so terrified, as you so
>> >> frequently mention, of riding a bike.
>> >
>> >I have four roads I may follow: one leads to the deep jungle (the ghetto) so nothing in it for me, the other has sharrows (bike painted on lane indicating I may take the lane) but it amounts to a suicidal mission, the other is Russian roulette, and the last one is the one I tend to follow without much conflict. Mind you, I have been close to being killed twice on the last one but somehow I can be smarter and manage the danger.
>>
>> Well, as I have repeatedly told you. If you don't like it where you
>> are, just move. After all the continental U.S. covers something like
>> 3,120,426.47 square miles. One would think that you could find a spot
>> somewhere that you like.
>
>Some have suggested that I move to a gated community but I like to roam far and wide. Those places are hard to find, particularly in the South where the winters are mild. So much land and so little space. How have the Dutch reversed that equation? They care after people. They care about quality of life.
>
>>
>> >I give a damn what you think. It's my own life and that of my girlfriend that I care about. The guy with the bomb (the so called terrorist) wants to die, but the cyclist wants to live. He does it so the world can live. That's why the bicycle is a better weapon.
>>
>> Why should you care? But on the other hand, if you don't care why are
>> you complaining so loudly?
>>
>> As for the bicyclist riding "so the world can live"? Are you slightly
>> deranged? A bit ignorant? Or simply so untouched by reality that you
>> are living in a dream?
>>
>> Or just a silly little boy?
>
>*I am life* giving life to the planet, not destroying life in a reckless way. I may kill a pedestrian someday but that's not my choice. It's the fear of the road that makes me go on the sidewalk.
You are a life? Giving life to the planet? I assume that you are
either confusing yourself with God, or your girlfriend is pregnant.
>>
>> >
>> >http://www.zazzle.com/mightier_then_the_bomb_t_shirt-235797547492014769?rf=238111090634717809
>> >
>> >http://www.zazzle.com/mightier_then_the_bomb_t_shirt-235797547492014769?rf=238111090634717809
>>
>> Usenet is usually thought to be a non commercial network and here you
>> are advertising your tee shirts for sale. For $22.50.... for a shirt
>> that I can easily have reproduced for less than US$5.00, in lots of
>> 100 or more.
>>
>> It appears that your "save the World" operation is netting you about
>> $15.00 on every sale. Is this really a "save the world" exercise or
>> (as seems likely) a "make me rich" scheme?
>
>Actually I have set my commission at 20%, so I don't make more than a few bucks. The company and its contractors make the lion's share of it. That's OK, they make everything. I just put my creative genius to it.
>
Well, that is, of course your story, but it sounds very strange that a
group that is flogging tee shirts for 4 times what I can buy them for
isn't making a whole lot of money. If what you are telling us is the
truth than I can only offer condolences as you are certainly not wise
enough to come in out of the rain.
After all a plain white tee shirt costs less than one dollar. Sea
shipping is perhaps another dollar, inland freight, say another dollar
and the tee shirts are in hand for three dollars or less, say $2.50.
Silk Screening is cheap, maybe 5 cents a shirt. Sold for $22.00 each
it seems as though someone is making quite a lot of money.
>The hope is that as I become a successful entrepreneur I can be absorbed by the system and channel that money to a charity or another. I'd send bicycles to Africa. They need it. We have too many bicycles that see no use.
If you are making 20% on a 22.50 shirt that cost, perhaps $3.00 to
produce I doubt that you are an Entrepreneur. A fool perhaps?
>There's great hope for Africa. America less so. Too many SUVs are flashed in your face when watching some TV. What if we flashed bicycles instead of SUVs?
Are you talking about Sub-Saharan Africa where the indigenous people
turned perhaps the richest countries in Africa into the poorest? Where
the indigenous people kill each other simply because they talk
differently? Where corruption is perhaps the greatest in the world?
The greatest help you could give those people is let the Europeans
come back.
--
cheers,
John B.
Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sunday, July 17, 2016 at 8:02:28 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 09:20:21 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
>> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 8:43:03 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 06:18:06 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
>> >> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >I'm in the army. I'm a "peace warrior" riding my bike. The bike is mightier than the bomb.
>> >>
>> >> Are you sure? I enquire as the Holy Koran has it that "one sword is
>> >> mightier than a thousand words" and I suspect that one automobile is
>> >> mightier than 10,000 bicycles.
>> >
>> >Is the automobile a bomb? I guess yes, the truck in Nice became a bomb that killed many people. SUVs are a bomb.
>> >
>> You seem to have a rather loose grip on the English language. Bombs
>> usually explode while SUV's usually don't, or at least very rarely.
>
>An SUV doesn't need to explode to cause catastrophic damage. I read they can cause *16 times* more damage to other cars. Their higher bumpers and the sheer mass of a jungle vehicle is out of place in a city environment.
I see... 16 times more damage. So a SUV traveling, say 50 mph hits you
>On Sunday, July 17, 2016 at 8:02:28 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 09:20:21 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
>> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 8:43:03 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 06:18:06 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
>> >> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >I'm in the army. I'm a "peace warrior" riding my bike. The bike is mightier than the bomb.
>> >>
>> >> Are you sure? I enquire as the Holy Koran has it that "one sword is
>> >> mightier than a thousand words" and I suspect that one automobile is
>> >> mightier than 10,000 bicycles.
>> >
>> >Is the automobile a bomb? I guess yes, the truck in Nice became a bomb that killed many people. SUVs are a bomb.
>> >
>> You seem to have a rather loose grip on the English language. Bombs
>> usually explode while SUV's usually don't, or at least very rarely.
>
>An SUV doesn't need to explode to cause catastrophic damage. I read they can cause *16 times* more damage to other cars. Their higher bumpers and the sheer mass of a jungle vehicle is out of place in a city environment.
it causes 16 times the damage that a small pocket sized car that hits
you at the same speed? Why would you care as the tiny little car will
kill you. Can you be killed 16 times more dead?
>
>> >>
>> >> Which is, I suspect, the reason that you are so terrified, as you so
>> >> frequently mention, of riding a bike.
>> >
>> >I have four roads I may follow: one leads to the deep jungle (the ghetto) so nothing in it for me, the other has sharrows (bike painted on lane indicating I may take the lane) but it amounts to a suicidal mission, the other is Russian roulette, and the last one is the one I tend to follow without much conflict. Mind you, I have been close to being killed twice on the last one but somehow I can be smarter and manage the danger.
>>
>> Well, as I have repeatedly told you. If you don't like it where you
>> are, just move. After all the continental U.S. covers something like
>> 3,120,426.47 square miles. One would think that you could find a spot
>> somewhere that you like.
>
>Some have suggested that I move to a gated community but I like to roam far and wide. Those places are hard to find, particularly in the South where the winters are mild. So much land and so little space. How have the Dutch reversed that equation? They care after people. They care about quality of life.
>
>>
>> >I give a damn what you think. It's my own life and that of my girlfriend that I care about. The guy with the bomb (the so called terrorist) wants to die, but the cyclist wants to live. He does it so the world can live. That's why the bicycle is a better weapon.
>>
>> Why should you care? But on the other hand, if you don't care why are
>> you complaining so loudly?
>>
>> As for the bicyclist riding "so the world can live"? Are you slightly
>> deranged? A bit ignorant? Or simply so untouched by reality that you
>> are living in a dream?
>>
>> Or just a silly little boy?
>
>*I am life* giving life to the planet, not destroying life in a reckless way. I may kill a pedestrian someday but that's not my choice. It's the fear of the road that makes me go on the sidewalk.
either confusing yourself with God, or your girlfriend is pregnant.
>>
>> >
>> >http://www.zazzle.com/mightier_then_the_bomb_t_shirt-235797547492014769?rf=238111090634717809
>> >
>> >http://www.zazzle.com/mightier_then_the_bomb_t_shirt-235797547492014769?rf=238111090634717809
>>
>> Usenet is usually thought to be a non commercial network and here you
>> are advertising your tee shirts for sale. For $22.50.... for a shirt
>> that I can easily have reproduced for less than US$5.00, in lots of
>> 100 or more.
>>
>> It appears that your "save the World" operation is netting you about
>> $15.00 on every sale. Is this really a "save the world" exercise or
>> (as seems likely) a "make me rich" scheme?
>
>Actually I have set my commission at 20%, so I don't make more than a few bucks. The company and its contractors make the lion's share of it. That's OK, they make everything. I just put my creative genius to it.
>
group that is flogging tee shirts for 4 times what I can buy them for
isn't making a whole lot of money. If what you are telling us is the
truth than I can only offer condolences as you are certainly not wise
enough to come in out of the rain.
After all a plain white tee shirt costs less than one dollar. Sea
shipping is perhaps another dollar, inland freight, say another dollar
and the tee shirts are in hand for three dollars or less, say $2.50.
Silk Screening is cheap, maybe 5 cents a shirt. Sold for $22.00 each
it seems as though someone is making quite a lot of money.
>The hope is that as I become a successful entrepreneur I can be absorbed by the system and channel that money to a charity or another. I'd send bicycles to Africa. They need it. We have too many bicycles that see no use.
produce I doubt that you are an Entrepreneur. A fool perhaps?
>There's great hope for Africa. America less so. Too many SUVs are flashed in your face when watching some TV. What if we flashed bicycles instead of SUVs?
turned perhaps the richest countries in Africa into the poorest? Where
the indigenous people kill each other simply because they talk
differently? Where corruption is perhaps the greatest in the world?
The greatest help you could give those people is let the Europeans
come back.
--
cheers,
John B.
Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Jul 18, 2016, 8:06:30 AM7/18/16
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On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 4:12:54 AM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher,
> <news:6a6ffff7-4ccd-4d2c...@googlegroups.com>
> Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher,
>
> > True, they repress the gays. They repress the free press.
>
> Not true, actually. You may dislike and criticize
> > True, they repress the gays. They repress the free press.
>
> some laws, rules according to which they have to play.
> This is not what is called repression.
I think there's a difference between repressing something (suppress in order to conceal or hide) and political repression (use of intimidation). If you repress people for talking (as in the former USSR) is not the same as suppressing the press, which we in the West did during the Iraq war.
For example, can you go on line and criticize the government for tolerating widespread corruption? That's what I do here. As a matter of fact, I hand out pamphlets and I'm still free and alive...
Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Jul 18, 2016, 12:22:56 PM7/18/16
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On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 5:31:18 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 19:12:13 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, July 17, 2016 at 8:02:28 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> >> On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 09:20:21 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
> >> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 8:43:03 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 06:18:06 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
> >> >> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >I'm in the army. I'm a "peace warrior" riding my bike. The bike is mightier than the bomb.
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you sure? I enquire as the Holy Koran has it that "one sword is
> >> >> mightier than a thousand words" and I suspect that one automobile is
> >> >> mightier than 10,000 bicycles.
> >> >
> >> >Is the automobile a bomb? I guess yes, the truck in Nice became a bomb that killed many people. SUVs are a bomb.
> >> >
> >> You seem to have a rather loose grip on the English language. Bombs
> >> usually explode while SUV's usually don't, or at least very rarely.
> >
> >An SUV doesn't need to explode to cause catastrophic damage. I read they can cause *16 times* more damage to other cars. Their higher bumpers and the sheer mass of a jungle vehicle is out of place in a city environment.
>
> I see... 16 times more damage. So a SUV traveling, say 50 mph hits you
> it causes 16 times the damage that a small pocket sized car that hits
> you at the same speed? Why would you care as the tiny little car will
> kill you. Can you be killed 16 times more dead?
I think you are playing dumb. If a Mini hits another Mini head on, the drivers would have equal chance of survival, right? If a Hummer hits a Mini, the damage to the Mini would be catastrophic and the driver would be dead fish.
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 19:12:13 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, July 17, 2016 at 8:02:28 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> >> On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 09:20:21 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
> >> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 8:43:03 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 06:18:06 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
> >> >> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >I'm in the army. I'm a "peace warrior" riding my bike. The bike is mightier than the bomb.
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you sure? I enquire as the Holy Koran has it that "one sword is
> >> >> mightier than a thousand words" and I suspect that one automobile is
> >> >> mightier than 10,000 bicycles.
> >> >
> >> >Is the automobile a bomb? I guess yes, the truck in Nice became a bomb that killed many people. SUVs are a bomb.
> >> >
> >> You seem to have a rather loose grip on the English language. Bombs
> >> usually explode while SUV's usually don't, or at least very rarely.
> >
> >An SUV doesn't need to explode to cause catastrophic damage. I read they can cause *16 times* more damage to other cars. Their higher bumpers and the sheer mass of a jungle vehicle is out of place in a city environment.
>
> I see... 16 times more damage. So a SUV traveling, say 50 mph hits you
> it causes 16 times the damage that a small pocket sized car that hits
> you at the same speed? Why would you care as the tiny little car will
> kill you. Can you be killed 16 times more dead?
The Hummer would wipe out a family going in a mundane car, ergo the arms race is on. 😐
>
>
> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Which is, I suspect, the reason that you are so terrified, as you so
> >> >> frequently mention, of riding a bike.
> >> >
> >> >I have four roads I may follow: one leads to the deep jungle (the ghetto) so nothing in it for me, the other has sharrows (bike painted on lane indicating I may take the lane) but it amounts to a suicidal mission, the other is Russian roulette, and the last one is the one I tend to follow without much conflict. Mind you, I have been close to being killed twice on the last one but somehow I can be smarter and manage the danger.
> >>
> >> Well, as I have repeatedly told you. If you don't like it where you
> >> are, just move. After all the continental U.S. covers something like
> >> 3,120,426.47 square miles. One would think that you could find a spot
> >> somewhere that you like.
> >
> >Some have suggested that I move to a gated community but I like to roam far and wide. Those places are hard to find, particularly in the South where the winters are mild. So much land and so little space. How have the Dutch reversed that equation? They care after people. They care about quality of life.
> >
> >>
> >> >I give a damn what you think. It's my own life and that of my girlfriend that I care about. The guy with the bomb (the so called terrorist) wants to die, but the cyclist wants to live. He does it so the world can live. That's why the bicycle is a better weapon.
> >>
> >> Why should you care? But on the other hand, if you don't care why are
> >> you complaining so loudly?
> >>
> >> As for the bicyclist riding "so the world can live"? Are you slightly
> >> deranged? A bit ignorant? Or simply so untouched by reality that you
> >> are living in a dream?
> >>
> >> Or just a silly little boy?
> >
> >*I am life* giving life to the planet, not destroying life in a reckless way. I may kill a pedestrian someday but that's not my choice. It's the fear of the road that makes me go on the sidewalk.
>
> You are a life? Giving life to the planet? I assume that you are
> either confusing yourself with God, or your girlfriend is pregnant.
Affluent communities are devoid of life. Not a soul out there. I give it life with my supreme self and bicycle.
>
> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Which is, I suspect, the reason that you are so terrified, as you so
> >> >> frequently mention, of riding a bike.
> >> >
> >> >I have four roads I may follow: one leads to the deep jungle (the ghetto) so nothing in it for me, the other has sharrows (bike painted on lane indicating I may take the lane) but it amounts to a suicidal mission, the other is Russian roulette, and the last one is the one I tend to follow without much conflict. Mind you, I have been close to being killed twice on the last one but somehow I can be smarter and manage the danger.
> >>
> >> Well, as I have repeatedly told you. If you don't like it where you
> >> are, just move. After all the continental U.S. covers something like
> >> 3,120,426.47 square miles. One would think that you could find a spot
> >> somewhere that you like.
> >
> >Some have suggested that I move to a gated community but I like to roam far and wide. Those places are hard to find, particularly in the South where the winters are mild. So much land and so little space. How have the Dutch reversed that equation? They care after people. They care about quality of life.
> >
> >>
> >> >I give a damn what you think. It's my own life and that of my girlfriend that I care about. The guy with the bomb (the so called terrorist) wants to die, but the cyclist wants to live. He does it so the world can live. That's why the bicycle is a better weapon.
> >>
> >> Why should you care? But on the other hand, if you don't care why are
> >> you complaining so loudly?
> >>
> >> As for the bicyclist riding "so the world can live"? Are you slightly
> >> deranged? A bit ignorant? Or simply so untouched by reality that you
> >> are living in a dream?
> >>
> >> Or just a silly little boy?
> >
> >*I am life* giving life to the planet, not destroying life in a reckless way. I may kill a pedestrian someday but that's not my choice. It's the fear of the road that makes me go on the sidewalk.
>
> You are a life? Giving life to the planet? I assume that you are
> either confusing yourself with God, or your girlfriend is pregnant.
>
>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >http://www.zazzle.com/mightier_then_the_bomb_t_shirt-235797547492014769?rf=238111090634717809
> >> >
> >> >http://www.zazzle.com/mightier_then_the_bomb_t_shirt-235797547492014769?rf=238111090634717809
> >>
> >> Usenet is usually thought to be a non commercial network and here you
> >> are advertising your tee shirts for sale. For $22.50.... for a shirt
> >> that I can easily have reproduced for less than US$5.00, in lots of
> >> 100 or more.
> >>
> >> It appears that your "save the World" operation is netting you about
> >> $15.00 on every sale. Is this really a "save the world" exercise or
> >> (as seems likely) a "make me rich" scheme?
> >
> >Actually I have set my commission at 20%, so I don't make more than a few bucks. The company and its contractors make the lion's share of it. That's OK, they make everything. I just put my creative genius to it.
> >
>
> Well, that is, of course your story, but it sounds very strange that a
> group that is flogging tee shirts for 4 times what I can buy them for
> isn't making a whole lot of money. If what you are telling us is the
> truth than I can only offer condolences as you are certainly not wise
> enough to come in out of the rain.
>
> After all a plain white tee shirt costs less than one dollar. Sea
> shipping is perhaps another dollar, inland freight, say another dollar
> and the tee shirts are in hand for three dollars or less, say $2.50.
> Silk Screening is cheap, maybe 5 cents a shirt. Sold for $22.00 each
> it seems as though someone is making quite a lot of money.
No way I can have that stock of products. I'd need "hated investors" to do everything in different sizes and customization. They customize the product for you. How much do you pay for a stupid Polo shirt? That logo has been getting bigger and bigger like an SUV. I've gotten my own t-shirts on sale for 10 bucks. And you really stand out in a good way. 👍
>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >http://www.zazzle.com/mightier_then_the_bomb_t_shirt-235797547492014769?rf=238111090634717809
> >> >
> >> >http://www.zazzle.com/mightier_then_the_bomb_t_shirt-235797547492014769?rf=238111090634717809
> >>
> >> Usenet is usually thought to be a non commercial network and here you
> >> are advertising your tee shirts for sale. For $22.50.... for a shirt
> >> that I can easily have reproduced for less than US$5.00, in lots of
> >> 100 or more.
> >>
> >> It appears that your "save the World" operation is netting you about
> >> $15.00 on every sale. Is this really a "save the world" exercise or
> >> (as seems likely) a "make me rich" scheme?
> >
> >Actually I have set my commission at 20%, so I don't make more than a few bucks. The company and its contractors make the lion's share of it. That's OK, they make everything. I just put my creative genius to it.
> >
>
> Well, that is, of course your story, but it sounds very strange that a
> group that is flogging tee shirts for 4 times what I can buy them for
> isn't making a whole lot of money. If what you are telling us is the
> truth than I can only offer condolences as you are certainly not wise
> enough to come in out of the rain.
>
> After all a plain white tee shirt costs less than one dollar. Sea
> shipping is perhaps another dollar, inland freight, say another dollar
> and the tee shirts are in hand for three dollars or less, say $2.50.
> Silk Screening is cheap, maybe 5 cents a shirt. Sold for $22.00 each
> it seems as though someone is making quite a lot of money.
>
>
> >The hope is that as I become a successful entrepreneur I can be absorbed by the system and channel that money to a charity or another. I'd send bicycles to Africa. They need it. We have too many bicycles that see no use.
>
> If you are making 20% on a 22.50 shirt that cost, perhaps $3.00 to
> produce I doubt that you are an Entrepreneur. A fool perhaps?
I sell other t-shirts for 5 bucks, one size, take it or leave it.
>
> >The hope is that as I become a successful entrepreneur I can be absorbed by the system and channel that money to a charity or another. I'd send bicycles to Africa. They need it. We have too many bicycles that see no use.
>
> If you are making 20% on a 22.50 shirt that cost, perhaps $3.00 to
> produce I doubt that you are an Entrepreneur. A fool perhaps?
>
> >There's great hope for Africa. America less so. Too many SUVs are flashed in your face when watching some TV. What if we flashed bicycles instead of SUVs?
>
>
> Are you talking about Sub-Saharan Africa where the indigenous people
> turned perhaps the richest countries in Africa into the poorest? Where
> the indigenous people kill each other simply because they talk
> differently? Where corruption is perhaps the greatest in the world?
>
> The greatest help you could give those people is let the Europeans
> come back.
The Europeans and Americans still control the game but avoid the responsibility. It's called NEOCOLONIALISM. 👎
> >There's great hope for Africa. America less so. Too many SUVs are flashed in your face when watching some TV. What if we flashed bicycles instead of SUVs?
>
>
> Are you talking about Sub-Saharan Africa where the indigenous people
> turned perhaps the richest countries in Africa into the poorest? Where
> the indigenous people kill each other simply because they talk
> differently? Where corruption is perhaps the greatest in the world?
>
> The greatest help you could give those people is let the Europeans
> come back.
Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Jul 18, 2016, 1:02:40 PM7/18/16
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On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 10:31:21 AM UTC-4, john simmons wrote:
> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 7:08:14 AM UTC-5, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher wrote:
Here they have been trying to get the monkey to censor himself for "health reasons."
You may be free but not alive! 👊
> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 7:08:14 AM UTC-5, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher wrote:
> > On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 4:12:54 AM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> > > Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher,
> > > Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher,
> > > <news:6a6ffff7-4ccd-4d2c...@googlegroups.com>
> > >
> > > > True, they repress the gays. They repress the free press.
> > >
> > > Not true, actually. You may dislike and criticize
> > > some laws, rules according to which they have to play.
> > > This is not what is called repression.
> >
> > I think there's a difference between repressing something (suppress in order to conceal or hide) and political repression (use of intimidation). If you repress people for talking (as in the former USSR) is not the same as suppressing the press, which we in the West did during the Iraq war.
> >
> > For example, can you go on line and criticize the government for tolerating widespread corruption? That's what I do here. As a matter of fact, I hand out pamphlets and I'm still free and alive...
>
> slower er down a bit monkey...stalin said they had freedom of speech in russia ...and that is true...they dont repress speech...but freedom is not guaranteed after speech...lets keep the record real straight as you go along here...jz
> > >
> > > > True, they repress the gays. They repress the free press.
> > >
> > > Not true, actually. You may dislike and criticize
> > > some laws, rules according to which they have to play.
> > > This is not what is called repression.
> >
> > I think there's a difference between repressing something (suppress in order to conceal or hide) and political repression (use of intimidation). If you repress people for talking (as in the former USSR) is not the same as suppressing the press, which we in the West did during the Iraq war.
> >
> > For example, can you go on line and criticize the government for tolerating widespread corruption? That's what I do here. As a matter of fact, I hand out pamphlets and I'm still free and alive...
>
Here they have been trying to get the monkey to censor himself for "health reasons."
You may be free but not alive! 👊
John B.
Jul 18, 2016, 8:50:14 PM7/18/16
to
about things that you don't like.
You posted a photo of a "home" of some sort saying it took too long to
build. When I asked for details and background you have nothing to
say.
You posted a photo of a piece of land with long grass, maybe 1 x 2
meters in size and complained that it hadn't been mowed. When I asked
for details you had none.
In short, you quite literally, "don't know what you are talking
about".
You aren't a philosopher as you claim you are just a small child
whining and crying about things you know nothing about.
--
cheers,
John B.
John B.
Jul 18, 2016, 10:17:21 PM7/18/16
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:22:54 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
What you write isn't correct at all. In fact even Mythbusters did a
show about that, which demonstrated that physics is correct not
popular assumptions, like your's.
<more snipped >
>> >*I am life* giving life to the planet, not destroying life in a reckless way. I may kill a pedestrian someday but that's not my choice. It's the fear of the road that makes me go on the sidewalk.
>>
>> You are a life? Giving life to the planet? I assume that you are
>> either confusing yourself with God, or your girlfriend is pregnant.
>
>Affluent communities are devoid of life. Not a soul out there. I give it life with my supreme self and bicycle.
If, as you say, "Affluent communities are devoid of life" then why do
these communities exist. and if you "giver it life" as you say than
obviously you have a "God Complex"
A god complex is an unshakable belief characterized by consistently
inflated feelings of personal ability, privilege, or infallibility.
A person with a god complex may refuse to admit the possibility of
their error or failure, even in the face of irrefutable evidence,
intractable problems or difficult or impossible tasks. The person is
also highly dogmatic in their views, meaning the person speaks of
their personal opinions as though they are unquestionably correct.
Someone with a god complex may exhibit no regard for the conventions
and demands of society, and may request special consideration or
privileges
Note that this condition was first described term god-complex was
Ernest Jones (1913-51). His description, at least in the contents page
of Essays in Applied Psycho-Analysis, describes the god complex as
belief that one is a god.
In short, you are not a philosopher.... you are just a common,
ordinary, everyday, nitwit.
>>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >http://www.zazzle.com/mightier_then_the_bomb_t_shirt-235797547492014769?rf=238111090634717809
>> >> >
>> >> >http://www.zazzle.com/mightier_then_the_bomb_t_shirt-235797547492014769?rf=238111090634717809
>> >>
>> >> Usenet is usually thought to be a non commercial network and here you
>> >> are advertising your tee shirts for sale. For $22.50.... for a shirt
>> >> that I can easily have reproduced for less than US$5.00, in lots of
>> >> 100 or more.
>> >>
>> >> It appears that your "save the World" operation is netting you about
>> >> $15.00 on every sale. Is this really a "save the world" exercise or
>> >> (as seems likely) a "make me rich" scheme?
>> >
>> >Actually I have set my commission at 20%, so I don't make more than a few bucks. The company and its contractors make the lion's share of it. That's OK, they make everything. I just put my creative genius to it.
>> >
>>
>> Well, that is, of course your story, but it sounds very strange that a
>> group that is flogging tee shirts for 4 times what I can buy them for
>> isn't making a whole lot of money. If what you are telling us is the
>> truth than I can only offer condolences as you are certainly not wise
>> enough to come in out of the rain.
>>
>> After all a plain white tee shirt costs less than one dollar. Sea
>> shipping is perhaps another dollar, inland freight, say another dollar
>> and the tee shirts are in hand for three dollars or less, say $2.50.
>> Silk Screening is cheap, maybe 5 cents a shirt. Sold for $22.00 each
>> it seems as though someone is making quite a lot of money.
>
>No way I can have that stock of products. I'd need "hated investors" to do everything in different sizes and customization. They customize the product for you. How much do you pay for a stupid Polo shirt? That logo has been getting bigger and bigger like an SUV. I've gotten my own t-shirts on sale for 10 bucks. And you really stand out in a good way. ?
Investors? For a hundred dollars worth of tee shirts? You are really
just a penny-ante person aren't you.
As for what I pay for a "polo shirt"? Well a polo shirt is a short
sleeved, pull-over shirt with a collar, quite different than the cheep
"tee shirts" that you show in your references. Well I pay US$ 5.667 in
a popular chain-store here. And that is with a pocket.
>>
>>
>> >The hope is that as I become a successful entrepreneur I can be absorbed by the system and channel that money to a charity or another. I'd send bicycles to Africa. They need it. We have too many bicycles that see no use.
>>
>> If you are making 20% on a 22.50 shirt that cost, perhaps $3.00 to
>> produce I doubt that you are an Entrepreneur. A fool perhaps?
>
>I sell other t-shirts for 5 bucks, one size, take it or leave it.
>>
>> >There's great hope for Africa. America less so. Too many SUVs are flashed in your face when watching some TV. What if we flashed bicycles instead of SUVs?
>>
>>
>> Are you talking about Sub-Saharan Africa where the indigenous people
>> turned perhaps the richest countries in Africa into the poorest? Where
>> the indigenous people kill each other simply because they talk
>> differently? Where corruption is perhaps the greatest in the world?
>>
>> The greatest help you could give those people is let the Europeans
>> come back.
>
>The Europeans and Americans still control the game but avoid the responsibility. It's called NEOCOLONIALISM. ?
And how do they do that? In Zimbabwe the Locals kicked out the
Europeans and gave the land to the local population with the results
that they now have 95% unemployment. In 1998 gold production was
27,114 Kg of gold while in 2007 it was 7,017.
At independence the Zimbabwe currency was US$1.00 = Z$0.657.
Zimbabwe's GDP grew on average by about 4.5% between 1980 and 1990.
Between 2000 and December 2007, the national economy contracted by as
much as 40%; inflation vaulted to over 66,000%, and there were
persistent shortages of hard currency, fuel, medicine, and food. GDP
per capita dropped by 40%, agricultural output dropped by 51% and
industrial production dropped by 47%. The currency was devalued by the
central bank twice, first to 9,000 to the US$, and then to 17,500 to
the US$ on 20 July 2005. In 2009 the Zimbabwe currency was suspended
and U.S. $ were used.
Disregarding agriculture Zimbabwe has natural resources, Gold, Nickel,
Coal, Asbestos, Copper, Chromium, silver, iron and Diamonds. All
readily saleable on the International market.
In short, under local government the country is a disaster. They have
fostered dissension between the two largest segments of the
population, they have turned Rhodesia, a very wealthy African country,
into Zimbabwe, perhaps the poorest country in sub-Saharan Africa.
Now, please tell us, in sufficient detail to demonstrate your own
knowledge, exactly how this is anyone's fault except their own.
(I suspect that you will rapidly change the subject)
--
cheers,
John B.
Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 5:31:18 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 19:12:13 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
>> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >An SUV doesn't need to explode to cause catastrophic damage. I read they can cause *16 times* more damage to other cars. Their higher bumpers and the sheer mass of a jungle vehicle is out of place in a city environment.
>>
>> I see... 16 times more damage. So a SUV traveling, say 50 mph hits you
>> it causes 16 times the damage that a small pocket sized car that hits
>> you at the same speed? Why would you care as the tiny little car will
>> kill you. Can you be killed 16 times more dead?
>
>I think you are playing dumb. If a Mini hits another Mini head on, the drivers would have equal chance of survival, right? If a Hummer hits a Mini, the damage to the Mini would be catastrophic and the driver would be dead fish.
You really should have paid attention when you were going to school.
>On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 5:31:18 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 19:12:13 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
>> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >An SUV doesn't need to explode to cause catastrophic damage. I read they can cause *16 times* more damage to other cars. Their higher bumpers and the sheer mass of a jungle vehicle is out of place in a city environment.
>>
>> I see... 16 times more damage. So a SUV traveling, say 50 mph hits you
>> it causes 16 times the damage that a small pocket sized car that hits
>> you at the same speed? Why would you care as the tiny little car will
>> kill you. Can you be killed 16 times more dead?
>
>I think you are playing dumb. If a Mini hits another Mini head on, the drivers would have equal chance of survival, right? If a Hummer hits a Mini, the damage to the Mini would be catastrophic and the driver would be dead fish.
What you write isn't correct at all. In fact even Mythbusters did a
show about that, which demonstrated that physics is correct not
popular assumptions, like your's.
<more snipped >
>> >*I am life* giving life to the planet, not destroying life in a reckless way. I may kill a pedestrian someday but that's not my choice. It's the fear of the road that makes me go on the sidewalk.
>>
>> You are a life? Giving life to the planet? I assume that you are
>> either confusing yourself with God, or your girlfriend is pregnant.
>
>Affluent communities are devoid of life. Not a soul out there. I give it life with my supreme self and bicycle.
these communities exist. and if you "giver it life" as you say than
obviously you have a "God Complex"
A god complex is an unshakable belief characterized by consistently
inflated feelings of personal ability, privilege, or infallibility.
A person with a god complex may refuse to admit the possibility of
their error or failure, even in the face of irrefutable evidence,
intractable problems or difficult or impossible tasks. The person is
also highly dogmatic in their views, meaning the person speaks of
their personal opinions as though they are unquestionably correct.
Someone with a god complex may exhibit no regard for the conventions
and demands of society, and may request special consideration or
privileges
Note that this condition was first described term god-complex was
Ernest Jones (1913-51). His description, at least in the contents page
of Essays in Applied Psycho-Analysis, describes the god complex as
belief that one is a god.
In short, you are not a philosopher.... you are just a common,
ordinary, everyday, nitwit.
>>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >http://www.zazzle.com/mightier_then_the_bomb_t_shirt-235797547492014769?rf=238111090634717809
>> >> >
>> >> >http://www.zazzle.com/mightier_then_the_bomb_t_shirt-235797547492014769?rf=238111090634717809
>> >>
>> >> Usenet is usually thought to be a non commercial network and here you
>> >> are advertising your tee shirts for sale. For $22.50.... for a shirt
>> >> that I can easily have reproduced for less than US$5.00, in lots of
>> >> 100 or more.
>> >>
>> >> It appears that your "save the World" operation is netting you about
>> >> $15.00 on every sale. Is this really a "save the world" exercise or
>> >> (as seems likely) a "make me rich" scheme?
>> >
>> >Actually I have set my commission at 20%, so I don't make more than a few bucks. The company and its contractors make the lion's share of it. That's OK, they make everything. I just put my creative genius to it.
>> >
>>
>> Well, that is, of course your story, but it sounds very strange that a
>> group that is flogging tee shirts for 4 times what I can buy them for
>> isn't making a whole lot of money. If what you are telling us is the
>> truth than I can only offer condolences as you are certainly not wise
>> enough to come in out of the rain.
>>
>> After all a plain white tee shirt costs less than one dollar. Sea
>> shipping is perhaps another dollar, inland freight, say another dollar
>> and the tee shirts are in hand for three dollars or less, say $2.50.
>> Silk Screening is cheap, maybe 5 cents a shirt. Sold for $22.00 each
>> it seems as though someone is making quite a lot of money.
>
Investors? For a hundred dollars worth of tee shirts? You are really
just a penny-ante person aren't you.
As for what I pay for a "polo shirt"? Well a polo shirt is a short
sleeved, pull-over shirt with a collar, quite different than the cheep
"tee shirts" that you show in your references. Well I pay US$ 5.667 in
a popular chain-store here. And that is with a pocket.
>>
>>
>> >The hope is that as I become a successful entrepreneur I can be absorbed by the system and channel that money to a charity or another. I'd send bicycles to Africa. They need it. We have too many bicycles that see no use.
>>
>> If you are making 20% on a 22.50 shirt that cost, perhaps $3.00 to
>> produce I doubt that you are an Entrepreneur. A fool perhaps?
>
>I sell other t-shirts for 5 bucks, one size, take it or leave it.
>>
>> >There's great hope for Africa. America less so. Too many SUVs are flashed in your face when watching some TV. What if we flashed bicycles instead of SUVs?
>>
>>
>> Are you talking about Sub-Saharan Africa where the indigenous people
>> turned perhaps the richest countries in Africa into the poorest? Where
>> the indigenous people kill each other simply because they talk
>> differently? Where corruption is perhaps the greatest in the world?
>>
>> The greatest help you could give those people is let the Europeans
>> come back.
>
And how do they do that? In Zimbabwe the Locals kicked out the
Europeans and gave the land to the local population with the results
that they now have 95% unemployment. In 1998 gold production was
27,114 Kg of gold while in 2007 it was 7,017.
At independence the Zimbabwe currency was US$1.00 = Z$0.657.
Zimbabwe's GDP grew on average by about 4.5% between 1980 and 1990.
Between 2000 and December 2007, the national economy contracted by as
much as 40%; inflation vaulted to over 66,000%, and there were
persistent shortages of hard currency, fuel, medicine, and food. GDP
per capita dropped by 40%, agricultural output dropped by 51% and
industrial production dropped by 47%. The currency was devalued by the
central bank twice, first to 9,000 to the US$, and then to 17,500 to
the US$ on 20 July 2005. In 2009 the Zimbabwe currency was suspended
and U.S. $ were used.
Disregarding agriculture Zimbabwe has natural resources, Gold, Nickel,
Coal, Asbestos, Copper, Chromium, silver, iron and Diamonds. All
readily saleable on the International market.
In short, under local government the country is a disaster. They have
fostered dissension between the two largest segments of the
population, they have turned Rhodesia, a very wealthy African country,
into Zimbabwe, perhaps the poorest country in sub-Saharan Africa.
Now, please tell us, in sufficient detail to demonstrate your own
knowledge, exactly how this is anyone's fault except their own.
(I suspect that you will rapidly change the subject)
--
cheers,
John B.
Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Jul 19, 2016, 10:27:09 AM7/19/16
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On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 10:17:21 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:22:54 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 5:31:18 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> >> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 19:12:13 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
> >> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
>
> >> >An SUV doesn't need to explode to cause catastrophic damage. I read they can cause *16 times* more damage to other cars. Their higher bumpers and the sheer mass of a jungle vehicle is out of place in a city environment.
> >>
> >> I see... 16 times more damage. So a SUV traveling, say 50 mph hits you
> >> it causes 16 times the damage that a small pocket sized car that hits
> >> you at the same speed? Why would you care as the tiny little car will
> >> kill you. Can you be killed 16 times more dead?
> >
> >I think you are playing dumb. If a Mini hits another Mini head on, the drivers would have equal chance of survival, right? If a Hummer hits a Mini, the damage to the Mini would be catastrophic and the driver would be dead fish.
>
> You really should have paid attention when you were going to school.
> What you write isn't correct at all. In fact even Mythbusters did a
> show about that, which demonstrated that physics is correct not
> popular assumptions, like your's.
Really? Tell me when they smashed any mini car against the mighty Hummer to prove the Hummer is NOT a public safety danger.
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:22:54 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 5:31:18 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> >> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 19:12:13 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
> >> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
>
> >> >An SUV doesn't need to explode to cause catastrophic damage. I read they can cause *16 times* more damage to other cars. Their higher bumpers and the sheer mass of a jungle vehicle is out of place in a city environment.
> >>
> >> I see... 16 times more damage. So a SUV traveling, say 50 mph hits you
> >> it causes 16 times the damage that a small pocket sized car that hits
> >> you at the same speed? Why would you care as the tiny little car will
> >> kill you. Can you be killed 16 times more dead?
> >
> >I think you are playing dumb. If a Mini hits another Mini head on, the drivers would have equal chance of survival, right? If a Hummer hits a Mini, the damage to the Mini would be catastrophic and the driver would be dead fish.
>
> You really should have paid attention when you were going to school.
> What you write isn't correct at all. In fact even Mythbusters did a
> show about that, which demonstrated that physics is correct not
> popular assumptions, like your's.
The SUV advertisers would have pulled the plug on the program and they would have to rely on public charity.
Here "Hummer guy" says the problem is the mini car, not the Hummer itself. Pathetic, ain't it?
http://www.hummerguy.net/hummer-news/breaking-news-physics-prove-hummers-safer-than-smart-car
The SUV is physical evidence that it's a jungle out there. Actually the more carnage, the more the vultures eat. "Predatory Capitalism," so to speak.
>
>
> <more snipped >
>
> >> >*I am life* giving life to the planet, not destroying life in a reckless way. I may kill a pedestrian someday but that's not my choice. It's the fear of the road that makes me go on the sidewalk.
> >>
> >> You are a life? Giving life to the planet? I assume that you are
> >> either confusing yourself with God, or your girlfriend is pregnant.
> >
> >Affluent communities are devoid of life. Not a soul out there. I give it life with my supreme self and bicycle.
>
> If, as you say, "Affluent communities are devoid of life" then why do
> these communities exist. and if you "giver it life" as you say than
> obviously you have a "God Complex"
I'm not exaggerating. I'm God in those affluent communities. Nobody else is out there. If I were in Holland, riding among thousands of other cyclists, I'd feel like a social monkey having fun. Mind you, it feels good "having all the world to myself."
>
> <more snipped >
>
> >> >*I am life* giving life to the planet, not destroying life in a reckless way. I may kill a pedestrian someday but that's not my choice. It's the fear of the road that makes me go on the sidewalk.
> >>
> >> You are a life? Giving life to the planet? I assume that you are
> >> either confusing yourself with God, or your girlfriend is pregnant.
> >
> >Affluent communities are devoid of life. Not a soul out there. I give it life with my supreme self and bicycle.
>
> If, as you say, "Affluent communities are devoid of life" then why do
> these communities exist. and if you "giver it life" as you say than
> obviously you have a "God Complex"
(to be continued or not)
John B.
Jul 19, 2016, 9:37:46 PM7/19/16
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On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 07:27:07 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
researched the question before making a statement, but as you
apparently did neither I will assume that I am talking to a fool.
A hummer isn't a public safety danger. You can park a Hummer out front
of the house for years and years and years and it wont harm a fly. So
ipso facto it is not a dangerous device.
So, in effect, all your panting and raving and weeping crocodile tears
is simply a matter of your own ignorance. Which, it might be consider
is possible due to genetics, in which case you can blame your mother,
or your father (if you know who he is), or alternative to your lack of
knowledge, which as schools in the U.S. are free up to the 12th grade
is ultimately your own fault.
In short, not a philosopher but a fool.
>The SUV advertisers would have pulled the plug on the program and they would have to rely on public charity.
>
>Here "Hummer guy" says the problem is the mini car, not the Hummer itself. Pathetic, ain't it?
>
>http://www.hummerguy.net/hummer-news/breaking-news-physics-prove-hummers-safer-than-smart-car
>
>The SUV is physical evidence that it's a jungle out there. Actually the more carnage, the more the vultures eat. "Predatory Capitalism," so to speak.
>>
>>
>> <more snipped >
>>
>> >> >*I am life* giving life to the planet, not destroying life in a reckless way. I may kill a pedestrian someday but that's not my choice. It's the fear of the road that makes me go on the sidewalk.
>> >>
>> >> You are a life? Giving life to the planet? I assume that you are
>> >> either confusing yourself with God, or your girlfriend is pregnant.
>> >
>> >Affluent communities are devoid of life. Not a soul out there. I give it life with my supreme self and bicycle.
>>
>> If, as you say, "Affluent communities are devoid of life" then why do
>> these communities exist. and if you "giver it life" as you say than
>> obviously you have a "God Complex"
>
>I'm not exaggerating. I'm God in those affluent communities. Nobody else is out there. If I were in Holland, riding among thousands of other cyclists, I'd feel like a social monkey having fun. Mind you, it feels good "having all the world to myself."
>
>(to be continued or not)
Perhaps not, as while it is edifying to discover just how foolish an
apparent product of the Usian school system actually is. One can
understand Trump's appeal to the voters, i.e., simple solutions that
can be understood by simple people, with no regard for reality,
Ultimately it gets boring. Sort of like talking to a pet gerbil. The
gerbil undoubtedly hears but it never makes an intelligent rely.
--
cheers,
John B.
Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 10:17:21 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:22:54 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
>> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 5:31:18 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 19:12:13 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
>> >> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>>
>> >> >An SUV doesn't need to explode to cause catastrophic damage. I read they can cause *16 times* more damage to other cars. Their higher bumpers and the sheer mass of a jungle vehicle is out of place in a city environment.
>> >>
>> >> I see... 16 times more damage. So a SUV traveling, say 50 mph hits you
>> >> it causes 16 times the damage that a small pocket sized car that hits
>> >> you at the same speed? Why would you care as the tiny little car will
>> >> kill you. Can you be killed 16 times more dead?
>> >
>> >I think you are playing dumb. If a Mini hits another Mini head on, the drivers would have equal chance of survival, right? If a Hummer hits a Mini, the damage to the Mini would be catastrophic and the driver would be dead fish.
>>
>> You really should have paid attention when you were going to school.
>> What you write isn't correct at all. In fact even Mythbusters did a
>> show about that, which demonstrated that physics is correct not
>> popular assumptions, like your's.
>
>Really? Tell me when they smashed any mini car against the mighty Hummer to prove the Hummer is NOT a public safety danger.
Well actually one would expect a person of normal intelligence to have
>On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 10:17:21 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:22:54 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
>> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 5:31:18 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 19:12:13 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
>> >> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>>
>> >> >An SUV doesn't need to explode to cause catastrophic damage. I read they can cause *16 times* more damage to other cars. Their higher bumpers and the sheer mass of a jungle vehicle is out of place in a city environment.
>> >>
>> >> I see... 16 times more damage. So a SUV traveling, say 50 mph hits you
>> >> it causes 16 times the damage that a small pocket sized car that hits
>> >> you at the same speed? Why would you care as the tiny little car will
>> >> kill you. Can you be killed 16 times more dead?
>> >
>> >I think you are playing dumb. If a Mini hits another Mini head on, the drivers would have equal chance of survival, right? If a Hummer hits a Mini, the damage to the Mini would be catastrophic and the driver would be dead fish.
>>
>> You really should have paid attention when you were going to school.
>> What you write isn't correct at all. In fact even Mythbusters did a
>> show about that, which demonstrated that physics is correct not
>> popular assumptions, like your's.
>
>Really? Tell me when they smashed any mini car against the mighty Hummer to prove the Hummer is NOT a public safety danger.
researched the question before making a statement, but as you
apparently did neither I will assume that I am talking to a fool.
A hummer isn't a public safety danger. You can park a Hummer out front
of the house for years and years and years and it wont harm a fly. So
ipso facto it is not a dangerous device.
So, in effect, all your panting and raving and weeping crocodile tears
is simply a matter of your own ignorance. Which, it might be consider
is possible due to genetics, in which case you can blame your mother,
or your father (if you know who he is), or alternative to your lack of
knowledge, which as schools in the U.S. are free up to the 12th grade
is ultimately your own fault.
In short, not a philosopher but a fool.
>The SUV advertisers would have pulled the plug on the program and they would have to rely on public charity.
>
>Here "Hummer guy" says the problem is the mini car, not the Hummer itself. Pathetic, ain't it?
>
>http://www.hummerguy.net/hummer-news/breaking-news-physics-prove-hummers-safer-than-smart-car
>
>The SUV is physical evidence that it's a jungle out there. Actually the more carnage, the more the vultures eat. "Predatory Capitalism," so to speak.
>>
>>
>> <more snipped >
>>
>> >> >*I am life* giving life to the planet, not destroying life in a reckless way. I may kill a pedestrian someday but that's not my choice. It's the fear of the road that makes me go on the sidewalk.
>> >>
>> >> You are a life? Giving life to the planet? I assume that you are
>> >> either confusing yourself with God, or your girlfriend is pregnant.
>> >
>> >Affluent communities are devoid of life. Not a soul out there. I give it life with my supreme self and bicycle.
>>
>> If, as you say, "Affluent communities are devoid of life" then why do
>> these communities exist. and if you "giver it life" as you say than
>> obviously you have a "God Complex"
>
>I'm not exaggerating. I'm God in those affluent communities. Nobody else is out there. If I were in Holland, riding among thousands of other cyclists, I'd feel like a social monkey having fun. Mind you, it feels good "having all the world to myself."
>
>(to be continued or not)
apparent product of the Usian school system actually is. One can
understand Trump's appeal to the voters, i.e., simple solutions that
can be understood by simple people, with no regard for reality,
Ultimately it gets boring. Sort of like talking to a pet gerbil. The
gerbil undoubtedly hears but it never makes an intelligent rely.
--
cheers,
John B.
W. Wesley Groleau
Jul 19, 2016, 9:44:50 PM7/19/16
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On 07-19-2016 20:37, John B. wrote:
> Ultimately it gets boring. Sort of like talking to a pet gerbil. The
> gerbil undoubtedly hears but it never makes an intelligent rely.
So why do you keep responding to it?
> Ultimately it gets boring. Sort of like talking to a pet gerbil. The
> gerbil undoubtedly hears but it never makes an intelligent rely.
--
Wes Groleau
Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Jul 19, 2016, 10:35:22 PM7/19/16
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On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 9:37:46 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 07:27:07 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Really? Tell me when they smashed any mini car against the mighty Hummer to prove the Hummer is NOT a public safety danger.
>
> Well actually one would expect a person of normal intelligence to have
> researched the question before making a statement, but as you
> apparently did neither I will assume that I am talking to a fool.
>
> A hummer isn't a public safety danger. You can park a Hummer out front
> of the house for years and years and years and it wont harm a fly. So
> ipso facto it is not a dangerous device.
How about having an SUV sitting on the sidewalk?
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 07:27:07 -0700 (PDT), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
> Humble Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Really? Tell me when they smashed any mini car against the mighty Hummer to prove the Hummer is NOT a public safety danger.
>
> Well actually one would expect a person of normal intelligence to have
> researched the question before making a statement, but as you
> apparently did neither I will assume that I am talking to a fool.
>
> A hummer isn't a public safety danger. You can park a Hummer out front
> of the house for years and years and years and it wont harm a fly. So
> ipso facto it is not a dangerous device.
https://twitter.com/tibetan_monkey/status/755585269248786432
The lady backed away slowly when she saw me taking the picture. These sidewalks are no man's land. Are the chicken coming to the rescue?
Do you find these in civilized nations?
https://twitter.com/tibetan_monkey/status/755588082452357120
John B.
Jul 19, 2016, 11:04:13 PM7/19/16
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it is boredom I guess.
But I will attempt to do better :-)
--
cheers,
John B.
Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Jul 19, 2016, 11:25:49 PM7/19/16
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