OT: Barack Hussein Obama wants to decommission Usenet!
Jay
Your loyal servant - J.
landotter
It's pretty embarrassing when you hit the send button and realize this
isn't alt.stormfront.misc, eh?
bigji...@gmail.com
Jay
"landotter" <land...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I slipped on a puddle of pizza cheese (on the way to the PC), and
inadvertently pressed Send, as I fell.
I am so embarrassed. I really meant to post this to
bizarro.rec.bicycles.tech.
I apologize to RBT, and the rest of your world.
Bizarro J.
Jay
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Hey Big Jim, Sir:
You and I both know: At what exact point in time, did it become discourteous
(or un-PC) , to refer to someone by: 'FirstName MiddleName FamilyName'?! As
far back as my 54 years can recall, this type of reference was used by
either USA Presidents, or serial/mass/spree killers. Ordinary garden variety
killers do not usually get referred to by all three names. It needs to be at
least multiple killings - spree killers sometimes rate, like the fictional
Pulp Fiction lovers.
If Obama does not want to be referred to by his middle name, and is ashamed
of his Muslim heritage, let's get it out in the open right now. Before he
has his finger on our nuclear button. I do not want a war started by a
whatever-Muslim-Christian, who might provoke Irael into launching their
weapons in retaliation. I am sure we all know, the future of our planet
might depend on, who the next US pres is!
I am also concerned, that everyone else in his family is apparently Muslim.
So he converted to Christianity, to enhance his political future in the USA?
Hussein is obviously no dummy. Law Review Editor at Harvard - dose guys
ain't stupit.
Or is there something obvious I am missing? I have been totally wrong
before, unlike Ed from MN. (Most everyone else I know in MN is quite
level-headed.)
I well know, we RBTers should focus on bikes, in a bike forum like RBT. But
I think everyone needs to focus on this USA election. The wrong Commander in
Chief could result in bikes being irrelevant.
THAT is the bike connection, to this thread. I truly do not think this
thread is OT, for that reason.
Thanks RBT friends, for your patience, in reading this OT? thought on a
leisurely Sat afternoon.
I remain, your faithful servant - Global J.
PS: Big Jim: The top-post police will give you a bad time. They want
everyone to bottom-post. Not my rule.
J.
Elmo
This news group is a global group and the rest of the world aren't
interested in your local politics.
Tim McNamara
"Jay" <jbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Or is there something obvious I am missing?
Facts and the interest to check them, apparently.
Jay
"Tim McNamara" <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote in message
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Which facts do you question? I do believe his middle name, given to him
proudly by his parents at birth, is Hussein. Am I incorrect? Please cite
your sources, to the contrary. To my knowledge, Hussein has not denied that
his middle name is in fact, Hussein.
If you would like to debate what I have previously posted, please use
something approaching a proper format. Which would be:
1. What I wrote (quoted);
2. Your reply.
Please bear with me; I am only trying to catch up.
J.
Woland99
If you think you are doing something positive for this country
by running around repeating like moron "Hussein Obama" you are
either retarded or you are five years old. It is sad and depressing
to see few quite obviously INTELLIGENT people in this NG participating
in this utter BS. So you do not like Barack - fine - but do ua all a
favor and think about something critical but at least semi-intelligent
to say about him instead of this infantile "Hussein, Hussein".
Jay
news:dff64a74-c8be-4866...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
allowed to question this candidate's family religion, for PC reasons. In
case you have not noticed, we are at war with people who wear
explosive-laden vests, and feel Islam commands them to kill infidels (you,
me, and our families). Women, children, other Muslims, whatever. Just ask
any citizen of Israel.
I simply want a Christian as president. I don't much care for Hillary, but
between those two, she gets my vote. And I believe, when the votes are
counted, most of America will agree with me.
J.
Tim McNamara
"Jay" <jbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Woland99" <wola...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dff64a74-c8be-4866...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com
> ...
> > On Mar 8, 6:13 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Mar 8, 5:42 pm, "Jay" <jbol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Details at 10pm.
> >>
> >> > Your loyal servant - J.
> >>
> >> It's pretty embarrassing when you hit the send button and realize
> >> this isn't alt.stormfront.misc, eh?
> >
> > If you think you are doing something positive for this country by
> > running around repeating like moron "Hussein Obama" you are either
> > retarded or you are five years old. It is sad and depressing to see
> > few quite obviously INTELLIGENT people in this NG participating in
> > this utter BS. So you do not like Barack - fine - but do ua all a
> > favor and think about something critical but at least
> > semi-intelligent to say about him instead of this infantile
> > "Hussein, Hussein".
> >
> >
> I am concerned that this is PC run amok.
Utter fucking bullshit once again. Non-PC enough for ya?
> I am very concerned that one is not allowed to question this
> candidate's family religion, for PC reasons. In case you have not
> noticed, we are at war with people who wear explosive-laden vests,
> and feel Islam commands them to kill infidels (you, me, and our
> families). Women, children, other Muslims, whatever. Just ask any
> citizen of Israel.
OK, so you have proven once again that you are an utter twit who can't
think rationally. I'm sorry, was that too harsh? Should I have said
you're a "cognitively challenged American?" Wouldn't want to be non-PC.
There's a percentage of Muslims who believe this way, just as there is a
percentage of Jews who think that the Palestinians should be
exterminated and their land taken for Israelis to live on, and a
percentage of Christians who think that by sending arms and money into
the Middle East it is possible to provoke Armageddon and bring about the
end of the world. Every faith has whackos and the Abrahamic faiths all
appear to have more than their share.
And you really should look into Obama's background and get some facts
about what faith he was raised in, instead of jerking off about his
middle name. Stop being a moron. Oops, "frontally deficient citizen."
Sorry, I keep forgetting to be PC.
> I simply want a Christian as president. I don't much care for
> Hillary, but between those two, she gets my vote. And I believe, when
> the votes are counted, most of America will agree with me.
Dude, check some facts, eh? I realize that this is anathema to you.
You'd obviously rather avoid thinking by engaging in stereotypes, I
understand that. But a modicum of effort on your part to acquaint
yourself with reality would help you to stop looking like an idiot.
Oops, "informationally self-deprived humanoid life form." Have to be
careful not to be gratuitously insulting 'cuz that's not PC.
I have no concern about Obama in terms of religion except that he's a
Christian (I'd rather have a Buddhist president, Christian politicians
tend to be too irrational- always convinced that Gd approves of their
atrocities). My concern is that he doesn't seem to have a plan or
perhaps even a clue about what it takes to run a nation. Feelgood
speeches are fine, but they won't get the job done.
Tim McNamara
"Jay" <jbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Tim McNamara" <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote in message
> news:timmcn-6BFF6D....@news.iphouse.com...
> > In article <1PydnZJpsa04oU7a...@comcast.com>, "Jay"
> > <jbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Or is there something obvious I am missing?
> >
> > Facts and the interest to check them, apparently.
> >
> >
> I do check my facts carefully before posting. Could you please
> elaborate? Which facts do you question? I do believe his middle name,
> given to him proudly by his parents at birth, is Hussein. Am I
> incorrect? Please cite your sources, to the contrary. To my
> knowledge, Hussein has not denied that his middle name is in fact,
> Hussein.
What's his middle name got to do with anything?
> If you would like to debate what I have previously posted, please use
> something approaching a proper format. Which would be:
>
> 1. What I wrote (quoted);
>
> 2. Your reply.
That's exactly what I did. Pay attention.
> Please bear with me; I am only trying to catch up.
You are indeed way behind.
Jay
> In article <1u2dnWb3s-e7xE7a...@comcast.com>,
> "Jay" <jbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Woland99" <wola...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:dff64a74-c8be-4866...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com
>> ...
>> > On Mar 8, 6:13 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Mar 8, 5:42 pm, "Jay" <jbol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Details at 10pm.
>> >>
>> >> > Your loyal servant - J.
>> >>
>> >> It's pretty embarrassing when you hit the send button and realize
>> >> this isn't alt.stormfront.misc, eh?
>> >
>> > If you think you are doing something positive for this country by
>> > running around repeating like moron "Hussein Obama" you are either
>> > retarded or you are five years old. It is sad and depressing to see
>> > few quite obviously INTELLIGENT people in this NG participating in
>> > this utter BS. So you do not like Barack - fine - but do ua all a
>> > favor and think about something critical but at least
>> > semi-intelligent to say about him instead of this infantile
>> > "Hussein, Hussein".
>> >
>> >
>> I am concerned that this is PC run amok.
>
> Utter fucking bullshit once again. Non-PC enough for ya?
>
>
family newsgroup. There may be children reading our comments, trying to fix
their BMX bikes. Could we please use the King's English?
>
>
>> I am very concerned that one is not allowed to question this
>> candidate's family religion, for PC reasons. In case you have not
>> noticed, we are at war with people who wear explosive-laden vests,
>> and feel Islam commands them to kill infidels (you, me, and our
>> families). Women, children, other Muslims, whatever. Just ask any
>> citizen of Israel.
>
> OK, so you have proven once again that you are an utter twit who can't
> think rationally. I'm sorry, was that too harsh? Should I have said
> you're a "cognitively challenged American?" Wouldn't want to be non-PC.
>
>
nicely. I am indeed challenged in many areas. For instance, I do not suffer
fools gladly. But I am working on this personality defect. I sometimes
forget, many people have not enjoyed the benefits have been blessed with. I
need to have more patience with people who cannot keep up.
>
> There's a percentage of Muslims who believe this way, just as there is a
> percentage of Jews who think that the Palestinians should be
> exterminated and their land taken for Israelis to live on, and a
> percentage of Christians who think that by sending arms and money into
> the Middle East it is possible to provoke Armageddon and bring about the
> end of the world. Every faith has whackos and the Abrahamic faiths all
> appear to have more than their share.
>
> And you really should look into Obama's background and get some facts
> about what faith he was raised in, instead of jerking off about his
> middle name. Stop being a moron. Oops, "frontally deficient citizen."
> Sorry, I keep forgetting to be PC.
>
is very offensive to developmentally challenged people. I am personally
offended, but that is a topic for another thread.
>
>> I simply want a Christian as president. I don't much care for
>> Hillary, but between those two, she gets my vote. And I believe, when
>> the votes are counted, most of America will agree with me.
>
> Dude, check some facts, eh? I realize that this is anathema to you.
> You'd obviously rather avoid thinking by engaging in stereotypes, I
> understand that. But a modicum of effort on your part to acquaint
> yourself with reality would help you to stop looking like an idiot.
> Oops, "informationally self-deprived humanoid life form." Have to be
> careful not to be gratuitously insulting 'cuz that's not PC.
>
comments regarding 'moron'.)
>
> I have no concern about Obama in terms of religion except that he's a
> Christian (I'd rather have a Buddhist president, Christian politicians
> tend to be too irrational- always convinced that Gd approves of their
> atrocities). My concern is that he doesn't seem to have a plan or
> perhaps even a clue about what it takes to run a nation. Feelgood
> speeches are fine, but they won't get the job done.
>
today.
Thanks for this thoughtful discussion.
J.
Pat
>
> If Obama does not want to be referred to by his middle name, and is
> ashamed of his Muslim heritage, let's get it out in the open right now.
> Before he has his finger on our nuclear button. I do not want a war
> started by a whatever-Muslim-Christian, who might provoke Irael into
> launching their weapons in retaliation. I am sure we all know, the future
> of our planet might depend on, who the next US pres is!
Jay, you've been listening to Rush Limbaugh too much. It has affected your
brain.
>
>
Pat
Read, research, listen--except for Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, Mark
Davis, et al. Do your own information gathering instead of letting those
wing nuts tell you what to believe.
Jay
"Pat" <in...@tmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>>
>
> Jay, you've been listening to Rush Limbaugh too much. It has affected your
> brain.
>>
>>
masses brainwashed. And they only get the news from TV sound bites anyway.
Or how cute! different! change! a candidate looks. It makes me physically
ill...please excuse me a moment; I am going to the men's room at the very
thought.
And you forgot to slam my friend Bill O'Reilly. He speaks the 'fair and
balanced' truth; we all know that to be a fact. Or are you too brainwashed
to even see the other side of the argument?
J.
Jay
Please try to keep up. All RBT knows I am 54 years old. This is well
documented, even by those who flunked out of Google Search 101. I have been
told, I am the easiest person to find on the Internet. While this might be a
stretch, I think someone of your demonstrated Internet abilities should be
equal to the challenge. I encourage you to 'go for it', trite and cliched as
that may sound.
I wish you good luck!
J.
Tom Sherman
> "Pat" <in...@tmail.com> wrote in message
> news:63j0soF...@mid.individual.net...
>> Jay, you've been listening to Rush Limbaugh too much. It has affected your
>> brain.
>>>
> Absolutely! In a very good way! The liberal mainstream press has the USA
> masses brainwashed. And they only get the news from TV sound bites anyway.
> Or how cute! different! change! a candidate looks. It makes me physically
> ill...please excuse me a moment; I am going to the men's room at the very
> thought.
Look on the bright side - if Obama looses the primary, he will still be
Jay's Senator for at least 2 more years and probably longer [1].
[1] Who would the Illinois Republicans run for the office in 2010? The
milkman, who just lost another election bid?
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
Tom Sherman
that would be happy to eliminate his public sector job in favor of a
lower paying outsourced one (since a part of the taxpayer money has to
go to profit margin when services are outsourced)?
Jay
"Tom Sherman" <sunset...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fr1l91$6p4$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
I don't much care about the IL senate, in the future. If the godless
Democrats win this year, I fear the 'end of times' is at hand. It is really
that serious, IMO. But these young, 1st time voters, want to vote for
Hussein...because he can dance with gay Ellen?! I cannot bear to watch the
outcome. Or he can give a moving speech? Hey, please check WWII history.
Hitler was a master orator!
I am sure, the radical bomb-wearing Muslims, are laughing at this whole
spectacle.
Christian J.
Jay
"Tom Sherman" <sunset...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
> I wonder if Jay realizes he is supporting a political ideology/party that
> would be happy to eliminate his public sector job in favor of a lower
> paying outsourced one (since a part of the taxpayer money has to go to
> profit margin when services are outsourced)?
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>
My (IL state) public sector job is as secure as jobs get, with the possible
exception of the federal equivalent. This is by design, in our legal system.
Designed to not allow the powerful state (or federal) gov't from
steamrolling a puny individual employee.
I say this with great confidence: The outcome of this election will have no
effect on my job status.
J.
Tom Sherman
> "Tom Sherman" <sunset...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fr1l91$6p4$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Jay Bollyn wrote:
>>> "Pat" <in...@tmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:63j0soF...@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Jay, you've been listening to Rush Limbaugh too much. It has affected
>>>> your brain.
>>> Absolutely! In a very good way! The liberal mainstream press has the USA
>>> masses brainwashed. And they only get the news from TV sound bites
>>> anyway. Or how cute! different! change! a candidate looks. It makes me
>>> physically ill...please excuse me a moment; I am going to the men's room
>>> at the very thought.
>>> [...]
>> Look on the bright side - if Obama looses the primary, he will still be
>> Jay's Senator for at least 2 more years and probably longer [1].
>>
>> [1] Who would the Illinois Republicans run for the office in 2010? The
>> milkman, who just lost another election bid?
>>
>
> I don't much care about the IL senate, in the future.
Well, actually Barack Obama has been a member of the US Senate since
2004. Before that, he was a member of the Illinois Senate.
> If the godless
> Democrats win this year, I fear the 'end of times' is at hand.
Godless? One would have a hard (if not impossible) time finding a
Democratic member of Congress who was not a member of one of the
Abrahamic religions. An avowed atheist would have no chance at being
elected in the US.
> It is really
> that serious, IMO. But these young, 1st time voters, want to vote for
> Hussein...because he can dance with gay Ellen?! I cannot bear to watch the
> outcome. Or he can give a moving speech? Hey, please check WWII history.
> Hitler was a master orator!
>
I fear Jay has been the victim of some mind control plot, since he seems
to be an otherwise rational and intelligent being.
> I am sure, the radical bomb-wearing Muslims, are laughing at this whole
> spectacle.
>
Yes, but radical, bomb-wearing Muslims are a few thousand at best out of
more than one billion, or less than .0001% of the total.
Tom Sherman
> "Tom Sherman" <sunset...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fr1lif$6p4$2...@registered.motzarella.org...
>> I wonder if Jay realizes he is supporting a political ideology/party that
>> would be happy to eliminate his public sector job in favor of a lower
>> paying outsourced one (since a part of the taxpayer money has to go to
>> profit margin when services are outsourced)?
>>
>
> My (IL state) public sector job is as secure as jobs get, with the possible
> exception of the federal equivalent. This is by design, in our legal system.
> Designed to not allow the powerful state (or federal) gov't from
> steamrolling a puny individual employee.
>
> I say this with great confidence: The outcome of this election will have no
> effect on my job status.
>
(except for police and military functions and cronyism appointments). Do
you not recall Grover Norquist's desire for a government so small it
could be "drowned in a bathtub"?
The protections that government employees have were put into place and
insured by Democrats.
It always strikes me as ironic when government employees advocate
political positions that support the denial of the same benefits to
private sector workers that they have in their own jobs.
Jay should consider himself very fortunate to have a public sector job,
since the right-wing policies have resulted in almost no new openings in
the last decade, and most of those filled by nepotism and cronyism. If
he was in the private sector, he would work half again as many hours for
the same compensation.
Tim McNamara
Tom Sherman <sunset...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
> Jay Bollyn wrote:
> > "Tom Sherman" <sunset...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:fr1lif$6p4$2...@registered.motzarella.org...
> >> I wonder if Jay realizes he is supporting a political
> >> ideology/party that would be happy to eliminate his public sector
> >> job in favor of a lower paying outsourced one (since a part of the
> >> taxpayer money has to go to profit margin when services are
> >> outsourced)?
> >>
> > I regret, I must differ with my friend Tom:
> >
> > My (IL state) public sector job is as secure as jobs get, with the
> > possible exception of the federal equivalent. This is by design, in
> > our legal system. Designed to not allow the powerful state (or
> > federal) gov't from steamrolling a puny individual employee.
> >
> > I say this with great confidence: The outcome of this election will
> > have no effect on my job status.
> >
> But the right-wing ideology is to eliminate all public sector jobs
> (except for police and military functions and cronyism appointments).
Actually, the right wing also wants to privatize military and police
functions, as seen in the use of what are basically mercenaries in Iraq
and happily deferring southern border security to self-appointed
vigilante groups.
Tim McNamara
"Jay" <jbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Tim McNamara" <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote in message
> news:timmcn-AB1FB7....@news.iphouse.com...
>
> > I have no concern about Obama in terms of religion except that he's
> > a Christian (I'd rather have a Buddhist president, Christian
> > politicians tend to be too irrational- always convinced that Gd
> > approves of their atrocities). My concern is that he doesn't seem
> > to have a plan or perhaps even a clue about what it takes to run a
> > nation. Feelgood speeches are fine, but they won't get the job
> > done.
> >
> There, that was not too difficult, was it? I feel we have made
> progress today.
I see you avoided the gist once again. What does Obama's middle name
have to do with anything? It's the thing you keep bringing up over and
over despite its irrelevance.
As for his lack of experience and my doubts about his suitability for
the office as a result, I expressed concerns about that before he had
publicly announced his decision to run. Nothing he has said since then
has allayed my concerns. It's not clear to me what "progress" you think
has been made.
Unfortunately neither major party is offering me a candidate I feel that
I can confidently vote for. McCain in 2000 impressed me and would have
given me some debate about who to vote for (Bush made that decision
easy); the 2008 edition does not impress me after he spent the best part
of a decade compromising himself. Clinton's campaign is all about her
and not about the country, and fluffs up what is really pretty minimal
experience; Obama's campaign carefully avoids being about his
experience- as it must because he has little more than his personality
to offer. There is nothing new in these opinions of mine.
Tim McNamara
"Jay" <jbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The liberal mainstream press has the USA masses brainwashed.
You're funny.
Jay
"Tom Sherman" <sunset...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>> It is really that serious, IMO. But these young, 1st time voters, want to
>> vote for Hussein...because he can dance with gay Ellen?! I cannot bear to
>> watch the outcome. Or he can give a moving speech? Hey, please check WWII
>> history. Hitler was a master orator!
>>
> I fear Jay has been the victim of some mind control plot, since he seems
> to be an otherwise rational and intelligent being.
>
>
up with this argument. Are you suggesting that Hitler was not a highly
skilled speaker? There is abundant verified documentation to the contrary,
e.g. http://www.hitler.org/speeches/ . Germany post-WWI was even deeper in
depression, than the US in the 1930's. Hitler gave ordinary Germans hope
with his moving speeches. The momentary power of a great speaker is huge,
but it tends to be very thin. After the thrill of the speech wears off, the
reality sets in.
>
>> I am sure, the radical bomb-wearing Muslims, are laughing at this whole
>> spectacle.
>>
> Yes, but radical, bomb-wearing Muslims are a few thousand at best out of
> more than one billion, or less than .0001% of the total.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>
anti-terrorist strategy. If the Democrats win the presidency, with their
'let's all embrace, and share the love' feel-good thing, the anti-terrorism
honeymoon will be over. But it will then be too late.
J.
Tom Sherman
> "Tom Sherman" <sunset...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fr1nve$joh$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> It is really that serious, IMO. But these young, 1st time voters, want to
>>> vote for Hussein...because he can dance with gay Ellen?! I cannot bear to
>>> watch the outcome. Or he can give a moving speech? Hey, please check WWII
>>> history. Hitler was a master orator!
>>>
>> I fear Jay has been the victim of some mind control plot, since he seems
>> to be an otherwise rational and intelligent being.
>>
>>
> Tom, please bear with me..I am pedalling double-quick, in an attempt to keep
> up with this argument. Are you suggesting that Hitler was not a highly
> skilled speaker? There is abundant verified documentation to the contrary,
> e.g. http://www.hitler.org/speeches/ . Germany post-WWI was even deeper in
> depression, than the US in the 1930's. Hitler gave ordinary Germans hope
> with his moving speeches. The momentary power of a great speaker is huge,
> but it tends to be very thin. After the thrill of the speech wears off, the
> reality sets in.
>
REPUBLICAN President Dwight Eisenhower. Those claiming otherwise are
engaging in silly partisanship.
Note that the real left has been critical of Obama for being too much of
a corporate politician.
>>> I am sure, the radical bomb-wearing Muslims, are laughing at this whole
>>> spectacle.
>>>
>> Yes, but radical, bomb-wearing Muslims are a few thousand at best out of
>> more than one billion, or less than .0001% of the total.
>>
> America is enjoying the results of our great Republican president's
> anti-terrorist strategy. If the Democrats win the presidency, with their
> 'let's all embrace, and share the love' feel-good thing, the anti-terrorism
> honeymoon will be over. But it will then be too late.
>
Oh please. The main creation of anti-US terrorist sentiment over the
past six years has been the Conquest of Iraq, the support of low-level
Israeli ethnic cleansing [1] and the Cheney/Rove/Bush "War on Terra".
Knowing both USians and Muslims from primarily Muslim countries, I find
the USians are generally more blood thirsty and approving of violence
(as long as they are the givers and not the receivers).
[1] Mainly by destroying Palestinian civil institutions, the Palestinian
economy, the taking of ever more land for Jewish settlements, and
turning Palestinian areas into effective concentration camps by
restricting free movement of people and goods.
Tom Sherman
I think it is just a typographical error.
"The corporate mainstream press has the USA masses brainwashed."
Yes, much better.
Jay
"Tom Sherman" <sunset...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> >
> The reality is that Barack Obama will govern no further to the left than
> REPUBLICAN President Dwight Eisenhower. Those claiming otherwise are
> engaging in silly partisanship.
>
fallen in love with him. They do not ask him the tough questions. They do
not want to appear to be too tough on an African-American, for fear of being
called racist. Ever since he has been declared to be the 'candidate of
change', given the state of the Iraq war, everyone has 20-20 hindsight. I
personally think the world is much better off without Saddam Hussein
(there's that name again!). Or how about one of his psycho sons running
Iraq, sitting on all that oil money. I am so glad all three are dead.
>
>
> Knowing both USians and Muslims from primarily Muslim countries, I find
> the USians are generally more blood thirsty and approving of violence (as
> long as they are the givers and not the receivers).
>
> [1] Mainly by destroying Palestinian civil institutions, the Palestinian
> economy, the taking of ever more land for Jewish settlements, and turning
> Palestinian areas into effective concentration camps by restricting free
> movement of people and goods.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>
a topic for another thread. Let's get this 2008 election ironed out, and
then we can solve the whole middle east thing.
J.
Tom Sherman
> "Tom Sherman" <sunset...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fr1rqc$68b$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>> The reality is that Barack Obama will govern no further to the left than
>> REPUBLICAN President Dwight Eisenhower. Those claiming otherwise are
>> engaging in silly partisanship.
>>
> The biggest problem with Obama, is that the liberal mainstream media has
> fallen in love with him. They do not ask him the tough questions. They do
> not want to appear to be too tough on an African-American, for fear of being
> called racist.
>
question with a quip, and never challenged G.W. Bush for fear of losing
"access".
> Ever since he has been declared to be the 'candidate of
> change', given the state of the Iraq war, everyone has 20-20 hindsight. I
> personally think the world is much better off without Saddam Hussein
> (there's that name again!). Or how about one of his psycho sons running
> Iraq, sitting on all that oil money. I am so glad all three are dead.
>>
Why the problem with the name Hussein? King Hussein of Jordan was a
faithful puppet of the US for many years.
>> Knowing both USians and Muslims from primarily Muslim countries, I find
>> the USians are generally more blood thirsty and approving of violence (as
>> long as they are the givers and not the receivers).
>>
>> [1] Mainly by destroying Palestinian civil institutions, the Palestinian
>> economy, the taking of ever more land for Jewish settlements, and turning
>> Palestinian areas into effective concentration camps by restricting free
>> movement of people and goods.
>>
> I agree that Israel is being grossly unfair to the Palestinians, but that is
> a topic for another thread. Let's get this 2008 election ironed out, and
> then we can solve the whole middle east thing.
>
Well, all three candidates have pledged allegiance to AIPAC, which
serves the radical Zionist [1] agenda, so there is little hope there.
[1] Zionism is NOT to be confused with the Jewish ethnic identity.
A Muzi
>>>> I wonder if Jay realizes he is supporting a political
>>>> ideology/party that would be happy to eliminate his public sector
>>>> job in favor of a lower paying outsourced one (since a part of the
>>>> taxpayer money has to go to profit margin when services are
>>>> outsourced)?
>> Jay Bollyn wrote:
>>> I regret, I must differ with my friend Tom:
>>> My (IL state) public sector job is as secure as jobs get, with the
>>> possible exception of the federal equivalent. This is by design, in
>>> our legal system. Designed to not allow the powerful state (or
>>> federal) gov't from steamrolling a puny individual employee.
>>> I say this with great confidence: The outcome of this election will
>>> have no effect on my job status.
> Tom Sherman <sunset...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>> But the right-wing ideology is to eliminate all public sector jobs
>> (except for police and military functions and cronyism appointments).
Tim McNamara wrote:
> Actually, the right wing also wants to privatize military and police
> functions, as seen in the use of what are basically mercenaries in Iraq
> and happily deferring southern border security to self-appointed
> vigilante groups.
History shows both successful examples and debacles. It's not at all a
simple issue.
Although I agree with you that administrative quality, now and out to a
five year horizon, does not inspire confidence.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
A Muzi
>> The liberal mainstream press has the USA masses brainwashed.
Tim McNamara wrote:
> You're funny.
Most USAians think news readers are 'reporters'.
Laugh or cry.
Jay
"Tom Sherman" <sunset...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
> Well, all three candidates have pledged allegiance to AIPAC, which serves
> the radical Zionist [1] agenda, so there is little hope there.
>
> [1] Zionism is NOT to be confused with the Jewish ethnic identity.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>
>
we all have joined Sheldon.
But I really try to peek through my essentially pessimistic clouds, now and
then. Otherwise, the outlook is just too bleak.
J.
landotter
He's probably a Sox fan too. I distinctly remember being in a bar on
the near south side once and hearing some Sox fans argue as how black
guys can't fight "fayahs" in response to a new fire chief in the news.
Tom Sherman
There is a basic human failing that advances people (politically and in
organizations) based on popularity instead of merit. Therefore, we end
up with leaders that can talk the talk, but can not walk the walk.
The only positions where it makes sense to choose people based on
personal popularity are sales/marketing.
Jay
"landotter" <land...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Al - 'just win, baby!' Supporting the local professional team, without
regard to their won/loss record, is for children and saps. And the marketing
department.
I think Bill O'Reilly should be required listening for all RBT regulars. He
speaks the 'fair and balanced' truth. I hate to overstate the obvious.
J.
Jay
"Tom Sherman" <sunset...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> There is a basic human failing that advances people (politically and in
> organizations) based on popularity instead of merit. Therefore, we end up
> with leaders that can talk the talk, but can not walk the walk.
>
> The only positions where it makes sense to choose people based on personal
> popularity are sales/marketing.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>
a dancer, and his cute smile (smirk?).
Pardon me, I am feeling a bit indisposed...
J.
andre...@aol.com
> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
Actually, I didn't give a f.. about any of the candidates and wasn't
going to vote for anyone. I think that they are all crooks and are
owned by the big pharma, and all the other corporations. The amount of
money they are raising in their campaigns is unreal.
However, now that I know that Obama is a radical muslim, affiliated to
terrorists, I will certainly vote for him. Thanks for the inside
scoop. That would be my only motivation to get out and vote.
Pat
>> Jay, you've been listening to Rush Limbaugh too much. It has affected
>> your
>> brain.
>>>
>>>
> Absolutely! In a very good way! The liberal mainstream press has the USA
> masses brainwashed. And they only get the news from TV sound bites anyway.
> Or how cute! different! change! a candidate looks. It makes me physically
> ill...please excuse me a moment; I am going to the men's room at the very
> thought.
>
> And you forgot to slam my friend Bill O'Reilly. He speaks the 'fair and
> balanced' truth; we all know that to be a fact. Or are you too brainwashed
> to even see the other side of the argument?
>
> J.
Hey, I listen Mark Davis and Bill O'Reilly, but if you think he speaks "fair
and balanced truth", you're more far gone than I thought. He has a "schtick"
just like all of the others, Jay. Only his "schtick" is "no spin!" Instead
of just listening to a select group who already agree with you, try reading
online newspapers--the more the better.
Pat in TX
Pat
>>
> America is enjoying the results of our great Republican president's
> anti-terrorist strategy. If the Democrats win the presidency, with their
> 'let's all embrace, and share the love' feel-good thing, the
> anti-terrorism honeymoon will be over. But it will then be too late.
>
> J.
Tragedy and the other is Downfall of the House of Bush. Your 'great'
president will go down in history as one of the worst. You are such a
Kool-Aid drinker, Jay, that it is amazing!
Pat in TX
Pat
>> Jay, I hate to say this, but you are coming off as if you are 13 years
>> old! Read, research, listen--except for Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh,
>> Mark Davis, et al. Do your own information gathering instead of letting
>> those wing nuts tell you what to believe.
>>
> My dear RBT friend Pat:
>
> Please try to keep up. All RBT knows I am 54 years old. This is well
> documented, even by those who flunked out of Google Search 101. I have
> been told, I am the easiest person to find on the Internet. While this
> might be a stretch, I think someone of your demonstrated Internet
> abilities should be equal to the challenge. I encourage you to 'go for
> it', trite and cliched as that may sound.
>
> I wish you good luck!
>
> J.
I didn't say your ARE 13, I said by the things you are writing, you are
appearing to be 13. Big difference. Someone who obsesses over a candidate's
MIDDLE name? Sheesh? Where were you when Milhouse was in the news?
Pat in TX
Jay
book, and post a one-paragraph executive summary online.
I do agree that Bush 43 is only a shadow of Bush 41. The elder had the
good sense not to invade Iraq. But some companies have made huge
wartime profits. I remember seeing a TV live broadcast, when Bush Lite
first realized he had been elected. He looked just like a deer in
headlights. I think at that moment, he realized he was in way over his
head. I was very concerned for the country at that moment, and that
concern was well founded.
J.
Jay
<andre...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Actually, I didn't give a f.. about any of the candidates and wasn't
> going to vote for anyone. I think that they are all crooks and are
> owned by the big pharma, and all the other corporations. The amount of
> money they are raising in their campaigns is unreal.
>
> However, now that I know that Obama is a radical muslim, affiliated to
> terrorists, I will certainly vote for him. Thanks for the inside
> scoop. That would be my only motivation to get out and vote.
>
>
I never said or intimated that BHO is a 'radical muslim'. I did say that
BHO's family religion is Islam, which is a documented fact. He personally is
apparently Christian, but the trouble with BHO is, one does not really know
what he stands for. All his 'present' votes in the senate, to my mind, mean
he is afraid to take a stand on sensitive issues. That might be politically
smart, but that is NOT how our elected reps should act, IMO. I agree
politicians (on both sides of the aisle) are mostly slimy weasels, looking
out for their own personal self interest, not for the good of their
constituents. And they are all in bed with the lobbyists.
So you see, every sentence gets ever more depressing. That is why I try to
completely avoid political discussions. Recently, I know I have failed
*miserably*, as LO will attest. I hope he is not too PO'ed at me. I clearly
need all the RBT expert bike help I can get. LO might not be Sheldon-esque,
but his response time can't be beat.
J
Jay
borderline bike genius. I NO you will be able to follow this train of
thought. If you cannot, it will be MY fault, for not expressing my argument
clearly enough:
Are you suggesting, I should read BOOKS? I work in a state university
library. Books surround me every day. But 'books on the shelf' are giving
way to online resources. This means we need just as many librarians as
before, but with different (computer-savvy) skills. I have not read a book,
cover to cover, since undergrad, 30 years ago. Reading books puts me to
sleep, always has. I need executive summaries, otherwise all you will hear
is snoring.
So what is your problem with the name Milhouse? A great distinguished,
distinctive name! RMN was a genius, but fatally flawed, psychotic paranoid
at the very end (talking to WH portraits - what's up with that?). Opened up
China, and you see what THAT has done. And there was that DC hotel thing, I
forget the name of it...
J.
Tim McNamara
A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> > "Jay" <jbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> The liberal mainstream press has the USA masses brainwashed.
>
> Tim McNamara wrote:
> > You're funny.
>
> Most USAians think news readers are 'reporters'.
> Laugh or cry.
Once upon a time, they usually were reporters before they got into the
big chair. Not so much any more unfortunately. Now they're models,
hired to look decorative while they sounds out the words.
Well, that's not universally true, of course. But it seems to have been
the trend for a long time now.
Jay
>
> Well, that's not universally true, of course. But it seems to have been
> the trend for a long time now.
>
>
oh, sorry, wrong ng, duh...
Wingnet J (who just got his bran' new Electra Fred-Bike)!
Giddy J.
Tim McNamara
<7e9f6cba-f11a-495a...@n58g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Jay <jbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 9:10 am, "Pat" <in...@tmail.com> wrote:
> > > America is enjoying the results of our great Republican
> > > president's anti-terrorist strategy. If the Democrats win the
> > > presidency, with their 'let's all embrace, and share the love'
> > > feel-good thing, the anti-terrorism honeymoon will be over. But
> > > it will then be too late.
> >
> > > J.
> >
> > I have just read two books you really should read. One is called
> > The Bush Tragedy and the other is Downfall of the House of Bush.
> > Your 'great' president will go down in history as one of the worst.
> > You are such a Kool-Aid drinker, Jay, that it is amazing!
> >
> > Pat in TX
> >
> Nah, I don't read books anymore. I wait for someone else to read the
> book, and post a one-paragraph executive summary online.
>
> I do agree that Bush 43 is only a shadow of Bush 41. The elder had
> the good sense not to invade Iraq.
Ummmm. US and coalition forces invaded Iraq on February 24, 1991.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War#Coalition_forces_enter_Iraq
What GHWB did not do was infinitely expand the mission beyond all sense
and rationality. Richard Perle, Donald Rumsfeld, Vin Weber, John
Bolton, Paul Wolfowitz, et al thought this was a mistake and seized upon
Shrub's presidency as an opportunity to clean up the "ragged ending" of
the Gulf War, capitalizing shamelessly and heinously on 9/11 to achieve
that end. You can see how well *that* turned out.
It's interesting to see the signatories of the following letter and
count how many of them have held high office in the Bush Administration:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
The was was inevitable once GWB was selected to office.
> But some companies have made huge wartime profits. I remember seeing
> a TV live broadcast, when Bush Lite first realized he had been
> elected. He looked just like a deer in headlights. I think at that
> moment, he realized he was in way over his head. I was very concerned
> for the country at that moment, and that concern was well founded.
Indeed.
Jay
>> But some companies have made huge wartime profits. I remember seeing
>> a TV live broadcast, when Bush Lite first realized he had been
>> elected. He looked just like a deer in headlights. I think at that
>> moment, he realized he was in way over his head. I was very concerned
>> for the country at that moment, and that concern was well founded.
>
> Indeed.
>
>
OK, Timmy Mac; I fear it is just you and me, speaking the truth, against the
rest of the world? Looks like, we have our work cut out for us, in Election
2008. And I think LO hates my guts. He is a formidable foe. He certainly
knows how to press SEND. More later.
J.
andre...@aol.com
> <andresm...@aol.com> wrote in message
Jay:
I wanna thank you for going slow. You know, not everyone is as
sophisticated, witty and astute as you are and some things may escape
me since I am kind of slow myself. While I am not quite as bright as
you, I think that I was trying to make a point that may have escaped
you. Of course, this is more likely due to me rather than due to any
limitations on your part. So, to pay you inkind, I will also try to go
slow with my unsophisticated response.
You see, these dialogs do not occur in a contextual void, but there
is something that is called context that permeates into every
conversation. So, within the context of the mainstream, there is some
unsophistication, such as mine, that tends to blend things together.
Most Americans don't know what a Muslim is, or what they stand for. To
many, Muslim is anti Christian, terrorist, radical and violent. Of
course, as Tom pointed out, most Muslims are peaceful and only a tiny
minority engages in acts of violence. However, the media has
manipulated the American mindset to create the image of terrorist tied
to references to Arab, Muslim, middle eastern, etc. Names like Ossama
and Hussein quickly and unfairly cause fear and discrimination, even
thought there are thousands of peaceful Ossamas and Husseins in the
world.
Of course, some have used this to try to associate Obama to terrorism.
Knowing that reference to Islam brings fear into millions of ignorant
Americans many have made the association between Obama and Islam with,
just that intention. Americans of course don't know differences in the
middle east and central Asia and think that it is all the same
cauldron of terrorists. That is why it was easy to blame Iraq for the
actions of a few radical Saudis. Never mind that Saddam was the
furthest from extreme Islam or the beliefs of radical Wahabbies.
So, when you associate Obama to Islam and Ossama, Hussein, etc, what
you are doing is praying on the ignorance and fear of must Americans
to not distinguish between Islam and radical Islam. Of course, you
knew this and that is why you started the thread. Either that, or you
are truly a lot slower than most here.
max...@rvms.com
>
> You see, these dialogs do not occur in a contextual void, but there
> is something that is called context that permeates into every
> conversation.
So, this "context" thing is like, um, The Force?
--max
andre...@aol.com
How about The Matrix. I think that it is symbolically more precise.
max...@rvms.com
Good thinking. But I still think we need to measure the candidates'
midichlorian counts, if for no other reason than to be able to say,
"Strong with this one, the Force is."
Tim McNamara
<728d057d-8f2f-4ee9...@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
max...@rvms.com wrote:
With you the context is.
Tim McNamara
"Jay" <jbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> "Tim McNamara" <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote in message
> news:timmcn-E1A542....@news.iphouse.com...
> >
> > Well, that's not universally true, of course. But it seems to have
> > been the trend for a long time now.
> >
> >
> Metallica RULES!
I dig Jerry and Bobby and Phil the rest of the guys. And Ornette and
Tal and Wes and Bird and Diz. To each their own, I say.
Tom Sherman
> "Tim McNamara" <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote in message
> news:timmcn-E1A542....@news.iphouse.com...
>> Well, that's not universally true, of course. But it seems to have been
>> the trend for a long time now.
>>
>>
> Metallica RULES!
>
Jay
<andre...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
I hereby declare this thread, *officially closed*, and without any merit
whatsoever.
Let's all focus on something more important.
J.
Tom Sherman
> In article <BLmdnZSuTJgI107a...@comcast.com>,>> news:timmcn-6BFF6D....@news.iphouse.com...
>>> In article <1PydnZJpsa04oU7a...@comcast.com>, "Jay"
>>> <jbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Or is there something obvious I am missing?
>>> Facts and the interest to check them, apparently.
>>>
>>>
>> I do check my facts carefully before posting. Could you please
>> elaborate? Which facts do you question? I do believe his middle name,
>> given to him proudly by his parents at birth, is Hussein. Am I
>> incorrect? Please cite your sources, to the contrary. To my
>> knowledge, Hussein has not denied that his middle name is in fact,
>> Hussein.
>
> What's his middle name got to do with anything? [...]
>
It reminds me of the good friend of the US, the late King Hussein of Jordan.
Michael Press
Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
> In article <13t8vot...@corp.supernews.com>,
> A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
> > > "Jay" <jbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> The liberal mainstream press has the USA masses brainwashed.
> >
> > Tim McNamara wrote:
> > > You're funny.
> >
> > Most USAians think news readers are 'reporters'.
> > Laugh or cry.
>
> Once upon a time, they usually were reporters before they got into the
> big chair. Not so much any more unfortunately. Now they're models,
> hired to look decorative while they sounds out the words.
Let's not mince words: meat puppets.
--
Michael Press
andre...@aol.com
> <andresm...@aol.com> wrote in message
Well, in that case, I cheer to that, especially since I am going on
vacation tomorrow :-)