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Mountain Biking - Ban vs. Compromise
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EdwardDolan
Jun 10, 2016, 9:27:34 AM6/10/16
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Another report from the trenches. I think bans only work since mountain
bikers are such scofflaws.
>It was good to read your point of view and I get
>that perception is a big deal. However, the
>activist mountain bikers don’t seem to share
>your point of view. I’ve observed a total
>disregard for the laws by these activists and
>yet they are not seen as “freaks” as you
>identified yourself. I also agree that walking
>in wilderness should not be banned and that the
>“damage” hikers do is not nearly as horrible as
>biking does. I never considered mountain biking
>(I’ve always been a street/paved path
>bicyclist). Because of Mike’s activities and
>his sharing on the damage of this activity to
>our wilderness and the bicyclists has made me an anti-mountain biking
activist.
>
>I think that if we could get enough volunteers
>around the world to adopt a trail or two that
>does not allow mountain biking; we can help the
>park rangers with enforcement. I began that
>process by hiking a trail in Oakland’s
>wilderness and discovered the website was not
>current in its information. So I helped by
>communicating with East Bay Parks and they fixed
>it. Now I’m adopting a new trail which I will
>begin next week (weather permitting).
>
>I don’t think this is radical – I think it’s a
>good way to begin the process of educating
>everyone to the radical mountain bikers who
>don’t care about wilderness in the same way most folks do.
>
>My Process:
>· Walk the trail at
least one time per week
>· Bring a whistle (and
light if necessary)
>· Wear nice bright
clothes so you are
>not invisible ( a safety vest is good)
>· Bring a cell phone
(or satellite if you have one)
>· Enjoy nature while
paying attention
>· If you run across
illegal trails or
>mountain bikers, be polite but ask them to get
>off of their bikes and walk to the nearest legal trail (have one in
mind).
>Or back the way they came, which they don't like.
>If they are hostile, use your whistle and cell phone and
>· Then report any
incidents (minor or major) to the park rangers.
>> Good idea! A digital camera is also useful.
Photographing them sends them a message, and
inhibits their law-breaking, and the photos may be
useful for law enforcement. I think that a
digital camera usually takes clearer photos than a cell phone.
Mountain bikes have wheels. Wheels are for roads.
Trails are for walking. What’s the matter? Can’t walk?
Ed Dolan the Great – Minnesota
John B.
Jun 10, 2016, 11:00:43 AM6/10/16
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On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 08:27:39 -0500, "EdwardDolan" <edo...@iw.net>
wrote:
>Another report from the trenches. I think bans only work since mountain bikers are such scofflaws.
>
Ed, what trenches are you referring to? The ones that you dig yourself
and then post as Proof"?
I will say that you do have a well developed gasp on fantasy, but
that alter the fact that in reality you are still the little greedy
fellow defending his toy box from all comers. "No! NO! Get out of
here! You can't play with my toys"
--
cheers,
John B.
wrote:
>Another report from the trenches. I think bans only work since mountain bikers are such scofflaws.
>
and then post as Proof"?
I will say that you do have a well developed gasp on fantasy, but
that alter the fact that in reality you are still the little greedy
fellow defending his toy box from all comers. "No! NO! Get out of
here! You can't play with my toys"
--
cheers,
John B.
cycl...@gmail.com
Jun 10, 2016, 1:15:16 PM6/10/16
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So what you are really complaining about is that you don't want anyone else using "your" trails.
EdwardDolan
Jun 10, 2016, 3:48:42 PM6/10/16
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"John B." wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 08:27:39 -0500, "EdwardDolan" <edo...@iw.net>
wrote:
>Another report from the trenches. I think bans only work since mountain
>bikers are such scofflaws.
>
Ed, what trenches are you referring to? The ones that you dig yourself
and then post as Proof"?
exactly what I would have said too!
I will say that you do have a well developed gasp on fantasy, but
that alter the fact that in reality you are still the little greedy
fellow defending his toy box from all comers. "No! NO! Get out of
here! You can't play with my toys"
exactly what I would have said too!
EdwardDolan
Jun 10, 2016, 4:00:43 PM6/10/16
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[...]
> After carefully trying to observe the "damage" that bikes cause I
noted that the bikes cause the damage of smoothing out the rain ruts on soft
ground and making no damage on hard ground except where kids on bike tried to
jump logs laying across the trail from rain or wind fallen trees. It sure is
terrible that a fallen tree can have chunks carved out of it by sprokets.
I am not overly concerned about the damage that bikes do to
trails. I suspect most damage is done to trails when bikes are ridden on wet
surfaces. Mike Vandeman is the expert on that. I am concerned about the damage
that mountain bikes do to the psyche of hikers.
> So what you are really complaining about is that you don't want anyone
else using "your" trails.
This borders on a John B.ullshit response. Be careful I don’t
treat you like I do him. The reasons why I don’t want bikes on trails is all
here on this newsgroup. I am not going to go over and over old material for your
benefit. Either get up to speed or get lost.
news16
Jun 10, 2016, 8:19:10 PM6/10/16
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On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 08:27:39 -0500, EdwardDolan wrote:
> Another report from the trenches. I think bans only work since mountain
> bikers are such scofflaws.
Let me guess, scofflaw was word of the month in Reader's Digest.
> Another report from the trenches. I think bans only work since mountain
> bikers are such scofflaws.
EdwardDolan
Jun 11, 2016, 1:07:07 AM6/11/16
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John B.
Jun 11, 2016, 1:40:22 AM6/11/16
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a logical decision. From all he writes, bicycles belong on the
highway, not in the woods, and he is not going to allow you to defile
"his" forests.
And the fact that the Federal Government built most of what he is so
defensive of makes no difference at all.
--
cheers,
John B.
John B.
Jun 11, 2016, 1:50:32 AM6/11/16
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On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 15:00:48 -0500, "EdwardDolan" <edo...@iw.net>
wrote:
>wrote in message news:4dbc59fe-884f-4e95...@googlegroups.com...
>[...]
>
>> After carefully trying to observe the "damage" that bikes cause I noted that the bikes cause the damage of smoothing out the rain ruts on soft ground and making no damage on hard ground except where kids on bike tried to jump logs laying across the trail from rain or wind fallen trees. It sure is terrible that a fallen tree can have chunks carved out of it by sprokets.
>
>I am not overly concerned about the damage that bikes do to trails. I suspect most damage is done to trails when bikes are ridden on wet surfaces. Mike Vandeman is the expert on that. I am concerned about the damage that mountain bikes do to the psyche of hikers.
Oh, a bloke who was convicted of, what was it, assault with a weapon?
is your hero?
Who will you deify next? An axe murdered?
>> So what you are really complaining about is that you don't want anyone else using "your" trails.
>
>This borders on a John B.ullshit response. Be careful I don’t treat you like I do him. The reasons why I don’t want bikes on trails is all here on this newsgroup. I am not going to go over and over old material for your benefit. Either get up to speed or get lost.
Nope, don't bother to go over it. Keep it a secret clutched to your
bosom.
After all if you were to actually divulge your secrets we'd all
discover that you have no reasons at all. Except "NO, NO, I won't have
it, I forbid you?". Sort of "you can't play with MY toys".
>
>Ed Dolan the Great – Minnesota
Of course "Great". Great Prevaricator.
--
cheers,
John B.
wrote:
>wrote in message news:4dbc59fe-884f-4e95...@googlegroups.com...
>[...]
>
>> After carefully trying to observe the "damage" that bikes cause I noted that the bikes cause the damage of smoothing out the rain ruts on soft ground and making no damage on hard ground except where kids on bike tried to jump logs laying across the trail from rain or wind fallen trees. It sure is terrible that a fallen tree can have chunks carved out of it by sprokets.
>
>I am not overly concerned about the damage that bikes do to trails. I suspect most damage is done to trails when bikes are ridden on wet surfaces. Mike Vandeman is the expert on that. I am concerned about the damage that mountain bikes do to the psyche of hikers.
is your hero?
Who will you deify next? An axe murdered?
>> So what you are really complaining about is that you don't want anyone else using "your" trails.
>
>This borders on a John B.ullshit response. Be careful I don’t treat you like I do him. The reasons why I don’t want bikes on trails is all here on this newsgroup. I am not going to go over and over old material for your benefit. Either get up to speed or get lost.
bosom.
After all if you were to actually divulge your secrets we'd all
discover that you have no reasons at all. Except "NO, NO, I won't have
it, I forbid you?". Sort of "you can't play with MY toys".
>
>Ed Dolan the Great – Minnesota
--
cheers,
John B.
John B.
Jun 11, 2016, 2:05:19 AM6/11/16
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On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:48:47 -0500, "EdwardDolan" <edo...@iw.net>
wrote:
But you, not being me, prefer curses and foul language. Yes Sir. A
true gentleman.
But then, tiny little boys valiantly defending their "turf", i.e., the
toy box, have been known to use bad language and in the old days got
their mouth washed out with soap and water to teach them not to talk
that way.
Apparently there was a shortage of soap at your house?
--
cheers,
John B.
wrote:
true gentleman.
But then, tiny little boys valiantly defending their "turf", i.e., the
toy box, have been known to use bad language and in the old days got
their mouth washed out with soap and water to teach them not to talk
that way.
Apparently there was a shortage of soap at your house?
--
cheers,
John B.
EdwardDolan
Jun 11, 2016, 2:19:04 AM6/11/16
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EdwardDolan
Jun 11, 2016, 2:21:03 AM6/11/16
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"John B." wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 15:00:48 -0500, "EdwardDolan" <edo...@iw.net>
wrote:
>wrote in message
>news:4dbc59fe-884f-4e95...@googlegroups.com...
>[...]
>
>> After carefully trying to observe the "damage" that bikes cause I noted
>> that the bikes cause the damage of smoothing out the rain ruts on soft
>> ground and making no damage on hard ground except where kids on bike
>> tried to jump logs laying across the trail from rain or wind fallen
>> trees. It sure is terrible that a fallen tree can have chunks carved out
>> of it by sprokets.
>
>I am not overly concerned about the damage that bikes do to trails. I
>suspect most damage is done to trails when bikes are ridden on wet
>surfaces. Mike Vandeman is the expert on that. I am concerned about the
>damage that mountain bikes do to the psyche of hikers.
Oh, a bloke who was convicted of, what was it, assault with a weapon?
is your hero?
Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!
exactly what I would have said too!
Who will you deify next? An axe murdered?
Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!
exactly what I would have said too!
>> So what you are really complaining about is that you don't want anyone
>> else using "your" trails.
>
>This borders on a John B.ullshit response. Be careful I don’t treat you
>like I do him. The reasons why I don’t want bikes on trails is all here on
>this newsgroup. I am not going to go over and over old material for your
>benefit. Either get up to speed or get lost.
Nope, don't bother to go over it. Keep it a secret clutched to your
bosom.
>> else using "your" trails.
>
>This borders on a John B.ullshit response. Be careful I don’t treat you
>like I do him. The reasons why I don’t want bikes on trails is all here on
>this newsgroup. I am not going to go over and over old material for your
>benefit. Either get up to speed or get lost.
Nope, don't bother to go over it. Keep it a secret clutched to your
bosom.
Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!
exactly what I would have said too!
After all if you were to actually divulge your secrets we'd all
discover that you have no reasons at all. Except "NO, NO, I won't have
it, I forbid you?". Sort of "you can't play with MY toys".
discover that you have no reasons at all. Except "NO, NO, I won't have
it, I forbid you?". Sort of "you can't play with MY toys".
EdwardDolan
Jun 11, 2016, 2:24:26 AM6/11/16
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"John B." wrote in message
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Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!
exactly what I would have said too!
I have the impression that it is more a matter of control, rather than
a logical decision. From all he writes, bicycles belong on the
highway, not in the woods, and he is not going to allow you to defile
"his" forests.
a logical decision. From all he writes, bicycles belong on the
highway, not in the woods, and he is not going to allow you to defile
"his" forests.
Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!
exactly what I would have said too!
And the fact that the Federal Government built most of what he is so
defensive of makes no difference at all.
defensive of makes no difference at all.
news16
Jun 11, 2016, 2:29:56 AM6/11/16
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Happy riding
EdwardDolan
Jun 11, 2016, 2:34:52 AM6/11/16
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John B.
Jun 11, 2016, 4:06:56 AM6/11/16
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On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 01:21:09 -0500, "EdwardDolan" <edo...@iw.net>
wrote:
An enlightening response.
It appears that, rather than a learned and thoughtful response setting
forth the reasons that bicycles must be banned from public property we
find that Dolan the Great has no considered response. In fact it
appears that he has no response at all except for curses and foul
language.
It sounds very like the little boy who shouts, "You can't play with my
toys" and asked "why", has no answer, except "They are mine and you
can't play with them".
In short, Dolan the Great really isn't.
"Dirty mouth Dolan" perhaps, or "Dolan the Foul" but certainly not
"Dolan the Great"..... unless "Dolan the Great Fool".
But certainly not Dolan the intelligent or Dolan the logical or Dolan
the well informed.
In short, just another loud mouth fool repeats the same "can't walk"
catechism over and over, apparently lacking the intelligence to make a
reasoned response.
--
cheers,
John B.
wrote:
It appears that, rather than a learned and thoughtful response setting
forth the reasons that bicycles must be banned from public property we
find that Dolan the Great has no considered response. In fact it
appears that he has no response at all except for curses and foul
language.
It sounds very like the little boy who shouts, "You can't play with my
toys" and asked "why", has no answer, except "They are mine and you
can't play with them".
In short, Dolan the Great really isn't.
"Dirty mouth Dolan" perhaps, or "Dolan the Foul" but certainly not
"Dolan the Great"..... unless "Dolan the Great Fool".
But certainly not Dolan the intelligent or Dolan the logical or Dolan
the well informed.
In short, just another loud mouth fool repeats the same "can't walk"
catechism over and over, apparently lacking the intelligence to make a
reasoned response.
--
cheers,
John B.
John B.
Jun 11, 2016, 4:11:55 AM6/11/16
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On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 01:19:10 -0500, "EdwardDolan" <edo...@iw.net>
By gorry Doodles but you are banging away on all cylinders... although
displaying a singularly limited conversational ability.
No imagination I suppose.
But, I notice that you are no longer "Dolan the Great". Come down a
notch or two on the old totem pole have you? what are you now? "Dolan
the Clown"?
--
cheers,
John B.
displaying a singularly limited conversational ability.
No imagination I suppose.
But, I notice that you are no longer "Dolan the Great". Come down a
notch or two on the old totem pole have you? what are you now? "Dolan
the Clown"?
--
cheers,
John B.
EdwardDolan
Jun 11, 2016, 6:02:08 AM6/11/16
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"John B." wrote in message
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Jesus Christ Almighty! If I were a jackass and an asshole like you, that is
exactly what I would have said too!
But, I notice that you are no longer "Dolan the Great". Come down a
notch or two on the old totem pole have you? what are you now? "Dolan
the Clown"?
notch or two on the old totem pole have you? what are you now? "Dolan
the Clown"?
EdwardDolan
Jun 11, 2016, 6:09:44 AM6/11/16
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> Otherwise, all you get is:
John B.
Jun 11, 2016, 6:20:23 AM6/11/16
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On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 05:02:14 -0500, "EdwardDolan" <edo...@iw.net>
But Dooley, you are doing just what we want you. You have given up
with the "I hate Bicycles" refrain and are now exhibiting your true
colors. Cyclists - 1, Dolan - 0
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cheers,
John B.
with the "I hate Bicycles" refrain and are now exhibiting your true
colors. Cyclists - 1, Dolan - 0
--
cheers,
John B.
John B.
Jun 11, 2016, 6:20:50 AM6/11/16
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